WEBVTT - #442 Packers Unscripted: Difference-makers 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:20.160 Yeah, Hi everyone. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:24.480 I am Mike Spofford, joined alongside my trusted colleague West Hodkuits. 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:27.320 We're coming to you here from our studios at lambeau 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:29.760 Field and West. It's a short week, which means that 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:34.040 Packers Eagles on Thursday night football is almost here already 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:38.800 it's Wednesday, and that means we're already to our Keys 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:42.440 to Victory show because the game is on the horizon. 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:44.080 I don't know where you want to start with this one, 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:47.440 Packers offense, Packers defense. What's it gonna take to win 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:48.960 this one and get to four? And oh well, let's 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:51.080 actually go off of what you wrote last night on 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:53.720 Packers dot Com. As we're taping the show Wednesday. You 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:58.080 wrote Tuesday night about this offense and Aaron Rodgers feeling 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:00.520 like this is time, you know, to get the is clicking. 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:02.960 You're getting to that fourth, that fourth game of the 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.920 regular season, unmost at preseason that and you want to 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:07.720 be able to finally get into a rhythm. They want 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:11.280 to get Davante Adams more opportunities. You've seen flashes of it. 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:13.279 I think throughout these first three games, and I honestly 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:17.280 think you've seen a lot of progress too, but finding momentum. 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:20.000 And the reason I say that specifically with this game 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:23.959 is because there does appear to be an opportunity with 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:27.319 this Philadelphia passing defense right now. Ronald Darby has the 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:30.399 hamstring injury. They are really beat up in the secondary. 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:33.959 So while they are very stout against the run, and 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:36.319 you know the way their penetration works, it is going 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:38.880 to be difficult to get things going that way. I 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:40.840 think there is a real chance in this game for 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:43.559 Aaron Rodgers in the passing game to get into some rhythm. Yeah. 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:47.440 I don't like to declare a game on a short 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:50.160 week is any kind of a barometer for anything, because 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:54.040 these quick turnarounds and everything, you just never know what's 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:57.000 going to happen in a Thursday night game. But I 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:00.440 agree with you that there is potentially an opera tunity 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.520 here for the passing game. Because the Eagles are banged 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:07.160 up on defense. Their defensive front only has two sacks 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:10.280 thus far, they are ranked near the bottom of the 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:13.519 league and passing yards allowed. If there's a game for 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.840 this Packers offense to hit on some explosive plays in 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:20.520 the passing game, and really try to generate some momentum 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:25.240 here with Aaron Rodgers and Matt Lafleur's offense. I think 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:28.200 I think this is the one, even though I hesitate 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:30.960 to say that because you just played a game a 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:33.640 couple of days ago and you just physically it's always 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:35.480 hard to say just where the players are going to 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.080 be on a Thursday night game. Absolutely, and and not 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:40.600 that you can never draw any parallels between three years 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:43.520 ago and today. But one of my big guys for 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:45.600 this matchup, I think is Davante Adams. I mean, he 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:48.000 had sort of his coming out party against the Eagles 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:51.000 and during that run the table in two thousand sixteen 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:53.160 where it's like, Okay, this guy that Monday night game 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:55.400 in Philly that started that run, Yeah, this guy is 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:57.280 going to be one of the league's elite. I mean, 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:58.640 he's going to be a cut above. I mean, you 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:00.400 go back to that game. Five catch is a hundred 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:02.880 and thirteen yards, two touchdowns, and that was one of 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:04.600 you know, that was a defense that was on the 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:07.520 precipice of being really special. Now they're a bit older 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:09.040 now when you look at the Eagles, there was one 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:12.120 stat I was looking at I think they have something 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.480 like is it nine or ten guys that are above 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.600 twenty nine years old or something like that on that defense, 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:19.480 And you know there is something to be said for that. 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:21.600 You can win with a veteran scheme, but you know 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:23.919 a lot of times that means a tick slower. So 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:27.280 I just a lot has been made this past week 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:29.880 in particular about Adams and his touches and his catches 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.920 and all that, you know, targets. The realistic thing is is, 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:35.680 you know last year he did have a hundred and 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:39.400 eleven catches. I don't think you can always just be anticipating, 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:43.920 anticipating a guy's gonna dominate that much offensively, because it 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:45.520 is a chess game. I mean, there's going to be 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:47.840 counters to that. We're seeing some that early this season. 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.640 That being said, I'm very intrigued what the Packers could 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.280 do with him moving forward, how you move him around. 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:55.960 We've seen him in the slot already, we saw him 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.800 in the backfield once. I just think we're getting really 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:01.520 close here to one of those big Davantae Adam breakout games. 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.320 Even fifteen catches hud ninety yards, that's nothing to you know, 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:07.720 bat your eye at. I mean that's still on pace 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:09.800 for seventy or whatever it is for the season over 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.440 a thousand yards. But I just feel like that big 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.600 Davantae Adams game is coming and this could be one 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:17.440 that potentially him and Aaron Rodgers find it. Yeah. Well, 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:20.240 I looked up some stats with regards to Adams. He 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:22.880 does not have does does not have a touchdown yet 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.880 this season, and the last time he had gone three 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:29.240 straight games without a touchdown catch you have to go 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:31.680 all the way back to when he was when he 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:35.320 was playing hurt. And actually the last time he's he 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:38.159 had even gone back to back games without a touchdown catch, 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:40.440 you have to go back to the first two games 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:44.160 that Aaron Rodgers missed in after the broken collar bone 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:46.760 for him to even go to straight games without a touchdown. 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:49.520 So I agree with you, maybe we're on the verge 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:53.039 of a breakout here because Davantae Adams is just that 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.440 good and you can't keep a player that good down 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:58.800 for that long. The other thing I will say offensively 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.880 with regards to this game is we had talked about 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:04.640 in the Denver game, and Aaron Rodgers made a point 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:07.240 of it, obviously about how well the offensive line played 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:09.680 keeping him clean. He only took the one hit the 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:13.760 whole game, no sacks all of that. As I mentioned before, 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:17.440 this Philadelphia Eagles defensive front only has two sacks thus far. 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:21.400 Jim Schwartz their defensive coordinator. If there is a guy 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:25.400 with a reputation as a gambler as a defensive coordinator, 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:28.840 it's Jim Schwartz. And you combine that mentality with the 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.360 fact that the Eagles are coming into lambeau Field at 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.520 one and two, desperate almost in a sense, to at 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:37.000 least get to the five mark at the quarter pole 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:38.840 this season. To win this game and get to two 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.719 and two. Jim Schwartz might be taking some chances in 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:44.159 this game, and that puts a big premium on the 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.200 Packers offensive line to figure out where the blitzer are 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:50.000 coming from, to pick things up, and to have as 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:52.040 solid a game in front of Aaron Rodgers as they 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.680 had last week. It's an excellent point, Mike, because what's 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:57.520 the number one thing A lot of defensive coordinators are 0:05:57.520 --> 0:05:59.039 prone to do when they're beat up in the second 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:00.600 are or maybe they don't have the depth that they 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:03.320 want their start throwing more of the kitchen sinks at 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.920 offensive fronts. This could definitely be that type of thing, especially, 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.400 I mean it is sort of a chicken and an egg, 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.039 and it is a dangerous proposition, you know, to be 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:14.680 going with five, six and even occasionally a seven man 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.880 blitz front. You can't live in those packages, but they 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.719 can give you problems in the interim. So and with 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.120 as much as the package have struggled on third downs 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:25.760 that you know Jim Schwartz might be looking at third 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:28.320 down says, Hey, these are the opportunities not just to 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:31.120 get stops, but to make the plays that can change 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.520 the game. I just think he might be coming into 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:35.520 this game with that type of mental Yeah. And it's 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:37.839 interesting too because that type of mentality, there is a 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:41.120 CounterPunch to that as well. Right you start sending more guys, 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:43.400 maybe that frees up Davantie Adams in one on one. 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:46.000 You can see what Marquez Velde, Scantling and two of 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.400 these first three games can do downfield when he gets 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:51.040 one on one coverage and gets behind a secondary, he 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:54.320 gets behind a safety. Uh. Danny Vitality I talked about 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:56.360 it in on our Three Things video with John and Larry. 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:59.240 I felt like that twenty seven yard wheel route We 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:01.040 all laughed about the fact that it was a couple 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:03.279 inches shy the end zone, but I thought that was 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:06.200 really important to put on film because now inside linebackers 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.400 and safeties have to be cognizant of where he is 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:10.840 when he's trickling out of the backfield. You had Jamal 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.760 Williams coming underneath. I get what the stats are with 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:15.840 the Packers offense right now, but I just I do 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:19.320 like that they've shown these different facets of it, and 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.080 these are all the things that when Schwartz devises his 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.080 game plan that he's going to have to take into 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:26.760 account for exactly how he wants to attack this offense. YEA, 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:29.680 all right, Well, before we move on to the Packers defense, 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:33.040 a little bit of sponsor business. Select Cousin Subs locations 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:36.560 are now offering delivery. Whether you're ordering catering or your 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.240 favorite sub, They're delivering right to you when you order 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:43.480 online at Cousin Subs dot Com. Cousin Subs. We believe 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:48.480 in better okay, defensively here for the Packers west um 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:53.680 eight takeaways twelve sacks in the first three games by 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:57.200 Mike Patton's crew. If you can keep up that kind 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.440 of a pace. And that's saying a lot. But if 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.960 you can keep up that kind of a pace, boy, 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:04.400 that that goes a long way to chalking up victors. Yeah. 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:05.760 You know, if you end up leading the league and 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:08.720 takeaways and your second and sacks and in third and 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:11.560 points allow, our second points allowed, that is going to 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.160 go a long way and winning ball games. But this 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.560 is what is really important there. They're two big components 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.320 to this. For the defense, they have to stay healthy. 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.920 It has to stay healthy. I mean, the way that 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:27.040 they're performing right now, this has a real opportunity for 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.920 to be a special unit. I mean I wrote about 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:31.800 it earlier this week. We didn't really have a chance 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:33.240 to talk about it because it didn't really come up. 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:35.920 But you know, I put in my my locker room 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.760 report on Sunday about you know, everything just has gone 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.680 right for these guys, right, and everybody's so happy. But 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.000 it wasn't always that way, right. I Mean you heard 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:46.320 a lot of things that Aaron Rodgers said throughout the 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:49.280 preseason in training camp, and then they go into Baltimore 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:51.679 and Lamar Jackson and the Ravens kind of run over 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.679 them a little bit, and the veterans on that team 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.480 not one particular player, Basically a veteran from each group 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.120 pulled those guys together. They flew back from Baltimore at 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.079 three o'clock in the morning, sat down here at Lambeu 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.240 Field and reviewed the film the twenty two snaps that 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:07.680 they played because they all wanted to communicate what each 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.120 other was thinking when they missed the tackle or Mr Reid. 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:13.719 There's just so much synergy with this defense right now 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.800 that you know, you heard the story about Zadarius taking 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:20.800 out the starting the entire defense for dinner last week, 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.520 and it wasn't just about going and hey, I'm a captain, 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:26.080 I gotta lead. It was you know, we're gonna go 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:28.440 talk football, We're gonna put up a projector and watch 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:30.880 Thursday night football. We're gonna just, you know, try to 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.920 get to know each other better. If you keep those 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:36.720 pieces healthy, Mike, I just think that you're gonna have 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.560 ebbs and flows to a season. But the most impressive 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.400 thing to me right now, when I see Zadarius Smith, 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:44.280 when I see Preston Smith, when I see Adrian Name 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:47.760 is these guys aren't looking for stats to validate contracts. 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:49.319 It doesn't matter if they get a sack. Or not. 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:51.800 Doesn't matter if they getting interception or not. The way 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:55.840 that they're performing is making the defense better. Now the 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:58.480 stats are the end product of that. But I just 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:00.920 when I see these guys playing, thought that, oh they 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:02.920 need to go get a sack to to do It's 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:06.200 what they're doing every single play to affect the play. 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:08.840 If you keep those eleven guys you know on the 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:13.439 field together, watch out. Yeah. Well, here's here's my question 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:15.679 right now with regards to the Packers defense. And I'm 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:19.679 not sure. I just don't know that much about Philadelphia's 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:22.680 offense and where they are right now because of the 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.559 injuries they've had at wide receiver and everything else. But 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.800 the last two opponents the Packers have faced have run 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.040 the ball pretty well. We saw Dalvin Cook with the 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:34.040 seventy five yard touched on right and had about a 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:37.240 hundred and fifty yard game. Philip Lindsay and Royce Freeman 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:39.920 combined for about a hundred and sixty yards rushing. Now, 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.319 they didn't have any explosives. They ran the ball I 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:44.880 think it was thirty six thirty eight times something like that. 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.360 So they just kept grinding away at you know, four 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:51.800 or five yards a crack what does the Packers defense 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:56.200 need to do to not let the opposing team's ground game, 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.040 you know, dictate things, maybe quite so much as what 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:00.920 we've seen the last two You have to win up 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.120 front and in the trenches. And I think this is 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:05.560 the one thing that's been sort of the drawback here 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:08.400 for Green Bay is that three man rush and dime 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:11.080 packages has been exceptional. They're getting more pressure out of 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.160 that package than any other time than I can remember. 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:15.960 When they go four man rush. They can win with 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.000 even fronts. You've seen some of the you know, the 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:22.600 Saber metric kind of you know, next gen stats talking 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:24.960 about how much the Packers are winning without having to 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:28.600 send the blitzer. But the other thing, the other component 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.400 about this is gap integrity, in making sure that you 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:34.559 hold up, you know, your edges, and in not allowing 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:38.720 guys to seep through. That was I thought, honestly against Minnesota, 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:40.319 I thought they played pretty well. They gave up the 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:42.280 seventy five yard but for the most part, I felt 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:45.200 like they contained it. The one thing that was tough 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.480 about that game against the Broncos is whether it was 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:50.000 Freeman or whether it was Lindsay, they just were able 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:52.160 to extend runs a yard or two more than you 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:55.280 wanted them to. They didn't get those tackles for loss 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:56.840 as much as they need to. They didn't get as 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.840 many of those second and nine situations. Just always seem 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:01.920 like they're sitting in second and six, third and five, 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.120 and that makes it a little bit more difficult in 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:07.160 terms of trying to stop them on third down. I 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:09.559 think the key is being able to close that up. 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:11.760 Now They've had some moving parts. You had b J. 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.200 Goodson jumping in there now after he got you know, 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:17.560 traded to Green Bay at the beginning of September. Uh. Certainly, 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.200 you know Raven Green who I thought played exceptional in 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.480 that game against Chicago, while he's out of the equation 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.120 now for at least the next eight weeks depending on 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:28.360 how that plays out for his ankle injury. So I 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:30.720 just think if you get back to playing the run 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:32.360 that these the way that they feel that they can 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:34.439 play it, there is an opportunity here because Miles Sanders 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:36.840 and Jordan Howard are off to a slow start too. Yeah, 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.679 it was interesting. I went through the defensive film against 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:44.680 the Denver Broncos and it reinforced for me how much 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:48.760 of a team effort run defense is in this league 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:53.000 because when the Broncos were getting some I won't won't 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:55.560 say explosive runs, but when they were getting those seven 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:57.440 and eight yard runs, the ones you were talking about, 0:12:57.440 --> 0:12:59.840 they're going to move the chains, run yeah, the yard 0:12:59.920 --> 0:13:03.040 or too you know, farther than you want. It was 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.480 it was just one guy. You know. It was one 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:08.920 play where Dean Lowry maybe gets shoved out of his 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:11.040 gap a little bit too far. There's one play where 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:13.959 Kenny Clark gets double team and kind of gets spun 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.880 around and then the running back runs right past him. 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:19.559 You know, another play, maybe it's you know, maybe it's 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.760 Blake Martinez or b J Goodson, you know, getting getting 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:24.720 caught up in the wash, so to speak, in the 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:28.320 middle of things. All it takes is one guy being 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:32.160 not quite in the right position and then Lindsay and 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:34.559 Freeman were taking advantage of that. They had the vision 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:36.439 to see where it was and then boom they hit 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:37.920 it and and you know they get an eight or 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.520 a nine yard run or something like that. It just goes. 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:42.920 It just goes to show how much of a collective 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:46.120 effort run defense is. And you have that, you have 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:49.040 that one little breakdown and suddenly another team can start 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:51.720 to move the chains and control the tempo with the 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:53.480 ground game. The other part of it, of course, is 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:57.079 that because the Packers offense hasn't quite found its footing. 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:00.880 If the Packers offense is doing what you're hoping that 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:02.960 they can do through the second and third quarters of 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:05.199 that game, then maybe the Broncos can't stick with the 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:08.520 run quite as long to stay to stay in the game. 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:10.800 I was sort of surprised how they did stick with it, 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:14.560 though they did. They stuck with it the two scores 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:16.040 in the fourth quarter. I was like, Okay, well now 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:19.280 they're gonna they kept and they kept running it. But yeah, 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.760 but the score is to ten in the third quarter, 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:24.000 and they put together the long drive, they got the 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:27.600 touchdown on the fourth and goal. They were still using 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.360 the running game at that point. If you know, if 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:33.360 the Packers offense does one more thing prior to that 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:35.720 and maybe makes it a three score game in the 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.560 second half, if you're up by seventeen instead of by fourteen, 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:42.160 then that changes how the opposing offensive coordinator looks at 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.720 things as well. So all all of this stuff goes 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.320 hand in hand. But uh um, but really it just 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:49.640 seemed like against the Broncos, if there was one guy 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.000 who got shoved out of a gap or something, boom 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:55.120 like that's where they hit it. And uh, um Packer. 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:57.640 It's it's just every guy has to really be on 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:00.360 top of his game when you're facing these good running Yeah, 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:02.520 and I tipped my cab to you know, Tyler Lancaster 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:04.920 and Fidel Brown and obviously the rotation they had going 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:06.560 in with that bass. But I mean they did lose 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:09.280 Montrevias Adams for that game with the shoulder. You're probably 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.160 not going to get him back for this one. He's 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:13.800 been estimated as a d MP this week, I think, 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.400 and Trevius has played really well and I like him 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:18.120 in that role because he's sort of a clog, you know, 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:21.480 he's he clogged stuff. But yet either's some athleticism there too. 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.200 Uh that that's I feel like very subtly, that's that's 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:26.760 been a little bit of a loss there. So you're 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.240 gonna need guys to step up in those moments. And 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.440 the other thing is too, I mean, just get back 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:33.920 to your fundamentals, right, I mean, it's the game tackling. 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:36.000 It's not allowing guys to you know, break it along 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.640 the sidelines when a guy gets out. Um. That was 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:40.280 one of the things I did think that Denver did 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.680 really well. It wasn't just the between the tackle stuff. 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:44.880 They got guys open in space and made people miss. 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:48.640 Now there's a guy on Philadelphia side that's thirty six 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:50.280 years old and he's been doing this for a long 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:53.360 time in Darren Sprawls that the Packers are well familiar with. 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:55.640 And that's another player in this game I think they're 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:57.760 gonna have to be cognizant of. I think you look 0:15:57.800 --> 0:15:59.760 at zach Ertz, he's off to a slower start than 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.400 he was last year. But that's a big wind condition 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:05.800 there for for Carson Wentz. So well, you're probably not 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:07.960 going to see de Shan Jackson and el Shan Jeffrey 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.400 is gonna be coming back. Um, so there will be 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:13.600 that component to it. There are a lot of players 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:15.400 that I feel I can still be dangerous for this 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:18.200 Eagles offense, and with Carson Wentz behind the controls, you 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.560 can overlook it. Yeah, all right, Well, before we go here, West, 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:26.400 anybody who's kind of your behind the scenes potential unsung hero, 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:29.400 the guy nobody's talking about in this matchup that maybe 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.240 shows up and makes a big player does something big 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.160 on Thursday night. I think Robert Tanian's right there, and 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:38.200 we're gonna see exactly what happens with Jimmy Graham. He's 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.480 dealing with a growing in a quad injury right now. 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:44.600 Was estimated as a non participate Monday, was then upgraded 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:47.400 to limited, so we'll see exactly where he is at. 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.960 But man, I just think the narrative changes a hundred 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.720 You know, if you're able to catch that forty three 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.680 yard or there, Tanian doesn't kind of you know, press 0:16:57.760 --> 0:16:59.800 the break a little bit and then close to the 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:01.720 after looking for it. If you're able to keep that 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.360 in stride, I think that would have been a really 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:06.399 explosive play, not only for the offense, but for that 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:09.480 tight end position group tany and there. I think there's 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:11.960 gonna be opportunities for him in this game. I think 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:14.280 the way that the defense is constructed with Schwartz, you 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.280 can win in the middle of the field. So I 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:17.840 guess if I had to pick one, I'm not saying 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:19.320 he's gonna have a hundred yards. You don't need a 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:21.080 hundred yards, but I mean you get that twenty eight 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:22.720 yard catch like he did a couple of weeks ago 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:24.879 that can open up a drive that can make all 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:26.760 the difference. Yeah, the guy I'm going to keep an 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.120 eye on, and this one I think is Tremont Williams. 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:34.160 And I say that for mainly this reason. Adrian am 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.520 has had the pick in week one, Kevin King had 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:39.440 the pick in week two, Darnell Savage has a pick 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.840 in week three, and Jr. Alexander has the strip fumble recovery. 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:45.760 So which guy who's playing a lot of snaps in 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.600 the secondary? Whose turn is it? Right? It's Tremont Williams, 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:51.480 So go, I'll go. I'll go with him. He's a 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:55.119 he's a guy that, uh you know, he's such a 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:58.879 glue guy in sense for for the secondary, and we 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.119 haven't seen him make any big plays yet, and I 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:03.520 just think, you know, maybe it's time for number thirty 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:05.479 eight to show up. I do have to slightly disagree 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:07.359 with I mean, the play against Allen Robinson was pretty, 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.480 but it wasn't a takeaway, right, it wasn't a turn overplay. 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:12.640 But yes, you're right, that play, that play in week 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:15.280 one down the sideline against Chicago, that was a big 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:17.520 time play by the veteran, not to correct you, but yeah, 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:20.520 in terms of takeaways, he's still looking for that. The 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:22.600 other thing I gotta just touch on really quickly here, 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:25.840 Zach Ertz is a problem. And you know, not just 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:28.480 for the Packers, for the NFL. You saw that last season. 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.320 The guy, the guy's a matchup issue that needs to 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:33.320 stay up on him. You know, Blake Martinez was talking. 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:35.920 He saw plenty of him in college. So whether it's Martinez, 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:38.800 whether it's Tremon, whether it's Adrian Amos or maybe even 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:41.119