WEBVTT - What Went Wrong with RHONY Reboot? 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:03.960 Hey rain Drops. Yes, so I finally got merch. 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:09.559 That's right. You can buy your allegedly and my Voice mugs, 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:14.920 T shirts, rain Drops, hoodies and T shirts all on 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:18.400 Carlos Kingshop dot com. That's right. 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:21.320 Get your hoodies, your T shirts, and. 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:28.240 Your mugs all on Carlos Kingshop dot com. Welcome to 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:32.159 Reality to King. It's me Carlos Kings, the King of 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:35.600 Reality TV and one of the most sought after executive 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:41.000 producers in reality television with over ten years of production experience. 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:44.080 Twice a week on Reality with the Kings, we'll sit 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:47.919 down with my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:52.120 favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable moments that we are 0:00:52.159 --> 0:01:07.560 still talking and tweeting about. Hay rain Drops. Yes, I 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:11.839 don't sound like my chip herself because I'm not sure 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:23.840 if this episode deserves my wives, conness, my vibrancy, my charm, 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:29.840 and my wit. On today's episode of Reality with the King, 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:39.679 we have a funeral that is the death of Ronnie. 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:55.880 This reboot is a boot. I don't know what else 0:01:55.880 --> 0:02:04.040 to say besides listen to this episode because I had 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:07.520 to talk about this to someone who can bring back 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:12.400 the energy that you all are used to of Carlos King. 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:20.240 So I'm joined by Gibson John's who together we are 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:24.359 going to talk about what went wrong with the Ronnie reboot. 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:37.280 And before I played this episode, I just have to say, 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.799 you will never win in the game of reality television 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:46.040 when you hide your relationship and when you hide your 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:50.560 life to the audience. We don't get to see Jenna 0:02:50.560 --> 0:03:00.480 alliance fiance, we don't get to see UBA's boyfriend. That's 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:10.000 the kiss of death. But look, listen to Gibson John's 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:17.919 and I talk about what went wrong with the Rony reboot. Ladies, gentlemen, 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:24.040 and day here you go, hey, rain drops on today's 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:27.440 episode of Reality for the King. I am doing a 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:32.360 very special episode today. The guy who I'm talking to 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:37.680 is a friend to the show and he inspired today's 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:41.880 episode because I follow him on Twitter and I saw 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:45.760 a lot of posts about the recent episode of the 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:49.160 Real Housewives of New York City and I'm seeing all 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:53.760 of this backlash in regards to a prank. And because 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:57.200 I do not watch the show, I need to discuss 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:02.160 with Gibson John's spoiler alert as to why everybody is 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:07.960 saying this is what's wrong with this reboot? So ladies, gentlemen, 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:09.600 and they give it up for the one of the 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:13.240 only Gibson Johns. 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:12.800 What an intro. 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:15.720 You know, even though Twitter is a bit of a 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:20.200 dumpster fire these days, we're still we're still inspiring. 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:23.120 New episodes from it. No, I didn't. I forgot you 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:24.400 didn't watch the show. 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.000 Oh and so this is this is the best part, 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:31.200 Gibson John's. Let's have a real conversation. Yes, I watch 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.839 all of the episodes of the first season of the reboot, 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:39.599 in addition to the two part reunion, right, and my 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:44.479 rain drops know this. I was like, guys, this show 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.560 is not that bad. I'm enjoying it. I like the girls. 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:49.680 Boom boom boom. So I'm like, okay, fine, I like 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:54.160 the cast. Listen. I can critique stuff here and there, 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.480 but overall I was I was pleased. 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:56.800 Right. 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:02.080 Then comes the second season of this reboot, and after 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:04.719 watching fifteen minutes of it, I was like, I can't 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:10.200 it felt contrived and Gibson, this is the first episode 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:14.400 of the season two premiere, and my spidy senses within 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.680 fifteen minutes was like, this is not good. And I 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:21.400 was so disinterested that I stopped watching it, but what 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:25.480 is going on with this season? Because I did not 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:28.480 even want to prepare for this conversation I'm having with you, 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:32.040 because I said to myself, you know, because I'm a journalist, Hey, Portia, 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:37.800 and I'm like, let me watch the clips. I'm so disinterested. 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:40.120 I did not even watch the clips because I just 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:40.920 don't give a buck. 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:43.680 Yeah, I felt the same way about the first season 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:44.240 as you did. 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:45.800 I was like, this isn't perfect. 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:49.080 It's not it's not that good, but it has potential, 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.159 Like some of the casting is pretty good. Hopefully for 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.279 a second season, they come back, they fix some of 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:58.000 the issues and whatnot. They've gone backwards in the second 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.640 season and up till. 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:03.000 Now it hasn't been great. 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:04.800 But my biggest issue was just sort of like the 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.599 awareness of them being on camera and off camera, and 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:10.040 sort of they were just hyper aware of how they 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.920 were coming across from the show. And I think that's 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:15.599 that's kind of common for a second season Housewife, but 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.840 having a full having a full cast of that makes 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:22.720 it really hard to watch and they're just so they're 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:24.880 so obsessed with sort of like how it's all coming across. 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:28.839 But then this past episode, it just took it to 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.200 another level and people are aren't happy. 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:32.719 Do you want me to explain sort of the. 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:37.400 Plane everything to me and to the audience, because I'm 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.080 not sure even they're aware of how bad is becoming 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:42.440 happy to do it? And as you recap this most 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:48.640 recent episode, can you also include that there's been breadcrumbs 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:53.200 of fourth wall stuff happening and fake storylines? But but 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:54.560 go ahead, yeah. 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:57.440 Okay, So Rebecca Minkoff joined the show obviously for this season, 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:00.839 and she's a friend of She is an established back designer. 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:04.719 We know that she's a scientologist. And what's interesting, I 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:06.760 think is that she never really got a full intro. 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:08.520 She just sort of like showed up to a group 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.640 lunch on the first episode and it was like Rebecca Minkoff, 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:14.160 and it's like they're kind of assuming the audience like 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.119 knows exactly who she is and she's like this big 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:20.800 deal and she is a name brand in the fashion world, 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:22.600 but like you have to do the work to explain 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.200 that to the audience, right Like that that was sort 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:27.200 of the first sort of clue for me that the 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.680 Rebecca puzzle piece was just not ever going to really 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:34.960 fully work. Then she gets asked about scientology on the 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:37.760 helicopter ride to the Hamptons and brings like, what do 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:39.560 you want us to say to people who ask about it? 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:41.760 And she's like just She's like just say no comment, 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.760 and they're like okay, and they just kind of like 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:46.360 take that and they don't challenge her on it. So 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.160 that was another sort of thing that I've been watching, 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.720 is the scientology aspect. So then we get to and 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:53.840 she kind of has been she's been pretty boring this 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:55.560 whole time. She has not really brought anything to the 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:59.720 show this episode. Do you remember the clip of Cy 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.280 Jeff Lewis Live that went viral where she was It 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.680 was a hot mic where she says, or somebody asked her, 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:07.280 how has Rebecca mink Golf been on the show, and 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.360 she says she's been really boring. Well, this episode was 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:14.280 filmed around the time at that leaked, So we see 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:18.600 Rebecca and Aaron go to lunch and and you know, 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:22.360 we there, you know, Aaron's like, Brin's been talking about you. 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:26.440 She's been saying that, like, you know, yourself sold Nord 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:29.160 some rack, and she's been really shady. And then that 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:33.760 coupled with Cy calling her boring, I think sort of 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:37.119 inspired this whole prank that we saw play out. So essentially, 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.319 the beginning of the episode is, oh my god, Rebecca's pregnant. 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.319 Oh my god, Like it's it's getting around the group. Aaron, 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:48.040 she told, Aaron, who told who told Brynn and Jessel, 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.280 and then it's like four days later we see this 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:52.520 lunch and but we don't see them come up with 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:54.840 any sort of plan. So we we as an audience, 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:57.960 think that Rebecca might be pregnant. We think that this 0:08:58.120 --> 0:08:59.520 is like going to get around the group and it's 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:01.760 going to come to ahead at this end of the episode. 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:05.400 Event well, we get to the end of the episode, 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.840 event it, you know, Jenna tells Rebecca that she you know, 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:14.120 she's pregnant and all this stuff. Aaron pulls Rebecca aside 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:16.440 as she gets really upset and calls her out for 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.560 telling the rest of the group, and then Aarin was like, 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:24.600 that was good, that was good, and then it says 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:29.839 to be continued. So essentially the entire episode is us 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.240 as well as the other women, being made to think 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:35.840 that Rebecca has stepped out on her marriage gotten pregnant 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:40.080 by another guy via some like orgy situation or something. 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:43.600 It builds, it builds and builds, builds, but we don't 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.080 know that it's a prank. Aarin and Rebecca have come 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:48.920 up with this plan to basically prove that the other 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.959 women specifically bring our gossips, that they're going to spread 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:56.320 information even if it's sensitive, and that's it's to be continued. 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:58.120 So we don't really have the explanation of the prank 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.200 because we didn't see them come up with it. Yeah, 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:04.120 so were lent to believe at the end of the 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:07.760 episode that at that lunch that I alluded to, that 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:11.280 is when the plan was hatched to create this fake 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:15.000 pregnancy prank. But we haven't been We never saw that 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:16.599 as an audience or we're not going to see that 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:18.439 until next week probably, So. 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:20.079 Here we are. 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.520 We're not in on the joke. So we've also been 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:27.520 sort of pranked as viewers. And you know, obviously this 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:31.520 is coming after Rebecca really not bringing much to the show, 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:35.080 the other women being really aware of how things are 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:39.120 coming across and whatnot, and it just it adds to 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:42.599 the to the feeling that they don't really know what 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:44.600 they're doing with this show, you know what I mean, 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:46.760 It's not just anauthentic. In my mind, it's more like, 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.000 what are you trying to do here? You know, like, 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:51.360 this isn't I don't want to be pranked as an 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:53.600 audience member. It would have been maybe kind of fun 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:55.160 if they had let us in on the joke and 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:57.200 we saw all the other women sort of being like, 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.600 oh my god, she's pregnant and we knew that she wasn't. 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:03.920 But this was also something that was teased in the trailer. 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:07.000 It was there was this was splice and dice in 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:08.960 the in the in the season's trailer, it was like, 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.240 oh my god, wait, is Rebecca min Golf pregnant? Is 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:14.439 this about somebody else? Or no, it's just a fake 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.000 prank they came up with while filming. 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:21.960 This is horrible because listen, it's right. 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.920 I'm just gonna be very blunt. It's one thing to 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:29.240 prank your fellow cast members. I get a prank, but 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:33.840 but yeah, let's just say whatever that's the storyline. It's 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:37.800 one thing to prank your fellow cast members. The biggest 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.880 mistake to me is the audience is not in on 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.920 the joke, or in this case, in on the prank, 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:49.280 because as an audience, you're watching with your emotions on 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:54.160 the table, right, so to be emotionally unsatisfied at the end, 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:58.480 knowing that, wait, this is not real and we didn't 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.680 give a hits up. And the problem that I'm having 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:05.160 with that, Gibson is you ladies, haven't earned the right 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:08.600 to prank the audience. Yes, who do you think you are? 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:12.640 You're not Atlanta Housewives sixteen seasons in. You are not 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:18.840 oc You're not Beverly Hills. You're not even fucking Dubai 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:20.960 at this point right, which we'll talk about that later. 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:26.480 You guys have this very important position because at the 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:28.080 end of the day, the Real House Washs in New 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:33.240 York City was an iconic show that birth the greats 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:39.320 of Bethany, Derinda, Ramona, Luin, etc. Right, Sonya as well. 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:44.200 So there's a lot of way to carry and you, ladies, 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.680 not only did not understand the assignment, you failed it. 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:53.480 And it goes to show you that when it comes 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:56.720 to this cast and you're one thousand percent of by 0:12:56.800 --> 0:13:01.000 Gibson on any reality show, the second season and your 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:04.800 sophomore season is the most difficult because the ladies in 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.800 this case, in this day and age, they're reading the tweets. 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.640 They kind of see how they're being like in their words, 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.960 portrayed right, like, oh, I'm the villain, people hate me, 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:17.240 you know, and you sort of one or two things happen. 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:20.959 You sort of become a caricature of yourself to where 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:23.080 you behave in a way where you think the audience 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.760 wants you to behave. Right. So that's one end of it. 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:30.680 The other end of it is you are completely different 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:34.760 in your first season because you're playing it's safe, because 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:38.719 you are so villainized that you don't want to you 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:43.600 don't want to make any mistakes right. And it's interesting 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:45.800 because Gibson, I promise you, I caught them the first 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:50.240 fifteen minutes of the first episode of the second season 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:54.320 of this reboot, and I'm not into it, and I 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.319 want to get into this before I get into Jena Alliance. 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:01.839 I also read on Twitter a few weeks ago that 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:08.040 even Brin told another cast member, let's have a fake 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:11.440 fight about fashion on something. Can you explain that to us? Yeah? 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:15.040 So that was on the Hampton Strip at Aaron's house. 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:22.080 Brynn whispered to Rebecca she had she had back then 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:25.880 also shaded her fashion line. I believe it was, and 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:29.240 Rebecca just sort of took it or like didn't really 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.040 hit back in the way that maybe somebody who was 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:35.480 adept at Housewives would And Brin sort of whispered to 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.840 her at the breakfast table. She was like, no, Like 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:41.080 what you should say is like, well, you're selling sweatshirts 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:44.640 at Bravo con like like I'm I'm sold like across 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:47.800 the world. Like that's and they they kept that in 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:51.480 the episode. They showed her sort of coaching her at 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:55.560 the breakfast table. And you know, Brings one of those 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:58.080 people who I think had a pretty good first season. 0:14:58.160 --> 0:14:59.400 She showed like a lot, she had a lot of 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.000 star power, and she was I think she brought some 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:05.960 interesting storyline to it and backstory. But this season she's 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.480 just completely It was the first thing you said, which 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:10.320 was she sort of leaned into the caricature of it. 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:13.880 Like everything she says is like very like sexed up 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:17.480 and very kind of vixeny, and like just she's playing 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:20.280 that character kind of at all times, and she's she's. 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:22.440 Flirting with Jenna Alliance like like like. 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:23.160 All the time. 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.520 Jenna Alliance, the New the New One, Roquelle, who was 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:31.240 also a lesbian Aaron's dad always in confessionals, it's like 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:34.400 always happening kind of and it's just sort of like, yeah, 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:36.160 in bits and pieces, that was kind of fun in 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:39.560 the first season, but it's still happening at all times 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.560 on the second season. Jeff Lewis even called it out 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.280 on Watch Reppins Live. He was like, enough, it's like 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:47.360 if I was Jenna's partner, I'd be fucking annoyed. 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:50.440 Yeah. And the thing is, it's sort of it's like 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:51.960 curbaiting a little bit. 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:53.280 It's like I see that. 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:54.840 Do you know what I mean? Because the thing is 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:59.000 this as the upply gay man, I'm not going to 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:03.160 constantly well number one, I don't float with straight men, right, 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:08.280 I listen, this is my opinion. I think it crosses 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:10.760 the line, and I think it's disrespectful, you know, I. 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:11.360 Think I think. 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:13.040 I think in bits and pieces it can be kind 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:14.520 of fun, like if you're at a party and it's 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:17.200 just sort of like oh yeah, but it's it happens 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:17.680 a lot. 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.720 Yeah, and listen if okay, I'll give a good example. 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:22.920 If one of my best female friends has a husband 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:24.640 who's like coolest shit, and I'm like, oh my god, 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:28.400 you're gorgeous. That's one thing I'm not. But but I'm 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:34.080 the way brand flirts with Jenna and women. It's close proximity, 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:38.040 you know. It's like the Beyonce Kittie Cat song. She's purrying. 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:40.120 It's like a me a like, hey, you want to 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:41.040 go out bath like that? 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:42.360 Yeah, like that kind of stuff. 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:45.080 Like I'm not doing that to a straight guy. I like, 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:48.320 I'll compliment you, right, but I'm not going to like 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:53.280 invade your personal space. So that's that's that. But the 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:56.560 bigger thing to me, though, Gibson, it sounds to me 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:02.120 like production is sabotaging this show because to show the 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:06.200 whispers of no, you should have, like, you know, argue 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:07.960 back with me, you should have let me have it 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:12.040 or whatever. And then to to show that this was 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:15.200 a prank with Rebecca and Aaron, you know that they 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.600 set up and the audience finds that at the end. 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:21.439 Those are two things that as the production company and 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:26.160 a producer, I wouldn't do because I just I would 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:28.920 never give my audience that much intail in terms of 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:29.399 how fake it. 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:31.520 That was sort of my question for you, Carlos, is 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:33.440 because like I think a lot of people, I think 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.240 up until now, a lot of the blame has just 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.800 been put kind of squarely on the women and the cast, 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:41.440 which I think they bear the brunt of I think 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:43.240 a lot of a lot of this and why the 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:46.000 show is just not working. But I think after this 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:49.359 episode people have sort of shifted some of the blame 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:53.760 to production, because again, if this, if this episode had 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:55.959 been represented of like, Okay, we start with the Rebecca 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.440 and Aaron lunch and it's like Rebecca is fed up 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:02.480 with being you know, shaded, and they want to prove 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:04.920 that brain will just like repeat anything. And then they 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.239 show us that they come up with this plan and 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.520 the rest of the forty minutes of the episode is, 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:12.480 oh my god, Brin's freaking out about it, Jessel's freaking 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:14.720 out about its, Ie freaking out about it. They're gossiping 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:16.840 about it for thirty minutes, and then at the end 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:18.959 we get the big review we show we see their 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:21.520 reaction and it's built up for us because we know 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:25.080 it's fake. That would be I wouldn't really like that, 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:28.520 but at least it doesn't feel like we're again they're 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:30.520 pulling a fast one on us as well. Yeah, and 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:32.720 like playing with our emotions and so a lot of 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:35.000 people I think just had an issue also, just like 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:37.840 the way that it was edited together and put together, 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:43.239 and they're blaming production because they don't really know. They 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:45.200 think they don't really know what show they're making, Like 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:46.000 do you like is it? 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:46.920 I don't know? 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:49.480 Yes, I don't know. Yes, this is not keeping up 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:53.399 with the Kardashians Une where it's not Chris, you know 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.720 what I mean, Chris like making the fake art or whatever. Yeah, 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:00.920 you know, like like early days of the Card on E. 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:04.480 I'm very I'm gonna be very Gibson knows what I'm doing. 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:08.440 I'm very different because it's a different show. On E 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:11.720 they play into the pranks, you know, t ping Chris 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:14.080 is how like you said, the fake are like it 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:17.520 was part like Chloe and the girls stick right and 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:20.280 we but we will always we always knew about it. 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:24.159 We always knew about it as the audience. Let's have 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:27.280 a real conversation, Gibson. I'm not watching Housewives to see 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:31.520 a prank me. I'm not listen. I want to see 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.520 personal story. I want to see these real women have 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:37.639 real conversations about what's going on in their lives, in 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:41.080 their friendships, in they're in a circle. I don't care 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:45.200 to see a prank the old New York Housewives. And 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:47.160 this is why I'm gonna give the production a little 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:50.320 bit of grace. Right again, Carlos King would have never 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:54.080 done that. And even if I was told by higher up, 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:58.719 so whatever the powers that be, I would have fought strongly. Like, guys, 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:02.440 this is not the way to go because the audience 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:05.560 doesn't know them yet and they haven't earned their trust. 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:08.040 And there and we already don't love the show. 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:11.440 Like it's like so it's like, that's not if you 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:13.000 want to rope us in and like try to get 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:14.600 us hooked on the show, this is not the way 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:14.920 to do it. 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:31.800 Yes, not exactly, child. We are just getting started. This 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:35.240 is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:40.119 get back into the show. So let me give the 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:43.240 production a little bit of grace, right, Okay. One thing 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.800 we do know about Old Roney, right, the the the 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:50.879 ogs and the icon the iconic legends that they are 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:56.120 is the fact that they were funny and we play 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:59.760 they played, They played up the comedy of their situations right, 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:05.000 and a very comedic way. It was like seven Lucille 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:07.359 balls that made up the New York Housewise right. 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:08.560 Total like they were. 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:14.399 And I'm a going records for saying this. The New 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:18.480 York City Housewives were always the most comedic franchise, right. 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:26.080 They were known for their comedy. So perhaps perhaps that 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:30.919 the production felt like, what's the twenty twenty four version 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:37.919 of these rony ladies? And unfortunately this isn't it because 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:41.240 at least I'm gonna say that none of these girls 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:45.000 put together can hold the cancel to Ramona Singer, to 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:46.000 Bethany Frankel. 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:51.639 So this cast, to me, isn't funny. I don't find no, I. 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:58.520 Never last well, I never do. I don't Carlos, I don't. 0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:02.840 Give said the black just so you know you make 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:10.359 me laugh, Okay, comedy somewhere, Yes, they're not funny. Comedians 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:17.000 were not cast to be on this show. I have 0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:23.680 to say this. This was a mistake. This was a 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:30.600 mistake to reboot an iconic franchise, and I understand the 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:34.320 reasoning behind it. And we don't have to get into 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:36.520 all of that because that's a whole nother podcast episode. 0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:41.480 It's the political. Yeah, so we already talked about the 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:44.320 political nature of why that happened. And let's be clear 0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:49.439 that's that's that's what it is. If that's the case, fine, 0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:54.800 who am I to like whatever? Cast women that not 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:58.800 only represent New York City but who are funny. It's 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:01.040 sort of like the and we're gonna see what happens 0:23:01.080 --> 0:23:05.960 with Atlanta Housewives when it comes back next year. Atlanta Housewives. 0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:12.200 They're known to be the shadiest girls who can read 0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:17.080 each other up and down the sidewalk right shock. The 0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:21.600 Atlanta girls are pros at at shade messy shock value, 0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:25.919 like they're they're they're funny, but attas they'll always make 0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:28.760 us laugh. They will yeah yeah without trying hard, and 0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:33.040 and and the difference is this, Ronie, they were funny in. 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:33.720 A very. 0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:42.359 Yeah yeah exactly exactly, whereas Atlanta is shady. It's like 0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:46.040 where Kenya and Porsche read each other needy Kimisch like 0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:50.840 it's hilarious without intending to be hilarious. So it's sort 0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:53.480 of like they have, like I think, four new women 0:23:53.880 --> 0:23:56.760 on this upcoming season. Those four new women have to 0:23:56.840 --> 0:24:01.119