WEBVTT - Holodomor

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<v Speaker 1>and now onto the act will episode. One topic that

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<v Speaker 1>we have gotten many, many, many requests for over the

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<v Speaker 1>years is the whole Amore. Some folks have even been

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<v Speaker 1>persistent enough to write in and request this topic more

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<v Speaker 1>than one time. The whole of Moore is the name

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<v Speaker 1>that was coined in the nineteen eighties to describe a

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<v Speaker 1>famine that struck Ukraine in the early nineteen thirties. The

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<v Speaker 1>name comes from Ukrainian words that roughly translate to death

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<v Speaker 1>by hunger, and while there were famines and food shortages

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<v Speaker 1>that were taking place in other parts of the Soviet Union.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time, Soviet policies toward Ukraine specifically made

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<v Speaker 1>the situation there a whole lot worse, and they were

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<v Speaker 1>part of an intentional effort that was spearheaded by Joseph

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<v Speaker 1>Stalin to destroy Ukrainian culture and identity. This is also

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<v Speaker 1>obviously part of the historical context for Russia's invasion of

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine that started on February of this year. It is

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<v Speaker 1>also really truly horrifying, so listening to it in light

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<v Speaker 1>of those events which are ongoing that may make it

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<v Speaker 1>seem even more horrifying. So take care of yourself while

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<v Speaker 1>you're listening. So to give a little bit of background,

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<v Speaker 1>Russia and Ukraine share a lot of overlapping history, going

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<v Speaker 1>all the way back to the establishment of Kievan russ

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<v Speaker 1>in the late ninth century. Keevan Ross was the first

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<v Speaker 1>Eastern Slavic state, and today Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia all

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<v Speaker 1>trace their origins and cultural identity back to it. But

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<v Speaker 1>over the centuries, the nations, peoples, and ethnic groups that

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<v Speaker 1>would form these countries as we know them today they

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<v Speaker 1>went through very different trajectories. What's now Ukraine was repeatedly

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<v Speaker 1>divided up and assigned to other nations and empires, including Poland, Lithuania,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Austro Hungarian Empire. Aside from its westernmost regions,

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<v Speaker 1>most of Ukraine became part of the Russian Empire in seventee.

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<v Speaker 1>Regardless of which nation or empire they were considered to

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<v Speaker 1>be living in, Ukrainians had their own ethnic and cultural identity.

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<v Speaker 1>By the middle of the nineteenth century, most of what's

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<v Speaker 1>now Ukraine had come under Russian control, but by that

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<v Speaker 1>point Ukrainian had also evolved as its own standardized language.

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<v Speaker 1>Literature written in Ukrainian reflected ukrainians own cultural and ethnic identities.

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<v Speaker 1>Imperial Russia eventually started to see this developing sense of

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<v Speaker 1>language and cultural consciousness as a threat, and in the

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<v Speaker 1>late nineteenth century, Russian officials started banning the teaching of

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<v Speaker 1>Ukrainian and removing Ukrainian books from schools. The Russian Imperial

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<v Speaker 1>government was overthrown in a series of revolutions in nineteen seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bolsheviks, led by Vladimir Lenin took control, changing their

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<v Speaker 1>name to the Russian Communist Party of Bolsheviks in nineteen eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>As all of this was happening, Ukraine established a provisional

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<v Speaker 1>government and declared its independence, and for about the next

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<v Speaker 1>four years fought to keep that independence. This involved political, diplomatic,

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<v Speaker 1>and military efforts against other nations and against counter revolutionary

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<v Speaker 1>forces within its own borders. This lasted until nineteen two,

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<v Speaker 1>when Ukraine became the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, part of

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<v Speaker 1>the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. That same year, parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the Soviet Union faced a famine. This famine was

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<v Speaker 1>brought on by the political instability and warfare of the

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<v Speaker 1>previous few years, and it was made worse by a drought.

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<v Speaker 1>At first, Soviet leaders refused international aid, but eventually a

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<v Speaker 1>campaign for famine relief was underway in Soviet Russia. This

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<v Speaker 1>included suspending food taxes, but Ukraine was really facing the

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<v Speaker 1>same conditions, especially in its southern regions. Not only was

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine left out of aid programs and other relief until

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<v Speaker 1>late nineteen twenty two, but it was also expected to

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<v Speaker 1>contribute food to Russia, including contributing food from the southern

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<v Speaker 1>regions that had been most stricken by the same famine.

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<v Speaker 1>The Communist Party had also instituted a system of war communism,

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<v Speaker 1>which involved nationalizing industries and forcibly requisitioning surplus grain and

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<v Speaker 1>other food. This affected the Soviet Union as a whole,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was particularly disruptive in Ukraine, where about eight

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the population were farmers. Growing grain was a

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<v Speaker 1>central part of the Ukrainian economy and identity. Ukraine is

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<v Speaker 1>nicknamed the bread basket of Europe and its flag represents

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<v Speaker 1>a blue sky over a yellow field of wheat. Under

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<v Speaker 1>war communism, Ukraine was no longer able to sell its

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<v Speaker 1>surplus grain, and as a consequence, it's economy collapsed. Unrest

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<v Speaker 1>was widespread, and agricultural productivity roped since people didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to spend their time growing surplus grain that would just

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<v Speaker 1>be requisitioned with no compensation. Lenin introduced a new economic

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<v Speaker 1>policy in nineteen twenty one that addressed some of this,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was still a lot of anti Soviet and

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<v Speaker 1>anti communist sentiment. One step that was taken to try

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<v Speaker 1>to reverse that sentiment was a policy of indigenization. Russia

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<v Speaker 1>was by far the largest of the Soviet republics, and

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<v Speaker 1>Russians were by far the largest ethnic group, but the

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet Union was not at all monolithic, nor were the

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet republics that comprised it. This indigenization policy encouraged people

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<v Speaker 1>of different national identities and ethnic groups to really pursue

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<v Speaker 1>and develop their own cultures while still being part of

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<v Speaker 1>the Soviet Union. In Ukraine, this led to a huge

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<v Speaker 1>cultural flourishing involving literature, art, music, and language age. Newly

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<v Speaker 1>open schools taught courses in Ukrainian, with Russian treated more

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<v Speaker 1>like an elective class. The Ukrainian Autocephalis Orthodox Church became

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<v Speaker 1>independent from the Russian Orthodox Church, and its membership and

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<v Speaker 1>clergy both grew rapidly. The idea had been that encouraging

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of diversity and national identity would appease various

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<v Speaker 1>ethnic groups and it would increase their support for the

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet regime. But Lenin's successor, Joseph Stalin, found Ukraine's cultural

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<v Speaker 1>rebirth and it shift away from Russian culture and ideals

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<v Speaker 1>to be threatening. In ninety nine, he started arresting thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of Ukrainian scientists, poets, intellectuals and artists, claiming that they

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<v Speaker 1>were part of a secret organization that was plotting against Russia.

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<v Speaker 1>The Russian Orthodox Church had been opposed to the Ukrainian

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<v Speaker 1>churches independence from the start. It formally denounced the Ukrainian

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<v Speaker 1>Autocephalis or Docks Church as well, and Soviet authorities started

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<v Speaker 1>cracking down on it in nineteen twenty six. This involved

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<v Speaker 1>destroying churches and their icons, smashing church bells, arresting religious leaders,

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<v Speaker 1>and murdyring bishops. In the face of all of this,

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<v Speaker 1>the Ukrainian Orthodox Church abolished itself in nineteen thirty although

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<v Speaker 1>a smaller group of churches held on until nineteen thirty six.

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<v Speaker 1>The Ukrainian Autocephalus Orthodox Church didn't start re establishing itself

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<v Speaker 1>in Ukraine until the nineteen eighties. Another big factor leading

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<v Speaker 1>into the Holadamore was Stalin's First five Year Plan, which

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<v Speaker 1>was announced in ninety eight. This was a plan to

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<v Speaker 1>modernize and industrialize all of the Soviet Union. In terms

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<v Speaker 1>of agriculture, this would involve collectivizing the farms. Small farms

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<v Speaker 1>would become part of bigger collectives that were under state control,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would sell their crops at prices that were

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<v Speaker 1>set by the state. The idea was that this would

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<v Speaker 1>make farms more efficient, and that efficiency would allow the

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet Union to feed a larger population as it industrialized,

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<v Speaker 1>and to export more crops to bring in more revenue

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<v Speaker 1>to then buy the equipment and material that was needed

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<v Speaker 1>for that industrialization. Of course, farmers resisted this idea, and

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<v Speaker 1>there were thousands of uprisings against collectivization all across the

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<v Speaker 1>agricultural areas of the Soviet Union. Many of the poorest

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<v Speaker 1>farmers had received the land they were working in a

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<v Speaker 1>redistribution after the Russian Revolution, and now they were being

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<v Speaker 1>told to give it up. In general, people did not

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<v Speaker 1>want to go from controlling their own livelihoods to essentially

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<v Speaker 1>being employees of state run farms. The prices set by

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<v Speaker 1>the state were often lower than what people had been

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<v Speaker 1>able to sell their surplus for before, so overall the

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<v Speaker 1>farms were very slow to collectivize, leading the Communist Party

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<v Speaker 1>to start a huge push between January and March of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty and this included taxing independent farms so heavily

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<v Speaker 1>that the farmers wound up in debt and that forced

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<v Speaker 1>them to join the collective or go bankrupt. Soviet leadership

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<v Speaker 1>also targeted one particular class of farmers. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>group known as kulaks, which was a term that had

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<v Speaker 1>taken on some derisive connotations. Sometimes these people are described

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<v Speaker 1>as wealthy farmers, but to be clear, they were not

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<v Speaker 1>what most people would think of as wealthy today. The

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet government defined kulak farms as ones that brought in

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<v Speaker 1>an annual income of three hundred roubles per person or

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen hundred roubles per family, and hired farm workers are

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<v Speaker 1>owned farm machines. Being able to rent out some of

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<v Speaker 1>the farm property or having another income besides farming also

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<v Speaker 1>would fit the definition of kulak, but for comparison, the

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<v Speaker 1>average industrial worker only made about three hundred roubles per year.

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<v Speaker 1>Authorities didn't really stick strictly to this definition, and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people that were treated as kulaks had even

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<v Speaker 1>less than that. The Soviet government believed that if there

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be an organized uprising against collectivization, it

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<v Speaker 1>was probably going to start with these slightly more affluent peasants,

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<v Speaker 1>so it branded them as class enemies, claiming that they

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<v Speaker 1>were exploiting hired workers and taking advantage of their communities.

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<v Speaker 1>Authorities pursued a policy of liquidating the kulak class, or

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<v Speaker 1>decoulak azation. They arrested about fifty thou people, some of

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<v Speaker 1>whom were deported or executed. Authorities also confiscated their property

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<v Speaker 1>and their farm equipment. This was catastrophic in addition to

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<v Speaker 1>the loss of labor and production from these farms. Many

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<v Speaker 1>of these people described as kulaks were the most skilled

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<v Speaker 1>and experienced farmers in the areas they lived and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of towns and villages. They were also community leaders.

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<v Speaker 1>They were the people who really helps to hold the

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<v Speaker 1>community together. So this community resource for knowledge and support

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<v Speaker 1>just disappeared. Between the forced collectivization and the de cool

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<v Speaker 1>acquization campaign. More than two hundred and eighty thousand peasant

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<v Speaker 1>households simply vanished from Ukraine between nineteen thirty and nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one. And all of this set the stage for

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<v Speaker 1>a famine, and we're going to get into that after

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<v Speaker 1>we pause for a sponsor break. After all of the

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<v Speaker 1>factors that we talked about before the break, harvest was

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<v Speaker 1>poor across a lot of the Soviet Union. The collectivization

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<v Speaker 1>and de cool acquization process had been really disruptive, and

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<v Speaker 1>then bad weather made it worse. The collective farms also

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<v Speaker 1>had not been run particularly efficiently, even though the whole

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<v Speaker 1>point was to be more efficient. This was in part

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<v Speaker 1>because that liquidation of the koolat class had involved a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of loss of knowledge and leadership. Soviet leadership also

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<v Speaker 1>set quotas for how much grain each community was expected

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<v Speaker 1>to contribute to the collective, and in many cases those

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<v Speaker 1>quotas were just unattainably high. To even come close to

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<v Speaker 1>meeting them, farming families had to turnover grain that they

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<v Speaker 1>would normally keep for their own food supply. Although these

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<v Speaker 1>quotas existed in all of the Soviet Union's agricultural regions,

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<v Speaker 1>their effects were particularly dramatic in Ukraine, which was expected

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<v Speaker 1>to contribute about as much grain and other produce as

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<v Speaker 1>all the rest of the Soviet Union combined. In December

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<v Speaker 1>of one, Joseph Stalin's government started placing more and more

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<v Speaker 1>pressure onto these communities to meet their quotas. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the enforcement of these regulations was overseen by the

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<v Speaker 1>State Political Directorate, which is abbreviated from Russian as GPU.

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<v Speaker 1>This was kind of a combined intelligence and secret police force.

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<v Speaker 1>In internal memos about this there is an insistence that

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<v Speaker 1>the poor harvest and the failure to meet the quotas

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<v Speaker 1>was the result of a coordinated program of intentional sabotage

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<v Speaker 1>and theft that was meant to undermine the collectivization process

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<v Speaker 1>and ruin the harvest and undermine the Soviet Union as

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<v Speaker 1>a whole. So mass uprisings against collectivization, which involved everything

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<v Speaker 1>from work stoppages to destructions of machinery to violent revolts,

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<v Speaker 1>that was interpreted as a conspiracy against Soviet leadership rather

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<v Speaker 1>than as a response to all of this increasing hardship

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<v Speaker 1>and instability. This is a really destructive cycle in which

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<v Speaker 1>people were arrested, deported to Siberia or sent to a gulag,

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<v Speaker 1>and then that would spark further uprisings among the who

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<v Speaker 1>had known those folks. Uprisings and unrest continued through the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty two planting and growing season, with farmers struggling

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<v Speaker 1>to both meet their quotas and just retain enough food

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<v Speaker 1>to live on. In most cases it was flatly impossible

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<v Speaker 1>to do both, or in some cases to do either.

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<v Speaker 1>By June of ninety two, Ukrainian leaders were writing to

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<v Speaker 1>Stalin and other Soviet leaders for aid. In August, Stalin

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<v Speaker 1>wrote to his adviser Lazar Kaganovitch, saying that if they

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<v Speaker 1>did not improve the situation in Ukraine, they might lose it.

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<v Speaker 1>Grain quotas were lowered three times in nineteen thirty two,

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<v Speaker 1>but really not enough to address this situation, and the

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<v Speaker 1>quota reductions were also more about trying to keep the

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<v Speaker 1>system of agriculture running, not about a humanitarian impulse. Were

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<v Speaker 1>the people who were doing that. Even with those reductions,

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine was still expected to contribute about of its grain

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<v Speaker 1>to the state. Punishments for failing to meet the reduced

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<v Speaker 1>quotas also became a lot harsher, and the other policies

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<v Speaker 1>that were contributing to the famine, like this continuing push

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<v Speaker 1>for collectivization and the ongoing liquidation of the Kulak class,

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<v Speaker 1>none of that changed. A new decree called the five

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<v Speaker 1>Stocks of Grain Decree went into effect in August of

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<v Speaker 1>ninety two. Under this law, theft of state property was

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<v Speaker 1>punishable by ten years in prison or death, and this

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<v Speaker 1>meant that people who stole food because they were starving

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<v Speaker 1>could be executed for it, no matter how little food

0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:41.520
<v Speaker 1>they stole. This applied to everyone, even children. It also

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<v Speaker 1>applied to people who went through fields that had already

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<v Speaker 1>been harvested to glean anything that was left to save

0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:53.560
<v Speaker 1>themselves from starvation. More than fifty thousand people were charged

0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:56.800
<v Speaker 1>with violating this decree, and more than two thousand of

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<v Speaker 1>them were executed. Although the five stocks grain decree applied

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<v Speaker 1>all across the Soviet Union, the vast majority of people

0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:08.160
<v Speaker 1>who were arrested were from Ukraine. Because of the truly

0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:13.640
<v Speaker 1>dire situation there. In the fall of two, Soviet leadership

0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:17.120
<v Speaker 1>started blacklisting towns and villages that failed to meet their

0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:22.200
<v Speaker 1>grain Quotas. Blacklisted towns were banned from receiving food and

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<v Speaker 1>from buying basic necessities like salt or kerosene. More than

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<v Speaker 1>a third of the towns in Ukraine were blacklisted. So

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<v Speaker 1>to some all this up Joseph Stalin's policies had created

0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:39.040
<v Speaker 1>the conditions that sparked the famine, then made the famine worse,

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<v Speaker 1>and punished its victims for being the victims of famine.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, many farmers started trying to leave Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 1>either to buy food from one of its neighbors or

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<v Speaker 1>just to relocate entirely in the hope of finding a

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<v Speaker 1>better life, and of course Soviet leadership did not want

0:18:56.760 --> 0:19:00.200
<v Speaker 1>this to happen because Ukraine was the Soviet Union's largeist

0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:04.080
<v Speaker 1>food producer, But instead of taking steps to address the

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<v Speaker 1>escalating famine in Ukraine, which again was being worsened by

0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:12.840
<v Speaker 1>unreachable food quotas. Soviet leadership worked to stop Ukrainian farmers

0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:18.040
<v Speaker 1>from leaving. In October, about a hundred thousand Communist Party

0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:22.880
<v Speaker 1>representatives and military personnel were dispatched to Ukraine, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as to the Northern Caucasus and the Volga Basin to

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<v Speaker 1>conduct house to house searches to make up for the

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<v Speaker 1>shortfall in the quotas. During these searches, they confiscated any

0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:37.320
<v Speaker 1>grain or flower or their food that they found. People

0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:42.440
<v Speaker 1>started selling whatever they had wedding rings, household goods, furniture,

0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:45.239
<v Speaker 1>their tools, just to try to buy back some of

0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:49.400
<v Speaker 1>their own produce to eat. Calls for aid to Ukraine

0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:53.520
<v Speaker 1>became increasingly desperate, but in ninety two, more than four

0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:57.080
<v Speaker 1>million tons of grain were taken from Ukraine, enough to

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<v Speaker 1>feed more than twelve million people for a year. Moscow

0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:04.160
<v Speaker 1>exported more than a million tons of green to other

0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:08.119
<v Speaker 1>countries and held enough green in reserves to feed at

0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:12.080
<v Speaker 1>least ten million people. Yet all over the Soviet Union

0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:18.359
<v Speaker 1>people were starving, especially in Ukraine. In December of ninety two,

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<v Speaker 1>still tied to the idea that a huge conspiracy was

0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:27.959
<v Speaker 1>intentionally undermining agriculture in Ukraine, Soviet authorities started a series

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<v Speaker 1>of mass arrests of people who were accused of being

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<v Speaker 1>involved in secret paramilitary organizations. These organizations did exist. They

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<v Speaker 1>included the Ukrainian Military Organization or u v O and

0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:44.439
<v Speaker 1>the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists or oh u N, but

0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:49.000
<v Speaker 1>this alleged involvement was really being used as a justification

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<v Speaker 1>for mass arrests without actually offering any proof that the

0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:58.879
<v Speaker 1>arrested person had any ties whatsoever to these organizations. In

0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:02.720
<v Speaker 1>January of nine thirty three, Pavel post Yachev arrived in

0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:07.479
<v Speaker 1>Ukraine as Stalin's personal representative and implemented a series of

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<v Speaker 1>massive purges, removing Ukrainians from positions of leadership and replacing

0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:16.359
<v Speaker 1>them with Russians. On New Year's Day of nineteen thirty three,

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<v Speaker 1>an amnesty was announced for anyone who turned in stolen

0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:24.479
<v Speaker 1>or hidden grain. The implication was that anyone who didn't

0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:28.639
<v Speaker 1>turn in any grain was clearly hiding something. The house

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<v Speaker 1>to house searches that had started in October intensified, with

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<v Speaker 1>anything that could be eaten being confiscated, including seed crops

0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:41.000
<v Speaker 1>meant to be planted the next season, and people's pets.

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<v Speaker 1>In late January of three, Joseph Stalin and Lazarre Molotov

0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:50.840
<v Speaker 1>ordered the Ukrainian borders to be sealed. Efforts had already

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<v Speaker 1>been underway to keep Ukrainian farmers from leaving, but this

0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:59.240
<v Speaker 1>measure also kept people from entering Ukraine, so people couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>leave to buy food. That's also kept word of the

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<v Speaker 1>famine from spreading, and it kept any kind of relief

0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:10.480
<v Speaker 1>from being brought into Ukraine. An internal passport system was

0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:15.400
<v Speaker 1>implemented for travel within Ukraine as well, but farmers were

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<v Speaker 1>not allowed to have them, so in addition to being

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<v Speaker 1>unable to leave Ukraine to find work or food, they

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<v Speaker 1>also couldn't try to move to a city or a

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<v Speaker 1>different rural area where things might not be so dire.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though other parts of the Soviet Union were also

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<v Speaker 1>experiencing a famine, Ukraine was the only Soviet republic where

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<v Speaker 1>these measures were in place. In late January of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three, the Pullit Bureau, which was the Communist Party's

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<v Speaker 1>supreme policy making body, resolved that the Ukrainian Communist Party

0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:52.119
<v Speaker 1>had failed to carry out its duties. Pavl Postazev was

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<v Speaker 1>named the new head of the party, he implemented another

0:22:56.359 --> 0:23:01.560
<v Speaker 1>wave of purges of Ukrainian intellectuals, cultural figures, and party leaders,

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<v Speaker 1>again replacing the people who were removed from their positions

0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:08.080
<v Speaker 1>with Russians. Many of those who had been arrested and

0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:13.760
<v Speaker 1>imprisoned in earlier years were executed. Ukrainian Communist leader Michoelas

0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Krupnik took his own life in July three rather than

0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:20.919
<v Speaker 1>go through a show trial connected to all these purges.

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<v Speaker 1>A month earlier, Ukrainian poet and writer Michael Kulvi took

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<v Speaker 1>his own life in protest, feeling that that was the

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<v Speaker 1>only action left open to him. The deadliest months of

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<v Speaker 1>the dam Or were in early nineteen thirty three. During

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<v Speaker 1>this time, it is estimated that a thousand people were

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<v Speaker 1>starving to death in Ukraine every single hour. People died

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<v Speaker 1>of starvation while waiting in line for bread, with those

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<v Speaker 1>lines often being thousands of people long. As crops grew

0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:54.919
<v Speaker 1>in the early spring of nineteen thirty three, people died

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<v Speaker 1>while trying to eat unripe grain uncooked in the fields.

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<v Speaker 1>Parents abandoned their children close to cities, hoping that city

0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:05.520
<v Speaker 1>dwellers with more access to food might take them in.

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<v Speaker 1>Survivors accounts are full of just absolutely desperate steps that

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<v Speaker 1>people took to try to stay alive. Eventually, so many

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<v Speaker 1>people were dying that wagons were sent house to house

0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:22.680
<v Speaker 1>to collect the dead. The wagons were drawn by horses,

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<v Speaker 1>which had to be fed at night and in secret,

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise starving people would understandably mob the stables trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get the horses food. Many many farm animals died of

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<v Speaker 1>starvation during this period as well, because there was no

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<v Speaker 1>grain to feed them with, and there was also a

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<v Speaker 1>wave of just appalling and brutal crimes, including cannibalism, committed

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<v Speaker 1>by people who had reached a point of having to

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<v Speaker 1>do just anything possible to find something to eat. Throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the late nineteen twenties and early nineteen thirties, the focus

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<v Speaker 1>of the mass arrests and purges had mainly been men

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<v Speaker 1>that men that often them, and where the people trying

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<v Speaker 1>to hold their families and their communities together as the

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<v Speaker 1>wolodamor peaked. Survivors of the famine have described women trying

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<v Speaker 1>to find and store whatever food they could, and trying

0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:14.720
<v Speaker 1>to turn things that would be considered to be inedible,

0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:18.080
<v Speaker 1>like leather and horse hides and dried leaves and twigs

0:25:18.600 --> 0:25:23.800
<v Speaker 1>into food. Women also formed mutual aid organizations and banded

0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:27.320
<v Speaker 1>together to try to guard communities food stores, or to

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<v Speaker 1>fight back against food confiscations and arrests. The Soviet government

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:36.200
<v Speaker 1>took steps to try to cover up the famine. Russian

0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:40.439
<v Speaker 1>propaganda films depicted Ukraine as a happy and bountiful place,

0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:44.720
<v Speaker 1>as professional journalists and ordinary citizens risk their lives trying

0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:49.160
<v Speaker 1>to document what was happening. Foreign journalists and dignitaries were

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<v Speaker 1>allowed into the Soviet Union, but they were given very

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<v Speaker 1>tightly controlled tours that made it look like everything was

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<v Speaker 1>under control. A small number of journalists did manage to

0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:03.240
<v Speaker 1>publish articles on what was really going on. One was

0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:07.240
<v Speaker 1>Welsh journalist Gareth Jones, who published multiple articles on the

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<v Speaker 1>famine in ninety two and nineteen thirty three. The Soviet

0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:16.280
<v Speaker 1>Union published extensive rebuttals to this reporting, insisting that everything

0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:19.080
<v Speaker 1>was fine and that reports of a famine were simply

0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:25.200
<v Speaker 1>anti Soviet propaganda. Even journalists outside the Soviet Union questioned

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<v Speaker 1>or dismissed Jones's reports. Walter Duranti of The New York Times,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, stated that he quote thought Mr. Jones's judgment

0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:38.200
<v Speaker 1>was somewhat hasty. Jones was ultimately forbidden from being allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to re enter the Soviet Union, and he was murdered

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<v Speaker 1>in Japanese occupied Mongolia in ninety five. Yeah, there were

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<v Speaker 1>there were some other journalists as well who were able

0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:53.320
<v Speaker 1>to publish accurate accounts, some of it later, like later

0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:57.159
<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen thirties. We'll get more into the aftermath

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<v Speaker 1>of all of this. After another quick sponsor break, the

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<v Speaker 1>Holidamora came to an end as crops were harvested in

0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:15.520
<v Speaker 1>three and more people were allowed to keep enough of

0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:20.080
<v Speaker 1>that harvest to feed themselves. Accurate death records were not

0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:24.040
<v Speaker 1>kept during the famine, though, so there are multiple estimates

0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:27.560
<v Speaker 1>of how many people died. The most commonly cited figures

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<v Speaker 1>today are about five million deaths across the Soviet Union,

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<v Speaker 1>with about four million of those happening in Ukraine, but

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:39.359
<v Speaker 1>some estimates are a lot higher, as many as ten

0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:43.040
<v Speaker 1>million total deaths, with seven million of those deaths in Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 1>It's estimated that more than ten percent of the population

0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:51.680
<v Speaker 1>of Ukraine died in the Holidamor, with a much higher

0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:55.800
<v Speaker 1>death toll in some communities. This, combined with the intentional

0:27:55.880 --> 0:27:59.680
<v Speaker 1>arrests and purges of Ukrainian leaders, intellectuals, artists, and cultural

0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:02.960
<v Speaker 1>figure to just have a devastating effect on the nation

0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:07.600
<v Speaker 1>and its identity. In February of nineteen thirty four, Ukrainian

0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:11.919
<v Speaker 1>writer Boris and Tanenko Davidovich wrote quote, at the present time,

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:15.359
<v Speaker 1>there is no Ukrainian culture, and if there is, it

0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:19.480
<v Speaker 1>is the corpse of Ukrainian culture, because the entire Ukrainian

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:24.720
<v Speaker 1>intelligentsia and its culture are in exile. Although the Soviet

0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:28.119
<v Speaker 1>Union had tried relentlessly to cover up the famine, it

0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:31.959
<v Speaker 1>was really impossible to keep it completely secret. But in

0:28:32.040 --> 0:28:35.440
<v Speaker 1>spite of that, there was not really an international response

0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:38.640
<v Speaker 1>to what was going on at the time. Discussions of

0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:41.880
<v Speaker 1>the famine in the international community generally framed it as

0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:45.040
<v Speaker 1>an internal matter for the Soviet Union and not something

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:48.880
<v Speaker 1>that called for some sort of international consequences. The United

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:53.560
<v Speaker 1>States recognized the Soviet government on November sixteenth, nineteen thirty three,

0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 1>more than a decade after the Soviet Union was first established.

0:28:57.360 --> 0:28:59.640
<v Speaker 1>The Soviet Union also became a member of the League

0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:04.040
<v Speaker 1>of Natans in nineteen thirty four. Purges and arrests also

0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:09.640
<v Speaker 1>continued into nineteen thirty four, including replacing Ukrainian leaders with Russians.

0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Russians were also recruited to repopulate parts of Ukraine that

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<v Speaker 1>had been most affected by the famine. Some of these

0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:21.160
<v Speaker 1>people were volunteers who returned to Russia after about a year,

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>but this was part of an ongoing effort to transfer

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 1>more people who were ethnically Russian into Ukraine. The Soviet

0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:32.520
<v Speaker 1>cover up of the famine also continued for years. In

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:35.200
<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty seven, there was a census that made it

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<v Speaker 1>obvious that something terrible had happened in Ukraine. Joseph Stalin

0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:42.520
<v Speaker 1>suppressed the census and then had the committee that had

0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:46.320
<v Speaker 1>carried it out executed. Soviet efforts to cover up the

0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:50.480
<v Speaker 1>famine and to break apart Ukrainian culture and society ended

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:55.880
<v Speaker 1>only after Nazi Germany invaded in nineteen forty one. At first,

0:29:56.120 --> 0:29:59.520
<v Speaker 1>many people in Ukraine saw this as a liberation, both

0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:02.040
<v Speaker 1>because of the horrors they had endured at the hands

0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:06.280
<v Speaker 1>of the predominantly Russian Soviet leadership during the famine and

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:11.240
<v Speaker 1>the ongoing oppression and dismantling of Ukrainian culture. Some people

0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 1>also thought that because Germany and the USSR were enemies,

0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 1>Germany would be on the side of Ukrainian independence. Germany

0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:24.680
<v Speaker 1>used these perceptions to its own ends, including using inspections

0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:27.960
<v Speaker 1>of mass graves from the famine to deflect from its

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<v Speaker 1>own crimes, But of course the Nazi invasion brought its

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<v Speaker 1>own horrific incidents to Ukraine. Nazi policies were the same

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<v Speaker 1>in Ukraine as they were in any other territory that

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<v Speaker 1>the Nazis occupied. This included the massacre at bobby Ar

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<v Speaker 1>that began on September. More than thirty three thousand Jews

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<v Speaker 1>were killed in this massacre, and the ravine where it

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<v Speaker 1>happened was the site of additional massacres and mass burials

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<v Speaker 1>over the remainder of the war. Somewhere between a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and a hundred and fifty thousand Jews, prisoners of

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<v Speaker 1>war and Ukrainian nationalists were killed and buried in mass

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<v Speaker 1>graves there before the war ended. After World War Two,

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<v Speaker 1>the Soviet Union continued to refuse to acknowledge or discuss

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<v Speaker 1>the famine of nineteen thirty two and nineteen thirty three.

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<v Speaker 1>Survivors in Ukraine, of course knew about it, as did

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<v Speaker 1>Ukrainians living elsewhere, but the Kremlin denied that it had

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<v Speaker 1>happened for more than fifty years. Soviet research into the famine,

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<v Speaker 1>starting in the nineteen fifties and sixties, was meant to

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<v Speaker 1>try to disprove that it had ever happened, and to

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<v Speaker 1>provide evidence that it had really all been propaganda cooked

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<v Speaker 1>up by Ukrainian nationalists and bourgeois expatriots. The famine wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>totally unknown outside the USSR and Ukrainian immigrant communities, though.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, in nineteen fifty three, past podcast subject Raphael Lampkin,

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<v Speaker 1>who coined the term genocide, gave a speech at a

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<v Speaker 1>New York commemoration of the famine. He also published this

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<v Speaker 1>speech as an article titled Soviet Genocide in Ukraine. In

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<v Speaker 1>this he walked through why he believed Russia's destruction of

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine was genocide, incorporating a four pronged plan that included

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<v Speaker 1>the destruction of the Ukrainian intelligentsia, the destruction of the

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<v Speaker 1>Ukrainian Orthodox Church, the starvation of Ukrainian farmers, and the

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<v Speaker 1>replacement of Ukrainian population with non Ukrainians from Russia and

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<v Speaker 1>elsewhere in the Soviet Union. More accurate, scholarly and popular

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<v Speaker 1>articles about the Holodomor began to be published in the

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<v Speaker 1>early nineteen eighties, right around the fiftieth anniversary of the famine.

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<v Speaker 1>Public statements on the subject increased after the nineteen eighties

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<v Speaker 1>six Chernobyl disaster, including people pointing out earlier Soviet efforts

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<v Speaker 1>to cover up a disaster. The Soviet Union's first official

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledgement of the famine came in nineteen eighties seven. The

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<v Speaker 1>Ukrainian Communist Party also formally acknowledged it on December twenty five,

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<v Speaker 1>Night seven, which was the anniversary of the founding of

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<v Speaker 1>the Ukrainian Soviet Republic. More information became available about the

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<v Speaker 1>whole damore after the collapse of the Soviet Union in nine,

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<v Speaker 1>at which point Ukraine again became an independent nation. Much

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<v Speaker 1>of the ongoing historical analysis of the Holodamar has taken

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<v Speaker 1>place in Ukrainian immigrant communities in North America. Harvard University

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<v Speaker 1>is home to the Harvard Ukrainian Research Institute, which was

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<v Speaker 1>founded in nineteen seventy three with support from Ukrainian Americans. Alberta, Canada,

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<v Speaker 1>is home to the lad More Research and Education Consortium,

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<v Speaker 1>which was established in On November two thousand and six,

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<v Speaker 1>the Ukrainian Parliament passed an Act defining the Holadamor as

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<v Speaker 1>an act of genocide, and since then at least fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>other nations have also formally done the same. Lad More

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<v Speaker 1>Remembrance Day is observed in Ukraine and around the world

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<v Speaker 1>on the fourth Saturday of November. Uh, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>the whole of moral Uh. In lieu of listener mail today,

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<v Speaker 1>It feels a little weird to end this podcast with

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<v Speaker 1>that announcement in this particular episode, but uh, we have

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<v Speaker 1>no other no other episodes coming out before the live

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<v Speaker 1>stream is happening. Yes, sometimes that is just how the

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