WEBVTT - The Dave Pasch Podcast - Daniel Jeremiah 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:05.000 Back to football this week on the Dave Pash Podcast. 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:08.080 It was great to catch up with JJ Reddick, podcaster 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:11.640 and ESPN NBA analysts talking about Duke's run to the 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:16.959 Final four playing for coach k the Sons, NBA Awards, 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:21.880 NBA postseason. But back to the gridiron with Daniel Jeremiah 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:26.120 from NFL Media. Daniel is an NFL Network analyst, host 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:29.640 of the Move the Sticks podcast along with Bucky Brooks, 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:34.120 and he's also the radio analyst for the Los Angeles Chargers. 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:38.160 DJ will dive in deep on who the Cardinals are 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:42.600 potentially looking at at number twenty three, who some players 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:45.120 are he thinks would be a great fit, whether the 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:50.159 Cardinals will focus on offense or defense at number twenty three. 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:52.279 Where you're picking, you're kind of at the mercy of 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:54.440 what falls you because the draft can go in so 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:57.720 many different directions. But I still think, you know, firepower 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:00.480 on offense. I think on the defensive side of the ball, 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:04.040 you know, just getting younger and more dynamic upfront. What 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:06.559 does he think of some of the other draft picks. 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:10.560 Does he like Aiden Hutchinson going number one to Jacksonville 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:13.440 or does he take the field, What about Kenny Pickett, 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:15.920 quarterback out of pit will he be the first quarterback 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:19.440 taken in the twenty twenty two NFL Draft, And does 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:22.760 he have a sleep a favorite player of his that 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:26.480 maybe won't go early in the draft, but that he 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.440 thinks will be an excellent NFL player down the road. 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:32.959 You can catch NFL Networks coverage and Daniel who will 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:36.200 be all over the airwaves during live coverage of the 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:39.559 twenty twenty two NFL Draft from Las Vegas April twenty 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:42.440 eight through the thirtieth. 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At twenty three 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.600 because last year in the middle of the first round, 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:26.600 the Cardinals had a player that they were hoping that 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:28.359 was going to be there that happened to be there 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:31.400 in Zavan Collins. Yeah, this year is a little bit 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.840 different because you really don't know who's gonna slide and 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:38.600 then maybe players that they have that might go early 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:40.480 second round, but they have a higher grade than other 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:42.840 teams that maybe they take at twenty three. What do 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:45.200 you think they're going to be looking for there? Well, 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:46.680 I think there's so many different ways you can go 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:49.160 and kind of you hit it where you're picking. You're 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:51.560 kind of at the mercy of what falls you because 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:53.440 the draft can go in so many different directions. But 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:56.720 I still think, you know, firepower on offense, you know, 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.520 trying to find another playmaker. It's a deep receiver group. 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:01.600 You can kind of play that out and see how 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:03.919 it goes. Sometimes when you have a good number of 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:07.320 whiteouts like we do, sometimes teams can be patient, which 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:09.519 then maybe you're sitting there on the clock and you've 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:11.679 got three or four guys you really liked, then you 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.120 can slide back and still get you know, whoever that 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.640 may be a trailing Burke's Jahan dots and you know, 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:18.960 whoever your flavor is that you like out of that group, 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:21.400 that's an option. And I think on the defensive side 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:23.880 of the ball, you know, just getting younger and more 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:27.640 dynamic upfront, trying to find guys that fit there. I 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:29.359 look at a guy just kind of knowing Steve over 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:32.040 the years. There are certain players you could see kind 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:34.600 of tickling his fancy And for some reason, I think 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:38.160 of a guy like Davante Wyatt, who's just ultra, ultra explosive, 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:41.280 a defensive tackle from Georgia. If somehow he were to 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:42.880 be in that mix there, I could see that that 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.880 being somebody he'd really like. What about a corner, because 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:50.040 that's a position of need. The Cardinals drafted Marco Wilson. 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.520 He played very well last year given where he was 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:55.960 picked and the fact he's a rookie, and Byron Murphy 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:59.680 played well, not all season, but a good part of 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.040 the seas and where you feel good about him. But 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:07.320 that's still a position that the Cardinals are looking to upgrade. Yeah, 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:09.960 there's gonna be guys there. I mean Andrew Booth, you know, 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.040 hasn't been you know, fully healthy to be able to 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:14.320 participate in everything in the spring out of Clemson, so 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:17.000 I think there's a chance he'll be there when they pick. 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:19.000 I mean, I look at Stingley is gonna be gone, 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:21.960 Sauce Gardener is gonna be gone, Trent McDuffie's gonna be gone. 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:24.320 So you think you take those guys out of the 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:26.719 mix there, but there'll still be some other intriguing names 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.720 that you could look at. Booth would probably be the 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:31.480 one if I'm kind of look at my list, who 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:34.640 would probably be right in that range. Kyer Elham, another 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:37.720 one out of Florida is somebody that's folks are on 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:39.280 the league a little bit higher on him than I am. 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.600 He's you know, big and fast, you know big, long 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:44.240 and fast. It was a little bit inconsistent for me, 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.479 but I know some teams have him in that late 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.080 one range. So that's another one you could keep an 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.480 eye on there. But again, I think they're in kind 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:53.360 of in a position where I don't feel like, can 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.039 you tell me covering the team, But I don't feel 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:59.280 like there's a gun to their head at any individual position. 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:01.359 They can line up with twenty two guys and play tomorrow. 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:04.080 So I don't know that there's that one position where 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:05.480 some of these teams, like you're like they don't have 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:07.520 a tackle, Like they can't line up and play tomorrow. 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:09.320 They kind of have to go in this direction. I 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.760 don't really get that sense with the Cardinals. I'm glad 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:13.279 you brought that up, because I didn't want to get 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.160 your sense of how you evaluate their offseason. I've been 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.080 telling this story to several people. I work a lot 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:21.120 of NBA games with. Hubie. Brown was eight years old 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:25.839 as besta for fifty years. Hubie tells this story of 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.640 He's an assistant coach with the Milwaukee Bucks in the 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:33.120 early seventies. Oscar Robertson is on the team. Kareem Abdul 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:37.560 Jabbar is a young champion. At that point, they just 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:40.600 won the championship. After that year, they had a year 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:43.839 where they lose in the playoffs. At that time, Larry 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:47.320 Costello was the head coach, the owner, Larry Costello, and Hubie. 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:49.640 Because then you only had one assistant, you didn't have 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.080 this whole staff, they go to Vegas, the three of 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:54.479 them to talk about the team and what to do 0:05:54.520 --> 0:06:00.440 in the offseason. Initially, everybody was traded except Kareem, but 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:03.279 then over time they met like day after day for 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:06.920 about four or five days. They didn't trade anybody. And 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.440 I compare that to the Cardinals a little bit because 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:11.320 I think initially the way they lost, the way they 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.960 closed the year, a lot of people are like, man, 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.520 you got a clean house. Well, the Cardinals just did 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.200 that a few years ago. They change coaching staffs. They 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:21.600 drafted a quarterback in the first round the year after 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:23.920 they drafted a quarterback in the first round. So I 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.320 think what that tells me is seven and oh is real. 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.520 Ten and two is real. To your point, you've got 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:33.440 twenty two guys you can line up and win. Maybe 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:35.839 you're not good enough to win a championship just yet 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:37.680 because you still need to add some pieces, but you're 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:39.800 good enough where you don't have to make drastic changes. 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.080 So based some of the Cardinals have done so far 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:46.840 in the offseason, DJ, how would you evaluate that? Well, 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:48.560 I think that's a great way to phrase it. I 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:51.400 love that background is the absolute best. I love listening 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:54.240 to you guys, man, But you know, I think it's 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:56.960 you want to use the early portion of the off season, 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:00.520 which is free agency, to eliminate those die or needs 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:02.320 that you have so that you can be nimble and 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.080 be flexible and take best player available. There's no worse 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:07.560 feeling in the world than to be sitting there on 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.440 draft day. And I've been in rooms like this where 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.280 you're like, man, we don't have a starting safety. So 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:15.800 whether we have to trade up to get one, or 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:17.720 whether we don't feel like there's value where we are, 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.200 we got to move back. But those you're sweating bullets 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.440 when you when you're in the draft room in that situation. 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:24.560 But that's why free agency helps to kind of fill 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:26.720 in those holes. They didn't really have that much to 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:31.720 do in terms of having acceptable level players at every position. 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.480 My challenge in this team kind of going forward, when 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:37.800 you look at the quarterbacks you're gonna have to play especially, 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:40.800 I mean, thankfully the NFC's is some of those guys 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.200 have left. But the quarterbacks you're gonna have to get 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.560 through to win a championship. You know. I know the 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.400 offense there with Kyler it can be explosive. They need more. 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:51.640 I just think they're gonna find there. You're gonna find 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:54.120 your way into some of those shootout games. And is 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:56.320 as good as this group is, I think they need 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.680 even more firepower than they have, and so that's a 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:01.520 playmaker in any form. You know, however, you can find that. 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:03.880 I don't think there's a you know, there's not a 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.240 tight end worth a late first round pick. To me, 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:08.360 I look at the running backs. There's a couple that 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:10.120 I like. If you wanted to trade back into the 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:12.360 top of two, you could add another player like a 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:15.360 Breece Hall, add even more firepower to that group. But 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:17.280 to me, the one that makes the most sense is 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:19.600 I think because of the quality of wide receivers in 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:21.320 this draft, I think they've had a chance to get 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.120 a real difference maker. I don't know that you can 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.560 have enough in terms of weapons right now the way 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:29.240 the league's playing. I had Ohio State this year and 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:33.960 they absolutely destroyed Indiana. It was a ABC primetime game 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:37.720 where they were just clicking, and those three receivers were 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.400 all phenomenal. Do you think any of those guys will 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.600 be available? Chris Olave and some of the mock drafts 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:47.400 has been there for the Cardinals at twenty three. You 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:49.760 mentioned a couple of the guys earlier, Johan Dotson. I'm 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:51.520 trying to remember who the other receiver was. The trailing 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:55.040 burs from Arkansas. Yeah, who do you think would best 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:59.520 fit what the Cardinals want to do? Well? To me, 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:02.880 the most intriguing one as Burke's because he gives them 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:05.559 a two hundred and twenty five pound guy that can 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:07.400 do a lot of the stuff that they do, you know, 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:08.920 in terms of getting the ball in his hands, let 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:10.440 him run after the catch, and it just gives them 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.920 a little bit of a different look than what they've had. 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.319 You know, guys, you watched Debo. You see him inside 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:17.400 the division, the ability to put him in the backfield, 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:19.440 do different things, get the ball out of your hand 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.360 quick and let guys make plays with the football. That's 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:24.960 what he does. And to me, it's just you know, 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:27.680 when I went back and looked at wideouts over the 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:30.240 last couple of years, and I've tried to find, you know, 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:31.920 what's that thing that they all have in common. The 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:35.640 top guys, the elite guys. You'll find all different play speeds, 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.640 you know, find all different sizes, but they all had 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:40.320 play strength. You know, when you kind of look at 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:42.200 those top guys over the last couple of years, look 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.120 at what Jamar Chase came into the league and did. 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:46.960 Obviously you see debo. You see a j. Brown, you 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:50.439 see DK in the division. These guys all are strong, 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.840 physical guys. Cooper Cup has incredible play strength and people 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.120 don't realize it's like two hundred and fifteen two hundred 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:59.280 and sixteen pounds. So adding a little bit even more 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.679 strength to that group to kind of compent what you 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:04.760 have there, get Dhot back healthy, you've got to speed 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.319 guy with Rondale Moore. I think that's kind of a 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:09.160 would be a fun ingredient for them to play with. 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:14.720 Cardinals resign to me, and if you ask Steve Kime, 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:18.960 he might agree. There are three top priorities zach Ertz, 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:23.640 James Connor, Cole McCoy because of how important Colt is, 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:27.839 Kyler and Christian Kirk gets a great contract. He was 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.480 on this podcast, and I know for him, while it 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.800 was probably hard to not win a championship here with 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.160 his hometown team, he was a Cardinal fan growing up. 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.680 He's getting an incredible opportunity, obviously with a ton of 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:44.240 money in Jacksonville. So a lot of fans here are like, Okay, well, 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:46.240 what are the Cardinals going to do now? To replace 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:48.120 They bring back Max Williams. Zach Ertz but what are 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:50.720 they going to do at receiver? And I keep saying, 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:54.200 let's not sleep on Rondale Moore another Cardinals drafted him 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.280 high last year's second round pick. He did not have 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:01.600 the production that I think people thought he was going 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:03.480 to have based on how the year started and what 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:06.920 we saw in camp. How would you grade his first 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:08.800 year and what did you think of him coming out? 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.720 Did you see him as a eight to ten year 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:16.079 NFL receiver that goes to the Pro Bowl a few times? Well, 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.080 I'm gonna I'm gonna actually look up to see exactly 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:19.880 where I had him, because I always it's always a 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:21.720 fun exercise for me to look back and see what 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.240 number I had him on. So I kind of keep 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.120 my little sequence list in here, and I'll pull up 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:29.040 my notes that I had on him as we entered 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:32.800 into the draft. So Rondell Hoore was my seventieth player. 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.480 So he was my seventieth player. I said he was 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.480 at his best in twenty eighteen. He's had injuries, He's 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.520 got big time stop start quickness, He's explosive, lots of 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.960 shovel passes, lots of quick hitters, really explosive in the 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:47.600 open field. I thought he was best as a catch 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:51.520 and run guy. So that was kind of my my expectation. 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:53.679 He went higher. I was what number pick was he? 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:55.640 Do you remember? Oh, I got on my head. I'm 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:58.920 trying to remember his early early second round. I can't remember. Yeah, 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:01.120 but yeah, yeah, he was right, he was. He went 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:03.000 a little bit higher than I had him. But I 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:05.240 would say kind of where I what my expectations were 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:07.200 and what he did probably matched up. You know, for 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:09.280 year one, him getting his feet wet in the NFL, 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:12.200 you saw some flashes. Just wasn't you know, as consistent 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.560 of a playmaker as you maybe want throughout the year. 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.160 But you know, to me, I think he's he's on 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.800 schedule for what he's going to be. I think he's 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.880 a unique player with his kind of size, speed, you know, 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.719 kind of a unique guy in that kind of compact package. 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:27.760 I remember during the draft process, I compared him to 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.400 Darren Sproles, like that's who he looks like when he's 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:33.280 moving out there in the open field. But you've got 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:34.920 to kind of create ways to get him the ball. 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:36.640 I did not think he was, you know, a pristine 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.319 route runner or anything like that. He's get the ball 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:41.520 in his hands, and that's where the fund starts. He 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:44.640 was picked forty nine, So okay, there you go, losing 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:48.560 Chandler Jones. Can you address that that late in the draft. 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:50.439 There've been plenty of guys who have been late first 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:54.360 round picks. Chandler Jones wasn't a high first round pick 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.559 and obviously has had a brilliant NFL career. Is that 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:00.480 something you see the Cardinals potentially addressing. Is there a 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.160 guy that could be their late first round or maybe 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:07.720 even because of a slower forty time or maybe the 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:09.880 height and weight aren't what everybody falls in love with, 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:11.840 might be a second round guy that could end up 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:14.840 having a really good NFL career as an edge guy. Yeah, 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:17.720 I mean I think there's depth in this group. Um, 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:20.199 you know, there's absolutely going to be one there when 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:22.880 they pick, because I've you know, I've tweeted out there 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:24.679 that there's twenty edge guys I like in the straft 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:26.600 and that's how deep it is. It really really goes 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:28.920 so um, you know, I look at a guy like 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:32.000 Arnold E. Vakatie from from Penn State, who's who's really 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:35.000 really explosive off the edge. He's kind of that compact build. 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:38.040 To me, he's like a you know from from having 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.760 watched Marcus Golden. To me, he's like a little more 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:42.959 souped up version of that, but just has a lot 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.120 of snap and a lot pop in his hands. He's 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:48.040 a really really good player. I think he's probably he's 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:51.640 probably gonna go, you know, mid twenties to mid thirties, 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:54.800 like in that range. Boye Mafe from from Minnesota's another 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:57.480 one really really you know, kind of twitched up. He's 0:13:57.480 --> 0:13:59.920 a little bit tight um, but he gives you kind 0:13:59.920 --> 0:14:02.560 of that fastball off the edge. In terms of that 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.560 body type of Chandler if you were looking for somebody 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:09.120 maybe outside the first round, you know, Drake Jackson from 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:13.120 from USC kind of has that real long limbed I 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.480 mean he's not as tall as Chandler, but really really long, 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:20.080 real smooth. Just was a little inconsistent for USC over 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.000 his career. But that's kind of more of a second 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.240 round type option that you could put in that mix. 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.200 So they'll, yeah, they're they're absolutely there's gonna have options 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.080 for edge rushers with their first pick. They're gonna have 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.760 options there with their second pick as well. Daniel, Let's 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:35.160 look at some of the other storylines around the NFL draft. 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:37.840 Do you think Aidan Hutchinson will go number one or 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:40.840 are you betting the field? Do you see somebody else 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:44.920 getting picked first by Jacksonville. I think it'll be him. 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.520 I know there's a lot of talk and about Trent 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:50.720 Balky being there, and Balky kind of connecting him with 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:54.040 his past with San Francisco and Alden Smith, And who's 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.200 the Alden Smith in this draft? Well, that's more Trayvon 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.240 Walker than it is Aiden Hutchinson. So there's been that 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.960 kind of plot floating around out there. I just look 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:05.120 at it from from up above and kind of looking 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.040 at the big picture of it, and I'm like, all 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.120 the chaos that this organization has been through in the 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:12.840 last year, don't you just want steady in the middle 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:16.800 of the fairway? You know, easy choice, Aiden Hutchinson. He 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:19.360 comes in clear packaging, Dave, you know exactly what you're 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:21.880 getting with him. So and I think that now, I 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:24.280 think it's it's a little disrespectful to say, oh, he's 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.080 a high floor player, which kind of insinuates this guy's 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:28.680 never going to have more than eight or nine sacks 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.240 in the NFL. Not he looks like when you look 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.480 at kind of his numbers, his measurables, how he moves, 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:35.920 there's a lot of Jared Allen, you know, to him. 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:37.920 So to me, I think that's kind of for me, 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:41.200 it's a no brainer. Um. I guess the still some 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.360 uncertainty of what they'll do, but I think that's where 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:46.560 they'll land. One of my favorite stories in this draft 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.720 is Kenny Pickett, the quarterback from pitt We had him 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:55.960 week two against Tennessee and meeting with Patton Ardoozy, Mark 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:59.040 Whipple at the time, the offensive coordinator whose son Spencer 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:01.960 you know big or to the Cardinals staff last year, Yeah, 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.760 and just how they raped. And we met with Kenny 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:07.880 as well and spoke to him for about fifteen minutes. 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:12.720 And they were surprised that he came back because they 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:14.720 thought he was going to be a second or third 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:17.520 round pick. And they thought, that's that's good. You should 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:21.080 you should do that. It's amazing. He's now potentially the 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:24.800 first quarterback taken. Is there a comp for him in 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:28.040 the NFL right now? Yeah? No, he's my top quarterback. 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:32.160 I think he's like my twenty fourth overall player. You know, 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.760 when you talk about comparisons, the first one that came 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.400 to mind actually was Hasselback. Like just watching him throw 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:39.560 the football, he reminded me of Matt, just how he 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:42.400 kind of moves around, and you know, you'd say Hasselbeck 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:44.360 has I would use the phrase kind of has enough 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.320 of everything, right, He's got enough arm strength, he's got 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.200 enough athleticism. I don't know that Matt was ever superior 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:51.600 in any of those areas, but he's above the line 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:53.520 and everything. And that's to me kind of like what 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:55.480 Kenny Pickett is. The other. If you're looking for somebody 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:57.240 that's on an NFL field right now, i'd say kind 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:00.520 of a Ryan Tannehill, you know, throw on the move. 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:04.520 He's good either way doing that. Everybody really enjoys enjoys 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:07.480 his company. That's one of the things that comes up 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:09.399 over and over again. I'm sure you've you've felt that 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:11.439 way just being around him. We talked to guys that 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.560 around him at the Manning camp. They say he was 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:15.240 kind of the pipe pipe or all the other college 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.119 quarterbacks wanted to be around him. Same thing at the 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:20.760 Senior Bowls, same thing at the Combine. So I kind 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:23.399 of look at the upside for him, is you know, 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:26.040 I you know, if you're looking at thirty two starting quarterbacks, 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:27.800 Dave I would say he's got a chance to be 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:31.399 a you know, the thirteenth, fourteenth best quarterback in the league. 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:33.360 You know, when he hits his stride and gets going, 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:35.760 you know. I think a Kirk Cousins is probably another 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:38.320 one that's probably in that range. You know, Kirk's never 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:40.120 gonna be a top five quarterback, but you can win 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.480 a lot of games with him. I think Kenny Pickett's 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:44.919 the same same type. We always we always talk on 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:48.679 the podcast about trucks and trailers. Right, there's maybe five 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:52.080 to six trucks in this league that are quarterbacks that 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:54.360 can literally pull the rest of the team along with him. 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:56.680 Everybody else is a trailer. You're kind of reluctant, you're 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:58.720 reliant on what's you know, kind of around you and 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.040 what's supporting you. That's what he's gonna be. I think 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:02.560 he's gonna be a trailer. Put him on a good 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.399 team with good players, and you'll win games. Do you 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:10.120 have a favorite sleeper player somebody that you absolutely love 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:13.040 that wherever this guy goes, whether he's a top ten 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:16.760 pick or late first or middle of the draft, guy 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.360 that you think is going to be a star. Yeah, 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:22.120 I wouldn't say a star on this one. But to me, 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:25.360 like John Metchi from Alabama who tore his ACL he's 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.640 like the forgotten wide receiver in this draft. But he's 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:32.879 a really really clean route runner. He catches everything, he's tough. 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:34.960 Just put him in the slot. You know. I talked 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:38.080 about that play strength. He's got excellent play strength. He's 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:40.160 gonna come into the league, he's gonna get he's gonna 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.000 be healthy. He's probably gonna go in the third round 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:45.480 coming off that injury. Man, he's gonna catch eighty five 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:47.720 balls every year for the next ten years. Like that, 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:49.919 to me is kind of one of those guys that 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:51.359