WEBVTT - June Pro Golf Check-In: U.S. Women’s Open, Scottie’s One Win, & the Fitzpatrick Brothers

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<v Speaker 1>I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset.

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<v Speaker 2>When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I find my ball.

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<v Speaker 4>Lie, I'm about ready to run off the golf course.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome back to the Friday E Golf Podcast Today. I

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<v Speaker 4>am excited to be joined by Joseph Lamanya and Kevin

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<v Speaker 4>van Valkenberg to just.

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<v Speaker 2>Do our monthly check in.

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<v Speaker 4>We've got the US Open Hurdling Down Memorial coming up

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<v Speaker 4>as well as the US Women's Open at Riviera, so

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<v Speaker 4>that should be actually a super fun event for the

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<v Speaker 4>Women's Open.

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the.

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<v Speaker 4>Neat things about that is that golf fans general familiarity

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<v Speaker 4>with Riviera from their hosting of every year's LA Open,

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<v Speaker 4>but seeing a completely different style of golf being played

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<v Speaker 4>on a very familiar course. I'm really looking forward to

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<v Speaker 4>locking in on that this week for the US Women's Open.

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<v Speaker 4>Lots of coverage of that on Golf Channel. So I

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<v Speaker 4>am joined by Joseph and Kevin. We're going to kind

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<v Speaker 4>of break down three storylines that we have enjoyed and

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<v Speaker 4>hope keep going. One thing that we're going we would

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<v Speaker 4>love to change if we were the golf Szar. This

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<v Speaker 4>goes back to I think that Kevin and I did

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<v Speaker 4>probably about five years ago, six years ago, a golf

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<v Speaker 4>are the golfs are?

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<v Speaker 4>get to Joseph and Kevin uh boys, Welcome on.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Doing, Eddy, I'm doing great. It's you know, it's June.

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<v Speaker 5>It's in that sweet spot in Baltimore where the humidity

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<v Speaker 5>hasn't arrived to sort of just absolutely murder you.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's it's lovely. The pollen is fine.

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<v Speaker 5>I played golf yesterday, played really bad, but the lovely

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<v Speaker 5>walk around Falls Road down there in Montgomery County with

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<v Speaker 5>some friends.

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<v Speaker 6>That's great.

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<v Speaker 3>That's great, doing great, Andy. This is one of my

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<v Speaker 3>favorite times of the year. You know, we've got NBA

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<v Speaker 3>Finals and playoffs kind of wrapping up. I think the

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<v Speaker 3>golf calendar. I love the little Colonial into Memorial stretch

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<v Speaker 3>and then the US Open also right. I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to be disrespectful to the Canadian Open that's in there too,

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<v Speaker 3>but this is a nice little run of golf, and

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<v Speaker 3>as you mentioned, the women playing at Riviera this week,

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<v Speaker 3>so I think the golf tank is full as we

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<v Speaker 3>record this podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think there's anyone, including Jack Nicholas, that loves

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<v Speaker 4>the Memorial more than you.

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<v Speaker 2>So I am.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I've got I've been on a little golf hiatus.

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<v Speaker 4>I have some golf coming back into my life soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excited. I'm going to Abandon Dunes.

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<v Speaker 4>I've decided I'm going to play Hickory the whole time there.

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<v Speaker 4>So I've decided that I am I'm kind of done

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<v Speaker 4>with modern technology for a while, Uh, which I tend

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<v Speaker 4>to do. So I'm gonna play real golf with with

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<v Speaker 4>the Hickory's.

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<v Speaker 1>Will you play it? Like all the way back? What was?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you choose what tea is there?

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<v Speaker 4>Part of the reason I've wanted to do the Hickory

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<v Speaker 4>is so we're doing a Friday golf trip so that

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<v Speaker 4>I just can play with everybody there at the same

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<v Speaker 4>roughly the same tea box and and not be just

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<v Speaker 4>hitting wedges into every green.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 4>I you know, I played, Uh, I played a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of months ago when we were in Scotland with Hickory's

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<v Speaker 4>on the old course, and it's just so much more fun.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, the hazards have so much more impact. You're

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<v Speaker 4>actually thinking about like, Okay, I'm need to get this

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<v Speaker 4>over here because I won't have a wedge with the

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<v Speaker 4>supreme stopping power in my hands to just make the

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<v Speaker 4>hazard irrelevant. So I'm excited about that. I'm uh I

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<v Speaker 4>and that'll carry us right into the US Open.

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<v Speaker 5>So i'd have I might have seen you hit one

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<v Speaker 5>of the greatest shots that I've ever seen hit with

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<v Speaker 5>a hickory club, which was and into that eatinghole. Was like,

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<v Speaker 5>and you hit a click, like just just a beautiful

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<v Speaker 5>baby draw two about four feet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I forgot about that shot.

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<v Speaker 1>I might have.

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<v Speaker 5>I might have texted a professional golfer that we both know,

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<v Speaker 5>and it was like, Andie will not brag about this,

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<v Speaker 5>so I want you to give him some ship next

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<v Speaker 5>time you see HI about how freaking good this was.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that was one of the better shots in my life.

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<v Speaker 4>Honestly it was. Yeah, it was like the four iron

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<v Speaker 4>I think was. Yeah, I'm glad I remembered it since

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<v Speaker 4>you apparently forgot it. So I don't remember really any shots.

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<v Speaker 4>It's you know, I mostly I'm you know, probably what

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<v Speaker 4>you could say is my issue on the golf courses.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember all the bad ones. I don't remember any

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<v Speaker 4>of the good ones. I remember heading good drive into

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<v Speaker 4>the Admiral Bunker on the reverse course and then having

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<v Speaker 4>to like shovel a ball out because I was so

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<v Speaker 4>far up on the web.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really the only shot I remember from that, Right.

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<v Speaker 6>You're kind of like Paul Aisinger.

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<v Speaker 3>How Paul Asinger would always talk about pressure, and sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>you'd make the point I think appropriately on the pod

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<v Speaker 3>like that seems to be a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 3>window into the way Paul Aisinger thinks that, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe he was always dealing with pressure, and you always

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<v Speaker 3>talk a scar tissue and the spots that guys don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to go on golf courses. It sounds like that

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<v Speaker 3>might just be a reflection of the way you experienced

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<v Speaker 3>the game.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh yeah, yeah, I would say that negative self talk

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<v Speaker 4>is an issue on the golf course as well as

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<v Speaker 4>life for me. So I always am amazed at I've

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<v Speaker 4>always I've told this story before. I was at the

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<v Speaker 4>John Deere one year and d eight Points came off

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<v Speaker 4>the golf course after shooting seventy six, and we had

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<v Speaker 4>a mutual friend and I was with that that person

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<v Speaker 4>and Da Points comes up, I mean, everybody shooting sixty seven,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, and Da comes up and he's you know,

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<v Speaker 4>obviously with someone he's really comfortable with and he's like,

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<v Speaker 4>can you believe all the bad breaks I got? I

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<v Speaker 4>mean a sprinkler out here, this there, And I just

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<v Speaker 4>like watched in Marvel as this guy explained away like

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<v Speaker 4>how he shot seventy six, And I thought to myself,

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<v Speaker 4>if I would have walked off that golf course and

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<v Speaker 4>been like just like so disappointed with myself. But he

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<v Speaker 4>had literally like a misgiving for every shot and he,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, he in his mind, should have shot sixty eight.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like, that's the difference between you know,

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<v Speaker 4>many there are many things that are different, but that's

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<v Speaker 4>one of the biggest differences, is like I just can't

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<v Speaker 4>get rid of It's it's interesting you tell you like

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<v Speaker 4>the sports psychologist KVB. You just did a Q and

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<v Speaker 4>A with Julie Alion, a famous sports psychologist. But you

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<v Speaker 4>know they talk about staying in the present, and honestly,

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<v Speaker 4>like I've said this to some people recently, I am

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<v Speaker 4>a better golfer today than I was, but I'm worse

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<v Speaker 4>at everything, every skill of golf. I'm a worst potter

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<v Speaker 4>of worst short game. I might be a better short

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<v Speaker 4>game player, I have a worst iron player or worst

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<v Speaker 4>driver of the golf ball. But literally the only thing

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<v Speaker 4>I'm better at, and I think it's because of kids,

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<v Speaker 4>is like just like not getting bent out of shape

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<v Speaker 4>about a mistake. And it's because like you literally just

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<v Speaker 4>you know, with a young child, just sit and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>have to clean up shit all the time. Like things

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<v Speaker 4>never go the way you wanted to go.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't think Da Points mentioned ten minutes into this

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<v Speaker 3>episode of the Frida Egg Pod, We're already off to

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<v Speaker 3>a hot start.

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<v Speaker 2>The Da Points thing like it's burned. I'll never forget it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, I mean he got lapped by the field

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<v Speaker 4>and it came off the golf course and it was

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<v Speaker 4>like he acted like he played the round of the day,

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<v Speaker 4>but he just got bad breaks all day.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like this is just this guy.

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<v Speaker 4>Lives in a completely different universe than me on the

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<v Speaker 4>golf course. And that's probably why I'm not very good.

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<v Speaker 5>Listen, I would love to I've gotten a little better,

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<v Speaker 5>I would say negative self talking the last year or so,

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<v Speaker 5>I finally just realized, like, yeah, you're just bad at golf,

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<v Speaker 5>like but that's okay, Like enjoy it and like you

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<v Speaker 5>don't have to throw a tantrum about you know, not

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<v Speaker 5>being whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm handing up wet up yesterday and I was.

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<v Speaker 5>Like, that's good, Like I kind of you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>i gonna get a for more strokes when I go

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<v Speaker 5>play a member guest somewhere. It's you know what, I'd

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<v Speaker 5>say this to people that struggle. Everybody sucks, you know it,

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<v Speaker 5>And I think it's part.

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<v Speaker 4>Of like what we did one of the things that's

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<v Speaker 4>nice if you can, you know, keep the perspective as

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<v Speaker 4>a as a journalist when you interact with these PGA

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<v Speaker 4>tour players, Like some of them will come off the

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<v Speaker 4>course and be like, I just suck right now. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not good, and you're like in your head, you're like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>you're like the fifteenth best player in the world and

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<v Speaker 4>you're saying this and it's like twenty five handicaps. They'll

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<v Speaker 4>be like, I'm not very good, and it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>news flash, like nobody thinks they're actually good.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good chipping there you go.

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<v Speaker 5>It's good segue in a couple of my guys that

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<v Speaker 5>we're going to discuss today about.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start with the limits open.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's give it a shine riviera, let's do let's each

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<v Speaker 4>knock out one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>We're looking forward to in particular at Riviera.

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<v Speaker 6>Go ahead, Kevin, I'm just.

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<v Speaker 5>Really looking forward to to seeing Nelly Corda like on

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<v Speaker 5>another classic American golf course, like the best driver of

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<v Speaker 5>the golf ball in the game sort of maybe figured

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<v Speaker 5>out US opened a little bit at Aaron Hill's last

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<v Speaker 5>year was has been particularly bad in US opens for

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<v Speaker 5>as talented as she is, And to me, that's just

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<v Speaker 5>like the lead story. If Nelly could come in and

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<v Speaker 5>win this major, I think it would mean such a

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<v Speaker 5>huge thing for like her personal legacy and career already

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<v Speaker 5>and you know whatever, I'm getting a little bit bored

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<v Speaker 5>of like the grow the game, boost the game.

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<v Speaker 1>What does Nelly need to do.

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<v Speaker 5>For this and that I think that's all kind of

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<v Speaker 5>sort of a little bit of nonsense in some ways,

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<v Speaker 5>but just for her own like, hey, I'm I'm the

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<v Speaker 5>real deal, Like I'm one of the great players of

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<v Speaker 5>this era or maybe any era.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that would be be huge.

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<v Speaker 4>Just for casual women's golf fans or people that haven't

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<v Speaker 4>tuned in to women's golf. This year, Nelly Korda is

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<v Speaker 4>having a absolutely sensational year. Her finishes in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 4>six and her star Star first, second, second, second, first, first.

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<v Speaker 1>And T eight.

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<v Speaker 4>So T eight is her worst start of the year.

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<v Speaker 4>Pretty incredible, obviously. I yeah, Joseph, I'd.

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<v Speaker 2>Love to hear yours and then I can go into mind.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm kind of switching mind in real time here because

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<v Speaker 3>I think Nelly Korda is the most interesting story. And

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<v Speaker 3>part of what I'm excited to watch about her play

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<v Speaker 3>is that Riviera is a weird golf course. I love Riviera,

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<v Speaker 3>but it for a lot of the best players in

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<v Speaker 3>the world, they have trouble with it, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's hard to capture exactly why, Like I have some theories,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think it's just a funky golf course that

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<v Speaker 3>even some of the best players in the world, they

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<v Speaker 3>get there, everything looks fine, but then they just struggle.

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<v Speaker 3>And you see it was Scottie Shaffler. Tigers struggles there

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<v Speaker 3>are well documented, I think maybe overstated at times because

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<v Speaker 3>he didn't always play there that often. But I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>excited to see if the best player in the world,

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<v Speaker 3>Nelly Korda, can get it done, or does she similarly

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<v Speaker 3>kind of get spooked by a golf course that just

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<v Speaker 3>challenges people in different ways than they're used to, like

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<v Speaker 3>part of what I think happens at Riviera, and I

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<v Speaker 3>need to I would need to look into this a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit more, but I feel like, yes, the greens

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<v Speaker 3>are bunky and a little bit different than people are

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<v Speaker 3>accustomed to putting on, and they can get a little rough.

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<v Speaker 6>By the end of the day, they break a lot.

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<v Speaker 6>But I also think there's a lot of.

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<v Speaker 3>Shots for being pin high isn't good enough, and that

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<v Speaker 3>if you're just a little off you're so used to

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<v Speaker 3>on the PGA Tour and presumably on the LPGA Tour too,

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<v Speaker 3>that shot being okay, and it's not at Riviera. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>ten's obviously an example example that quirkiness kind of turned

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<v Speaker 3>up all the way to the max. But there's a

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<v Speaker 3>number of other holes where you can hit something pin

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<v Speaker 3>high in eighteen feet left of the flag, towards the

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<v Speaker 3>fat side of the green and it's not in a

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<v Speaker 3>good spot. And I just don't think that's something that

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of professional golfers are used to. So I'm

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<v Speaker 3>interested to watch Nellie navigate that puzzle.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, what I think it is is that older

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<v Speaker 4>golf courses have a lot more slope in the greens,

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<v Speaker 4>and what you end up oftentimes when you're pin high.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that you end up with that twenty foot putt

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just.

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<v Speaker 4>That one that you're afraid of ripping away from you

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<v Speaker 4>as it gets past the hole where it's like you

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<v Speaker 4>have to play so much break that the putt then

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<v Speaker 4>turns into this downhill ripping away putt when it's going

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<v Speaker 4>to the hole. So then it what you end up

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<v Speaker 4>doing is you end up being afraid of like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>this is gonna roll five feet by, but it's like

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<v Speaker 4>five feet straight up the hill, but you're still anxious

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<v Speaker 4>about It's the only time when there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>slope in the greens, it's the time, especially with pros,

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<v Speaker 4>where you get psychologically. What I think what pro golfers

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<v Speaker 4>are so great at when I watch them putt is

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<v Speaker 4>the pace and the authority that they hit it with

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<v Speaker 4>is so clearly I'm not even thinking about the next putt.

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<v Speaker 4>But when there's slope on the greens and they start

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<v Speaker 4>to see, okay, this can run away from me six

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<v Speaker 4>seven feet, that's the time it psychologically gets in their

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<v Speaker 4>head that creates doubt and then it leads to I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't hit it hard enough, and now I have the

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<v Speaker 4>three and a half footer that I have a cup

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<v Speaker 4>of break on. So it's like that combination of like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>this result's bad, but actually the not committing to it

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<v Speaker 4>result could be worse. And now, like every statistician is

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<v Speaker 4>gonna be like, oh, you make X number of putts

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<v Speaker 4>more from three feet than from five and a half feet.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think if you talk to like almost every pro,

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<v Speaker 4>if you gave them just a dead street five and

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<v Speaker 4>a half footer up the hill versus a heavily breaking

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<v Speaker 4>three and a half footer, they're taking the five footer

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<v Speaker 4>up the hill. I mean that's like sitting on a

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<v Speaker 4>practice mat or your perfect practice mat in your house

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<v Speaker 4>just knocking down putt after putt, you know, versus a

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<v Speaker 4>putt where you're like, okay, I have to marry break

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<v Speaker 4>and speed. So I think that's the thing. It's like

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<v Speaker 4>most I would say golf courses that the LPGA and

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<v Speaker 4>the PGA Tour plays play on is in the kind

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<v Speaker 4>of in the era of green speed, you know, outside

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<v Speaker 4>the classics. It's like this era of like green speeds

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<v Speaker 4>are this so we can't have this much break but

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<v Speaker 4>all the classic golf courses have that much break that

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<v Speaker 4>they don't allow architects to build with. You know, modern

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<v Speaker 4>society has caused this, but that's the difference I think.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think Nelly's very much going back to her

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<v Speaker 5>just for at quick sec like a vibes putter in

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of ways too. If she misses a couple early,

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<v Speaker 5>that's starts to kort of frustrate her and get in

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<v Speaker 5>her head. But if she just you know, makes a

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<v Speaker 5>few shorties like early, it starts to kind of build

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<v Speaker 5>confidence and she is much less like sort of tentative

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<v Speaker 5>around stuff. So we'll be watching, you know, Thursday, just

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<v Speaker 5>to see, like, can she just get off to a

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<v Speaker 5>good start and shoot, you know, seventy sixty nine somewhere

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<v Speaker 5>in there and kind of make the beginning part of

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<v Speaker 5>the tournament and be like, all right, I'm already ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Of like where things are. I don't have to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of make some furious rally to make the cut.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean getting off, getting off on your front foot.

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<v Speaker 4>As Paul McGinley would say, it's just such an important thing,

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<v Speaker 4>you see it with every major.

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<v Speaker 1>Showing tremendous metal out there. Nuddie carter I.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing I'm most excited about is.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we is we always talk about Riviera with

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<v Speaker 4>the men and like what an architectural wonder, what a

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<v Speaker 4>strategic golf course, and you know when it's when it's

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<v Speaker 4>playing firm for the men, it has a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>implications of like if you're out of position, it's hard

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<v Speaker 4>to hit it close, it's hard to score. I think

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<v Speaker 4>like we're actually gonna see how the strategy was played,

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<v Speaker 4>it was designed to play this week. In some regards,

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<v Speaker 4>I think the Kakuia approaches are going to be a

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<v Speaker 4>huge problem. I'm just gonna put that out there now.

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<v Speaker 4>They're they're gonna there's gonna be complaints. The greens are firm,

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<v Speaker 4>the approaches don't release or don't like allow the ball

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<v Speaker 4>to bounce in, So that's gonna be an issue. But

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<v Speaker 4>that being said, like we're gonna actually get to see

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<v Speaker 4>decision making and strategy on the tenth hole. It's not

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<v Speaker 4>just a uniform strategy of like blasted left the green

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<v Speaker 4>and figure it out. Some of the longer hitters, uh

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<v Speaker 4>and the women's game will be able to do that,

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<v Speaker 4>but most players are gonna have to hit the approach

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<v Speaker 4>shot and thread it between the bunkers, avoid the right side,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's gonna be really fun to watch a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of the holes play out. Mech Alway and Meg Atkins

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<v Speaker 4>from our team did a wonderful video which I would

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<v Speaker 4>implore everybody to go watch on our YouTube page that

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<v Speaker 4>broke down a few of the holes at Riviera. And

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<v Speaker 4>and what's the neat about it is it's like kind

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<v Speaker 4>of actually more how the normal golfer plays rivi Era.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just bashlor driver up there.

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<v Speaker 4>Like particularly the eighth hole, the split fairway hole, we're

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<v Speaker 4>gonna see people go right and left. You know, modern

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<v Speaker 4>men's game is all left right and and it's a

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<v Speaker 4>really it'll be a neat dynamic in the sense of

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<v Speaker 4>like we're going to see these holes played wildly different

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<v Speaker 4>than we're used to.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm I'm really excited about that.

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<v Speaker 4>Like the fifth hole, to me, would be one that

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<v Speaker 4>I would park myself on just because you know, you're

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<v Speaker 4>gonna have like a that missing right off the tee,

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<v Speaker 4>not missing, but hitting it up the right side and

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<v Speaker 4>having to play over the mound with a longer club

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<v Speaker 4>is going to have a lot more more implication than

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<v Speaker 4>in the men's game where it's a wedge, it should

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<v Speaker 4>be super fun to watch. I think, like I think,

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<v Speaker 4>given everybody's familiarity, Like you know, Riviera is a great

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<v Speaker 4>venue for the for for this kind of tournament. Another

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<v Speaker 4>it made me think, like another venue i'd love to

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<v Speaker 4>see the women play a huge event at is TPC

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<v Speaker 4>saw Grass. That would be so fun because like what

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<v Speaker 4>you're tapping into is familiarity, Like everybody always goes, Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>Women's Major should be at Augusta National. Why don't we

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<v Speaker 4>have a women's Major at TPC Sawgrass.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's a great idea, like a Solheim Cup.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, Well the PG Tour probably would charge too

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<v Speaker 4>much rent for their strategic partner.

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<v Speaker 6>That would be incredible.

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<v Speaker 5>If you're listening, Brian roll Up, this would be huge,

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<v Speaker 5>be huge for ratings, huge for the for the overall game.

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<v Speaker 5>You could get it sponsored by some AI bullshit like

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<v Speaker 5>be awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, let's get to storylines.

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<v Speaker 4>So these are like, yeah, the premise of this is

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<v Speaker 4>these are three kind of like drawn out stories or

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<v Speaker 4>stories that are happening in golf that we'd love to

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<v Speaker 4>see continue on the path for a given period of time,

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<v Speaker 4>and and and we could kind of dive into each

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<v Speaker 4>one that we picked out and and why we want

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<v Speaker 4>to see it continue.

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<v Speaker 2>Who wants to go first here?

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<v Speaker 6>Kevin?

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead? Oh all right.

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<v Speaker 5>Look I The Tommy Fleetwood thing has has been such

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<v Speaker 5>a kind of running storyline throughout the last like four

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<v Speaker 5>or five years of like, oh, Tommy's such a big

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<v Speaker 5>loved player. Tommy's like finally going to make the leap.

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<v Speaker 5>Tommy's like the nicest guy in golf, the best guy

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<v Speaker 5>without a major. We're coming back to Birkedale now, coming up.

0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:54.760
<v Speaker 5>Tommy grew up in the area. You know, we used

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<v Speaker 5>to play sneak Over and play Birkedale a little bit

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<v Speaker 5>from Southport. If you look at the results this year,

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<v Speaker 5>Tommy's kind of regressed just a hair. He's about half

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<v Speaker 5>a stroke worse than he was last year when it

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<v Speaker 5>seemed like he was kind of making the leap. I

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<v Speaker 5>really wonder if the clock is sort of ticking on

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<v Speaker 5>that moment where we ask ourselves like what can Tommy be?

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<v Speaker 5>And we asked shifted to what could of Tommy have been?

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<v Speaker 5>Like is Tommy sort of the you know, he's not

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<v Speaker 5>as good as Monty, but like the manty like guy

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<v Speaker 5>who just never quite won a major, the guy who

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<v Speaker 5>never really made the leap, And I think it's going

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<v Speaker 5>to be like the results in the Majors earlier this year,

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<v Speaker 5>not great miss cut, the PGA was not a factor

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<v Speaker 5>in the Masters. What is Tommy Fleetwood at this point

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<v Speaker 5>in twenty twenty six. I think it's a really interesting question,

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<v Speaker 5>And there's going to be obviously like a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>you know, hometown model buzz, like when he returns to

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<v Speaker 5>Birkdale and if it doesn't happen there, like, is that

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<v Speaker 5>the point where the inflection point goes the other direction?

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<v Speaker 5>Like man, Tommy, he could sure hit the ball, but

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<v Speaker 5>he never quite did it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think again, Tommy's season has not been a disaster.

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<v Speaker 3>He had some decent finishes, some top tens. I still

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<v Speaker 3>think Fleetwood has probably been one of the biggest disappointments

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<v Speaker 3>of twenty twenty six. And if you were to I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, I don't know him off the top of

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<v Speaker 3>my head. If you're to rank the top five disappointers

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<v Speaker 3>this year, I think Tommy Fleetwood deserves a.

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<v Speaker 6>Spot in that top five.

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<v Speaker 3>He was playing really, really good golf at the end

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<v Speaker 3>of last year. You can make a case whatever second

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<v Speaker 3>best player in the world, third best player in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>But the putting, it just hasn't been as good this year.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a great, great putter last year. And if

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to give up some distance to the field

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<v Speaker 3>and struggle with the putter a little bit, then he

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<v Speaker 3>can compete like I think Shinnecock, Kevin, you're talking about Birkdale,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know Shinnecock is another golf course that Tommy

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<v Speaker 3>played really well last time. He does have two pretty

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<v Speaker 3>good cracks coming up over the summer. I think you're

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<v Speaker 3>right that if he doesn't get it, if he does

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<v Speaker 3>not even in the mix in either of those two,

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<v Speaker 3>then I don't think you can take Tommy seriously as

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<v Speaker 3>one of the top players in the world looking ahead

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<v Speaker 3>to the next couple of years. Great player, sure, staple

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<v Speaker 3>of a Ryder Cup team, sure, but as somebody that

0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:21.560
<v Speaker 3>you think about as one of the five to seven

0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:25.120
<v Speaker 3>real real threats at a major championship. I do think

0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:28.359
<v Speaker 3>that's sort of being taken to task over the summer.

0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:32.159
<v Speaker 4>The last time he finished in the top ten at

0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:35.880
<v Speaker 4>a major was the twenty twenty four Masters, so he's

0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:43.320
<v Speaker 4>been relatively not a factor at the last nine major championships. Now,

0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:48.440
<v Speaker 4>I think, Joseph, you make some good points, but I

0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:54.280
<v Speaker 4>would like for normal people, and this is kind of

0:24:54.440 --> 0:25:01.920
<v Speaker 4>like non Rory rom Scheffler with Stan. I think for

0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:05.360
<v Speaker 4>normal PGA Tour players, your game comes and goes in waves,

0:25:05.520 --> 0:25:10.080
<v Speaker 4>and you have hot streaks and cold streaks, and you

0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:14.320
<v Speaker 4>know there are just like everything just doesn't click together

0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:19.359
<v Speaker 4>all the time, and you're for you know, for most people,

0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:26.320
<v Speaker 4>these shortcomings, they're shortcomings. And what you illuminated Joseph giving

0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:29.480
<v Speaker 4>up distance off the tee and if you have a

0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:32.560
<v Speaker 4>cold putter, you're just not going to play that high

0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:37.920
<v Speaker 4>level golf, right, So you're just more susceptible when you

0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:40.359
<v Speaker 4>have you know, like I think outside, you know, you

0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:43.440
<v Speaker 4>go down the list of players and outside of probably

0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:47.879
<v Speaker 4>three players, four players in the game, everybody has weaknesses

0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:53.760
<v Speaker 4>and when in the what makes those players so great

0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:57.760
<v Speaker 4>is that they can two aspects of their game can

0:25:57.800 --> 0:26:02.080
<v Speaker 4>be below average, below their normal standard, and still they

0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:05.440
<v Speaker 4>can still play well, you know, because they have some

0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:11.679
<v Speaker 4>overwhelming skills that are just you know, transcendent. And with Tommy,

0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:14.119
<v Speaker 4>you know, the iron play is the only thing I

0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:20.000
<v Speaker 4>would say that is like a overwhelming skill driving accuracy,

0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:25.879
<v Speaker 4>but that driving accuracy matched with below average distance, it

0:26:26.080 --> 0:26:28.720
<v Speaker 4>makes him a good driver of the golf ball, not

0:26:28.880 --> 0:26:32.120
<v Speaker 4>a great driver of the golf ball. Whereas you look

0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:36.359
<v Speaker 4>at somebody like, you know, Scottie matches more distance with

0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:42.439
<v Speaker 4>similar accuracy. He has a transcendent iron player, transcendent around

0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:45.680
<v Speaker 4>the greens, and it's like, oh, he putted bad, but

0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:47.920
<v Speaker 4>he's still finished second. It's like, well that, yeah, that

0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:50.639
<v Speaker 4>makes sense. He had an off week putting and iron

0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:54.080
<v Speaker 4>play and he's still finished sixth, like because his other

0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:57.640
<v Speaker 4>skills are so overwhelming, you know, And I think that's

0:26:57.720 --> 0:27:00.360
<v Speaker 4>like the thing. It's it's funny with like the Russ

0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:05.080
<v Speaker 4>Henley when this week, Joseph, you're a big Russ fan.

0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:08.360
<v Speaker 4>I actually like the more I dove in. I'm kind

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:11.480
<v Speaker 4>of bullish on Russ in majors. Like you said, I

0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:13.680
<v Speaker 4>I was just giving you a lot of grief in

0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:14.879
<v Speaker 4>a group text.

0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:18.400
<v Speaker 2>But one of the things with Russ is like everything

0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:19.119
<v Speaker 2>has to click.

0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:23.480
<v Speaker 4>Like his overwhelming his attributes that are like really plus

0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:28.000
<v Speaker 4>are obviously accuracy, iron play, and then like the putter

0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:32.359
<v Speaker 4>can get really hot. But it's just everything has to work,

0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:37.040
<v Speaker 4>and so rarely in golf, everything is clicking, and that's

0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:40.080
<v Speaker 4>like the the I think, like we have these like

0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 4>peaks and valleys with so many players and that's just

0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:47.120
<v Speaker 4>golf in a nutshell.

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:47.520
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:50.280
<v Speaker 4>And we've said this before, but it mirrors life right

0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:55.080
<v Speaker 4>where like you're very rarely it's you know, the exceptional

0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:58.399
<v Speaker 4>talent of the game. I think make make look at

0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:02.359
<v Speaker 4>contending so much easier than it actually is.

0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:08.119
<v Speaker 3>But I think, isn't that the point that Tommy. I

0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:10.080
<v Speaker 3>think we maybe this is where Kevin's coming from. I

0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:11.399
<v Speaker 3>don't want to put ones in his mouth, but we

0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:15.120
<v Speaker 3>might have thought Tommy could have a year to eighteenth

0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:17.879
<v Speaker 3>month stretch where you're saying, take out the greats of

0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:20.199
<v Speaker 3>the game Scotti, Ram and Rory, and I think, at

0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:22.360
<v Speaker 3>least for me, it's like, well, I thought Tommy could

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 3>have a short stretch where he is one of the

0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:26.479
<v Speaker 3>greats and he is winning. He's not as good as

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:29.200
<v Speaker 3>Scotty and Rory and Ram, but I thought maybe we

0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:31.240
<v Speaker 3>could see a two year stretch where Tommy plays like

0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:33.960
<v Speaker 3>a top five player in the world. I hear your point,

0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:35.360
<v Speaker 3>and I agree with it, but I think I'm still

0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:37.880
<v Speaker 3>disappointed that on the heels of a really hot season,

0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:38.880
<v Speaker 3>where he was in form.

0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 6>We haven't seen much of that carry into this year.

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 6>He hasn't been terrible, but go ahead, Kevin.

0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:46.440
<v Speaker 5>I just think it's like a little bit of expectations.

0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:49.840
<v Speaker 5>Right once you play great, those expectations come. I mean,

0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:52.000
<v Speaker 5>I was just looking up as we're chatting, like a

0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:54.800
<v Speaker 5>story that I wrote from Chinnakok the last time the

0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:57.560
<v Speaker 5>US Open was there and he finished, you know, shot

0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:01.120
<v Speaker 5>sixty three and he had three hours essentially to sit

0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:03.760
<v Speaker 5>around and see like whether that mattered, and the whole

0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:06.360
<v Speaker 5>story is framed is like is this Tommy's like coming

0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:09.640
<v Speaker 5>out party? Like has he finally arrived as being the

0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:13.560
<v Speaker 5>next you know, like great European player, And all those

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:17.240
<v Speaker 5>questions still sort of exist like eight years later, which

0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:19.040
<v Speaker 5>just kind of makes you laugh and think about like

0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:21.960
<v Speaker 5>the narrative has been here all this time.

0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:24.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, man, this dude hits the ball so good.

0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:27.280
<v Speaker 5>It seems like we're always just on the cusp of

0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:31.960
<v Speaker 5>like getting over and having that you know, transcendent, you know,

0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:36.120
<v Speaker 5>career defining victory. And I don't know, I just I

0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:39.760
<v Speaker 5>feel I think we all like Tommy as a player,

0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:43.200
<v Speaker 5>Like everybody loves him as a person. He's such a

0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:45.880
<v Speaker 5>warm kind of like fun most Like we talked about

0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:47.360
<v Speaker 5>Aaron Raye being one of the most liked guys in

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:51.120
<v Speaker 5>the game. Tommy Fleetwood's like probably right there. I don't know,

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 5>I mean it just are we ever going to experience

0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:57.320
<v Speaker 5>majors again where the old guy kind of breaks through

0:29:57.520 --> 0:30:00.760
<v Speaker 5>after never having done it before, The Marko era, the

0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:03.360
<v Speaker 5>Darren Clark, like that era might be kind of gone

0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 5>from golf in some ways because it's been a long

0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:09.760
<v Speaker 5>time since one of those guys broke through.

0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:13.080
<v Speaker 3>What JJ spon, I mean, Russell, you're Fleewood's thirty five

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 3>spawn was thirty four last year when he won.

0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:18.880
<v Speaker 5>I think that's a little different in that, Like Markomra

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:20.760
<v Speaker 5>was one of the best players in the game, like

0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:23.560
<v Speaker 5>in his prime, so was Darren Clark.

0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:26.800
<v Speaker 1>Certainly we all expected Monty to do it.

0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:29.880
<v Speaker 5>Jj'spond was like a guy who's that's more in the

0:30:29.960 --> 0:30:32.520
<v Speaker 5>line of like the Ben Curtis, the White Yang, like, oh,

0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:36.320
<v Speaker 5>like this guy won wow. Like I just don't know,

0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:38.200
<v Speaker 5>Like there comes a point when you're in your forties

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:39.640
<v Speaker 5>where it's like, yeah, that guy's not going to win

0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 5>a major.

0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:43.080
<v Speaker 4>I think I wonder that's one of my favorite stories

0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 4>is the guy that like, you know, has these expectations

0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:51.760
<v Speaker 4>early and it's like, oh, you know, so and so

0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:55.560
<v Speaker 4>is going to win, it's not when it's how many

0:30:56.960 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 4>and then they they're close for so many years and

0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 4>then you get to the the arc in the story

0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 4>where it's like, I don't think it's ever going to happen,

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 4>and I think you've I think this is what resonated

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:10.880
<v Speaker 4>with the Rory Masters, when so much is that we

0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:14.720
<v Speaker 4>had this exact arc and so like to your point

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:16.480
<v Speaker 4>of like are we ever going to get one? I

0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:18.880
<v Speaker 4>think we just got one with Rory because it got

0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:21.040
<v Speaker 4>to the point where like is he ever going to

0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:24.440
<v Speaker 4>do this again? Was very similar to how you felt

0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:28.160
<v Speaker 4>about Sergio how you felt about Adam Scott, like I

0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 4>don't know if he's ever going to put this together,

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:35.440
<v Speaker 4>like given how many, how many heartbreaks they've been But yeah, Tommy,

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:38.200
<v Speaker 4>I don't think Tommy gets there for me. I think

0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 4>Tommy's always been a nice player, and I just think

0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:47.800
<v Speaker 4>that his his if last year was his magnum opus

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:51.400
<v Speaker 4>of where there was a real point in the fall

0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:53.640
<v Speaker 4>where we're like, is he the best player in the

0:31:53.720 --> 0:31:58.640
<v Speaker 4>world even with Scotty what he's doing. I just I

0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:02.600
<v Speaker 4>don't think we're personally. I've never thought of Tommy Fleetwood

0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 4>in the bucket of like this guy is has a

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:10.200
<v Speaker 4>chance to be like a generational player. I think he's

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:13.479
<v Speaker 4>always been in the he's a really good player bucket,

0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:18.200
<v Speaker 4>but never one that's gonna be like lasting legacy player

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:21.440
<v Speaker 4>in the game of golf. And so maybe I don't know,

0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:25.800
<v Speaker 4>that's maybe we just have different expectations of Tommy because like,

0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:29.120
<v Speaker 4>you know, you look at Tommy's career, it's like it

0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:36.320
<v Speaker 4>hasn't been this just like rose pedal, like sidewalk filled career,

0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:39.200
<v Speaker 4>where like there have been ups, ups and downs. He

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:41.560
<v Speaker 4>had like a lot of struggles early in his in

0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:46.560
<v Speaker 4>his European tour career. And to me, I, I, yeah,

0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, I don't know the what what the

0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:52.280
<v Speaker 4>you know? I you know, major I.

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 2>Think would be like the cherry on top of a

0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 2>really good career.

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'm already looking forward to Tommy Fluwood Ryder Cup captain.

0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:01.840
<v Speaker 1>I thought that, uh is fun.

0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:04.360
<v Speaker 5>And there's been so many European guys who I'm looking

0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:06.920
<v Speaker 5>forward to their Ryder Cup tenure, which is why I

0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 5>don't love that Luke Donald got three bites of the

0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:11.280
<v Speaker 5>Apple because I want more guys to sort of get

0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 5>there or swing at it just for the narrative's sake

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 5>of it.

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:17.040
<v Speaker 2>I wish we would have gotten Westi's because I'm sure

0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:19.800
<v Speaker 2>he would have read like he read, would have read

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:22.000
<v Speaker 2>his first book of his life, The Art of War.

0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Did you see zing? Does it? Westy? A little bit?

0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:28.680
<v Speaker 5>He was talking about golf digests the other day about Oh,

0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:31.520
<v Speaker 5>golf digist is reporting out stories about where a pee

0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:33.480
<v Speaker 5>on the golf course used to publish the great so

0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:36.400
<v Speaker 5>like Jenkins and Tom Callahan. And I was like, Wesley,

0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:38.720
<v Speaker 5>I'd love to sit and talk with you about you know,

0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:40.880
<v Speaker 5>what are your favorite of your favorite Jenkins pieces are.

0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:43.480
<v Speaker 1>He did not respond to that esfirsionally.

0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:47.480
<v Speaker 4>Oh, Joseph, what's your first one? We're off the blistering

0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:48.239
<v Speaker 4>pace here too.

0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 3>Kevin almost made me change mine in real time. And

0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 3>maybe I'll come back to that one, uh, because I

0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:57.160
<v Speaker 3>think there's another player that's similar to Tommy, But I'm

0:33:57.200 --> 0:34:00.440
<v Speaker 3>going to go with We've talked about this top before

0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:02.760
<v Speaker 3>on this pod. I think the most interesting story in

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:05.000
<v Speaker 3>golf right now is that Scotty Scheffler is the clear

0:34:05.040 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 3>cut world number one, and we are five full months

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:09.880
<v Speaker 3>into the season. He has one win and it's the

0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:15.080
<v Speaker 3>American Express, and I I just am fascinated by Scotty.

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:18.440
<v Speaker 3>The discourse I'm not gonna victory Lap, the take familiar

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:19.759
<v Speaker 3>in the year that he hasn't been as good as

0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:22.320
<v Speaker 3>last year, because that is not settled, Like we have

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 3>a long time to see how good Scotty is throughout

0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:27.399
<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty six. I think a win memorial this week.

0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:29.960
<v Speaker 3>I think he could very well win at Shinnacock and

0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:34.960
<v Speaker 3>or Brickdale. But I mean, his year isn't that different

0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 3>than last year at this time. He had seven top

0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:41.840
<v Speaker 3>fives last year through twelve starts through June first, but

0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:46.600
<v Speaker 3>he had three wins, including a major championship. This year

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:50.400
<v Speaker 3>it's seven top fives through eleven starts, so similar, but

0:34:50.800 --> 0:34:54.400
<v Speaker 3>one win and it's an American Express. And we're talking

0:34:54.440 --> 0:34:56.560
<v Speaker 3>about the golfer that everyone would agree as the best

0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:59.360
<v Speaker 3>player in the world. He's thirty years old, he's squarely

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:02.200
<v Speaker 3>square in his prime and we're halfway through the season,

0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:06.320
<v Speaker 3>halfway through major championship season. It doesn't get easier to

0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:09.000
<v Speaker 3>win majors like that the standard gets raised every year.

0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:11.400
<v Speaker 3>We have some really good young talent that's over the

0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:13.239
<v Speaker 3>next two to four years going to make its way

0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:15.840
<v Speaker 3>on to tour. I think the most important story in

0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:17.960
<v Speaker 3>golf is do Scotti Schefler win a major over the

0:35:18.040 --> 0:35:18.760
<v Speaker 3>next two tries?

0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:23.400
<v Speaker 5>You know, Joseph, I think a lot about something that

0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:27.160
<v Speaker 5>you said at some point on this podcast of like, hey,

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:30.359
<v Speaker 5>did have we seen the best that Scotti Scheffler will

0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:33.439
<v Speaker 5>ever be? And that doesn't mean like going forward, will

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:36.640
<v Speaker 5>he be bad. It's so easy to sort of, I think,

0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:39.840
<v Speaker 5>dishonestly frame that when people are talking about it. But

0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:42.680
<v Speaker 5>I kind of think that makes a really interesting point.

0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 5>People used to talk about this with Tiger Woods all

0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 5>the time, when like, oh man, he'll never get better

0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:50.960
<v Speaker 5>than he was in two thousand and that was true,

0:35:51.440 --> 0:35:53.480
<v Speaker 5>but didn't mean the Tiger was going to be less than.

0:35:53.680 --> 0:35:56.360
<v Speaker 5>It just meant that, like when you're a great athlete,

0:35:56.440 --> 0:36:00.279
<v Speaker 5>sometimes you have that peak year when everything's great. That

0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:03.200
<v Speaker 5>was last year for Scotty, like got you majors out

0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:06.360
<v Speaker 5>of it, incredible, Like it all might be like just

0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:10.879
<v Speaker 5>slightly less than going forward, and we have so much

0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 5>It's so easy in sports to be like no, no, no,

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:15.880
<v Speaker 5>like he's gonna peak again, He's gonna maybe it doesn't

0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:17.719
<v Speaker 5>come and happen that way, And so I think it

0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:21.160
<v Speaker 5>is an interesting argument of like, man, it would do

0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:25.200
<v Speaker 5>a lot for my feeling of like, oh, yeah, Scotty's

0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:27.880
<v Speaker 5>gonna win double digit majors if he picked off another

0:36:27.920 --> 0:36:32.120
<v Speaker 5>one this year, and I just don't know, Like it's

0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:35.760
<v Speaker 5>obviously the don't knowing is part of why we watch sports,

0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:38.439
<v Speaker 5>but I thought it was smart they sort of frame

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:40.399
<v Speaker 5>it that way of like, hey, man, like this is great,

0:36:40.440 --> 0:36:42.360
<v Speaker 5>but don't think that this kind of run is.

0:36:42.400 --> 0:36:46.040
<v Speaker 2>Forever well, that that's the you're always the prisoner.

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 4>Like if you think about, you know, the NBA right now,

0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:53.520
<v Speaker 4>discourse last year was like, oh my god, the Thunder

0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:56.359
<v Speaker 4>are going to be this dominant team for the next

0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:59.280
<v Speaker 4>ten years, Like look at what they have. There's nobody

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:00.840
<v Speaker 4>that's gonna be able to stand in the way of

0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:05.719
<v Speaker 4>this team. And then sure enough one year later it's like, oh,

0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:09.400
<v Speaker 4>like the Spurs or the team, you know, and what

0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:13.120
<v Speaker 4>are the Thunder going to do? I think golf has

0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:16.160
<v Speaker 4>this happened so often we're almost like immune to it

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:18.239
<v Speaker 4>because you know, it's just like what we just talked

0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:21.120
<v Speaker 4>about with Tommy Fleetwood, right like at the end of

0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:23.879
<v Speaker 4>last year is like, oh, Tommy is in this top

0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:26.919
<v Speaker 4>tier class of players, and now it's like, I don't

0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:30.520
<v Speaker 4>know about that, right, And you just think, you naturally

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:34.799
<v Speaker 4>think everything's going to continue the way it is continuing.

0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:38.200
<v Speaker 4>Scotty was one of my storylines. And what I think is,

0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:42.600
<v Speaker 4>you know, like, I think struggles are make for more

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:45.520
<v Speaker 4>compelling characters, and I actually, like this is going to

0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:51.200
<v Speaker 4>sound insane, but I think Scotty not winning a major

0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:53.840
<v Speaker 4>this year is actually like one of the better things

0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:57.560
<v Speaker 4>for the sport that can happen, because it actually takes

0:37:57.640 --> 0:38:01.800
<v Speaker 4>this transcendent superstar talent that like everybody looks at and

0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:05.839
<v Speaker 4>is like not everybody, but the vast majority are like, God,

0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:06.319
<v Speaker 4>this guy.

0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Gives me nothing. He makes me feel nothing.

0:38:09.800 --> 0:38:14.520
<v Speaker 4>I cannot tell you how many conversations I have with

0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:18.160
<v Speaker 4>people just over the last couple of years that are like,

0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:21.439
<v Speaker 4>is there anything that asked me like, is there any

0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:22.000
<v Speaker 4>reason that.

0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:24.600
<v Speaker 2>I should like Scotti Scheffler and that I should like

0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:25.319
<v Speaker 2>root for him?

0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 4>And to me, one of the better things for his

0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:32.080
<v Speaker 4>likability long term if you're gonna say he's going to

0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:34.800
<v Speaker 4>be a superstar and at the top of the sport

0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:37.960
<v Speaker 4>for the next five to eight years. One of the

0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 4>best things for his broader appeal, you know, the most,

0:38:41.760 --> 0:38:44.480
<v Speaker 4>The thing that's broadened his appeal the most is he

0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:47.920
<v Speaker 4>got arrested at the PGA. That was the best thing

0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:52.080
<v Speaker 4>he could have ever happened for his popularity. Like the

0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:55.600
<v Speaker 4>next thing is like him going through some sort of

0:38:55.680 --> 0:39:00.440
<v Speaker 4>struggles on course that make people feel more to him.

0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Something that is interesting.

0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:08.399
<v Speaker 4>Since he's become this dominant player, he had another bad

0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:11.560
<v Speaker 4>stretch of golf by his standards, and I'm just saying

0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:15.160
<v Speaker 4>by his standards where Winsden didn't come just flow in

0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:19.040
<v Speaker 4>and it was his hand injury after the twenty twenty

0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:23.160
<v Speaker 4>five start. Interestingly enough, that was like basically if you yeah,

0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:26.040
<v Speaker 4>he won obviously the Tour Championship and then his next

0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:28.759
<v Speaker 4>win was the CJ Cup, But like if you look

0:39:28.800 --> 0:39:30.840
<v Speaker 4>at it based off the hand injury, it was like

0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:35.319
<v Speaker 4>a four month drought right now from the Amax till

0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:40.320
<v Speaker 4>today June first, when we're recording this, that drought is

0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:44.360
<v Speaker 4>roughly the same amount of time. It's about four months.

0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:48.800
<v Speaker 4>And this is like competitive peak competitive golf, no injuries

0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:51.960
<v Speaker 4>no step backs that we know of, and he is

0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:55.640
<v Speaker 4>just struggling like we haven't seen since he's been on

0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:59.160
<v Speaker 4>this dominant run. And by struggling, it's like he's just

0:39:59.280 --> 0:40:01.080
<v Speaker 4>not getting it over the line. But this is like

0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:03.799
<v Speaker 4>what happens with golf is like you know, the ball

0:40:03.880 --> 0:40:06.600
<v Speaker 4>bounces the wrong way, you get a bad lie, and

0:40:07.239 --> 0:40:10.000
<v Speaker 4>you know the bad lie costs you a shot. And

0:40:10.440 --> 0:40:13.400
<v Speaker 4>you know, maybe when you're winning and everything's turning up Scotty,

0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:16.040
<v Speaker 4>you're getting good lies that you're able to make things

0:40:16.120 --> 0:40:19.560
<v Speaker 4>happen from. But you know, like this is how you

0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:24.280
<v Speaker 4>start to develop some sort of scar tissue. I don't

0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:27.320
<v Speaker 4>think it's like, you know, when I think about Tiger,

0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:31.160
<v Speaker 4>I don't think it's a coincidence that like WAYI Yang

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:35.200
<v Speaker 4>staring him down and beating them in their arita like

0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:43.520
<v Speaker 4>precipitated his like whole life unraveling. And for for high,

0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:49.560
<v Speaker 4>high level golfers, I think when you fall short numerous times,

0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:53.800
<v Speaker 4>that is when the doubt starts to creep in. And

0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:56.600
<v Speaker 4>I don't think Scotty has had doubt in his career,

0:40:57.040 --> 0:41:00.400
<v Speaker 4>and I don't like I think like a drought is

0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:04.600
<v Speaker 4>actually honestly a good thing for the sport in his

0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:06.960
<v Speaker 4>long term, like fan interest.

0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:10.279
<v Speaker 3>I just have to push back on one thing, Andy,

0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:12.120
<v Speaker 3>you said the best thing that Scotty could do for

0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:13.799
<v Speaker 3>his popularity is to go through a drought.

0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:15.920
<v Speaker 6>I think him getting arrested again.

0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:20.520
<v Speaker 2>Clearly clearly Gills comes back.

0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:25.279
<v Speaker 5>Way that or like arrested for like real crimes or

0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:27.080
<v Speaker 5>like what kind of crimes are we talking about here?

0:41:27.560 --> 0:41:29.520
<v Speaker 1>Financial crimes? Like petty crimes?

0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:33.040
<v Speaker 3>What's u I think like armed robbery would be okay,

0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:35.360
<v Speaker 3>would take him to a different level.

0:41:36.719 --> 0:41:37.520
<v Speaker 2>Come on, I ask a question.

0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna play the role of Andy here. Can I

0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:39.560
<v Speaker 1>ask the question?

0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:43.920
<v Speaker 5>All these clips all the time of Scotty like swinging

0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:46.480
<v Speaker 5>wildly out of his shoes and the ball is going

0:41:46.520 --> 0:41:49.400
<v Speaker 5>over the club's flying this in that way, It's always

0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:52.000
<v Speaker 5>presented and framed. It's like, isn't this cute? Like isn't

0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:53.719
<v Speaker 5>oh my god, this is the number one player in

0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:55.320
<v Speaker 5>the world, Like isn't this wild?

0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Ha ha haha?

0:41:57.400 --> 0:42:00.279
<v Speaker 5>Is there ever any like I think, like push from

0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:02.759
<v Speaker 5>Randy Smith to be like, hey, what if we swung

0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 5>a little bit more in balance? What if we like

0:42:05.160 --> 0:42:07.480
<v Speaker 5>didn't try to have to save it with like the

0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:10.439
<v Speaker 5>best set of hands, you know of this era maybe

0:42:10.480 --> 0:42:10.920
<v Speaker 5>any era.

0:42:11.560 --> 0:42:13.120
<v Speaker 1>I can't. You can't tell me that.

0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:17.920
<v Speaker 5>Like Scotty like falling over sometimes when he swings at

0:42:17.960 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 5>the ball is like a good thing because you know

0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:24.600
<v Speaker 5>that he doesn't have to swing like Adam.

0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Scott and obviously like the results are what the results are.

0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:32.160
<v Speaker 5>But is there ever any like thought of like, hey, Scotty,

0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:35.400
<v Speaker 5>like we could still you know, you don't have to

0:42:35.600 --> 0:42:40.000
<v Speaker 5>essentially like swing like a complete, you know, twenty five

0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:43.440
<v Speaker 5>handicapper sometimes and just save it with your hands. What

0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:46.600
<v Speaker 5>if we developed a little bit more consistency in this

0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:49.640
<v Speaker 5>holy cow, maybe you'd go back to being like a

0:42:49.800 --> 0:42:53.759
<v Speaker 5>three strokes gained around person if you were.

0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Just like a little bit more in control. I disagree.

0:42:57.160 --> 0:43:02.080
<v Speaker 2>I think the question I think the golf swing.

0:43:02.520 --> 0:43:06.920
<v Speaker 4>What what I think bothers me is that And this

0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:10.399
<v Speaker 4>goes back to like Jim Furick, like the swing your swing,

0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:13.080
<v Speaker 4>and it's like, well, if you look at like the

0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:16.360
<v Speaker 4>most important points in the golf swing and where the

0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:20.600
<v Speaker 4>club head, the body like everything is, it's like, oh,

0:43:20.719 --> 0:43:24.279
<v Speaker 4>this is perfect, this is what But people then just

0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:27.600
<v Speaker 4>use the feet for social engagement. It is just it

0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:30.920
<v Speaker 4>is just a pure social engagement play and like the

0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 4>actual like, uh, the actual intelligent discourse would be around

0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:38.920
<v Speaker 4>like how what he does with the feet give him

0:43:39.239 --> 0:43:44.080
<v Speaker 4>supreme face control through the impact zone because like the

0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:48.760
<v Speaker 4>way he uses his feet actually are like he's creating

0:43:48.880 --> 0:43:55.520
<v Speaker 4>like the most like a very stable situation at at impact,

0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:58.120
<v Speaker 4>and then the feet go everywhere after impact.

0:43:59.320 --> 0:43:59.720
<v Speaker 1>I agree.

0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:02.080
<v Speaker 5>I think a driver it's a little different, Like he

0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:06.640
<v Speaker 5>makes some wild swings with driver that some ball's going

0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:09.680
<v Speaker 5>way right. That remind me of like when Tiger was

0:44:10.040 --> 0:44:13.000
<v Speaker 5>hitting the ball like a mile right sometimes and had

0:44:13.000 --> 0:44:15.400
<v Speaker 5>to save himself, I mean to me, and honestly sometimes

0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:17.759
<v Speaker 5>makes him more interesting and more compelling because then he

0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:22.920
<v Speaker 5>has to manufacture saving things. Honestly, when Scotty's his most boring,

0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:25.560
<v Speaker 5>it's when he's playing like just the best golf of

0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:29.440
<v Speaker 5>like hey, driving it down like yeah, hitting hitting these

0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:33.120
<v Speaker 5>gentle cuts, hitting it to twenty feet, making three out

0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:35.600
<v Speaker 5>of every ten of those, you know, and then all

0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:37.520
<v Speaker 5>of a sudden it's like, well I'm twenty under, you know.

0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:43.839
<v Speaker 2>It's you know, what might help Scotty break the windless drout?

0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Tell me more?

0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:47.960
<v Speaker 2>I think he might need to examine.

0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:50.799
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0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:53.600
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0:45:06.040 --> 0:45:08.920
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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>We got to pick up the pace here. We're slacking.

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<v Speaker 4>I have I fear that the Golf Star is not

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<v Speaker 1>We well, let's move us along. Be the traffic cop.

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<v Speaker 6>I was already worried.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, We've got one of my favorite stories is

0:48:20.600 --> 0:48:24.959
<v Speaker 4>the uh the Fitzpatrick brothers ascension in twenty twenty six.

0:48:25.880 --> 0:48:28.600
<v Speaker 4>I think brothers are compelling. Obviously we have the hoy

0:48:28.680 --> 0:48:33.640
<v Speaker 4>Guards the Fitzpatricks, though, like doing both taking their game

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<v Speaker 4>to like a whole new stratosphere at the exact same

0:48:36.600 --> 0:48:42.400
<v Speaker 4>time to me is super super interesting. You know you

0:48:42.520 --> 0:48:46.320
<v Speaker 4>had FITZI basically both of them. A year ago we

0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:51.480
<v Speaker 4>were wandering a bit in the wilderness. Alex was a

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<v Speaker 4>middling European tour player at this point and Fitzi was

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<v Speaker 4>playing arguably the worst golf of his professtional career. And

0:49:01.880 --> 0:49:04.520
<v Speaker 4>in the matter of a year, it looks like there's

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<v Speaker 4>like that. You know, Fitzi is one of the without

0:49:08.160 --> 0:49:11.120
<v Speaker 4>a doubt, you know, seven best players in the sport,

0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:14.960
<v Speaker 4>and now it looks like Alex could be like a

0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:20.320
<v Speaker 4>high end PGA tour player. I think, what's what's fascinating

0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:22.600
<v Speaker 4>to me. I think brothers are good for the sport.

0:49:22.760 --> 0:49:25.879
<v Speaker 4>It's good talking points. Obviously Alex, like you're gonna see

0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:29.440
<v Speaker 4>all the pictures all the time of him carrying the

0:49:29.520 --> 0:49:33.080
<v Speaker 4>bag for for Matt at at the UH, at the

0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:36.440
<v Speaker 4>at the US A M that Matt won at the

0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:39.800
<v Speaker 4>brook at Brookline. But you know, Alex brings like a

0:49:39.840 --> 0:49:44.359
<v Speaker 4>whole different dynamic, uh different game. He's longer than than Matt,

0:49:44.520 --> 0:49:49.360
<v Speaker 4>He's he's been like a really good iron player, and like,

0:49:50.320 --> 0:49:53.520
<v Speaker 4>you know, I don't think it's inconceivable that you can

0:49:53.600 --> 0:49:56.520
<v Speaker 4>see these guys duke it out in like tour events

0:49:56.600 --> 0:50:00.319
<v Speaker 4>against each other, Like it's not inconceivable that these guys

0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:04.040
<v Speaker 4>would be in final group and a tournament and you know,

0:50:04.160 --> 0:50:06.800
<v Speaker 4>obviously you have the hoyguards, but they have not yet like,

0:50:07.120 --> 0:50:08.839
<v Speaker 4>you know, kind of taken off. I think the way

0:50:08.920 --> 0:50:12.120
<v Speaker 4>that people expected I did not have on my bingo card,

0:50:12.880 --> 0:50:16.880
<v Speaker 4>that the Fitzpatricks would be the brothers of the PGA

0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:20.239
<v Speaker 4>of of pro golf that everybody would be clamoring for.

0:50:20.719 --> 0:50:22.840
<v Speaker 4>And it's just been kind of fun to see it

0:50:23.080 --> 0:50:25.160
<v Speaker 4>happen for both of them at the same time.

0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:28.160
<v Speaker 5>You know, it reminds me any of is like exclibit

0:50:28.200 --> 0:50:30.399
<v Speaker 5>of high school vibes where there would be like two

0:50:30.520 --> 0:50:32.839
<v Speaker 5>brothers who are coming up through the you know, your

0:50:32.920 --> 0:50:35.960
<v Speaker 5>class whatever be like, oh, well, you know, Matt's pretty good,

0:50:36.000 --> 0:50:38.960
<v Speaker 5>but like Alex, he's the dude who's gonna like dominate,

0:50:39.040 --> 0:50:40.880
<v Speaker 5>and then they both end up kind of playing a

0:50:40.880 --> 0:50:42.319
<v Speaker 5>little varsity at the same time.

0:50:42.560 --> 0:50:44.399
<v Speaker 1>Like it's just that is remember reminis of that little

0:50:44.440 --> 0:50:45.160
<v Speaker 1>vibe that doesn't.

0:50:44.920 --> 0:50:47.640
<v Speaker 5>Exist in professional sports very much, where hey, a family

0:50:47.719 --> 0:50:49.640
<v Speaker 5>of dudes is going to be uh is going to

0:50:49.680 --> 0:50:50.919
<v Speaker 5>be contributing to this whole deal.

0:50:52.840 --> 0:50:55.360
<v Speaker 3>Look, I'm I have a very close relationship with my

0:50:55.520 --> 0:50:58.040
<v Speaker 3>brother and I think a lot of my most fun

0:50:58.120 --> 0:51:02.560
<v Speaker 3>experiences in life are competing in sports together with my brother,

0:51:02.640 --> 0:51:04.960
<v Speaker 3>whether it's on the same team, whether it's against each other,

0:51:05.480 --> 0:51:08.400
<v Speaker 3>like growing up playing basketball against each other or golf.

0:51:08.960 --> 0:51:12.359
<v Speaker 3>And to see the Fitzpatricks now, the way they talk

0:51:12.400 --> 0:51:16.400
<v Speaker 3>about each other, there's zero jealousy. They give awesome quotes

0:51:16.480 --> 0:51:21.440
<v Speaker 3>about one another. It's pure motivation and they take so

0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:25.920
<v Speaker 3>much joy in each other's successes that that strikes a

0:51:26.000 --> 0:51:27.960
<v Speaker 3>certain chord for me. And what I think would be

0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:30.120
<v Speaker 3>incredible is if they could both end up on the

0:51:30.200 --> 0:51:34.000
<v Speaker 3>Ryder Cup team next year. And it's a little far fetched,

0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:37.160
<v Speaker 3>but at least at this point for Alex to sustain

0:51:37.239 --> 0:51:39.640
<v Speaker 3>that and be one of the twelve best Europeans going

0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:43.200
<v Speaker 3>into next year. However, I think Europeans are sort of

0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:46.360
<v Speaker 3>on the record believing that you'd be more likely to

0:51:46.440 --> 0:51:49.520
<v Speaker 3>take a rookie to the Ryder Cup at home versus away,

0:51:49.640 --> 0:51:52.960
<v Speaker 3>So that's at least something in Alex's favor, and that

0:51:53.440 --> 0:51:55.600
<v Speaker 3>legitimate chance that they could get paired together at the

0:51:55.680 --> 0:51:57.880
<v Speaker 3>Ryder Cup. I know we've seen it before, the Mullinari

0:51:57.960 --> 0:52:01.000
<v Speaker 3>brothers in twenty ten were paired together, but I think

0:52:01.040 --> 0:52:03.680
<v Speaker 3>the opportunity to watch brothers, one being one of the

0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:05.840
<v Speaker 3>best players in the world, one being an up and

0:52:05.960 --> 0:52:09.440
<v Speaker 3>comer paired together at a Ryder Cup, the most pressure

0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:12.800
<v Speaker 3>packed intense. Again, even the Ryder Cup now compared to

0:52:12.880 --> 0:52:14.759
<v Speaker 3>twenty ten is so much bigger and so much more

0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:16.960
<v Speaker 3>pressure packed. I think that would be one of the

0:52:17.080 --> 0:52:19.440
<v Speaker 3>coolest things we could possibly see in twenty twenty seven.

0:52:20.080 --> 0:52:24.279
<v Speaker 5>Joseph, if you had a choice between Aaron Raye, Alex Fitzpatrick,

0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:26.759
<v Speaker 5>or Shane Lowry on the European Ryder Cup team, who

0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:27.560
<v Speaker 5>you picking right now?

0:52:30.440 --> 0:52:33.160
<v Speaker 6>God, that's hard. I would I would go with Alex Fitzpatrick.

0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:36.560
<v Speaker 4>I think you know you don't make that better if

0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:39.520
<v Speaker 4>it was Matt and Alex playing together and they were

0:52:39.600 --> 0:52:45.520
<v Speaker 4>playing against somebody playing with Cam Young obviously the Alex

0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:48.920
<v Speaker 4>cam Young college teammate angle too.

0:52:49.360 --> 0:52:51.200
<v Speaker 6>Look, if Kim Young had a brother that I can

0:52:51.280 --> 0:52:52.520
<v Speaker 6>guarantee that guy would be on tour.

0:52:56.880 --> 0:52:59.799
<v Speaker 2>All right, what's up next? That's enough for the Fitzpatrick

0:53:01.280 --> 0:53:02.280
<v Speaker 2>all right, I'll throw.

0:53:02.120 --> 0:53:02.560
<v Speaker 1>One out there.

0:53:04.239 --> 0:53:07.160
<v Speaker 5>I Look, this is maybe a little bit unfair, but

0:53:07.840 --> 0:53:09.680
<v Speaker 5>I think I've I've mentioned some of this. When is

0:53:09.719 --> 0:53:15.160
<v Speaker 5>the next great American player going to emerge. I think

0:53:15.320 --> 0:53:19.000
<v Speaker 5>one thing that has been true throughout history is Americans

0:53:19.040 --> 0:53:23.040
<v Speaker 5>have continually produced like a generationally great player, like every

0:53:23.160 --> 0:53:25.520
<v Speaker 5>ten to fifteen years, and so it's maybe a little

0:53:25.520 --> 0:53:28.680
<v Speaker 5>bit early for that, just like another one to merge.

0:53:29.080 --> 0:53:32.520
<v Speaker 5>Maybe it's like someone you know, much younger, Miles Russell,

0:53:32.600 --> 0:53:37.480
<v Speaker 5>Blades Brown, whatever. But so far, I think this season

0:53:38.560 --> 0:53:41.839
<v Speaker 5>has lent a little bit evidence too, like it might

0:53:42.000 --> 0:53:44.600
<v Speaker 5>not be one of these guys who we sort of

0:53:44.680 --> 0:53:47.440
<v Speaker 5>thought were great. Look, there's still plenty of time not

0:53:47.719 --> 0:53:51.879
<v Speaker 5>burying any of these guys, but like you know, Luke

0:53:51.920 --> 0:53:56.000
<v Speaker 5>Clinton hadn't been very good, Like he has not quite

0:53:56.080 --> 0:53:58.719
<v Speaker 5>been the dude who was looked like he was going

0:53:58.800 --> 0:54:00.000
<v Speaker 5>to finish, you know, when he when he was getting

0:54:00.120 --> 0:54:03.120
<v Speaker 5>all these sponsors exemptions, when he was in college, he

0:54:03.320 --> 0:54:06.359
<v Speaker 5>was playing on tour occasionally and being awesome. He has

0:54:06.440 --> 0:54:10.120
<v Speaker 5>won top twenty five this year in Puerto Rico. Neil Shipley,

0:54:10.440 --> 0:54:11.920
<v Speaker 5>I don't know if anyone thought he was a phenom,

0:54:11.960 --> 0:54:14.879
<v Speaker 5>but it was a very very good player made only

0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:18.360
<v Speaker 5>three of thirteen cuts. Nick Dunlap like obviously kind of

0:54:18.440 --> 0:54:22.680
<v Speaker 5>lost right now, made only four cuts this year. Pearson

0:54:22.680 --> 0:54:25.560
<v Speaker 5>Cooty's probably been the most consistent player of all the munch,

0:54:25.680 --> 0:54:28.319
<v Speaker 5>Like obviously Michael Thorburnson just finished in the top ten

0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:32.359
<v Speaker 5>this week, but Michael, you know, I would say Michael

0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:35.640
<v Speaker 5>is probably the best of its Cooty's probably the most consistent.

0:54:36.680 --> 0:54:39.439
<v Speaker 5>But which one of these, Like almost all these guys

0:54:39.480 --> 0:54:42.319
<v Speaker 5>are older than Akshay, Like, are any of these guys

0:54:42.400 --> 0:54:45.080
<v Speaker 5>going to sort of have Akshay's career at this point? Like,

0:54:45.120 --> 0:54:47.800
<v Speaker 5>Okhay is not a superstar, actually is a good, solid

0:54:47.880 --> 0:54:51.400
<v Speaker 5>PGA Tour player. Ken Winn hasn't shown he's contending in majors.

0:54:51.840 --> 0:54:55.480
<v Speaker 5>Who is the next great like American player that's going

0:54:55.520 --> 0:54:57.279
<v Speaker 5>to emerge? I don't know that it's gonna be one

0:54:57.280 --> 0:54:59.600
<v Speaker 5>of these guys of this generation because they're all getting

0:54:59.600 --> 0:55:03.640
<v Speaker 5>to be twenty. Like by that time, Tiger had won

0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:06.480
<v Speaker 5>a bunch, Speith had won a bunch, like Rory had

0:55:06.520 --> 0:55:08.920
<v Speaker 5>won a ton obviously not an American, but like it's

0:55:10.239 --> 0:55:11.600
<v Speaker 5>I don't know, and you go ahead.

0:55:11.360 --> 0:55:13.239
<v Speaker 4>And I just, you know, I want to get this

0:55:13.360 --> 0:55:17.440
<v Speaker 4>out there before Joseph that what if we're just watching

0:55:17.520 --> 0:55:19.160
<v Speaker 4>it happen with Cameron Young right now?

0:55:20.560 --> 0:55:22.080
<v Speaker 6>Wow, didn't expect that.

0:55:24.040 --> 0:55:26.000
<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to go there before you do it.

0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:32.080
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, I think this is actually like one of

0:55:32.200 --> 0:55:36.800
<v Speaker 4>the more you know, nobody's really talking about it, but fascinating,

0:55:36.880 --> 0:55:40.560
<v Speaker 4>like we have heard for years, and I think like

0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:41.319
<v Speaker 4>part of it is.

0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:43.600
<v Speaker 2>Actually some of it.

0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:47.160
<v Speaker 4>I I don't think it's insane to think that social

0:55:47.239 --> 0:55:50.680
<v Speaker 4>media has had an impact on this. Like these kids

0:55:50.760 --> 0:55:55.400
<v Speaker 4>before they've even turned professional, are are having these expectations

0:55:55.440 --> 0:55:59.880
<v Speaker 4>of being the next great thing heaped on them, and it,

0:56:01.160 --> 0:56:03.520
<v Speaker 4>you know, it inevitably sets them up for failure. It

0:56:03.960 --> 0:56:09.200
<v Speaker 4>makes you appreciate, honestly, it makes you appreciate the people

0:56:09.400 --> 0:56:14.960
<v Speaker 4>like Rory and Tiger who you know, justin Thomas Speith,

0:56:15.480 --> 0:56:19.640
<v Speaker 4>who were able to do what they did with all

0:56:19.760 --> 0:56:20.560
<v Speaker 4>the heaping.

0:56:22.520 --> 0:56:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Praise and everything.

0:56:23.480 --> 0:56:26.560
<v Speaker 4>And you know, I think PGA Tour U has been

0:56:26.800 --> 0:56:30.839
<v Speaker 4>fantastic at getting people up to the tour and up

0:56:30.920 --> 0:56:31.680
<v Speaker 4>to the tour.

0:56:31.800 --> 0:56:35.919
<v Speaker 2>Faster than they usually do. I think it's actually been detrimental.

0:56:36.480 --> 0:56:40.600
<v Speaker 4>You brought up akshay Okha at age twenty three, like

0:56:40.920 --> 0:56:47.280
<v Speaker 4>almost every super duper star turns pro at a young age.

0:56:48.080 --> 0:56:55.160
<v Speaker 4>You know, Tiger was twenty, uh obviously, Rory was seventeen, Speith.

0:56:55.000 --> 0:56:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Was what nineteen nineteen or twenty eight.

0:56:57.680 --> 0:56:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, justin Thomas.

0:56:58.960 --> 0:57:02.920
<v Speaker 4>If you even go to there was was twenty the

0:57:03.080 --> 0:57:06.560
<v Speaker 4>idea of like keeping these kids in school, I think,

0:57:06.920 --> 0:57:10.160
<v Speaker 4>like the really great ones. I think there is a

0:57:10.239 --> 0:57:13.600
<v Speaker 4>stunting of development, and I you know, when you start

0:57:13.680 --> 0:57:16.560
<v Speaker 4>to say, like I this is I used to do

0:57:16.640 --> 0:57:19.840
<v Speaker 4>this exercise with Joaquin Nieman all the time, too, is

0:57:20.000 --> 0:57:23.720
<v Speaker 4>like it's like Joaquin Nema turned pro at eighteen, and

0:57:24.400 --> 0:57:27.320
<v Speaker 4>it's like okay, like he's been around forever, and it's like, oh,

0:57:27.360 --> 0:57:31.240
<v Speaker 4>he's only twenty two. So it's like, Okay, this person

0:57:31.440 --> 0:57:33.760
<v Speaker 4>that you think is going to be the next world beater,

0:57:34.440 --> 0:57:36.080
<v Speaker 4>do you know how much work they have to do

0:57:36.240 --> 0:57:39.000
<v Speaker 4>when they turn pro at twenty three just to equal

0:57:39.080 --> 0:57:42.360
<v Speaker 4>what Joaquin Neman's done from eighteen to twenty three, or

0:57:42.440 --> 0:57:46.120
<v Speaker 4>what Akhay's done from seventeen to twenty three or twenty

0:57:46.200 --> 0:57:48.880
<v Speaker 4>four whatever he is now there are, you know, and

0:57:49.040 --> 0:57:51.040
<v Speaker 4>we've had the you know, this is this is the

0:57:51.080 --> 0:57:54.280
<v Speaker 4>whole kind of like thing with like I think there's

0:57:54.360 --> 0:57:58.280
<v Speaker 4>been frustration with uh Ludwig. I mean, Ludwig's you know,

0:57:58.360 --> 0:58:02.640
<v Speaker 4>twenty six years old, and you know, I think we've

0:58:02.800 --> 0:58:05.760
<v Speaker 4>entered an era where like the stars might emerge a

0:58:05.880 --> 0:58:09.680
<v Speaker 4>little bit later. But at the same time, to your point,

0:58:09.760 --> 0:58:13.520
<v Speaker 4>there's always been transcended players. Who knows, maybe it's Jackson Coivin,

0:58:14.160 --> 0:58:17.400
<v Speaker 4>it's maybe it's present Stout. But the longer they stay

0:58:17.480 --> 0:58:21.480
<v Speaker 4>in college, I believe for the transcendent players, I think

0:58:21.520 --> 0:58:23.800
<v Speaker 4>for most players, it's good to stay in college. For

0:58:23.880 --> 0:58:27.200
<v Speaker 4>the transcendent players, what you're doing is your stunting development.

0:58:27.480 --> 0:58:32.280
<v Speaker 4>You're staying in a state of of of comfort. You

0:58:32.400 --> 0:58:35.640
<v Speaker 4>look at like Cooper Flag in the NBA. Cooper Flag

0:58:35.920 --> 0:58:41.040
<v Speaker 4>reclassified at age seventeen. He got out of Maine because,

0:58:41.160 --> 0:58:43.240
<v Speaker 4>like he was in Maine, he was the best player

0:58:43.520 --> 0:58:46.280
<v Speaker 4>as a young high schooler, and they left.

0:58:46.440 --> 0:58:46.840
<v Speaker 2>They left.

0:58:47.000 --> 0:58:49.880
<v Speaker 4>They haven't leave Maine to continue to progress, continue to

0:58:50.040 --> 0:58:53.200
<v Speaker 4>test yourself. And I do think PGA two ur you

0:58:53.920 --> 0:58:57.320
<v Speaker 4>is actually having a harmful effect. I mean, the best

0:58:57.440 --> 0:59:01.520
<v Speaker 4>young players, I think generally are coming from abroad where

0:59:01.560 --> 0:59:04.320
<v Speaker 4>they have these development programs, and these kids are like

0:59:04.920 --> 0:59:08.880
<v Speaker 4>thrown out into the ocean much more than college golf

0:59:09.080 --> 0:59:13.480
<v Speaker 4>and AGGA. And you know, the amateur circuit is kind

0:59:13.520 --> 0:59:15.400
<v Speaker 4>of I believe, coddling them a bit.

0:59:16.600 --> 0:59:17.280
<v Speaker 6>There's a lot there.

0:59:17.560 --> 0:59:19.200
<v Speaker 3>This is actually one of mine, so we can just

0:59:19.280 --> 0:59:21.600
<v Speaker 3>count it within the interest of time watching these young

0:59:21.640 --> 0:59:24.760
<v Speaker 3>golfers try to develop between basically age twenty one and

0:59:24.800 --> 0:59:27.280
<v Speaker 3>twenty seven. Andy, you talked about it on the Shotgun

0:59:27.360 --> 0:59:30.240
<v Speaker 3>Start this week. This is also a conversation we've had

0:59:30.280 --> 0:59:33.440
<v Speaker 3>on the Frida Egg Pod. I do believe that the

0:59:34.720 --> 0:59:39.600
<v Speaker 3>with technology changing, you often get a shifting landscape of

0:59:39.640 --> 0:59:41.440
<v Speaker 3>who the best golfers in the world are, and that

0:59:41.560 --> 0:59:46.600
<v Speaker 3>with driver technology and the prevalence of track man, we

0:59:46.760 --> 0:59:49.600
<v Speaker 3>saw some really good young golfers emerge in that twenty

0:59:49.800 --> 0:59:53.920
<v Speaker 3>thirteen to twenty eighteen era. Speak justin Thomas, those guys

0:59:54.240 --> 0:59:59.320
<v Speaker 3>who had a lot of success young, and I don't

0:59:59.320 --> 1:00:01.479
<v Speaker 3>think we're going to se as much of that going

1:00:01.560 --> 1:00:05.240
<v Speaker 3>forward unless there's some kind of technological shift again, because

1:00:05.320 --> 1:00:08.440
<v Speaker 3>of how hard it is to play good golf consistently,

1:00:08.480 --> 1:00:10.439
<v Speaker 3>and that the difference between a twenty two year old

1:00:10.800 --> 1:00:13.400
<v Speaker 3>and a twenty six year old is very significant, not

1:00:13.600 --> 1:00:16.680
<v Speaker 3>just physically, but all these little skills that they pick up.

1:00:16.840 --> 1:00:20.640
<v Speaker 3>And I think with guys like Ludbiggs an example, Kevin,

1:00:20.680 --> 1:00:23.400
<v Speaker 3>you mentioned Michael thorbe Jornson. I think Michael thorpe Jornson

1:00:23.480 --> 1:00:27.280
<v Speaker 3>is on a wonderful trajectory, and people are way way

1:00:27.400 --> 1:00:29.880
<v Speaker 3>too quick to nitpick these guys when they haven't even

1:00:29.880 --> 1:00:33.640
<v Speaker 3>gotten to twenty seven or twenty eight, in part because

1:00:33.960 --> 1:00:38.040
<v Speaker 3>probably some recent experience with Justin Thomas and with Jordan Speed,

1:00:38.120 --> 1:00:41.280
<v Speaker 3>those guys getting wins really early. But that said, the

1:00:41.400 --> 1:00:45.160
<v Speaker 3>true transcendent players, as both of you have mentioned, they

1:00:45.240 --> 1:00:49.240
<v Speaker 3>announce that they are great, great players pretty quickly. And

1:00:49.360 --> 1:00:51.960
<v Speaker 3>to most directly answer your question Kevin that you started with,

1:00:52.160 --> 1:00:53.800
<v Speaker 3>when are we going to see the next great American

1:00:53.880 --> 1:00:58.160
<v Speaker 3>young player? I do strongly believe that Jackson Coyven is

1:00:58.240 --> 1:01:00.320
<v Speaker 3>our best chance at seeing that in a very very

1:01:00.360 --> 1:01:02.800
<v Speaker 3>long time, and he's twenty one. I don't know if

1:01:02.800 --> 1:01:04.800
<v Speaker 3>I fully agree with you Andy that PJ tour you

1:01:04.920 --> 1:01:06.800
<v Speaker 3>is holding guys back. I hear what you're saying on

1:01:06.920 --> 1:01:08.880
<v Speaker 3>the g I just don't know.

1:01:09.520 --> 1:01:14.200
<v Speaker 2>If you're great, do not hold your don't do not

1:01:14.400 --> 1:01:15.600
<v Speaker 2>stay at the same level.

1:01:16.760 --> 1:01:19.080
<v Speaker 3>Agree, but you need to get you need to have

1:01:19.200 --> 1:01:21.600
<v Speaker 3>some support under you. And now that Jackson has a

1:01:21.720 --> 1:01:25.040
<v Speaker 3>full PGA tour status, it's really hard life out on

1:01:25.080 --> 1:01:27.880
<v Speaker 3>the corn Faery tour. Blaze Brown's doing it, so that's

1:01:27.880 --> 1:01:31.360
<v Speaker 3>another name that should be mentioned. But yes, going back

1:01:31.360 --> 1:01:35.680
<v Speaker 3>to it. I think Jackson Coyven, by all accounts, everything

1:01:35.720 --> 1:01:38.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm seeing from him indicates that that's one of the

1:01:38.800 --> 1:01:41.720
<v Speaker 3>best players that we've seen in a very, very long time.

1:01:41.800 --> 1:01:43.560
<v Speaker 3>And I think what I'm most encouraged by is that

1:01:43.640 --> 1:01:45.920
<v Speaker 3>some of these guys who we really like but then

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<v Speaker 3>aren't quite materializing. I don't want to be hard on

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<v Speaker 3>him again, but like Luke Clanton is somebody that we

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<v Speaker 3>need to give some grace too. But he's a really

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<v Speaker 3>long driver of the golf ball, and I think you

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<v Speaker 3>get away with that a little bit more in college

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<v Speaker 3>than at the professional level. Jackson Coyven's more of like

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<v Speaker 3>he'll be middle on the on the PGA tour, like

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<v Speaker 3>one seventy five ball speed guy, one of the best

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<v Speaker 3>putters a lot of people have ever seen in college,

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<v Speaker 3>and a great great iron player.

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<v Speaker 6>Kevin.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's the answer is, Hey, this is going

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<v Speaker 3>to be the best litmus test. Does Jackson Quaven over

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<v Speaker 3>the next two years, make a statement in a major championship,

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<v Speaker 3>finish top five, and then you got like a ten

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<v Speaker 3>year runway where you're looking at the great next young

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<v Speaker 3>American player.

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<v Speaker 1>I certainly hope.

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<v Speaker 5>So I just think like if you think back of history,

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<v Speaker 5>like Rory was great at twenty one. Yes, Tiger was

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<v Speaker 5>great at twenty one, Ernie Els was great at twenty.

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<v Speaker 5>Phil Mickelson was great at twenty one, twenty two. It

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<v Speaker 5>didn't win major for many other years. Jack was like

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<v Speaker 5>maybe the best player in the world at twenty one,

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<v Speaker 5>Like there there always is every generation. Scotty Scheffers like

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<v Speaker 5>the one player who for whom it took twenty five

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<v Speaker 5>twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe Brooks.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so maybe Brooks and Scottie are are the start

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<v Speaker 5>of a trend of like, hey, you can emerge a

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<v Speaker 5>little bit later, but usually that's I think that's why

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<v Speaker 5>we thought Speed at the time was going to be

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<v Speaker 5>really good, in part because it was like, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>like if you're doing this at twenty one, it means

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<v Speaker 5>something big, and you know obviously that hasn't sustained.

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<v Speaker 1>But it just it's just thinking about it and looking

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<v Speaker 1>at it.

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<v Speaker 5>It's easier to be like I I agree Michael Thorburnson

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<v Speaker 5>is on a great path and like we are, we

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<v Speaker 5>should absolutely think that he is still going to be

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<v Speaker 5>a great player. He's older than ox Shabatia, Like it's

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<v Speaker 5>at some point you're like, oh, man, like, did you

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<v Speaker 5>you miss your window for being like a great player

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<v Speaker 5>because the great ones emerge very early.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I think like it's it's important to like

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<v Speaker 4>preface here, Like I mean, Michael Thorbjornsen could go have

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<v Speaker 4>like a great career, but I don't. I think that

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<v Speaker 4>the idea of him being like a game changer for

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<v Speaker 4>the sport of golf is his past right for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think you know this, it's it's it outside

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<v Speaker 4>of Scottie and Brooks. Really, what are the the guys

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<v Speaker 4>that are you know, top you know, say the top

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<v Speaker 4>ten to fifteen players of this generation or not this

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<v Speaker 4>generation of the you know, modern game. We'll say from

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<v Speaker 4>the nineties on. Who haven't been you know, great players

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<v Speaker 4>at a young age, Like someone that would like fill

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<v Speaker 4>in here that I think like probably could have had

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<v Speaker 4>that if he hadn't a state in school so long,

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<v Speaker 4>would have had you know, similar successfully turned pro was

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<v Speaker 4>Calin mor Kawa.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, look at Calin mor Kawa.

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<v Speaker 4>Probably slaton into like the top twenty players you know

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<v Speaker 4>of the last thirty years given his resume and and

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<v Speaker 4>he I think, I mean he his career is going

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<v Speaker 4>to be like why didn't he win as much as

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<v Speaker 4>he won early.

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<v Speaker 3>I think to Andy, you're sent you're correctly qualifying. What

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<v Speaker 3>are we talking about in terms of how great they are?

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<v Speaker 3>Truly transcendent? I don't think we have anybody who's professional

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<v Speaker 3>right now.

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<v Speaker 4>But honestly, Blake's is like super I'm actually I don't

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<v Speaker 4>think that that stories. Honestly, I don't think Blakes Brown's

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<v Speaker 4>getting enough play fair lady, you talk about like going

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<v Speaker 4>out with no support. He went out with no support

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<v Speaker 4>and he's figured it out fair. I was thinking tour

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<v Speaker 4>I think like something like that. There's like a misconception.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to have a tour card.

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<v Speaker 4>I have to before I turn pro guess what like,

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<v Speaker 4>if you are truly great, it does not matter because

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<v Speaker 4>you are going to go get your tour card and

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<v Speaker 4>nothing is going to hold you down, like the tour system.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe that people who have like vested interest in

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<v Speaker 4>certain players will always be like the Well, the system

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<v Speaker 4>is just not fair. The system has ever held back

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<v Speaker 4>a great player from being great.

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<v Speaker 6>Ever, Yeah, that's true. Blades is a fair shoutout, But

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<v Speaker 6>in general, I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Kevin the time and Rory announce their presence really early,

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<v Speaker 3>and to go back to the Scotty. If you're referencing

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<v Speaker 3>Scotty as like him being an exception, I think the

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<v Speaker 3>other side of that is that it might be some

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<v Speaker 3>level of evidence that he probably won't be one of

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<v Speaker 3>those players ten years from now, because that's what he

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<v Speaker 3>would have to do, is ultimately be a great, great

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<v Speaker 3>player when he's thirty nine forty. So I think that's

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<v Speaker 3>part of where I come from on them. Maybe I've

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<v Speaker 3>seen the most dominant Scotti show.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean the just watching the NBA, like Victor revegnanm

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<v Speaker 5>is twenty two years old, like and this is sort

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<v Speaker 5>of like he's arrived as like the best player in

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<v Speaker 5>the game, and it makes you think like Lebron had

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<v Speaker 5>kind of arrived by the time he was twenty one

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<v Speaker 5>twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the best player in the game for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>and so.

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<v Speaker 5>I you know, you want that as a sports fan,

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<v Speaker 5>for that next thing to arrive, and it's not arriving

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<v Speaker 5>right now.

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<v Speaker 6>In golf, Jackson Cobbn turned twenty one a week ago.

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<v Speaker 5>I think we need to wait and see, like, let's

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<v Speaker 5>have Jackson. The potential is there for sure, and I

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<v Speaker 5>want it to happen. But now it is like okay,

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<v Speaker 5>like in the next two years, you probably got to

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<v Speaker 5>show that you are to that next next thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think like the early evidence is great. I

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<v Speaker 4>would just say I thought he should have turned pro

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<v Speaker 4>last year. I just don't know what this year did

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<v Speaker 4>for him, like going and just dominating something that you've

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<v Speaker 4>already dominated is by kind of like this is I

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<v Speaker 4>just you know, he had his card and I would

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<v Speaker 4>just go I think, like the Blades brown thing, It's

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<v Speaker 4>not like these guys like they can go back to

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<v Speaker 4>college whenever they want, you know, arguably, I think ro

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<v Speaker 4>jank should have turned pro at a younger age, and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, she was the I think like there is

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<v Speaker 4>like real like if you don't constantly I'd be fascinated

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<v Speaker 4>to hear.

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<v Speaker 2>What Rory maceleroy would say about about like what the.

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<v Speaker 4>Early days in you know, in reading Allen's book, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it was like a nice memory of like the early

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<v Speaker 4>days of Rory and there was a lot of like

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<v Speaker 4>there were a lot of like learning experiences against you know,

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<v Speaker 4>where he fell short against great forty year olds who

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<v Speaker 4>have been doing it forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that is a better.

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<v Speaker 4>I think back to, like when you're a young player.

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<v Speaker 4>Like one of the the best things is when you

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<v Speaker 4>get paired with somebody who's like thirty five and you

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<v Speaker 4>watch them play and you're like, wow, I don't have

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<v Speaker 4>that shot. Jackson Coyven does not go out and play

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<v Speaker 4>college golf and see any shot that it's like, wow,

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<v Speaker 4>I should think about developing that, Like I don't like,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't have that wedge that wedg like Jackson Coyvin.

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<v Speaker 4>If he goes in place with Zach Johnson is going

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<v Speaker 4>to be like wow, like I really like the way

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<v Speaker 4>that guy wedges the ball. And this is a guy,

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<v Speaker 4>Like we make fun of Zach all the time, but

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<v Speaker 4>this is a guy that's won two majors and is

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<v Speaker 4>probably going he's gonna be a Hall of Famer, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>And it's like you pick up more from that than

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<v Speaker 4>playing an entire season. Probably maybe not an entire season,

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<v Speaker 4>but at least like two months of college golf, you'll

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<v Speaker 4>pick up more from a round playing with Zach Johnson.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's the thing people don't realize is like

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<v Speaker 4>just being around those guys and watching them work and

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<v Speaker 4>watching what goes into Like there's this PGA Tour commercial

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<v Speaker 4>where Rory like there are all these quotes about getting

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<v Speaker 4>to the top of the game, and Rory's quote is

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<v Speaker 4>something like, you know all the work that goes to

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<v Speaker 4>getting to the top, it's almost more work to stay

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<v Speaker 4>at the top. And like I think about that is

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<v Speaker 4>like just being around the craft. The professionalism is it's

1:10:00.160 --> 1:10:02.160
<v Speaker 4>so so important for young.

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<v Speaker 5>Player and you make me think put on my father

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<v Speaker 5>hat here of Like there's a lot of kids today,

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<v Speaker 5>there's a lot of evidence to support this, don't want

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<v Speaker 5>to get their driver's license. They're not drinking, they're not

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<v Speaker 5>like having sex with the first time. They're they're sort

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<v Speaker 5>of traditional markers towards adulthood that they're.

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<v Speaker 1>Like kind of putting off whatever.

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<v Speaker 5>I wonder if there's any like if I was a

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<v Speaker 5>college kid and I was twenty one, and I was

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<v Speaker 5>the best college player in the world, and I thought like, man,

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<v Speaker 5>I'll have plenty of time for that, Like I can

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<v Speaker 5>make I can stay here and make four million in

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<v Speaker 5>nil money, and there's all kind of fun people around

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<v Speaker 5>campus and beautiful women, and I can stay with my

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<v Speaker 5>buddies and like never going to get this time back.

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<v Speaker 5>I could see being tempted to be like, yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>going to run it back in college one more year,

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<v Speaker 5>Like this sounds fun, man, I I'll be I'll have

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<v Speaker 5>plenty of time to be a professional in the grind

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<v Speaker 5>and to live in lonely hotel rooms for the next

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<v Speaker 5>you know, however, many years. Maybe that sort of like

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<v Speaker 5>lack of nudging the kids out the nest is do

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I don't think we have a real long

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<v Speaker 5>term evidence to support this, but for athletes, but is

1:11:05.920 --> 1:11:09.360
<v Speaker 5>like stunting some of that, like, hey, like you're missing

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<v Speaker 5>what a huge development year that could have pushed you

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<v Speaker 5>towards greatness.

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<v Speaker 3>I could also just throw in I do believe that

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<v Speaker 3>the gap between the standard that's required on the PGA

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<v Speaker 3>Tour it's a little bit of a different landscape than

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five to thirty years ago, and how cutthroat and

1:11:28.439 --> 1:11:32.400
<v Speaker 3>grueling and polished that these PGA Tour players are. So

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<v Speaker 3>I do think that is at least a notch in

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<v Speaker 3>the category of like, let's it makes a little more.

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<v Speaker 3>He's twenty one, like Jackson Quiban is still twenty one.

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<v Speaker 3>I understand the point that he probably would be a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit farther ahead if you turned pro a year ago.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that is correct. I don't think it's crazy

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<v Speaker 3>to stay in school for your junior year, turn pro

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<v Speaker 3>at twenty one with full status, and then have like

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<v Speaker 3>a five six year runway before you're expected to hit

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<v Speaker 3>your prime.

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<v Speaker 4>I would just sub up my thoughts of if you

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<v Speaker 4>want to be, you know, one of the greatest to

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<v Speaker 4>do anything, comfort is the ultimate enemy of development. And

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<v Speaker 4>so you know, like I would say for most people,

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<v Speaker 4>like stay in school, but if you want to be

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<v Speaker 4>truly exceptional, the worst thing you can ever ever do

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<v Speaker 4>is feel comfort.

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<v Speaker 1>Oka deep thoughts.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, my last my last one.

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<v Speaker 4>This can be really brief a story that I continue,

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<v Speaker 4>I hope just continues for the rest of the golf season,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe for the rest of eternity. Is briceon to Shambeau

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<v Speaker 4>using Gemini as a swing instructor.

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<v Speaker 2>This, this to me is just amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>You know how like JT holds up his phone and

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<v Speaker 4>shows everybody his goals for the year, and that became

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<v Speaker 4>at net. I just like to see a lens into

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<v Speaker 4>into Bryson's Jebedi chat history.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, I don't know that you would.

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<v Speaker 5>But why does Bryson have a deal with Google Gemini?

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<v Speaker 5>First of all, because.

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<v Speaker 6>Sportsbox AI he did. He did purchase that company.

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph, what do you think about this? Like, what what

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<v Speaker 1>prompts would you have to put into uh.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, an l LAM or whatever to get swing

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<v Speaker 5>thoughts that would sort of fix your swing?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I just I cannot fathom this.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean to be fair to Bryson, which is the

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<v Speaker 3>start of a sentence. I didn't know that that I

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<v Speaker 3>would find myself saying I don't think Bryson was using

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<v Speaker 3>it as a swing instructor. He was trying to get

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<v Speaker 3>some physics principles out of it, like what generates torque?

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<v Speaker 3>And he was he was prompting it with physics based questions.

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<v Speaker 3>Whether or not that's effective or a good use of

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<v Speaker 3>his time, totally separate question. I think AI is very,

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<v Speaker 3>very far from where they could look at a golf

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<v Speaker 3>swing and determine what's going wrong, especially considering that I

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<v Speaker 3>think there's a lot of descent among swing instructors on

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<v Speaker 3>what could be going wrong and how you should handle it.

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<v Speaker 3>And AI is not advanced past complicated issues among experts

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<v Speaker 3>like it has to be trained on something. So no,

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<v Speaker 3>I think I think Bryson is super far from being

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<v Speaker 3>able to leverage AI for his swing and to get

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<v Speaker 3>swing thoughts. But I think he was trying to understand

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<v Speaker 3>torque and whatever he was talking about. I'm sure that

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<v Speaker 3>Gemini can answer some of those questions. But what a

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<v Speaker 3>natural pairing. Like how obvious was it that Bryson's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be the AI golfer And over the next four

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<v Speaker 3>to five years we're going to hear so much about

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<v Speaker 3>course management and AI from Bryson, and when he wins,

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<v Speaker 3>he's going to credit AI. This was the most obvious

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<v Speaker 3>development in golf.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought it was pretty hilarious when you know, the

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<v Speaker 5>live media always makes me laugh because it's it's like

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<v Speaker 5>North Korean propaganda stuff, these people who sit in these

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<v Speaker 5>press conferences, like you know, over in Korea. And so

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<v Speaker 5>somebody asked him, you know, boy, people really hang on

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<v Speaker 5>every word that you say, like does it ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like shock you?

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<v Speaker 5>And right it's like, oh yeah, yeah, like obviously, like

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<v Speaker 5>guess you know, but I just love the game so much.

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<v Speaker 5>I love it more than my life, you know, and

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<v Speaker 5>it's it felt a little bit like some direct you

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<v Speaker 5>know response it to like what you know, me among

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<v Speaker 5>other people were writing about some of this crazy interview

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<v Speaker 5>that he gave with with Katie Miller and her podcast

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<v Speaker 5>or whatever, and just you know, the idea that he

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<v Speaker 5>lives a little bit of a lonely existence. Like, it

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't surprise me that Bryson would get invested in the

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<v Speaker 5>AI world because it's like someone immediately giving you feedback,

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<v Speaker 5>giving you the exact thing that you are searching for

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<v Speaker 5>and craving.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, it's funny. I was thinking a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about my third one.

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<v Speaker 5>We don't really have to spend time in it, but

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<v Speaker 5>was Victor Hoblind And just you know, is Victor like

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<v Speaker 5>Yesper Parnovic, like someone who's super talented and had this

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<v Speaker 5>moment where he was like one of the best players

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<v Speaker 5>in the world, but then his idiosyncrasies and his crazy

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<v Speaker 5>like kind of slowly eroded that until he sort of

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<v Speaker 5>became like a cautionary tale. It's actually probably Bryson. It's

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<v Speaker 5>more likely to be this generation's yes Per Parnovic, like someone.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's just so.

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<v Speaker 5>Diving into yet another weird rabbit hole that's so different

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<v Speaker 5>from the rest of the thing and thinks keeps telling himself,

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<v Speaker 5>this is the way to change the world, change golf,

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<v Speaker 5>and really like it's kind of pushing you further and

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<v Speaker 5>further from what made you great.

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<v Speaker 4>I think there's just a genuine with Bryson interest thing.

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<v Speaker 4>I think Victor's going down rabbit holes and like for me,

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<v Speaker 4>Bryson's kind of peaks and valleys are like when is

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<v Speaker 4>tournament golf his main focus?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I also I think in the be interesting to see

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<v Speaker 3>how Bryson reflects on this when his career is over.

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<v Speaker 3>I do think some people in this speed revolution lost

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit of sight of some of the trade offs,

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<v Speaker 3>and that when you pick up a lot of speed,

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<v Speaker 3>if you can do it through just optimizing your driver

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<v Speaker 3>and your launch conditions and not really changing your swing,

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<v Speaker 3>then that's a pretty effective way to pick up some shots.

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<v Speaker 3>If you do it by really aggressively speed training and

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<v Speaker 3>picking up speed with your swing, the impact that that's

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<v Speaker 3>going to have on your iron play, I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>is something to dismiss. And I think for a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of guys, and Bryson included, it was this is like

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<v Speaker 3>risk free, there's no cost. I'm picking up shots on

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<v Speaker 3>the field. I'm picking up shots on the field. Won

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<v Speaker 3>the US Open, got validation out of that, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think now that he's basically five years removed from that

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<v Speaker 3>and still struggling with his iron play. And it's even

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<v Speaker 3>gone downhill, you're gapping gets bigger, he continues to struggle

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<v Speaker 3>with his irons. I think there's a little bit of

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<v Speaker 3>a story in there that maybe some of this distance

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<v Speaker 3>gain wasn't as cost free as some of these people thought.

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<v Speaker 3>And I would put Bryson in that.

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<v Speaker 6>Camp my last one.

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<v Speaker 3>And I know we're running a little long here, so

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be quick. I think the dynamic of Brian Rollapp

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<v Speaker 3>trying facing pressure on both sides from the sports media

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<v Speaker 3>market and also from his contingency of PGA Tour players

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<v Speaker 3>one of the most fascinating dynamics in sports. Having an

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<v Speaker 3>executive come in from outside of golf. Who I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>he's probably one on the very short list of most

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<v Speaker 3>equipped people to handle what the PGA Tour is facing

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<v Speaker 3>with an NFL rights deal coming up, and potentially he's

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<v Speaker 3>going to have to go back to his players and

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<v Speaker 3>say pursues are shrinking if some of these companies don't

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<v Speaker 3>have enough money to pay for professional golf after the

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<v Speaker 3>NFL renegotiates it's deal. Guys like Patrick Cantlay telling Brian

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<v Speaker 3>Rollapp we don't want things to change and wanting to

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<v Speaker 3>have a full event schedule. I think watching Brian rollapp

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<v Speaker 3>navigate this puzzle is probably going to be one of

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<v Speaker 3>the most fascinating parts Gulf over the next five years.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I the role up thing is you know he he

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<v Speaker 4>laid out in his presser and obviously you know, this

1:19:11.360 --> 1:19:16.000
<v Speaker 4>is a huge story to watch, just the rights landscape,

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<v Speaker 4>how much money is available and what the NBA. The

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<v Speaker 4>NBA got this crazy deal that took up a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of the share of the rights, the sports rights, you

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<v Speaker 4>know kind of pot and the NFL jumping up to

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<v Speaker 4>say we're renegotiating, and you know they're expected to basically

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<v Speaker 4>take what's left.

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<v Speaker 2>What does that leave the PGA tour.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I would think that getting some of the streamer

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<v Speaker 5>people involved, whether it's Netflix or Amazon or Apple like

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<v Speaker 5>that might be the we might you know, remember you

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<v Speaker 5>got you guys probably not be like old enough to

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<v Speaker 5>remember this, Andy, maybe you. But when the NFL likes

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<v Speaker 5>to deal with Fox Sports would reflect is Fox TV.

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<v Speaker 5>It was a huge deal because not everyone in America

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<v Speaker 5>had Fox and it was like, oh that what has

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<v Speaker 5>changed here that the NFL will no longer be on

1:20:10.400 --> 1:20:13.960
<v Speaker 5>the two three big broadcast networks or whatever. We might

1:20:14.000 --> 1:20:17.840
<v Speaker 5>be trending towards a moment where like the PGA Tours

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<v Speaker 5>on Apple TV and everybody not. You're not able to

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<v Speaker 5>see the PGA Tour week to week basis because Apple

1:20:22.680 --> 1:20:25.320
<v Speaker 5>has put up so much money that they're willing to

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<v Speaker 5>be sort of like they have with soccer, like the

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<v Speaker 5>place to go to find professional golf. I don't know

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<v Speaker 5>that those things seem kind of realistic to me. If

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<v Speaker 5>you're going to have to find the money somewhere, you're

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<v Speaker 5>going to go somewhere else to get it than the

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<v Speaker 5>main broadcast networks.

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<v Speaker 3>And Brian willapped trying to negotiate that without owning a

1:20:42.080 --> 1:20:44.800
<v Speaker 3>major championship like this is in him Trump making the

1:20:44.880 --> 1:20:46.680
<v Speaker 3>push for to call on the players a major like

1:20:46.800 --> 1:20:49.559
<v Speaker 3>this is a very real dynamic that I think reflects

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<v Speaker 3>the pressure that he's feeling.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's it's going to be that whole dynamic is

1:20:56.680 --> 1:21:01.240
<v Speaker 4>is a like a fascinating story, Wow, like what do

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<v Speaker 4>you what do you do.

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 4>And how does this all shake out? And I think

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<v Speaker 4>I think generally like he's not going to be able

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<v Speaker 4>to please everybody, like the something has to give the players,

1:21:14.040 --> 1:21:17.400
<v Speaker 4>the players in their attitude towards how they interact with

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<v Speaker 4>the tour and the tours you know, kind of financial future.

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<v Speaker 2>And set up.

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<v Speaker 4>There has to be a meeting for everything to work

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<v Speaker 4>out and live in the issue. The The other thing

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<v Speaker 4>here is live dying is not going to help Brian

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<v Speaker 4>roll up achieve what he probably needs to do in

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<v Speaker 4>order to to make the tour the most successful it

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<v Speaker 4>can be.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned, all.

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