1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Wait that answer in the morning Breakfast Club Morning, everybody 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: is DJ Envy Angela, Ye, Charlomagne the guy. We are 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: to Breakfast Club. You got a special guest in the building. Absolutely, 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: Ricky Lake, the legend, the legend. You're too kind, Good morning, 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: nice to see you. Ah Well, funny you should mentioned 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 1: that I'm doing a new show where I'm doing a 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: podcast with my old show called Raised by by Ricky? Yeah, 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: what do you think? I think that's a great idea. 9 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: I'm I just realized what the concept is just now 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: when you said it, because I just thought it was 11 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: going to be you know, you're doing a podcast, you know, 12 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: talking about current events, but you're reliving the show. Yeah, 13 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: we're gonna go back in time and break down these episodes. 14 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: I mean, because you know, lemon on a Media is 15 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: an amazing podcast company. These women are badasses, and they 16 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: approached me and I, you know, I've been asking to 17 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: a podcast, as everyone has over the years, and I 18 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: was like, no, No, we to Abby Epstein, my partner 19 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: and I good morning talking about it, my filmmaking partner. 20 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: I'm so happy she's here. But no, this concept something 21 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: about you know, first of all, it's a thirty. This 22 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: year's thirty years that I did the pilot of the 23 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: Ricky Lations. So I was twenty three years old when 24 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: I did the pilot. I'm now fifty three, so you know, 25 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: it was really interesting to me. I think what we 26 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: were able to do back then, I didn't think of 27 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: it at the time is groundbreaking. But the issues we 28 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: were able to cover, the way we treated gay people, 29 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: the way we treated mixed race couples, the way we 30 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: treat you know, it was just we covered a lot 31 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: of bases, and I think it'll be really interesting to 32 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: go back with the lens of now where we are now, 33 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: Have we made progress, have we gone backwards? And we're 34 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: going to have a co host that's gen Z, that's 35 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: probably you know, someone who's non binary, is certainly a 36 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: person of color and who didn't grow up with me, 37 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: and kind of tell the story and bring back old guests, 38 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: old experts, and I think it'll be a lot of fun. 39 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: You know what I love about shows like Rickey Lake, 40 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: even Donna Hue back in the day, even early Oprah, 41 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: y'all sat down with people you had differences with, You 42 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: sat down with people you may not have agreed with. Nowadays, 43 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: if you do that, they'll call you problematic. Yeah, I 44 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: don't understand that. I don't either, I mean, and that's 45 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: why I'm glad I don't have the show that I 46 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: had back then. Now it just feels like you're walking 47 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: on eggshells. No matter what you do, you're gonna piss 48 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: someone off. And Yeah, I just think it's it's gonna 49 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: be a cool experiment. I mean, I think we're all 50 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: nostalgic for that time, the nineties, and I'm up for it. No, 51 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: I'd love to see you and you'll do that. I 52 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 1: would love to see that. I'd love to see anything. 53 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: We didn't ask one question, how are you amazing? The 54 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: best me I have ever been, you know, which is 55 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: like I did that show and my name was on 56 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: the rug and I didn't really have a sense of 57 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: who I was. And I think in making these documentaries 58 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: that I've been making with Abby for more than fifteen years, 59 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: I've really come into a place of like knowing my 60 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: voice and what I believe in and what I stand for. 61 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: And I've now you know, gone dark. I lost my 62 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: partner five years ago to my olarn suicide, but I've 63 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: now five years later, met the man of my dreams 64 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: and I just got married two months ago. I'm correct. 65 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: I live in my best life. Thank you so much. 66 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: How are you Abby? I'm so good. I'm so happy 67 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: to be with this woman. We just had our double 68 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: feature or last night, and we watched this movie we 69 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: made fourteen years ago in the same theater that it 70 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: premiered in at the IFC Center, Business of Being Born, 71 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: and we just both sat there with my son who's 72 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: now fifteen, who was born in the movie. Wow, and 73 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: like we had chills the whole time, you know, because 74 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: we were watching is going. I can't believe that we 75 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: made this in two thousand and eight. It still holds up. 76 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: It was powerful from the beginning. Before you, guys met 77 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: what made you start the Rickey Lake Show? You were 78 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: only twenty four years old? What said? What made you 79 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: think this is what I want to do? You want 80 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: to the honest truth? Absolutely, it was the job that 81 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: came along. Honestly, I had been a guest. I don't 82 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: you guys are younger than me, but I well, I'm 83 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: fifty three and I was I did okay, I did 84 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: Hairspray when I was eighteen, and I Letterman David Letterman 85 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: was a big fan of John Waters, and so he 86 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: would have me on over and over again, kind of 87 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,839 Speaker 1: like Sandra Bernhard back then. And it was from those 88 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: appearances that they thought of me. They were this guy 89 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: garth An's here. It was a kind of media whiz. 90 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: He wanted to do a younger show because he looked 91 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: at Oprah and Donahue and they were skewing over fifty five. 92 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: So they wanted to do something to skew towards younger women, 93 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: primarily women eighteen to thirty four, eighteen to forty nine. 94 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: So they went on a search and I was one 95 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: of a hundred women at that time. I went and 96 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: flirted with three gay guys. I didn't know they were gay, 97 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: but I just brought out my skills and they gave 98 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: me the pilot and I was like so broke. At 99 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: that time, I was living in a poolhouse in the 100 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: valley north of Victory, if anybody knows where that is. 101 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: No one spoke English, and I you know, I was 102 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: kind of couldn't get my agent to call me back. 103 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: And I got this opportunity. I was like, all right, 104 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: I'll do it. Five thousand dollars I needed my rent 105 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: paid for a year and I'll do it for that. 106 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: Luckily we renegotiated and it turned it into this phenomenon. 107 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: And it wasn't a calculated move. Every step of my career, 108 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: including the business of being born, is never coming from 109 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: a place of like seeing the big picture. It's really about, 110 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: all right, that sounds good, I could do it. So 111 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,239 Speaker 1: I think I have this confidence in me and also 112 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: this like naivete you know, and it's worked out. You 113 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: got five Well yeah, yeah, I did, but the first season. 114 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: So then my agent did get involved and they packaged 115 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: the shows. No, the pilot, the pilot was initially that 116 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: was my opening bid was I'll do it for five 117 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. And then the first year, you know, at 118 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: my salary, I don't remember what it was. But at 119 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: the end of the first year the show was such 120 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: a huge success. This is nineteen ninety three, they gave 121 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: me a bonus of a half million dollars. Wow. Really, yes, 122 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: a lot of money in ninety three. A lot of 123 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: that was a lot of money for real, Like I 124 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: was broke. I My house was for clothes at that time. Yeah, 125 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: I was needing that money. And it was you know, 126 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: that show. It was I mean, it was just my life. 127 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: Like I didn't have the concept, like I'm twenty four 128 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: years old. I don't even know who I am, you 129 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: know who like the audacity to get on that stage 130 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: and moderate these panels. But I think looking back at it, 131 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: I was I was the perfect kind of person for 132 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: that role because I was a good listener. You know, 133 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: it was very forthcoming about my own you know, hardshifts. 134 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: I'm curious. I'm so fascinated by people. I don't judge people, 135 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: and so I think you're so real. You're so real. 136 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: Anybody who meets Ricky, any of my friends, but anyone 137 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: meets Ricky in five minutes, they go that woman has 138 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: the biggest heart and she's just so real. Like you 139 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: don't meet a lot of celebrities that are like that 140 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,119 Speaker 1: anti celebrity quality. And I think that's really what worked 141 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: on that show. The show was a party, you know. 142 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: It was just like you know, the people that came 143 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: to our show, they waited months and months and months 144 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: to get tickets back then, and you know, it was 145 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: always surprising. I mean it was a little formulaic. I 146 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: have to admit, like I knew, you know, I knew 147 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: from the names I could tell. Okay, this is a 148 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: black story. The first guests. The first guests were always 149 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: the most outrageous, you know, and then we'd have the 150 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: white story and then we you know, we'd balance it out. 151 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: But I feel like we we did do a lot 152 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: of good. Like we you know, we we definitely saw 153 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: people and many times that they're worst, But I feel 154 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: like I treated everyone equally. I treated everyone with compassion 155 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: and it was a good time. Did you said something 156 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: earlier that was interesting? You said, um, you know, you 157 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 1: said a lot right about what women had to go 158 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: through because you're obviously talented, But you said you had 159 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: to flirt with the executives. I didn't. I don't think 160 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: it was a prerequisite. It was just my It was 161 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: my m o ian. I wasn't even like I was, 162 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: you know, very like heavy set, and I, you know, 163 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: wore a big flower hat probably. I mean, I didn't 164 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: have a really game. I didn't have any game back then, 165 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: but I knew how to be charming and appealing and 166 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: it worked. It worked in my favor. But um, yeah, 167 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: that's the only game I know. I was going to ask, 168 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: how did you guys me? Was that so funny? Can 169 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: you tell them? Okay? So I was directing a show. 170 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: Do you remember the show The Vagina Monologues. Yeah, yeah, 171 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: do you remember that? That was also like started in 172 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: the in the They made an HBO. Yeah, it did 173 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: a special, but it was a play off Broadway ran 174 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: for a really long time. Um. And so originally we 175 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: had three actresses that would rotate every two weeks. So 176 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: every two weeks, three celebrities would come in and I 177 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: would put them into the play. And Ricky came in 178 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: one week, and like I said, she's so real, you know, 179 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: like most of these celebrities, you know what I mean. 180 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: I didn't really want to get drinks with them after. 181 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: I just want to do my job and go home. 182 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: And then Ricky and I rode the bus home together 183 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: and she just had me on the floor, like she 184 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: just had me at hello. And so we met and 185 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: then I guess this was like years later we met 186 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: in like ninety nine or two thousand, I got pregnant 187 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: with my second son, and then I was wanting a 188 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: home birth, like I was getting educated about my options, 189 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: and so I was telling her and she's like, you're crazy, 190 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: You're crazy, You're crazy. And then I got to vote 191 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: nine to eleven was a huge turning point for me 192 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 1: where I was living downtown and I, you know, I 193 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: thought we were going to die. I watched the second 194 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: plane hit the building, and I in that moment of 195 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 1: being on the roof of my building with my four 196 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: year old and I had a two month old at 197 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: the time, I said, I'm leaving if I get out 198 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: of this, you know alive, I'm leaving New York. I'm 199 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: leaving this job and I'm leaving this man. And I 200 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: moved to La It took a year and a half. 201 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: I had to finish my contract. I didn't end up 202 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: quitting my show per se, but I ended I didn't 203 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 1: renew my contract that back then, and I wanted to 204 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: start a new life. And that's when I started soul 205 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: searching about what it where, what I wanted to do 206 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: where I can make a difference. And we made the 207 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: business of being born. But you know, I had her 208 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: come out. I said, you got to come out and 209 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: see my fat house in Brentwood. Yeah, and see my 210 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: new life. Yeah. I'd like basically stopped at her new 211 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: house on my way back to Lax miss my flight 212 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: because we started talking and I had made one documentary 213 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: at that point about violence against women, and I knew 214 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: how to roughly make a documentary. And she was like, 215 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: I have this idea for this project. It's about midwiffery 216 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: and home birth. And I was like, this does not 217 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: sound commercial, this does not sound like a like a 218 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: hot seller. I had no idea what a midwife was. 219 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: And then she whipped out her little video care for 220 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: my nine hour homebirth video on my little you know 221 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: cam quarter and I gave it to her and I said, here, 222 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: I hadn't even watched it. I gave it to her 223 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: and gave her a couple of books, and she came 224 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,479 Speaker 1: back and she goes, I think we can make a documentary. 225 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: And then the magic of this film, it took three 226 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: and a half years to make, is she got pregnant 227 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: two years into the making of the film. And then 228 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: her story, her dramatic story of her birth, is in 229 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: the the end of the film. That was intense last 230 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: night when we were watching it again. And he's there 231 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: with her new husband, Ross, who's never seen the movie. 232 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: I'm there with my son who's born in the movie, 233 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: who's never seen the movie. My ex is sitting in 234 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: front of me it was like and he shot the 235 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: movie and it was really intense. But yeah, so we 236 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: both we both give birth essentially in that movie. So 237 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: it's a really rare kind of documentary where it's a 238 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: personal piece about the filmmakers and then it's also like 239 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 1: a very political piece and it's still so relevant to 240 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: come out. Oh three and a half years, oh, because 241 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: that's how long they make. This one that we just 242 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: released last night. The Business would Be of birth Control 243 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: took seven years. Seven. We started it in twenty fifteen 244 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: because twenty fifteen. First of all, you guys, nobody wants 245 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: to give you any money to talk about and especially 246 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: if you're like, oh, we want to talk about women's health. Uh, yeah, 247 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: we want to talk about like how crappy the birth 248 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: control pill is. Yeah, I don't think I want to 249 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: fund that. I mean it's controversial. Um, there's no celebrity 250 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: and big Pharma has their hands on everything. So for 251 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: us to get into sort of mainstream media, there's all 252 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 1: this backlash. You know, Yeah, you're not Jesse Coach. Jesse's 253 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 1: I know, friend of the your show, and she's she's 254 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 1: heavily in our film, she's in the movie. We love 255 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: her but like this message, it's like Netflix, HBO, They're 256 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: not going to make this movie with us. There's no 257 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: way with what we want to say. In the business 258 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: of birth control, there's no way. So you know, you 259 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: start in twenty fifteen, you do a Kickstarter, you get 260 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: a little chunk of money, you make a sizzle reel, 261 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: you know. You just it's like and then we did 262 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: this movie Weed the People in twenty eighteen, so we 263 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: had like another movie in the middle of the movie 264 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: that's about cannabis. Yeah, that's about cannabis and children with cancer. 265 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: And then um so yeah, just it takes a while. 266 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: And also because like when you're making these films, these 267 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: films take so much work, right, but they're also your 268 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: side hustle in a way, like nobody's paying you, you 269 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: know at the time, so you're just like working on 270 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: them when you can. Yeah, they're just like passion project 271 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: passion there for sure. They always them out at the 272 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: right time. Like I think the business of birth control 273 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: releasing now, like this is the moment for it. Yeah, 274 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: especially with women's you know, reproductive rights, you know, being 275 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: script away. Everybody's gop people. So yeah, so what is 276 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: the business of birth control. We well, what in the 277 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: same way, did you ever see the business of being born? No, 278 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: I haven't. I urge you too, because it's really you know, 279 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: we take a hard look at what birth you know, 280 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: the birthing world, the medical system when it comes to birth, 281 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 1: and the same thing. We look at the pill, the 282 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: history of the pill, the racist piece of it. Did 283 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: you know that they tested you tell they tested the 284 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: drug the pill initially on black and brown women in 285 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico. M Yeah, I mean I think that at 286 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's sort of like you 287 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 1: can equate the business of birth control to in a way, 288 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: the opiate epidemic. You know, it's really profits over people. Um, 289 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: it's it's the way you know, we know women's bodies 290 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: have been co opted and controlled and exploited for years. So, 291 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: like Ricky was saying, the film covers a lot of ground. 292 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: It's it's truly mind blowing. I think people sit there 293 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: for ninety minutes and they're like, I didn't know any 294 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: of this shit, Like I literally didn't know anything in 295 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: your movie. So one thing is we look at some 296 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: of the products that are out there, like the neeuver 297 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: ring that's had a lot a lot of women die 298 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: on it, and you never hear about any of it. 299 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: You never hear about any of it because you get 300 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: gag orders when you accept settlements. So when the drug 301 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: company settles with all these victims, they're then not allowed 302 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: to do any promotion. So the stories in our film 303 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: are the families who wouldn't settle. They didn't take the 304 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: money because they want to change the labeling on these products. 305 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: They don't want other girls to die. So we tell 306 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: that story. And then, like Ricky was saying, you know, 307 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: we look back in time over the way birth control 308 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: has been tied into eugenics, the way that it's always 309 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 1: been used to, you know, weaponize basically against communities of color. 310 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: How obstetrics was literally founded on slavery in Africa, the 311 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: pill was tested on women in Puerto Rico, and on 312 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: and on and on um. And then we also look 313 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: at in a positive way, you know, we look at 314 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: this new generation that does not want to take the 315 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: pill that their grandmothers took. UM. They're woke, they're ecological, 316 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 1: they don't want to put you know, hormones, yeah, and 317 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: acrin disruptors in their body. And so if the pharmaceutical 318 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: companies aren't going to come along with like healthier options. 319 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: They're going to make them up. You know, we're going 320 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: to invent them. So you look at all these cool 321 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: femtech entrepreneurs and in a way, I think, you know, 322 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: the younger generation, it's like they're they're kind of a 323 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: do it yourself generation. They're not going to rely on 324 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: these big companies. And so you know, we look at 325 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: all the innovation that's happening, which is super cool. Didn't 326 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: explore any of Margaret Sanger oh yeah, okay, oh yeah, 327 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: and that happened during the making the film. It happened 328 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: during the film, which was interesting. Yeah, so we originally 329 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: I remember, like Gloria Steinem's on early cut, and you know, 330 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: one was worried about that Margaret sang her legacy, like, oh, 331 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: you're going to take her down. I think we're really 332 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: fair to her in the movie. But then at the 333 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: end of the movie, we show an update about how 334 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: Plan Parenthood New York City took her name off the clinic, 335 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: so you know that it's not so like they Plan 336 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: parent finally had to come out and say, you know, 337 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: let's be transparent, like we cannot be identified with our founder. 338 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: So again, that's why I think the timing of the 339 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: movie was so good, because I think having that conversation 340 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: about Margaret sang her five years ago and have happened 341 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: like we would have gotten a lot of pushback. Yeah, 342 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: my wife doesn't like birk control. That's why I get 343 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: a sectomina because we just had a four of dogs. 344 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: She's six months old. Yeah, and it's like, yeah, she's 345 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: refused to get back on Burke control because it makes 346 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: us sick. She hates it. Yeah, it's awful, Like all 347 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: the options are terrible. And you go out there and 348 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: talk to anybody and they will tell you their birth 349 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: control journey, and they'll tell you every product they used 350 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: and how depressed it made them, or how they lost 351 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: their sex drive, or how they got In my case, 352 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I had hair loss. I don't know, if 353 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: you know, dealing my hair is pretty much it came back. 354 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: But well, that's part of it. I think it's a 355 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: lot of things. I was putting extensions in my hair, 356 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: I was coloring my hair. I was stressed about my hair. 357 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: I have androgenetic alopecia, which is the you know, genetic 358 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: hair loss over years. Yeah, it was all above, but 359 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: definite message your hormones. Think about it, you know. And 360 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: it's like what we say in the film, It's like 361 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: sometimes now these kids are getting put on twelve thirteen 362 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: years old for acne, for cramps, you know, like you'll 363 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: see with your daughters. It's like you you got to 364 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: make these decisions, right when you have like a thirteen 365 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: year old, fourteen year old that's like, oh, but my period, 366 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: cramps are so bad. And then the doctor saying, well, 367 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: just put her on the pill. That'll take care of everything. 368 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: That's how they treat everything, and um, and that's that's 369 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: not going to cut it. That's not gonna cut it 370 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: for the new generation. So I think it's like, you know, 371 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: two things. One is there's a lot of things that 372 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: people are getting put on the pill four that have 373 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: nothing to do with birth control, right, acne um fiosoids, 374 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: pcos right. So we need actual treatments for these conditions. 375 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: We need studies yea happen on women studies, yeah. And 376 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: then you know, we need to be more educated about 377 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: the menstrual cycle so that there's other ways to intervene 378 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: and relieve cramps or whatever the issues are. Because what's 379 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: happening is these girls are going on at like twelve, thirteen, fourteen, 380 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: they're not really you know, they're hormones, they're not really developing. 381 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: They're on something that's cut like basically putting them into 382 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: menopause at thirteen, and they're not and they're staying on it. 383 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: Then they stay on it for maybe ten twenty years. 384 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: I mean this drugs were not designed or FDA approved 385 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: to be on for twenty y Did you know that 386 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: when you're on these drugs, it changes your pheromones? Yes, 387 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: changes who you're attracted to. They do this T shirt 388 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: test that was out of what's Sweden or something Scotland. Yeah, 389 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: so it's actually your so your pheromones. You know, it's 390 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: like how you you can smell out attraction, right, So 391 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: you know how if you like have sex with certain people, 392 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: you like their smell, you don't like their smell, right, 393 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,959 Speaker 1: that smell is actually giving your body information about their DNA. 394 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: It's actually telling you whether you're going to make healthy 395 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: offspring with that person. Wow. And when you go on 396 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: these birth control products, it takes that like animal sense offline, 397 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: so you can't smell anymore. So they say, like for women, 398 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: the line is you're going to be attracted to someone 399 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: who's more like brother than other, so you're attracted to 400 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: more maybe kind of feminine men. You know, men that 401 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: aren't don't have that kind of opposite polarity. And so 402 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: you hear this a lot anecdotally right that women either 403 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: go like are with a partner, decide they need some protection, 404 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: go on the pill. Suddenly they're not attracted anymore, or 405 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: the opposite of the opposite, when they go off to 406 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: family plan, they suddenly are not into their guys. Are 407 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: you about to make YouTube conspiracy thing? YouTube conspiracy so 408 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 1: that it can even help you? It canna make you change, 409 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: you do what genda you like as well? No? Oh no, 410 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: oh okay? Condition. So how did you get your hair 411 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: back healthy? So I you okay? So I think it's 412 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: a lot of things. Like I said, I don't stress anymore. 413 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: I mean when I shaved my head in grand fashion 414 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: the turn of twenty twenty, I mean I did it 415 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: in a way like can you curse on the show? Okay, 416 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: I said, fuck it, Like I was so done with 417 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: struggling about my hair. It was my deep dark secret. 418 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: Every time I looked in the Mira could see my scalp, 419 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: and it just it just drove me crazy and the 420 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: extensions were pulling. I'm sure many of your much of 421 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,719 Speaker 1: your audience knows what that's like. It's just it's just 422 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: it was painful. And it was because I was a 423 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 1: public figure and because I'm so outspoken and honest and authentic. 424 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: I this was this piece of myself that I was hiding, 425 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: and I just decided, all right, I'm gonna rock a 426 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: bald head. You know, I don't know how it's going 427 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: to look. My friends were telling me, don't worry, you 428 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: can do. You're gonna be able to pull it off. 429 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: And I just did it and gave up. And then 430 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: I came into finding this product that I'm now an 431 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: ambassador of. I've never taken an endorsement in my thirty 432 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: plus year career. It's called hard Clinic and it's a 433 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: shampoo and extract something about the fermentation. I can't explain it, 434 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: but it's non toxic and it's helped my care to 435 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 1: be as healthy as it as it can be. Now 436 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: you know where I'm going next. Were you offended by 437 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: Chris rocks joke towards Jada Pink? I mean I was 438 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: more offended by his actions. It's like it's by Will 439 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: Smith's actions. I mean, like I used to say on 440 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: my old show, violence is never the answer, and the 441 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 1: fact that it went to that extreme, I mean nothing, 442 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: nothing that comes out of anyone's mouth justifies a physical altercation. 443 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: But I also did feel for Jada in that moment 444 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: because I would hate to be the butt of that 445 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: joke if someone were, and that was one of my fears. 446 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: When I did shave my head, like I didn't, I 447 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: didn't know what the reaction would be and I couldn't 448 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: think that far ahead. But I was so scared of 449 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 1: people making fun of me or's calling me names. So 450 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: I definitely definitely struck a nerve for me because I 451 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: think women's suffering with that condition. It's not funny if yeah, no, no, 452 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: I think. I mean there's a lot to the story. 453 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: I mean, we're all speculating, but I think there was 454 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: a history with them and the Oscars. So I don't know. 455 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: I mean I saw this morning that her her reaction 456 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: to the slap. After the slap, she sort of smiled. 457 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: I mean, we don't know, but I know for me personally, 458 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: definitely a joke about a woman's hair loss is not 459 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: is not funny. How have you been doing mentally? Because 460 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: we talk about a lot of the things, right we 461 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: talk about your husband at at Tick's life and the 462 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: hair loss and everything that you've been going to. How 463 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: have you been doing and how have you been coping? Well? Now, 464 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: I mean now I'm literally in the happiest place in 465 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: my entire life, which says a lot, because I've been 466 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,959 Speaker 1: a really happy person. I've had a blessed you know, 467 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: abundant life and career. My kids are great. I mean 468 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: that's really the start. It's like you're only as happy 469 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: as your least happy child. And both my kids and 470 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 1: my four step children are all great right now. And 471 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: my new husband is just a dream. So I you know, 472 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: I feel like I've been given a second lease on life, 473 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: you know, after losing Christian. I mean I never thought 474 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: I could be as low as that. I mean that 475 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: the level of despair I had to be literally physically 476 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: picked up off the floor. And I remember, I mean 477 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: this was just five years ago. I would force myself 478 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: I had a dog, and I would force myself to 479 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: walk outside at the beach and smile at the sun 480 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: and find gratitude, find something to be grateful for. And 481 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: I you know, there were dark, dark days. I never 482 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 1: thought I'd be in a place of peace and happiness. 483 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: And I really am like I just like I said 484 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: when we first started, It's like I feel like I'm 485 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: the best me that I've ever been. I really know myself, 486 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: I really love myself. I've you know, through this journey 487 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: of shaving my head and that was a badass move 488 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: and I came out of it, okay, you know, so 489 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: like all of it is a journey. I'm fifty three, 490 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: and I guess when you turn fifty you kind of 491 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: get a sense of who you who you are, and 492 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: also you don't care what people think as much. Yeah, 493 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: I don't really care what people think of me. I 494 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: know my side of the street is clean. I'm a 495 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: good person and I appreciate every day. So to answer 496 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 1: your question, I'm great. How do how does one allowed 497 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 1: himselves the love again and be loved after something like that? 498 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: I vote always felt that I've been like deserving of love. 499 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: You know. I think I chose partners um that either 500 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: were physically a certain way so I felt better about myself. 501 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: I chose partners that needed me that so I saw 502 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: my value in that they needed fixing or they needed 503 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: taken care of. I mean, this is the first time 504 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: in my entire life, and I've had many of this 505 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: my third marriage, where I'm with someone who's my equal, 506 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: who brings as much to the to the to the 507 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: relationship as I bring, and that I think comes down 508 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: to like self, self worth and self love. Well, there 509 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: was there any guilt, because I'm sure people will say 510 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: to you, oh, five years, that wasn't long with who 511 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 1: would they to say that, Oh yeah, it was a 512 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: long five years. It was a long five years. And 513 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: I don't care what anybody has to say, Like I 514 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: I and I continue to honor this, this man that 515 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 1: I lost, I mean, he was he was my greatest teacher. 516 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: To this day, he's my greatest teacher. Christian Evans was 517 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: so special and so ill and I didn't even know 518 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: what bipolar was when when I got with him. I'd 519 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: never experienced it, I know, he told me when we met, 520 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: He's like, oh, I was diagnosed by polar and I 521 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, and I'm a control freak. We 522 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: all have our things, you know. I didn't understand what 523 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: a manic episode was, and so you know with Kanye, 524 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: I mean like I really, I really, I just I 525 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: just know that to be the loved one going through 526 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: that and you know, losing Christian the way I did. 527 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: I mean, for me, the trauma was the episode, the 528 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: first episode versus the suicide, because seeing your loved one 529 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: change on a dime and and become so destructive and 530 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: so like just someone I didn't recognize. But you know, 531 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: I've done a lot of work in these five years. 532 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: And and I think also with Ross, my my husband, now, 533 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: I mean it's like I deserve him, you know, it's 534 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: really like I know my value and I I really 535 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: just I called him in, you know, I manifested him, 536 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: and I you know, just just I yeah, I relish 537 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: this time in my life, in this relationship you've lived, 538 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: You've lived all the big pop culture stories with the 539 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: I have. I mean, it's all so sort of it resonates, 540 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: you know, I mean the oscars, Like you know, I 541 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,959 Speaker 1: was going on Monday, I did a promotional for this 542 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: hair company that I've been working with, and there's the 543 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: night before that that happened with the joke. You know, 544 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: it's just yeah, it feels like my life, my life 545 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: is a movie. It really, it really is so true. 546 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: You have lived them all. And also you know she 547 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: she speaks about them like she's gone to give talks 548 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 1: on mental health, and yes, and I think that that's um, 549 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's I think just being a witness to 550 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: what she went through with Christian, you know, that kind 551 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: of bipolarity. It is so tricky. It is so tricky 552 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: because it doesn't present as an illness like it sometimes 553 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: presents first as if the person's actually doing great, because 554 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: you don't realize that they're ascending toward that that mania. 555 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: You know. So it's it's you can't intervene, you can't 556 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,479 Speaker 1: tell somebody, oh I think you're a little well, you know, 557 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: it's it's it was. It was an impossible situation. It 558 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: was like you guys did everything, tried everything, therapy, drugs. 559 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I just that's what's super frustrating to everybody 560 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: dealing with the resources to have the money. And I 561 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: tried to save him. I saved him twice and I 562 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: couldn't save him a third time. And you know, yeah, 563 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: I'm the fixer, you know, I'm someone that like really 564 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: does like like you know, create, like you know, and 565 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: I couldn't and it was really really hard to come 566 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: to terms with that. I'd love to hear some of 567 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: those practices you talked about. You know, I'm big on 568 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: mental health and mindfulness. And I heard you say you 569 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: you manifested you know, Ross, Like, what are some of 570 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: the things you do on a daily I mean, I 571 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: know on a daily I was going to mention ayahuasca. 572 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: I do not do that on the daily. I want to. 573 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: I can't not on a daily, but I can't wait 574 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: to do it. It's calling me. They don't it's calling you, exactly. 575 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: It has to be a calling. And the first time 576 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: I did it, I did it with Christian and I 577 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: did it because he was doing it and I didn't 578 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: want him to do without me. That is not the 579 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: reason to do it. And it was a horrible experience. 580 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: But I've done it now about fourteen times over a 581 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: period of last ten years, and m't. Well, it's it's 582 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: a it's awful. It's going to hell and back. It's 583 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: literally going to the darkest, darkest I mean, oh my gosh. 584 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: And every time it has been so different. I did 585 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: it back in Abiza, I did it, did it in 586 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: Northern California, I did into Panga. I've done it all 587 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 1: over and you know, my my mostly my intention. You 588 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: have to send an intention, and my intention to do 589 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: it was letting go and and and I did it 590 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: once after Christian passed twice after Christian passed away, and 591 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: you get these messages, you get these downloads, and you 592 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: you see God. I mean you you see God. It 593 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: is one time in particular that that I was with Christian. 594 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: I was up in northern California under the redwoods, and 595 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: we were outside. It was during the day. It was 596 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: the only time I ever did it in daylight, and 597 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: I remember just being on the ground like praying, rent 598 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: bowing and and I could literally see and feel the 599 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: Earth's heartbeat in my hands pulsating, and it oh you got, 600 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: I mean I have just just talking about it brings 601 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: you back. I mean, it's it's medicine. They say you 602 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: do ten years of therapy in one night of ayahuasca, 603 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: and I think that's remember the plant. That was the 604 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: time the plant told you let him go. Yes, I'd 605 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: have to let him go. You have to let him go. 606 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: I mean I've had so yeah, it's been I mean, 607 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 1: I'm not called to do it again. Right now, but 608 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: I certainly it's it's very powerful medicine. I've also done combo. 609 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: I've done that twice. I've done I mean, I'm like 610 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: a secret combo is the frog poison? No, it's not 611 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: the five m Ao d MT. It's what they burn 612 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: your skin, that the top lay of your skin, and 613 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: they put the medicine in and it does a scan. 614 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: It's supposedly be the strongest natural antibiotic and it can 615 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: heal you from so many different ailments. So I've done. 616 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like a seeker. I'm I'm curious and 617 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: I'm always up for growth. So I'm trying to think 618 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: of the other things I've done. What if I, oh, 619 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: Burnie Man. I started going to Burnie Man. What's burning Man? 620 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: But you're burning man fields like white freakni It is 621 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: for everyone. It is Bernie Man, is is it? I 622 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: can't say festival is not a festival. It is a city, 623 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: the huge place over a week. You have never heard 624 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: of burning. I have all my friends to burn the 625 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: best place in the world. I'm going I'm bringing. Oh 626 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: my goodness, you need to google it. My friend. It's 627 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: it's I know, Bob and Bernik and yeah, I mean 628 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's a place where you go and 629 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: you are in that moment. You are present, you are free, 630 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: you engage with people. It's a it's a city. There's 631 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: no exchange of currency or anything. You bring gifts, but 632 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: you give gifts um and you don't do it for 633 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: anything other than giving you You know, it's people are 634 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: are at their highest vibe at Burnie Man. But it's 635 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: a place where they call drugs medicines. That's all you 636 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: need to know. You you do not they have AA 637 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: meetings on the play. You do not have to do 638 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: anything you don't want to do. But it's like magic 639 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: happens on the play. Aff I don't know. I guess 640 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: I'm sounding too. I'm gonna go one day. My homie 641 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: Andrews old goals all the time. He was like, you 642 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: got to call me to Burning Man when I'm gonna 643 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: go on. If you're called to do it, I urge 644 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: you to go. Haven't been implia. Let me just tell 645 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: you the ply has a lot more fun. Yeah, I 646 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: know the PLI is Burning Man. They call it that. 647 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: The desert the land. Yeah, you did twelve seasons at 648 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: a Rickey Leagull eleven and then I went back and 649 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: did a new version of the show that only ran 650 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: for one year. But I won the Emmy that year. 651 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: And you said you walked away from it. I did 652 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: the first show. I just didn't renew. Yeah, I mean 653 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: it kind of run its course. Nine to eleven had happened. 654 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: I just I wanted to get out of New York. 655 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: I was going through a divorce. I mean, it just 656 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: it just kind of fell apart. I mean, you know, 657 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: Maury just ended his show. I mean I feel like 658 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: I could have had a run like that. I'm personnel. 659 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: No no, no, no no. I love Maury, but I 660 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: I yeah, eleven years was enough for the first show. 661 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: The second show, I wanted to do more of a 662 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: Donnie Who type show, and that was my my concept. 663 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: I wanted to be the elevated content, more provocative and 664 00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: thought provoking, and it didn't turn out to be. That 665 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: was difference between the first run in the second run, 666 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: Because say you want to end one was successful. I 667 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: don't know the first one. I mean, I think the 668 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: timing of the first one and being in New York 669 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: at that time was magic. You know. The second one, 670 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: I was in bed with the wrong company. I think 671 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: the executive that was in charge of my production, we 672 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: had different visions, you know, he wanted a different type 673 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: of show than I wanted to do, and I, you know, 674 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: goes back to making the business of being born with Abby. 675 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: I kind of have a sense of who I am 676 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: in a way that I didn't back then, and uh yeah, 677 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: So it was just you know, in bed you did 678 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: some good shows, though, you really did. We did, we did. 679 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: I actually did a show on suicide, which is so 680 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: interesting because I didn't have I didn't have a his 681 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: like I didn't know that at the time, but I 682 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: was called to do it and I fought so hard. 683 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: He said it was never gonna rate. It was never 684 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: gonna and I felt like we needed to do it, 685 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: and it was one of the shows I'm really proud of. 686 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: How difficult is it for any person to have a 687 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: successful daytime talk show, Oh my god, I think it's 688 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: near impossible. I mean, in the time that I did 689 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: my show eleven years and we used to go to 690 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: the Nappy Convention every year and there'd be you know, 691 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: a dozen half a dozen news shows come and go 692 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: and they you know, they'd last for you know, not 693 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: very long. I think it's a rare talent. Like it's 694 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: like I don't think it's something that was taught to me. 695 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: I think it was like a natural fit, you know. 696 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: For me. It's a unique relationship I think that you 697 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: have with the world more than being an actor on 698 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: a TV show. I feel like because Ricky was in 699 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: everybody's living room and people ran home from school at 700 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: three o'clock every day to watch Ricky Lake, watch Ricky Lake. 701 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: Like literally, you know, I can see just from traveling 702 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: the world with her, Like We'll be in some hotel 703 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: lobby in Australia and like, you know, like ten gay 704 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: men will come up to her like sobbing, you know, 705 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: and say, oh my god, you validated us and you 706 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: don't know what you meant, and you know, And I 707 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: think that they have a different relationship with her just 708 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: because the nature of that show. It's like it's like 709 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: she was the perspective of the audience, you know what 710 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: I mean, Like she was she was sort of your 711 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: lens into this like world of madness. So it's it's 712 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: interesting to see I've never really seen um, I've never 713 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: really seen anybody where it's kind of like her fans 714 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: appreciate her and like yesterday we're walking down the street 715 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: and people are screaming her name down the street in 716 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: New York. That's Ricky, Like I saw you on Wendy 717 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: Williams this morning, Hi, Ricky, Hi Ricky. Like she just 718 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: feels approachable, more approachable in that way, because I think 719 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: we lose sense of how many people grew up on her, 720 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: like it was one of the original absolute formats. And 721 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: I think the nineties celebrity actually meant something in them. Yes, 722 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: doesn't anybody You can you can lick the bottom of 723 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: a told foot now and be a TikTok about you 724 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, celebrity meant something in the nineties. 725 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: And it feels like everyone or a lot of people 726 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: have an agenda, Like it's like it's whether sell a 727 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: product or push some you know. And I guess in 728 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: a way we are pushing our but our thing is 729 00:33:54,880 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: to help women. Documentary like yeah, you know, yeah, it's 730 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: celebrity has changed. I agree, And and just the tone 731 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: that like like I don't know how you guys do it. 732 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever like second guess what 733 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: you're about to say. For fear of like like backlash 734 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,240 Speaker 1: or something. But I feel like I was able to say, 735 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,280 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't have to like censor myself before 736 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: I say it, and can Yeah, we've been canceled a 737 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: million times. I mean we've been doing it for twelve years, 738 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: so things have changed over has it shifted in these 739 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: twelve years. So it's things that they try to go 740 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: back and cancel us for. But yeah, yeah, you know, 741 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: it's just that's the way it's part to me, Yeah, 742 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,439 Speaker 1: because nobody wants to have the conversation about how culture shifted. Yeah, 743 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to hold people accountable for things 744 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: they said, yeah in public forums ten years ago, fifteen 745 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: years ago culture exactly. And I felt like that last 746 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: night when we watched both our movies back to back, 747 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: you know, and we're watching this movie we made fourteen 748 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: years ago, and I'm a little nervous watching it, you know, 749 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: just for that reason, because you're sitting there like, oh, 750 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: did we have enough people of color in the movie. 751 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: Oh God, we just said something about Britney Spears in 752 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: the movie. Little you know, things that like today might 753 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 1: not fly. You know, I was gonna ask we always 754 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: talk about the Mount Rushmore of things route much more, 755 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore of comedians, what ship, Mount Rushmore of talk 756 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: show hosts. Okay, Oprah for sure, Oprah, Donna Hue. I 757 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: loved Donnie back in the day. I loved Darcineo. I 758 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: watched him. Oh can we do late night too? Can talk? Oh? 759 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: Sorry time? Okay, okay, daytime. Let me think, Oh my god, 760 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: throw some names at me and I'll tell you what 761 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: I think of him. Um, Oprah, Donnie was a good start. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 762 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: I mean Sally Sally, Oh, Monte Montell was a good 763 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: guy to show with him. Yeah, yeah, I mean there's more, 764 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: There's more of what I'm like. There were so many. 765 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: Come on, you just did that reunion on Tamaran Hall. 766 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: Who was there? Oh that was Rolando was there and 767 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 1: Montell was there. Yeah. When Tamara Tamara was up here 768 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: like last week and she said your name and Roland 769 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: and I was like, I mean, you know quote, I didn't. 770 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: I didn't think of Roland. Hadn't heard the name in 771 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: a wild like I mean, tempest bled Zoe had a show, 772 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: Carney Wilson had a show. I mean, yeah, everyone successful. No, 773 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think they only ran for 774 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: any Queen Latina. Yeah, I mean yesterday I went and 775 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: did the Wendy Williams Show without Wendy Williams. But it 776 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: was in my old studio. Wow, So like I hadn't 777 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: been back there in like fifteen years, sixteen years or 778 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: something like that. They Montell's old studio. Yeah, uh Monte 779 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 1: Maury was there too, the twenty six Street studios. But yeah, 780 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: it's all just like it just feels like these chapters 781 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 1: in my life. And now with this new podcast, I'm 782 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 1: gonna do. I get to go back, right, I think 783 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: it'll be good. Yeah, I wonder what the Raised by 784 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: Ricky podcast? What did he make you miss most about 785 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: doing the Ricky Lakes Show? The money money, I mean 786 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,800 Speaker 1: it was funny money. I didn't even like like getting 787 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: a bonus of a half million dollars. Come on, come on, 788 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: it's like the bud of our entire documentary. It was 789 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 1: just it was crazy. I'm okay, yes, I'm I'm just fine, 790 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: thank you, but believe me, crypto crypto, but that's not crazy. 791 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: I don't think I got in I relatively early twenty seventeen. 792 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,800 Speaker 1: You got an early early super well, Mamma went big 793 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: you know, my guy calls me his you know bitcoin wife, 794 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: you know, counting my bitcoin. No like a nine cow, 795 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: it's a it's a My guy was an was an 796 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: ex devout Mormon, so he brings up these these Mormons. Anyway, anyway, 797 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 1: it's will I did. Okay, I did not do like like. 798 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: I love Rosie O'Donnell too. Rosie's a great, great, great 799 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 1: friend of mine and a great talk show host. Um. Yeah, 800 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: I don't have like the money that these other people have. 801 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: But I'm also I saw Jim Carrey did an interview yesterday. 802 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: He's retiring. He's like and he said he has enough. 803 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: And that's how I feel. I don't come from a 804 00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: place of the work I do is not about the 805 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: money I make. Now, it's really about putting out good work. Well, 806 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 1: we appreciate you guys for joining us. Thank you so much. Well, 807 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 1: I do want to ask one more question that two 808 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 1: more do talk show host reach out to you to 809 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,840 Speaker 1: get tips? Now? And if they did, I'll tell you. 810 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: Rosie and Ellen both called me before they went and 811 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,319 Speaker 1: did their shows because they wanted to know what the 812 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: schedule was like, how it worked. Um not late like no, 813 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: not of late I've been off the air. I haven't 814 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: done my show in so long. But but I feel 815 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,439 Speaker 1: like I do have some good pointers, and I would 816 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: say the main thing is to be a good listener. 817 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: That's you know, I think that's what I was best at, 818 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: is reacting to what I was seeing. You know. I 819 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: didn't wear an IFB, and that's something they fought me 820 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: on every year. They just wanted, you know, the control 821 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: room and the priests wanted to have access to me. 822 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: And I didn't want to add anyone ever putting anything 823 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,319 Speaker 1: in my mouth, you know. So I would have Q 824 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: cards if they needed me, but I refused to have 825 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: an IFB. So I just I just love that, Yes, 826 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: that show. Back then, I didn't really know who I was, 827 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 1: but um, but I was in the moment and present 828 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: and tried to be kind and tried to have some 829 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: fun and do some good. All right, one, we're quite 830 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: a taste for water. Yeah. How does Ricky Lake want 831 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:13,280 Speaker 1: to be remembered? My goodness? Um has a good time. 832 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: I'm a good time I am when Yeah, I mean 833 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: want you know, I want my legacy, Like it makes 834 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: me happiest when people recognize me and know my work 835 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: from the work I do with Abbey, the Business of 836 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: Being Born. These documentaries I believe are changing the world, 837 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,359 Speaker 1: making the world a better place, and they're the most 838 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 1: personal projects, and they take a lot of work, a 839 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: lot of effort, and I'm really proud of you. You 840 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: have shifted some culture. We have we have. Thank you, 841 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: thank you so much, thank you so much. What can 842 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: the documentaries be seeing. Yes, we're streaming. You can pre 843 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 1: order now at the Business of birth Control dot com. 844 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: We're self releasing it, so I don't have a big 845 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: studio behind us. You just go to the Business of 846 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: birth Control dot com and it's going to be streaming. 847 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: Aprilife all right, and the Ricky Lake Raids by Ricky 848 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 1: podcast starting October twenty twenty two, available everywhere you listen 849 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: to podcast. Yeah, exactly. Alright, Well, thank you club, thank 850 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 1: you Ricky Lake, thank you Abby, thank you. Got your pleasure.