1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Back to football this week on the Dave Pash Podcast. 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: It was great to catch up with JJ Reddick, podcaster 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: and ESPN NBA analysts talking about Duke's run to the 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 1: Final four playing for coach k the Sons, NBA Awards, 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: NBA postseason. But back to the gridiron with Daniel Jeremiah 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: from NFL Media. Daniel is an NFL Network analyst, host 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: of the Move the Sticks podcast along with Bucky Brooks, 8 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: and he's also the radio analyst for the Los Angeles Chargers. 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: DJ will dive in deep on who the Cardinals are 10 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: potentially looking at at number twenty three, who some players 11 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: are he thinks would be a great fit, whether the 12 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: Cardinals will focus on offense or defense at number twenty three. 13 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,279 Speaker 1: Where you're picking, you're kind of at the mercy of 14 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: what falls you because the draft can go in so 15 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: many different directions. But I still think, you know, firepower 16 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: on offense. I think on the defensive side of the ball, 17 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: you know, just getting younger and more dynamic upfront. What 18 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,559 Speaker 1: does he think of some of the other draft picks. 19 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: Does he like Aiden Hutchinson going number one to Jacksonville 20 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: or does he take the field, What about Kenny Pickett, 21 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: quarterback out of pit will he be the first quarterback 22 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: taken in the twenty twenty two NFL Draft, And does 23 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: he have a sleep a favorite player of his that 24 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: maybe won't go early in the draft, but that he 25 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: thinks will be an excellent NFL player down the road. 26 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: You can catch NFL Networks coverage and Daniel who will 27 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: be all over the airwaves during live coverage of the 28 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,559 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two NFL Draft from Las Vegas April twenty 29 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: eight through the thirtieth. 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What do you think the 39 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: Cardinals are going to be looking for? At twenty three 40 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: because last year in the middle of the first round, 41 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: the Cardinals had a player that they were hoping that 42 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: was going to be there that happened to be there 43 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: in Zavan Collins. Yeah, this year is a little bit 44 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: different because you really don't know who's gonna slide and 45 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: then maybe players that they have that might go early 46 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: second round, but they have a higher grade than other 47 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: teams that maybe they take at twenty three. What do 48 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: you think they're going to be looking for there? Well, 49 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: I think there's so many different ways you can go 50 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: and kind of you hit it where you're picking. You're 51 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: kind of at the mercy of what falls you because 52 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: the draft can go in so many different directions. But 53 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: I still think, you know, firepower on offense, you know, 54 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: trying to find another playmaker. It's a deep receiver group. 55 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: You can kind of play that out and see how 56 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: it goes. Sometimes when you have a good number of 57 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: whiteouts like we do, sometimes teams can be patient, which 58 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 1: then maybe you're sitting there on the clock and you've 59 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 1: got three or four guys you really liked, then you 60 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: can slide back and still get you know, whoever that 61 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: may be a trailing Burke's Jahan dots and you know, 62 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: whoever your flavor is that you like out of that group, 63 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: that's an option. And I think on the defensive side 64 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: of the ball, you know, just getting younger and more 65 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: dynamic upfront, trying to find guys that fit there. I 66 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: look at a guy just kind of knowing Steve over 67 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: the years. There are certain players you could see kind 68 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: of tickling his fancy And for some reason, I think 69 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: of a guy like Davante Wyatt, who's just ultra, ultra explosive, 70 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: a defensive tackle from Georgia. If somehow he were to 71 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: be in that mix there, I could see that that 72 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: being somebody he'd really like. What about a corner, because 73 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: that's a position of need. The Cardinals drafted Marco Wilson. 74 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: He played very well last year given where he was 75 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: picked and the fact he's a rookie, and Byron Murphy 76 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: played well, not all season, but a good part of 77 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: the seas and where you feel good about him. But 78 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: that's still a position that the Cardinals are looking to upgrade. Yeah, 79 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: there's gonna be guys there. I mean Andrew Booth, you know, 80 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: hasn't been you know, fully healthy to be able to 81 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: participate in everything in the spring out of Clemson, so 82 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: I think there's a chance he'll be there when they pick. 83 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I look at Stingley is gonna be gone, 84 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: Sauce Gardener is gonna be gone, Trent McDuffie's gonna be gone. 85 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: So you think you take those guys out of the 86 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: mix there, but there'll still be some other intriguing names 87 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: that you could look at. Booth would probably be the 88 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: one if I'm kind of look at my list, who 89 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: would probably be right in that range. Kyer Elham, another 90 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: one out of Florida is somebody that's folks are on 91 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: the league a little bit higher on him than I am. 92 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: He's you know, big and fast, you know big, long 93 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: and fast. It was a little bit inconsistent for me, 94 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: but I know some teams have him in that late 95 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: one range. So that's another one you could keep an 96 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: eye on there. But again, I think they're in kind 97 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: of in a position where I don't feel like, can 98 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: you tell me covering the team, But I don't feel 99 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: like there's a gun to their head at any individual position. 100 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 1: They can line up with twenty two guys and play tomorrow. 101 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: So I don't know that there's that one position where 102 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: some of these teams, like you're like they don't have 103 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: a tackle, Like they can't line up and play tomorrow. 104 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: They kind of have to go in this direction. I 105 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: don't really get that sense with the Cardinals. I'm glad 106 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: you brought that up, because I didn't want to get 107 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: your sense of how you evaluate their offseason. I've been 108 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: telling this story to several people. I work a lot 109 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: of NBA games with. Hubie. Brown was eight years old 110 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: as besta for fifty years. Hubie tells this story of 111 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: He's an assistant coach with the Milwaukee Bucks in the 112 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: early seventies. Oscar Robertson is on the team. Kareem Abdul 113 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: Jabbar is a young champion. At that point, they just 114 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: won the championship. After that year, they had a year 115 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: where they lose in the playoffs. At that time, Larry 116 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: Costello was the head coach, the owner, Larry Costello, and Hubie. 117 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: Because then you only had one assistant, you didn't have 118 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: this whole staff, they go to Vegas, the three of 119 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: them to talk about the team and what to do 120 00:05:54,520 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: in the offseason. Initially, everybody was traded except Kareem, but 121 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: then over time they met like day after day for 122 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: about four or five days. They didn't trade anybody. And 123 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: I compare that to the Cardinals a little bit because 124 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: I think initially the way they lost, the way they 125 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: closed the year, a lot of people are like, man, 126 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: you got a clean house. Well, the Cardinals just did 127 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: that a few years ago. They change coaching staffs. They 128 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: drafted a quarterback in the first round the year after 129 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: they drafted a quarterback in the first round. So I 130 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: think what that tells me is seven and oh is real. 131 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: Ten and two is real. To your point, you've got 132 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: twenty two guys you can line up and win. Maybe 133 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: you're not good enough to win a championship just yet 134 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: because you still need to add some pieces, but you're 135 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: good enough where you don't have to make drastic changes. 136 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: So based some of the Cardinals have done so far 137 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: in the offseason, DJ, how would you evaluate that? Well, 138 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: I think that's a great way to phrase it. I 139 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: love that background is the absolute best. I love listening 140 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: to you guys, man, But you know, I think it's 141 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: you want to use the early portion of the off season, 142 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: which is free agency, to eliminate those die or needs 143 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: that you have so that you can be nimble and 144 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: be flexible and take best player available. There's no worse 145 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: feeling in the world than to be sitting there on 146 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: draft day. And I've been in rooms like this where 147 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: you're like, man, we don't have a starting safety. So 148 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: whether we have to trade up to get one, or 149 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: whether we don't feel like there's value where we are, 150 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: we got to move back. But those you're sweating bullets 151 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: when you when you're in the draft room in that situation. 152 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: But that's why free agency helps to kind of fill 153 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: in those holes. They didn't really have that much to 154 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: do in terms of having acceptable level players at every position. 155 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: My challenge in this team kind of going forward, when 156 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: you look at the quarterbacks you're gonna have to play especially, 157 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: I mean, thankfully the NFC's is some of those guys 158 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: have left. But the quarterbacks you're gonna have to get 159 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: through to win a championship. You know. I know the 160 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: offense there with Kyler it can be explosive. They need more. 161 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: I just think they're gonna find there. You're gonna find 162 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: your way into some of those shootout games. And is 163 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: as good as this group is, I think they need 164 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: even more firepower than they have, and so that's a 165 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: playmaker in any form. You know, however, you can find that. 166 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: I don't think there's a you know, there's not a 167 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: tight end worth a late first round pick. To me, 168 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: I look at the running backs. There's a couple that 169 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: I like. If you wanted to trade back into the 170 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: top of two, you could add another player like a 171 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: Breece Hall, add even more firepower to that group. But 172 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: to me, the one that makes the most sense is 173 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: I think because of the quality of wide receivers in 174 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: this draft, I think they've had a chance to get 175 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: a real difference maker. I don't know that you can 176 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: have enough in terms of weapons right now the way 177 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: the league's playing. I had Ohio State this year and 178 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: they absolutely destroyed Indiana. It was a ABC primetime game 179 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: where they were just clicking, and those three receivers were 180 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: all phenomenal. Do you think any of those guys will 181 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: be available? Chris Olave and some of the mock drafts 182 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: has been there for the Cardinals at twenty three. You 183 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: mentioned a couple of the guys earlier, Johan Dotson. I'm 184 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: trying to remember who the other receiver was. The trailing 185 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: burs from Arkansas. Yeah, who do you think would best 186 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: fit what the Cardinals want to do? Well? To me, 187 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: the most intriguing one as Burke's because he gives them 188 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: a two hundred and twenty five pound guy that can 189 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: do a lot of the stuff that they do, you know, 190 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: in terms of getting the ball in his hands, let 191 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: him run after the catch, and it just gives them 192 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: a little bit of a different look than what they've had. 193 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: You know, guys, you watched Debo. You see him inside 194 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: the division, the ability to put him in the backfield, 195 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: do different things, get the ball out of your hand 196 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: quick and let guys make plays with the football. That's 197 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: what he does. And to me, it's just you know, 198 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: when I went back and looked at wideouts over the 199 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: last couple of years, and I've tried to find, you know, 200 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: what's that thing that they all have in common. The 201 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: top guys, the elite guys. You'll find all different play speeds, 202 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: you know, find all different sizes, but they all had 203 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: play strength. You know, when you kind of look at 204 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: those top guys over the last couple of years, look 205 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: at what Jamar Chase came into the league and did. 206 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: Obviously you see debo. You see a j. Brown, you 207 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 1: see DK in the division. These guys all are strong, 208 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: physical guys. Cooper Cup has incredible play strength and people 209 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: don't realize it's like two hundred and fifteen two hundred 210 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: and sixteen pounds. So adding a little bit even more 211 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: strength to that group to kind of compent what you 212 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: have there, get Dhot back healthy, you've got to speed 213 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 1: guy with Rondale Moore. I think that's kind of a 214 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: would be a fun ingredient for them to play with. 215 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: Cardinals resign to me, and if you ask Steve Kime, 216 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: he might agree. There are three top priorities zach Ertz, 217 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: James Connor, Cole McCoy because of how important Colt is, 218 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 1: Kyler and Christian Kirk gets a great contract. He was 219 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: on this podcast, and I know for him, while it 220 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: was probably hard to not win a championship here with 221 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: his hometown team, he was a Cardinal fan growing up. 222 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: He's getting an incredible opportunity, obviously with a ton of 223 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: money in Jacksonville. So a lot of fans here are like, Okay, well, 224 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: what are the Cardinals going to do now? To replace 225 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: They bring back Max Williams. Zach Ertz but what are 226 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: they going to do at receiver? And I keep saying, 227 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: let's not sleep on Rondale Moore another Cardinals drafted him 228 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: high last year's second round pick. He did not have 229 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: the production that I think people thought he was going 230 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: to have based on how the year started and what 231 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: we saw in camp. How would you grade his first 232 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: year and what did you think of him coming out? 233 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: Did you see him as a eight to ten year 234 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: NFL receiver that goes to the Pro Bowl a few times? Well, 235 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna actually look up to see exactly 236 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: where I had him, because I always it's always a 237 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: fun exercise for me to look back and see what 238 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: number I had him on. So I kind of keep 239 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: my little sequence list in here, and I'll pull up 240 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: my notes that I had on him as we entered 241 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: into the draft. So Rondell Hoore was my seventieth player. 242 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: So he was my seventieth player. I said he was 243 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: at his best in twenty eighteen. He's had injuries, He's 244 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: got big time stop start quickness, He's explosive, lots of 245 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: shovel passes, lots of quick hitters, really explosive in the 246 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: open field. I thought he was best as a catch 247 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: and run guy. So that was kind of my my expectation. 248 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: He went higher. I was what number pick was he? 249 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: Do you remember? Oh, I got on my head. I'm 250 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: trying to remember his early early second round. I can't remember. Yeah, 251 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, he was right, he was. He went 252 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: a little bit higher than I had him. But I 253 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: would say kind of where I what my expectations were 254 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: and what he did probably matched up. You know, for 255 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: year one, him getting his feet wet in the NFL, 256 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: you saw some flashes. Just wasn't you know, as consistent 257 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: of a playmaker as you maybe want throughout the year. 258 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: But you know, to me, I think he's he's on 259 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: schedule for what he's going to be. I think he's 260 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: a unique player with his kind of size, speed, you know, 261 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,719 Speaker 1: kind of a unique guy in that kind of compact package. 262 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: I remember during the draft process, I compared him to 263 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: Darren Sproles, like that's who he looks like when he's 264 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: moving out there in the open field. But you've got 265 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: to kind of create ways to get him the ball. 266 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: I did not think he was, you know, a pristine 267 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: route runner or anything like that. He's get the ball 268 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: in his hands, and that's where the fund starts. He 269 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: was picked forty nine, So okay, there you go, losing 270 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones. Can you address that that late in the draft. 271 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 1: There've been plenty of guys who have been late first 272 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: round picks. Chandler Jones wasn't a high first round pick 273 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: and obviously has had a brilliant NFL career. Is that 274 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: something you see the Cardinals potentially addressing. Is there a 275 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: guy that could be their late first round or maybe 276 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: even because of a slower forty time or maybe the 277 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: height and weight aren't what everybody falls in love with, 278 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: might be a second round guy that could end up 279 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: having a really good NFL career as an edge guy. Yeah, 280 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: I mean I think there's depth in this group. Um, 281 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 1: you know, there's absolutely going to be one there when 282 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: they pick, because I've you know, I've tweeted out there 283 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: that there's twenty edge guys I like in the straft 284 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: and that's how deep it is. It really really goes 285 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: so um, you know, I look at a guy like 286 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: Arnold E. Vakatie from from Penn State, who's who's really 287 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: really explosive off the edge. He's kind of that compact build. 288 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: To me, he's like a you know from from having 289 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: watched Marcus Golden. To me, he's like a little more 290 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 1: souped up version of that, but just has a lot 291 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: of snap and a lot pop in his hands. He's 292 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: a really really good player. I think he's probably he's 293 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: probably gonna go, you know, mid twenties to mid thirties, 294 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: like in that range. Boye Mafe from from Minnesota's another 295 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: one really really you know, kind of twitched up. He's 296 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: a little bit tight um, but he gives you kind 297 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: of that fastball off the edge. In terms of that 298 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: body type of Chandler if you were looking for somebody 299 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: maybe outside the first round, you know, Drake Jackson from 300 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: from USC kind of has that real long limbed I 301 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: mean he's not as tall as Chandler, but really really long, 302 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: real smooth. Just was a little inconsistent for USC over 303 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: his career. But that's kind of more of a second 304 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: round type option that you could put in that mix. 305 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: So they'll, yeah, they're they're absolutely there's gonna have options 306 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: for edge rushers with their first pick. They're gonna have 307 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: options there with their second pick as well. Daniel, Let's 308 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: look at some of the other storylines around the NFL draft. 309 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: Do you think Aidan Hutchinson will go number one or 310 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: are you betting the field? Do you see somebody else 311 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: getting picked first by Jacksonville. I think it'll be him. 312 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of talk and about Trent 313 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: Balky being there, and Balky kind of connecting him with 314 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: his past with San Francisco and Alden Smith, And who's 315 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: the Alden Smith in this draft? Well, that's more Trayvon 316 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: Walker than it is Aiden Hutchinson. So there's been that 317 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: kind of plot floating around out there. I just look 318 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: at it from from up above and kind of looking 319 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: at the big picture of it, and I'm like, all 320 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: the chaos that this organization has been through in the 321 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: last year, don't you just want steady in the middle 322 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: of the fairway? You know, easy choice, Aiden Hutchinson. He 323 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: comes in clear packaging, Dave, you know exactly what you're 324 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: getting with him. So and I think that now, I 325 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: think it's it's a little disrespectful to say, oh, he's 326 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: a high floor player, which kind of insinuates this guy's 327 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: never going to have more than eight or nine sacks 328 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Not he looks like when you look 329 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: at kind of his numbers, his measurables, how he moves, 330 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: there's a lot of Jared Allen, you know, to him. 331 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: So to me, I think that's kind of for me, 332 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: it's a no brainer. Um. I guess the still some 333 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: uncertainty of what they'll do, but I think that's where 334 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: they'll land. One of my favorite stories in this draft 335 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: is Kenny Pickett, the quarterback from pitt We had him 336 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: week two against Tennessee and meeting with Patton Ardoozy, Mark 337 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: Whipple at the time, the offensive coordinator whose son Spencer 338 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: you know big or to the Cardinals staff last year, Yeah, 339 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: and just how they raped. And we met with Kenny 340 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: as well and spoke to him for about fifteen minutes. 341 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: And they were surprised that he came back because they 342 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: thought he was going to be a second or third 343 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: round pick. And they thought, that's that's good. You should 344 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: you should do that. It's amazing. He's now potentially the 345 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: first quarterback taken. Is there a comp for him in 346 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: the NFL right now? Yeah? No, he's my top quarterback. 347 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: I think he's like my twenty fourth overall player. You know, 348 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: when you talk about comparisons, the first one that came 349 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: to mind actually was Hasselback. Like just watching him throw 350 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: the football, he reminded me of Matt, just how he 351 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: kind of moves around, and you know, you'd say Hasselbeck 352 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: has I would use the phrase kind of has enough 353 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: of everything, right, He's got enough arm strength, he's got 354 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: enough athleticism. I don't know that Matt was ever superior 355 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: in any of those areas, but he's above the line 356 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: and everything. And that's to me kind of like what 357 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett is. The other. If you're looking for somebody 358 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: that's on an NFL field right now, i'd say kind 359 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: of a Ryan Tannehill, you know, throw on the move. 360 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: He's good either way doing that. Everybody really enjoys enjoys 361 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: his company. That's one of the things that comes up 362 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: over and over again. I'm sure you've you've felt that 363 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 1: way just being around him. We talked to guys that 364 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: around him at the Manning camp. They say he was 365 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: kind of the pipe pipe or all the other college 366 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: quarterbacks wanted to be around him. Same thing at the 367 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: Senior Bowls, same thing at the Combine. So I kind 368 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: of look at the upside for him, is you know, 369 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: I you know, if you're looking at thirty two starting quarterbacks, 370 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: Dave I would say he's got a chance to be 371 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: a you know, the thirteenth, fourteenth best quarterback in the league. 372 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 1: You know, when he hits his stride and gets going, 373 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: you know. I think a Kirk Cousins is probably another 374 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: one that's probably in that range. You know, Kirk's never 375 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: gonna be a top five quarterback, but you can win 376 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: a lot of games with him. I think Kenny Pickett's 377 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: the same same type. We always we always talk on 378 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: the podcast about trucks and trailers. Right, there's maybe five 379 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: to six trucks in this league that are quarterbacks that 380 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 1: can literally pull the rest of the team along with him. 381 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: Everybody else is a trailer. You're kind of reluctant, you're 382 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: reliant on what's you know, kind of around you and 383 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: what's supporting you. That's what he's gonna be. I think 384 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: he's gonna be a trailer. Put him on a good 385 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: team with good players, and you'll win games. Do you 386 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: have a favorite sleeper player somebody that you absolutely love 387 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: that wherever this guy goes, whether he's a top ten 388 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: pick or late first or middle of the draft, guy 389 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 1: that you think is going to be a star. Yeah, 390 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say a star on this one. But to me, 391 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 1: like John Metchi from Alabama who tore his ACL he's 392 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: like the forgotten wide receiver in this draft. But he's 393 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: a really really clean route runner. He catches everything, he's tough. 394 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: Just put him in the slot. You know. I talked 395 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: about that play strength. He's got excellent play strength. He's 396 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: gonna come into the league, he's gonna get he's gonna 397 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: be healthy. He's probably gonna go in the third round 398 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: coming off that injury. Man, he's gonna catch eighty five 399 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: balls every year for the next ten years. Like that, 400 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: to me is kind of one of those guys that 401 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: if you're in the in the room, you kind of 402 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: just highlight him and say, Okay, that's that's one we'd 403 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: like to get into the fold. You do a lot 404 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: of work for the Chargers. Are you enjoying that? By 405 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: the way, do you enjoy because you do such a 406 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: great job, you know on your podcast or just analyzing 407 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: draft picks, But in terms of calling games, are you 408 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: enjoying that? And what's it like to cover Justin Herbert 409 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 1: every week? Well, it's a it's a friendly reminder of 410 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: how you didn't grade him properly. I get reminded of 411 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 1: that twenty times a year, So that's a unique experience 412 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: as somebody who does personnel. But he's been Yeah, it's 413 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: been great, man, And you you know what, there's of 414 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: all the different things I've got to do that that 415 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,239 Speaker 1: might be my favorite. It's just because the spontaneity of 416 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 1: it and the excitement. There's there's fans, it's being in 417 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: the studio and you know that's fun. The draft is 418 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: pretty killer, you know when we get when we took 419 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: that thing on the road and now you get hundreds 420 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: of thousands of people out there, that's a pretty cool rush. 421 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 1: But being inside the stadium um and getting a chance 422 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: to you know, see a really entertaining team with with 423 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: Herbert and and Derwin, James and Bosa that the division 424 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: is going to be killer um for these next few 425 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 1: years here when you've gotten Mahomes and you know the 426 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: Raiders have loaded up as well, the Broncos get Russell Wilson. 427 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: So I'm fired up for it. It's a lot of 428 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: fun working with Matt's the best um. You know, you 429 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: would know better than anybody the importance of just having 430 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: somebody you enjoyed being around. Um and Mats match really good, 431 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: and then we also just have a great time together 432 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: on the road, so it's yeah, it's been a lot 433 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: of fun. I've been trying to replace Wolf for almost 434 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: twenty years now. It still hasn't worked, so I think 435 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: I think we're stuck now. That's my favorite part of 436 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: the preseason, by the way, is when I get I 437 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: get into a hotel because usually it's like a Charger 438 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 1: Road game, so I get into the hotel. Yeah, I'm 439 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: usually kind of working on something. I've got the game 440 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: on in the background, and as soon as I hear Wolfee, 441 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that's distinguishable. You never have to wonder 442 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: who's playing on the TV when you hear the voice 443 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: come out there. I love it. It's great to watch 444 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: how people respond when he's on TV in preseason that 445 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: don't listen to Cardinal games during the year, and they're like, 446 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: who is this guy? Yea, everybody thinks he's Putty from 447 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: from Seinfeld. Everybody compares him to the voice of Elaine's 448 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: boyfriend from Seinfeld. It's Twitter hits it every time every year. 449 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 1: It's amazing. Oh, it's so good. Look, I know you've 450 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: told this story before, and I don't know if there's 451 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: you know, a different aspect to it that maybe you 452 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: haven't talked about publicly. But I'm curious, how did you 453 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: get to how did you get started with this? You know, 454 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 1: I grew up a lot of times listen, I knew 455 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,479 Speaker 1: your name just listening to your dad, who's a famous 456 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: Christian author and speaker, and it written a lot of books. 457 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: How did you get into this? You know, why did 458 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: you get into this? And are you surprised that where 459 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: it's taken you? Yeah, you know it's a total it's 460 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: a total god thing because I couldn't have scripted it 461 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: or planned it the way that it happened. You know, 462 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: I grew up and I was always I was always 463 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: a kind of a draft junkie, as somebody who played 464 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: you know, high school and college football, was always into 465 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: the draft. Didn't know exactly how I could ever work 466 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: in the field associated with it, but I just was 467 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: interested in and always loved it. Um my dad, as 468 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: you mentioned as a pastor, so during the Super Bowl 469 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety seven, Chris Mortenson from ESPN, listening to 470 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: my dad on the radio, every day, and so during 471 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: that Super Bowl, there was two weeks, you know, between 472 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,719 Speaker 1: the conference championship game the Super Bowl. So he on 473 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: that Sunday between went to my dad's church and wanted 474 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: to introduce himself. So went to introduced himself to my dad. 475 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: I was so this would have been my freshman year 476 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: of college. I was home during that time during the break. 477 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: I went home for lunch after church, and Chris Mortenson's 478 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: in my family room. My dad had invited him up 479 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: to lunch. So that's how I met mort and we 480 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: struck up a friendship. He was so generous with me, 481 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: you know, took me to media day and met Reggie White, 482 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 1: and you know, that was kind of my first introduction 483 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 1: to that. So we had that friendship kind of developed. 484 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: So then you kind of fast forward. I go, when 485 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: I'm playing at Appalachian State in my final year, my 486 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: senior year, I tear my mcl and the opener against 487 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 1: Wake Forest so kind of basically kind of ruined my 488 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: whole senior year of football. But in what would have 489 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: been maybe a frustrating thing, and this is a long 490 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: winded answer, but I go, I'm in the training room 491 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: getting treatment. Would have never been in there at this time, 492 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: if I didn't have his knee injury. My brother's college 493 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: roommate he played with at Liberty. It was a scout 494 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: for the Ravens and he was going through, you know, 495 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: scouting some of our NFL guys, of which I was not. 496 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: So he comes into the to the training room. He 497 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: recognizes me as his roommate's a little brother who he 498 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: hasn't seen in six years, comes over and starts talking 499 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: to me. So we kind of connect. So then that 500 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: was kind of a god thing how that timing happened. Well, 501 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: I ended up after college through Chris, I end up 502 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 1: getting on as a production assistant with Sunday Night Football. Um, 503 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: so I'm traveling around with them. I was the E 504 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: m G producer and I was the spotter up in 505 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,719 Speaker 1: the booth and so we're doing a Ravens game and 506 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: I ran into my brother's roommate again in that press box, 507 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: and then he induced me to Phil Savage, who was 508 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: the director of player personnel, asked if I'd be interested 509 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: in scouting. Had never thought about it in a million years, 510 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: So interviewed with them, got on there, and that kind 511 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: of started me down down the personnel path, which again 512 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: the personnel then eventually led me to the TV path. 513 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: So I could have never known that Chris Mornson was 514 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: going to come to my dad's church. I could have 515 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: never known I was going to get hurt, which would 516 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: lead me to meet my brother's roommate in the training room. This, 517 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: all these factors came together, and that's you know, that's 518 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: just kind of God guiding your life and taking you 519 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: where you could never imagine you could go. Well, it's 520 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: a great testimony, it's a great story. You do such 521 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 1: a great job on all the platforms, whether it's on television, 522 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: the podcast, the Chargers broadcast. Really enjoy your work, Daniel, 523 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for spending some time with us. Well, 524 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: it's a pleasure, is all mine to get a chance 525 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: to visit with you. You know, we've had a chance 526 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: to visit over the years. You know how much I 527 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: admire respect the work that you do. There's nobody better, 528 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: my friend. Thanks, DJ, appreciate it. Man. So, Daniel Jeremiah 529 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: thinks the Cardinals will likely go offense in this draft. 530 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: He did mention potentially the Cardinals looking at the defensive 531 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: line at number twenty three, but he expects the Cardinals 532 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: to continue to load up in terms of adding weapons 533 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: to Kyler Murray's arsenal, as the expectation is especially in 534 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: the NFC West, even though Russell Wilson's no longer in 535 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: the division. With the forty nine ers and the potent 536 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: Rams offense, the Cardinals are going to have to score 537 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: points to win the division. He does think Aiden Hutchinson 538 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: out of Michigan will go number one to Jacksonville, that 539 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: that's the safest pick for the Jaguars at number one, 540 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: and he has Kenny Pickett out of pit as his 541 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: number one quarterback. I also love Daniel's story just on 542 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: how he got into this to begin with, from growing 543 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: up in a Christian home with his dad being a 544 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: pastor a famous author as well, and the connection to 545 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: Chris Mortenson and how that turned into Daniel getting an 546 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: opportunity eventually in scouting and now he is all over 547 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: NFL Network and you can catch Daniel live coverage of 548 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: the NFL Draft from Las Vegas April twenty eight through thirtieth. 549 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: Daniel be on a number of NFL media platforms discussing 550 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: the draft. He's also host of the Move the Sticks 551 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: podcast along with Bucky Brooks. Great to talk to DJ 552 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: get his perspective on the Cardinals, their off season, and 553 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: look ahead to the twenty twenty two NFL Draft. Can't 554 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: wait for April twenty eight through the thirtieth to catch 555 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 1: Daniel on NFL Network and also to see what the 556 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 1: Cardinals do with their first round selection. We are presented 557 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: by bet MGM, the official sports betting partner of the 558 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, and by HeLa River Hotels and Casinos. Thanks 559 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: again to you for listening to another edition of the 560 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: Dave Cash Podcast.