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Speaker 1: Hello friends, I'm Robert Evans, and this is once again

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Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards, the show where we tell you everything

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Speaker 1: you don't know about the very worst people in all

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Speaker 1: of history. Today we're talking about the worst people in

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Speaker 1: all of history, the Nazis, or rather, we're talking about

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Speaker 1: how Nazism and fascism got started in America way way

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Speaker 1: back in the day. And my guests with me for

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Speaker 1: this debatable topical podcast episode, Cody Johnson, Katie Stole. How

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Speaker 1: are y'all doing today? You know, living in a fascist country?

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Speaker 1: You know? Well, I mean of the way they're getting there.

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Speaker 1: It's like we've got time. It's the national equivalent of

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Speaker 1: when I was a kid and I would get a

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Speaker 1: new video game and I would start installing it. I

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Speaker 1: would know it's going to take like three hours because

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Speaker 1: my computer wasn't that great, But it's like it's on

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Speaker 1: its way, right. You find something else to do, sort

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Speaker 1: of distract. You also keep going into check in is

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Speaker 1: it done yet? Is it done yet? Exactly? We're doing

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Speaker 1: the national equivalent of watching Starship Troopers for the thirty

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Speaker 1: seventh time while we wait for Age of Empires three

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Speaker 1: to down, and then half the country watch the Starship

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Speaker 1: Troopers too, and it's like, this is a good idea

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Speaker 1: for society. I like this. I really like that you

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Speaker 1: picked Starship Troopers too. I'm sorry you were saying t

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Speaker 1: o O. I was thinking about the classic sequel to

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Speaker 1: Starship Troopers. Also, Starship Troopers. Fine film, Fine film. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that's what it's like. Yeah, So have you all

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Speaker 1: ever wondered what the very first American fascism was, like

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Speaker 1: how it got here, Like was it a kind of

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Speaker 1: like did it it boil up naturally? Like I assumed

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Speaker 1: just like I mean, the KKK was one of the first.

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Speaker 1: It's probably proto fascist group. Always just assumed it was

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Speaker 1: a natural evolution of our shittiness. And I know, like

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Speaker 1: the Nazis crafted a lot of the policies on some

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Speaker 1: zekeland b gas chambers from like you know, Passo we

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Speaker 1: have for people coming in from Mexico is stationed to

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Speaker 1: delouse them, and the Nazis were like, oh, with a

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Speaker 1: about ideology and sort of how how fascism? Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: first crept up in America, So y'all will indulge me,

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Speaker 1: yea fascism to creep up? Yeah, it's all right, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna read you, guys, twenty pages awesome stuff, A horror story.

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Speaker 1: Twelve years before Adolph Hitler would become Germany's all powerful fewer,

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Speaker 1: the National Socialist German Workers Party had roughly two thousand members.

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Speaker 1: So it's a well established fact that fascism can rise

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Speaker 1: to dominate a democratic nation from relatively humble beginnings. Keep

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Speaker 1: the American fascist movement in the United States, because more

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Speaker 1: than anything, this is a story about how close the

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Speaker 1: USA came to going down Germany's path. The first fascist

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Speaker 1: government on Earth was formed in late nineteen twenty two

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Speaker 1: when Benito Mussolini and his Black Shirts marched on Rome

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Speaker 1: Interesting King Victor Emmanuel allowed the needed to form a government,

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Speaker 1: and fascists around the world were electrified by the seeming

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Speaker 1: to remember, when we talked about this fascism wasn't like

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Speaker 1: now seventy million people died, and so we're like, oh boy,

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Speaker 1: that point they're like fascist fascist, Maybe this works. I

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Speaker 1: I will not bother imagining the logical conclusion of these beliefs,

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Speaker 1: Yeah cool, this is the first American fascist organization. These

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Speaker 1: guys primarily positioned themselves as against quote atheism, internationalism, free love, communism,

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Speaker 1: nothing superio. Now, the n s t A pledged open

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Speaker 1: other reactionary political organization. Good news, it was about to

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Speaker 1: Now European fascists were actually something of a hindrance the

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Speaker 1: early efforts of American fascist thinkers and activists to organize.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen thirty one, is the Nazi Party crept into

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Speaker 1: It became clear to the Nazis that the existence of

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Speaker 1: It kind of made them look like an evil empire based,

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Speaker 1: United States. The first truly American fascist intellectual was a

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Speaker 1: man named Lawrence Dennis Now. He started out as a

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Speaker 1: his first book, Is Capitalism Doomed? Lawrence worried that it was,

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Speaker 1: filled by something tremendously destructive like communism. Readers of Dennis's

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Speaker 1: I love how, especially today you talked to when you

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Speaker 1: heard of the Boond. Yeah. Now. The boond was led

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Speaker 1: a fascist organization. Their stated purpose was to build support

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Speaker 1: by upward of the electors and nation white plebiscites, but

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Speaker 1: impracticable and inexpedient innovations the American system of government. People

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Speaker 1: the core of American political, social, and economic life, covering

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Speaker 1: an ever widening field of activities which have already developed

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Speaker 1: as long as Jews control to press the radio. The

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Speaker 1: another American fascist landmark. Lawrence Dennis published his second book,

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Speaker 1: A founder review of his book published in Foreign Affairs magazine,

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Speaker 1: it stated, simply, the author of his Capitalism Doomed repeats

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Speaker 1: a hundred million Americans. Yeah, a third of the country

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Speaker 1: is like again, it's probably the most popular any single

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Speaker 1: radio personality ever been. Now Coughlin started out angrily to

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Speaker 1: crying the KKK and moved on to attacking the banks

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Speaker 1: as the Great Depression kicked off. He railed against both

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Speaker 1: capitalist excess and godless communism. By one the focus of

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Speaker 1: most of his ire were the international bankers who had

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Speaker 1: started World War One. The term international bankers was, of

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Speaker 1: course seen by many as a synonym for the term

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Speaker 1: could we put some parentheses around that? They are there?

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Speaker 1: They're there every time. I can't type international bankers and

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Speaker 1: not put parentheses around it. It's just your computer doesn't

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Speaker 1: automatically we know what's going on. That's the clippy clippy

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Speaker 1: just seems like wis Semitism? Would you like to add?

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Speaker 1: If you like to add some priphesy cipp He just

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Speaker 1: starts shouting all over my document here. Now CBS wind

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Speaker 1: up kicking Father Coughlin off the air after his jubating

441
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Speaker 1: got a little bit too hardcore. NBC refused to pick

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Speaker 1: up his show, so Father Coughlin created the Radio League

443
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Speaker 1: of the Little Flower, where for the cost of one

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Speaker 1: dollar a year, users could support Coughlin in his screaming

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Speaker 1: at the people they hated. This allowed him to buy

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Speaker 1: time on eleven and eventually twenty seven stations across the country.

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Speaker 1: He was paying something like a quarter of a million

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Speaker 1: dollars a week to run his radio stations. That's how

449
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Speaker 1: much money is coming into this fucking radio pries and

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Speaker 1: so they were paying for it to be everywhere. It's

451
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Speaker 1: so like a little Patreon, Yeah, like it is, it is.

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Speaker 1: It's exactly that he was ahead of his time. He

453
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Speaker 1: was basically, you sing, Patreon to fund his radio show

454
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Speaker 1: so that he could say what he wanted with no restrictions.

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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna give you one guess as to where

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Speaker 1: he turns when there's no restrictions, towards the light like

457
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Speaker 1: a pyre, maybe furnace, like a burning cross or well.

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Speaker 1: He was against the KA at least each other, at

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Speaker 1: least he was against the k K. Now. In nineteen

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Speaker 1: thirty two, Father Coughlin endorsed Franklin Delano Roosevelt at the

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Speaker 1: d n C. He did this because he was essentially

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Speaker 1: trying to push FDR to fix the depression, and he

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Speaker 1: was very vocal about this. He wanted FDR to fix

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Speaker 1: the depression by minting gold and silver coins in order

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Speaker 1: to create inflation, which would reduce debt and unemployment. So

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Speaker 1: Coughlin turned on FDR when he became present because FDR

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Speaker 1: didn't do any of this. UH. In nineteen thirty four,

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Speaker 1: the Treasury Department announced that Coughlin's secretary owned five hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand ounces of silver and was the largest silver holder

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Speaker 1: in the state of Michigan. The purchase of all this

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Speaker 1: silver paid for in part by donations to the Radio

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Speaker 1: League of the Little Flower. Some people allege that coughlin

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Speaker 1: support of SDR was basically a scheme to make a

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Speaker 1: shipload of money off of silver, saying that also weird,

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Speaker 1: how nothing has changed about radio like I'm waiting for

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Speaker 1: you to be like oh. And then he started selling

477
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Speaker 1: brain to that's an innovation from Alex Jones, but very

478
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Speaker 1: proud spread that to UH, putting sawdust in capsules and

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Speaker 1: selling it to people to fix their brains. The Times. Also, well,

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Speaker 1: that's how you keep them coming back, that razor razor blade,

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Speaker 1: both of which cut the customer philosophy. Yeah, so, whatever

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Speaker 1: the case, Coughlin was piste at the Democrats and announced

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Speaker 1: the start of his own political party, the National Union

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Speaker 1: for Social Justice. Now. The n U s J was

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Speaker 1: open to people of all religions as long as that

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Speaker 1: religion was Christianity, and it called upon Americans to resist

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Speaker 1: communism and socialism. Coughlin also urged the abolition of the

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Speaker 1: Federal Reserve. Near the end of the year, during one

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Speaker 1: of his wildly popular radio broadcasts, Coughlin announced that there

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Speaker 1: was no longer any hope for capitalism or democracy in

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Speaker 1: the United States of America. It's democracy, some sort of

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Speaker 1: dictatorship might be preferable to the current conditions. Baby. By

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Speaker 1: the end of nineteen thirty five, membership and Coughlin's Union

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Speaker 1: was somewhere between one and eight point five million people.

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Speaker 1: The radio priests teamed up with Kenneth Smith, a Midwestern

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Speaker 1: preacher who had worked with Huey Long, and Frances Townsend,

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Speaker 1: a political fire brand who wanted to solve the depression

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Speaker 1: by giving old people huge pensions that they would then

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Speaker 1: be required to support every month. So he gets up

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Speaker 1: with these other two populist politicians, and together there are

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Speaker 1: alliances believed to be as good for as many as

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Speaker 1: twenty million votes. They represent a lot of people, so

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Speaker 1: they begin to campaign around the country, laying the ground

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Speaker 1: for a vast Union Party ticket. In the nineteen thirty

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Speaker 1: six elections. They had great early success. And now that

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Speaker 1: he was addressing crowds of cheering supporters, father Coughland really

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Speaker 1: turned up the anti Semitism. I'm gonna play a short

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Speaker 1: segment from a speech he gave in Cleveland, Cleveland, Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: Whenever something that happens in American history one fourth at

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Speaker 1: the time, it will be in Cleveland, Land of the Cleveland,

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Speaker 1: Land of burning rivers, Cleveland. Everything terrible in America starts there,

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Speaker 1: or at least goes through Cleveland at some point, like

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Speaker 1: a body of water in flames. Is the perfect. Here's

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Speaker 1: a short segment from a speech in Cleveland. We are

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Speaker 1: Christianian soul father, as we believe in christ principle of

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Speaker 1: long young neighbor, as yourself principle. My challenge have read

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Speaker 1: you in this name. You tell me that he does

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Speaker 1: not believing why that was once soon one hell of

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Speaker 1: a synthesis was a sentence with an arc there's a

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Speaker 1: whole heroes journey, and completely cancels out the first part

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Speaker 1: of the sentence. Oh that, well, that's your low pointing

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Speaker 1: to go oh dear God, stunning ra though. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can see why people listen to that. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: that's a voice you can trust. So Unfortunately for the

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Speaker 1: Union for Social Justice, but fortunately for the country and world,

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Speaker 1: Coughlin and Smith were a couple of messy bitches who

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Speaker 1: couldn't keep their ship together. Coughlin got jealous of the

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Speaker 1: fact that Smith was a better public speaker than him

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Speaker 1: and refused to share the stage at any events. Kenneth

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Speaker 1: Smith went bug fuck nuts shortly if thereafter, declared on

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Speaker 1: stage that quote the lunatic fringe is about to take

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Speaker 1: over the government, and then decided that the Union Party

533
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Speaker 1: was too moderate for him, and now his goal was

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Speaker 1: to seize control of the government. This happens October of

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Speaker 1: ninety six. That was the October Surprise. It is one

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Speaker 1: you know, it's not like a tape of admitting to

537
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Speaker 1: like sexual assault. It's just I want to take over

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Speaker 1: the I want to be the dictator. You know what

539
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: I've been talking about, how democracy is bad. Well surprised,

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Speaker 1: I'm a fascist. The Union Party was resoundingly defeated in

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Speaker 1: the election. Coughlin disbanded the party and announced his retirement

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Speaker 1: from broadcasting. This lasted until January of the next year,

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Speaker 1: when he said, in essence, Okay, if y'all want me

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Speaker 1: back that bad I'll come back now. I had a

545
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Speaker 1: lot of trouble deciding how to organize this episode. Bradley Heart,

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Speaker 1: the author of Hitler's American Friends, separates Father Coughlin and

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Speaker 1: the Silver Shirts and the Boon into different chapters. I

548
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Speaker 1: made a decision to try to do all this chronologically

549
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: because I think it's important to really get a sense

550
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Speaker 1: for the pace at which fascism bubbled up in American politics.

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Speaker 1: Cropped up all over the country in a bunch of

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Speaker 1: different locations and among different sections of American society, and

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Speaker 1: at this point in the story there was fairly little

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Speaker 1: convergence between the soundary fascist groups. So the Silver Shirts

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Speaker 1: were active in the nineteen thirty six election as well.

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Speaker 1: Pell Either founder had just recovered from a minor scandal

557
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: he basically defrauded shareholders. In his book production company Galahad Press,

558
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Speaker 1: and used it to fund his fascist militia. Fraud shameless fraud,

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00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: another strong American tradition. He'd been indicted in North Carolina,

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Speaker 1: arrested and convicted, but he was out of jail and

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Speaker 1: back in politics by five. He announced his thousands of

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Speaker 1: followers that God had sent him a message another economic

563
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Speaker 1: crash was coming. He formed the Christian Party, essentially the

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Speaker 1: political wing of the Silver Shirts, in order to rescue

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Speaker 1: America from disaster. Now President Roosevelt, according to Pelly, was

566
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Speaker 1: a secret surprise Jew whose real name was Rosenfeld. God

567
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Speaker 1: Alf Landon, the Republican candidate, was conspiring with FDR to

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Speaker 1: destroy the Christian Party by hosting his campaign events in

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Speaker 1: the same cities that Pelly was. Since the conspiracy against

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Speaker 1: him was clearly so far reaching and powerful, Pelly had

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Speaker 1: to get creative in order to build support. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to read a quote from Hitler's American Friends, and y'all

573
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: are gonna like this part. I want you all to

574
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: think there was a proud boy recently who was exposed

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Speaker 1: one of the violent people, I think in the Portland rallies,

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Speaker 1: and it might have been in New York. There were

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Speaker 1: pictures of him with his I guess wife girlfriend who

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Speaker 1: was a black woman in there and their children just

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Speaker 1: started as trial, So keep that in mind as I

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Speaker 1: read this next point. One of his more bizarre ploys

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Speaker 1: involved an effort to convert Native Americans to the silver

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Speaker 1: Shired cause. Pelly's sudden interest in Native Americans stemmed from

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Speaker 1: a supposed divine realization that the Bureau of Indian Affairs

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Speaker 1: had been taken over by Bolsheviks. Native Americans were therefore

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Speaker 1: natural allies for his political movement because they too were

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Speaker 1: supposedly victims of the Jewish conspiracy Pelly saw everywhere. Among

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Speaker 1: the many problems with this eccentric plan was the fact

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Speaker 1: that Pelly did not actually know many Native Americans. His

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Speaker 1: efforts to reach out by referring to himself as Chief

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Speaker 1: Pelly of the Tribe of Silver and writing articles in

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Speaker 1: pros that could have been lifted from stock characters of

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Speaker 1: Hollywood Westerns gained few supporters, but Pelly did succeed in

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Speaker 1: getting one actual Native American supporter, a Portland attorney named

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Speaker 1: Elwood Towner. Now Towner was part Native American, but he

595
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Speaker 1: saw a money make opportunity in budding American fascism. He

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Speaker 1: started calling himself Chief Red Cloud and began touring booned

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Speaker 1: and silver shirt meetings across the West Coast. Thousands of

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Speaker 1: people who probably wouldn't have shown up to a lecture

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00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: on fascism showed up to see Chief Red Cloud for

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Speaker 1: the same reason. Certain white people today wear featherhead dresses

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Speaker 1: at music festivals. Here's how one attendee at a speech

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Speaker 1: described Elwood dressed in full Indian costume. Beautiful head dress

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Speaker 1: of white, green and lavender feathers, a thunderbird design in

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Speaker 1: the center of his headband with a swastika on each side,

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Speaker 1: pants of buckskin trimmed with fringing beads, a beatd vest,

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Speaker 1: and arm bands beaded in swastika and thunderbird design. I

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Speaker 1: found a picture of the guy and it is this

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Speaker 1: is cringe worthy, pretty special. Oh you can make out

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Speaker 1: those swastikas on the top, can You don't even have

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Speaker 1: to squint? Um surrounding himself by with frauds. And so

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Speaker 1: I found a fun article on Chief Red Cloud on

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Speaker 1: the website cross pet. They noted that he was famous

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Speaker 1: for calling FDRs New Deal the jew deal. Of course,

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Speaker 1: why it's right there. It's right there. You're just leaving

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Speaker 1: racism on the table, not to snatch that exactly, thank you. Furthermore,

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Speaker 1: quote Towner also began preaching a false history of America,

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Speaker 1: saying that George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin had

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Speaker 1: been warned to keep Jews out of America, but were

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Speaker 1: thwarted in getting that provision in the US Constitution, a

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Speaker 1: native American inspired document, he said, by none other than

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Speaker 1: Alexander Hamilton's Townter lectures sometimes included readings from an infamously

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Speaker 1: debunk track embraced by violin andy Semites even today. The

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Speaker 1: protocols of the elders of his Zion. Chief Red Cloud

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Speaker 1: claimed that the coming of Germans to the Americas had

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Speaker 1: been quote glowingly prophesied by his ancestors Jews work quote

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Speaker 1: the gold worshippers who would corrupt the Aryan Indians and

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Speaker 1: put them in concentration camps. He would often close a

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00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: speech by saying, quote, our people admire Hitler for this

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Speaker 1: reason that he adopted for his symbol to swastika. It

630
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Speaker 1: means prosperity, good luck, and Christian government. Hitler also adopted

631
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Speaker 1: our salut, which means peace be unto you, advanced friend.

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Speaker 1: So that's what these mic stands are saying, exactly, advanced friend,

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Speaker 1: advanced friends, old worshippers, unlike us silver worshippers. And it's

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Speaker 1: important to note that Chief Red Clown went around to

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Speaker 1: all the different He was at the Bond, he was

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Speaker 1: with the Silver Shirts, he hung out an Italian Fascist meetings,

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Speaker 1: I think, and he made a lot of money during

638
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: these years doing this like this seems to have been

639
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: a grift. I don't know. Maybe he also believed all

640
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: of this. I mean, YEA half of it's usually a grift, right,

641
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of it is. He's putting on

642
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: a performance here. His name is Elwood and he was

643
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: a lawyer before this, which didn't even a good name. No,

644
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: it's not el would l Wood makes me think of

645
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: the Reds exactly. Trust this guy. There you go. You

646
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: might be a secret communist, which is the same thing

647
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: as fascism according to fascist today. It's the same thing

648
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: and one's worse. Who can keeping. I do love it

649
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: when you get the Nazis who will both simultaneously, didn't

650
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: I Nazi crimes and also point out the socialist part

651
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: of yes It's like, what is even the argument you're making.

652
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: It didn't happen. Also, they were communists. My favorite thing.

653
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: I was also like, oh, the you know, the nuts

654
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: socialists right there in the name the healthcare and all

655
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: that stuff. And the second the president says he's a nationalist,

656
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, that's good. That's the good part. The

657
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: good part of the nutsies was the nationalist part. If

658
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 1: they just hadn't had that socialism, it would have been fine.

659
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: Fun fact they did kill all of the socialists. That

660
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: was what The Night Long Knives was interesting. Fun facts there,

661
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: that's fact that everyone should know but doesn'tism and rejected

662
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: the very idea of like class conflict. Ye oh history

663
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: hierarchies need to look too closely ato history because history

664
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: is boring and no one learns anything from it. Ever,

665
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: why would you not to happen again? It was such

666
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: a ride the last time, right, but maybe this time

667
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: it will be different. So, in spite of Chief Red

668
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: Cloud's endorsement, Pelly's Christian Party did not do well in

669
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: the nineteen thirty six elections. They only made it on

670
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: the balant in Washington State and they didn't even rack

671
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 1: up two thousand votes in Washington. So the German American

672
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: boond was of course also active in the nineteen six election.

673
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: They took a different tack than their other far right compatriots.

674
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: They did not create a political party, since they were

675
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: explicitly not supposed to be a political party. They instead

676
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: through their support behind the party they saw as most

677
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: being supportive of Nazi Germany. So in October ninety six,

678
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 1: Fritz Kun announced a bund command to all his members,

679
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 1: ordering them to vote for alf Land and the Republican

680
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: presidential candidate. He claimed that Landing's administration would have quote

681
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: more favorable commercial relations with Germany. He also attacked Roosevelt's

682
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: quote preference for the Jewish element and his placing of

683
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: too many Jews in public office. Land And did not win. Sorry,

684
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: end of story of story. You're dead and forgotten now

685
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: happily ever after there, but he's got some pages in

686
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: his hand. So the party, it would have been most

687
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: beneficial to the Nazis. That's what the Nazis thought. It

688
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: seems to be what how the Nazis thought about Yeah, yeah,

689
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: So the six elections were kind of a defeat across

690
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: the board for the American fascist movement. But the increased

691
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: visibility they've gotten in the press and through the speaking

692
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: tours of people like Coughlin and Pelly, and of course

693
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 1: Chief Red Cloud had made the country meant that as

694
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty seven dawned, more Americans than ever we're curious

695
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: about in sympathetic towards fascism. A Gallop poll taken that

696
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: year asked respondents whether they prefer to live under fascism

697
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: more communism. Of Americans picked fascism. Yeah, idiots, I feel

698
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: like this is gonna work out great for me. Oh

699
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 1: my gosh. So we're gonna get into what came next

700
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: for fascism in America, But first what comes next for

701
00:38:53,960 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: ads on this pod podcast? And we're back. We're back

702
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: when we're talking about fascism. So why because it's not

703
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,959
Speaker 1: relevant to things happening today? Yeah? Good, Yeah, I'm tired

704
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: of things being relevant. Today is useless. So the late

705
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: thirties was a time of great growth and increasing acceptance

706
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: of fascism in America. The German American Boond opened a

707
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: network of summer camps in the United States. As an

708
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: undercover reporter in the Boond, John C. Metcalfe later testified

709
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 1: quote American boys and girls sing hymns to dare fewer

710
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: and to the Vaterland. They have never seen their youthful

711
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 1: feet goose step in a march of racial and religious hatred.

712
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: The minds and souls of these babes in the woods

713
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: are a fertile field for the propaganda of the boond thing. Yeah,

714
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: this part, because that's one of the most maybe not

715
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: the most chilling thing about Nazi Germany, but it is

716
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: chilling to me when I think about the indoctrination and

717
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: what they what they did to these kids. Yeah, it's

718
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: this gariest part. And now it's unclear how many total

719
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: American children went through boon to training camps and received

720
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: Nazi indoctrination. Bradley Heart, author of Hitler's American Friends, estimates

721
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: around seventy two hundred per year, so God probably the

722
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: biggest camp. Sigfried was located in New York and turned

723
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: into something of a Nazi town right in the East Coast.

724
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 1: There was a small neighborhood of houses and the whole

725
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 1: camp was owned collectively by the homeowners on the land.

726
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: Quote Atolf Hitler Street was a major thoroughfare. Streets were

727
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: similarly named for Nazi big wigs guests from Germany were

728
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: frequently hosted at Siegfried, and during the summer, the O

729
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: D trained there with rifles and other firearms. Promising members

730
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: of the Youth Division from all over the country were

731
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: also sent to Sigfried. The further the education and training,

732
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: making it effectively the center of boone training operations nationwide.

733
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: Major celebrations such as the Fourth of July celebrations that

734
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: began this chapter could attract tens of thousands of people

735
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: from New York City to Sigfried's leafy surroundings. So tens

736
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: of thousands of Americans being like, I'm not on board

737
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,479
Speaker 1: with the Nazis, but I want to see their firework show,

738
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: and thousands and thousands of kids being like a community thing. Yeah,

739
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: I bet all those little Nazis grew up to be

740
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 1: adult Nazis and acreated children that are now running. Maybe

741
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: not now, but I bet we'll never have an episode

742
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: where we talk about what some of the people who

743
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: went to the summer camps went on to do. I

744
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: will not take that now. On an interesting site, note,

745
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: the Nazi homeowners Association that owned Siegfried continue to be

746
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: a thing after the bone collapsed at the outbreak of war.

747
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: They even had rules about what races you couldn't be

748
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 1: to live there. The Board of Homeowners had to sign

749
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: off any new buyers met their quote racial qualifications. Do

750
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 1: you want to guess how long this went on? How

751
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 1: long this Nazi homeowners Association? That I want to guess decades?

752
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: A lawsuit found out in a violation of the Fair

753
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: Housing Act in two thousand fifteen. That is a way

754
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: past what I thought you were going to say. I

755
00:41:52,400 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: repaired to be shocked at goodness stuff that's now. I

756
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: bet you're all wondering just what the funk went on

757
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: in America's Nazi summer camps. Good News. Charles Bokowski went

758
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: to one as a kid and wrote extensively about the experience.

759
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 1: He became a member of the Bund in nineteen thirty

760
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: eight at age eighteen, and remained one until the outbreak

761
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: of war in nineteen forty one. Later in life, he

762
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: wrote a novel ham on Rye, where he basically fictionalized

763
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: his real experiences as a young Nazi and explains why

764
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: the movement was so compelling to him. Because he was

765
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: born in Germany, so he was a first generation German

766
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 1: American immigrant quote. I had no freedom. I had nothing.

767
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: With Hitler around, maybe I'd get a piece of ass

768
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: now and then, and more than a dollar a week allowance.

769
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: As far as I could rationalize, I had nothing to protect.

770
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: Having been born in Germany, there was a natural loyalty,

771
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: and I didn't like to see the whole German nation

772
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: the people depicted everywhere as monsters and idiots in the

773
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: movie theaters. They sped up the news reels to make

774
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: Hitler and Mussolini look like frenetic madman. Also, with all

775
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: the instructors being anti German, I found it personally impossible

776
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: to simply agree with him. Out of sheer alienation and

777
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 1: a natural contrariness, I decided to align myself against their

778
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: point of view. That's how it happens. That's exactly it.

779
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: I mean, that's actually very well said, like he's a

780
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: great artist, writer, yeah, and self reflective and really on

781
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: the ball in terms. That is exactly a thousand just

782
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: like yeah, but yeah, but thats just like stamp, like

783
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: that's I'm tired of you telling me that my people

784
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: are bad and yeah, which there was unfair demonization of

785
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: the Germans during World War One, they weren't really any

786
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: worse than any of the other sides. Everyone was garbage

787
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: in World War One, it was a garbage war. But

788
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: world wars in general, nobody comes across looking great. And

789
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: the Worldwide War, yeah, where we decide civilians and civilian

790
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: cities are acceptable targets. Universally, nobody's the great guy. Although

791
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: it's just really easy to look good next to the Nazis.

792
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 1: It is super easy, uh, natural contrarian. Yeah. Boukaski also

793
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: gives a typically blunt rundown of one of their meetings. Quote,

794
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: we went down into a seller. They had this great,

795
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: big American flag there. We all stepped to pledge allegiance

796
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: to the flag. Then we started talking about the communist menace.

797
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 1: So I want to note that I learned all about

798
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: this from a u C. Boulder undergraduate honors thesis by

799
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: Patrick Rodriguez, So thank you Patrick, probably otherwise it's very useful.

800
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 1: He also describes how the armed wing of the Boon

801
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: to the O D was formed and trained into something

802
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: approaching a militia, even while the Bond continued to maintain

803
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: a b now frame friendly exterior quote, composing roughly ten

804
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: percent of the Boons membership. The o D, despite its name,

805
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 1: which translates into Armed Guard, was an unarmed ceremonial organization

806
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: reserve for ambitious young men between the ages of eighteen

807
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: and twenty five. Because it offered close proximity to the boons,

808
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: fear full access to the bones recreational facilities such as

809
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: Camp Sigfreed and Upstate New York, and the promise of

810
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: a steady wage, young men flocked to the o D.

811
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: For support. For less athletic individuals, the BUND offered other

812
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: possibilities for economic advancement. The BUND often used its propaganda

813
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: machinery to promote the small businesses of Pro German Pro

814
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: American members, such was the case with Cafe Hendenburg, a

815
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: cocktail lounge in Manhattan named after Paul von Hendenberg. So

816
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: this is a complicated situation. There are other reasons at

817
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: this point other than just being an inherent monster that

818
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: people support these organizations like Kowski grew up like well.

819
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: I think that's important when you're looking at the rise

820
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: of any of these movements, and Nazi Germany is not

821
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: a lot of it because we hate Jews. It's because

822
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 1: we are afraid and we don't know what to do next,

823
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: And we really are in kind of dire straits, and

824
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: this is a different answer. Everything is fucked up and

825
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: confused every exactly, no one knows what's going to happen,

826
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: and that's why those are the environments where these things happen.

827
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 1: That's literally the birth of American fascism is that Lawrence

828
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: Dennis being like, capitalism seems like it's on its way out.

829
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 1: Something's got to great depression, right, Everyone's looking for answers,

830
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: and sometimes grifters might take advantage of that. Yeah, what's

831
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: your issue with Chief red Cloud? Nothing? Nothing. He sounds trustworthy.

832
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: I feel like he's the hero of this episode. You

833
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: feel like that, But just sit tight, just just so.

834
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: Hitler actually cut off funding to the German American Boon

835
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: in ninety eight. Some of that probably had to do

836
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: with the fact that John Metcalfe, that undercover reporter, started

837
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: publishing his articles from the inside of the Boon in

838
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: ninety seven. There's a lot to talk about. Metcalf's a

839
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: real hero and like one of these journals who gets

840
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: inside this organization and like both writes good articles about

841
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: it but also provides the government with information about the

842
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: crimes that they're committing. He's a real cool guy. Um,

843
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: big fan of John Metal, different kind of podcast, different

844
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: kind of behind the guys who weren't bad. Um. So

845
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: it seems like the funding to the b in front

846
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: of the bastard fists punching. Now it seems like the

847
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: bones funding was cut off because the fewer was again

848
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: were read about upsetting US public opinion. If so, that's

849
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: actually more evidence for how out of touch Hitler was

850
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: with the United States. In June of nineteen thirty eight,

851
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: Gallop asked Americans which was worse fascism or communism. Nearly

852
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: half of respondents didn't answer said communism. Just twenty three

853
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: found fascism more dangerous now. Ernst hm Stengel A Putsy

854
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: was a good friend of Hitler's and an American. For

855
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: some reference, Hitler was in love with his wife for

856
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 1: a while, and she stopped him from killing himself after

857
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 1: he sucked up the beer hall. Pusch had a weird

858
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: crush on her. What's wrong with you? I mean, no, yeah,

859
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: it's me. I'm not gonna bag on Helena. I'm gonna

860
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: bag on Putsy. I mean they all were probably pretty fashy,

861
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: I mean, right, like none of them are great people.

862
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: Putsy was later interviewed by the US government about Hitler

863
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: because he had a falling out. He wasn't around for

864
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 1: the whole World War two thing. Um, that whole thing,

865
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: that old chest no. Hun Stengel said that Hitler had

866
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: a quote wildly superficial understanding of American culture. I never

867
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: really see seated in bringing home the importance of America

868
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: as an integral factor in European politics. To Hitler, he

869
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: wanted to hear all about the skyscrapers and was fascinated

870
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: by details of technical progress, but failed utterly to draw

871
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: logical conclusions from the information. Now, Hitler did at one

872
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: point express interest in making a pact with the klu

873
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: Klux Klan, so he never really seemed all that motivated

874
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: to push fascism in America. But in ninety eight American

875
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: fascism seemed to be doing pretty well without Hitler's help.

876
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: Pelly published a manual take that take that Hitler believed

877
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: in US. Pelly published a manual a million Silver Shirts

878
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: by nineteen thirty nine, and announced that each state needed

879
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: to sign up one hundred new fascists every day. The

880
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,919
Speaker 1: Silver Shirts launched a major recruitment drive exnaying the anti

881
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 1: Semitism and really hampering on communism. One Washington State fascist

882
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: wrote that year to a critic, the only reason we

883
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: make open opposition to the Jews is because they're the

884
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: ones who support communism, which is atheism, and are out

885
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: to destroy Christianity. We're not jew haterss reported, we are

886
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: only again their system. I do not hate a single Jew,

887
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: but I do feel sorry for them. I do not

888
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: hate a single person on this earth, including all Jews,

889
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: but I do feel sorry for them. You really talked

890
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: about the Jews at you really dropped, really really emphasized

891
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: they're Jewish and their atheists. Yeah, okay, okay, I just

892
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: want to make sure who listened unfailingly to their rabbi

893
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: because they're atheists. Totally honestly checks out. Yeah, it really

894
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: seems to hold together tight. So the mild rhetoric was

895
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: in direct contrast to their behavior. Pelly the Chief traveled

896
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 1: with a forty man bodyguard, all of whom carried pistols

897
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: openly and basically told law enforcement and soul towns, what

898
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: are you going to do about it? Also, in a

899
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: silver shirt officer told a Milwaukee reporter that all members

900
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: of the Legion had been advised to buy sought off

901
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: shotguns and two thousand rounds of AMMO in order to

902
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: protect quote white Christian America. Yeah. So President Roosevelt was

903
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 1: obviously not super happy with the violent Nazi rhetoric UH

904
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: and the MILITIAUS one. One would hope he'd have his

905
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 1: finger on that button. He was particularly concerned with Pelly

906
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: and asked the d o J I would be possible

907
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: to sue him for libel. They weren't able to do

908
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: that initially, but this does start a chain of reactions

909
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: that leads to prosecutions for Pelly and the gradual end

910
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 1: of the Silver Shirts. They don't wind up taking America

911
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: by storm. Um, But there were plenty of other American fascists,

912
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: don't you worry. One of them was John wyn Rod.

913
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: John wyn Rod was also a huge fan of the

914
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: Protocols of the Elders of Zion and of course of

915
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 1: Father Coughlin, And when Father Coughlin's Union Party fell apart

916
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: in nineteen thirties six, when Rod decided to try and

917
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: pick up the pieces. In nineteen thirty eight, one of

918
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: Kansas's Senate seats was open, and when Rod decided the

919
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: Democratic incumbent looked vulnerable John Wyn Rod's plan was to

920
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: win election in nineteen thirty eight and then ride this

921
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: surely forming red wave into the Republican nomination for the

922
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: nineteen forty presidential election. He started a radio show and

923
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: bought time on stations all over the country, mostly lamenting

924
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: the state of the economy and making veiled references to Jews. Quote,

925
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: perhaps you have thought the United States Congress controls the

926
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: nation's money. This most decidedly is not the case. Who

927
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 1: decided that I'll give you one guest and three letters.

928
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 1: So when Rod attacked Roosevelt for going after the Fascist

929
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: powers without equally criticizing the Soviet Union. When Rod harangued

930
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: voters twice a day on the air, and he gave

931
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: speeches that attracted audiences of thousands, he was only defeated

932
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: in Kansas because the state Republican Party united against him

933
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 1: and convinced former Governor Clyde Reid to want to run

934
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: an opposition. The Republicans successfully opposed him and voted not

935
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: Fascist into office when Rod still received fifty three votes,

936
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: but hey, the Republican Party, unlike the episode that will

937
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: have run like the week before this, they like three

938
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: states to stop fascists. They have their act together and

939
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: this they're boy don't. Yeah, we don't want people to

940
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: mistake conservatism for fascism. So we should oppose fascists refreshing

941
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: if we give it a few decades, if only Republicans

942
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: would take a leap of nineteen thirty eight Republicans. So.

943
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: Father Coughlin was also active in nineteen thirty eight. In

944
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: January of that year, he founded the Christian Front, a

945
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: nationwide organization dedicated to fighting communism. Jews were forbidden from joining.

946
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: Members were encouraged to arm themselves and regularly trained at

947
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,439
Speaker 1: gun ranges. The Christian Front proved popular with the same

948
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: sort of people who become Proud Boys today. Soon mobs

949
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: of them were beating up Jews on the street in

950
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: various cities. Some even called themselves Father Coughlin's brown Shirts.

951
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: It became known that during rallies where Father Coughlin would speak,

952
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 1: the Christian Front members would fight with anti fascist protesters,

953
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 1: because again, get out of here, man, nothing ever changes

954
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: in all of history. Everything is the same. So hate this.

955
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: It's pretty wild. It's just the safe thing and it's

956
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 1: like it's just all stuff like yeah, like I see

957
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: this parallel, but then just like every single thing saying

958
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: you're a little on the nose. It's like a guy

959
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: covered in pro Trump propaganda stickers mailing bombs to all

960
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: the people Trump on the nose. That sounds yet and

961
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: yet Yet. In February nine, Fritz Kun held an event

962
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: that would prove to be the apex of the German

963
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: American Buns power. Twenty two thousand Buddhists and sympathetic listeners

964
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: showed up at Madison Square Garden for a gigantic America

965
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: themed Nazi rally. It was billed as a mass demonstration

966
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: for true Americanism and a celebration of George Washington's birthday

967
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: and the book Swastika Nation. Arnie Bernstein writes, quote, the

968
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: unprecedented event was really intended to be the German American

969
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: boons apothesis, proof positive to America and the world as

970
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: well as Berlin, that the American Nazis were here to stay.

971
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: The rally was to be a Coon's shining moment, an

972
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: elaborate pageant and vivid showcase of all he had built

973
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: in three years. Coon's dream of a Swastika nation would

974
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: be on display for the whole world, right in the

975
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: heart of what Berlin Press called the semitized metropolis of

976
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: New York. Nearly one hundred thousand counter protesters also showed up.

977
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 1: You might wait, one hundred thousand almost, you might call

978
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: them many fascists want to call that a good way

979
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: to do it. We'll figure it out, yeah, opposite of

980
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 1: sevent hundred police officers were deployed to keep the Nazis safe.

981
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,399
Speaker 1: At the time, this was the largest show of force

982
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: in NYPD history. There is quite a lot of video

983
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: of this rally, and it is it is fucking chilling.

984
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: It's been cut into a short documentary called A Night

985
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: at the Garden, which you can watch online. The rally

986
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: stage has a full marching band and a giant painting

987
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: of George Washington that honestly looks exactly like a fucking

988
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: screen grab from a bioshot game like that on the

989
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: nose it In the addition, includes a man I can

990
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: only describe a sig hiling ted cruise because look at that.

991
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: I just look at this other dare look at that ship.

992
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: That's Nazi ted cruz. I'll put that picture up to like,

993
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: it's just it's uncanny. It's really that's got to be

994
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 1: a relation. It's a really close. Look right, it's really close.

995
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,760
Speaker 1: I'll check out. So the rally opened with the pledge

996
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: of allegiance slightly notified, and I think you guys should

997
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: hear this. You do captive audience pledge allegiance to mine.

998
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: I recommend watching the documentary and seeing this because, like

999
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: the visuals of this are pretty pretty goddamn striking fled

1000
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: on the allegiance to the flat off the United States

1001
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: of America, Pop, we should stands one nation, indivisible with

1002
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: liberty and justice fall. It's it's like a fucking screen

1003
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: from an bad alternate history movie. Yeah, I pledge. What

1004
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: did they say? I pledge undivided allegiance. Was like, that's

1005
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 1: a that's a wrinkle on that. So Fritz Kun took

1006
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: the stage next and began to deliver a speech, at

1007
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: which point a Jewish American protester who worked as a

1008
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: janitor in Madison Square Garden rushed onto the stage and

1009
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: was horribly beaten and stripped mostly naked by the Nazis.

1010
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,919
Speaker 1: He had to be rescued by the NYPD. The whole

1011
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: moment was actually filmed and we are going to watch it. Yeah,

1012
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: are actively fighting for on our charter, first, our social

1013
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: rust right, changed states, second Union, free from the domination. Yeah.

1014
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: That people cheering the beating of a man. That's hard

1015
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: to watch. Yeah, it's rough, it's real rough. The good

1016
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: news is that this rally at Madison Square Garden would

1017
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: prove to be the high water mark for the German

1018
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: American Bund, but not it turned out for fascism in America.

1019
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: When we come back in part two, we're going to

1020
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: talk about the fall of Fritz Kun, one potential candidate

1021
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: for American fere and the rise of a second candidate,

1022
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: Charles Lindbergh. So so upset, it's really it really makes

1023
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: you feel like wanting to die. It's it's bad, real bad,

1024
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: and like so not far off, no, no, no, and

1025
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: like knowing who's in charge and like what he wants

1026
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: and like what he's like into and what he accepts,

1027
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: and like it's it's one of the things that is

1028
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: interesting to me. We will save the explicitly political stuff

1029
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: in the end of part two, but this book, Hitler's

1030
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: American Friends, is the second book that I've talked about

1031
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: heavily on this podcast this year, the first being The

1032
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: Death of Democracy, both of which are written by scholars

1033
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: and historians who focus on the history of the Third

1034
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: Reich in the end of the Vimy Republic. Multiple of

1035
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: them now have all been like, I should really need

1036
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: to put out a book that specifically addresses the things

1037
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: that are happening now that happened because it's so similar. Now. Yeah,

1038
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: this book was written and Hitler's American Friends was written

1039
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: in reaction to so was the Death of Democracy? Really? Yeah,

1040
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,479
Speaker 1: they put them out because they were like, oh my god,

1041
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: this is the thing I've studied my entire life and

1042
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: it seems to be happy again. That's the thing that

1043
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: we don't talk about or not, or we do talk

1044
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: about it, but we talk We talked about it that

1045
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: people don't talk about it because in many ways it's like, yeah,

1046
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: there are similarities. Uh, there are things that hopefully aren't

1047
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: going to happen, but there are things that have happened

1048
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: that didn't happen, Like there are things that this is

1049
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: further along then ever before here at least. Yeah, when

1050
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: people were calling George W. Bush a Nazi or Hitler,

1051
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: it was left wing protesters but it was not academics,

1052
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: it was not people who would specifically spent their life

1053
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: studying this period in history. They're all coming out now,

1054
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: you don't find any being like, no, the comparisons to

1055
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: fascism Nazism are overblown, Like they're all like, no, this

1056
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: is really concerning every single one of them. And it's

1057
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: always people who study the part before the stuff that

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Speaker 1: everyone before all of the killing, right, Yeah, like every

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Speaker 1: single person is like what like if if if you

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Speaker 1: were a fascist, could you say he was a fascist?

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Speaker 1: Well that's the second half. Like we're not yet, That's

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Speaker 1: what it's so maddening. Uh, And like self proclaimed like

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Speaker 1: intellectuals and like thought leaders who like just dismiss it

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Speaker 1: outright when like no, literally people who studied this for

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Speaker 1: a living are talking about and the guy who came

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Speaker 1: up with Godwin's Laws specifically said like no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: you do it, do it. It's this is the time,

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Speaker 1: this is the time. And like I didn't realize that

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Speaker 1: both those books were They're not the only ones written

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Speaker 1: in direct reaction to the current things happening in America

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Speaker 1: by scholars of that, but they're the two we've talked

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Speaker 1: about this. Yeah, um, and even that um, I forget

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Speaker 1: his name, came out and was like talking about the

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Speaker 1: similar between miss McConnell. Uh, and just like, yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: the guy who might have been Kurt Vuncher one of

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Speaker 1: the guys oh to Hendenburg, right, um, and just like yeah,

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Speaker 1: he literally used the phrase the grave digger of democracy

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Speaker 1: because he spent his entire career obsessed with money and

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Speaker 1: power and doing his best to suppressed democracy and go

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Speaker 1: along with whoever gives him more power, but to do

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Speaker 1: the things he wants. We have failed to not talk

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Speaker 1: about politics at the end of this. We're gonna get

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Speaker 1: into more Nazis next time on Thursday, and there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be some fun stuff in this one. I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna it's gonna be really neat no more. Chief

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Speaker 1: red Cloud played his part, you know he did, and

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Speaker 1: there is still a surprise reveal ahead. So yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna were about Lawrence founder American Fashions Up. Turns out

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Speaker 1: video about a Nazi rally and Madison Square Garden and

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Speaker 1: You guys. Alright, this has been the podcast I have

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