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Speaker 1: What's happened you do these focus groups? I want to

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Speaker 1: know what they're telling you. They are all so excited

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Speaker 1: for Nicki Haley.

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Speaker 3: If only if only the centrist dreams of my heart

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Speaker 3: were coming true and the Republican Party was abandoning Trump

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Speaker 3: and going for that old school Paul Nikki Haley. But no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: Mostly what we hear about Nikki Haley from folks is

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Speaker 3: they don't trust her, which I don't know.

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Speaker 4: To me is always sort of well, I don't know,

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Speaker 4: she's a uterus.

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't laugh, because this is how democracy dies. But

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Speaker 1: it is kind of amazing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I mean, look, actually, i think there is

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Speaker 3: And I've actually been shocked by how many people have

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Speaker 3: said in the focus groups that they just don't see

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Speaker 3: themselves voting for a woman. I mean genuinely surprised. Very

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Speaker 3: little surprises me anymore, but I've been surprised by that.

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Speaker 3: But actually, I think the main reason that she is

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Speaker 3: not more of a fan favorite with these voters is

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Speaker 3: that they don't like these pre Trump Republicans, and Nikki

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Speaker 3: Haley to them represents a Republican party that they have

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Speaker 3: come to not just a shoe, not just put aside,

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Speaker 3: but actively hate. Donald Trump really taught them to hate

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Speaker 3: what they call, you know, establishment politicians, and she is

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Speaker 3: to them the ultimate establishment politician. She is somebody who

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Speaker 3: in an old Republican party, her foreign policy experience would

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Speaker 2: You saw her.

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Speaker 3: She's had to come out and say to them, my

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Speaker 3: people to go to war because my husband's But she

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Speaker 3: has to defend herself against that because she's hearing it

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Speaker 2: She's a rhino.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's nice that Nikki is the last

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Speaker 3: it's actually bad for her.

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Speaker 4: Vivid to the it's underappreciated. I think there was a

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Speaker 3: People are like, well, the field needs to consolidate around somebody,

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Speaker 3: And I think that would have been true if the

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Speaker 3: the field is consolidating around Trump. Because if you add

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Speaker 3: like eighty five percent of the party. Right, There's just

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Speaker 3: And I think that Nikki Haley and Mike Pence, Chris

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really good point, and it's funny because

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Speaker 1: Trump has sort of raped this a little bit too.

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Speaker 3: One, the rules were actually changed in twenty twelve in

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, you alienate like talented people, and like

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Speaker 1: And I want to ask you, like, is someone who

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Speaker 1: And then also there's like the security. Now, can you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly what you say, what you just said is

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Speaker 2: Totally. No Trump can absolutely win.

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Speaker 1: I see your point, and we can we can be

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Speaker 1: Kareem. Jean Pierre is the White House Press Secretary. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to Fast Politics. What is your title as press secretary?

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Speaker 1: Do people call you like madam secretary?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 2: Right, it's so funny.

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Speaker 4: I have people who call me madam Press secretary, Madam

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Speaker 2: It is very very interesting.

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Speaker 1: There's got to be like a protocol, right.

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Speaker 4: I have no idea. If there is, I don't know

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Speaker 4: What we've been seeing since twenty twenty two, since the

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Speaker 4: is this, the contrast between what we're seeing the Bien

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Speaker 4: Harris administration and the Republican elected officials is so clear.

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Speaker 4: Right we are standing the president, this president, President Biden

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Speaker 4: and Vice President Harris, and this entire administration is standing

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Speaker 4: with majority of Americans right. Majority of Americans want their

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Speaker 4: rights protected. Majority of Americans want to see women have

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Speaker 4: the ability to make these really deeply difficult decisions on

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Speaker 4: their bodies and medical decisions. Obviously, they want to see that.

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Speaker 4: We saw that coming out of the mid term elections

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty two, we saw that coming out of

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Speaker 4: the elections in twenty twenty three. That's what they want.

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Speaker 4: And so Republican elected officials are standing against that. They're

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Speaker 4: not standing on the right side of history. And if

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Speaker 4: you look at the statistics and the data of what

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Speaker 4: we're seeing just across the country, you're looking at twenty

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Speaker 4: one states have abortion bands. In effect, it affects twenty

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Speaker 4: seven million women right of reproductive age right now who

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Speaker 4: live in the states with abortion bands. You have nearly

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Speaker 4: one in three women would need to be able to

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Speaker 4: travel in hour both ways to seek abortion care. You

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Speaker 4: have over three hundred and eighty state bills restricting access

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Speaker 4: to abortion care were introduced just last year Congression Republicans

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Speaker 4: have introduced three national bands. And so these are extreme

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Speaker 4: and these anti abortion extreme bands hurt women of color

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Speaker 4: in particular. I'm sure we've talked about that. Moly, when

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Speaker 4: you think about black and Indigenous women are already two

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Speaker 4: to three times more likely to die from pregnancy related

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Speaker 4: causes that white women. You think about the six point

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Speaker 4: five million Latinos, which is like forty two percent of

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Speaker 4: all Latinas ages fifteen to forty nine live in those

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Speaker 4: twenty six states. So it has all it has done

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Speaker 4: is provided chaos and confusion across the country. It is

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Speaker 4: incredibly dangerous. These warring stories about women who have a miscarriage.

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Speaker 4: They're experiencing a miscarriage and they can't get the care

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Speaker 4: that they need. They're turned away from emergency rooms, and

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Speaker 4: you know, they nearly die of blood loss. And so

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Speaker 4: this should not be happening in America, but this is

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Speaker 4: what's happening. This is what's happening in this country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so maternal fetal health for black women in this country,

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Speaker 1: our numbers are embarrassing, I mean astonishing for an affluent country.

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Speaker 1: I know that this has been something you've talked about.

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Speaker 1: Vice President has talked about like the amount of like

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Speaker 1: medical racism that is baked into the system is sort

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Speaker 1: of shocking. I was wondering if you could talk about

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Speaker 1: that for a minute.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it is very high among women of color, black

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Speaker 4: women in particular. You've seen Congress actually put a legislation

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Speaker 4: to deal with this about two years ago, I believe.

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Speaker 4: And so because this is such a huge issue.

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Speaker 2: So if you think about.

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Speaker 4: Those numbers were high before Row was overturned. Now you

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Speaker 4: have a situation where Roe is overturned. So it's even

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Speaker 4: more dangerous now for women of color. And so look,

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Speaker 4: this is something as you mentioned. You know, the Vice

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Speaker 4: President kicked off her tour on Reproductive Freedom's tours. She

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Speaker 4: kicked it off in Wisconsin yesterday, which is kind of

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Speaker 4: ground zero for the fight for reproductive freedom. And what's

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Speaker 4: happening right now how that state legislature wants to push

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Speaker 4: a pretty restrictive ban.

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Speaker 1: Will you talk our listeners through exactly what's happening in Wisconsin,

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Speaker 1: because I think it's important. There are a lot of

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Speaker 1: states where you have a democratic governor. So can you

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Speaker 1: just Yeah, the machinations there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'll talk a little bit about that. But

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Speaker 4: as I as I stated yesterday, she kicked off her

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Speaker 4: she kicked off her tour in Wisconsin. She's going to

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Speaker 4: be going to other states to really lift up what's

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Speaker 4: going on posts Will Row and these attacks on women's

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Speaker 4: women's right to make decisions, as we all know, on

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Speaker 4: their own healthcare. So, following Dobbs, Republicans elected officials they

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Speaker 4: fought and are continuing their fight right to enforce these

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Speaker 4: extreme abortion ban and that's what we're seeing. And so

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Speaker 4: if you look at Wisconsin, these bands are from like

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Speaker 4: eighteen forty nine and it includes no exceptions, including in

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Speaker 4: cases of rape or incest. And so that's what the

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Speaker 4: Vice President went to Wisconsin to talk about, these dangerous

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Speaker 4: attempt to continue to curtail reproductive rights and how is

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Speaker 4: it impacted patients women and also doctors. Let's not forget

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Speaker 4: doctors are also being put in horrible positions because all

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Speaker 4: they're doing is trying to do their jobs. And so

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Speaker 4: women in Wisconsin being forced to travel to different states

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Speaker 4: for care, and clinics being forced to close their doors.

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Speaker 4: And if you think about what Republicans did last week

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Speaker 4: in the States, Republican officials they proposed another new abortion ban.

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Speaker 4: So that's what the Vice President went to do in

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Speaker 4: Wisconsin to highlight that, to take it directly, take it

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Speaker 4: directly to the state legislature. And that's what we're seeing.

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Speaker 4: We're seeing that across the country because of what the

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Speaker 4: Supreme Court did in twenty twenty two, because of how

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Speaker 4: the extreme decision that they made to overturn Row. This

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Speaker 4: is what we're seeing across the country. As I mentioned

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Speaker 4: at the top, twenty one twenty one states.

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Speaker 1: Right, and the thing that I'm struck by is not

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Speaker 1: just that, but it's much more dangerous to be pregnant

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Speaker 1: in those states.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 4: It's a lot more dangerous because you may not get

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Speaker 4: the care that you need to save your life. Again,

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Speaker 4: these are difficult, deeply, deeply personal, difficult decisions that women

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Speaker 4: have to make. And I also want to add the

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Speaker 4: President he brought together he convened his task force right

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Speaker 4: after Roe was overturned. He put together a task force.

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Speaker 4: It was his fourth meeting with the task force that

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Speaker 4: he did yesterday to talk about ways that we can

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Speaker 4: continue to do what we can from the federal level

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Speaker 4: to protect women's rights and women's women's right to make

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Speaker 4: a decision on her own body. But look, the President

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Speaker 4: has been very clear, the Vice President has been very clear.

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Speaker 4: In order to make real change and to protect lives,

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Speaker 4: we have to make sure that rose the law of

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Speaker 4: the land. So Congress has to act. This is something

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Speaker 4: that Congress needs to take action to protect women. Again,

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Speaker 4: majority of Americans, this is where majority of Americans stand.

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Speaker 4: This is what they want to see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So tell us about that task force, who's on it, etc.

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Speaker 1: And then also I want you to talk about there

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Speaker 1: was a court ruling about doctors being allowed to perform

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Speaker 1: emergency abortions, and then the Biden administration is trying to

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Speaker 1: push back federally, which I think is really important and interesting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so a couple of things that the President was

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Speaker 4: able to announce, took us some executive actions, and he

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Speaker 4: took new actions yesterday. Is trying to see what we

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Speaker 4: can do right to make sure that we protect these

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Speaker 4: women legally and these doctors. And so you have doj

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Speaker 4: who actually you know, are handling those pieces as I mentioned,

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Speaker 4: when when they are in a state where they can't

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Speaker 4: have an abortion and they go to another state, there

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Speaker 4: could be legal ramifications for them, and so the Department

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Speaker 4: of Justice is some thing under the direction of this

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Speaker 4: president is certainly helping in that way. And so we're

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Speaker 4: going to continue to make sure that women receive the

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Speaker 4: medical care that they need in an emergency such as

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Speaker 4: a miscarriage. You heard me talk about the horroring stories

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Speaker 4: that we've heard from women about that We're going to

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Speaker 4: defend access to safe and effective medication abortion. So that's

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Speaker 4: really important that something that the President is doing, you

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Speaker 4: know with HHS. Obviously expand access to affordable contraception, another

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Speaker 4: thing that the Department of HIHS is doing, and then

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Speaker 4: also strengthen privacy protections for patients and doctors. So those

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Speaker 4: are the many ways that the President is zeroed in

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Speaker 4: on on making sure that we protect We do everything

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Speaker 4: that we can to ensure that we protect women and

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Speaker 4: their freedoms to make these decisions and trying to figure

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Speaker 4: out they how are they going to protect their own

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Speaker 4: health and so that's what the President has been doing

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Speaker 4: and that's part of what the Task Force is doing

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Speaker 4: as well. This is the different parts of what the

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Speaker 4: task Force talks about and try to figure out, Okay,

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Speaker 4: what else can we be doing to really assist women

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Speaker 4: across the country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really important. And it's also because we have

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Speaker 1: this very conservative a Supreme core. It really is like

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Speaker 1: an added tension, right because they still have this methapristone

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Speaker 1: case on the docket.

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Speaker 4: Exactly. No, that's exactly right. And let's not forget Mallie.

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Speaker 4: The overturning of Roe was just the tip of the iceberg.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: If you think about what Thomas said, you know, there

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Speaker 4: are other rights and freedoms that they want to zero

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Speaker 4: in on, and so that is really important that the

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Speaker 4: American public understands like this is just the tip of

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Speaker 4: the iceberg. And so we have to be really clear

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Speaker 4: about what's what's ahead of us here. And when you

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Speaker 4: talk about majority of Americans saying, hey, we don't want that.

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Speaker 4: You don't want a freedoms to be attacked. We want

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Speaker 4: to have our freedoms. We want our freedoms to be protected.

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Speaker 4: That's what the president is talking about, right, That's what

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Speaker 4: the President wants to do. He wants to make sure

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Speaker 4: that we're protecting those freedoms, not just for women, and

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Speaker 4: obviously that's really important as we talk about role here,

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Speaker 4: but for everyone else.

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Speaker 1: So you guys are a very like loan drama white house.

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Speaker 2: Right, That's right.

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Speaker 1: It's mostly a criticism I hear lobbed at this white

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Speaker 1: House is like there's not a lot of turnover. A

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Speaker 1: lot of the stuff you read, it's sort of like,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of like innuendo and gossip,

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Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, it's about things

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Speaker 1: that aren't even that salacious. So why do you think

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Speaker 1: A that you, Chris are such a low drama white

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Speaker 1: house and b why people seem mad at you for it?

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Speaker 4: I'll say this, when the president walked into this administration,

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Speaker 4: let's not forget what she was dealing with. He was

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Speaker 4: dealing with multiple crises. There was the pandemic, right that

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Speaker 4: was killing thousands of people a day when he walked

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Speaker 4: into this administration. So he had to put together a

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Speaker 4: comprehensive plan to deal with a strategy to deal with

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Speaker 4: COVID and making sure people were getting shots, making sure

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Speaker 4: people are getting masks, making sure people were getting the

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Speaker 4: basic needs, just to make it through the pandemic. And

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Speaker 4: why did he have to do that because the last

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Speaker 4: president didn't put together a comprehensive plan. So that was

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Speaker 4: one crisis. The economy was on a tail spin, right.

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Speaker 4: We had to deal racial inequality. There was climate change. Now,

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Speaker 4: if you look at all of those crises that I

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Speaker 4: just named were coming out of the pandemic. Why because

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Speaker 4: the President took that very seriously and knew that he

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Speaker 4: had a job to do. You look at the economy.

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Speaker 4: The economy is strong right now. It is strong when

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Speaker 4: you think about unemployment at four percent, creating fourteen million

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Speaker 4: jobs in his first two to three years of this administration,

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Speaker 4: more than fourteen million job. You think about wages have

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Speaker 4: risen faster than inflation for ten months in a row.

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Speaker 4: You think about all of those things, and consumer sentiment

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Speaker 4: is high. That's because of the work that this president

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Speaker 4: has done climate change. He has taken more bold progressive

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Speaker 4: action than any other president on climate change. And we're

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Speaker 4: going to continue to make a big, bold announcement on

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Speaker 4: how we're going to make sure we protect our climate

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Speaker 4: here racial inequality. The first couple of days of this administration,

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Speaker 4: he made sure he signed an executive order for all

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Speaker 4: the agencies to look at how can we really deal

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Speaker 4: with racial inequality in these agencies, to do a real

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Speaker 4: policy review on how agencies are working through that. Look,

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Speaker 4: there's always a lot more work to do, always, and

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Speaker 4: the President understands that, and so he's going to continue

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Speaker 4: to do that. Right right now, we continue to talk

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Speaker 4: about the economy, building an economy from the bottom up,

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Speaker 4: biddled out, making sure that we leave no one behind,

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Speaker 4: making sure we continue to lower cost for Americans. So

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Speaker 4: that's what the President understood.

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Speaker 5: Ray.

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Speaker 4: He understood that there was a crisis happening. He didn't

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Speaker 4: have to run for president. He didn't have to, but

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Speaker 4: he understood where the country was at the time. He

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Speaker 4: understood that we needed to save the soul of this nation.

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Speaker 4: After what he saw at Charlottesville, he decided, I'm going

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Speaker 4: to run and I'm going to try to make a

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Speaker 4: difference and do the work that needs to be done,

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Speaker 4: you know, because he believes this country is so great,

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Speaker 4: and it is great. And so look, this is a

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Speaker 4: president who was centered for thirty six years.

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Speaker 1: Thirty million years.

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Speaker 4: Yes, he was been vice president for eight years, and

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Speaker 4: he has the experience. He understands how this town works.

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Speaker 4: He understands what the American people are talking about around

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Speaker 4: the kitchen table because he's been there when he was

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Speaker 4: growing up in the middle class middle class, working class family,

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Speaker 4: and he gets it. He gets it, and so he's

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Speaker 4: going to take this very seriously because of what we're

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Speaker 4: dealing with as a country and in the world.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about the economics. Soft landing. We had inflation,

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Speaker 1: it was still lower than a lot of countries. One

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Speaker 1: of my great joys in life has been going on

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Speaker 1: GV News and gb News. Is this like terrible right

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Speaker 1: wing station that was created to protect Brexit, you know,

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Speaker 1: brexoneers owned by the Murdocks, of course, going on and

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Speaker 1: saying like, you guys sanctioned yourselves, which by the way,

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Speaker 1: they hate it, and you say that, but it is true.

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Speaker 1: But there has been much softer landing here, almost miraculous.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that the Biden administration gets so

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Speaker 1: I mean this morning, I don't know if you saw

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Speaker 1: the New York Times, perhaps you've heard of it. I

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Speaker 1: have to read you this headline, and you tell me

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Speaker 1: if this is not slightly shocking. Biden can't bank on

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Speaker 1: good economic sentiment.

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Speaker 4: The President is going to continue to do what he's

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Speaker 4: been doing, which is talked directly to the American people

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Speaker 4: about what we have been able to do as an

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Speaker 4: administration and how we have been able to deliver on

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Speaker 4: the most important issues that they have, right, and the

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Speaker 4: economy is a big one. I mean, the fact is

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Speaker 4: inflation has fallen by two thirds. That's the fact. Let's

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Speaker 4: not forget. There were predictions, prediction after prediction after prediction

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Speaker 4: that there was going to be a recession. And what

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Speaker 4: the President was able to do is he helped maintain

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Speaker 4: a strong job market as inflation fell. And we're going

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Speaker 4: to do the contrast right while we got to do

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Speaker 4: the contrast right, while we're trying to make sure we're

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Speaker 4: create eating, good paying jobs. And we're doing that because

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Speaker 4: of the policies that this president has put forward, because

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Speaker 4: of the Inflation Reduction Act, because of the Bipartisan Infrastructure

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Speaker 4: Deal live. And let's not forget I send bipartisan that

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Speaker 4: in that word, right, because this is a president who

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Speaker 4: knows how to bring the other side and get things done.

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Speaker 4: Because of the chips and science ac right, we're able

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Speaker 4: to bring manufacturing jobs back at all of these things

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Speaker 4: that I'm talking about. That is really very much part

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Speaker 4: of the reason we're seeing an economy that is much stronger.

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Speaker 4: And meanwhile, on the other side, congressional Republicans they don't

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Speaker 4: have a plan to lower cost You know, Maganomics fails

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Speaker 4: middle class, right. They want to do Google ways for

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Speaker 4: wealthy and big corporations. They want to cut Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid.

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Speaker 4: I want to bring you back to the State of

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Speaker 4: the Union of twenty twenty three when the President called

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Speaker 4: them out during his speech and he got them to

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Speaker 4: basically back off. Right, this is congressional Republicans and it

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Speaker 4: was one of the best moments during that speech.

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Speaker 2: Another thing they want to do.

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Speaker 4: They want to raise costs on family to think about

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Speaker 4: healthcare to utility bills.

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Speaker 2: That's what they want to do.

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Speaker 4: The Inflation Reduction Act that I just mentioned. Only Democrats

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Speaker 4: voted for that, and that piece of legislation alone is

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Speaker 4: going to have the most effect on climate change, fighting

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Speaker 4: climate change and healthcare, fighting big farmers.

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Speaker 1: So that medicaids do two seconds on the insulin because

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Speaker 1: Biden did the thirty five dollars insulin and then didn't

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Speaker 1: get credit for it because the drug companies were like,

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Speaker 1: we are lowering into thirty five dollars and I was like, wait,

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Speaker 1: where have I heard that before? So let's explain that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And they did that because of the Inflation Reduction Act.

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Speaker 4: They were called out right. They knew once the Inflation

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Speaker 4: Reduction Act was passed that now the President had the

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Speaker 4: ability to indeed fight Big Fama right and give the

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Speaker 4: ability to Medicaid to really look at those look at

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Speaker 4: those certain drug costs, drug prices and lower them, right,

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Speaker 4: actually negotiate to lower those prices. And insulin. Can you

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Speaker 4: think about insulin for seniors. Seniors were paying hundreds of dollars,

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Speaker 4: more than two hundred bucks a month a seniors were

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Speaker 4: paying on insulin. Now it's capped at thirty five bucks.

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Speaker 2: And you're right, the.

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Speaker 4: Big Farmer was looking at that and they were like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: now we're going to do thirty five bucks, not just

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Speaker 4: not just on insulin for seniors, but for everyone. That's

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Speaker 4: this president. That is because of this president. And can

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Speaker 4: you imagine that no Republican voted to have insulin capped

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Speaker 4: at thirty five bucks for seniors. Not one Republican voted

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Speaker 4: for that, not one. And so you know this is Look,

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Speaker 4: you know, we're going to try and do everything that

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Speaker 4: we can to speak directly to the American people to

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Speaker 4: make sure our message is clear and so that they

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Speaker 4: know what this President has done because all of these

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Speaker 4: issues that I just talked about, these are issues that

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Speaker 4: the American people overwhelmingly care about. Whether it's healthcare, whether

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Speaker 4: it's climate right, whether it's infrastructure, whether it's good paying jobs.

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Speaker 4: Obviously bringing manufacturer, but these are things that they overwhelmingly

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Speaker 4: care about, and so we are meeting those needs. And

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Speaker 4: we're going to continue to do that. This president is

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Speaker 4: not going to stop.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much. I really appreciate you. I'm

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Speaker 1: really god that you came on.

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Speaker 2: Thanks. Welcome.

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Speaker 1: Congressman Brendan Boyle represents Pennsylvania's second district. Welcome to Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: Representative Boil.

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Speaker 2: Great to be with you, Molly.

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Speaker 1: You're a fancy congressman, but not necessarily a famous congressman.

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Speaker 2: I'm definitely not famous.

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Speaker 5: I think everyone who knows me would dispute the fancy part.

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Speaker 5: But you know, I kind of have the best of

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Speaker 5: both worlds. I've been in Congress. This is the beginning

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Speaker 5: of my tenth year, able to work on some important issues,

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Speaker 5: and yet at the same time, you know, I put

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Speaker 5: on an eagle shirt and a hat and go fill

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Speaker 5: up my gas and my constituents know me. But otherwise

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Speaker 5: I can be pretty anonymous. So I really do have

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Speaker 5: the best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: You're a ranking member of Budget, which, considering that you

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Speaker 1: are actually eleven years old, is pretty amazing. You're actually

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Speaker 1: not younger than Jesse and I, which is why you're

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Speaker 1: allowed on this podcast. But you look very young.

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Speaker 5: I look older on radio and look even older on podcast.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, so, as we were figuring out, we're the

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Speaker 5: same age, born in the same year, which for congressional

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Speaker 5: terms makes you very very young.

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Speaker 2: But being forty six.

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Speaker 5: And already being in leadership, being a ranking member hopefully

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Speaker 5: after November, being chair of the Budget Committee, it's a

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Speaker 5: great position to be in.

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Speaker 2: And I'm excited about what.

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Speaker 5: Really post November could potentially bring with Democrats in charge.

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Speaker 1: So I just want to correct the record here. I'm

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Speaker 1: just turned forty five, so we are actually not the same.

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Speaker 2: For Jimmy, that's right, I apologize more importantly.

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Speaker 1: But no, so let's talk about what is happening in

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Speaker 1: the United States House of Representatives right now. So, first

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Speaker 1: of all, Republicans have what is the majority now? Is

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Speaker 1: it one seat?

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Speaker 5: So at the moment, Republicans could only afford to lose

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Speaker 5: two Republican members voting with Democrats because they've lost three members.

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Speaker 5: Kevin McCarthy, after he was booted out, he decided to quit.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine how mad he would have to be?

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Speaker 1: Too endangering majority like that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, well, it's very true to who Kevin

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Speaker 5: is that he would take his ball and go home

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Speaker 5: once he was voted out.

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Speaker 2: So that's one seat.

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Speaker 5: Then George Santos obviously was booted out, left involuntarily, and

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Speaker 5: then a third Republican member just resigned this past week

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Speaker 5: to take a different job.

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Speaker 2: So with those three seats they are down. Essentially they

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Speaker 2: have an.

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Speaker 5: Only breathing room of being able to lose two Republican members.

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Speaker 5: And at the moment, Steve Scalise unfortunately is having cancer

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Speaker 5: treatment and so they don't have him to vote as well.

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Speaker 5: So I mean, functionally speak, well, this has been a

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Speaker 5: very dysfunctional House Republican leadership. The reality is their actual

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Speaker 5: majority closely as zero.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, luckily they are a well oiled machine. Just being

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Speaker 1: ironic here, I see two things on the horizon here

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Speaker 1: in the Senate. One is this tax bill, which, by

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Speaker 1: the way, I've been hearing about this tax bill for

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Speaker 1: a long time because full disclosure I actually had dinner

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Speaker 1: with Senator Widen a while ago. I was at a

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Speaker 1: dinner with him, and they have been working on this

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Speaker 1: tax plan for a long time. It would bring back

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Speaker 1: probably the single most progressive piece of tax legislation ever,

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Speaker 1: the child tax Credit, which lifted children out of poverty,

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Speaker 1: which if you're a human and you want children to

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Speaker 1: not starve, it's a pretty amazing little bit of legislation.

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Speaker 1: That bill will now probably come to the House of

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Speaker 1: Representatives right.

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Speaker 5: This bill was marked up by the Ways and Means

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Speaker 5: Committee last week. It is unclear at the moment what

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Speaker 5: Speaker Johnson is going to do. Like so many different issues,

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Speaker 5: we are constantly hamstrung by the fact you have Republican

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Speaker 5: leaders who are afraid of their own voters, and so

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Speaker 5: there's a real question whether Mike Johnson will put this

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Speaker 5: bill on the floor ultimately, though I think it's more

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Speaker 5: likely than not. And the reality is one of the

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Speaker 5: most important things that House Democrats and Senate Democrats achieved

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Speaker 5: coming out of COVID was the expanded child tax credit.

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Speaker 5: A forty six percent reduction in child poverty in one year.

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Speaker 2: Just absolutely remarkable.

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Speaker 5: What expanding the child tax credit did, and the fact

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Speaker 5: that it was that expansion was allowed to lapse, I

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Speaker 5: think is unconscionable. So to me, this is really one

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Speaker 5: of the most important things that the government can do,

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Speaker 5: and so I'm hopeful that we will be able to

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Speaker 5: get it done. But the caveat is we're in such

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Speaker 5: a dysfunctional House of Representatives because the rasiest ten members

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Speaker 5: or so of the Republican Conference is really running the show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, could this bill come to the floor and could

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Speaker 1: Democrats whip the vote and get this passed?

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Speaker 5: Oh, there's no question that if this bill is going

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Speaker 5: to pass, it will require more Democratic votes than Republican votes. Really,

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Speaker 5: for anything substantively to get done in Congress, even with

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Speaker 5: Republicans supposedly in charge, it has taken Democratic votes. Whether

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Speaker 5: it's raised the debt ceiling, whether it's to keep the

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Speaker 5: government funded, and the lights on, whether it would be

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Speaker 5: to expand the child tax credit, it always requires Democratic

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Speaker 5: votes because the Republicans aren't able to actually forge a

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Speaker 5: majority for any sort of policy whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Right because they don't really want to govern.

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Speaker 2: They have no agenda.

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Speaker 5: I mean, one of the funniest jokes in Washington was

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Speaker 5: someone asked me about met Gates's legislative agenda, there is none.

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Speaker 5: It's all about owning the Libs. It's about beating up

872
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Speaker 5: on woke. It's about bending down and kissing Trump's ass.

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Speaker 5: That is what the Republican Party is about today. There

874
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Speaker 5: is no legislative agenda. I mean, if you talk to

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Speaker 5: people like Marjorie Taylor, I can't imagine you're going to

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Speaker 5: Marjorie Taylor breenal the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Yes, she's coming on next week, so that's next week's show.

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Speaker 5: But if you did and you asked her what the

879
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Speaker 5: legislative agenda was, you would get no response that that's

880
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Speaker 5: not why they're there.

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Speaker 1: So talk to me about this border immigration bill that

882
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Speaker 1: may or may not happen. What is in it? Will

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Speaker 1: it to pass? Does it help Republicans? Could it help

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Speaker 1: Biden an election year? Sort of talk us through and

885
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Speaker 1: what's in it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So unfortunately this is a big unknown at the moment.

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Speaker 5: The action on this is happening at the Senate. There

888
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Speaker 5: our negotiation going on between a few Senate Democrats and

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Speaker 5: a few Senate Republicans that would essentially be an all

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Speaker 5: of the above approach that would include funding for Ukraine,

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Speaker 5: israel iwan as, well as a beefed up southern border

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Speaker 5: and possibly some asylum law changes as well. There's a

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Speaker 5: lot uncertain though, and you know, on the House side,

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Speaker 5: I think there is a certain degree of nervousness in

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Speaker 5: terms of what exactly is being talked about. The reality

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Speaker 5: is there is no agreement at the moment. This is

897
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Speaker 5: really drifting on for months, And speaking for myself as

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Speaker 5: someone who's a passionate supporter in Ukraine's fight for freedom

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Speaker 5: and believes that if.

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Speaker 2: We were to abandon them it would be one.

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Speaker 5: Of the greatest mistakes in US foreign policy history, I

902
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Speaker 5: do think that this goes on another couple weeks. We

903
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Speaker 5: really need to start thinking about what Plan B is

904
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Speaker 5: as opposed to the current or and.

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Speaker 1: The Biden administration go around Congress.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, we do see in other sort of

907
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Speaker 5: weapons shipments that there is some ability to go around Congress.

908
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Speaker 5: Now at the kind of scale that is needed to

909
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Speaker 5: help the Ukrainians, probably not. And you know, speaking as

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Speaker 5: a member of Congress, I don't necessarily advocate for going

911
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Speaker 5: around what is literally the first Article of the Constitution,

912
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Speaker 5: So it's not something I would necessarily advocate for. But

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Speaker 5: the reality is, again we're into late January. Now, this

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Speaker 5: can't drift on forever while the Senate sits around negotiating

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Speaker 5: with itself.

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Speaker 2: At some point we do need to move forward.

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Speaker 5: And I'm someone who is talking to other members about

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Speaker 5: what a possible plan be could look like for you, Frand.

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Speaker 1: It is so interesting to me with this very slim majority.

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of members of Congress I've talked to.

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Speaker 1: While Mike Johnson's views are very extreme, they find him

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Speaker 1: to be actually pretty affable guy. I have a question,

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Speaker 1: which is, like, it seems to me from everything I've read.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a member of Congress, i haven't been to

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Speaker 1: DC in like a month, but it seems like the

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Speaker 1: sense I get from everything I read and everything I

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Speaker 1: listened to is that Mike Johnson is actually more open

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Speaker 1: to making a deal than Kevin McCarthy was.

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Speaker 5: You know, I have a kind of a counter intuitive

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Speaker 5: or maybe contrarian take when it comes to Mike Johnson.

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Speaker 5: I've always felt that it would be a lot easier

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Speaker 5: to deal with him than it would be Kevin McCarthy.

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Speaker 5: Kevin was constantly, you know, looking over his shoulder. He

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Speaker 5: was deeply distrusted and disliked by a number of House Republicans.

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Speaker 5: I feel like for Mike Johnson coming out of the

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Speaker 5: Freedom Caucus, he has more credibility and it's easier for

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Speaker 5: him to reach an agreement with us and make a

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Speaker 5: compromise than Kevin Karthy, who was, you know, walking on

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Speaker 5: eggshells from the moment he won on the fifteenth ballot

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Speaker 5: last January to get the job. So, you know, I

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Speaker 5: know there are some House Democrats that might and some

942
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Speaker 5: analysts who might disagree with me on that, but at

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Speaker 5: least for the short term, I think that Mike Johnson

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Speaker 5: actually gives us more of a chance to reach an agreement.

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Speaker 5: There's also the reality that you know, they followed through.

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Speaker 5: They made the threat, and they filed through on it.

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Speaker 5: They filed the motion to vacate the chair. It happened.

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Speaker 5: Are they really going to go to that just a

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Speaker 5: couple months later. I'm doubtful of that. So that's another

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Speaker 5: reason why Mike Johnson has a little more latitude than

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Speaker 5: Kevin McCarthy ever did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it does seem to me, I mean, it

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Speaker 1: seems clear that he feels that when he negotiates. I

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Speaker 1: also think that ultimately Kevin McCarthy really did he made this.

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Speaker 1: There was this sort of like he would say, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm a good guy and I'm here to

957
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Speaker 1: sort of work things out. But then he started impeachment hearings.

958
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Speaker 1: He did a bunch of stuff that was really not

959
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Speaker 1: the kind of stuff a good guy does. The idea

960
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Speaker 1: that there's an impeachment going for vibes is kind of nuts, right,

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Speaker 1: Like you have to have something to impeach the guy.

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Speaker 5: On Yeah, I call it this Seinfeld impeachment. Seinfelder was

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Speaker 5: supposed to be a show about nothing. This is the

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Speaker 5: impeachment about nothing, literally nothing, just to do it because

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Speaker 5: it's one of the few things that you can get

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Speaker 5: most House Republicans to agree on. But you know, I'll

967
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Speaker 5: say this about Kevin McCarthy. The reality is, when the

968
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Speaker 5: history of this era is written, no single person did

969
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Speaker 5: more to enable Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Thank Kevin McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about that mar Lago trip.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely Ultimately, one of the first lines of his oh

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Speaker 5: bit will be Kevin McCarthy knowing better, constantly and consistently

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Speaker 5: enabled the worst excesses of Donald Trump. And you know,

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Speaker 5: say what you will about Mitch McConnell, but at least

976
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Speaker 5: on January sixth, Even before the riot, McConnell stood up

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Speaker 5: to Trump, and McConnell made a great mistake by not

978
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Speaker 5: finishing him off when he could have gotten the ten

979
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Speaker 5: additional votes on the impeachment conviction. But nonetheless, there have

980
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Speaker 5: been times when McConnell at least had stood up to Trump.

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Speaker 5: Not once ever did Kevin McCarthy stand up to Trump.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Coming into this election cycle, a lot

983
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Speaker 1: of the more normal Republicans are leaving, both of them.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking. I'm thinking about, you know, the Speaker pro

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Speaker 1: Templar mckenry, the kind of people who you know, took

986
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Speaker 1: their job seriously, may not have believed what we believed,

987
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 1: but were quiet servants of the government.

988
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Speaker 5: What happens now, Yeah, Unfortunately on the Republican side, it's

989
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 5: the wrong people who are leaving. You know, the kind

990
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Speaker 5: of people who are leaving were inventional conservatives, Republicans pre Trump,

991
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Speaker 5: as we've seen in this era. Unfortunately, a lot of

992
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 5: them don't have the will to fight, they recognize, and

993
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Speaker 5: we're seeing this playout obviously in the primaries as well.

994
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: The pre Trump Republican party is long gone.

995
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 5: It is dead, and so what you see is that

996
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 5: the members who want to stick around on the Republican

997
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 5: side are the performance artists. They're the people who who

998
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 5: love the chaos and the craziness, and people who are

999
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 5: more substantive, like McHenry have decided to leave and do

1000
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 5: something more lucrative in the private sector.

1001
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Speaker 2: So I am moving forward.

1002
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Speaker 5: I am concerned about the House of Representatives unless Democrats

1003
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Speaker 5: are in charge. When we're in charge, even with a

1004
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 5: small majority, we're able to pass big, meaningful pieces of

1005
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 5: legislation like we did last term. If we're not in charge,

1006
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Speaker 5: it'll be more chaos and confusion.

1007
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Speaker 1: What do you think sort of their argument is like,

1008
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: there are so many seats where Republicans sort of we're

1009
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Speaker 1: able to you know, I'm thinking of Mike Lawler in

1010
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Speaker 1: New York. I'm thinking of d Esposito in New York.

1011
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the special for Santos's seat that's happening

1012
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Speaker 1: right now. The seats in California, for example, the Palm

1013
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: Spring seat is up where my dad lives.

1014
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Speaker 2: Spoiler.

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Speaker 1: A lot of these Republicans have had to vote on

1016
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Speaker 1: legislation that is cutting the federal government by thirty percent,

1017
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Speaker 1: stuff like that. I mean, do you think Democrats will

1018
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: be able to be organized enough to use that stuff

1019
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: to run against them. Do you think it will matter

1020
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Speaker 1: with swing voters?

1021
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, the presidential race is certainly, as usual,

1022
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 5: going to dominate the attention. But the reality is, if

1023
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Speaker 5: you're a Mike Lawler, one of those House Republicans, what

1024
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 5: exactly do you have to run on? There is literally

1025
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 5: nothing best Republican majority has achieved. They have been known

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Speaker 5: from the very first day for constant in fighting and function.

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Speaker 5: So saw an article just a few days ago where

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Speaker 5: a couple of House Republicans apparently were out loud saying

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Speaker 5: what I just said.

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Speaker 2: One of them called it embarrassing. They're right.

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Speaker 5: So I think they're going to have a really tough

1032
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Speaker 5: time come November because unlike two years ago when House

1033
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Speaker 5: Democrats who were in challenging seats had things that we

1034
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Speaker 5: could talk about, on the Republican side, there is really nothing.

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Speaker 2: They will be able to point to that they achieved.

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Speaker 5: All they will really be able to do is engage

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Speaker 5: in fear mongering about the border and the sort of

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00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 5: you know, issues that really adamate the Republican base.

1039
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Speaker 1: It's funny because it's like it's not funny, but inflation,

1040
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Speaker 1: the murder rates down, inflations down, the economic indicators are better.

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Speaker 1: So it's going to be caravan time ifox news.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know. The good news is that we've had

1043
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 5: election after election in which the caravan type campaign has

1044
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 5: proven unsuccessful. The border as laid has become obviously more

1045
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 5: of a real and serious issue, but the sort of

1046
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 5: hype and fear mongering that Republicans have done on it

1047
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 5: historically has actually not really succeeded for them. I mean,

1048
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Speaker 5: they lost the twenty eighteen House elections badly. They won

1049
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Speaker 5: more seats in twenty twenty, but still lost the majority

1050
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Speaker 5: in twenty twenty two in a midterm election in which

1051
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Speaker 5: on average they should have picked up a couple dozen seats,

1052
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 5: they only won in the high single digits and left

1053
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Speaker 5: them with such a small majority.

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Speaker 2: And the reality is.

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Speaker 5: They're also going to have to be talking about the

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Speaker 5: possibility of a national abortion band in this post.

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Speaker 2: Dobbs reality.

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Speaker 5: So, frankly, when I look at the White House, when

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Speaker 5: I look at the Senate, when I look at the House,

1060
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Speaker 5: the elections that I'm the most optimistic about from a

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Speaker 5: Democratic perspective are the House elections.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, Representative.

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Speaker 2: Boyle, great being on thank you.

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Speaker 1: They no moment Secon.

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Speaker 5: Jesse Canon, Mali Jong Fasta, did not take a crystal

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Speaker 5: ball to know that Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Was going to win New Hampshire tonight. And all these

1068
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Speaker 2: people saying Nikki Hlly was going to do it or.

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Speaker 1: Not right, but he lost Dixville, Notch oh Man.

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Speaker 2: Damn, that's where all my money was.

1071
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Speaker 1: Donald J. Trump. He may have won the great state

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Speaker 1: of New Hampshire by totally dominating the primary and making

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Speaker 1: all the other Republicans afraid to go against him, but

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Speaker 1: he did not win the hearts of the people of Dixville,

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Speaker 1: Notch all seven voters. They voted for Nicki Haley and

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Speaker 1: for that, Donald J. Trump winning a second state in

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Speaker 1: the twenty fucking four Republican primary is our moment. A

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Speaker 1: fuck Gray. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics.

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Speaker 1: Tune in every Monday, Wednesday and Friday to hear the

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