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Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 3: There just was a lot of division, I think within

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Speaker 3: the ranks on those two staffs, and I think they

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Speaker 3: can really undermine what you're doing as a head coach.

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Speaker 4: When Barth's cheating on you with David andrews Now on

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Speaker 4: that his new podcast, you should ask him a lot.

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Speaker 5: That's a fair point.

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Speaker 2: I can just see Evan, he's watching the Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: and he's got his jersey mics and he's like half

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Speaker 2: bites like they're running a six to one with the Tills.

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Speaker 6: We all decided at some point that red meat was

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Speaker 6: the devil. So I don't know who you people are

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Speaker 6: eating a lot of red meat.

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Speaker 5: Is not eat anything that bleeds or blood at one time.

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Speaker 6: That's not It's not the best for you.

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Speaker 5: Can I go to my dark negative side.

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Speaker 3: Sure of course, that's why you're here, which people like

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Speaker 3: you in front of it.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, they got nothing three hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 3: This makes the package they got for Mookie Bats look

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Speaker 3: like they got Jason bear attack in.

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Speaker 6: Deren Hall for Heathcliffe and is the trade hit on

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Speaker 6: by the way, July end of July. I just don't

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Speaker 6: know why trading.

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Speaker 5: For a month and a half. It's a month and

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Speaker 5: a half from now.

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Speaker 6: You don't know how calendars work.

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Speaker 3: It's less than a month of west he said, end

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Speaker 3: of July.

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Speaker 6: Usually it's the middle of July. But but it's the

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Speaker 5: Now the seventh. That's the middle of children, middle of June.

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Speaker 6: So it's less than a month away.

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Speaker 5: I said a month and a half because he said

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Speaker 5: it was the end of July.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 5: All right, welcome, red Light go on? But now I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, madam, it is a special fourth of July Eve

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Speaker 2: show with starring Deuce Evan, Paul, Fred Matt and Nabooth World.

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Speaker 5: Is that a face? Of course it is fourth What

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Speaker 5: are the.

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Speaker 6: Traditions for that?

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Speaker 4: You get bro find you don't make your powders on

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Speaker 4: the third?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: What some places do the fireworks on the third?

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Speaker 5: Listen?

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Speaker 2: My town did the fireworks last Saturday, and I forgot

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Speaker 2: and the dog went was Yeah, usually I can prep

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Speaker 6: Know, yeah, I'm going to value or something. How do

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Speaker 6: you prep your dog? It's a real thing.

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Speaker 6: They're terrifying.

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Speaker 5: I know it is. Yeah, poor thing.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Yeah, that went on for seventeen minutes, literally across

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Speaker 2: the street from Jeez. So but yes, some town towns

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Speaker 2: do do it on the third tonight.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, need them does it on the third? I think

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Speaker 6: because like people have plans on the fourth.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. This Fourth of July is probably my second favorite.

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Speaker 3: Holiday behind Christmas.

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Speaker 5: Fair. Yeah, look at that good rankings Power rank my holiday.

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Speaker 2: It's like Israel and Palestine coming together.

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Speaker 5: That's yeah. Fourthge life for you is a big one.

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Speaker 5: That's like everything everything you love. I love it. Yeah

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Speaker 5: you said that. I love it. And the food's better,

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Speaker 5: but I do like Christmas the best.

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Speaker 6: So you don't have turkey?

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't you say that four traditional Fourth of July food

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Speaker 3: By launch Nesgiving food is the most overrated absolute and.

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Speaker 5: My mom for Fourth of July we'd always get a

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Speaker 5: big roast. It was just what's the best a roast?

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Speaker 5: I went to the movies here.

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Speaker 4: I've been on a little vacation and I saw a

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Speaker 6: How did you see you? For a movie?

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Speaker 5: They're releasing it, Evan, because it's a classic. Well Fleet

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Speaker 5: drives playing it. Are they really I don't know. August

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Speaker 4: They re release it, and they also are giving away

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Speaker 4: On's got my name written all over it, I think

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Speaker 5: Maybe Paul's got under something, He's got under the boat.

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Speaker 4: We can we can just talk the whole movie and

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Speaker 5: Were just line for line the whole you had to

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Speaker 4: That was something for the group because I was at

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Speaker 5: Like, Oh, this isn't gonna be good. They're just talking.

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Speaker 5: So I was just I thought of you guys because

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Speaker 4: And that's what I said to my kids afterwards, is

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Speaker 2: Mean, it was just they were talking the whole the

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Speaker 3: You can't hit him saying I don't have to hammer.

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Speaker 3: Well that's where the that's your phone conversation.

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Speaker 5: Here's the thing, detective.

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Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking about, the same thing in

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Speaker 4: And then but you know how like movie movie, like

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Speaker 5: That's why if you're not here to watch the movie,

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Speaker 6: So it was so I didn't the movie and self

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Speaker 4: Now the movie wasn't great, but it's like, though, so

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Speaker 5: Bit more entertaining. Three. No, it's his Jurassic part of

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Speaker 6: So it's upsetting to me that, like, did Hollywood so unriginal?

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Speaker 6: Now that we're on like Jurassic Park seventeen, it was like,

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Speaker 5: We had to count out it's eight you're right movie,

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Speaker 6: And I thought the Chris Pratt reboot wasn't terrible. But

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Speaker 2: But it's just the same thing. Every time you get loose.

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Speaker 5: Then I get loose the same thing.

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Speaker 6: It's there was some jokes like that and the Chris

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Speaker 5: That was summer movie, you know, thing to do in

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Speaker 5: the summer, go see a movie. All right, Patriots, what

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Speaker 3: I mean, based on the first eight minutes of the show,

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Speaker 2: I was listening to Paul's show, or one of Paul's

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Speaker 2: the offensive cordinators and Josh McDaniels came up like twenty

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Speaker 6: I don't look at.

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Speaker 2: I mean, is that is that the bias of the

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Speaker 3: So coming in I looked at and I was originally

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Speaker 3: But there was other guys like Brian Dabele. What do

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Speaker 5: You know these are guys.

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Speaker 6: I have the list, like it's the list with all

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Speaker 5: So there's a Kevin O'Connell arguable.

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Speaker 3: they're all going to say no. Those guys are all

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Speaker 3: But Brian Dabele I would think still had a good reputation,

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Speaker 5: So that's why I took it.

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Speaker 3: This is more of an indictment in the offense, I

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because if Dabe was still with Josh Allen, he's

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Speaker 6: Have I have a lot of gripes with this list,

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Speaker 3: But the top ten you're okay with? Right, top ten

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Speaker 5: How many of those?

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Speaker 6: Like how is Dave Knalis thirteen on this list?

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Speaker 3: You know Zach Taylor with Kingsbury, Dave Canalis, Joe Brady

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Speaker 2: So, what what are what are the correct here? It's

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Speaker 6: You know, like Zach Taylor at eighteen ahead of Josh

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Speaker 6: McDaniels is laughable. Like if you gave Josh McDaniels, Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 2: But I'm just wondering, like, what are the what are

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Speaker 6: It's a good question because you guys in the middle ten.

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Speaker 3: I thought Stefanski was actually low based on what he's

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Speaker 5: Times agree with that.

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Speaker 6: Well, now Ben Johnson's a head coach.

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Speaker 5: So it's like the first seven are all head coaches.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but so the criteria, it doesn't even have an

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Speaker 6: author on here. The criteria is a reputation, recent performance,

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Speaker 6: current scheme, and trajectory. And to me, like that's not

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Speaker 2: So I think they're like they're just calling an offensive

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Speaker 6: I guess because like technically the architects like deduce his point,

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Speaker 6: like Kyle Shanahan is the architect of the forty nine

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Speaker 6: their head coach. So yeah, it in order to include

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Speaker 6: guys like Shanahan, McVeigh Andy Reid, like you have to

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Speaker 3: If I were doing this list, I would absolutely have

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Speaker 5: They're running the office drive of the offense. Right.

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Speaker 3: But I do think that one of the things that

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Speaker 3: you know, recent recent trends. I think that he probably

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Speaker 3: does get knocked stable reputation. Yeah, Table and mc daniels,

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Speaker 3: I think for their recent time. I think if you

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Speaker 3: with Evans's point about well, jeez, if he gave McDaniels

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Speaker 2: And and you know, I get what people are saying

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Speaker 2: I do think McDaniels has shown adaptability over the years.

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Speaker 5: I mean he went in O seven.

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Speaker 2: Once he had Moss in those tools, they opened things up.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you're want to give Belichick credit

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Speaker 5: I can I go and see Tom Brady.

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Speaker 2: Well, Tom Brady's involved too, and obviously he had to

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Speaker 3: Going to start getting changed the most that year.

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Speaker 5: Well he did.

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Speaker 2: He showed that he can do it anyway, but somebody

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Speaker 2: Whether that was Belichick or McDaniels, somebody had to make

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Speaker 5: I think it was Brady. He told them this is

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Speaker 3: I think he's the one who throws the passes. I

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Speaker 5: I understand. I think he was far more aggressive.

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Speaker 2: But don't you think don't you think that the offense

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Speaker 6: Absolutely certainly threw the ball more. Yeah, I mean their

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, if you want to call it

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Speaker 4: We'll go to twenty twenty two. I mean with Cam Newton.

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Speaker 5: Curious moves, I know, that's but not a good head coach.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: I was critical of the Patriots of that rookie year

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Speaker 4: So I had to kind of what it is we

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Speaker 3: Point, and and I do feel like they coddled him.

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Speaker 3: But you know, and I've been pretty stubborn about this,

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Speaker 5: And he would probably make Jones. That's the only way

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: I think there was so many of those points that

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it might be semantics, but like, that's not a

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Speaker 3: I don't but I think you're taking the term play

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Speaker 5: Yes, Yes, I'm not offensive architects. I'm talking about.

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Speaker 6: No, no, and that who's running the I understand.

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Speaker 6: It's not a good list anyways, but it wouldn't be

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Speaker 6: about play calling itself. I think McDaniel's the top ten

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Speaker 6: play caller in the NFL. Like actually in game play calling,

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Speaker 6: That's play calling.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know that.

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Speaker 6: That's the type of stuff that I think that he's

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Speaker 6: You know, so much of the play callers opening script

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Speaker 6: You're digesting information so that later on in the game

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Speaker 5: How prepared are you?

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Speaker 4: That's the one, you know, set of plays where you're

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Speaker 5: You're going in this is how we want to do it. Guys,

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Speaker 6: But everybody treats the opening script like some coaches treat

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Speaker 6: the rest of the game. And so the Patriots were

445
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Speaker 6: more about opening scripts being about digesting information that the

446
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Speaker 6: opponent was giving to them so that they could adjust

447
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Speaker 6: to what the opponent was doing.

448
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Speaker 4: And then annoying as an offensive coordinator though, where you're like,

449
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Speaker 4: I want to get these guys on the run.

450
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Speaker 5: I want to go out there, I want to score,

451
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Speaker 5: you know.

452
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Speaker 4: I mean, because there's many coordinators think toward defensive side

453
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Speaker 4: of game planning and you know, not trying to break

454
00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,359
Speaker 4: out all the tricks that you have up your sleeve

455
00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,240
Speaker 4: right out of the gate. But I'm fascinated by this

456
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Speaker 4: year with Josh the position he's been, where he's been,

457
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Speaker 4: the opportunity has to kind.

458
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Speaker 5: Of cement a legacy here.

459
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Speaker 4: He's got Drake May at his fingertips who has a

460
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Speaker 4: little bit of experience to build off of it. It's

461
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Speaker 4: a huge year, huge opportunity for him, I mean, his

462
00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,680
Speaker 4: legacy here the Patriots already probably pretty safe with the

463
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Speaker 4: success he had with Tom Brady, but to take it

464
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Speaker 4: to a whole other level now and really carve out

465
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Speaker 4: his own space as you know, playing people say, hey,

466
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Speaker 4: it was all Tom Brady, and you know what can

467
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Speaker 4: Josh do for this team now and get this offense

468
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Speaker 4: back on track that's just been i mean terrible the

469
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Speaker 4: last two years.

470
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Speaker 5: Who is more to prove him? Are Vybel probably him?

471
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Speaker 5: Good question? I mean, I don't know.

472
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Speaker 4: My first instinct is him that I think Mike vrabel

473
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Speaker 4: Is is going to coach a team that's gonna play hard, consistently,

474
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Speaker 4: and I think his success will just depend on the

475
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Speaker 4: talent level, whereas Josh might be asked and I'm just

476
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Speaker 4: spitball off the top of my head here, but Josh

477
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Speaker 4: might be asked to have to work around some of

478
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Speaker 4: those deficiencies a little bit more than you know Verebe

479
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 4: can get away with a team that plays hard and

480
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,720
Speaker 4: doesn't make mistakes, whereas if Josh's offense does not produce

481
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,760
Speaker 4: points in the NFL, it's gonna.

482
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Speaker 5: But I like the question for it because you can

483
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Speaker 5: make a strong argument for both.

484
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, I know some guys have been

485
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Speaker 3: able to do it, but not a lot of guys

486
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Speaker 3: get a third shot. So if it doesn't worry for Rabel,

487
00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,119
Speaker 3: he's got a lot to prove to make sure that

488
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Speaker 3: it works.

489
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Speaker 5: And obvious what Mike just said.

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Speaker 3: About McDaniels, like, there's already that element of people out

491
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Speaker 3: there that think that it's Tom Brady.

492
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Speaker 5: It's never really done it without Brady.

493
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Speaker 2: So one of your guys, Joe Murray, I heard him

494
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Speaker 2: say it might have been this morning, said if if

495
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Speaker 2: May has a great year, May will get the credit

496
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Speaker 2: for it, but if he has a bad year, McDaniels

497
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Speaker 2: will get the blame.

498
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Speaker 5: I'm not sure I believe that.

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Speaker 2: And I was thinking to myself, Well, if May's turning

500
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Speaker 2: the ball over, May's going to get blamed for that.

501
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Speaker 3: He will, you know, And I think if May makes

502
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Speaker 3: an enormous leap, I think McDaniel's going to.

503
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Speaker 5: Get a lot of credit. I would think he's going

504
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Speaker 5: to make some credit.

505
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Speaker 3: He's going to get credit. Ye question, people are going

506
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Speaker 3: to say May is really good. Yeah, But there's no

507
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Speaker 3: doubt in my mind that McDaniels is going to get

508
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Speaker 3: credit for tapping into that potential and doing what they

509
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Speaker 3: couldn't do last year and avoiding the mistakes and all that.

510
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Speaker 5: Right, McDaniels will get credit. I think so too. So

511
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Speaker 5: I disagree and he should.

512
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Speaker 6: I just saying it credit, like to what end? Like

513
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Speaker 6: he's not going to get another head coaching job? Oh no,

514
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Speaker 6: So like I mean, yeah, he'll get credit for I

515
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Speaker 6: think most people believe that McDaniel's are a really good

516
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Speaker 6: offensive mine. I don't. I don't really think that there's

517
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Speaker 6: a whole lot maybe on Paul shows, but like, I

518
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Speaker 6: don't think that there's a whole lot of people, uh

519
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Speaker 6: in the league, in the league as they say that,

520
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Speaker 6: like look down on Josh McDaniels as an offensive coordinator

521
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Speaker 6: as a head coach. You know, maybe, but I think

522
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Speaker 6: a lot of people respect else.

523
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Speaker 5: I wonder if.

524
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Speaker 3: We think more of McDaniels here, myself included, then, is

525
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Speaker 3: largely the opinion around the league.

526
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Speaker 2: I probably because A we know more about him, and

527
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Speaker 2: B it's the head coaching I think tarnish his other achiation.

528
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Speaker 3: Like to Evan's point when he was talking about like

529
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Speaker 3: a lot of nuance, you know, sequencing plays and the

530
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Speaker 3: script and what you're trying to do and how you

531
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Speaker 3: were adjusting. I have no idea how anybody else in

532
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Speaker 3: the league is at that, because if you don't.

533
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Speaker 6: Watch every every game, every drive of every every game, you.

534
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Speaker 2: Have no All I know is that after one play

535
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Speaker 2: Brady looked at Josh and went like that.

536
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Speaker 5: So if Brady liked.

537
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Speaker 6: Him then the night before.

538
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Speaker 5: So I would.

539
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Speaker 3: But I would agree with Evan's assessment that the Patriots

540
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Speaker 3: that I've watched over the last twenty five years have

541
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Speaker 3: been very good at that. They have for the most part,

542
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Speaker 3: they've been very good at sort of seeing what the

543
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Speaker 3: other team's doing both sides of the ball, adjusting and

544
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Speaker 3: not necessarily succeeding with one thing. They're figuring out different

545
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Speaker 3: ways to exploit matchups and whatnot. I think the Patriots

546
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Speaker 3: have been very good at that. I don't have any

547
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Speaker 3: idea if every other team is good at it, because

548
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Speaker 3: I think that closely.

549
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Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of coaches, especially the Shanahan try guys.

550
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Speaker 6: It's a system, and the system is like you know,

551
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Speaker 6: they just you run the system and you eventually it works,

552
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Speaker 6: you know, like you expect it to work.

553
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Speaker 3: But I don't know if like Cincinnati's offense, does it

554
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Speaker 3: so well because their personnel is just that good, yes,

555
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Speaker 3: or if they have something in the way that they're

556
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Speaker 3: designing offenses to get guys open.

557
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Speaker 6: I don't have much, no idea. I don't have much

558
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Speaker 6: positive things to say about that.

559
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Speaker 3: But that's that was just thought. That was just one

560
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Speaker 3: team that I just brought up. Yeah, you know, And

561
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Speaker 3: is it because of the personnel? Is it because I

562
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Speaker 3: don't know, I don't know the answer.

563
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Speaker 5: Is it you know?

564
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Speaker 3: Was McDaniels so successful at adjusting to what Seattle was

565
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 3: doing in Super Bowl forty whatever that one was forty nine?

566
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Speaker 3: I think I've been to so many I can't remember.

567
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Speaker 3: Was it because they were adjusting to what Seattle was doing?

568
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Speaker 3: Or is it because Tom Brady's just that much better

569
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Speaker 3: than everybody else? And he just says, I figured it out.

570
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 3: I have the answers to the test, as he famously said,

571
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Speaker 3: and this is what we're going to do. Yeah, I

572
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Speaker 3: don't know, Like I think there's a lot of nuance

573
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Speaker 3: there that's hard to know from the outside.

574
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Speaker 4: I'm going back to twenty twenty one and trying to

575
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Speaker 4: remember who got credit for a solid year between Josh

576
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 4: and and Mac, and I think they both kind of

577
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 4: got credit. I mean, Josh got another head coaching job

578
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Speaker 4: and Mac made the Pro Bowl alternate.

579
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Speaker 3: You know, but Mac was was absolutely given a lot

580
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Speaker 3: of credit for what a great rookie year.

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Speaker 5: Drafting year two?

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Speaker 3: Do you remember maybe the only time that I can

583
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Speaker 3: never remember on this show, Fred drew the ire of

584
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Speaker 3: people when you remember the five guys that got drafted in.

585
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Speaker 5: The first round, who would you take now?

586
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Speaker 6: And Fred was like Trevor Lawrence, oh yeah.

587
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Speaker 3: And people got Mady Oh yeah, remember Yeah, That's like

588
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Speaker 3: the only time I ever really remember getting getting getting

589
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Speaker 3: the smoke. As the kids said, oh never, no one's

590
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Speaker 3: ever given Fred a problem, and he said Trevor Lawrence, yeah,

591
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Speaker 3: because that's how highly people were thinking of Mac.

592
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Speaker 2: Jst like, And now Trevor Lawrence hasn't done great either,

593
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Speaker 2: But I still say in a better team, with better coaching,

594
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Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence.

595
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Speaker 5: Would have had a better career. I see I see

596
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Speaker 5: the upside with him, and.

597
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Speaker 4: You think he's one of those guys though that's going

598
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 4: to catch on, maybe with another team.

599
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Speaker 5: And I think.

600
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Speaker 2: I think he could be one of those Kirk Cousins

601
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Speaker 2: type of guys.

602
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Speaker 4: You know, he's got all the talent, just needs to

603
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Speaker 4: get out of I remember we talked about it at

604
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Speaker 4: the time when he got drafted where whatever, going back

605
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Speaker 4: to his high school stats, like the kid had lost

606
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Speaker 4: like one game ever, I think, and right then he arrives.

607
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Speaker 5: In Jacksonville and it's it's been a whole lot of

608
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Speaker 5: losing for him. But yeah, so talented. Oh I still

609
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Speaker 5: like him.

610
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Speaker 2: I still like him, But I like Drake may too,

611
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Speaker 2: and I'm happy we.

612
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Speaker 6: Have Liam Cone is thirteenth on this I think it was.

613
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Speaker 3: That was the one that really stood out. That was

614
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Speaker 3: got Beatle and I because he's a you mask guy.

615
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 3: Beadle's a U Mass guy, and he's like, no, we'll

616
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Speaker 3: go that's absurd. That's absurd that he is. He is

617
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Speaker 3: that high in the list. That was the one that

618
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Speaker 3: really stuck on because.

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Speaker 6: Liam Cone is high, Dave Canalis was high. I thought

620
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Speaker 6: Canals they had who was the other one that that

621
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Speaker 6: stood out to me, like Chip Kelly hasn't coached in

622
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Speaker 6: the NFL and quite a bit of time, but he's down.

623
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Speaker 5: And yeah he's down to McDaniels.

624
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Speaker 3: He was ahead of McDaniels, Dabel, it was it was

625
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Speaker 3: Chip Kelly, Dable, someone else, and I think McDaniels that

626
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Speaker 3: was like the group, and I thought those guys should

627
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Speaker 3: have been ahead of, like Dave Canalis, and they don't.

628
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Speaker 3: William Cohen but like Chip Kelly hasn't how tight and

629
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Speaker 3: Andy Reid's pants he's really tight.

630
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Speaker 5: He was like three. Well, Josh lost somes weight. He

631
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Speaker 5: can't really wear type pants. He's pants, they're too loose.

632
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Speaker 5: He used to be tight.

633
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Speaker 2: Adam and Louisiana writes in who do you think has

634
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 2: the better Patriots legacy as of today? Josh McDaniels or

635
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 2: Dante Scarnecia. I personally think Dante has it right now

636
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Speaker 2: because so much of McDaniel's success is tied to Brady.

637
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Speaker 2: But I think he could surpass Dante if he's successful

638
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Speaker 2: with May.

639
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Speaker 6: It's gonna be Hardtecarnek's hard.

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Speaker 5: He's kind of a legend, has lapped them. Yeah, he's

641
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Speaker 5: kind of a legend.

642
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's definitely a legend for sure. Yeah, I mean

643
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 4: it's all Matthew Slater. Though Matthews Slater made.

644
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 3: What well it just from the second, like Daniels, you

645
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 3: imaginary co host that's sitting next.

646
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 5: To it's like dementia. Maybe it's early on set to

647
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 5: mention you know what it is. It's like I've been

648
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 5: doing like four days of vacation that I come in

649
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 5: for a couple of days. That's so I'm kind of like,

650
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Speaker 5: I feel like I'm half vacation deuce right now.

651
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Speaker 1: You know.

652
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Speaker 6: That's fine. Kellen Moore, like Jesus Keen.

653
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Speaker 4: Sorry, sorry, I will say though I noticed Dave Canalys

654
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Speaker 4: is getting a lot of love lately for some of

655
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Speaker 4: the changes I guess he implemented for Carolina last year

656
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 4: and kind of tailoring the offense more around Bryce.

657
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Speaker 3: The only thing I would say specifically with Canalis that

658
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Speaker 3: I'm impressed with is he did what we kept talking

659
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Speaker 3: about wanting to see from the Patriots last year and

660
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Speaker 3: in the second half of the season. You know, the

661
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 3: last quarter of the season, the Panthers became a difficult

662
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Speaker 3: team to play against, and they didn't win a lot

663
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Speaker 3: of games, but they were very competitive. They won a

664
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Speaker 3: couple they looked like they were getting better. That's what

665
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 3: we wanted to see. I'll give Canalis credit for that.

666
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 3: Navigating a difficult situation, having a bench your former number

667
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 3: one overall pick quarterback and then having him respond to

668
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 3: that tells me that he did it the right quote

669
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 3: unquote the right way.

670
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 5: Those things can go on.

671
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 6: I just have a tough time with guys like Canalis

672
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,719
Speaker 6: and Cone specifically because they're not running their own system

673
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 6: like they're running Bruce Arians's offense, which was in Tampa

674
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 6: Bay McDaniel and there's there's a reason why Baker Mayfield

675
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 6: has transitioned offensive coordinators like three times now in the

676
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 6: last like five years, four years, and it's been seamless

677
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 6: because they're all running the same playbook. So it's like,

678
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 6: you know, and look, I know every coordinator has his

679
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 6: own twist on things and things like that, but like

680
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,479
Speaker 6: we're not really talking about you know, guys that are

681
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 6: truly like Andy Reid or Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVay.

682
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 6: Those guys have really run their own offense like they

683
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 6: they are really you know, they're all offshoots of the

684
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 6: West Coast, but like they run their own offense. You know,

685
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 6: these guys are picking up where other people have left off.

686
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 6: So it's like, I can't. I have a tough time

687
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 6: with that. You know, Josh like did the same thing,

688
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 6: but John's been doing it for a really long time.

689
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 6: So like, is it really the Charlie Weiss offense at

690
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 6: this point? Like probably not.

691
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 5: Call things the same. Yeah, yeah, we go back to

692
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 5: Dante real quick.

693
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: Though.

694
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 4: My joke aside, like that to me is what we

695
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 4: give a lot. I think we devalue coaches a lot.

696
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 5: Like we're always talking it's all the players, and.

697
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 4: I know football, but you know, I think coaches generally

698
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 4: get devalued. He's one though that even going back to

699
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 4: when he was first here in the eighty five team,

700
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 4: which you know, I'm doing a thing on right now,

701
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 4: but like his unit was outstanding.

702
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 5: His unit, they make game changing plays.

703
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 4: And granted he's only coaching a position group, so it's

704
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 4: a little bit hard, a little bit easier, I would say,

705
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 4: but you guys saw it. No no matter who he had,

706
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 4: he could put performances out of players, you know, and

707
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 4: again like it's not you're not a whole team, you're

708
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 4: not building the team, but he.

709
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 5: Could get everybody up to a functional level. He could

710
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 5: get anybody to a functional level. He could develop guys,

711
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 5: and he did it consistently.

712
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 4: And I think that's what we all look for in

713
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 4: our coaches that you know, have been around.

714
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 5: It's just get the most out of your guys. And

715
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 5: that's something that whether.

716
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 4: He was coaching special teams, which we were coaching tight ends,

717
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 4: Dante Scarneckia has done it in this league.

718
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 5: He was a guy.

719
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: We've heard it enough from enough players that you wanted

720
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: to do well for him, like you didn't want to

721
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: let him down, like and so whatever he did to

722
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: get people to feel.

723
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 5: That way, it worked. Yeah, you know hard, I just

724
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 5: didn't want to let him down demanding hard. I mean,

725
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 5: the all the stories from those linemen, but they knew

726
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 5: he cared about them. Yeah, yeah, you know. Now he's

727
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 5: a he's a special guy. I mean, I got to

728
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 5: interview him for that.

729
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 4: If I think it's the first time I talked to

730
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 4: him a little bit while he was here, when he

731
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,959
Speaker 4: was you know, coaching and various coaching, you know, when

732
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 4: we have the opportunity for availability. But it was the

733
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 4: first time I had just a real conversation with him

734
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 4: and I shared with him that in ninety one, when

735
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 4: I was at Hollison High School, I was on the sideline,

736
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 4: you know, our community cable access channel. I got to

737
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 4: be the cameraman with like a three quarter deck and

738
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 4: the game I was there against.

739
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 5: New Orleans in ninety one was the game that Dick Macpherson.

740
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 4: I think, was sick and he took a scar had

741
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 4: to fill in. And I said, you know, Scars, just

742
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 4: to let you know I was on the sidelines.

743
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 5: When you need you know, all that's very special, but

744
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 5: just such a great guy. I mean you could just

745
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 5: tell why.

746
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 2: It was funny you were on the sideline and I

747
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: was watching that game in the stand.

748
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 5: No, really, that was there. I mean that was like,

749
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 5: that's how stupid it was.

750
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 4: When I started being in the video communications class at

751
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 4: my high school, I would do the sideline cam for

752
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 4: the football games and they were like, I remember the director,

753
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 4: the guy the teacher.

754
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 6: Was like, oh my god, look at how steady this

755
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 6: kid is.

756
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 4: Like, you know, like watching that, I love being shooting football.

757
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 4: And then there was a guy, Timmy King in town

758
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 4: who had his own cable access show and he was

759
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 4: like the Patriots of have credentialed me, I need a

760
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 4: cameraman who's good with a handheld and so, and this

761
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 4: is back in the day a three quarter inch deck,

762
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 4: So you had a three quarter inch deck. The thing,

763
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 4: of course, it was like the video cameras now are

764
00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 4: like you could shoot the whole thing.

765
00:31:59,240 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 5: On your phone.

766
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 4: This was you had a deck with the giant ass

767
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 4: video three quarter deck with the camera and we were

768
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 4: walking around all the parking lots.

769
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 6: That was a year.

770
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 5: I think they won two games the whole year. Patriot

771
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 5: fans still just loving it, but went into the press box,

772
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 5: went into the locker room afterwards, interviewed Fred Smurlis, Vincent Brown.

773
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 4: It was my first taste of ever being around this stuff.

774
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's cool, cool, take cool memory.

775
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

776
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 3: That was really the only time that I was ever

777
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: out on the Patriots, like ninety when they went one

778
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 3: in fifteen with Rod Rust and they were just such

779
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 3: a train wreck and they would even worse off the field,

780
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 3: and then McPherson came in and I was like, that's

781
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 3: not going to like, that's not the guy, Like, it's

782
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 3: not gonna work. And they were a little bit better

783
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 3: that ninety one season. I think they won like five

784
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 3: games or six games or something like that, and then

785
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 3: they bottomed out again at two and fourteen, and then

786
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 3: like that three year period was the only time I

787
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 3: was ever really out on the Patriots. Then they hired

788
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 3: Parcels and I was.

789
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 5: Back right, I'm back, baby, out right in line.

790
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 6: I think there's a real case in my mind for

791
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 6: Dante being in the Pro Football Hall of Fame as

792
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 6: like a contributor to the game.

793
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 5: I would agree.

794
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 6: I think he's the best positional coach of all time.

795
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 6: So like, I think there's a real case for that.

796
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 6: I mean, he's.

797
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: Best positional coach of all time.

798
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 6: Of all time. I think he's the best of it

799
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 6: of all time. Is definitely I would make an argument

800
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 6: for Dante. Yeah, definitely, you know, the best offensive line

801
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 6: coach of all time. And I think that's the hardest

802
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 6: position to coach because you have the most guys to coach,

803
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 6: and it's you know, five man unit that you're coaching,

804
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 6: and so you have to have everybody, uh, you know,

805
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 6: working together. It's not like your coaching receivers is like

806
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 6: in an individual position, right, you know, the offensive line

807
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 6: it's the weakest link in that whole thing. Like you

808
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 6: have to be together as a group. And I think

809
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 6: he's the best it's ever done it, you know, from

810
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 6: player development to also in game you know, getting everybody,

811
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 6: all five guys to execute and on the same page.

812
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 6: So he's, uh, he's the best ever in my opinion.

813
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 4: And Rod Rust And that was a story that I

814
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 4: just rediscovered was Rod Rust was fired midway through the

815
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 4: eighty four season, and then they went back and rehired

816
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 4: him as the defensive coordinator, and all the players of

817
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 4: that eighty five team love Rod Rust. I mean that

818
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 4: defense was excellent. He was an excellent defensive coordinator. But

819
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 4: all I think of him defensive genius. Yeah, they were

820
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 4: all so excited to get him back. I just think

821
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 4: of him, as you said, Paul, as that coach of

822
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 4: a really failed team, and who was that guy who

823
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 4: was terrible? And then you go back and you realize, like,

824
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 4: this guy's like the Rex Ryan of his day.

825
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 5: That's the thing.

826
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: You know, we kind of make fun of the NFL

827
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: a lot because it seems like they just rotate coaches through.

828
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: Once you have a job, you always have a job.

829
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 2: But we don't know and this gets to the you know,

830
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 2: we only know the Patriots some of these guys that

831
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: are cycling through are really good coaches. And that's why,

832
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 2: you know, it was a new coach comes in and

833
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: I want Rod Russ because as a positional coach, they

834
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 2: are really good, you know, and as fans, we just

835
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: don't know that, right.

836
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 4: I mean, the truth of is he coordinated one of

837
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 4: the best Patriots defenses of all time. So you know,

838
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 4: it's that's something that's lost in perspective. And you just

839
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 4: remember those terrible years in the early nineties when they

840
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 4: could barely win a game.

841
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 5: But hey, we're here, now we're back.

842
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, got through the last and you know, these gms,

843
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: they know the truth. It's like, yeah, that team had

844
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: no talent, that's why they didn't do well.

845
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 5: It wasn't Rod Rust you know what I mean.

846
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: The GMS know the truth, or they should know that.

847
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 6: They bring back good ones to Josh. It's just like

848
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 6: certain guys are just better in those roles than as

849
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 6: the head coach. McDaniels is just a better offensive coordinator

850
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 6: than the head coach. And I remember when I wrote

851
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 6: about what Dante about, you know, going to the Patriots

852
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 6: Hall of Fame, I was like, why you never wanted

853
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 6: to like go higher up the ranks, like you know,

854
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 6: offensive coordinator or head coach or or anything like that.

855
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 6: And he was like, I was really really good at

856
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 6: what I did well.

857
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: Dick Lebow is the most famous one. I think he

858
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 2: could have been a head coach if he really wanted to.

859
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 5: But he knew he was. He knew well he was,

860
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 5: but he didn't. He didn't. It didn't work. Yeah, but

861
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 5: he was. He was a head coach, yeah, but he

862
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 5: was a coordinator. That was what he was.

863
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 3: There's a lot of guys like that that just they

864
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 3: were better suited. Maybe they didn't have the Ernie Zampizzi

865
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 3: that the gravitas to sort of command the entirety of

866
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 3: the team and didn't necessarily have that kind of a touch.

867
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 6: And I think Josh is one of those guys.

868
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 5: I don't.

869
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 3: I just don't think it worked because he lost both teams.

870
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, he lost.

871
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: He lost the Broncos and he lost the Raiders. So

872
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 3: it just that's not a coincidence, right. Some guys are

873
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 3: just better suited.

874
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: And I think Dante, like he took over in a pinch,

875
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: but I don't think he ever had head coach aspirational

876
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 2: that's what Devin.

877
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 6: Just said no, no, at least that's what he told me.

878
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 6: And he just said that you know, when you're you

879
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 6: want he just wanted to master the craft of where

880
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 6: he was at and he didn't want to he didn't

881
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 6: even want to be a coordinator. Yeah, it's kind of

882
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 6: like an he almost like he didn't want to get

883
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 6: too big for his bridges type of thing too, Like

884
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 6: he just he wanted to stay in his lane like

885
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 6: and I think that that's why, you know, talking to him,

886
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 6: like he just loved coaching under Bill, because like Belichick

887
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 6: just well it was perfect for Dante, Like he just

888
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 6: allowed Dante to be Dante and his in Dante's Inferno,

889
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 6: and he didn't have like it wasn't he wasn't bothered,

890
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 6: and it wasn't like you know, he wasn't asked to

891
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 6: do things that were outside of his comfort zone. And

892
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 6: he just thrived with that kind of kind of coach

893
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 6: to be able to do that.

894
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 4: So I mean that's you know, to he survived the

895
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 4: regime change in the early nineties.

896
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 5: I mean Bill Parcels was like, I have a job

897
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 5: for you. This is what it is.

898
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 4: Take it or leave it, and Dante stuck around but

899
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 4: I mean he's just, like I said, the ability to

900
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 4: bring players up along and even players you know, like

901
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 4: like Matt Lighte for you know who maybe wasn't like

902
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 4: the greatest left but played at a championship level and

903
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 4: you know, contributed to those teams.

904
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 6: Yep, been a good good run for Dante, all right.

905
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 2: Eight five Pat's five hundred is the Hotline podcast at

906
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: Patriots dot com. Is the email address. If you want

907
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: to sign up for the newsletter, you can do so

908
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Speaker 2: at Patriots dot com slash pu Newsletter. We do have

909
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 2: a fourth of July edition coming out this week, some

910
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: good stuff in it. If you missed, uh, Paul's savant

911
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: exhibition yesterday, you'd be able to catch the replay of

912
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 2: that in the newsletter.

913
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Paul show off. It wasn't really anything. It

914
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 5: was something Paul, come on.

915
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Speaker 6: Really.

916
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 5: There was a number.

917
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: No, there was a caller that that he wanted to

918
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 2: test Paul's numbers dollarge and he went was twenty guys

919
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: ranging from the seventies to and Paul got the only one.

920
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 5: I think we missed.

921
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Speaker 6: There was an offensive lineman.

922
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Speaker 2: Yeah, wallabah, I think it was sixty.

923
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 5: I thought it was it was sixty four, but I

924
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Speaker 5: don't remember anyway.

925
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 6: I would be like, can you can you even do

926
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 6: it now? Like I feel like you're even Miles Battle?

927
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 5: No, can I do it now?

928
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 6: Yeah? That's the ironic part about it.

929
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 3: I think if you if you grilled me on like

930
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 3: guys that played from twenty ten on, I bet you

931
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 3: I would get a couple wrong.

932
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Miles Battle, it's the other ones that are thirty.

933
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Speaker 2: Five brain Yeah yeah, all right, but again, you can

934
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: catch that in the newsletter you sign up by going

935
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: to Patriots dot com slash pu newsletter. It's a fun

936
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: thing to get and it's just for us people in

937
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 2: the community. It's just yeah, so it's just inside jokes,

938
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 2: you know that type of stuff. All right, let's let's

939
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 2: hit up the phones. People joining us on the eve

940
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 2: of the fourth of July. Wherever you wame. Uh, Nate's

941
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Speaker 2: in Connecticut. What's up, Nate?

942
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Speaker 9: Hey you guys?

943
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 5: You we will yep.

944
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 9: Okay. So I just had a couple of thoughts.

945
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 10: On Marcella's styles. I personally think he is not going

946
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 10: to make the team this year. You know, he didn't

947
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 10: really play that much in the corner bedroom, but he

948
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 10: was on special teams a lot. But I think with

949
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 10: a lot of the people we've drafted and the udfas,

950
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 10: I think other people are going to be taking that spot,

951
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 10: and I think Marcellus Dial is gonna find his way out.

952
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 10: He really hasn't done a lot. I mean, we saw

953
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 10: we saw him play and like you know, preseason, and

954
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 10: I think he looked all right, but he just didn't

955
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 10: have the strongest of his year and I don't think

956
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 10: he's gonna make it this year.

957
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 2: Now, why are you particularly concerned with Marcella's style?

958
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 11: I don't know.

959
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 10: I feel like we've had other people step up, like

960
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 10: I know, like Isaiah Boldens.

961
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 2: No, no, no, But but my question like, nay, why

962
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: why is he on your mind? Why why Marcella's Dial

963
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 2: and some other guy and not some other guy?

964
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 10: Well, we have we haven't really talked a lot about

965
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 10: Marcellus dis.

966
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a reason.

967
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 6: Him and Isaiah Ball didn't feel like two guys that

968
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 6: are both trying to stick on Thanks Day, I could

969
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 6: see only one of them making it. And right now

970
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 6: I probably lean a little bit towards Bolden just because

971
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 6: he's got a little bit more versatility on defense and

972
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 6: special team.

973
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Speaker 3: I've seen him play more defensive snaps in my mind

974
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Speaker 3: than I have Dial, But I don't know.

975
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 6: They're using Dial a little bit in the slot, which

976
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 6: I could see, you know, as a bigger slot, but

977
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 6: Bolden can kind of do the same thing, and then

978
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 6: Bolden can return kicks and cover kicks and special teams

979
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 6: with Dial is not going to do that. So the

980
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 6: coaches are pretty high on Dial. And it's the same

981
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 6: coaching staff on special teams with Springer coming back and

982
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 6: Tom Quinn. But they are pretty high of what my

983
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 6: Marcella's Dial did on special teams. But he's not a returner,

984
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 6: he's just covering kicks.

985
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 5: And I don't think that they really.

986
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 3: I can totally see a scenario where Bolden and Dial

987
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 3: are in or out or one or the other. Like

988
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 3: I totally see that. But like there's really been not

989
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 3: much changed of that depth. That they replaced Jonathan Jones

990
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 3: with Carlton Davis, right, So that's the starter, first starter,

991
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 3: you know, next to Gonzo. Marcus Jones is still there,

992
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 3: Alex Austin is still there.

993
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 5: After those four, those four.

994
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: You can you can definitely sell me on any of

995
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 3: those other guys.

996
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 5: But like they didn't.

997
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 3: I mean Kobe Myer, I guess, Miles Battle, DJ James.

998
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 6: Brandon Crossley showing off his big brain. Now, I mean

999
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 6: it's like those guys the UDFA is like that, that's

1000
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 6: the list.

1001
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 5: I mean, then those guys are third day three flyers.

1002
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: And I didn't see any of those guys in the spring, like,

1003
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 3: oh wow, look at him.

1004
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 5: You know DJ James, Did I get that right?

1005
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 3: J James is out there with with Gonzo. I didn't

1006
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 3: see any of the like I saw that with with

1007
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 3: you know, once upon a time with Malcolm Butler. All

1008
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: of a sudden, some random U d f A is

1009
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 3: out there with the regular players, and you're like, oh,

1010
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 3: we got to keep an eye on this, right, I mean,

1011
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 3: it's it. I didn't see that really in the supre.

1012
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: My days of getting excited over you the fas and

1013
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 2: seventh round picks are over.

1014
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 5: I used to get excited about them. But now it's

1015
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 5: like now if they have come a long way. Now,

1016
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 5: if they if they happen, they have happened right right,

1017
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 5: And that's what you would hope after Alex Austin that,

1018
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 5: you know, and Alex Austin was kind of one of

1019
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 5: those guys a couple of years ago. I mean, I

1020
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 5: think it traded for him at some point, But you.

1021
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 4: Just hope maybe one of those guys emerges and is

1022
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 4: able to I mean, Isaiah Bolden's got some good size dials, fast,

1023
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 4: Kobie miners fast, They're all fast. But I don't know

1024
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 4: those are bottom of the depth chart kind of battles

1025
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 4: that guys are gonna win on Teams Special, you know,

1026
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 4: And if one of those guys happens to emerge and

1027
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 4: suddenly is getting reps with Gonzo, that.

1028
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 6: Feels pretty secure. The other spots are going to be

1029
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 6: determined by who can cover kicks, like and I don't

1030
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 6: really feel like they need to keep six of these guys, Like,

1031
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 6: I don't think that room is particularly deep in that regard.

1032
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 6: I just think it's so top heavy that you know

1033
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 6: that Gonzales and Davis are to be playing a ridiculous

1034
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 6: amount of snaps for you next year, so behind you

1035
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 6: is really special teams.

1036
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 5: It's just it might be a problem, you know, like

1037
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 5: like a Gonzo gets hurt or Carlton Davis gets hurts,

1038
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 5: like one you might have to rely on one of

1039
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 5: these guys that right now.

1040
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 6: I have some faith in alex Osino.

1041
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 4: There's four and you need three at least full time,

1042
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 4: so you have a little bit of protection there, but

1043
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 4: it goes downhill pretty quick.

1044
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 5: Matt's in New Hampshire.

1045
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 12: Hey Matt, Hey, you guys hear me? Okay, yes, perfect,

1046
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 12: I've st a question. We've talked about this at nauseum before.

1047
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 12: Before I get to it, I just want to congratulate

1048
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 12: you Evan on getting married.

1049
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 13: Thank you of course.

1050
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1051
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 14: Just uh, just with the guard the left guard position.

1052
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 14: Like I said, it's been talked about so much, like

1053
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 14: if you guys have this pick right now, who's your

1054
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 14: day one starter there? I know the options aren't great

1055
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 14: if I had to pick, and it's probably the Cold

1056
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 14: Strange at this point. Or is there a betteran out

1057
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 14: there at free agent that you guys think.

1058
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 5: I don't know about a free agent. That's tough to say.

1059
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 5: I probably with you on Cold Strange. That feels strong.

1060
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 6: I would probably lean Strange as well.

1061
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 3: But I want to see when they start training camp

1062
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 3: what Jared Wilson's doing.

1063
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm holding out hope that either Jared

1064
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 6: Wilson or Kaden Wallace, one of those two guys, whether

1065
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 6: it's Wilson at center or guard, it takes over and

1066
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 6: kind of improves that interior. Just with younger players that

1067
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 6: you're a little bit more. I don't know if it's

1068
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 6: just the unknown of what they really are versus Cole

1069
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 6: Strange what I kind of just feel like we know

1070
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 6: that Cole Strange is just is who he is. Whereas

1071
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 6: those other guys, I think there's maybe still some development

1072
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 6: to do and still some upside that exists with them,

1073
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 6: especially Jared Wilson. Brandon Shurff's a free agent, which is interesting,

1074
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 6: but career right guard, not not a left guard. But

1075
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 6: if he was kicking around and we're two weeks into

1076
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 6: training camp and they look at it and they're like

1077
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 6: each like, this is gonna this isn't going well. You

1078
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 6: know this, this left guard by committee is not working out.

1079
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 6: I would could see Brendon Sheriff coming in and still

1080
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 6: being the respectable starter, but you'd have to be a

1081
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 6: want to play and be want to play at left guard.

1082
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 3: Still available now and he must be done like dinner.

1083
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 3: I would say, good, that's a good player to be available.

1084
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, but it could also have to do you know,

1085
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 6: a lot of those types of veterans don't really want

1086
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 6: to do training camp, so like they tend to sign

1087
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 6: like two weeks into camp and like kind of skip

1088
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 6: the dog days of training camp in the beginning and

1089
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 6: then get into it once the preseason game start. You

1090
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 6: see that, Like if you if you see Brendon Sheriff

1091
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 6: sign like right around where Zeke Elliott signed with the

1092
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 6: Patriots a couple of years ago, like that would be

1093
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 6: sort of the sweet spot for somebody like that.

1094
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 5: Thanks, Matt, appreciate the call.

1095
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,959
Speaker 3: In my mind, I just got validated done.

1096
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 5: Like dinnerd.

1097
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: Deshaun's in North Dakota. We don't get a lot of

1098
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 2: callers from North Dakota.

1099
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Speaker 1: North.

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Speaker 5: What's up to.

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Speaker 13: Sean No, No, no, Virginia, I think.

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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, uh, what's.

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Speaker 13: Up guys, Jeremy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, happy for the.

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00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 13: Yes uh based I want to touch based on what

1106
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 13: you guys gonna saying before about the Tom Brady things,

1107
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 13: and I think it was interesting because it's some of

1108
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 13: the things they've been saying for the longest time. The

1109
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 13: reason why I always thought that Brady fits uh bra

1110
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 13: bradyserveralized their credits because we would have to take into

1111
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 13: account is that you can't expect this team to have that,

1112
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 13: you know that what or machine like it did back

1113
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 13: in the day because the centerpiece is Tom Brady. Darn

1114
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 13: Brady's made the best of the situation, situation, no matter

1115
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 13: who was around him, you know.

1116
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 14: Uh.

1117
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 13: And then most people seen once he ever got a

1118
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 13: four like Brandy Moss, he took off. And I've been

1119
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 13: saying that that, please give him a real weapon, get

1120
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 13: him a real weapon. There's something that other quarterbacks disposed,

1121
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 13: he has faced over the years that building the benefit

1122
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 13: from and now you're complisces nowhere near as much together

1123
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 13: accomplished despite him dealing with the left. So when you

1124
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 13: talking about organizations and you know in situations like the

1125
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 13: forty nine ers and Sin Study Bengals or whatever, uh, yes,

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00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 13: a lot of it have to do a lot of

1127
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 13: their personnel or whatever. But the reason why as far

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00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 13: with the port now can't maximize it because they don't

1129
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 13: have number twelve turns water. He throws water into wine. Yeah,

1130
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 13: that reason why we felt like we should not take

1131
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 13: this for granted because it's something we're never going to

1132
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 13: see again. Deb I always thinking that, So it should

1133
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 13: be very important for them to get weapons for Drake

1134
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 13: Maine yes, because he's not gonna be to do what

1135
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 13: Tom is done. Yep, that's all I wanted to say.

1136
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 5: I agreed to Sean.

1137
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 2: I mean, you gotta get them weapons, you need, you

1138
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: need to build around them. And I think I think

1139
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: next year, unfortunately, you know, I think this year all

1140
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 2: the big names are out, but I think next year

1141
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: that will be the focus, regardless of what happens this year,

1142
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 2: that we've got to get some off the weapons on

1143
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 2: this team. But I think, you know, I think I

1144
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 2: like the addition of Henderson as running back. I know

1145
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 2: he's a running back, but I think he I'm hoping

1146
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 2: he will be a weapon.

1147
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 5: For this team. Me too. There's a lot who's a weapon.

1148
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 5: Henderson he should be. I hope he will be.

1149
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 6: Were you doing the weapon debate again?

1150
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 3: No, No, I think if if if he turns out,

1151
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 3: that's a weapon. If he if he pans out, I

1152
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 3: would say that he qualifies as a weapon.

1153
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 5: He's a big play candidate. Yeah.

1154
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 6: I don't necessarily disagree with to caller, but like, it's

1155
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 6: just kind of disrespectful to just be like everybody that

1156
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 6: played with Brady was just because of Brady, like or

1157
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 6: everybody that coached on with Brady. Was here was just

1158
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 6: because of Brady? Like, well, no, but I think I mean,

1159
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 6: Rob Gronkowski is a pretty good player.

1160
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 5: The other way they had to get they had to

1161
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 5: go out and get the.

1162
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 3: Weapons to get Brady to go to he had already

1163
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 3: won three titles. I think it's disrespectful to Brady.

1164
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: Well, it's not him to another level, it's the offense

1165
00:49:58,600 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: to another level.

1166
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 6: I think he like Brady's Brady, we all have all

1167
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 6: the respect in the world for him, But like he

1168
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 6: played with some really good players too, And let's not

1169
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 6: just like sit here and be like, okay, all the okay,

1170
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 6: every all those players stunk, Like stunk.

1171
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 5: Is strong, but like you play with a lot of

1172
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 5: average guys. Did he make Welker better?

1173
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, but I think we better than.

1174
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 5: He would have been on any other team. Yep.

1175
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 6: I don't know about any other team, but.

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Speaker 3: I mean I think you could make an argument for

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Speaker 3: you know, like Gronk would have been great no matter what,

1178
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 3: Like that's a special player.

1179
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, obviously Moss, but.

1180
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of guys that were good players that

1181
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Speaker 3: he made look better than good.

1182
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Speaker 6: I think so maybe at the receiver position, but like

1183
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 6: some of those like they had great offensive line.

1184
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Speaker 5: That's where his influences.

1185
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Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, I want you want to go back

1186
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 3: to Dante, and the most most impressive thing to me

1187
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 3: about Dante is a litany of Greg Robinson, Randall, Brandon Goren,

1188
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 3: Tom Ashworth, Nick Kasher like didn't matter. Yeah, Now, part

1189
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 3: of why it didn't matter was Brady. Yeah, I do

1190
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Speaker 3: give Brady a lot. Evan's probably right, maybe I give

1191
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 3: too much, But I think if Brady and Dante were,

1192
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 3: you know, in their prime for last year's team, you

1193
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 3: wouldn't be talking about that offensive line the way you did.

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00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 5: That's how good they were. That's right. I don't know.

1195
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 6: I'm not trying to like say, like do like a

1196
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 6: a pie here of like who gets all the credit?

1197
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 5: Brady not that good.

1198
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 6: I'm just kind of giving everybody credit. So yeah, right,

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Speaker 6: I'm just kind of giving everybody credit. Like I think,

1200
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 6: like both things can be true, right, Like there were

1201
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 6: like like a lot of these guys were great. We're

1202
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 6: really good players too. Like when you know, when I

1203
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 6: started covering the team, especially you know, their offensive line,

1204
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 6: like Tony Andrews and Mason in the interior, their offensive

1205
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 6: line was one of the best interior three in football,

1206
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 6: like regardless of Dante or not Dante like that, and

1207
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Speaker 6: Tony is Is might be a Hall of Famer in

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00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 6: his own right, you know, Logan mankins Is.

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Speaker 2: The question is how many of those guys and there

1210
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 2: are some how many of those guys could make a

1211
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 2: quarterback better, because we're talking about a quarterback making those

1212
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: guys better. How many of those guys make their quarterback well?

1213
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Speaker 5: Sure?

1214
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Speaker 6: But like yeah, I mean, like the quarterbacks the most

1215
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 6: important position on the field, so like he's the most

1216
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 6: valuable guy, like they that's true for pretty much any position.

1217
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Speaker 6: But like I just I don't know, Like I look

1218
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Speaker 6: at it and say, you know, there were some really

1219
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 6: good players on those Like twenty ten's Patriots offense.

1220
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Speaker 2: I think I don't think you do what they did

1221
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 2: without some good players on your team.

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Speaker 6: I just feel like you made them better.

1223
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 3: Now, Tony, Tony and Mason are two guys that were

1224
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 3: really really good players. I think there's a lot more

1225
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 3: Joe and Drewsys and Sally say Is than those guys.

1226
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 3: I mean that they're starting inter Dan Conley, Russ Hokestein,

1227
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Speaker 3: like Rich Ornberger.

1228
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 6: Those are average two thousands, guys like from the like

1229
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 6: Tuny and was like two ten, two thousand, But Mason

1230
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 6: and drafted Mason and were really good fifteen and they

1231
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 6: were they were the starters at their positions for the

1232
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 6: rest of them run.

1233
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 3: So maybe when he got a little older, he needed

1234
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,959
Speaker 3: a little bit more talent in front of him because

1235
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 3: he couldn't do it all well. But that's not what

1236
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 3: I'm saying. I just but that's twenty years of dominance.

1237
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 3: And then they got two really good guards. Clearly, I

1238
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 3: mean like there was a lot of floats of in jetsam,

1239
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 3: flats and flats.

1240
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 6: We can just have the worst offensive line in football

1241
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 6: and watch the quarterback running for his with Brady, he

1242
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 6: could fine.

1243
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 2: Remember we got into the big argument about what flotsam

1244
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 2: and jetsam is.

1245
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 4: Yes, Eric, Eric used to admit that he was wrong

1246
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 4: tossing stuff out of a plane, that's jetsam.

1247
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 6: I'm sure Brady would have loved to play behind that

1248
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 6: offensive line last year. That would have he really would

1249
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 6: have been.

1250
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 5: I'm just telling you it wouldn't have been a train wreck.

1251
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 6: I think it was if Brady was in his prime, not.

1252
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 3: Forty five year old Brady in Tampa where he was

1253
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 3: taking dives everywhere. He wouldn't have been happy like thirty

1254
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 3: five year old Brady would have been, would have been

1255
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 3: like mahomes As, it would have been get by.

1256
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 5: Well, we have to say that I get Evan's general

1257
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 5: point that it's all Brady.

1258
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 15: It was all Brady, and that he made everybody better

1259
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 15: and he turned water into wine and all like all

1260
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 15: these freaking things, But like, can we just not like

1261
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,959
Speaker 15: sit here and and and completely just.

1262
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 6: Throw away everybody and just being product told you Rob Drunkowski,

1263
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 6: Randy Moss.

1264
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 5: I think Paul's being starcastic.

1265
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 6: Like Brandon Cook's played with seventeen quarterbacks and he's good

1266
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 6: with all of them.

1267
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 3: Cooks was a higher caliber receiver than most of the

1268
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 3: guys he played with.

1269
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:42,919
Speaker 5: I think he can do both things.

1270
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 2: You can celebrate the greatness and brilliance of Tom Brady

1271
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 2: and say, yeah, there were some good players on these teams.

1272
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 5: Both can be true good players.

1273
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 6: There were times he made look better than that, yeah maybe,

1274
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 6: and there was absolute like I always go back to

1275
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 6: the game winning drive against New Orleans in twenty thirteen.

1276
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 6: He's throwing to Austin Colley and Kemberl Tompkins and you know,

1277
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 6: the guy from Foxborough High and he marches right down

1278
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 6: the field and wins the game like that. That is

1279
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 6: water into wine, right, Like, that's what we're talking about.

1280
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 6: But when he's out there in you know, sixteen seventeen

1281
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 6: and he's he's got Gronk and he's got Edelman, and

1282
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 6: he's got you know, a really good players around him,

1283
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 6: good running backs, you know, James White, players like that, Like, okay,

1284
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 6: then all of them stunk like I like, I guess

1285
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 6: all of them stunk like I don't know.

1286
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 3: I told you he keep saying Gronk, and I keep

1287
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 3: telling you that Gronk would have been a Hall of

1288
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 3: Fame caliber player regardless.

1289
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 6: It's just like, all right, but I don't think.

1290
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 5: Dean Branch was a Hall of Fame caliber player.

1291
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 6: Good receiver.

1292
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 3: He made him look better than he was. Troy Brown,

1293
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 3: love you mean it made him look better than he was. Now,

1294
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 3: Drew also made Troy Brown look better than he was,

1295
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 3: but not like, not like Brady.

1296
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 6: So he did it with Troy Brown. He became with Drew,

1297
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 6: and he did it with Brady. But somehow both of

1298
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 6: them made them.

1299
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 5: Look he didn't Troy Brown didn't do what he did

1300
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 5: with Brady That No, he didn't have the numbers.

1301
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 3: He became a hundred catch guy with with David Patton,

1302
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,479
Speaker 3: David Gibbons on Branch like these guys you know called

1303
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 3: well Jabbard, Gaffney, these guys were not great players. He

1304
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,439
Speaker 3: made them look a lot better. These are the guys

1305
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 3: that were catching Brandon LaFell. He absolutely he's catching like game.

1306
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that they're also, that doesn't mean that

1307
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 3: they're all scrubs. I didn't say there was scrubs. I

1308
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,240
Speaker 3: said he they were good players that he made look better.

1309
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 5: I just want That's what I said, not.

1310
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 6: Have everybody some love but Brady.

1311
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 4: And that's like how many teams go twenty years and

1312
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 4: they just have Hall of famers up and down the line.

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00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 3: Like like, well, Peyton Manning made Austin Caley the guy

1314
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 3: you just dismissed. That's that's what Peyton Manning did. Yes,

1315
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 3: he had he had Harrison and Wayne and a lot

1316
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 3: of other cracks.

1317
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 6: About Clark, stiff, Drin James.

1318
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 3: Edrin James was stick Dallas Clark Like that's another example

1319
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 3: of the quarterback. And by the way, the quarter and

1320
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 3: he's got to marry time and he did the same

1321
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:06,919
Speaker 3: thing with Welker. What do you mean, come on, don't

1322
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 3: be good player? Not not Marvin Harrison, not not like Harrison,

1323
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 3: Pierre Garson.

1324
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 6: If you're going to sit here and say that that

1325
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 6: and Marius Thomas like it would have been one of

1326
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 6: Brady's best receivers. Like, if you're going to like go there.

1327
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 5: I agree.

1328
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 6: So then when we're talking to him making my point, no,

1329
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 6: I just when you go to Peyton like it, just

1330
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 6: that that's a whole separate because.

1331
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 3: We can't look at these things and for a lens

1332
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 3: of something that might give somebody else credit.

1333
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 2: When it just comes to football, IQ. Peyton had every

1334
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 2: much of it that Brady had.

1335
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 6: Payton was great, but he was great.

1336
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 3: He wasn't as good as Brady, not quite.

1337
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 2: No, he had a lot more, but he made guys

1338
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 2: look better. He had such command of that offense.

1339
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 3: He never had the ability to punt the ball in

1340
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 3: the heyday of the Colts Patriots rivalry because if he

1341
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 3: punted once the game was over because the Patriots weren't

1342
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 3: gonna gonna not score, not against that defense.

1343
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 6: But everybody sucked besides Brady.

1344
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I didn't say anything about the defensive players sucking.

1345
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 3: Seymour was in the Hall of Fame. Will Fork could

1346
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 3: be someday, Harrison could be something.

1347
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 2: The coach one good defense. They have two good defensive

1348
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 2: players who if they were.

1349
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 6: To have played like three play three games a year.

1350
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 2: Sanders, right, you're right. If he if he got hurt,

1351
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 2: then they had trouble.

1352
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 5: And mathis yeah, good players. FREDI was good.

1353
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 6: They were a good player. Matthis was good too.

1354
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 5: Phil's in Utah. What's up Phil?

1355
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 9: Hey, guys, long time listener, Pyre listening for twenty years.

1356
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: How you doing good?

1357
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 5: Good? Thanks for listening. Good for twenty years?

1358
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I love the show. Hey, got a question

1359
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 9: trivia question for you. And then I wanted to share

1360
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 9: with you about tell you a story about mister Kraft.

1361
00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 6: I want to hear that board the.

1362
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 9: Game which the game out here close to me?

1363
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 14: Once?

1364
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 9: Did you to figure out which game it was? Before

1365
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 9: the game, they handed mister Kraft a letter that he

1366
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 9: read that was saying that Teddy Brusk was coming back

1367
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 9: to play after his strokes. Okay, and Patriot said up

1368
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 9: losing that game twenty eight to twenty. Paul quarterback was

1369
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 9: the Snake. You know the opponent what.

1370
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 6: Two and five they lost at Denver to the Broncos.

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00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 3: Correct, Okay, I only got it, which was Snake, Yeah,

1372
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 3: Jake Plumber. And then I remember they lost twenty eight

1373
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 3: to twenty and that was again they were getting killed

1374
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 3: and they came back. And Andy asked Belichick after the

1375
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 3: game if he ever thought they were back in the game.

1376
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 5: I'm talking about the one score game.

1377
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 3: Like he got really mad, and then like two weeks

1378
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 3: later he goes, well, we really weren't even competitive in

1379
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:57,959
Speaker 3: that game. And Andy was so mad because Andy asked

1380
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 3: him basically what. Three weeks later, Belichick came around to saying, like,

1381
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 3: you know, we were kind of hanging on in that game, right, Okay?

1382
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 9: So yeah, the oh here it comes the Shanahan stall

1383
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 9: at the Pacers for making their comeback. It's pretty funny.

1384
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 13: Yeah.

1385
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 9: So before the game, mister Kraft is over on the sideline.

1386
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 9: A bunch of fans were there and he's autographing stuff

1387
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 9: and they're hanging tee shirts down over the wall and

1388
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 9: he's signing everything. Well, he's not really paying attention, so

1389
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 9: he signed the stadium. So the bumper that's the past

1390
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 9: around the stadium. Oh yeah, Pop on the side of

1391
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 9: the statement, I said, you guys, I sent you guys

1392
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 9: a picture was pretty funny.

1393
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 2: So I'm wonderful it's probably not there anymore. They've probably

1394
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 2: switched that out by now, right, it's like twenty years.

1395
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 9: I would hope.

1396
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 2: So, yeah, would that'd be funny, Like they're switching it

1397
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:50,919
Speaker 2: out and the guy's like.

1398
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 5: Hey, okay, yeah.

1399
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 9: Who back bob?

1400
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1401
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 9: So rule rule question for you, rule proposal. You know,

1402
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 9: there's lots to talk about overtime rules and you know,

1403
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 9: two possessions and whatever, and the discussion is always, you know,

1404
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 9: no one they don't know if they're going to get

1405
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 9: the ball back in overtime. So what if they did

1406
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 9: away with the coin toss for overtime and they just

1407
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 9: said coin toss at the beginning of the game and

1408
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 9: we alternate possessions to the half and then for overtime,

1409
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 9: so you play the fourth board or knowing who gets

1410
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 9: the ball first and overtime, and then you play your

1411
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 9: sudden death sudden victory in overtime.

1412
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: What do you think about that?

1413
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 9: And I'll think about you.

1414
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 5: I don't like it.

1415
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, my problem with the sudden death and overtime has

1416
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 3: nothing really to do with the coin toss. It's more

1417
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 3: the team that gets the ball first has a chance

1418
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:46,439
Speaker 3: to end the game, Like I think both teams should

1419
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 3: have a chance.

1420
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 5: But does it affect at all how the game might end? Like,

1421
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 5: that's what I was thinking about.

1422
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 4: Would it impact your knowing like, well, we've got the

1423
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 4: ball if we gets overtime right.

1424
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 5: Affects your strategy or we know we.

1425
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 2: Definitely would affect your strategy, But that doesn't mean it's

1426
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 2: better or worse. It does affect the strategy towards the

1427
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:04,919
Speaker 2: end of the game.

1428
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 5: If you know, if it's.

1429
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 6: A tie game and you know you're getting the ball

1430
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 6: and overtime, you're just gonna sit on it because you.

1431
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 5: Wouldn't do that.

1432
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 4: You're going to like it tethers the the coin toss

1433
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 4: to the game where it feels like overtime now with

1434
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 4: a separate coin toss is kind of its own separate element.

1435
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 5: So now you're going you're keeping overtime tied to.

1436
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 3: I think it might be the only strategy I could

1437
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 3: see in Mike's theory which I think could could come

1438
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 3: into play thinking about it, is going for two, like

1439
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 3: if you had the ball at the end. Let's let's

1440
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 3: say that the Titans game last year that the Patriots

1441
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 3: know the Titans getting are getting the ball to start overtime, Well,

1442
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 3: maybe I'm more apt to.

1443
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 5: Go for it.

1444
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe, Yeah, probably affects the odds. I mean, don't

1445
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 4: you know how they have that like like real time

1446
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 4: odds of your chance of winning the game. So in

1447
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 4: that regard, it might look at that opportunity as you

1448
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 4: you have to kind of go for two right now,

1449
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 4: because if you don't, there's a high probability they're going

1450
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 4: to get the they're going to get the first session

1451
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 4: and probably scoring in the game based on you know.

1452
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 5: So, I don't know.

1453
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 4: It's interesting though, It's I don't like, I don't hate

1454
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 4: the idea of, like I said, tethering it to the

1455
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 4: game itself and still having it part of the game flow,

1456
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 4: whereas now is overtime is you're just kind of starting

1457
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 4: over again, like it's a new game basically.

1458
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 6: So would you do the Bill thing of like just

1459
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 6: play it out as a quarter because that's what Bill,

1460
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 6: That's what I would do. Bo always vouched for it

1461
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 6: to just be it's just quarter five like it.

1462
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 3: Whoever possessed it like continue it ends in a tie

1463
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 3: after the fifth quarter, it's a tie.

1464
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you can't do that in the playoffs, No,

1465
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 5: you keep.

1466
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 6: Playing hockey style.

1467
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, interesting idea. I love when people come up with

1468
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 5: this kind of STI like those ideas.

1469
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 3: That's I would not be in favor of that particular one,

1470
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 3: but I do like those kinds of.

1471
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 5: Game theories where how does it affect how the game went?

1472
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 5: Unfold it?

1473
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 3: Because I do feel like there would be in certain

1474
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 3: circumstances at the end of the fourth quarter might change

1475
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 3: an approach.

1476
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, uh uh so how about how about.

1477
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 5: If you were down three?

1478
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 3: If you were down three and let's say, you know,

1479
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 3: third and goal from the four yard line, incomplete pass,

1480
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 3: fourth and goal, two seconds left, kick the field goal

1481
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 3: to tie it, know when the other team has the ball,

1482
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 3: or do you now go for it and say I'm

1483
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 3: going to take a shot to win. So I do

1484
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 3: think there are very specific circumstances that that might change

1485
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 3: the mentality of, you know, the decision making.

1486
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 5: Kendall's in North Carolina. Hate Kendall Kendall.

1487
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 14: Hey, Hey, hey, how you doing good?

1488
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 11: Good? I got a Christian I was listening to great

1489
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 11: podcast last night that Ullu.

1490
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 2: Was just giving your don't do that.

1491
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 11: I was listening to Great said that mac Hollands was

1492
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 11: a for sure lot. He said, Popud's a lot. I

1493
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 11: don't understand that, like what mc holland was doing, that

1494
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 11: he's a lot to.

1495
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 2: Big think he got signed as a free agent.

1496
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just feel like they have and I don't

1497
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 6: necessarily agree with that the pop element to that.

1498
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 11: He said, he said Mac was a sure lot. There's

1499
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 11: no way to get pot and he said that Pop

1500
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 11: isn't a lot to make the team.

1501
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 6: Well I could. I kind of understand his thinking a

1502
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 6: little bit, just like Mac Collins to me is just

1503
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 6: like they have a they have a role in mind

1504
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 6: for Mac Collins, Like I understand that he's not Randy Moss,

1505
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 6: but like they have a vision of like the leadership

1506
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 6: and the four down ability and like what he's going

1507
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 6: to bring to the whole thing.

1508
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 3: Can we like agree, you know, right, wrong or indifferent

1509
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 3: than Mac Collins has had a better NFL career than

1510
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 3: Pop Douglas Bong NFL per Ye, he's proven something tomorrow.

1511
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 2: Thanks Kendall. I don't know what you're doing over there.

1512
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,919
Speaker 6: I think what Greg's point was if I remember correct,

1513
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 6: because I actually saw something about it yesterday, was like

1514
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 6: that Douglas could be a trade candidate, out of which

1515
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 6: I don't think he was thinking that Douglas isn't going

1516
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 6: to make the roster. It would be either trade or

1517
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 6: make the roster. Not there's no cut in that cat

1518
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 6: in that element there. But like with mac Collins said,

1519
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 6: I feel like we get a lot of calls about

1520
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 6: MATC Collins.

1521
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 3: And didn't do anything all because he was hurt and

1522
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 3: he rehabbed, and everybody just says he's not going to

1523
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:25,439
Speaker 3: make the team.

1524
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 6: They're just like he has familiar to he played with

1525
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 6: McDaniels in Vegas. Like there's just they have.

1526
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 5: They signed him for a reason. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1527
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 2: And I don't think Pop is a I love Pop,

1528
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 2: but I don't think he's a lock.

1529
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 6: Well, I think he's either a trade or or on

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Speaker 1: Good morning.

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Speaker 18: Don't have a whole lot of rules, okay, but I'm

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01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 18: going to give you the rules that I have, Okay,

1585
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 18: that I would ask.

1586
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 1: Us to try to abide by. One is to respected team.

1587
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 18: Okay, respect the football team and the people that are here.

1588
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 1: We're building our program. When we talk about you know

1589
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 1: when I.

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01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 18: Got here, okay, and what my goal was, it was

1591
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 18: to build a program that you guys and the coaches

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Speaker 18: and the staff wanted to be a part of, that

1593
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 18: they wanted to protect, and that you were proud of it.

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01:09:57,880 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 18: I'm proud of the way we prepare, I'm proud of

1595
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 18: the way we practice, okay, And I'm proud of my

1596
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 18: teammates for the effort in which they play. The overriding

1597
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 18: goals for that program that we're going to build is

1598
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:09,839
Speaker 18: going to be one to win the division.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 18: When was the last time the New England Patriots won

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Speaker 18: the division?

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01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 1: Does anybody know? Twenty nineteen.

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01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,719
Speaker 18: So we're building our own identity, okay, and it's all

1604
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 18: going to be based on how do we make you, guys, Okay,

1605
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:27,560
Speaker 18: as good as you possibly can be as an individual,

1606
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 18: as a player, and then as a teammate. The training staff,

1607
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 18: the equipment staff, the kitchen staff, these people.

1608
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: All here to help you.

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01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:41,799
Speaker 18: Okay, We're going to treat those people with the utmost respect.

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01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 18: That's important to our owner, that's important to me, that's

1611
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 18: important to everybody here, is how you treat people.

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Speaker 1: In this building.

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Speaker 18: Somebody asked me, are you worried about went wrong last year?

1614
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 18: Why the would I care about what happened last year.

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01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:05,440
Speaker 18: I'm worried about what's gonna go right today and tomorrow

1616
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 18: and the next day. We're not worried about what went wrong.

1617
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 18: We're focused on what's gonna go right. And I want

1618
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:12,640
Speaker 18: you to understand that.

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01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: Okay.

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01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 18: The foundation is gonna be built on things like trust.

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01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 18: Do we trust you to do your job and to

1622
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 18: do what's right for the team on and off the field.

1623
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 18: Do you trust what the coaches are telling you so

1624
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 18: that it makes you better When we talk about building

1625
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 18: a program, Okay, the foundation is gonna be built on

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01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 18: things like honesty. The program is gonna be built on honesty. Okay,

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01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 18: we always talk about the truth. You want to tell

1628
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 18: the truth, you want to seek the truth, and you

1629
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 18: want to.

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01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 1: Handle the truth. It's gonna be built on accountability.

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01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 18: When I was in the fifth grade, I had this

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01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 18: hard ass math teacher and he used to come up

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Speaker 18: and grab us by the back of the neck because

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Speaker 18: we were messing around just like you guys did his school.

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Speaker 1: And every time he'd screw up, he'd made you.

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Speaker 18: Right accountability and then it had to spell it right,

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Speaker 18: and then it was the definition I will take responsibility

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Speaker 18: for my own actions.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you anything.

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Speaker 18: Else he taught me about math, but I could tell

1641
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:20,640
Speaker 18: you that accountability is I will take responsibility for my

1642
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 18: own actions. And I thank him because I had to

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01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 18: write it. He'd be like five hundred thousand. So then

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01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 18: we just would spend classes getting ahead. And when he

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01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 18: told his five hundred, we already had him written out.

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01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 1: We were ready to go.

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01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 18: But I know the definition of accountability.

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01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 1: It's going to be built on respect.

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01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 5: You could see if my batman go back. Let's get

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Speaker 5: a yall boys.

1651
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 1: The respect that we have for each other to do

1652
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:44,679
Speaker 1: their job.

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01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 18: What everybody's role here is, and we come to work

1654
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 18: that we communicate. If it's important to you, it will

1655
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 18: be important to us.

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01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: I want you to understand that it will be important.

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01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 18: To us, and ultimately it's going to be built on

1658
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 18: a connection. It's important to me that we get to

1659
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 18: know you guys. It's important to me that you guys

1660
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 18: get to know each other because in the end, when

1661
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 18: goes bad, like it does every season, at some point

1662
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 18: in time, in every locker room throughout the National Football League,

1663
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 18: some is gonna happen. How do we respond there?

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01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 1: Right?

1665
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 18: How do we help a teammate that's going through something.

1666
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 18: There's gonna be an energy. We're not gonna walk around on.

1667
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Speaker 1: A practice field. We're a long way off from.

1668
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 18: There, okay, but there's gonna be an energy around this building.

1669
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 1: What you can expect. We're gonna coachaty eight.

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Speaker 19: On the ball, on the balls in a row, good communication,

1671
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 19: know what to do, nowhere to go.

1672
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 1: And then on Sunday we're gonna let you play.

1673
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 18: Kayden, have you been lifting this offseason?

1674
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:41,639
Speaker 1: If you done any lyft?

1675
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 18: Okay, good, Well, let me come up here and I'm

1676
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 18: going to see how much you've been lifting. Okay, let's

1677
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 18: count off eight steps, Okay, one.

1678
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,919
Speaker 1: Two, three, four, five, six.

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01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 18: Seven, eight. Okay, good, let's turn around. Let's get back

1680
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,679
Speaker 18: to the middle. Let's get four ready, one, two three?

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01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 18: Would you guys all assume this is in the middle. Okay, good,

1682
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 18: I get you a little base here. Get your hands up,

1683
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 18: open your hands up, okay, get hold on ready?

1684
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 1: Okay, good, you've been lifting everybody? Give him around on

1685
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 1: the pause, sit out.

1686
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 18: So what did you just notice right there? And the

1687
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 18: two things we did anybody notice anything, Tony? Did you

1688
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 18: notice anything? How easily I got him to move across

1689
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:34,640
Speaker 18: this hallway? And then when I started pushing against them

1690
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 18: what happened? Yeah, we are going to be along on

1691
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:40,639
Speaker 18: this journey with you, guys.

1692
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 1: You understand that.

1693
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 18: And I don't care whatever's happened or how you've been coached.

1694
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 18: This is how I want to do it.

1695
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:49,679
Speaker 1: Being along for the journey. Yeah.

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01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 18: I was kind of guiding him along there, pushing him

1697
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,600
Speaker 18: a little bit, right, but I was next to him.

1698
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 18: There's a difference between being next to somebody and pushing

1699
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 18: them then sitting across from him and having some conflict.

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01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 1: Okay.

1701
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 18: So that's our whole goal of how we're going to

1702
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 18: operate this program, is that We're going to be along

1703
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 18: on the journey. There's gonna be some ups and downs,

1704
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 18: but that's the whole goal of what we're.

1705
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: Trying to do, is to go along on this journey.

1706
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 18: With you guys, to get you more out of here

1707
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 18: than what you guys think.

1708
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 5: The way they practice a lot of efforts to finish.

1709
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 1: Great teams go out to practice at different piece.

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01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 18: That's just what we're gonna do because that's the only

1711
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 18: way that our identity.

1712
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 1: Can take over.

1713
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 5: This is professional football. This is your job. You're not

1714
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 5: on scholarship. You don't get a rigs.

1715
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 6: Your year better be all right.

1716
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 5: You're not tough.

1717
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 1: You have our complaining this way, men, you can't continue statement.

1718
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 6: You get like two steps decided to get out good.

1719
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 5: That kind of drill should be tear then God go

1720
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 5: work like the dep go rep get off.

1721
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 1: We can remember it, but we can also work together.

1722
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 18: All right, big weekend, my son turns twenty one. We're

1723
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:13,719
Speaker 18: in this business to win and to help players improve.

1724
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: I think that they embraced the change.

1725
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 20: I would have fit with two hunts.

1726
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 5: I feel like I'm blessed to do this, so I

1727
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 5: wake up with that grind every day.

1728
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:22,760
Speaker 9: You tought them.

1729
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:24,879
Speaker 5: That's only that's something that you can write.

1730
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 4: And now great moments in history.

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01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 2: There is no one way but to win for twenty years,

1732
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 2: you better have a tight ship. You have to have

1733
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 2: a tight ship. You can't run it loosey goosey. And

1734
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that the way arians does it would

1735
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 2: work for twenty years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know that. I don't know that either

1737
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 3: don't have a tight But I know a lot of

1738
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 3: other teams that have a looser ship that have won

1739
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 3: for twenty years.

1740
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 5: Well, I don't know.

1741
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 3: They just haven't won six titles because they haven't had Brady.

1742
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, who like Pittsburgh. I don't think Baltimore tight ship.

1743
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:04,679
Speaker 5: I think that that's a real think.

1744
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 17: That he kept Brown.

1745
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, they video the postgame talk after a playoffs, he

1746
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 3: did it, but that's it's not a TA one.

1747
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 2: Guy and and to me and you know it, and

1748
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 2: you agree, Paul, after we learned what a guy Antonio

1749
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 2: Brown was, I have a life more respect for Mike.

1750
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 3: That's absolutely true, right, I think because because he put

1751
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 3: up with a lot.

1752
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:27,679
Speaker 5: Of crowns and he kept it, he kept it going.

1753
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 2: Somehow, I think that organization this isn't steel his daily.

1754
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:33,600
Speaker 2: But I think that organization is a tight ship. I

1755
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 2: think from the top down the Rooneyes, I think there's one.

1756
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 6: But it's not like this is my point.

1757
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 5: Well, but I think that they are a well run organization.

1758
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 5: I agree. I think Baltimore is too. Yeah, I would.

1759
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 3: I think Baltimore is a well run organization. Everybody thinks

1760
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 3: the coach is a weenie, so like, I don't know, what.

1761
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 5: Are you gonna do?

1762
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:50,799
Speaker 1: Harba.

1763
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 5: Everybody hates him.

1764
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 6: He's a whiner, he's always complaining about.

1765
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:57,600
Speaker 5: That's another great moment from.

1766
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 2: All right back are and Patriots filtered.

1767
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 3: Fred the Steelers ship too Brown video in the post game.

1768
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 2: The tight the fact that tomlin Cape kept that together

1769
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 2: with Antonio Brown.

1770
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 5: Right with everybody going doing whatever they wanted to do.

1771
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:19,759
Speaker 5: The fact that Tom win went together and kept winning.

1772
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 2: Yes, we had guys like that too when Belichick figured

1773
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 2: it out.

1774
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 5: Anyway, Well, that's what the whole thing. The premise was.

1775
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 3: They haven't won six titles, but they've won for twenty years. Yeah,

1776
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 3: they've been good for twenty Yeah.

1777
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 2: But when you win those titles, the entitlement start syncing

1778
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 2: in and it's hard to keep it together.

1779
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 5: It really is.

1780
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 4: I mean, I tie that to what you guys said

1781
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 4: about some guys being great coordinators and don't want to

1782
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 4: have to deal with keeping the ship in order as

1783
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 4: you have to do with a head coach, all the

1784
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 4: things Bill Belichick used to say about, you know the other.

1785
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 5: Things you have to do as a head coach.

1786
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 4: I can see why guys would find it appealing to

1787
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 4: be like, I have my position group, I know what

1788
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 4: I'm doing, I have a select group of guys, don't

1789
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 4: have to worry about all this other big picture stuff

1790
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 4: that the head coach has to handle.

1791
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 5: It.

1792
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 2: It's hard to think those I think in that respect,

1793
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 2: I think Belichick is underrated when it comes to being

1794
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:12,680
Speaker 2: the CEO of a team, you.

1795
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:13,839
Speaker 6: Know, program builder.

1796
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think running the ship, running the whole thing,

1797
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:19,520
Speaker 2: I think he's underrated.

1798
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 5: I think I think it was.

1799
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 2: That's the genius he had was keeping this thing together

1800
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:28,520
Speaker 2: for twenty years. It's that's as much of an accomplishment

1801
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 2: as what he did winning, but keeping it together and

1802
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 2: winning like that.

1803
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 6: Best coach in football for twenty years and more than

1804
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 6: a coach.

1805
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,720
Speaker 3: And I don't know how you can say anything that

1806
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 3: he did was underrated. I think he's widely considered.

1807
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 2: People say, people say he was a great coach, but

1808
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 2: not a great cham People say that all the time.

1809
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 5: But that's two different things. I would agree with that.

1810
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 2: But to me, a general manager is the guy that runs.

1811
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,760
Speaker 5: I think he was underrated as a general manager. I

1812
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 5: think I think he was bad at it.

1813
01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:00,799
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I think I include. I think you're focusing

1814
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 2: on just personnel decisions.

1815
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1816
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1817
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 2: To me, a general manager in the true sense is

1818
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 2: someone who runs the team, who's in charge of the

1819
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:12,640
Speaker 2: whole operation. And in that way, well then who is

1820
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 2: that person.

1821
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 3: The head coach kind of runs like the operation. And

1822
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 3: I think Belichick is not on every team, tremendous not

1823
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 3: on every team, and every team is different.

1824
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 2: I think in Art in the Patriots during the dynasty,

1825
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 2: he was both. He was the guy that ran the

1826
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 2: whole organization and he was the head coach. And I

1827
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 2: think in the running of the organization part, I think

1828
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 2: he was underrated.

1829
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 6: So ta Costa in Baltimore. Now, does he run the Ravens?

1830
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1831
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 6: No, No, John Harbord does, Okay, Okay, he doesn't. Scouting, yeah,

1832
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 6: oh yeah.

1833
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 3: He's the general manager, does all the player personnelity does,

1834
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:53,560
Speaker 3: Like Harvard doesn't that personnel control DA Costa does. I

1835
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 3: wouldn't say that Costa runs the Ravens. I would say

1836
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 3: Harbord does. He's the CEO of the Baltimore Ravens. I

1837
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 3: think Bill was outstanding at that. I totally agree with

1838
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 3: Fred on this. He wasn't just a coach. He ran

1839
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 3: every every day.

1840
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 5: There was no confusion.

1841
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 3: Bill is the messager messenger and he's the one who's

1842
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 3: delivering it every day, no ambiguity.

1843
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 5: Everybody knew what.

1844
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 6: They had to do because Bill made sure everybody knew

1845
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 6: what they had to do. Yeah, he ran the team.

1846
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 6: They haven't played any games. But don't you feel the

1847
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:29,680
Speaker 6: same way about Rabel? Like the second that he has

1848
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 6: gotten here in every exposure we've had to him.

1849
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 3: It's SAE, there's Elliott or Ryan Cowden. One of those

1850
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 3: guys is the GM, even though they don't have the

1851
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 3: title of GM head scout.

1852
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 5: Mike Rabel runs the Patriots.

1853
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 6: It's incredible like that some of the stuff that he's

1854
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 6: taught to us about, you know, just all the things

1855
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 6: that he thinks about, Like, I don't know how much

1856
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:52,200
Speaker 6: of it necessarily contributes to winning. It doesn't. But like

1857
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:54,680
Speaker 6: all the elements, like we talked about him on this

1858
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,639
Speaker 6: show about like social media, right, and players with social

1859
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 6: media and like all these other different things, is that

1860
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:02,679
Speaker 6: you are in his purview.

1861
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 2: There's so many things that can go wrong, so many

1862
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 2: things that can go wrong, especially and you believe it

1863
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 2: or not. More so when you start winning, and like

1864
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 2: the entitlement starts seeping in. You know, the guys want theirs,

1865
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 2: they want their contract. There's so much that goes into

1866
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 2: it that that's why you don't see it a lot

1867
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 2: where you know, what the Patriots did, uh, because it's

1868
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:28,800
Speaker 2: hard to keep it together.

1869
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 3: Really hard, and I think there was really really good

1870
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 3: stay the same every day that I mean Billy every

1871
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 3: way to play win or lose.

1872
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 5: I mean that was impressive.

1873
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 4: I mean I kind of give Mike Greese a little credit,

1874
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 4: Like like Mike Greece is the same every day, whether

1875
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 4: the team wins four games where they were in the

1876
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 4: Super Bowl, he gets always but he pursues this with

1877
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:50,679
Speaker 4: the same kind of you know, the same thing as Bill.

1878
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 4: I would compare it to the same passion for the

1879
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 4: game and the team that that you know, no matter

1880
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:57,640
Speaker 4: what the results are, keep going but I don't want

1881
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 4: to oversimplify it. But between the Bruins tip lately with

1882
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:03,680
Speaker 4: their draft, between looking at the eighties and the Patriots

1883
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 4: drafts at that time, is it just is it an

1884
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:09,800
Speaker 4: over gross, over oversimplification to just saying professional sports, if

1885
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:13,599
Speaker 4: you don't hit on a superstar every handful of years,

1886
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 4: you're not going to be relevant. Like the only way

1887
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 4: to stay good is your our organization has to hit

1888
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 4: on superstars, preferably in the draft. That probably there's an

1889
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 4: argument you made free agency that you can do it,

1890
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 4: maybe not sustainably quite as long, but like that's everything

1891
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 4: to me.

1892
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 5: You look at the Bruins like they're in a transition

1893
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 5: period now they have no star players.

1894
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 4: You have the Patriots the last couple of years they

1895
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 4: had no star players. You look at those drafts that

1896
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 4: led up to it three four years ago, and you see,

1897
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 4: this is a total whiff.

1898
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:41,559
Speaker 5: This is a total whiff. Felt the same way about.

1899
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 4: Looking at the eighties Patriots where eighty one, eighty two,

1900
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 4: eighty three good drafts Andre Tippett started to miss out,

1901
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 4: then eighty four, eighty five, eighty six bad drafts catch

1902
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:52,720
Speaker 4: up with them four or five years down, Like I

1903
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:55,720
Speaker 4: don't know if it's over simplifying, but Trevor not a

1904
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 4: big Trevor, but that's how it was.

1905
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 5: You look at Wow.

1906
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 4: I mean, look, you get Ronnie Lapett and like the

1907
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 4: sixth round or whatever, and this guy goes on and

1908
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:04,559
Speaker 4: is a starter, and no one probably remembers how good

1909
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 4: or bad he was, but he was a solid player

1910
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 4: that you know, led this team to a lot of wins.

1911
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 5: And you know, if you don't find those players, you're

1912
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 5: you're just your s's argument too. Man, I forget the

1913
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 5: individual year.

1914
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 3: If it was eighty two, eighty four, or you know,

1915
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:20,640
Speaker 3: somewhere in that eighties, might be the best draft in

1916
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 3: the Patriots history. Yeah, like it's in a small handful

1917
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 3: of consideration.

1918
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, twenty ten, Yeah, yeah, that's and like Bill Bill

1919
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 4: hit some of those players along the way. And then

1920
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 4: you know the late two thousands when they hit that

1921
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 4: lull and O nine and it looked like things might

1922
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 4: be going sideways right now, Like that didn't that team

1923
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 4: that lost to the Ravens, you guys know what, they

1924
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:40,640
Speaker 4: got blown off the field like it looked like it

1925
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:43,560
Speaker 4: was over. Then you get Gronkowski, and you get Hernandez

1926
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 4: and you get Devin mccordy, and you get Dante Hid.

1927
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:47,880
Speaker 5: All of a sudden, they hit on some stars. Those

1928
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:49,520
Speaker 5: players didn't exist.

1929
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:52,759
Speaker 4: In twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty.

1930
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 5: You know, like that's how it catches up with you.

1931
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 5: And I'm not gonna lie to you, like you look

1932
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 5: at some of the last couple drafts. We need to

1933
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 5: see a lot more out of these.

1934
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 4: Guys if they're going to get out of this this circle,

1935
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 4: no matter how good, Drake may or Mike.

1936
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 2: Ribbles starting with Drake May, Tyler wo Ludlaw little, would

1937
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 2: you rather non football looks like one? All your closest

1938
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:16,679
Speaker 2: friends are eighteen years old or eighty eighty?

1939
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 5: Right now?

1940
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:21,559
Speaker 6: Right now, come on, eighteen year.

1941
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:23,599
Speaker 5: Old, all your closest friends are eighteen or eighty.

1942
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:25,760
Speaker 6: It's a great it's a great quest, great question.

1943
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:26,679
Speaker 5: Are going to go eighteen?

1944
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 1: Might go?

1945
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 5: Could you relate more to the young kid?

1946
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 6: Definitely not. I'm a child. Do you understand what eighteen

1947
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 6: year olds are like?

1948
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 5: That's what I would not.

1949
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:39,559
Speaker 3: Rather go golfing with my sons than you know, part

1950
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 3: cheesy with the try to find out what I can

1951
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 3: do with an eighty year old.

1952
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 6: I feel like your your son's from what you tell.

1953
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 2: Us is but your that's not fair part not your son.

1954
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 5: My son's age. One's eighteen, one's twenty. Okay, so you're

1955
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 5: saying someone like your sons. Yeah, if I mean, I'm

1956
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:57,920
Speaker 5: assuming these are my friends. Yeah, your closest friends.

1957
01:25:57,920 --> 01:25:59,679
Speaker 6: I can't go golfing with an eighty year old.

1958
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,960
Speaker 5: Well, but some of them can take the car. Take

1959
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 5: the car?

1960
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:06,720
Speaker 3: Sure, nobody.

1961
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 5: Who would you relate better to? Yeah, I don't know.

1962
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 6: Would I relate better to probably the eighty year old.

1963
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's that's the it's a good question.

1964
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,839
Speaker 5: That's why I said that. It's but I would pick eighteen.

1965
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 6: When you walk through like like areas of Boston, like

1966
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 6: the popular areas of Boston. Now I see poor you know,

1967
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 6: Faniel Hall, things like that, Like these kids are out

1968
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 6: there with their ring lights and their cell phones just

1969
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 6: taking TikTok videos and Instagram selfies and like like that's

1970
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 6: what the eighteen year olds are doing, and that's what

1971
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 6: you want to do in your free time. No, I

1972
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 6: don't like things dance. The eighty year olds are sitting

1973
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 6: around watching Mattlock.

1974
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 5: I don't want to do that either. I know, it's

1975
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:52,639
Speaker 5: it's a good question. Much.

1976
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 6: I'd much rather watch Mattlock than watch you know, good

1977
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 6: seventeen poses like oh, we're going to the beach today.

1978
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 3: So that's that's one element of what eighteen year olds do.

1979
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 3: Like if they're my friends, they're probably not doing that, right,

1980
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 3: So again, like my kids don't do that now. They

1981
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 3: do a lot of other things that are annoying me, of course,

1982
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 3: But like I said, I can go golfing with my boys.

1983
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 3: I could go fishing with my boys. I can't do

1984
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 3: these things with eighty year olds.

1985
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 5: That's true. You can go fish fish.

1986
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:26,560
Speaker 3: I'm just saying in general, no more things that I

1987
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 3: could figure out how to.

1988
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:27,760
Speaker 5: You know.

1989
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 2: Now, it's interesting that Tyler uses eighteen instead of twenty one.

1990
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:32,840
Speaker 2: So with twenty one you could at least go and

1991
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:37,560
Speaker 2: have a drink. Right, that's different so that but I'm

1992
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 2: kind of with Paul. At least you can do stuff

1993
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 2: with the eighteen year old with somebody's eighty like any

1994
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 2: day now.

1995
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 5: And pretty much strictly resigned to sitting around right and

1996
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 5: playing chess. Maybe yeah, you know.

1997
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:56,640
Speaker 3: I just be asking to read our books. My dad's

1998
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 3: my dad's, you know, in his eighties. I love spending

1999
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:01,720
Speaker 3: time with my dad, but like once I spent like,

2000
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 3: what else am I doing other than just sitting around

2001
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:05,639
Speaker 3: talking to my dad?

2002
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 5: You know?

2003
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 3: My dad's like my favorite person on the planet, But like,

2004
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 3: what else am I going to do? I used to

2005
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:13,839
Speaker 3: golf with my father, but he can't do it anymore.

2006
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:16,639
Speaker 3: Take the card he can't play.

2007
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 2: The second one is would you rather be able to

2008
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 2: remember everyone's names and faces or every book, movie, and

2009
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 2: TV show you've ever seen?

2010
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 4: A red book, movie, TV show would be amazing, huh.

2011
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 4: Acquire a lot of knowledge, you know, and be able

2012
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 4: to talk about a lot of things.

2013
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:35,640
Speaker 3: And I say this to somebody who puts trouble, that

2014
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:39,360
Speaker 3: would make you incredibly learned, As they say, I think,

2015
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 3: I agree.

2016
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, I read.

2017
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 5: I can get by people's names and faces.

2018
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 4: Like last night, got back from a trip and she

2019
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 4: was like, oh, I got you a book and I'm

2020
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 4: like oh, She's like, it's The Psychology of Money, And

2021
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:51,640
Speaker 4: I like this first time.

2022
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:53,360
Speaker 5: I never asked me, I've already read it. She's like,

2023
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 5: did you like him? Like, I have no idea. I

2024
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:57,639
Speaker 5: read books and then they're like out of my head.

2025
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:58,759
Speaker 5: The second books.

2026
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 2: Would your child is the best player on every team,

2027
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 2: but you're the parent that yells at the coach and

2028
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:07,640
Speaker 2: ref all the game. Or your kid is among the

2029
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 2: worst on the team, but you're the coach that keeps

2030
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 2: them in the whole game.

2031
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 5: Those are both miserable.

2032
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 2: Your child is the best player on every team, but

2033
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 2: you're the parent that yells at the coach and ref

2034
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 2: all game. Or your kid is among the worst in

2035
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:23,519
Speaker 2: the team, but you're the coach that keeps them in

2036
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 2: the game.

2037
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 6: There's nothing more annoying. There's nothing more annoying than number two.

2038
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 6: But it's the coach's son. There's nothing worse than that.

2039
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd rather have my politics.

2040
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 3: I hate both of those scenarios. But yeah, there's nothing

2041
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 3: worse than the coach that plays his kid who can't play.

2042
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 5: Nothing worse than that. And finally, would you rather when

2043
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 5: going on a trip?

2044
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 2: Would you rather have everything packed for you or have

2045
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 2: everything clean and put away when you return home?

2046
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 5: Yeah? Clean and put away. I don't mind packing for

2047
01:29:56,880 --> 01:30:00,599
Speaker 5: a trip, I would agree. Yeah, it's very medical. I'm

2048
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 5: always like how much underwear, like I'm three days.

2049
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 3: I find both of those things very Yeah, well, I

2050
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 3: find both of those things very easy.

2051
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:09,840
Speaker 5: But I would rather pack than clean. I feel like

2052
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 5: a pro.

2053
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:12,519
Speaker 4: Like we got back from India the combine, Like I

2054
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 4: just take the whole thing and just dump it right

2055
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 4: on the wash.

2056
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 5: I do that.

2057
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:19,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, not that we signed five minutes my suitcases back

2058
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 3: in the atta. Yet I am one of like I needed, Yeah,

2059
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:24,160
Speaker 3: you want to get it.

2060
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:26,679
Speaker 6: Not that we super long trip, but I think because

2061
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:28,720
Speaker 6: we travel so much, like I have it down to

2062
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 6: an absolute science of like what are the essentials that

2063
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 6: you really need for these trips, Like it's all basically

2064
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 6: already packed, like especially once we get in seasons.

2065
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:39,759
Speaker 5: Remember I was one bag Paul. They called me one bag.

2066
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 2: There was a time where I bought I found this

2067
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 2: it's a it's a It was a backpack that was

2068
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:49,960
Speaker 2: used by DJs and I was able not only to

2069
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,479
Speaker 2: carry all my clothes in it, but my laptop and

2070
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:54,840
Speaker 2: all my work stuff. And I had one bag that

2071
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:56,200
Speaker 2: I would take on a trip.

2072
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:58,560
Speaker 5: In your turntables too, if all my turntables.

2073
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 6: I've considered looking into that because we only go for

2074
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 6: one night when we like go to a road game,

2075
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:07,080
Speaker 6: and it's like you know, this guy, get one bag.

2076
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 6: But then you have to lug all your clothes and

2077
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 6: stuff like around the stadium.

2078
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 5: But it was a backpack.

2079
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, but still you got this big backpack it was.

2080
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 5: It wasn't that big. It wasn't that big. C it

2081
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 5: wasn't that big. But it had to be heavy. Oh

2082
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:25,639
Speaker 5: it was heavy. We'll be a little scratching before the game,

2083
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 5: you know.

2084
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:26,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2085
01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:27,640
Speaker 2: And one time I think I had to bring an

2086
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:29,720
Speaker 2: extra pair of shoes because I forget what we were doing.

2087
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 2: So I had them tied on the outside of the

2088
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 2: hanging off the bag.

2089
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 5: I think that to play tennis. And didn't you bring

2090
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:42,920
Speaker 5: your racket? That was I don't know. Maybe maybe I

2091
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 5: thought that was the San Diego trip.

2092
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:44,760
Speaker 6: It might.

2093
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 5: It might have been.

2094
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:50,639
Speaker 2: So I had my sneakers hang tied on outside the bag.

2095
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 2: No more room.

2096
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 5: All right?

2097
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 2: Uh, I haven't talked to this guy in a long time. Uh, Eldred,

2098
01:31:58,200 --> 01:31:58,800
Speaker 2: where you've been?

2099
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 5: What's up? Elgi? Hey?

2100
01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 8: Tellers, how y'all doing. I'm doing good. I hope you

2101
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 8: I have a happy four Yeah.

2102
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 5: I hope so too. Yeah. What are you doing? Are you?

2103
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 5: Are you on the road for the fourth of you off?

2104
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:19,360
Speaker 19: I'm working just a half a day, okay? You know

2105
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:24,160
Speaker 19: all right, yeah, working half a day and everything, all right, Evan, congratulations,

2106
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 19: and I'm gonna have to agree with disagree with you

2107
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:28,520
Speaker 19: man all Brady.

2108
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:31,840
Speaker 8: I've been saying that for years. Sorry, but you can

2109
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:33,240
Speaker 8: look at the wide.

2110
01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:33,800
Speaker 9: Receivers he had.

2111
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 20: He did make him look better like the fail absolutely

2112
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:44,519
Speaker 20: Hogan Emmondola. You know, welcome with the binkie and I

2113
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:49,120
Speaker 20: love that though, but you know than that, I still say, Brady, Brady,

2114
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:54,400
Speaker 20: my question is this, well, how about that?

2115
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, okay, I got one quo.

2116
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:04,559
Speaker 8: Everybody keeps throwing these pass rushers at us that then

2117
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:08,640
Speaker 8: they past they prime thirty and thirty six. You know

2118
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 8: that they'll pay this much and that much. But I

2119
01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 8: rather thow money at a true act because we don't

2120
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:18,439
Speaker 8: have one and walking and now I know what you

2121
01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:21,200
Speaker 8: all throw his notes of ad Mitchell. But he's down

2122
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 8: on the depth chart because like I said, he ain't

2123
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 8: he't got pay Fitzman because they ain't gonna take his spot.

2124
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:30,360
Speaker 8: So he's done grown up about that. I do what

2125
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:33,160
Speaker 8: you get one from May that's younger. It's steady thirty

2126
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 8: six and forty year old receivers, and I take it off.

2127
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 5: Their Okay, I have a good one.

2128
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:38,920
Speaker 2: I mean I think we all agree with that. I mean,

2129
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:43,160
Speaker 2: we want a true you know, superstar acts.

2130
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:45,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just a matter of who's available.

2131
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2132
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:47,960
Speaker 6: The reason why the pass rushers are coming up is

2133
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:50,280
Speaker 6: because of their issues with their contracts, you know why.

2134
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:52,960
Speaker 6: And Hendrick Center on the market and they're both thirty.

2135
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:55,759
Speaker 3: And the one that we had yesterday on my show

2136
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:58,560
Speaker 3: that was McLaurin. Yeah, And they said who would you

2137
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:02,640
Speaker 3: rather have like or McLaurin, And I said McLaurin, I

2138
01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 3: think what's probably a better pure player.

2139
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I think that would fit the what they

2140
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:08,599
Speaker 6: need more.

2141
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:12,120
Speaker 2: I would agree, Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, So I think

2142
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:14,679
Speaker 2: in that way we're we're agreeing with Eldred.

2143
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:17,559
Speaker 5: I would agree, but I think I would. But who's available. Yeah,

2144
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 5: the pass rush is a major need.

2145
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:21,960
Speaker 3: I just don't think they have any receivers, but they

2146
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 3: do have the need for pass rushing.

2147
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 5: Mike's right, he's been on.

2148
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:28,240
Speaker 6: I think if you know this, you know he likes defense,

2149
01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:28,560
Speaker 6: you know.

2150
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 5: I mean, I think you can committee the pass rush.

2151
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:32,600
Speaker 2: You're not going to have that elite guy, but you

2152
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 2: can you can create pressure as a team. You can

2153
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:38,680
Speaker 2: be a high sacked and the Patriots have shown that

2154
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:41,080
Speaker 2: you can be a high sacked team without one guy

2155
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:44,920
Speaker 2: getting fifteen sacks. But to win the one on ones,

2156
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:48,080
Speaker 2: you know, have that X guy that can always win.

2157
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:49,719
Speaker 5: That's huge.

2158
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 4: But I think what Eldrid's saying is taking a flyer

2159
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,360
Speaker 4: on someone who's available because they're down the depth chart

2160
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 4: and ad Mitchell, like, you know, it's it's hard to

2161
01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 4: make that pitch of oh, well, he's going to come

2162
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:00,720
Speaker 4: in and be the guy. He's a lot like what

2163
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 4: we have right now, which is unknown, and yeah, yeah,

2164
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:04,000
Speaker 4: maybe he can play.

2165
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:05,840
Speaker 6: He had a little bit of a better He had

2166
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 6: a better rookie year than than Polk. But it's like

2167
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 6: not completely different. You know, like two guys that were

2168
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 6: drafted high that that haven't that didn't have great rookie years.

2169
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 6: He was better than Polk as a rookie, but that

2170
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:19,960
Speaker 6: bar is not very high. But like if these guys

2171
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:22,240
Speaker 6: were available, like you know, if they could go trade

2172
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:24,559
Speaker 6: for a superstar receiver, then we would all be on

2173
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 6: board for the superstar receiver. It's just what's avail I like.

2174
01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:30,040
Speaker 5: The idea that they just trade they trade Polk for Mitchell.

2175
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 6: Sure, give that a track set for depressed that.

2176
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 5: But I think that it's in need.

2177
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:37,439
Speaker 4: I just I think it's a lot easier now for

2178
01:35:37,479 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 4: me to look around the league and look at a

2179
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:40,720
Speaker 4: guy like Hendrickson.

2180
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 5: Or even t J. Watt and say, absolutely, this guy

2181
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:44,479
Speaker 5: would fit in this defense. This is exactly the kind

2182
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:45,320
Speaker 5: of player they need.

2183
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 4: Whereas in the past with Bill, where it was so fluid,

2184
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 4: you'd be like, well.

2185
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:50,760
Speaker 5: He's kind of a stand up guy, you know, like

2186
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 5: there'd be something he's Bill gonna use him. Yeah, But

2187
01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 5: now it's just like, no, you get what they're trying

2188
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:55,800
Speaker 5: to do.

2189
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:58,120
Speaker 4: You know what the type is, and both those guys

2190
01:35:58,120 --> 01:35:59,519
Speaker 4: are the type, and I would I would, I would

2191
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 4: sign up for both of them immediately.

2192
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 5: I just think I think it's I think every team

2193
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:04,519
Speaker 5: could use guys like that.

2194
01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Bill would have too. I mean, I

2195
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:08,960
Speaker 3: totally understand Mike's point, but I think Bill would have.

2196
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:12,639
Speaker 5: It didn't stop him from Andre Carter, I mean eleven,

2197
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:13,439
Speaker 5: but yeah, TJ.

2198
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, let's go to Todd. North Carolina hate Todd.

2199
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 2: Todd Todd to Yeah, he's usually right that he's on

2200
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 2: his game, all right. A lot of emails coming in

2201
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:34,960
Speaker 2: Spian Fresno a little off topic one. What are your

2202
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:38,360
Speaker 2: all time favorite sports fights brawls? There are so many

2203
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:41,439
Speaker 2: iconic ones. I get to get your thoughts percolating. Here's

2204
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:44,280
Speaker 2: a quick list that pops to my mind. Pedro tosses

2205
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:48,800
Speaker 2: Zimmer Tyson bikes holy Field to Leib's felony robbery of

2206
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:54,160
Speaker 2: Crabtree on Live TV, Nolan Ryan versus Robin Ventura, Patrick

2207
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:55,799
Speaker 2: Wah versus Mike Vernon.

2208
01:36:56,360 --> 01:37:00,320
Speaker 5: I don't remember that. Oh yeah, Malice at the Palace.

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01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 6: That's that's in that conversation.

2210
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:07,080
Speaker 2: And the many exploits of professional a hole Bill Lambier, Well.

2211
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 6: Some of those are like in game, like athletes first athletes.

2212
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:13,120
Speaker 6: It's like the mouse in the Palace. It was fans

2213
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 6: were involved in that. Yeah. I would put the Bruins one.

2214
01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:19,479
Speaker 5: In going into the stands right at Madison Square, guard

2215
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 5: Milberry taking the guy's shoe off. I think the Yankees

2216
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:24,120
Speaker 5: Red Sox.

2217
01:37:24,160 --> 01:37:28,200
Speaker 3: When you know Sech Vera Tech is Zimmer love that

2218
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:31,439
Speaker 3: because one Evan's going to get mad at me. But

2219
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:33,439
Speaker 3: one thing always bothered me about that, and that was

2220
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:34,920
Speaker 3: Vera Tech leaving his mask on.

2221
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:36,080
Speaker 5: It bucked me.

2222
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 3: Maybe he didn't have time to take it all well,

2223
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:39,840
Speaker 3: I'm sure he didn't think about it because you.

2224
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:41,080
Speaker 6: Think that he was. It's cowardly.

2225
01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I don't think it was. But I

2226
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 3: don't like the look of it because of that, right,

2227
01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 3: I mean, please, there was a softer like star in

2228
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:51,600
Speaker 3: the history of sport.

2229
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:55,760
Speaker 6: Pretty obviously Pedro and Zimmer is like, that's obviously the

2230
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:56,439
Speaker 6: throw down.

2231
01:37:58,360 --> 01:37:59,200
Speaker 5: Hat. That was fine.

2232
01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:01,880
Speaker 6: It was what do you mean I charged Pro?

2233
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:03,880
Speaker 5: He just tossed him to the side.

2234
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:06,040
Speaker 6: I still want to know what Pedro was supposed to do.

2235
01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 6: He's going to let him run him over.

2236
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:11,160
Speaker 5: I don't charge.

2237
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:16,280
Speaker 3: Zimmer was one thousand percent in the wrong, Zimmer And

2238
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:18,600
Speaker 3: and I hate Zimmer. I hated him because he was

2239
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 3: a horrific manager of the Red Sox, of the my

2240
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:27,000
Speaker 3: favorite teams of my childhood. But you couldn't do something

2241
01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:32,080
Speaker 3: other than like that man like that laid him and he.

2242
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:36,240
Speaker 21: That to me is like encourage more annoying what you

2243
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:40,439
Speaker 21: said about because like Don Zimmer is running full speed

2244
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:44,760
Speaker 21: and everybody just wanted Pedro to just wear it, like

2245
01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:46,200
Speaker 21: just let him tackle you.

2246
01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:49,680
Speaker 2: It's like I felt bad. I felt more bad for

2247
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:53,559
Speaker 2: Pedro when people were criticized like all he did was

2248
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:54,800
Speaker 2: toss him to the side.

2249
01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:56,920
Speaker 5: I don't know. It wasn't a great fight, but I

2250
01:38:56,960 --> 01:38:58,920
Speaker 5: don't think they had to do that Cam nearly going

2251
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:00,000
Speaker 5: after Ol Samuelson.

2252
01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:03,600
Speaker 4: That was I kind of enjoyed that that moment elseason

2253
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:05,559
Speaker 4: just kind of turtle that wasn't really actually a fight,

2254
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:06,719
Speaker 4: but was it?

2255
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:09,800
Speaker 5: Was it when Bird just pounded on Lambier. I just

2256
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:11,400
Speaker 5: watched that one. That was good.

2257
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:14,959
Speaker 3: Know, Tony Mas had the like they had the tears yesterday,

2258
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 3: they had like some of these like fireworks. It was

2259
01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:22,320
Speaker 3: like fireworks in Boston history. And that was the Bird

2260
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:23,160
Speaker 3: Lambert stuff.

2261
01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:23,800
Speaker 5: I was here.

2262
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:27,040
Speaker 2: I remember when Robert Parrish punched Parish.

2263
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:29,719
Speaker 3: That's why you said the many dirty exploits of billing.

2264
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:32,080
Speaker 3: I was here for any of her, any of those

2265
01:39:32,240 --> 01:39:34,200
Speaker 3: guys taking shots at Lamber.

2266
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:39,320
Speaker 2: In your youth sports, uh history, do you remember any

2267
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:43,599
Speaker 2: fathers getting in fights, like physical fights fight's father.

2268
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:47,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, a couple of times. Yeah, I mean yeah he was.

2269
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:47,320
Speaker 12: Uh.

2270
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 4: There was the headline in the paper the next day

2271
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:51,639
Speaker 4: was fan fight Mars Holliston victory.

2272
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:53,880
Speaker 5: And because uh, I mean I think I've told this before.

2273
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 4: My I was I was out with the broken wrist,

2274
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:57,920
Speaker 4: drunken high school kids at a high school hockey game,

2275
01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:00,360
Speaker 4: a d telling them to leave. My dad goes wh by.

2276
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:02,280
Speaker 4: After a period, the kids are yelling. My dad went

2277
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:03,920
Speaker 4: up into the stands to try to help him along

2278
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 4: the way.

2279
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:05,040
Speaker 5: And then I.

2280
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 4: Didn't see what happened. I just saw like people rolling

2281
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:08,799
Speaker 4: in the stands and I'm like, oh, there's a fight.

2282
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:10,280
Speaker 5: Going on, and someone's like, it's your dad.

2283
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2284
01:40:12,320 --> 01:40:15,240
Speaker 4: Not's probably greatest pummic, but that's that's him.

2285
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:15,400
Speaker 1: Man.

2286
01:40:15,439 --> 01:40:17,759
Speaker 5: He's like he's like a vigilante for justice.

2287
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:20,960
Speaker 4: If there are kids like being rude and refusing to

2288
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:23,040
Speaker 4: leave and disrespectful to it, he's in the face.

2289
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:25,679
Speaker 5: He's gonna get up in their face and have no problem. Okay,

2290
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:27,000
Speaker 5: all right, all right.

2291
01:40:27,479 --> 01:40:28,880
Speaker 4: He also got to like I think I told another

2292
01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:30,599
Speaker 4: one where like there was a woman changing her tire

2293
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:32,600
Speaker 4: and there were like these guys like harassing her and

2294
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:35,000
Speaker 4: framing him, and he like pulled over and like started

2295
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:37,800
Speaker 4: yelling at the guys to like leave them alone. There

2296
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:39,760
Speaker 4: was one at the Boston Garden where some guy was

2297
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:42,000
Speaker 4: being drunken of like, my dad won't hesitate to like

2298
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:43,840
Speaker 4: get in somebody's face that they're if they're not doing

2299
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:44,280
Speaker 4: the right thing.

2300
01:40:44,360 --> 01:40:46,600
Speaker 2: There was one that I of Red Sox. One that

2301
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:48,840
Speaker 2: I was hoping would turn into a fight is the

2302
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:52,439
Speaker 2: one where Clemens threw at somebody and the guy I

2303
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:53,840
Speaker 2: don't know if it was a broken bat.

2304
01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:57,280
Speaker 5: He Clemens picked up piece of the bat.

2305
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:00,720
Speaker 3: That was Mets Yankees World Series. It was one of

2306
01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:02,320
Speaker 3: the dumbest things I've ever seen in my life.

2307
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:05,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was hoping that. I thought it was Yeah,

2308
01:41:05,439 --> 01:41:06,559
Speaker 5: I know, throwing them.

2309
01:41:09,200 --> 01:41:09,759
Speaker 6: I was helping.

2310
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:13,880
Speaker 3: There's nothing about it that made any sense at all.

2311
01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:15,479
Speaker 3: What does he think he's out if he hits him

2312
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:16,040
Speaker 3: with the ball, you.

2313
01:41:16,479 --> 01:41:17,720
Speaker 6: Know the play?

2314
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:21,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just quintessential Clements meathead r.

2315
01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:24,280
Speaker 2: I wanted to fight there, but it didn't happen.

2316
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:26,880
Speaker 4: Never like Patriots stuff though, really, but I mean football, no,

2317
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:28,519
Speaker 4: not a lot of fights, but there haven't been along

2318
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:29,559
Speaker 4: in the stands.

2319
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:30,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah.

2320
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:33,800
Speaker 4: I was just thinking, like the Panthers practice where that

2321
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:36,880
Speaker 4: was a melee broke out with Wise that.

2322
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:40,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, football is so good you can't fight. It's like

2323
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:44,200
Speaker 5: you gotta throw out the joint practice fights because.

2324
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:49,160
Speaker 6: They're all happens every The fights in football are snatching,

2325
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:52,400
Speaker 6: snatching the chain, or like Mike Evans and Marshawn Lattimore, Like,

2326
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:54,639
Speaker 6: it's usually like a receiver in a corner that get

2327
01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:56,360
Speaker 6: too physical with each other over the course of a

2328
01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:59,400
Speaker 6: Gameland Finn again, Yeah.

2329
01:41:58,960 --> 01:41:59,880
Speaker 5: That's always in fights.

2330
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:03,919
Speaker 6: Andre Johnson landed really really good punch too.

2331
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:07,640
Speaker 2: And then then there are NBA fights where it's more like,

2332
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:09,479
Speaker 2: you know, people slapping each other.

2333
01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:12,360
Speaker 4: How do you guys feel now about hockey fights? Like,

2334
01:42:12,479 --> 01:42:14,760
Speaker 4: sometimes I watch a hockey fight and I'm like, I

2335
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:16,840
Speaker 4: can't believe this still happens. Like it's just crazy to

2336
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:20,280
Speaker 4: me that fights like there's just full on assault will

2337
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:21,920
Speaker 4: break out in the middle of a sporting event, and like,

2338
01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:23,080
Speaker 4: I still I'm a hockey guy.

2339
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:24,719
Speaker 5: I love it, but like it's still.

2340
01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:26,640
Speaker 2: Just like I still can't believe the local media was

2341
01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:29,880
Speaker 2: having orgasms when they in the in the.

2342
01:42:29,439 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 5: Hockey World Cup.

2343
01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:33,080
Speaker 2: Pick your party when when Canada U s A when

2344
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:36,080
Speaker 2: they started off off, people like.

2345
01:42:36,120 --> 01:42:39,960
Speaker 5: This is was pretty coo.

2346
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:41,560
Speaker 6: It was one of the best hockey games I've seen it.

2347
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:43,840
Speaker 3: And I'm sort of like an anti I'm kind of

2348
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:45,920
Speaker 3: like Mike, I think it's kind of run its course,

2349
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:48,000
Speaker 3: not that I don't. I don't think they should outlaw

2350
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:49,720
Speaker 3: because I do think there's a place, and I think

2351
01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:52,799
Speaker 3: there's a reason why it needs to stay in because

2352
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:56,120
Speaker 3: it polices the game itself. But I'm kind of I'm

2353
01:42:56,240 --> 01:42:59,000
Speaker 3: kind of over that. It's just Stan Jonathan beating the

2354
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:00,920
Speaker 3: bag out of Peter Bouchet. When I was a kid, though,

2355
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:02,160
Speaker 3: it was like unbelievable.

2356
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:04,160
Speaker 6: It depends on what the fight like. When they just

2357
01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:06,160
Speaker 6: like kind of have a fight just to fight, it's

2358
01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:07,880
Speaker 6: not as fun. But like I we were at a

2359
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:09,920
Speaker 6: Bruins game off his last year of the year before

2360
01:43:10,439 --> 01:43:13,640
Speaker 6: where the guy on the opposing team, uh, just was

2361
01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:16,880
Speaker 6: going after Pasta, like just going after him. That's going

2362
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:19,360
Speaker 6: after him, and then he ended up boarding him actually

2363
01:43:19,439 --> 01:43:21,479
Speaker 6: and hitting it, you know the numbers in the back

2364
01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:24,240
Speaker 6: right into the boards, and Trent Frederick just beat the

2365
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 6: crap out of the guy.

2366
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:27,479
Speaker 3: You get whoever, the toughest guy you have, has got

2367
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:28,599
Speaker 3: to go and protect your stuff.

2368
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:31,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it happened right in front of us. You

2369
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:33,960
Speaker 6: would have thought that it was like gladiators in the

2370
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:37,160
Speaker 6: freak like and the whole stands were like like rooting

2371
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:37,800
Speaker 6: for Frederick to.

2372
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:38,679
Speaker 5: Just blood lust.

2373
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:43,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, because Pasta is like like on like he's still

2374
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:47,080
Speaker 6: on the ice. Like I don't know if it was.

2375
01:43:47,240 --> 01:43:47,760
Speaker 1: It might have been.

2376
01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:54,720
Speaker 6: Another right, it was great, but like that was the

2377
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:58,920
Speaker 6: that was a real true hockey fight, like I can't now,

2378
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:00,880
Speaker 6: I can't remember if it was Star Marshi, but it

2379
01:44:00,920 --> 01:44:04,879
Speaker 6: was one of the sto yeah, absolutely, and and Frederick

2380
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:07,479
Speaker 6: won the fight. The guy other guy actually ended up

2381
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:09,720
Speaker 6: getting some locks into and we were like, oh, this

2382
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:11,880
Speaker 6: is going south. But it was good.

2383
01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:13,960
Speaker 4: I just imagine how jarring it is for a fan

2384
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:15,519
Speaker 4: to go to a game, like maybe they've never been

2385
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:17,559
Speaker 4: to a hockey game, aren't even aware that that's fighting,

2386
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:19,240
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, just like never in

2387
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:22,160
Speaker 4: real life are you really around, just a fight breaking

2388
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:23,160
Speaker 4: out and it happens.

2389
01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:25,320
Speaker 2: I used to go to the cape Cod Cubs hockey

2390
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:28,400
Speaker 2: games at the cape Cod Coliseum. This is flights, and

2391
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:31,280
Speaker 2: there was a guy named Nick Fatile that at the

2392
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:33,439
Speaker 2: end of the second period they dimmed the lights, he'd

2393
01:44:33,439 --> 01:44:35,160
Speaker 2: pick a guy, they'd go to center rice and he

2394
01:44:35,200 --> 01:44:37,200
Speaker 2: beat the crap out of them, you know, And that

2395
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:38,320
Speaker 2: was like the main thing.

2396
01:44:38,439 --> 01:44:39,839
Speaker 5: That was like the main ticket.

2397
01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:43,160
Speaker 2: That's why we want to see Nick Fatile fight.

2398
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:45,519
Speaker 6: Like those ones. I just don't like that's like, I

2399
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:47,600
Speaker 6: don't think that hockey used to do that anymore. Like

2400
01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:49,920
Speaker 6: sometimes you're out of Bruin's game and all of a sudden,

2401
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:52,120
Speaker 6: randomly they'll just drop the gloves and like at the

2402
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:54,839
Speaker 6: other end of the ice, and you're just like what happened?

2403
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:57,080
Speaker 6: Like did someone do something? But like when it's like

2404
01:44:57,120 --> 01:44:59,519
Speaker 6: a star player is getting picked on or something, like,

2405
01:44:59,680 --> 01:45:01,360
Speaker 6: you got to have that one guy on the team

2406
01:45:01,400 --> 01:45:04,280
Speaker 6: that's gonna put an end to it. I'm for that.

2407
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:07,000
Speaker 4: And even still there are guys like Sam Bennett who

2408
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:09,800
Speaker 4: can play on that edge and never have to fight

2409
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:10,639
Speaker 4: and never have to fight.

2410
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:13,960
Speaker 5: That's why I think that guy needs to get right.

2411
01:45:15,080 --> 01:45:16,360
Speaker 6: The Bruins tried who was.

2412
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:20,920
Speaker 2: The guy from the Flyers back in the in the seventies,

2413
01:45:21,240 --> 01:45:21,439
Speaker 2: like the.

2414
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:24,760
Speaker 5: Bad No, No, he was the he was the orcer.

2415
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:27,599
Speaker 5: But the guy there was the jerk. He was a

2416
01:45:27,640 --> 01:45:30,479
Speaker 5: great goal scorer, car Bobby Clark.

2417
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:34,960
Speaker 2: Bobby Clark, he was such a you know, like he

2418
01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:37,719
Speaker 2: was a rat back in the day, and Dave Schultz

2419
01:45:37,720 --> 01:45:39,479
Speaker 2: would just stick up for him all the time and

2420
01:45:39,479 --> 01:45:40,880
Speaker 2: he'd get away with protection.

2421
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:46,479
Speaker 3: That's the like Charlestown Chiefs, the seventies Flyers, they didn't

2422
01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:47,360
Speaker 3: play hockey.

2423
01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:50,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, they they had a nickname, right, what was the nickname?

2424
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:54,559
Speaker 6: Broad Street Bully yet busy the Bruins tried to fight

2425
01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:56,840
Speaker 6: Sam Bennett. I mean the Panthers beat the crap out

2426
01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:59,840
Speaker 6: him every time they play. But Sam Bennett like did

2427
01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:02,519
Speaker 6: some in front of the net last year and he

2428
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:05,479
Speaker 6: didn't realize it was a door who was standing there,

2429
01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:08,120
Speaker 6: and so he thought it was it was somebody random

2430
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:11,000
Speaker 6: and it was a door off who's like Charisize, like

2431
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:13,439
Speaker 6: he's six eight, six' nine and it's a door off

2432
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:16,040
Speaker 6: just right hooked to the. Face And bennett just went

2433
01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:19,000
Speaker 6: down like a sack of. Potatoes And panthers probably won the,

2434
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:19,680
Speaker 6: game like five to.

2435
01:46:19,680 --> 01:46:21,960
Speaker 5: One we knocked them.

2436
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:24,479
Speaker 6: Out, yeah are you any more?

2437
01:46:24,520 --> 01:46:26,880
Speaker 5: Games uh, no not right.

2438
01:46:26,920 --> 01:46:32,200
Speaker 2: Now but But matt writes In going to The break On, Tuesday,

2439
01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:35,639
Speaker 2: Paul fred And evan were answering a question about if

2440
01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:37,800
Speaker 2: they could go to any sporting, event what would it.

2441
01:46:37,880 --> 01:46:41,080
Speaker 2: Be some Interesting wimbledon And World cup answers came from the,

2442
01:46:41,080 --> 01:46:44,759
Speaker 2: panel But paul sneaky hilarious mumble just before the break

2443
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:46,760
Speaker 2: WAS i wouldn't go to that if it was in my.

2444
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:50,960
Speaker 2: Backyard about the, world such An, american such an.

2445
01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:55,600
Speaker 5: Amazing Com what does the fact That I'm italian have

2446
01:46:55,640 --> 01:46:57,040
Speaker 5: to do. ANYTHING i don't like Soccer.

2447
01:46:57,120 --> 01:47:00,439
Speaker 6: Italy what do you MEAN i don't like?

2448
01:47:00,520 --> 01:47:03,599
Speaker 4: SOCCER i, know BUT i think if the opportunity presents

2449
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:05,960
Speaker 4: itself next summer to go to one of those, GAMES

2450
01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:07,000
Speaker 4: i probably.

2451
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:09,400
Speaker 6: Would take it just for The i'm not.

2452
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:13,320
Speaker 3: Exaggerating there's nothing they can unless they're they're putting an,

2453
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:16,800
Speaker 3: incentive financial incentive for me to be. There there's nothing

2454
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:18,320
Speaker 3: that they could not even IF.

2455
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:21,639
Speaker 2: I disagree with, You, Paul i've been to A World cup.

2456
01:47:21,680 --> 01:47:24,840
Speaker 2: Game it's, amazing it's, amazing but.

2457
01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:27,360
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be for. Me why BECAUSE i don't have any?

2458
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:29,880
Speaker 3: Interest what about the? Atmosphere it does nothing for.

2459
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:35,320
Speaker 6: Me if Like france And argentina are playing here and

2460
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:38,559
Speaker 6: you Have messy and like the best team in the

2461
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:42,000
Speaker 6: world In, france you have. None there's nothing about sports

2462
01:47:42,040 --> 01:47:44,439
Speaker 6: in general that attracts you to, That, like there's no

2463
01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:47,439
Speaker 6: there's no appeal to go see the greatest soccer player

2464
01:47:47,439 --> 01:47:49,519
Speaker 6: of all time against the best team in the. World

2465
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:52,960
Speaker 6: like that's not that's not appealing team like to. Me for, Me,

2466
01:47:53,320 --> 01:47:56,760
Speaker 6: no that's, crazy but it's it's like a moment.

2467
01:47:56,640 --> 01:47:59,160
Speaker 5: Like it's like it's but it's not a moment for.

2468
01:47:59,240 --> 01:48:01,320
Speaker 5: Me it's just, like you, KNOW i.

2469
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:04,240
Speaker 4: Onside of, him BUT i am very strongly like kind

2470
01:48:04,240 --> 01:48:06,240
Speaker 4: of Like, paul Like i'd be, cool but like after

2471
01:48:06,280 --> 01:48:07,760
Speaker 4: the first like ten, Minutes i'd probably be.

2472
01:48:07,720 --> 01:48:09,400
Speaker 3: LIKE i want To i'd want to be and you,

2473
01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:13,759
Speaker 3: know Like i'm like so deranged THAT i would actually

2474
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:17,000
Speaker 3: feel guilty that someone who would really appreciate this is

2475
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:18,519
Speaker 3: not getting the opportunity That i'm.

2476
01:48:18,520 --> 01:48:20,840
Speaker 5: Getting that's how WHACKED i.

2477
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:24,680
Speaker 6: AM i just like someone else should be, here AND

2478
01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:27,000
Speaker 6: i see like the history of, it like you don't

2479
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:29,439
Speaker 6: see the moment of something like.

2480
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:32,120
Speaker 5: THAT i don't have any interest in the. Moment but

2481
01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:33,559
Speaker 5: THAT'S i, mean that's kind of along WHAT i.

2482
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:35,719
Speaker 4: Did we had an opportunity to get tickets to The messy,

2483
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:37,640
Speaker 4: game and LIKE i don't have any, interest BUT i

2484
01:48:37,640 --> 01:48:40,440
Speaker 4: have a friend who's a humongous soccer, fan SO i.

2485
01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:40,680
Speaker 5: Gave them to.

2486
01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:44,360
Speaker 3: HER i gave to played four years of college soccer

2487
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:47,640
Speaker 3: at Stone. Hill you know his son plays now at

2488
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:48,559
Speaker 3: The DIVISION iii.

2489
01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:53,040
Speaker 4: Level they're, going you're saying less is different Than World.

2490
01:48:53,080 --> 01:48:56,040
Speaker 3: Cup they care, no but they but they care about

2491
01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:58,720
Speaker 3: SEEING messi WHEN i thought this all started with the

2492
01:48:58,720 --> 01:49:02,600
Speaker 3: greatest player of all. Time they care about seeing, MESSY i,

2493
01:49:02,680 --> 01:49:05,000
Speaker 3: don't SO i got them in the.

2494
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:06,880
Speaker 5: Ticket it's pretty cool watching him un full speed with the.

2495
01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:10,000
Speaker 5: Ball it's just like it's. Stuck he's. Unbelievable how does that?

2496
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:12,599
Speaker 5: Happen he's just so much better than everybody else.

2497
01:49:13,439 --> 01:49:17,080
Speaker 2: Watched brandon writes In what's?

2498
01:49:17,120 --> 01:49:17,519
Speaker 5: UP Pu?

2499
01:49:17,640 --> 01:49:19,840
Speaker 2: Crew or SHOULD i call You sunshine Dot? Com with

2500
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:23,679
Speaker 2: all this over the top, positivity that's. Fine it's time

2501
01:49:23,680 --> 01:49:26,559
Speaker 2: to be. Positive is the? Offseason since the majority of

2502
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:29,720
Speaker 2: The patriots nation believes this season should be a ten

2503
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:31,960
Speaker 2: win season or, Bust i'd like to do a thought

2504
01:49:32,040 --> 01:49:35,720
Speaker 2: experiment in the opposite. Direction what do you do if

2505
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:38,759
Speaker 2: You're Robert kraft and The patriots only win four games

2506
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:42,000
Speaker 2: again this? Season because the context, Matters i'll give you

2507
01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:45,439
Speaker 2: three ways the team gets to four. Wins scenario, One

2508
01:49:46,160 --> 01:49:49,800
Speaker 2: Drake may's play plateaus or regresses and the offense. Struggles,

2509
01:49:49,840 --> 01:49:53,600
Speaker 2: meanwhile the defense is middle of the road to. Elite scenario,

2510
01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:56,920
Speaker 2: Two Drake may takes a year two, leap but the

2511
01:49:56,960 --> 01:49:59,000
Speaker 2: rest of the team around him, struggles leading to A

2512
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:02,120
Speaker 2: Joe burrow Slash Drew brees esque season For.

2513
01:50:02,240 --> 01:50:04,960
Speaker 5: May Drew brees had some pretty good.

2514
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:09,120
Speaker 2: Seasons scenario, Three Drake may goes down early and is

2515
01:50:09,160 --> 01:50:11,439
Speaker 2: out for the season and the team cannot overcome.

2516
01:50:11,479 --> 01:50:14,560
Speaker 5: It that's the only one that would be, okay.

2517
01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:15,000
Speaker 6: That would be.

2518
01:50:15,040 --> 01:50:19,080
Speaker 5: Okay, no but you, know winning four games.

2519
01:50:19,240 --> 01:50:22,640
Speaker 3: Excuse the only one that would be an excuse is

2520
01:50:22,680 --> 01:50:23,880
Speaker 3: your quarterback got hurt.

2521
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:26,559
Speaker 6: Already Jason tatum is already out for the. Year can

2522
01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:27,920
Speaker 6: we just like one?

2523
01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:31,439
Speaker 2: Person, like, so the question is what do you do

2524
01:50:31,479 --> 01:50:33,320
Speaker 2: when these? Scenarios if You're Robert Drake.

2525
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:35,559
Speaker 3: May taking a step forward and only winning four, games

2526
01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:38,519
Speaker 3: don't see. It it's like really hard to imagine that

2527
01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:39,480
Speaker 3: would be, Bad.

2528
01:50:39,400 --> 01:50:41,760
Speaker 6: Like even The bengals to, one like we're one game

2529
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:43,840
Speaker 6: away from the. Playoffs last year they win nine? Games,

2530
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:45,519
Speaker 6: yeah when when when it doesn't come into?

2531
01:50:45,560 --> 01:50:47,400
Speaker 5: It Drew brees never had a season like.

2532
01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:50,600
Speaker 6: That you, KNOW i get what he's saying, about like the,

2533
01:50:50,640 --> 01:50:52,479
Speaker 6: stats like good, stats but bad.

2534
01:50:52,520 --> 01:50:55,120
Speaker 5: Team but maybe they missed the, playoffs but not four, wins.

2535
01:50:55,160 --> 01:50:57,640
Speaker 4: RIGHT i just no matter how it actually looks and

2536
01:50:57,640 --> 01:50:59,400
Speaker 4: how you get, there it's going to be so hard

2537
01:50:59,439 --> 01:51:00,519
Speaker 4: to blow it up.

2538
01:51:00,840 --> 01:51:01,880
Speaker 5: Again LIKE i JUST i.

2539
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:04,400
Speaker 3: Can't, Okay so that's why the first one is the worst.

2540
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:08,280
Speaker 3: One so let's take scenario no bottoms out and he.

2541
01:51:08,320 --> 01:51:10,599
Speaker 3: Ain't it's clear at the end of when we're doing

2542
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:12,320
Speaker 3: this show at this time next, year it's clear that

2543
01:51:12,439 --> 01:51:13,000
Speaker 3: may ain't.

2544
01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:14,120
Speaker 6: The guy we're talking, About Garrett.

2545
01:51:14,120 --> 01:51:17,519
Speaker 5: Nesmeier that's the. Worst now you're in first. Scenario now

2546
01:51:17,560 --> 01:51:22,640
Speaker 5: you're in. Trouble now you're really starting. Over, yeah, okay.

2547
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:26,240
Speaker 4: Because you're willing to maybe not, overlook but you're willing

2548
01:51:26,280 --> 01:51:29,160
Speaker 4: at least to pinch your nose and go forward with

2549
01:51:29,240 --> 01:51:32,160
Speaker 4: the weaponry around. Him but it depends on him taking

2550
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:33,600
Speaker 4: a step and then trying to make something of. It

2551
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:35,960
Speaker 4: and if he, doesn't then you're then you got. Nothing

2552
01:51:36,040 --> 01:51:37,040
Speaker 4: like anything else.

2553
01:51:36,840 --> 01:51:39,760
Speaker 3: Though all the free agency brought in that are now you're,

2554
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:41,720
Speaker 3: in so you didn't get that free agent bump and,

2555
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:42,439
Speaker 3: now but.

2556
01:51:42,439 --> 01:51:44,679
Speaker 2: Like anything, else the devil's in the, details like why

2557
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:46,880
Speaker 2: did he? Regress you, know like what's going on?

2558
01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:49,000
Speaker 4: Here and even like you, know even if you want

2559
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:51,200
Speaker 4: to play the game of pin it all On josh,

2560
01:51:51,320 --> 01:51:53,000
Speaker 4: McDaniels like, again.

2561
01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:54,640
Speaker 5: It's hard to, say like year, three we're going to

2562
01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:55,160
Speaker 5: have another.

2563
01:51:55,240 --> 01:51:58,639
Speaker 4: SYSTEM i, mean what he had junior, year senior, year

2564
01:51:58,920 --> 01:52:01,160
Speaker 4: first year, SET i, mean five systems in five.

2565
01:52:01,240 --> 01:52:04,479
Speaker 5: Years it's it's a really really hard. Sell and what scenario.

2566
01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:07,240
Speaker 2: Too it's hard for me to think that he takes

2567
01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:10,240
Speaker 2: a year two leap and they only win four games

2568
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:11,720
Speaker 2: unless the defense is just.

2569
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:15,000
Speaker 3: HARD i find it really really tough to buy that, too,

2570
01:52:15,200 --> 01:52:17,840
Speaker 3: right unless they've just fallen behind and he's getting.

2571
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:21,080
Speaker 5: A lot Of Reven Gardner chew's.

2572
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:23,759
Speaker 3: Stats, like so it looks like he's making a, leap

2573
01:52:24,520 --> 01:52:25,160
Speaker 3: but really he.

2574
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:26,760
Speaker 5: Didn't it just.

2575
01:52:26,760 --> 01:52:29,360
Speaker 4: Shows how much focus of the season is On Drake

2576
01:52:29,400 --> 01:52:31,960
Speaker 4: may and how much not only depends on, him but

2577
01:52:32,080 --> 01:52:36,000
Speaker 4: just maintaining belief amongst the fan base right, now because

2578
01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:39,120
Speaker 4: people are generally positive on. Him maybe some more than,

2579
01:52:39,120 --> 01:52:41,200
Speaker 4: others but generally you feel like you had a pretty

2580
01:52:41,200 --> 01:52:42,920
Speaker 4: good year and that there's a lot of tools to work.

2581
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:45,519
Speaker 4: With but even if he ends up just kind of being,

2582
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:48,840
Speaker 4: middling and like even that is it's gonna be hard

2583
01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:52,360
Speaker 4: to kind of navigate do we bring competition in for?

2584
01:52:52,439 --> 01:52:54,400
Speaker 4: Him like are we having that conversation in year?

2585
01:52:54,479 --> 01:52:57,639
Speaker 6: Three just, okay that's pretty premature to do that night.

2586
01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:00,439
Speaker 5: Three IT'S i, mean it's, hard it's hard it's nothing. Ideal,

2587
01:53:01,080 --> 01:53:04,280
Speaker 5: Yeah jared's In. Ohio, Hey, Jared.

2588
01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:07,320
Speaker 22: Hey what's GOING i gotta boone the pick with you.

2589
01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:12,559
Speaker 6: Guys oh, yeah, okay.

2590
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:13,240
Speaker 22: You guys have had On Tom. Douglas back In, march

2591
01:53:13,400 --> 01:53:15,720
Speaker 22: y'all had him on the, show and y'all was talking.

2592
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:17,280
Speaker 13: So positive and stuff and laughing in.

2593
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:20,200
Speaker 22: Space but, Y'all i've been listening to y'all in the

2594
01:53:20,200 --> 01:53:22,200
Speaker 22: past few, months and y'all down them. Thing he's not

2595
01:53:22,240 --> 01:53:22,519
Speaker 22: a good.

2596
01:53:22,520 --> 01:53:24,240
Speaker 13: Receiver he's not Gonna i'm.

2597
01:53:24,120 --> 01:53:25,400
Speaker 5: Not gonna make the. Team who said?

2598
01:53:25,439 --> 01:53:27,080
Speaker 22: THAT i didn't none of y'all say that the.

2599
01:53:27,080 --> 01:53:28,800
Speaker 5: Show we all said that he will make the.

2600
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:29,080
Speaker 11: Team.

2601
01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:32,880
Speaker 6: Yeah Greg bard says that he's not a lot to

2602
01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:34,960
Speaker 6: make the. Roster we, are but we are.

2603
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:37,240
Speaker 22: Not you, guys y'all didn't say none of. This a

2604
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:39,080
Speaker 22: couple of months back when he was he was on the.

2605
01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:39,920
Speaker 22: Show y'all didn't.

2606
01:53:39,720 --> 01:53:40,640
Speaker 11: Say anything negative to.

2607
01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:43,280
Speaker 6: Him y'all just speaking when not say anything negative about?

2608
01:53:43,320 --> 01:53:45,559
Speaker 2: Him, now, WELL i don't think he's a, lot BUT

2609
01:53:45,600 --> 01:53:46,120
Speaker 2: i like.

2610
01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:49,559
Speaker 5: Him he's a. Player Greg bard, Says i'm not a

2611
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:50,160
Speaker 5: lot to make the.

2612
01:53:50,240 --> 01:53:51,599
Speaker 6: Roster, okay he's not sitting.

2613
01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:55,760
Speaker 3: Here that's not That fred was reading a report off

2614
01:53:55,800 --> 01:53:58,439
Speaker 3: of one of our emails That Greg. Barnard they were

2615
01:53:58,439 --> 01:54:00,800
Speaker 3: listening to A Greg barnard. Podcast that's where they said it.

2616
01:54:00,760 --> 01:54:02,960
Speaker 5: Was one of the. Courts, actually caller brought it.

2617
01:54:03,040 --> 01:54:07,000
Speaker 3: Up we haven't said anything negative about To Mario, DOUGLAS.

2618
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:08,439
Speaker 22: I, know but y'all said he's not that he's got

2619
01:54:08,479 --> 01:54:09,559
Speaker 22: to find. Batter he's not a good.

2620
01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:10,519
Speaker 19: Receiver wife you.

2621
01:54:10,680 --> 01:54:13,160
Speaker 22: Know then when he was on the show and who.

2622
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:14,400
Speaker 5: Said he's not a good, RECEIVER i don't.

2623
01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:17,479
Speaker 22: KNOW i went back and listened to y'all CAN i

2624
01:54:17,560 --> 01:54:18,880
Speaker 22: CAN i? TALK i went back and listening to the

2625
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:20,840
Speaker 22: whole show where y'all had him on a couple months.

2626
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:22,720
Speaker 22: Ago y'all was sitting, out he's a good people in

2627
01:54:22,720 --> 01:54:25,200
Speaker 22: The danish game and all. That But i've been watching

2628
01:54:25,240 --> 01:54:26,760
Speaker 22: a lot of the shows and what. Not b y'all

2629
01:54:26,760 --> 01:54:28,240
Speaker 22: say he's like a number four.

2630
01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:30,880
Speaker 19: Receiver, okay, okay, yeah y'all.

2631
01:54:30,760 --> 01:54:32,200
Speaker 6: Should have Total, yeah that's not.

2632
01:54:32,240 --> 01:54:34,040
Speaker 5: Negative when he was on the, show, YEAH i, mean

2633
01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:35,920
Speaker 5: he's not a y'all.

2634
01:54:35,720 --> 01:54:37,520
Speaker 22: Should have brunet up a couple of months ago when

2635
01:54:37,520 --> 01:54:39,600
Speaker 22: he was on the. Show why y'all should have said?

2636
01:54:39,640 --> 01:54:43,000
Speaker 5: That, so why is it, Our but, No, jared we're

2637
01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:44,200
Speaker 5: not going to have a guest on the.

2638
01:54:44,200 --> 01:54:46,320
Speaker 6: Show DO i have to tell him where he fits

2639
01:54:46,360 --> 01:54:47,400
Speaker 6: in the hierarchy of the?

2640
01:54:47,400 --> 01:54:48,760
Speaker 5: Offense, right y'all.

2641
01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:50,320
Speaker 22: Was buttering y'all was buttering up and.

2642
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:53,120
Speaker 5: Buttering, well he's latter in his faith and. Stuff, well

2643
01:54:53,160 --> 01:54:55,000
Speaker 5: we'll bring nice to him or what's wrong with?

2644
01:54:55,080 --> 01:54:57,880
Speaker 22: That oh, so, y'all don't y'all don't be real.

2645
01:54:57,920 --> 01:55:00,280
Speaker 5: ANYMORE i would be nice to him right now he

2646
01:55:00,360 --> 01:55:00,600
Speaker 5: was on the.

2647
01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:02,560
Speaker 6: Show what is not real about where we?

2648
01:55:02,600 --> 01:55:05,960
Speaker 2: Think If martellus dial was on the, show i'd be

2649
01:55:06,040 --> 01:55:10,360
Speaker 2: nice to sell. Us marcellus, THOUGH i, mean, LIKE i

2650
01:55:10,360 --> 01:55:13,640
Speaker 2: think you're mixing up being nice to a guy with sitting.

2651
01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:16,760
Speaker 5: There and evaluating his. Ability oh now you're going to

2652
01:55:16,840 --> 01:55:18,560
Speaker 5: hang up even got under fred?

2653
01:55:18,640 --> 01:55:19,720
Speaker 3: Skin, no BUT i.

2654
01:55:19,640 --> 01:55:21,920
Speaker 2: THINK i think he's mixing up being nice to someone

2655
01:55:21,960 --> 01:55:24,120
Speaker 2: with sitting there in front of him and telling him

2656
01:55:24,280 --> 01:55:25,960
Speaker 2: your evaluation of him as a.

2657
01:55:25,960 --> 01:55:27,840
Speaker 5: Player you're not going to do. That not a, coach

2658
01:55:27,880 --> 01:55:29,040
Speaker 5: it's not my business to do.

2659
01:55:29,080 --> 01:55:30,920
Speaker 3: THAT i can tell you as an analyst WHAT i

2660
01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:33,240
Speaker 3: think about the team and the players and, Whatnot But

2661
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:35,360
Speaker 3: i'm not going to be disrespectful to a person that's

2662
01:55:35,360 --> 01:55:38,400
Speaker 3: not MY i, think, like, yeah that.

2663
01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:41,480
Speaker 6: So you're supposed to say to Tomorrow, Douglas, hey like

2664
01:55:41,560 --> 01:55:43,480
Speaker 6: there's some rumors out there that you might be, traded,

2665
01:55:43,600 --> 01:55:46,200
Speaker 6: RIGHT i guess we could. HAVE i don't.

2666
01:55:46,240 --> 01:55:49,360
Speaker 2: KNOW i, MEAN i don't. Know jared hung, up but,

2667
01:55:49,440 --> 01:55:50,280
Speaker 2: like what's the point of.

2668
01:55:50,320 --> 01:55:50,800
Speaker 5: THAT i don't.

2669
01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:52,520
Speaker 3: Know at the, GAME i think he's trying to get

2670
01:55:52,600 --> 01:55:55,000
Speaker 3: us in like a gotcha, moment like you guys are

2671
01:55:55,040 --> 01:55:57,400
Speaker 3: frauds because you didn't tell him that it's not a

2672
01:55:57,480 --> 01:55:59,280
Speaker 3: lock to make the team to The space.

2673
01:55:59,160 --> 01:56:01,080
Speaker 5: Right like why would we do? That? Why, like why

2674
01:56:01,120 --> 01:56:03,920
Speaker 5: would you say that to? Anybody i'm at a.

2675
01:56:03,960 --> 01:56:05,560
Speaker 4: LOSS i, MEAN i the only Thing i've said About

2676
01:56:05,560 --> 01:56:06,960
Speaker 4: Pop douglas AND i kind of think he is a

2677
01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:08,120
Speaker 4: log is THAT i thought he had a really good.

2678
01:56:08,120 --> 01:56:09,720
Speaker 4: SPRING i know we had questions how he's going to

2679
01:56:09,760 --> 01:56:12,760
Speaker 4: fit into this. System he was very active this. SPRING

2680
01:56:13,600 --> 01:56:14,760
Speaker 4: i don't know what else he's.

2681
01:56:14,760 --> 01:56:16,920
Speaker 6: Looking i've always been A pop. GUY i was pumped

2682
01:56:16,920 --> 01:56:20,080
Speaker 6: when they drafted, him Like i've Always i'm always honest with.

2683
01:56:20,160 --> 01:56:21,920
Speaker 3: You it's one of the reasons WHY i don't really

2684
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:27,640
Speaker 3: like player interviews because they're not, real they're not and that's,

2685
01:56:27,640 --> 01:56:30,520
Speaker 3: Why like it's just common. Courtesy you don't like bring

2686
01:56:30,560 --> 01:56:33,440
Speaker 3: a guy on your show so you can trash, him,

2687
01:56:33,720 --> 01:56:37,560
Speaker 3: right or So Greg bdard is going to sit there and, say, Hey,

2688
01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:40,040
Speaker 3: tomrio thanks for joining us. TODAY i don't think you're

2689
01:56:40,040 --> 01:56:42,320
Speaker 3: going to make the. Team, like why Would greg do?

2690
01:56:42,400 --> 01:56:43,000
Speaker 3: That that's not.

2691
01:56:43,560 --> 01:56:46,720
Speaker 2: Professional, Now, now if you're talking like with an established

2692
01:56:46,720 --> 01:56:52,600
Speaker 2: player and there's trade roomors circulating and he comes on

2693
01:56:53,880 --> 01:56:56,400
Speaker 2: and it's not a team, show it's it's right the.

2694
01:56:56,440 --> 01:57:01,360
Speaker 2: Regular you ask him how you react to the rumors

2695
01:57:01,400 --> 01:57:04,280
Speaker 2: about you possibly being. Traded you should be asking, that

2696
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:04,880
Speaker 2: but not.

2697
01:57:05,080 --> 01:57:06,040
Speaker 5: Us BUT i.

2698
01:57:06,040 --> 01:57:09,000
Speaker 3: Didn't we also didn't, say, well you're clearly the best

2699
01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:09,800
Speaker 3: receiver on the, Team.

2700
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:15,120
Speaker 6: Tomrio it's like we didn't do, that, right we're.

2701
01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:16,280
Speaker 5: Asking me questions about his off.

2702
01:57:16,280 --> 01:57:18,680
Speaker 4: Season of all the guys that accuse us of, FLAMING

2703
01:57:18,720 --> 01:57:21,000
Speaker 4: i don't REALLY i don't remember ever Flaming Tomorroo.

2704
01:57:21,080 --> 01:57:23,840
Speaker 5: Douglas but it's all. Good he's pretty upset about.

2705
01:57:23,840 --> 01:57:27,280
Speaker 3: IT i think he has a chance to be another

2706
01:57:27,320 --> 01:57:30,520
Speaker 3: one of these, productive high volume slot receivers That josh

2707
01:57:30,600 --> 01:57:31,360
Speaker 3: McDaniels has.

2708
01:57:31,520 --> 01:57:35,560
Speaker 5: LIKED i remember calling him to do. IT i remember

2709
01:57:35,600 --> 01:57:39,000
Speaker 5: calling him a weapon and being. MOCKED i didn't mock,

2710
01:57:39,080 --> 01:57:40,040
Speaker 5: you BUT i disagree with.

2711
01:57:40,120 --> 01:57:44,040
Speaker 6: You there's a difference between us giving our opinions as

2712
01:57:44,120 --> 01:57:46,640
Speaker 6: analysts on the show like we are doing right, now

2713
01:57:46,680 --> 01:57:49,560
Speaker 6: and having a guy in for a player interview and

2714
01:57:49,960 --> 01:57:52,480
Speaker 6: sitting him. Down it's not the point of the interview

2715
01:57:53,320 --> 01:57:55,560
Speaker 6: him about where he thinks he fits into the, hierarchy

2716
01:57:56,160 --> 01:57:56,440
Speaker 6: AND i just.

2717
01:57:56,440 --> 01:57:58,120
Speaker 5: Say, LIKE i don't get what he's, saying because there's

2718
01:57:58,120 --> 01:57:59,840
Speaker 5: Nothing i've said About Pop douglas on the show THAT

2719
01:57:59,840 --> 01:58:00,800
Speaker 5: i wouldn't have said to his.

2720
01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:03,600
Speaker 3: Face my biggest argument is that he claims that we

2721
01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:04,640
Speaker 3: were negative About.

2722
01:58:04,640 --> 01:58:06,320
Speaker 6: Douglas, NOW i don't think we have.

2723
01:58:06,440 --> 01:58:08,720
Speaker 3: BEEN i don't think we are, today and somebody we

2724
01:58:08,800 --> 01:58:10,920
Speaker 3: have been in the ensuing shows that we've had since

2725
01:58:10,920 --> 01:58:13,360
Speaker 3: he's been, on somebody had a. Report someone had a

2726
01:58:13,360 --> 01:58:15,800
Speaker 3: report that said that they don't think he's a lock

2727
01:58:15,880 --> 01:58:20,200
Speaker 3: to make the. Roster that's not. Negative there's competition among

2728
01:58:20,240 --> 01:58:20,920
Speaker 3: the wide receiver.

2729
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:23,240
Speaker 2: Room and if we said he was you, know we

2730
01:58:23,320 --> 01:58:25,280
Speaker 2: think he could be a good fourth, receiver.

2731
01:58:25,080 --> 01:58:25,879
Speaker 5: That's not negative.

2732
01:58:25,920 --> 01:58:26,160
Speaker 1: Either.

2733
01:58:26,240 --> 01:58:29,200
Speaker 2: No, right, well, listen but when he's sitting, here we're

2734
01:58:29,240 --> 01:58:30,800
Speaker 2: not going to, say you, know the, best we think

2735
01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:31,760
Speaker 2: you could be as a fourth.

2736
01:58:31,800 --> 01:58:32,840
Speaker 5: Receiver why would we do?

2737
01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:37,120
Speaker 6: THAT i think that he Was we tried to explain

2738
01:58:37,360 --> 01:58:41,440
Speaker 6: that that it was we're going off Of greg's reporting

2739
01:58:41,600 --> 01:58:43,320
Speaker 6: and not something that one of us. Said AND i

2740
01:58:43,320 --> 01:58:45,400
Speaker 6: don't think he was really comprehending That greg is not

2741
01:58:45,720 --> 01:58:48,840
Speaker 6: sitting here with us right, now. Right SO i think

2742
01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:49,720
Speaker 6: that's and they.

2743
01:58:49,600 --> 01:58:52,040
Speaker 2: Were comparing between him and Mac, hollis who's more of

2744
01:58:52,080 --> 01:58:53,200
Speaker 2: A Locke Hollins.

2745
01:58:53,400 --> 01:58:55,080
Speaker 5: HOLLINS i don't know why.

2746
01:58:56,400 --> 01:58:56,560
Speaker 19: Him.

2747
01:58:56,600 --> 01:58:59,640
Speaker 6: TOO i don't think he's ever shown any dynamic.

2748
01:58:59,640 --> 01:59:08,920
Speaker 2: Ability yeah To Mario, Douglas, yeah you're talking About pop, now.

2749
01:59:07,320 --> 01:59:08,520
Speaker 5: AND i would agree with.

2750
01:59:08,600 --> 01:59:10,800
Speaker 3: THAT i think, he's you, know sort of like one

2751
01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:14,080
Speaker 3: of those underneath guys THAT i think can be a

2752
01:59:14,120 --> 01:59:17,560
Speaker 3: bigger part if McDaniels likes. HIM i think he could

2753
01:59:17,600 --> 01:59:19,600
Speaker 3: be more of a high volume Like welker. Was but

2754
01:59:19,720 --> 01:59:22,920
Speaker 3: LIKE i wouldn't Say welker was like a dynamic downfield, receiver,

2755
01:59:23,360 --> 01:59:26,080
Speaker 3: no but he caught one hundred and twenty balls every, year.

2756
01:59:26,040 --> 01:59:28,680
Speaker 5: Right and the question is Like, pop can you could

2757
01:59:28,680 --> 01:59:29,160
Speaker 5: you hold up to?

2758
01:59:29,160 --> 01:59:29,960
Speaker 6: That but you do that.

2759
01:59:30,320 --> 01:59:33,600
Speaker 2: WELL i think McDaniels might be looking for the BANKY

2760
01:59:33,800 --> 01:59:35,880
Speaker 2: i don't Think pop is.

2761
01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:39,320
Speaker 5: A banky type. Guy well he might, be we'll. See,

2762
01:59:39,400 --> 01:59:40,480
Speaker 5: YEAH i don't, know you.

2763
01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:43,760
Speaker 23: KNOW i mean of all the receivers that we have

2764
01:59:43,840 --> 01:59:47,240
Speaker 23: talked about and analyzed, here of, everybody all of, them like,

2765
01:59:47,320 --> 01:59:49,680
Speaker 23: Tomorrow douglas is in like probably the top five of

2766
01:59:49,720 --> 01:59:51,920
Speaker 23: guys THAT i just think can contribute and have a

2767
01:59:52,000 --> 01:59:52,440
Speaker 23: role on this.

2768
01:59:52,520 --> 01:59:55,200
Speaker 5: Team and that's like high praise from my point of.

2769
01:59:55,240 --> 01:59:58,200
Speaker 5: View totally get What greg's, saying like this is suffered,

2770
01:59:58,200 --> 02:00:01,480
Speaker 5: debate but we've never that, guy and believe.

2771
02:00:01,280 --> 02:00:05,200
Speaker 3: Somebody that's my my number one problem with the assertion

2772
02:00:05,320 --> 02:00:07,040
Speaker 3: is that we were negative to. THEM i don't think

2773
02:00:07,080 --> 02:00:09,360
Speaker 3: we have, been AND i don't think we were in the.

2774
02:00:09,400 --> 02:00:14,120
Speaker 2: Past, meanwhile two emails before calling Us sunshine dot, com so.

2775
02:00:14,240 --> 02:00:16,320
Speaker 5: You know you mean you're probably doing something. Right you can't?

2776
02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:18,680
Speaker 2: Wait all, right that's going to be it for this

2777
02:00:18,840 --> 02:00:22,960
Speaker 2: edition of a fourth Of July Eve The Safe On. Show, yeah,

2778
02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:26,720
Speaker 2: everyone have a good time tomorrow eating your fourth And july.

2779
02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:29,000
Speaker 5: Food it's a great.

2780
02:00:28,760 --> 02:00:32,040
Speaker 2: Holiday have a good, weekend and we will see you Next.

2781
02:00:32,080 --> 02:00:36,240
Speaker 5: Tuesday, hey this is. Deuced thanks for.

2782
02:00:36,760 --> 02:00:38,600
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2783
02:00:38,640 --> 02:00:40,760
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2784
02:00:40,800 --> 02:00:43,440
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2785
02:00:43,480 --> 02:00:45,600
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2786
02:00:45,640 --> 02:00:47,520
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2787
02:00:47,680 --> 02:01:14,200
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