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Speaker 1: Dragon season three episode three be warned. Hello, my name
Speaker 1: is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosie Night and welcome back
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Speaker 2: Well, it's another banger episode coming from Western ros with
Speaker 2: House of the Dragon episode three oh three.
Speaker 3: You want to know how Rniar's first day is going
Speaker 3: as Queen? Not very Well, it's tough.
Speaker 2: Did you know it was a hard job? Jason, I
Speaker 2: feel like she should have been more prepared. But we'll
Speaker 2: talk about that. We're gonna recap. We're gonna talk about
Speaker 2: our feelings about this incredible episode and where it sets
Speaker 2: us up before episode four.
Speaker 1: Let's jump into it. We open on Ormond High Towers
Speaker 1: camp in the reach his army marching towards King's landing.
Speaker 1: Damon has landed there with some dragon Seed dragon Rider
Speaker 1: back up and he has come to accept the surrender
Speaker 1: of Ormond High Tower. He brings some very important news. One,
Speaker 1: King Agan is dead, He's gone, Rania has ascended and
Speaker 1: Aim don't worry about it. He promises Ormond that his
Speaker 1: people will be spared, his life will be spared. Just
Speaker 1: swear to the queen, turn around and walk back. And
Speaker 1: also Otto is dead. I killed out him. And Ormand
Speaker 1: is like, well, let's talk about, like what if I
Speaker 1: want to fight you a little bit, And Damon is like,
Speaker 1: we're going to cook you up and then I'm gonna make.
Speaker 2: Old time.
Speaker 1: So Orman's like, well, I guess I gotta do it.
Speaker 1: So he kneels and then Damon does the thing where
Speaker 1: he's like that, he does the colombo.
Speaker 3: He is literally like he does the horna thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one more.
Speaker 3: Thing, just one more thing, uh actually actually.
Speaker 1: And then the last thing is starre On targarian. You
Speaker 1: gotta give him up. I need him, I need him hostage.
Speaker 1: I'll send some guys to pick up the dragon later.
Speaker 1: So they bring out a very very targarian looking young man.
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy looks like link from a legend
Speaker 1: of his own right.
Speaker 3: He is so blonde. He's a perfect targarian.
Speaker 2: It's one of the better targarian hairstyles we have seen.
Speaker 3: So you're, of course, like Damon, You're just.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I got it.
Speaker 2: That's my nephew, and it well Matt nephew, that's what
Speaker 2: he says. I'm like, babe, you guys need to be
Speaker 2: carrying around some.
Speaker 3: Little like portraits.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know of the last time it was seen
Speaker 2: like a little locket, like hey, can I you know
Speaker 2: it's not a fox.
Speaker 3: Oh you can't tea to him and be like have
Speaker 3: you seen this kid? But maybe a little something the.
Speaker 1: Tip back in King's Landing, Rania is just dealing with
Speaker 1: the like open fire hydrant of things that she has
Speaker 1: to deal with. They're coming in her at a million
Speaker 1: miles an hour. Meanwhile, she's you know, reminiscing about you know,
Speaker 1: how strange it is to be like in her father's
Speaker 1: chambers but now she's queen. Damon comes and is like
Speaker 1: ormon surrendered. We have Darren hostage, and Raniera, probably inspired
Speaker 1: by by just being around her dad's stuff, is like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to rule the way he
Speaker 1: would have wanted. So let's start.
Speaker 3: And Damon's like rolling his eyes, but.
Speaker 1: Let's start here. We Uh, it's time for the coronation,
Speaker 1: and that's gonna be an important thing to seal my
Speaker 1: legitimate legitimacy. And you know to make my make my
Speaker 1: reign as authentic as possible, We're gonna need to do that.
Speaker 1: She meets with Darren, She's like, what's going on with
Speaker 1: you know, the the Usurpers? Do you know anything about them?
Speaker 1: What was Ormond's battle plans? Do you know where the
Speaker 1: former King Eggon is? Do you know where Amon is? Anything?
Speaker 1: Kid refuses to say anything, So she's like, well, listen,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to say something to me at some
Speaker 1: point and go sit take him away. And Damon is like,
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to kill that kid at some point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, babe, you got to chop his head off,
Speaker 2: Like you can't just be doing this. But it is
Speaker 2: also like, I just I think this is a great
Speaker 2: moment where you really see Raniera kind of not able
Speaker 2: to immediately step into that leadership that she has been
Speaker 2: expecting too, because.
Speaker 3: She is just she's just really no. She wants to
Speaker 3: be like her dad.
Speaker 2: But she's also just like so thrown by this kid
Speaker 2: refusing to talk to her, and she wants to be
Speaker 2: calm and just so she doesn't, you know, immediately strike
Speaker 2: him or something. But at the same time, this is
Speaker 2: like should be a great win for her to have
Speaker 2: him there when it comes to understanding who was part
Speaker 2: of the conspiracy. So it's I just find it to
Speaker 2: be very interesting. I love soft dren Era, so I
Speaker 2: kind of love the way she approached this. But it's
Speaker 2: funny to have Damon there as her kind of evil
Speaker 2: Jiminy Cricket reminding her of what she actually needs to do.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's quite clear that she listen. She doesn't.
Speaker 1: She's she's trying to figure out how to rule. A
Speaker 1: lot of things have happened in a very short amount
Speaker 1: of time, and she's a lot of things coming at her.
Speaker 1: As we said, she takes her free.
Speaker 2: In months, right, Jason, only months since Eggon was crowned king.
Speaker 1: Right, that's correct, And it's been you know, like Jace's
Speaker 1: body is still warm. So and she so she takes
Speaker 1: a meeting with her small counsel or while grandmaster or
Speaker 1: a while, and list brings some troubling news. There's no money.
Speaker 1: Treasury's empty, it's been stolen where you go. There's probably
Speaker 1: there's probably enough gold just like around to run the
Speaker 1: government for like a couple of weeks, but certainly a
Speaker 1: coronation is out of the picture. Ye white Worm Missaria
Speaker 1: thinks that, you know, or While is probably telling the
Speaker 1: truth he doesn't know where the cash is. Orwhile is like, yes,
Speaker 1: of course, why would they tell me where they're going
Speaker 1: to take the cash. But if anybody knows where they
Speaker 1: took the cash, is probably Thailand Lanister, the late Lord
Speaker 1: Tayland Lanister, and maybe probably told right. And he might
Speaker 1: have told Lord Jasper wild Akai Ironrod, the Master of
Speaker 1: Laws who is now dead because Damon killed him whoops.
Speaker 1: And he was like, We're we'll fucking doing it anyway.
Speaker 1: We'll like, we're doing the coronation anyway. Worm is like,
Speaker 1: is that gonna be a good look? People are starving.
Speaker 1: They you know, they have no heating fuel, they've they
Speaker 1: have no food, and you're gonna be spending lavishly. Corlis
Speaker 1: is like, well, if we're gonna spend on anything, we
Speaker 1: should spend on the fact that the triarchy are still
Speaker 1: around sacking the coastline. We have to deal with that.
Speaker 1: Misari is like, well, the granaries are empty and the
Speaker 1: small folk, and Damon's like, fuck the small folk. As
Speaker 1: I you know, Damon is very stridently fucked the small folk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do think it's a really interesting exploration
Speaker 2: of that this week.
Speaker 3: I love this episode.
Speaker 2: I mean every episode consistently being this good, us being
Speaker 2: three in and all of them being bangers. Even though
Speaker 2: this is so different from the first two episodes. There
Speaker 2: is so much interesting stuff about class and agenda here,
Speaker 2: and we really start to see what Masaria's agenda is,
Speaker 2: and it is very much like many of the other
Speaker 2: small folk that we have seen rise us through the
Speaker 2: ranks of King's landing is to help the other small folk, right,
Speaker 2: and obviously she may have machinations on that, she also
Speaker 2: understands how good it will look. We know what that
Speaker 2: was like for you know, Marjorie and kind of her
Speaker 2: reign and being the queen.
Speaker 3: Of the people. You know, I'm from England.
Speaker 2: People love we all love Princess Diana there, you know,
Speaker 2: we get it so like. But then to see Damon,
Speaker 2: who essentially will as we'll talk about later, lays out
Speaker 2: how he sees the Targarians and how he sees Ranera,
Speaker 2: and it is like the polar opposite to what Misia
Speaker 2: is thinking. There's so much fun to be had, and
Speaker 2: I love how much Damon is just relishing in this
Speaker 2: true belief where he has become the man who sees
Speaker 2: him as ants essentially right, that's just irrelevant to him.
Speaker 1: To be fair to Damon and Cordless, it is not
Speaker 1: an easy question. There is a balance to be struck
Speaker 1: here because to Damon's point, like, there are enemies in
Speaker 1: there close by, and we've got to really try and
Speaker 1: lock down this kingdom before we lose it. And while
Speaker 1: you know, listen, I think everybody should be fed, I
Speaker 1: also feel like we've got to find we've got to
Speaker 1: find a way to balance that because if we feed
Speaker 1: them and then lose the capital, or feed them and
Speaker 1: then don't have an army to send at these raiders,
Speaker 1: so it is it is legitimately it's a big question.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I also I like that you bring that
Speaker 2: up because I think a big thing that works really
Speaker 2: well this episode is you see how badly run kings
Speaker 2: Landing has been, and how now there is somebody who
Speaker 2: is willingly saying I will step up and lead. Every
Speaker 2: single person has a request, a want, and a need,
Speaker 2: and it is overwhelming. Ranera is having to make choices
Speaker 2: at a ridiculously fast speed, and it is not given
Speaker 2: the time that it needs to think about the long
Speaker 2: term ramifications of anything, Like, there are moves that she
Speaker 2: makes in this episode that made me scream with joy,
Speaker 2: and immediately after moves that made me think you are fucked,
Speaker 2: Like you just fucked your entire career.
Speaker 3: So like, it's so fun to see that because I
Speaker 3: think it.
Speaker 2: Is, you know, not I'm it's realistic, the grind of
Speaker 2: being a royal. No, but in the world of Game
Speaker 2: of Thrones, I love to see this kind of drudgery. Yes,
Speaker 2: we've never really seen the royals going through the drudgery like.
Speaker 1: She there's real trade off leading.
Speaker 2: Up to this, right, and now all of a sudden
Speaker 2: she has to deal with the fact that every single
Speaker 2: person needs something from her, and it's everyone needs something
Speaker 2: different and everybody wants something different, even the people she loves,
Speaker 2: let alone the millions of people that she's now in
Speaker 2: charge of. It's so well done. It is really like,
Speaker 2: it feels to me a little unlike any other episodes
Speaker 2: of Game of Thrones that we've had, because it's very
Speaker 2: in Rania's head and in her POV like whenever we're
Speaker 2: with her, we're kind of experiencing the day as she does,
Speaker 2: and that is a really cool vantage point because her
Speaker 2: day fucking.
Speaker 1: Suck, so Rania fires off some executive orders. She's like, listen,
Speaker 1: send ravens out to all the great houses, tell them
Speaker 1: we need money. I'm not bringing my dragon Stone Small
Speaker 1: Council here because they betrayed me, they let me down,
Speaker 1: they questioned me every turn. I'm leaving them there or
Speaker 1: while updates the Small Council on Aimand he burned Harron Hall,
Speaker 1: including Damon's token force that he left there and he
Speaker 1: has disappeared. Renia wants to know about sheepstealer. Where is sheepstealer?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Who is this sheep stealer rider? She offers a bounty
Speaker 1: on the rider's head on layaway because there's no ways
Speaker 1: she has no money, and babe, and the same for
Speaker 1: whoever kills Aimand And we also see that.
Speaker 3: They she offers them Haroen hole.
Speaker 2: She offers them Haaren if you kill Aimed one, you
Speaker 2: will get haron Hole because I don't need it because
Speaker 2: all the river lands online, that's right.
Speaker 1: And also the castle is completely infested with because of
Speaker 1: the death and torture of the rat catchers in the
Speaker 1: wake of the murder of the children, the murder of.
Speaker 2: The Also I love that so much too, because it's
Speaker 2: a one, it pays off in a really great way
Speaker 2: I didn't see coming.
Speaker 3: But two, there.
Speaker 2: Is this great kind of feeling that it inspires where
Speaker 2: every you know, those days where you're already really pissed
Speaker 2: off and everything's really stressful, and then like your sleeve
Speaker 2: catches on the doorknob and you drop your keys or something,
Speaker 2: and you're like, I'm at my fucking limit.
Speaker 3: Every single time. Raniera is at her limit.
Speaker 2: This episode, she sees a fucking rat, Like something really
Speaker 2: bad is happening, and she is stressing out and she
Speaker 2: hears a fucking rat and she looks and she.
Speaker 3: Sees these motherfuckers running around.
Speaker 2: So it's this again, this kind of reminder of the
Speaker 2: ruin that she has been left with that she now
Speaker 2: has to build from, but it will also inspire this
Speaker 2: fantastic scene later that I just adored.
Speaker 1: Rania is using Captain Largent, Commander Largent of the City
Speaker 1: Watch as her main queen's guard at the moment, but
Speaker 1: of course he doesn't want the job, and he's got
Speaker 1: a much more important job dealing with the City Watch
Speaker 1: and all the things that have to be patrolled within
Speaker 1: the city and security. She sees she tells him that
Speaker 1: Damon will see to finding new Queen's guard candidates. And meanwhile,
Speaker 1: again as noted, people are coming out of the woodwork
Speaker 1: to talk to her about the candles, about the washing,
Speaker 1: about the drapes and so chamber, everything is like got
Speaker 1: to go through her. Ranera goes to see Alison and
Speaker 1: Helena and is like, do you guys know where the
Speaker 1: money is? Alison has no idea where the money is.
Speaker 1: She's like, they would not tell me anything. Raniera is
Speaker 1: like kind of barely keeping it together with the stress.
Speaker 1: She's like, wants to know where Vega is, sheep stealer
Speaker 1: and the like. Alison basically tells her, listen, you're the Queen.
Speaker 1: I did my job. I got you in here. I'm done.
Speaker 1: Chill out. And by the way, Eggon, nobody knows what
Speaker 1: he looks like now because he's like horrendously burned. He
Speaker 1: probably won't live, so just to clear him dead anyway
Speaker 1: and move on. And Alison is being honestly pretty cool
Speaker 1: about this all considered.
Speaker 2: She is I'm not gonna lie as well. Like for
Speaker 2: me the Allison Raniera lover, I adore this kind of
Speaker 2: moment because we do get to see that this is
Speaker 2: where Raniera chooses to be vulnerable is with Allison, because
Speaker 2: there's this great moment where she sort of grips the
Speaker 2: table and almost has a panic attack, and that is
Speaker 2: when Allison says, you see in her mind something shifts
Speaker 2: and she thinks, fuck, I can ask for her, yeah,
Speaker 2: to say hegun's dead like shit, she needs help. And
Speaker 2: it's kind of this like incredible unexpected allyship of like
Speaker 2: two people trying to help each other while trying to survive.
Speaker 2: And it's just it's what this show does so well.
Speaker 2: And to have Helena there as this kind of little,
Speaker 2: you know, pure innocent in it.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's so good, such a great scene.
Speaker 1: Rania says, listen, when everything's calm and I've found amend
Speaker 1: and he's dead, you and Helena Allison can go, But
Speaker 1: until then, we're gonna keep you here. You're gonna live
Speaker 1: in the style that you're accustomed to, like a queen
Speaker 1: et cetera. Like I know, yeah, I know, you're not
Speaker 1: happy about it, but that's the way it's got to be.
Speaker 1: Allison points out that how fucked up it is that
Speaker 1: now she's got a hope for the death of her
Speaker 1: son Aimond and free, and Renier is like, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: Raniera tells Captain Largent, Commander large and excuse me to
Speaker 1: announce that Eggon is dead. Just just put that put
Speaker 1: that news bullet me out there, and that's right. And furthermore,
Speaker 1: bring my youngest son Jeoffrey back from the veil, because
Speaker 1: that's the new air. Meanwhile, Missaria is like, this is
Speaker 1: a very nice castle. This is this nice. Raniera is
Speaker 1: getting paranoid. The white worm is kind of feeding it, suggesting,
Speaker 1: you know, killing darn but of course Ranera doesn't want to.
Speaker 1: Raniera is as a great example of how much stress
Speaker 1: she's under. She's just hallucinates Jace walking the walls, which
Speaker 1: is very very bad. There's also this like they use
Speaker 1: this sound design that like kind of low, kind of
Speaker 1: like orchestral stab that's like boom every time something happens,
Speaker 1: that like kind of triggers her stress, and it's I
Speaker 1: think it's very effective. Raniera tells the white worm question
Speaker 1: the staff, find out which of the people here in
Speaker 1: the castle are working against me, plotting against me, and
Speaker 1: we'll deal with them later. The High Septon comes to
Speaker 1: see the Queen and he says, listen, we can't we
Speaker 1: can't do a coronation. Why well, let's see, I annointed
Speaker 1: Eggun and she's like, well he's dead, and so he says, okay,
Speaker 1: well there there's a very specific procedure that we go
Speaker 1: through this as everybody watches Game of Thrones nose and
Speaker 1: has seen, Yeah, the Silence Sisters prepare the body, and
Speaker 1: that lets us know that officially that person is dead
Speaker 1: and we don't have a body. The sisters didn't prepare
Speaker 1: it anyway, So you're just I'm just taking your word
Speaker 1: for it, and not that I'm saying you're a liar,
Speaker 1: but it's like, it's kind of hard for me to
Speaker 1: then to anoint you because I just anointed him, and
Speaker 1: Ranhiera is very frustrated, and it's clear that she's already
Speaker 1: thinking about like how do I kill this guy later?
Speaker 2: Honestly, in my opinion correct I also want to say, Rania, Babe,
Speaker 2: you mistakenly fucked up by not thinking it through with
Speaker 2: the plan because she specifically told people and told Logent
Speaker 2: to tell them that they'd found Eggon in the castle.
Speaker 2: So then that makes this really sucks. Babe, two of
Speaker 2: your kids go eaten by dragons. Just tell them, get
Speaker 2: them again, eat then by a dragon, like give them
Speaker 2: a gain them a butt up, body, give them.
Speaker 3: This is not planning, baby.
Speaker 2: And what I think is really interesting here that I
Speaker 2: really this was immediately something I wrote down of like
Speaker 2: I gotta ask Jason about the lore of this. Right,
Speaker 2: so we know we've seen a lot of like drama
Speaker 2: between the faith in the Crown and the Septin and
Speaker 2: the Crown, but we get this great moment here with
Speaker 2: the High Septum where he kind of talks about how
Speaker 2: dragons are this profane magic they were created by like
Speaker 2: disgusting evil, lust and greed because.
Speaker 3: Rania is like, bitch, I got dragons, Like, do fuck
Speaker 3: with me?
Speaker 2: And I want to know if that is like a
Speaker 2: big canon part of the book, like is this is
Speaker 2: like do does do all faith leaders hate dragons? Is
Speaker 2: this a regular issue or is this something they're expanding
Speaker 2: on here?
Speaker 1: The Turgerians are aliens in this land, and while there
Speaker 1: are those feeling they're seen as exceptional because of the dragons,
Speaker 1: and none of the Septans who are quoted or any
Speaker 1: of the religious lay people who who speak about these
Speaker 1: periods and the novellas really kind of talk specifically from
Speaker 1: a like forty thousand foot view about the Targarians. They'll
Speaker 1: talk about like specific family members or specific people being
Speaker 1: evil or being paranoid or whatever. They don't talk about
Speaker 1: the entire group being bad per se, because I think
Speaker 1: that would be politically very dangerous thing to do. But
Speaker 1: it's but so this show is extrapolating and kind of
Speaker 1: fleshing out what those feelings would be like on a
Speaker 1: more personal ground level. Yeah, but so and and by
Speaker 1: the way, A Night of the Seven Kingdoms also fleshed
Speaker 1: out these feelings as well, where it's like it's clear
Speaker 1: that everybody was like, you know, we don't love the Targarians,
Speaker 1: but what are you going to do? They did show
Speaker 1: up with dragons, So.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of, yeah, this is in a way,
Speaker 2: I guess do you think I guess The bigger question
Speaker 2: I have is like, do you think this is leading
Speaker 2: to a bigger conflict between this specific scept I do?
Speaker 3: Right? It feels because it does feel is going to
Speaker 3: kill him.
Speaker 2: He doesn't feel like they kinda it doesn't feel like
Speaker 2: this is just gonna He's gonna die and that's the
Speaker 2: end of it.
Speaker 3: He says, setting something up.
Speaker 1: He says to her, don't make an enemy of the faith.
Speaker 1: The you know, because left On said is that in
Speaker 1: this time of hardship, the people cling to the faith,
Speaker 1: and if you make an enemy of the faith, you'll
Speaker 1: make an enemy of the people. And I think that
Speaker 1: is a message that Raniera should listen to. And we'll
Speaker 1: see if she does. I don't I at this point,
Speaker 1: obviously they're they're squared up for a conflict. Corliss has
Speaker 1: dinner with the queen and the boys, Adam and Allen.
Speaker 1: That boy, he's like, listen, you may have guessed, but
Speaker 1: these are my illegitimate sons. I had them with this
Speaker 1: this lady who is hanging around Driftmark and ladies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: ship is a shipwright lady. And I was listen. I
Speaker 1: was a little embarrassed of that, because you know, I
Speaker 1: love my wife. But obviously my wife's not here and
Speaker 1: she died.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with the way things are.
Speaker 1: Going right now, I'm going to need airs. So I
Speaker 1: would really appreciate it if we could legitimize Alan here
Speaker 1: and uh so I can name him my heir, and
Speaker 1: could you do that that? You know, these they are
Speaker 1: the last of the Valarians, you know anyway, and Raniera
Speaker 1: kind of gives a bullshitty kind of hemming and hang, answer,
Speaker 1: it's clear she does not want to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she hypes up the kids and compliments them, but
Speaker 2: she like won't commit.
Speaker 1: She's like, we love the kids, they're fucking great, but like,
Speaker 1: let's talk. Maybe we'll table this later, eat.
Speaker 3: This little chicken and shut up a little chicken leg.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we leave without a clear answer on that topic,
Speaker 1: but I think we certainly get the picture that Raniera
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do that right now. Meanwhile, Raniera is
Speaker 1: still seeing and hearing weird things. She goes through her
Speaker 1: bedroom formerly her father's bedroom. She can't sleep there. She
Speaker 1: goes to the next room and sleeps next to Damon.
Speaker 1: She prepares for her first day of open court, and
Speaker 1: she's like trying to figure out, like, Okay, nobody's got
Speaker 1: any food, but like, so how much jewelry should I wear? Therefore,
Speaker 1: like to open.
Speaker 2: Ran which again trenchiant fantastic fucking writing that you think
Speaker 2: is just her doing weird like kind of thinking out loud,
Speaker 2: but like essentially sets up everything else for the rest
Speaker 2: of the episode. Like the fucking detail writing in this
Speaker 2: stuff is so good.
Speaker 1: So she then realizes she's having her period and not
Speaker 1: to mention she's under tremendous stress. This is a very
Speaker 1: interesting book change because in the books.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about it.
Speaker 1: In the books, from Septon Eustace's account, who is an
Speaker 1: unreliable narrator who doesn't like Reniera, he says that she
Speaker 1: cut herself on the throne and would freak cut herself
Speaker 1: as she sat the throne over time during her reign
Speaker 1: during this period in King's Landing. And is that propagandistic?
Speaker 1: Is he trying to delegitimize her rain? Unclear?
Speaker 2: But so it's very interesting that just a reading of
Speaker 2: like was it just how how would they reveal?
Speaker 1: How would he know? Though? How would he know she
Speaker 1: was on her period?
Speaker 2: I wonder a because we see let her handmaids get
Speaker 2: like rags. But also I did consider, you know, she
Speaker 2: realizes when she is standing in her dress, right, she
Speaker 2: has this great moment where she just goes, fuck, I'm
Speaker 2: bleeding and you've realized, like, her bad day is about
Speaker 2: to get a lot worse. And I think the way
Speaker 2: they bring it to life via sound design and camera
Speaker 2: use and shaky cam and stuff is so good. But
Speaker 2: also what if you know she bled through her dress,
Speaker 2: and people saw her bleed and they assumed that she
Speaker 2: you know, cut.
Speaker 3: Herself on there.
Speaker 2: I just I think I love the unreliable narration of
Speaker 2: it all, and how the you know, so it happens
Speaker 2: regularly throughout her run.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So there are three three There are several options. The
Speaker 1: first option is that this is a propagandistic retelling of
Speaker 1: the historical we now see fact that Rania was having
Speaker 1: her period when she first sat the throne to you know,
Speaker 1: accept the public, to meet the public. Two excepting you sisters,
Speaker 1: make making sit up, making it up, making completely making
Speaker 1: that up in order to make Raniera seem like she
Speaker 1: never had the judgment of the gods and was never
Speaker 1: fit to rule. And then those are really our only
Speaker 1: two options, right right, Like yeah.
Speaker 2: I would say, like the yeah, I think the other
Speaker 2: option as well as like the it was about I
Speaker 2: guess it was like an allegorical way of use this
Speaker 2: talking about it, because honestly, like the idea of her
Speaker 2: the day she sits the throne, God chooses to make
Speaker 2: her bleed, you know, it's like essentially the throne cut.
Speaker 3: I wonder if there's like an interesting kind of angle.
Speaker 1: I think the third the third option is that this
Speaker 1: is simply a show change, and that in the book
Speaker 1: version of events, she was cutting herself on the blades
Speaker 1: of the throne, and in this telling of the version,
Speaker 1: she was on her period.
Speaker 2: I never cut hers because we're seeing different perspectives, right,
Speaker 2: And I will say a lot of this episode, what
Speaker 2: I love about it is about how ranierer for better
Speaker 2: or for worse. Right, we don't know yet, we don't
Speaker 2: know how it's all going to play out, but she
Speaker 2: turns to women every single time. In this episode, she
Speaker 2: listens to Allison's advice. Alison tells her say my son's dead,
Speaker 2: and she does it moments later, right, like then it's
Speaker 2: the handmaid who knows she's on her period. It's a
Speaker 2: handmaid who brings her the stuff for cramps. And then
Speaker 2: it's Missia who will start to shape her first day
Speaker 2: on the throne and the choices that she makes. So
Speaker 2: it's really interesting to me that they also tied it
Speaker 2: to the period. So, yeah, it's just just a really
Speaker 2: cool choice. And Emma, again they are just fucking smash.
Speaker 3: At the throw.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the petitioners come and it's just very complicated.
Speaker 1: You know, the weavers need sheep, but all the sheep
Speaker 1: were fed to the dragons because of the war. There's
Speaker 1: no money to buy new sheep. Also, the butchers are
Speaker 1: out of meat. What about hunting?
Speaker 3: The kings would shave the sheep.
Speaker 1: What about hunting in the kingswood. Maybe we could do that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll talk about it, but all the hunters
Speaker 1: went off to war. One of Missaria's colleagues comes asking
Speaker 1: for justice for the common folks, saying, you know, the
Speaker 1: rich people, the nobles, they are hoarding all the resources,
Speaker 1: and what do we do about it? Small counts meeting.
Speaker 1: Damon does not like this kind of brewing class warfare angle.
Speaker 1: Misaria obviously loves it, so they they bicker there. Damon
Speaker 1: says Bayla saw Sunfire dead and rotting in the field.
Speaker 1: After Eggon's drunk dragon ride and crash. Raniera says, send
Speaker 1: Bayla out again with Adam tonight to do more scouting
Speaker 1: look for vagar. Corliss is like, I'm gonna I'm neutral
Speaker 1: on the class warfare queen. Whatever, the queen says.
Speaker 3: Listen to me.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the warm asks, okay, what would your father do?
Speaker 1: And I think quite accurately Rania says he would have
Speaker 1: a banquet, he would have a dinner. Wolf needs a
Speaker 1: new needs a style, he needs a new nickname to
Speaker 1: come with. They come up with Ulf the White. Hugh
Speaker 1: is Hugh the Hammer, Adam is Adam of Hull, not Valarion.
Speaker 1: They kneel and Damon knights them all, so now they
Speaker 1: are all sirs, and they swear fealty to the queen
Speaker 1: until death. All saying until death is very funny because
Speaker 1: you just get the feeling like probably it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3: It's happening.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, a different way, maybe very unreliable.
Speaker 2: He was like so so bad at this, Like when
Speaker 2: he was like, I'm miss stout myself as a Tagarian
Speaker 2: and they're like absolutely fucking not, Like you do not
Speaker 2: have the juice and you do not have the drip.
Speaker 2: It's not happening. Style yourself as Off the White. You'll
Speaker 2: be fine.
Speaker 1: He was like, what how much are you paid? And
Speaker 1: Raniera is like, tbd on that. We're having money issues
Speaker 1: right now. But if you want to go get your
Speaker 1: wife from wherever she fled to, we will get you
Speaker 1: a house out there on the Street of Steel or
Speaker 1: somewhere when will.
Speaker 3: I send Visenya's Hill Vicenya's Hill?
Speaker 1: When will we get the house? You know, like the
Speaker 1: we'll do, we'll we'll work on that needs to get back.
Speaker 1: She needs to get better at delegating. Alison comes to
Speaker 1: see Raniera. She has a request. She asks that Auto's
Speaker 1: remains be sent to old Town. That's done. Then Raniera
Speaker 1: is like, you were queen for a while and you
Speaker 1: were really kind of running things in the shadows, like
Speaker 1: what's give me some advice, And basically, Alison says, listen,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to change the the realities of power
Speaker 1: mean that you can't be the person that you think
Speaker 1: that you have been or maintain your same kind of
Speaker 1: relationship to your morals. You're gonna have to change. And
Speaker 1: Ranera is like, nah, I'm built different. That's not gonna
Speaker 1: happen to me. And Alison's like, okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this shit is like so good.
Speaker 2: I love the switch here where Ranera was always the
Speaker 2: one kind of giving Alison the advice when they were kids,
Speaker 2: and then it's now Alison and she's fucking real about
Speaker 2: it too, like this isn't a lie. She's not trying
Speaker 2: to excuse the bad shit she did. She's just telling
Speaker 2: Renera like you're gonna You're gonna do horrible shit, and
Speaker 2: Raniera just wants to be like her dad. Also, Jason,
Speaker 2: I do have to ask you here, even as the
Speaker 2: ultimate Allison apologist, I do feel like the request for
Speaker 2: Otto's remains to be sent to old Town could be
Speaker 2: weighted towards trying to get Ormond High Tower to be
Speaker 2: like more pissed off, right, Like, like the proof that
Speaker 2: Otto is dead feels like it might not be the chill.
Speaker 2: I just want my parents to rest together plan and
Speaker 2: I think, like I don't want Alison to be doing
Speaker 2: anything that doesn't help my babe Branera.
Speaker 3: But also, like tell me what you'll read on this
Speaker 3: was I mean, that's just felt a lot more weighted.
Speaker 1: That's just a normal thing to ask for. And even
Speaker 1: if you're okay at war, you know, for instance, respect Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean ned Stark had his head cut off for
Speaker 1: being a trader to the crown, and they still send
Speaker 1: his bones to winterfol Like you just do that. That's
Speaker 1: that's what is done here, considering that as it's a
Speaker 1: courtesy that royals would afford each other, you know, because
Speaker 1: they are a different class of person, and and it
Speaker 1: would be seen as very important. Now, I guess there's
Speaker 1: a world in which Raniera could use the bones as leverage,
Speaker 1: like maybe see if you can get some other concessions,
Speaker 1: or at least wait until like Ormond is definitely gone back.
Speaker 2: And maybe because she has theren she doesn't think she
Speaker 2: needs to do that. Yeah, unclear, but but you know,
Speaker 2: I think that's just that's just a normal thing. That
Speaker 2: it's just a normal thing. Okay, good, I don't want
Speaker 2: Allison to betray my hand. I'm loving where they're at
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: So we go to the banquet and Raniera makes a
Speaker 1: big speech. She's like everything's being going great, it's so
Speaker 1: nice to have you all here, and of course, like
Speaker 1: obviously it's weird that you were supporting the usurper, but
Speaker 1: like that's all forgotten.
Speaker 3: Now let's bring so much good, like little shade.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's bring the food out. And then the food
Speaker 1: comes out and it's all like like broiled rat, no
Speaker 1: maggots and shit. The nobles are shocked, and Rnera says, well,
Speaker 1: this is what the common folk of me eating. So
Speaker 1: while you're here right now, my gold cloaks are in
Speaker 1: your houses and in your storerooms, raiding the stuff and
Speaker 1: redistributing it to the common people. Good night, and she
Speaker 1: goes toay if Torn Manderly. Torn. Manderly is like loving
Speaker 1: this and she's like why why are you so He's like,
Speaker 1: I think it's a very smart move, Like I think that.
Speaker 1: I think it's obviously a short term solution, but it's
Speaker 1: a short term solution that will make the small folk
Speaker 1: forget that it was your blockade that kind of caused everything.
Speaker 1: And then see he walks off. Damon and Raniera discuss this.
Speaker 1: It will buy her some time. He agrees, but they
Speaker 1: need to find like a real proper solution. She's like,
Speaker 1: you're gonna go to the veil, You're gonna talk to
Speaker 1: Jane Aaron. You're gonna get me some money. We need money.
Speaker 1: And Damon is like, listen, forget this like small time
Speaker 1: west ros kings landing shit. Let's you know, let's conquer
Speaker 1: the world. Let's go to Esauce, Let's go to ye t,
Speaker 1: Let's go to every dawn, do the whole fucking thing.
Speaker 1: They then go and have a long discussion in High Valerian,
Speaker 1: discussing the dragons and the prophecies, the destiny of the Targarians,
Speaker 1: the doom of all Valeria. This conversation really made me
Speaker 1: feel like, man, does Raniero just speak with a natural
Speaker 1: High Valerian accent in a way that like other Targarians
Speaker 1: that we've heard speak Valerian don't, because she rolls those
Speaker 1: rs so well.
Speaker 2: It's so good, Like I could I want them to
Speaker 2: do a whole episode with these two in High Valarian
Speaker 2: because when they get going, you get sucked into that,
Speaker 2: you know, every time they talk. It just throws me
Speaker 2: back to the best moments of Graeme of Ferns, Like,
Speaker 2: you know, obviously the most iconic scene where Denaris pretends
Speaker 2: she can't speak.
Speaker 3: High Valarian, and that moment when she says chorus like.
Speaker 2: It's that Lord of the Rings thing, it's hearing the
Speaker 2: Elvish like it sucks you in in a way that
Speaker 2: reminds you you're watching such a fantastical, mythical show. And
Speaker 2: I love this conversation. And also I want to say
Speaker 2: my favorite part of this conversation is Ranera is so
Speaker 2: concerned with the like humanity of being the leader, right
Speaker 2: because that's what her father would want. But Damon says,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't even see us as marauders or
Speaker 2: pirates or kings. He's like, I see us as gods.
Speaker 2: And that is the Targarian madness. And I think that
Speaker 2: is at the heart of the problem, is when they
Speaker 2: start to see themselves as gods because of the dragons.
Speaker 3: That's always where it goes wrong.
Speaker 1: So Corlis is the next day at the small council.
Speaker 1: Corlis is very annoyed because Adam is Sir Adam, Yes,
Speaker 1: but he's Adam of Hull, not Adam Valarion. And Rana says, listen,
Speaker 1: I can't do it right now. It's like everybody's looking
Speaker 1: at us, and you know how they you know, these
Speaker 1: spurious rumors about illegitimacy. We can't certainly be just like
Speaker 1: legitimizing bastards right now when everybody's talking about my family
Speaker 1: and my children is potentially being bastards. Corlis flies off
Speaker 1: the handle, and honestly he's right to do it.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, this is so crazy to me, Like one
Speaker 2: this is giving. Ranera justs whoever is in her ill
Speaker 2: lost she listens to because I love the mysteria. I
Speaker 2: love the wealth distribution. Everyone who listens to this no surprise.
Speaker 2: I'm a commie bitch, like we get it. But like,
Speaker 2: the thing that blows my mind is how wrong she
Speaker 2: is here. It is so the wrong choice because also,
Speaker 2: guess what, you already legitimized all your own bastard's babe,
Speaker 2: just commit, like if this is your rule, like you
Speaker 2: brought the dragon seeds in, Like just fuck, he's already
Speaker 2: a dragon seat, just says a Hilarian, like you need
Speaker 2: the fucking numbers, Like and if you look back, I
Speaker 2: was thinking thinking about.
Speaker 3: This so much after watching this episode again this.
Speaker 2: Morning, Like if you go back and look at the
Speaker 2: way that Carlis and Renie like stood for Raniera, Like
Speaker 2: it's just fucking insane that she says no. And I
Speaker 2: think that one this is gonna come back to bite her,
Speaker 2: and two it is gonna end up being in my opinion,
Speaker 2: like I'm blaming this on the period, Like whatever happens
Speaker 2: after this, this was a bad period decision.
Speaker 3: Babe, shouldn't have made it. It doesn't matter. People know
Speaker 3: you're fucking each other.
Speaker 2: They know there's bastards just fucking Let Adam and Allen
Speaker 2: b Valerians let him continue his line.
Speaker 3: It's good for the Targarians come on, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: So he flies off the handle and he's basically says
Speaker 1: like the most treasonous thing that really you can say,
Speaker 1: which is basically, you know, like you're your kids are bastards. Like,
Speaker 1: let's admit it, they're bastards. I lost my wife, I
Speaker 1: lost my kids, I lost everything, and I along with
Speaker 1: you ruling despite the fact that your kids are bastards.
Speaker 1: I didn't say a fucking word, and now all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you have a problem legitimizing my bastards. You're
Speaker 1: fucked up? How dare you? Then goes to tell Alison that,
Speaker 1: by the way, I have your son, I'm sending him
Speaker 1: to the wall. It's a mercy. He can win honor there,
Speaker 1: like I'm not gonna kill him. And Alison's like, do
Speaker 1: you want me to say thank you? And he's like
Speaker 1: basically yeah, because he's going to the wall, he's gonna live.
Speaker 1: Allison says like she's barely seen him, she wants to
Speaker 1: see him, she hasn't seen him at all in the
Speaker 1: last several years. And they bring Daryn in and Allison
Speaker 1: is like, who the fuck is this?
Speaker 2: Which again, can I just say I love this moment,
Speaker 2: because one Alison could have gone along with the ploys,
Speaker 2: just she's too fucked up in that moment. She wants
Speaker 2: to see her kid, And I kind of love the
Speaker 2: rawness and vulnerability that her and Raniera are both sharing here,
Speaker 2: that they just keep fucking it up because of the
Speaker 2: emotional kind of stress and weight that is on them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: incredible moment. I did not see this coming, Jason. Is
Speaker 2: this book accurate the dare un switch? Uh no, no,
Speaker 2: he's okay, let's talk more about that.
Speaker 3: It's a new one.
Speaker 1: Huh not at all? No, no, no, Well, the entire surrender
Speaker 1: of Ormond's army is aig change. Ormond just kind of
Speaker 1: marches down and they go to war like it's not
Speaker 1: there is no surrender, and there's there's no feigned Darren,
Speaker 1: there's none of this. So yeah, this is this is
Speaker 1: a this is a a significant change. Ormond is like
Speaker 1: not he's barely like a peripheral character, Like you really
Speaker 1: don't meet him or get much from him. So like
Speaker 1: already what we've seen in him is more than almost
Speaker 1: as much as you get in the books.
Speaker 2: Okay, big question here that you also noted in your
Speaker 2: recap that I had. Let's talk about the fake out
Speaker 2: with Darn, Like, how does it work with the dragon?
Speaker 3: Where was the dragon? How did Damon not take the dragon?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: What do you think was the situation?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: So Damon sent the the Valarian the Valarian speaking dragon
Speaker 1: keepers to collect the dragon separately after taking Darren fake
Speaker 1: Darren in hand, thinking that that's the prince will take
Speaker 1: him as a hostage. And I guess you can I
Speaker 1: understand the logic because like, no one else is going
Speaker 1: to ride that dragon, and so you're not. He wasn't
Speaker 1: worried about it. Should he have taken the dragon at
Speaker 1: the same time, Yeah, probably he should have, But instead
Speaker 1: he sent the dragon keepers to grab a hold of
Speaker 1: him because they were going to fly back, right, Remember
Speaker 1: they flew on dragon back. I don't know the three
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, and it's a teen dragon, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not a fully adult dragon. So what happens at
Speaker 1: the end here is that the dragon keepers have taken
Speaker 1: the dragon. We're taking the dragon, uh, towards King's Landing,
Speaker 1: but instead towards and they were stopping off at Tumbleton
Speaker 1: when the high Towers attacked Tumbleton and all the people
Speaker 1: of Tumbleton are now hostages of the High Towers, and
Speaker 1: they've lost the dragon and all only this one dragon
Speaker 1: keeper that came and brought the news has survived. So
Speaker 1: in other words, you have a fake Darn.
Speaker 3: The reel Darren has his dragon.
Speaker 1: The real Darren is with the High Towers and has
Speaker 1: his dragon, and they are all at Tumbleton. So this
Speaker 1: is like extremely bad news.
Speaker 2: And Vernera's basically like, I'm a fucking burn everyone, and
Speaker 2: the guys like, please don't do that.
Speaker 3: You'll support that. So that's the question, right.
Speaker 1: Well, yes, that's the other thing is Tumbleton did the
Speaker 1: leaders of Tumbleton are the foot Leaves, and the foot
Speaker 1: Leaves are you know, pro queen people. So it would
Speaker 1: be a bad look, certainly to just like burn the
Speaker 1: entire town out. But I'm sure if you're Damon, you're thinking, well,
Speaker 1: everything's got to be on the table right now. Not
Speaker 1: to mention the fact that like Ormond lied, which is
Speaker 1: a thing that shouldn't happen in this world. A person
Speaker 1: of standing, certainly a person of the standing of Ormond
Speaker 1: High Tower is not supposed to make an oath and
Speaker 1: then immediately turn his back.
Speaker 2: Yet I would also say as well, let's talk about
Speaker 2: just before we go to break and kind of really
Speaker 2: break this down. If we talk about like juice levels,
Speaker 2: like fucking absolute crazy plays. This is going to go
Speaker 2: down with Raniera when she was a kid just flying
Speaker 2: that fucking dragon and stop in the war, right, Like
Speaker 2: the fact that he just lied to Damon's face, fake
Speaker 2: fucking pledged while in front of three dragons and gave
Speaker 2: him like I mean, he basically humiliated Damon if you
Speaker 2: really think about it, I mean, Damon's not gonna like that.
Speaker 3: But it also makes Ormond look.
Speaker 2: Pretty fucking good to the rest of the high towers
Speaker 2: who are following because you played him.
Speaker 3: It will be played the rogue print.
Speaker 1: It will be interesting to see if Damon gets any
Speaker 1: blame from Reneerer for this, because I think you could
Speaker 1: argue that, like he fucked up, he fucked it. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll be back to
Speaker 1: discuss this episode. And we're at Okay, Rosie, you're what
Speaker 1: are your big thoughts about episode three? The show continues
Speaker 1: to be really good and get better?
Speaker 2: Your thoughts Okay, so I already like my big picture
Speaker 2: that I think is incredible about this is like I
Speaker 2: have never seen any kind of medieval inspired show that
Speaker 2: as at end interest in looking at like what a
Speaker 2: day in the life of someone on their period would be,
Speaker 2: let alone a queen on her period, and from the
Speaker 2: moment that they break into that and they use the
Speaker 2: kind of like she's always sweating, she's always fidgeting, like
Speaker 2: the cramps are killing her, and she's having to process
Speaker 2: all these life changing decisions. I just think that almost
Speaker 2: certainly that will not get the shine that it deserves,
Speaker 2: and I think it's what the show does so well,
Speaker 2: so I was really happy to see that. I think
Speaker 2: the biggest question I came away with, aside from like, yeah,
Speaker 2: how much is Rnera gonna fuck over Damon for this one?
Speaker 2: Which she deserves, But honestly, I think he's groomed her
Speaker 2: a little bit too much. She doesn't question him as
Speaker 2: much as I think she should. I was very worried
Speaker 2: when she put him in charge of finding her queen's guard.
Speaker 2: I know he believes her now because of the prophecy,
Speaker 2: but I didn't love that. I would have trusted Massiria more.
Speaker 2: But what I also think is really interesting that and
Speaker 2: the person I probably want to know most about is
Speaker 2: like what can you tell me about tor and Mandally?
Speaker 2: I think that is such an incredible introduction to this
Speaker 2: kind of new potential. You know, obviously he's threatening her
Speaker 2: by saying, I know what's really going on, but he's
Speaker 2: also kind of saying, let me be an ally, like
Speaker 2: I like the game you're playing, and we know the
Speaker 2: inkings landing. You need those kind of double crossing kind
Speaker 2: of like allies were also spies. Like is he someone
Speaker 2: that's gonna be a big part in the coming war?
Speaker 3: Is he what can we expect from him? Because I
Speaker 3: thought that was a great intro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is a noble from White Harbor in the north,
Speaker 1: a lord of White Harbor. A very interesting family, the Manderlies.
Speaker 1: The Manderlies were cast. They were formerly a southern family.
Speaker 1: There's a river called the Mander in the southern part
Speaker 1: of the continent, and so they were the founding of
Speaker 1: that family is on the banks of the Mander. But
Speaker 1: they were forced out in ancient times for reasons that
Speaker 1: have kind of like fallen into mystery, and they were
Speaker 1: hounded all the way all the way all the way
Speaker 1: up to the north where they appealed to the Starks,
Speaker 1: and the Starks were like, hey, uh, we'll set you
Speaker 1: up on the banks of the white Knife River and
Speaker 1: they become like the guardians of that river and a
Speaker 1: very important and probably the most wealthy not counting the
Speaker 1: Starks family in the North interesting and are very strong
Speaker 1: Stark loyalists because they owe the Starks for you know,
Speaker 1: bringing it to safety back in the day.
Speaker 3: And he.
Speaker 1: Is, you know, these just kind of like a very
Speaker 1: worldly and established knight and lord. And he's described in
Speaker 1: the books as like clever and a little a little chunky,
Speaker 1: which I think they've done, but like a well good job,
Speaker 1: but like a well spoken man. And we'll see what
Speaker 1: he manages to what kind of impact he manages.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I think you know Venera's lack
Speaker 2: of money right now of coin with that context, I
Speaker 2: find that to be a very interesting potential pairing. Also
Speaker 2: my other big thing, Jason, you know, I've been really
Speaker 2: big on the Rainer Nettles of it all. We get
Speaker 2: the set up here that Rania is going to send
Speaker 2: Damon to the Veil to see Jane and be like,
Speaker 2: give me some money.
Speaker 3: I need some fucking money. You got those swords? Did
Speaker 3: you sell them to the brigands? Give me money.
Speaker 2: Oh different, different movie, but you know, like we need
Speaker 2: the I'm very excited to see where that goes. So
Speaker 2: I think again, this proves that you will once again
Speaker 2: right that Damon is going to make it to the
Speaker 2: Veil and probably realize that it was Rainer before the
Speaker 2: end of the season. Do you think we get that
Speaker 2: in episode five, that confrontation. What do you think is
Speaker 2: how soon do we get to see him.
Speaker 3: Discover sheep steals right a real.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but for me, the thing to watch
Speaker 1: out for is if you remember, Damon way back in
Speaker 1: season one, was married to an important lady of the Veil,
Speaker 1: Raya Royce of the Royce family, and he did murder
Speaker 1: her after like spurning her for a number of years,
Speaker 1: like never ever ever meeting with her, and then finally
Speaker 1: meeting with her and killing her so she could so
Speaker 1: he could be free to marry Raniera. And I just
Speaker 1: get the he's not well regarded in the Veil for
Speaker 1: that reason, and understandable. I wonder how much of an
Speaker 1: impact that will have on what what happens his his
Speaker 1: like diplomatic mission to the Veil. How much that that
Speaker 1: sabotage is it or I.
Speaker 3: Gotta say, like him and Vernera, they are bad plan
Speaker 3: is they need a hand because like, please, Jason, that
Speaker 3: context you just gave is.
Speaker 1: Such a good Corliss is a good Corliss is one
Speaker 1: of the most capable people in the Kingdom. And the
Speaker 1: fact that Rania has at this moment like alienated him,
Speaker 1: I think is going to be really destructive for her
Speaker 1: not to mention. Like Damon is also honestly a solid adviser.
Speaker 1: You always know what he's going to say, which is,
Speaker 1: fuck the small folk, let's go to war, let's kill everybody.
Speaker 1: But sometimes like that's very often, that's very often. That's
Speaker 1: very often, like pretty accurately what they should do. That said,
Speaker 1: you know, if you look around at the people she
Speaker 1: has around her or while is solid, Misaria has no
Speaker 1: idea what she's doing, Like is is I can't imagine
Speaker 1: her being good at this job. She has no connections
Speaker 1: outside of like some small folk in.
Speaker 3: Kingsland has been paid off. Now like this was what
Speaker 3: she wanted.
Speaker 1: I just I just think that having her be the
Speaker 1: Mistress of Whispers, It's like, what connections does she have
Speaker 1: outside of you know, some people in Flea Bottom. She
Speaker 1: doesn't have any connections in the wider country. She doesn't
Speaker 1: have any connections in the great houses anywhere. She doesn't
Speaker 1: even know their handmaidens, their servant, Like can she be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I heard this from my agents in the veil. She
Speaker 1: can't do that. So the fact that Rania has elevated
Speaker 1: her to you know, whatever this is, is I think
Speaker 1: a mistake. I think it's a huge mistake because I
Speaker 1: just don't think she's cut out for it.
Speaker 2: You don't think she's got the Jews, she does not
Speaker 2: have the bron.
Speaker 1: I just think it's a very complex job which she's
Speaker 1: you know, kind of being tasked to do, and I
Speaker 1: don't think she I don't think she can do it.
Speaker 3: Period. Look, let's be real.
Speaker 2: As much as you know, i'd love to see women,
Speaker 2: you know, in a male dominated.
Speaker 3: Workplace, various this one.
Speaker 2: If I would have found out who was flying sheeps
Speaker 2: died a long time ago, like he would have known instantly,
Speaker 2: he would have had a little sparrow out there. He
Speaker 2: would have had that news in a raven to you
Speaker 2: on the day. So you are right, she is not.
Speaker 3: She does not have enough feelers for what Raniera needs.
Speaker 2: Obviously, Carllis is not going to be that advisor to
Speaker 2: her Jason. Another question I have about that specific relationship.
Speaker 2: A scene that I adored. I know it really was
Speaker 2: a big deal for a lot of viewers. Joelle loved
Speaker 2: it was Baylor going to find carllss and speaking to
Speaker 2: Alan and Adam. What do you think this is going
Speaker 2: to do to the relationship between Baylor and Reniera, because
Speaker 2: I feel like that was a really important moment for
Speaker 2: Bayla and kind of that acknowledgment of them being family.
Speaker 2: But also currently Rinera just using Bayla as essentially, you know,
Speaker 2: a flying eye and not necessarily like looking at how
Speaker 2: she is feeling about stuff. Do you think that could
Speaker 2: drive a wedge between them? Do you think that could
Speaker 2: see her side more with Carlis or does she have
Speaker 2: to be with the queen because of loyalty.
Speaker 1: I think it might cause problems, but not current. I
Speaker 1: don't think it will cause pressing issues right now. And
Speaker 1: remember that, you know, I mean, Baylor's Damon's daughter, so
Speaker 1: I know, so that's the thing I think that I
Speaker 1: think that she has stronger ties to Raniera and to Damon.
Speaker 1: Then she asked to Corlis and so you know, it's
Speaker 1: very interesting because in the books, Raniera just kind of
Speaker 1: like grants the request. Oh wow, Adam is Adam Valarion
Speaker 1: by the time of the Battle of the Gullet. So ah,
Speaker 1: this is a way to create a really strong rift
Speaker 1: between these characters, and it'll be interesting to see what
Speaker 1: comes out of it.
Speaker 3: Wow. Okay, I cannot wait to see that. Yeah, now
Speaker 3: that I know that, that's a shift. I love this show, dude,
Speaker 3: I love this shift. It's so good.
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to continue to cover House in the
Speaker 1: Dragon all season long. On the next episode of X
Speaker 1: ray Vision, we're diving into X Men ninety seven, season two,
Speaker 1: episode four. That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening.
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