1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, Hi everyone. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, joined alongside my trusted colleague West Hodkuits. 3 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: We're coming to you here from our studios at lambeau 4 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: Field and West. It's a short week, which means that 5 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: Packers Eagles on Thursday night football is almost here already 6 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: it's Wednesday, and that means we're already to our Keys 7 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: to Victory show because the game is on the horizon. 8 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: I don't know where you want to start with this one, 9 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: Packers offense, Packers defense. What's it gonna take to win 10 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: this one and get to four? And oh well, let's 11 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: actually go off of what you wrote last night on 12 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. As we're taping the show Wednesday. You 13 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: wrote Tuesday night about this offense and Aaron Rodgers feeling 14 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: like this is time, you know, to get the is clicking. 15 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: You're getting to that fourth, that fourth game of the 16 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: regular season, unmost at preseason that and you want to 17 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: be able to finally get into a rhythm. They want 18 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: to get Davante Adams more opportunities. You've seen flashes of it. 19 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,279 Speaker 1: I think throughout these first three games, and I honestly 20 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: think you've seen a lot of progress too, but finding momentum. 21 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: And the reason I say that specifically with this game 22 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: is because there does appear to be an opportunity with 23 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: this Philadelphia passing defense right now. Ronald Darby has the 24 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: hamstring injury. They are really beat up in the secondary. 25 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: So while they are very stout against the run, and 26 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: you know the way their penetration works, it is going 27 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: to be difficult to get things going that way. I 28 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: think there is a real chance in this game for 29 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers in the passing game to get into some rhythm. Yeah. 30 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: I don't like to declare a game on a short 31 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: week is any kind of a barometer for anything, because 32 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: these quick turnarounds and everything, you just never know what's 33 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: going to happen in a Thursday night game. But I 34 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: agree with you that there is potentially an opera tunity 35 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: here for the passing game. Because the Eagles are banged 36 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: up on defense. Their defensive front only has two sacks 37 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: thus far, they are ranked near the bottom of the 38 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 1: league and passing yards allowed. If there's a game for 39 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: this Packers offense to hit on some explosive plays in 40 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: the passing game, and really try to generate some momentum 41 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: here with Aaron Rodgers and Matt Lafleur's offense. I think 42 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: I think this is the one, even though I hesitate 43 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: to say that because you just played a game a 44 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: couple of days ago and you just physically it's always 45 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: hard to say just where the players are going to 46 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: be on a Thursday night game. Absolutely, and and not 47 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: that you can never draw any parallels between three years 48 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: ago and today. But one of my big guys for 49 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: this matchup, I think is Davante Adams. I mean, he 50 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: had sort of his coming out party against the Eagles 51 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: and during that run the table in two thousand sixteen 52 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: where it's like, Okay, this guy that Monday night game 53 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: in Philly that started that run, Yeah, this guy is 54 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: going to be one of the league's elite. I mean, 55 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: he's going to be a cut above. I mean, you 56 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: go back to that game. Five catch is a hundred 57 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: and thirteen yards, two touchdowns, and that was one of 58 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: you know, that was a defense that was on the 59 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: precipice of being really special. Now they're a bit older 60 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: now when you look at the Eagles, there was one 61 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: stat I was looking at I think they have something 62 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: like is it nine or ten guys that are above 63 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: twenty nine years old or something like that on that defense, 64 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: And you know there is something to be said for that. 65 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: You can win with a veteran scheme, but you know 66 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: a lot of times that means a tick slower. So 67 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: I just a lot has been made this past week 68 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: in particular about Adams and his touches and his catches 69 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: and all that, you know, targets. The realistic thing is is, 70 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: you know last year he did have a hundred and 71 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: eleven catches. I don't think you can always just be anticipating, 72 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: anticipating a guy's gonna dominate that much offensively, because it 73 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: is a chess game. I mean, there's going to be 74 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: counters to that. We're seeing some that early this season. 75 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: That being said, I'm very intrigued what the Packers could 76 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: do with him moving forward, how you move him around. 77 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: We've seen him in the slot already, we saw him 78 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: in the backfield once. I just think we're getting really 79 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: close here to one of those big Davantae Adam breakout games. 80 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: Even fifteen catches hud ninety yards, that's nothing to you know, 81 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: bat your eye at. I mean that's still on pace 82 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: for seventy or whatever it is for the season over 83 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: a thousand yards. But I just feel like that big 84 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: Davantae Adams game is coming and this could be one 85 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: that potentially him and Aaron Rodgers find it. Yeah. Well, 86 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: I looked up some stats with regards to Adams. He 87 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: does not have does does not have a touchdown yet 88 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: this season, and the last time he had gone three 89 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: straight games without a touchdown catch you have to go 90 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: all the way back to when he was when he 91 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: was playing hurt. And actually the last time he's he 92 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: had even gone back to back games without a touchdown catch, 93 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: you have to go back to the first two games 94 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: that Aaron Rodgers missed in after the broken collar bone 95 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: for him to even go to straight games without a touchdown. 96 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: So I agree with you, maybe we're on the verge 97 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: of a breakout here because Davantae Adams is just that 98 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: good and you can't keep a player that good down 99 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: for that long. The other thing I will say offensively 100 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: with regards to this game is we had talked about 101 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: in the Denver game, and Aaron Rodgers made a point 102 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: of it, obviously about how well the offensive line played 103 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: keeping him clean. He only took the one hit the 104 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: whole game, no sacks all of that. As I mentioned before, 105 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: this Philadelphia Eagles defensive front only has two sacks thus far. 106 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: Jim Schwartz their defensive coordinator. If there is a guy 107 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: with a reputation as a gambler as a defensive coordinator, 108 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: it's Jim Schwartz. And you combine that mentality with the 109 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: fact that the Eagles are coming into lambeau Field at 110 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: one and two, desperate almost in a sense, to at 111 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: least get to the five mark at the quarter pole 112 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: this season. To win this game and get to two 113 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: and two. Jim Schwartz might be taking some chances in 114 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: this game, and that puts a big premium on the 115 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: Packers offensive line to figure out where the blitzer are 116 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: coming from, to pick things up, and to have as 117 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: solid a game in front of Aaron Rodgers as they 118 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: had last week. It's an excellent point, Mike, because what's 119 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: the number one thing A lot of defensive coordinators are 120 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: prone to do when they're beat up in the second 121 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: are or maybe they don't have the depth that they 122 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: want their start throwing more of the kitchen sinks at 123 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: offensive fronts. This could definitely be that type of thing, especially, 124 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: I mean it is sort of a chicken and an egg, 125 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: and it is a dangerous proposition, you know, to be 126 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: going with five, six and even occasionally a seven man 127 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: blitz front. You can't live in those packages, but they 128 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: can give you problems in the interim. So and with 129 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: as much as the package have struggled on third downs 130 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: that you know Jim Schwartz might be looking at third 131 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: down says, Hey, these are the opportunities not just to 132 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: get stops, but to make the plays that can change 133 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: the game. I just think he might be coming into 134 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: this game with that type of mental Yeah. And it's 135 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: interesting too because that type of mentality, there is a 136 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: CounterPunch to that as well. Right you start sending more guys, 137 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: maybe that frees up Davantie Adams in one on one. 138 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: You can see what Marquez Velde, Scantling and two of 139 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: these first three games can do downfield when he gets 140 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: one on one coverage and gets behind a secondary, he 141 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: gets behind a safety. Uh. Danny Vitality I talked about 142 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: it in on our Three Things video with John and Larry. 143 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: I felt like that twenty seven yard wheel route We 144 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: all laughed about the fact that it was a couple 145 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: inches shy the end zone, but I thought that was 146 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: really important to put on film because now inside linebackers 147 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: and safeties have to be cognizant of where he is 148 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: when he's trickling out of the backfield. You had Jamal 149 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: Williams coming underneath. I get what the stats are with 150 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: the Packers offense right now, but I just I do 151 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: like that they've shown these different facets of it, and 152 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: these are all the things that when Schwartz devises his 153 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: game plan that he's going to have to take into 154 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: account for exactly how he wants to attack this offense. YEA, 155 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: all right, Well, before we move on to the Packers defense, 156 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: a little bit of sponsor business. Select Cousin Subs locations 157 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: are now offering delivery. 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Yeah. 166 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: You know, if you end up leading the league and 167 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: takeaways and your second and sacks and in third and 168 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: points allow, our second points allowed, that is going to 169 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: go a long way and winning ball games. But this 170 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: is what is really important there. They're two big components 171 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: to this. For the defense, they have to stay healthy. 172 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: It has to stay healthy. I mean, the way that 173 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: they're performing right now, this has a real opportunity for 174 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: to be a special unit. I mean I wrote about 175 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: it earlier this week. We didn't really have a chance 176 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: to talk about it because it didn't really come up. 177 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: But you know, I put in my my locker room 178 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: report on Sunday about you know, everything just has gone 179 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: right for these guys, right, and everybody's so happy. But 180 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: it wasn't always that way, right. I Mean you heard 181 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: a lot of things that Aaron Rodgers said throughout the 182 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: preseason in training camp, and then they go into Baltimore 183 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: and Lamar Jackson and the Ravens kind of run over 184 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: them a little bit, and the veterans on that team 185 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: not one particular player, Basically a veteran from each group 186 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: pulled those guys together. They flew back from Baltimore at 187 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: three o'clock in the morning, sat down here at Lambeu 188 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: Field and reviewed the film the twenty two snaps that 189 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: they played because they all wanted to communicate what each 190 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: other was thinking when they missed the tackle or Mr Reid. 191 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 1: There's just so much synergy with this defense right now 192 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: that you know, you heard the story about Zadarius taking 193 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: out the starting the entire defense for dinner last week, 194 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: and it wasn't just about going and hey, I'm a captain, 195 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: I gotta lead. It was you know, we're gonna go 196 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: talk football, We're gonna put up a projector and watch 197 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: Thursday night football. We're gonna just, you know, try to 198 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: get to know each other better. If you keep those 199 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: pieces healthy, Mike, I just think that you're gonna have 200 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: ebbs and flows to a season. But the most impressive 201 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: thing to me right now, when I see Zadarius Smith, 202 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: when I see Preston Smith, when I see Adrian Name 203 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: is these guys aren't looking for stats to validate contracts. 204 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if they get a sack. Or not. 205 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: Doesn't matter if they getting interception or not. The way 206 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: that they're performing is making the defense better. Now the 207 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: stats are the end product of that. But I just 208 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: when I see these guys playing, thought that, oh they 209 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: need to go get a sack to to do It's 210 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: what they're doing every single play to affect the play. 211 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: If you keep those eleven guys you know on the 212 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: field together, watch out. Yeah. Well, here's here's my question 213 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: right now with regards to the Packers defense. And I'm 214 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: not sure. I just don't know that much about Philadelphia's 215 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: offense and where they are right now because of the 216 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: injuries they've had at wide receiver and everything else. But 217 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: the last two opponents the Packers have faced have run 218 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: the ball pretty well. We saw Dalvin Cook with the 219 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: seventy five yard touched on right and had about a 220 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yard game. Philip Lindsay and Royce Freeman 221 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: combined for about a hundred and sixty yards rushing. Now, 222 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: they didn't have any explosives. They ran the ball I 223 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: think it was thirty six thirty eight times something like that. 224 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: So they just kept grinding away at you know, four 225 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: or five yards a crack what does the Packers defense 226 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: need to do to not let the opposing team's ground game, 227 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, dictate things, maybe quite so much as what 228 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: we've seen the last two You have to win up 229 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: front and in the trenches. And I think this is 230 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: the one thing that's been sort of the drawback here 231 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: for Green Bay is that three man rush and dime 232 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: packages has been exceptional. They're getting more pressure out of 233 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: that package than any other time than I can remember. 234 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: When they go four man rush. They can win with 235 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: even fronts. You've seen some of the you know, the 236 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: Saber metric kind of you know, next gen stats talking 237 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: about how much the Packers are winning without having to 238 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: send the blitzer. But the other thing, the other component 239 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: about this is gap integrity, in making sure that you 240 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: hold up, you know, your edges, and in not allowing 241 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: guys to seep through. That was I thought, honestly against Minnesota, 242 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 1: I thought they played pretty well. They gave up the 243 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: seventy five yard but for the most part, I felt 244 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: like they contained it. The one thing that was tough 245 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: about that game against the Broncos is whether it was 246 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: Freeman or whether it was Lindsay, they just were able 247 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: to extend runs a yard or two more than you 248 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: wanted them to. They didn't get those tackles for loss 249 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: as much as they need to. They didn't get as 250 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: many of those second and nine situations. Just always seem 251 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: like they're sitting in second and six, third and five, 252 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: and that makes it a little bit more difficult in 253 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: terms of trying to stop them on third down. I 254 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 1: think the key is being able to close that up. 255 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: Now They've had some moving parts. You had b J. 256 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: Goodson jumping in there now after he got you know, 257 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: traded to Green Bay at the beginning of September. Uh. Certainly, 258 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: you know Raven Green who I thought played exceptional in 259 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: that game against Chicago, while he's out of the equation 260 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: now for at least the next eight weeks depending on 261 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: how that plays out for his ankle injury. So I 262 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: just think if you get back to playing the run 263 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: that these the way that they feel that they can 264 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 1: play it, there is an opportunity here because Miles Sanders 265 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: and Jordan Howard are off to a slow start too. Yeah, 266 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: it was interesting. I went through the defensive film against 267 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos and it reinforced for me how much 268 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: of a team effort run defense is in this league 269 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: because when the Broncos were getting some I won't won't 270 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: say explosive runs, but when they were getting those seven 271 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: and eight yard runs, the ones you were talking about, 272 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: they're going to move the chains, run yeah, the yard 273 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: or too you know, farther than you want. It was 274 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: it was just one guy. You know. It was one 275 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: play where Dean Lowry maybe gets shoved out of his 276 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: gap a little bit too far. There's one play where 277 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: Kenny Clark gets double team and kind of gets spun 278 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: around and then the running back runs right past him. 279 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 1: You know, another play, maybe it's you know, maybe it's 280 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: Blake Martinez or b J Goodson, you know, getting getting 281 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: caught up in the wash, so to speak, in the 282 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: middle of things. All it takes is one guy being 283 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: not quite in the right position and then Lindsay and 284 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 1: Freeman were taking advantage of that. They had the vision 285 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 1: to see where it was and then boom they hit 286 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: it and and you know they get an eight or 287 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: a nine yard run or something like that. It just goes. 288 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: It just goes to show how much of a collective 289 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: effort run defense is. And you have that, you have 290 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: that one little breakdown and suddenly another team can start 291 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: to move the chains and control the tempo with the 292 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: ground game. The other part of it, of course, is 293 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 1: that because the Packers offense hasn't quite found its footing. 294 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: If the Packers offense is doing what you're hoping that 295 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: they can do through the second and third quarters of 296 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 1: that game, then maybe the Broncos can't stick with the 297 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: run quite as long to stay to stay in the game. 298 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: I was sort of surprised how they did stick with it, 299 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: though they did. They stuck with it the two scores 300 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. I was like, Okay, well now 301 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: they're gonna they kept and they kept running it. But yeah, 302 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: but the score is to ten in the third quarter, 303 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: and they put together the long drive, they got the 304 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: touchdown on the fourth and goal. They were still using 305 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: the running game at that point. If you know, if 306 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: the Packers offense does one more thing prior to that 307 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: and maybe makes it a three score game in the 308 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: second half, if you're up by seventeen instead of by fourteen, 309 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: then that changes how the opposing offensive coordinator looks at 310 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: things as well. So all all of this stuff goes 311 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: hand in hand. But uh um, but really it just 312 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: seemed like against the Broncos, if there was one guy 313 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: who got shoved out of a gap or something, boom 314 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: like that's where they hit it. And uh, um Packer. 315 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: It's it's just every guy has to really be on 316 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: top of his game when you're facing these good running Yeah, 317 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: and I tipped my cab to you know, Tyler Lancaster 318 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: and Fidel Brown and obviously the rotation they had going 319 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: in with that bass. But I mean they did lose 320 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: Montrevias Adams for that game with the shoulder. You're probably 321 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: not going to get him back for this one. He's 322 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: been estimated as a d MP this week, I think, 323 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: and Trevius has played really well and I like him 324 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: in that role because he's sort of a clog, you know, 325 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: he's he clogged stuff. But yet either's some athleticism there too. 326 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: Uh that that's I feel like very subtly, that's that's 327 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: been a little bit of a loss there. So you're 328 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: gonna need guys to step up in those moments. And 329 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: the other thing is too, I mean, just get back 330 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: to your fundamentals, right, I mean, it's the game tackling. 331 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: It's not allowing guys to you know, break it along 332 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: the sidelines when a guy gets out. Um. That was 333 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: one of the things I did think that Denver did 334 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: really well. It wasn't just the between the tackle stuff. 335 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: They got guys open in space and made people miss. 336 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: Now there's a guy on Philadelphia side that's thirty six 337 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: years old and he's been doing this for a long 338 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: time in Darren Sprawls that the Packers are well familiar with. 339 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: And that's another player in this game I think they're 340 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: gonna have to be cognizant of. I think you look 341 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: at zach Ertz, he's off to a slower start than 342 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: he was last year. But that's a big wind condition 343 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: there for for Carson Wentz. So well, you're probably not 344 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: going to see de Shan Jackson and el Shan Jeffrey 345 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: is gonna be coming back. Um, so there will be 346 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: that component to it. There are a lot of players 347 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: that I feel I can still be dangerous for this 348 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: Eagles offense, and with Carson Wentz behind the controls, you 349 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: can overlook it. Yeah, all right, Well, before we go here, West, 350 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: anybody who's kind of your behind the scenes potential unsung hero, 351 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: the guy nobody's talking about in this matchup that maybe 352 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: shows up and makes a big player does something big 353 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: on Thursday night. I think Robert Tanian's right there, and 354 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna see exactly what happens with Jimmy Graham. He's 355 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: dealing with a growing in a quad injury right now. 356 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: Was estimated as a non participate Monday, was then upgraded 357 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: to limited, so we'll see exactly where he is at. 358 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: But man, I just think the narrative changes a hundred 359 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: You know, if you're able to catch that forty three 360 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: yard or there, Tanian doesn't kind of you know, press 361 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: the break a little bit and then close to the 362 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: after looking for it. If you're able to keep that 363 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 1: in stride, I think that would have been a really 364 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: explosive play, not only for the offense, but for that 365 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: tight end position group tany and there. I think there's 366 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: gonna be opportunities for him in this game. I think 367 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: the way that the defense is constructed with Schwartz, you 368 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: can win in the middle of the field. So I 369 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: guess if I had to pick one, I'm not saying 370 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: he's gonna have a hundred yards. You don't need a 371 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: hundred yards, but I mean you get that twenty eight 372 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: yard catch like he did a couple of weeks ago 373 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: that can open up a drive that can make all 374 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: the difference. Yeah, the guy I'm going to keep an 375 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: eye on, and this one I think is Tremont Williams. 376 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: And I say that for mainly this reason. Adrian am 377 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: has had the pick in week one, Kevin King had 378 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: the pick in week two, Darnell Savage has a pick 379 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: in week three, and Jr. Alexander has the strip fumble recovery. 380 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: So which guy who's playing a lot of snaps in 381 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: the secondary? Whose turn is it? Right? It's Tremont Williams, 382 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: So go, I'll go. I'll go with him. He's a 383 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: he's a guy that, uh you know, he's such a 384 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: glue guy in sense for for the secondary, and we 385 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: haven't seen him make any big plays yet, and I 386 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: just think, you know, maybe it's time for number thirty 387 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,479 Speaker 1: eight to show up. I do have to slightly disagree 388 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: with I mean, the play against Allen Robinson was pretty, 389 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: but it wasn't a takeaway, right, it wasn't a turn overplay. 390 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: But yes, you're right, that play, that play in week 391 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: one down the sideline against Chicago, that was a big 392 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: time play by the veteran, not to correct you, but yeah, 393 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: in terms of takeaways, he's still looking for that. The 394 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: other thing I gotta just touch on really quickly here, 395 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: Zach Ertz is a problem. And you know, not just 396 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: for the Packers, for the NFL. You saw that last season. 397 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: The guy, the guy's a matchup issue that needs to 398 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: stay up on him. You know, Blake Martinez was talking. 399 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: He saw plenty of him in college. So whether it's Martinez, 400 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: whether it's Tremon, whether it's Adrian Amos or maybe even 401 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: Josh Jackson as he's rotated in in the kind of 402 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: a safety type role in the dime, whoever comes across 403 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: his coverage has to stay up on their keys because 404 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: it just he can hurt you in so many different ways. 405 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: That was such a safety blanket, not only for Nick 406 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: Foles and and Wentz, but you know, you just see 407 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: how this offense flows when he's going. He cannot let 408 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,959 Speaker 1: him get his wind in his sales there to uh, 409 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: you know, make a difference. Yeah, I agree with you. 410 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: That's one of the matchups in this game that I'm 411 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 1: I'm really interested to see just how Mike Petton decides 412 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: to play that with Earth's who does he want to 413 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: have primary responsibility on him. Is he going to keep 414 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: changing it up in terms of whether it's a linebacker 415 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: or safety or or how is he going to go 416 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: about that there? Because that is that is one guy. 417 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 1: Sprowls is obviously another one, But Art's is a guy 418 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: who's who's one of those chess piece type of players 419 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: in in the xs and ohs that that you got 420 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: to find a You got to find an answer for him, 421 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: even if it's not the same answer on every snap, 422 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: you got to find an answer for With all due 423 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: respect to Kyle Rudolph, Um, you know, they really haven't 424 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,959 Speaker 1: The Packers haven't seen like an elite type tight end 425 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: yet they missed Trey Burton in week one. Rudolph is 426 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: at that point in his career where he's not quite 427 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: as explosive as a guy like Earth's and then you 428 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: know Denver's working through the issues that they have at 429 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: that spot. So I just think this is a new element, 430 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: it's a new wrinkle, and I'm just curious to see 431 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: how the Packers contend with it. Yeah, all right, Well, 432 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: with that, we'll call it a wrap on this edition 433 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: of Packers on Scripted. Be sure to follow all of 434 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: our coverage of the team and of Thursday night's big 435 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: game from lambeau Field on Packers dot com. 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