1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Hey rain Drops. Yes, so I finally got merch. 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 2: That's right. You can buy your allegedly and my Voice mugs, 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: T shirts, rain Drops, hoodies and T shirts all on 4 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: Carlos Kingshop dot com. That's right. 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: Get your hoodies, your T shirts, and. 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 2: Your mugs all on Carlos Kingshop dot com. Welcome to 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 2: Reality to King. It's me Carlos Kings, the King of 8 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 2: Reality TV and one of the most sought after executive 9 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 2: producers in reality television with over ten years of production experience. 10 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 2: Twice a week on Reality with the Kings, we'll sit 11 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 2: down with my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our 12 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable moments that we are 13 00:00:52,159 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: still talking and tweeting about. Hay rain Drops. Yes, I 14 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 2: don't sound like my chip herself because I'm not sure 15 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: if this episode deserves my wives, conness, my vibrancy, my charm, 16 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 2: and my wit. On today's episode of Reality with the King, 17 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 2: we have a funeral that is the death of Ronnie. 18 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: This reboot is a boot. I don't know what else 19 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: to say besides listen to this episode because I had 20 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 2: to talk about this to someone who can bring back 21 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: the energy that you all are used to of Carlos King. 22 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 2: So I'm joined by Gibson John's who together we are 23 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 2: going to talk about what went wrong with the Ronnie reboot. 24 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: And before I played this episode, I just have to say, 25 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 2: you will never win in the game of reality television 26 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: when you hide your relationship and when you hide your 27 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: life to the audience. We don't get to see Jenna 28 00:02:50,560 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: alliance fiance, we don't get to see UBA's boyfriend. That's 29 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: the kiss of death. But look, listen to Gibson John's 30 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 2: and I talk about what went wrong with the Rony reboot. Ladies, gentlemen, 31 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: and day here you go, hey, rain drops on today's 32 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: episode of Reality for the King. I am doing a 33 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 2: very special episode today. The guy who I'm talking to 34 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: is a friend to the show and he inspired today's 35 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: episode because I follow him on Twitter and I saw 36 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: a lot of posts about the recent episode of the 37 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: Real Housewives of New York City and I'm seeing all 38 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: of this backlash in regards to a prank. And because 39 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: I do not watch the show, I need to discuss 40 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: with Gibson John's spoiler alert as to why everybody is 41 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: saying this is what's wrong with this reboot? So ladies, gentlemen, 42 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 2: and they give it up for the one of the 43 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: only Gibson Johns. 44 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 3: What an intro. 45 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 4: You know, even though Twitter is a bit of a 46 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 4: dumpster fire these days, we're still we're still inspiring. 47 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 3: New episodes from it. No, I didn't. I forgot you 48 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 3: didn't watch the show. 49 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: Oh and so this is this is the best part, 50 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: Gibson John's. Let's have a real conversation. Yes, I watch 51 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 2: all of the episodes of the first season of the reboot, 52 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 2: in addition to the two part reunion, right, and my 53 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 2: rain drops know this. I was like, guys, this show 54 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: is not that bad. I'm enjoying it. I like the girls. 55 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 2: Boom boom boom. So I'm like, okay, fine, I like 56 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 2: the cast. Listen. I can critique stuff here and there, 57 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 2: but overall I was I was pleased. 58 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 4: Right. 59 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: Then comes the second season of this reboot, and after 60 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 2: watching fifteen minutes of it, I was like, I can't 61 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: it felt contrived and Gibson, this is the first episode 62 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 2: of the season two premiere, and my spidy senses within 63 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 2: fifteen minutes was like, this is not good. And I 64 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: was so disinterested that I stopped watching it, but what 65 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 2: is going on with this season? Because I did not 66 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 2: even want to prepare for this conversation I'm having with you, 67 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 2: because I said to myself, you know, because I'm a journalist, Hey, Portia, 68 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 2: and I'm like, let me watch the clips. I'm so disinterested. 69 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: I did not even watch the clips because I just 70 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 2: don't give a buck. 71 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, I felt the same way about the first season 72 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 4: as you did. 73 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 3: I was like, this isn't perfect. 74 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 4: It's not it's not that good, but it has potential, 75 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 4: Like some of the casting is pretty good. Hopefully for 76 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 4: a second season, they come back, they fix some of 77 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 4: the issues and whatnot. They've gone backwards in the second 78 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 4: season and up till. 79 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 3: Now it hasn't been great. 80 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 4: But my biggest issue was just sort of like the 81 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 4: awareness of them being on camera and off camera, and 82 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 4: sort of they were just hyper aware of how they 83 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 4: were coming across from the show. And I think that's 84 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 4: that's kind of common for a second season Housewife, but 85 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 4: having a full having a full cast of that makes 86 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 4: it really hard to watch and they're just so they're 87 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 4: so obsessed with sort of like how it's all coming across. 88 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 4: But then this past episode, it just took it to 89 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 4: another level and people are aren't happy. 90 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 3: Do you want me to explain sort of the. 91 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: Plane everything to me and to the audience, because I'm 92 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 2: not sure even they're aware of how bad is becoming 93 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: happy to do it? And as you recap this most 94 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: recent episode, can you also include that there's been breadcrumbs 95 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: of fourth wall stuff happening and fake storylines? But but 96 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: go ahead, yeah. 97 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 4: Okay, So Rebecca Minkoff joined the show obviously for this season, 98 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 4: and she's a friend of She is an established back designer. 99 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 4: We know that she's a scientologist. And what's interesting, I 100 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 4: think is that she never really got a full intro. 101 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 4: She just sort of like showed up to a group 102 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 4: lunch on the first episode and it was like Rebecca Minkoff, 103 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 4: and it's like they're kind of assuming the audience like 104 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,119 Speaker 4: knows exactly who she is and she's like this big 105 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 4: deal and she is a name brand in the fashion world, 106 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 4: but like you have to do the work to explain 107 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 4: that to the audience, right Like that that was sort 108 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 4: of the first sort of clue for me that the 109 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 4: Rebecca puzzle piece was just not ever going to really 110 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 4: fully work. Then she gets asked about scientology on the 111 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 4: helicopter ride to the Hamptons and brings like, what do 112 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 4: you want us to say to people who ask about it? 113 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 4: And she's like just She's like just say no comment, 114 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 4: and they're like okay, and they just kind of like 115 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 4: take that and they don't challenge her on it. So 116 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 4: that was another sort of thing that I've been watching, 117 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 4: is the scientology aspect. So then we get to and 118 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 4: she kind of has been she's been pretty boring this 119 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 4: whole time. She has not really brought anything to the 120 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 4: show this episode. Do you remember the clip of Cy 121 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 4: Jeff Lewis Live that went viral where she was It 122 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 4: was a hot mic where she says, or somebody asked her, 123 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 4: how has Rebecca mink Golf been on the show, and 124 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 4: she says she's been really boring. Well, this episode was 125 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 4: filmed around the time at that leaked, So we see 126 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 4: Rebecca and Aaron go to lunch and and you know, 127 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 4: we there, you know, Aaron's like, Brin's been talking about you. 128 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 4: She's been saying that, like, you know, yourself sold Nord 129 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 4: some rack, and she's been really shady. And then that 130 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 4: coupled with Cy calling her boring, I think sort of 131 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,119 Speaker 4: inspired this whole prank that we saw play out. So essentially, 132 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 4: the beginning of the episode is, oh my god, Rebecca's pregnant. 133 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 4: Oh my god, Like it's it's getting around the group. Aaron, 134 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 4: she told, Aaron, who told who told Brynn and Jessel, 135 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 4: and then it's like four days later we see this 136 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 4: lunch and but we don't see them come up with 137 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 4: any sort of plan. So we we as an audience, 138 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 4: think that Rebecca might be pregnant. We think that this 139 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 4: is like going to get around the group and it's 140 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 4: going to come to ahead at this end of the episode. 141 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 4: Event well, we get to the end of the episode, 142 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 4: event it, you know, Jenna tells Rebecca that she you know, 143 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 4: she's pregnant and all this stuff. Aaron pulls Rebecca aside 144 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 4: as she gets really upset and calls her out for 145 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 4: telling the rest of the group, and then Aarin was like, 146 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 4: that was good, that was good, and then it says 147 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 4: to be continued. So essentially the entire episode is us 148 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 4: as well as the other women, being made to think 149 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 4: that Rebecca has stepped out on her marriage gotten pregnant 150 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 4: by another guy via some like orgy situation or something. 151 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 4: It builds, it builds and builds, builds, but we don't 152 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 4: know that it's a prank. Aarin and Rebecca have come 153 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 4: up with this plan to basically prove that the other 154 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 4: women specifically bring our gossips, that they're going to spread 155 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 4: information even if it's sensitive, and that's it's to be continued. 156 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 4: So we don't really have the explanation of the prank 157 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 4: because we didn't see them come up with it. Yeah, 158 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 4: so were lent to believe at the end of the 159 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 4: episode that at that lunch that I alluded to, that 160 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 4: is when the plan was hatched to create this fake 161 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 4: pregnancy prank. But we haven't been We never saw that 162 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,599 Speaker 4: as an audience or we're not going to see that 163 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 4: until next week probably, So. 164 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 3: Here we are. 165 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 4: We're not in on the joke. So we've also been 166 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 4: sort of pranked as viewers. And you know, obviously this 167 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 4: is coming after Rebecca really not bringing much to the show, 168 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 4: the other women being really aware of how things are 169 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 4: coming across and whatnot, and it just it adds to 170 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,599 Speaker 4: the to the feeling that they don't really know what 171 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 4: they're doing with this show, you know what I mean, 172 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 4: It's not just anauthentic. In my mind, it's more like, 173 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 4: what are you trying to do here? You know, like, 174 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 4: this isn't I don't want to be pranked as an 175 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 4: audience member. It would have been maybe kind of fun 176 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 4: if they had let us in on the joke and 177 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 4: we saw all the other women sort of being like, 178 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 4: oh my god, she's pregnant and we knew that she wasn't. 179 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 3: But this was also something that was teased in the trailer. 180 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 4: It was there was this was splice and dice in 181 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 4: the in the in the season's trailer, it was like, 182 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 4: oh my god, wait, is Rebecca min Golf pregnant? Is 183 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 4: this about somebody else? Or no, it's just a fake 184 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 4: prank they came up with while filming. 185 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: This is horrible because listen, it's right. 186 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna be very blunt. It's one thing to 187 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 2: prank your fellow cast members. I get a prank, but 188 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 2: but yeah, let's just say whatever that's the storyline. It's 189 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 2: one thing to prank your fellow cast members. The biggest 190 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 2: mistake to me is the audience is not in on 191 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 2: the joke, or in this case, in on the prank, 192 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: because as an audience, you're watching with your emotions on 193 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 2: the table, right, so to be emotionally unsatisfied at the end, 194 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 2: knowing that, wait, this is not real and we didn't 195 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 2: give a hits up. And the problem that I'm having 196 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: with that, Gibson is you ladies, haven't earned the right 197 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 2: to prank the audience. Yes, who do you think you are? 198 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 2: You're not Atlanta Housewives sixteen seasons in. You are not 199 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 2: oc You're not Beverly Hills. You're not even fucking Dubai 200 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 2: at this point right, which we'll talk about that later. 201 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: You guys have this very important position because at the 202 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 2: end of the day, the Real House Washs in New 203 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 2: York City was an iconic show that birth the greats 204 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 2: of Bethany, Derinda, Ramona, Luin, etc. Right, Sonya as well. 205 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of way to carry and you, ladies, 206 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 2: not only did not understand the assignment, you failed it. 207 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 2: And it goes to show you that when it comes 208 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 2: to this cast and you're one thousand percent of by 209 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: Gibson on any reality show, the second season and your 210 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 2: sophomore season is the most difficult because the ladies in 211 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: this case, in this day and age, they're reading the tweets. 212 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 2: They kind of see how they're being like in their words, 213 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 2: portrayed right, like, oh, I'm the villain, people hate me, 214 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 2: you know, and you sort of one or two things happen. 215 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 2: You sort of become a caricature of yourself to where 216 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 2: you behave in a way where you think the audience 217 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: wants you to behave. Right. So that's one end of it. 218 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 2: The other end of it is you are completely different 219 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 2: in your first season because you're playing it's safe, because 220 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,719 Speaker 2: you are so villainized that you don't want to you 221 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 2: don't want to make any mistakes right. And it's interesting 222 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 2: because Gibson, I promise you, I caught them the first 223 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: fifteen minutes of the first episode of the second season 224 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 2: of this reboot, and I'm not into it, and I 225 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 2: want to get into this before I get into Jena Alliance. 226 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 2: I also read on Twitter a few weeks ago that 227 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 2: even Brin told another cast member, let's have a fake 228 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 2: fight about fashion on something. Can you explain that to us? Yeah? 229 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 4: So that was on the Hampton Strip at Aaron's house. 230 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 4: Brynn whispered to Rebecca she had she had back then 231 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 4: also shaded her fashion line. I believe it was, and 232 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 4: Rebecca just sort of took it or like didn't really 233 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 4: hit back in the way that maybe somebody who was 234 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 4: adept at Housewives would And Brin sort of whispered to 235 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 4: her at the breakfast table. She was like, no, Like 236 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 4: what you should say is like, well, you're selling sweatshirts 237 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 4: at Bravo con like like I'm I'm sold like across 238 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 4: the world. Like that's and they they kept that in 239 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 4: the episode. They showed her sort of coaching her at 240 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 4: the breakfast table. And you know, Brings one of those 241 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 4: people who I think had a pretty good first season. 242 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 4: She showed like a lot, she had a lot of 243 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 4: star power, and she was I think she brought some 244 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 4: interesting storyline to it and backstory. But this season she's 245 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 4: just completely It was the first thing you said, which 246 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 4: was she sort of leaned into the caricature of it. 247 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 4: Like everything she says is like very like sexed up 248 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 4: and very kind of vixeny, and like just she's playing 249 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 4: that character kind of at all times, and she's she's. 250 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 2: Flirting with Jenna Alliance like like like. 251 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 3: All the time. 252 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 4: Jenna Alliance, the New the New One, Roquelle, who was 253 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 4: also a lesbian Aaron's dad always in confessionals, it's like 254 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 4: always happening kind of and it's just sort of like, yeah, 255 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 4: in bits and pieces, that was kind of fun in 256 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 4: the first season, but it's still happening at all times 257 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 4: on the second season. Jeff Lewis even called it out 258 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 4: on Watch Reppins Live. He was like, enough, it's like 259 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 4: if I was Jenna's partner, I'd be fucking annoyed. 260 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. And the thing is, it's sort of it's like 261 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 2: curbaiting a little bit. 262 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 3: It's like I see that. 263 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Because the thing is 264 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 2: this as the upply gay man, I'm not going to 265 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: constantly well number one, I don't float with straight men, right, 266 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 2: I listen, this is my opinion. I think it crosses 267 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 2: the line, and I think it's disrespectful, you know, I. 268 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 3: Think I think. 269 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 4: I think in bits and pieces it can be kind 270 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 4: of fun, like if you're at a party and it's 271 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 4: just sort of like oh yeah, but it's it happens 272 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 4: a lot. 273 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and listen if okay, I'll give a good example. 274 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: If one of my best female friends has a husband 275 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: who's like coolest shit, and I'm like, oh my god, 276 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 2: you're gorgeous. That's one thing I'm not. But but I'm 277 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 2: the way brand flirts with Jenna and women. It's close proximity, 278 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: you know. It's like the Beyonce Kittie Cat song. She's purrying. 279 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: It's like a me a like, hey, you want to 280 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: go out bath like that? 281 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, like that kind of stuff. 282 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 2: Like I'm not doing that to a straight guy. I like, 283 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: I'll compliment you, right, but I'm not going to like 284 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 2: invade your personal space. So that's that's that. But the 285 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: bigger thing to me, though, Gibson, it sounds to me 286 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: like production is sabotaging this show because to show the 287 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 2: whispers of no, you should have, like, you know, argue 288 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 2: back with me, you should have let me have it 289 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 2: or whatever. And then to to show that this was 290 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 2: a prank with Rebecca and Aaron, you know that they 291 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 2: set up and the audience finds that at the end. 292 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 2: Those are two things that as the production company and 293 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 2: a producer, I wouldn't do because I just I would 294 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 2: never give my audience that much intail in terms of 295 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 2: how fake it. 296 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 4: That was sort of my question for you, Carlos, is 297 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 4: because like I think a lot of people, I think 298 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 4: up until now, a lot of the blame has just 299 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 4: been put kind of squarely on the women and the cast, 300 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 4: which I think they bear the brunt of I think 301 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of this and why the 302 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 4: show is just not working. But I think after this 303 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 4: episode people have sort of shifted some of the blame 304 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 4: to production, because again, if this, if this episode had 305 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,959 Speaker 4: been represented of like, Okay, we start with the Rebecca 306 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 4: and Aaron lunch and it's like Rebecca is fed up 307 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 4: with being you know, shaded, and they want to prove 308 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 4: that brain will just like repeat anything. And then they 309 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,239 Speaker 4: show us that they come up with this plan and 310 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 4: the rest of the forty minutes of the episode is, 311 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 4: oh my god, Brin's freaking out about it, Jessel's freaking 312 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 4: out about its, Ie freaking out about it. They're gossiping 313 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 4: about it for thirty minutes, and then at the end 314 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:18,959 Speaker 4: we get the big review we show we see their 315 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 4: reaction and it's built up for us because we know 316 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 4: it's fake. That would be I wouldn't really like that, 317 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 4: but at least it doesn't feel like we're again they're 318 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 4: pulling a fast one on us as well. Yeah, and 319 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 4: like playing with our emotions and so a lot of 320 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 4: people I think just had an issue also, just like 321 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 4: the way that it was edited together and put together, 322 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,239 Speaker 4: and they're blaming production because they don't really know. They 323 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 4: think they don't really know what show they're making, Like 324 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 4: do you like is it? 325 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 3: I don't know? 326 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know. Yes, this is not keeping up 327 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 2: with the Kardashians Une where it's not Chris, you know 328 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: what I mean, Chris like making the fake art or whatever. Yeah, 329 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 2: you know, like like early days of the Card on E. 330 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 2: I'm very I'm gonna be very Gibson knows what I'm doing. 331 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 2: I'm very different because it's a different show. On E 332 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 2: they play into the pranks, you know, t ping Chris 333 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 2: is how like you said, the fake are like it 334 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: was part like Chloe and the girls stick right and 335 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 2: we but we will always we always knew about it. 336 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 2: We always knew about it as the audience. Let's have 337 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 2: a real conversation, Gibson. I'm not watching Housewives to see 338 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 2: a prank me. I'm not listen. I want to see 339 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 2: personal story. I want to see these real women have 340 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 2: real conversations about what's going on in their lives, in 341 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 2: their friendships, in they're in a circle. I don't care 342 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 2: to see a prank the old New York Housewives. And 343 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 2: this is why I'm gonna give the production a little 344 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 2: bit of grace. Right again, Carlos King would have never 345 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 2: done that. And even if I was told by higher up, 346 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,719 Speaker 2: so whatever the powers that be, I would have fought strongly. Like, guys, 347 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 2: this is not the way to go because the audience 348 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 2: doesn't know them yet and they haven't earned their trust. 349 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 3: And there and we already don't love the show. 350 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 4: Like it's like so it's like, that's not if you 351 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 4: want to rope us in and like try to get 352 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 4: us hooked on the show, this is not the way 353 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 4: to do it. 354 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 2: Yes, not exactly, child. We are just getting started. This 355 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 2: is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's 356 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 2: get back into the show. So let me give the 357 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 2: production a little bit of grace, right, Okay. One thing 358 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 2: we do know about Old Roney, right, the the the 359 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 2: ogs and the icon the iconic legends that they are 360 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 2: is the fact that they were funny and we play 361 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: they played, They played up the comedy of their situations right, 362 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 2: and a very comedic way. It was like seven Lucille 363 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 2: balls that made up the New York Housewise right. 364 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 3: Total like they were. 365 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 2: And I'm a going records for saying this. The New 366 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 2: York City Housewives were always the most comedic franchise, right. 367 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 2: They were known for their comedy. So perhaps perhaps that 368 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 2: the production felt like, what's the twenty twenty four version 369 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 2: of these rony ladies? And unfortunately this isn't it because 370 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 2: at least I'm gonna say that none of these girls 371 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 2: put together can hold the cancel to Ramona Singer, to 372 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 2: Bethany Frankel. 373 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: So this cast, to me, isn't funny. I don't find no, I. 374 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 3: Never last well, I never do. I don't Carlos, I don't. 375 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 2: Give said the black just so you know you make 376 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 2: me laugh, Okay, comedy somewhere, Yes, they're not funny. Comedians 377 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 2: were not cast to be on this show. I have 378 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 2: to say this. This was a mistake. This was a 379 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: mistake to reboot an iconic franchise, and I understand the 380 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 2: reasoning behind it. And we don't have to get into 381 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 2: all of that because that's a whole nother podcast episode. 382 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 2: It's the political. Yeah, so we already talked about the 383 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 2: political nature of why that happened. And let's be clear 384 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 2: that's that's that's what it is. If that's the case, fine, 385 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 2: who am I to like whatever? Cast women that not 386 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 2: only represent New York City but who are funny. It's 387 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 2: sort of like the and we're gonna see what happens 388 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 2: with Atlanta Housewives when it comes back next year. Atlanta Housewives. 389 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 2: They're known to be the shadiest girls who can read 390 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: each other up and down the sidewalk right shock. The 391 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 2: Atlanta girls are pros at at shade messy shock value, 392 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 2: like they're they're they're funny, but attas they'll always make 393 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 2: us laugh. They will yeah yeah without trying hard, and 394 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 2: and and the difference is this, Ronie, they were funny in. 395 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 3: A very. 396 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah exactly exactly, whereas Atlanta is shady. It's like 397 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 2: where Kenya and Porsche read each other needy Kimisch like 398 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 2: it's hilarious without intending to be hilarious. So it's sort 399 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 2: of like they have, like I think, four new women 400 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 2: on this upcoming season. Those four new women have to 401 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 2: represent the shade fun that we saw in the golden 402 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 2: days of that franchise. And I think they I've heard 403 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 2: great things about this upcoming seat good really great things 404 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 2: plus porsches back, So there you go wrong cast. These 405 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 2: women are power players and I love that for them. 406 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 2: One thing about New York City women not like stereotyping 407 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 2: them like this does not apply to all New York 408 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 2: City women, but New York City women, the majority of 409 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 2: them are very savvy. You cannot put one on them. 410 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 2: They're they're they're savvy, smart, successful, and they and they're 411 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 2: very conscious of like their image and their career. And 412 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 2: these women represent that. But it doesn't make them reality stars. No, No. 413 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 4: I think a couple of things. One is that I've 414 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 4: said that I wish that they would put in like 415 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 4: a seasoned reality star in there to sort of help 416 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 4: guide the way a little bit. And two, I agree 417 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 4: it's sort of like where are the Julia Fai boxes 418 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 4: of the world that that could have been cast here 419 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 4: where Like, she is very savvy, she's kind of made 420 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 4: a name for herself, but she's also funny as fuck. 421 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 4: You know that it's people like that that are and 422 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 4: she has this sort of like edgy, actual edgy kind 423 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 4: of nature to her. I gravitate towards people like Roquel 424 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 4: the New One and Jenna who are actually even though 425 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,479 Speaker 4: they aren't necessarily like amazing housewives, I wouldn't say, they 426 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 4: still have like a lot of authenticity to them and 427 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 4: they just kind of they're kind of no bullshit people, 428 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 4: which I which is very New York to me. 429 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 3: And the last thing I'll say is like, you know, 430 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 3: I think I do think that like this. 431 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 4: Wrote this complete Roney reboot and sort of the the 432 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 4: way the audience has reacted to it overall, and just 433 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 4: like in the ratings, I think reflect that is like 434 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 4: it hasn't been received well, and I think it proves 435 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 4: that maybe this is not the best way to reboot 436 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 4: a franchise. You know, I think I think about Oc 437 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 4: and Potomac, who both were found themselves in kind of 438 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 4: dire straits there for a little bit, but they both 439 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 4: kind of took a very simil their approach to refreshing 440 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 4: and rebooting quote unquote their franchises, which was keep some 441 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 4: OG's or quasi ogs in the mix, some really solid 442 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 4: mid run people, but then also inject three to four 443 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 4: new faces that really bring the energy and can keep 444 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 4: up with the Ogs and aren't intimidated by them. It's 445 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 4: about getting that ratio right, you know what I mean? 446 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 4: You have to feel a connection to the to the 447 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 4: beginnings of the show, and whether that is through somebody 448 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 4: like a Tamra or Heather or Ushannon, who are none 449 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 4: of them are technically ogs, but they all. 450 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 3: Feel like kind of OG's at this point. 451 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 4: Right then you have Gina and Emily, who have been 452 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 4: there for a while now and they feel really integral 453 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 4: to the show. Go to Potomac, you have Giselle, Karen 454 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 4: and Ashley. They are OG's, they are connected to the 455 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 4: beginning of the show. Then you have Wendy and Mia 456 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 4: who kind of feel like they're really ingrained into the 457 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 4: show now. But then they have three to four women 458 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 4: who most of which I think are really they're really 459 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 4: bringing it to atomic and I think that it brought 460 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 4: it kind of back from last season. So like those 461 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 4: two shows prove that you don't have to do the complete, 462 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 4: the complete kind of clean slate, And I just don't 463 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 4: know where they go from here when it comes to 464 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 4: New York, because they did do the clean slate, you 465 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 4: know what. 466 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 3: I mean, And you can't really you can't really reverse that, no, And. 467 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 2: I think it's a lesson in the sense of, like, listen, 468 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 2: the good thing about being creative and being a producer, 469 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 2: is it is our job to try new things? Yeah 470 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 2: that and listen. In some cases you win and you 471 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 2: brought up three good examples of what happened with that. 472 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 2: I would even say Beverley Hills. You know, the Kyle 473 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 2: is the only og, but Erica feels like she's been 474 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 2: there since day one. During as well, Garcela and Soon 475 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 2: are so integrated that you feel like, okay, they're They're 476 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 2: definitely mar quee names for this show. So when you 477 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 2: lose a Lisa Rena and you, you know, you try 478 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,719 Speaker 2: to figure out new girls here and there, you at 479 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 2: least have a healthy dosed of familiar faces to where 480 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 2: even if you cast a Crystal. 481 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 3: You know, okay, okay, I'm thinking up for your bunting 482 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 3: down and. 483 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 2: You don't get it right. It's okay, it's okay. But 484 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing for me when it comes 485 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 2: to New York City is I think hindsight is always 486 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 2: twenty twenty. 487 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 3: For sure. 488 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 2: I don't think we're going to see a third season 489 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 2: of this rebooted cast. I would I would be shocked 490 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 2: if I see any of these women on my screen again, 491 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 2: unless they're going on House of villains. 492 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 3: Wow, well they're none of them are none of them want. 493 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 4: To be the villains, so they're not going to be 494 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 4: on House the Villains. But I don't know, I feel 495 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 4: like I can totally see you being correct. I do 496 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 4: feel like it's a slightly different to me, Like it's 497 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 4: a slightly different obviously a Dubai on on quote unquote 498 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 4: on pause, and that was sort of like a I 499 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 4: don't want to call it a failed experiment because it 500 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 4: wasn't failed, but like it didn't fully work. 501 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 3: I feel like there's there was. 502 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 4: More riding on the Roney reboot, and so I wonder if, 503 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 4: like they do give it one more chance, but like 504 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 4: some kind of bring back a couple of the women 505 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 4: and inject it either with Lindsay and Paige from Summer House, 506 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 4: or they bring back somebody some stunt casting that really works, 507 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 4: or I don't know, but I'm sort of like, do 508 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 4: they do it one more time? But the ratings are 509 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 4: where Dubais were, so I don't know. 510 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 2: I'm just oh, no, no, no, no, no no, this 511 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 2: is what I think is going to happen. Ladies, gentlemen, 512 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,719 Speaker 2: And they take a picture of this cast because you're 513 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 2: not going to see them on TV anymore. That's and listen, 514 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 2: I clearly I'm not saying I have intel information. I don't. 515 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 2: I'm just it's so bad that and look, none of 516 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 2: these women are break all stars like and that's the 517 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 2: reason why I'm saying, like, these women know what I 518 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 2: do think may happen. There has been a call to 519 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 2: action and I will love to be a fly on 520 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 2: the wall at a dinner table in Florida with Ramona Singer, 521 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 2: Luene Della Steps and Sonya Morgan Derinda, and I would 522 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 2: love to hear what they have to say about the 523 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 2: state of this reboot. And I think those women Gibson 524 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 2: need to keep their phone on. I would not be 525 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 2: surprised if the network announces, okay, guys, we were bringing 526 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 2: back four ogs and three new women, like like we 527 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 2: heard you guys loud and clear. And I think, my opinion, 528 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 2: I think the dust and the controversy has settled enough 529 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 2: to where you can see these people come back. 530 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody's I forget who it was, but somebody said 531 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 3: on Twitter, I'd pay to see that group chat. 532 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 2: They did. 533 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 4: Somebody said, I and pay to see that OG group chat. 534 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 4: And I think they're right, you know, I think that 535 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 4: I do think the og women have like handled the 536 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 4: pr talking about the reboot of it all really well. 537 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 3: They've been really classy about it, you know. 538 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 4: And but you have to know that they know and 539 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 4: everybody knows. Everybody knows that what the fans really want 540 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 4: is one thing and they're kind of rejecting this other thing. 541 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 3: And the show is not doing itself any favors. It's 542 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 3: just not you know, no, it's not. 543 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 2: And the ladies, the ladies aren't doing themselves any favors. 544 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: Because they aren't trying to be real. 545 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 2: And if you have to point the blame at anybody, 546 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 2: you have to point the blame at the women because 547 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 2: there's only so much that producers can do. And that's 548 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 2: the reason why I'm giving the productions some grace again 549 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 2: in terms of like the way they Yeah, I get 550 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 2: that the way they edited this prank, I wouldn't have 551 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 2: done that. I don't think that's a great choice. But 552 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, a success a successful show, Gibson, 553 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 2: and this is me producing tons of casts. At the 554 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 2: end of the day, it does rely on the cast 555 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 2: to really to really want the success. And I just 556 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 2: don't think these women's coming in a second season. I 557 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 2: just don't think they were willing to give more than 558 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 2: what they offered. 559 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 4: And I. 560 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 2: Think at the end of the day as well, they 561 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 2: all can go back to their full time jobs and 562 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 2: and that and that to me is great. It was 563 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 2: it was, you know. 564 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 4: I think what I've been saying about them is like 565 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 4: it feels like they all want the benefits of the platform, 566 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 4: which is getting pressed and and and being closer to 567 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 4: being like a household name and fame and all this stuff. 568 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 4: And they want the benefits of the platform without having 569 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 4: to do the work that the platform requires of them, 570 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 4: which is getting their hand, getting getting getting in the 571 00:32:55,560 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 4: muck and and looking a little complicating their public mentioned 572 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 4: a little bit, you know what I mean? Because ultimately, 573 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 4: and this is something that I talked about on my 574 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 4: podcast recently, is like, you know, something that's been frustrating 575 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 4: me about housewives in the most recent years is like 576 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 4: women are afraid of being unlikable or looking not brand 577 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 4: friendly at risk of like you know, not getting enough 578 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 4: sponsorship deals on Instagram. But ultimately, that's just like a 579 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 4: short term play, you know that that's short term thinking. 580 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 4: In my mind, if you think long term. You brought 581 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 4: up House of Villains. The villains are the icons of 582 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 4: reality TV, ultimately a lot of them. It's like, those 583 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 4: are the people that live on and continue to get 584 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 4: opportunities down the road. So you might take a hit 585 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 4: to your likability for a year or two there, but 586 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 4: ultimately those are the moments that fans remember. Those are 587 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 4: those are the moments that live on and for meat 588 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 4: past even your time on the show. They help you 589 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 4: maintain your spot on the show, and brands are down 590 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 4: to work with people like that these days. So it's 591 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 4: not I wish that people would get over that fear, 592 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 4: which I understand as a human being, but ultimately, being 593 00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 4: on reality TV it requires you to be messy and 594 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 4: complicated and a little bit controversial. And I don't think 595 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 4: these women want to be controversial. 596 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no, no no no, because 597 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 2: they have to go back to work on Monday. You 598 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 2: know what I mean, I think and listen, I get it. 599 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 2: But that that also means don't sign up to do 600 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 2: reality television. That's the case. 601 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: So my last question for you is this. You and 602 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: I are big fans of Jersey, and. 603 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 2: We both had two very different views of who should 604 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 2: come back to Jersey, which I love that about us. Yes, 605 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 2: with the failure of this reboot, I'll say at Gibson, 606 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 2: do not touch Jersey. I would rather see Melissa Teresa 607 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:47,919 Speaker 2: argue over Sprinkle cookies for like again, I would rather 608 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 2: see that I am now able to say Jersey is 609 00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 2: such an iconic brand and show that The lesson in 610 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 2: this New York City reboot is you can't do a 611 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 2: clean slate in Jersey. Now. Can you bring some back 612 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 2: and some not sure? But the biggest point is this 613 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 2: cannot happen to Jersey, and I think Jersey should. I 614 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 2: think to my ladies in Jersey, if you're listening, you 615 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 2: can read another day because I keep your phone on too. 616 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,919 Speaker 2: I think, I think, I think everybody's sort of looking 617 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 2: at New York City reboot like. 618 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 4: Got it right, like that this can't be applied to 619 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 4: any other franchise because the complete clean slate, it can't. Yes, No, 620 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 4: And I think, yeah, I think you're right. I think 621 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 4: you're right in terms of I mean, I do think 622 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 4: that even if they went with one side or the other, 623 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 4: it still maintains a level of connection to its original 624 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 4: self in some way. But I agree, like I would rather, 625 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 4: I would definitely rather watch just I'd rather go in 626 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 4: the same the same circle though been running in for 627 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 4: the past six or seven or eight or nine or 628 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 4: ten or eleven or twelve years, however many years you 629 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 4: want to say, we've been doing this with Jersey. I'm 630 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 4: happy to stay on that ride. Yeah, I'm happy to 631 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 4: stay on that. 632 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, do not touch Jersey. I mean if you, 633 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 2: if you touch it, do what you do. 634 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: With with Potomac, Beverly Hills and OC. 635 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 2: But like there cannot be a clean slate, So we 636 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 2: agree with that and listen, let's see what happens when 637 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 2: New York City reboot. There's more to come. I'm not 638 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 2: checking back in. I'm checked out. Nothing can happen to 639 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 2: give me to watch this season. I'm loving OC, I'm 640 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 2: loving Potomac, and Beverly Hills comes back next week, So Gibson, 641 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 2: I would love you to come back, so we could 642 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 2: recap an episode or two or three of Beverly Hills. 643 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: But in the meantime, let the world know where can 644 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: find you in your podcast as well. 645 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 4: Yes, of course we'll call this. First of all, I'll 646 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 4: say I'll continue to watch for both of Thanks, and 647 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 4: I'm happy to report back at a later date once 648 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 4: the season has to day. But yeah, so my podcast 649 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 4: is called Gaby with Gibb every Tuesday and Friday. Wherever 650 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 4: you listen to this great podcast, and yeah, it's it's 651 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 4: similar discussions as well. When we you just listened to, 652 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 4: Carlos has been on before. I have some of the 653 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 4: housewives on. It's been a minute since I've done an 654 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 4: interview actually, but I had Angie k on, I had 655 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 4: Wendy on. So a good mix of of Bravo and 656 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 4: reality TV content over on Gaviy with GiB. 657 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's really great and and and and the 658 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 2: girls love so you get to see that camaraderie as well. 659 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 2: Thank you give for so much with take time out 660 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 2: your big day to recap. Thanks give me and I 661 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 2: will see you soon. 662 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 3: Bye. 663 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to Reality with the King. New 664 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 2: episodes drop on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Share, comment, follow, and 665 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 2: subscribe to Reality with the King. 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