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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in our number three Thursday edition Clay Travis Buck

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Speaker 2: Sexton Show. Encourage all of you to make sure that

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Speaker 2: miss a single moment of the program. All right, Buck,

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Speaker 2: We've got what I think it's important to know. So

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Speaker 2: let me just say this for people who are getting

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Speaker 2: in their car. There is a three o'clock press conference

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Speaker 2: from the Coastguard associated with the submersible that was attempting

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Speaker 2: to go to the to the Titanic wreckage, and they

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Speaker 2: have found a debris field somewhere in that search area.

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Speaker 2: There will be updates coming from the Coastguard at three

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Speaker 2: pm Eastern on that. Joe Biden, as we speak right now,

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Speaker 2: is having a joint news conference with the Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: of India.

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Speaker 1: We are rolling on that.

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Speaker 3: We'll see if anyone in the.

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Speaker 2: Media actually asks him questions about his son Hunter. Now,

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Speaker 2: there are lots of revelations coming out associated with a

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Speaker 2: whistleblower from the IRS, and I'm going to read some

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Speaker 2: of this to you that is now circulating. We've reached out,

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Speaker 2: I believe, is this correct, to the head of this

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Speaker 2: investigation to the congressman from Missouri to get him on

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Speaker 2: to potentially talk about this. I've been reading some of

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Speaker 2: his quotes, but this is from what they have uncovered.

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Speaker 2: An IRS whistleblower said that Hunter Biden once sent a

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Speaker 2: message demanding payment from his Chinese business associate, telling him

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting here waiting for the call with my dad,

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Speaker 2: and that the DOJ had prohibited investigators from executing a

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Speaker 2: search warrant on Joe Biden's guest house where Hunter was staying.

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Speaker 2: This is pretty blockbuster stuff. Buck listen to this. This

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Speaker 2: is a WhatsApp message from Hunter Biden to Henry Zou.

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden writes, and this is a direct quote, I

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Speaker 2: am sitting here with my father and we would like

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Speaker 2: to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled.

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Speaker 2: This was written on July, allegedly July thirtieth of twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: A WhatsApp message, tell the director that I would like

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Speaker 2: to resolve this now before it gets out of hand,

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Speaker 2: and now means tonight, and z if I get a

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Speaker 2: Zong or the chairman, I will make certain between the

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Speaker 2: man sitting next to me aka his dad and every

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Speaker 2: person he knows, and my ability to forever hold a

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Speaker 2: grudge that you will regret not following my direction. I

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Speaker 2: am sitting here waiting for the call with my father.

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Speaker 2: This is Hunter Biden And again, according to this whistleblower,

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Speaker 2: in a September third, twenty twenty meeting, the Assistant United

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Speaker 2: States Attorney told us there was more than enough probable

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Speaker 2: cause for the physical search warrant, but the question was

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Speaker 2: whether the juice was worth The squeeze said optics were

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Speaker 2: a decision and they would not allow that warrant to

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Speaker 2: a god buck. This is pretty blockbuster stuff. It all

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Speaker 2: makes sense, doesn't it. That's the part of this that

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Speaker 2: mad at you. You would have to say, so what

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Speaker 2: if some Chinese businessmen, and apparently your Romanian, and we

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Speaker 2: know Ukrainian too, we're giving Hunter millions of dollars He

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Speaker 2: was setting up dummy LLC corporations. There was never any

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Speaker 2: no products, no services. Hunter tried to hide this, he

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Speaker 2: got caught, and we're to believe that this wasn't an

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Speaker 2: you could say, oh, well, Hunter is selling access to

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Speaker 2: his dad while Trump is president.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's really doing is selling access to Joe Biden.

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Speaker 3: So Joe Biden could then theoretically push things for these

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Speaker 3: That's what this is telling us, which does not surprise

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Speaker 2: That's it, Bucks, Let me hit you, holds up, let

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Speaker 2: me hit you with some more of these allegances. Oh

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Speaker 2: my gosh, there's more. Oh Buck. This is our friend

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Speaker 2: Sean Davis. I believe he's still at the Federalist Right. Yes,

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Speaker 2: fantastic work. Good good guy, I retweeted him earlier. But

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Speaker 2: the Ways and Means Committee, and again we are going

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Speaker 2: to the Ways and Means investigation. These irs whistleblowers. The

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Speaker 2: Department of Justice I'm reading, interfered in the investigation into

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden's tax issues with a delay, divulge, and deny

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Speaker 2: campaign that shielded him by allowing Buck. We talked about this,

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Speaker 2: they quote US attorney Leslie Wolfe saying there's no way

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Speaker 2: Vice President Biden. Investigators found out that attorneys for Hunter Biden,

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Speaker 2: this is pretty staggering, were tipped off about actions relating

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Speaker 2: even as investigators had probable cause to search a northern

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Speaker 2: attorneys to Biden were tipped off before that search also.

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Speaker 2: And this is the deny element here, and they need

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Speaker 2: But according to this whistleblower, Weiss tried to bring charges.

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Speaker 2: Tried to bring charges against Hunter Biden in DC around

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Speaker 2: a year ago, was denied. He then Buck Thought sought

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Speaker 2: special council status from the Department of Justice, which we

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Speaker 2: And he also tried to bring charges in California in

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Speaker 2: the fall of twenty two, had the request denied. In

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Speaker 2: January of twenty three, as well. The fix, according to

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Speaker 2: these whistleblowers, was in on Hunter Biden. So for everybody

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Speaker 2: this all adds up, right, It all makes sense as

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Speaker 3: Nothing that we are finding out is a surprise. We're

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Speaker 3: the conclusion that we've already been at this whole time,

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Speaker 3: which is that Hunter Biden was running a global influence,

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Speaker 3: And how could that be a shock to anyone? You

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Speaker 3: Hunter Biden, the crackhead who has been you know, writing

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Speaker 3: when you're looking at the additional information here we're getting

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Speaker 3: on this clay, this is the definition of why you

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Speaker 3: need a special counsel.

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Speaker 2: What do you got believe this, Buck, and I'll confirm

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Speaker 2: it with our team. Biden just walked. They took questions.

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Speaker 2: Nobody asked about any of this in the White House

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Speaker 3: The Constitution Article two, Section four, The President, vice President,

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Speaker 3: and all civil officers of the United States shall be

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Speaker 3: removed from office on impeachment for and conviction of treason, bribery,

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Speaker 3: and other high crimes and misdemeanors. Bribery. The founders were

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Speaker 3: very concerned about bribery because it pollutes the entire system.

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Speaker 3: We've got Donald Trump facing federal indictment for a document

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Speaker 3: dispute and a process crime, and now we have more

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Speaker 3: evidence than ever before that Joe Biden had his son

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Speaker 3: even just about when he was vice president or president.

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Speaker 3: He didn't register as a foreign agent. He was taking

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Speaker 3: is the definition of corruption, and you're actually not I mean,

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Speaker 3: you're starting to get closer and closer to the point

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Speaker 3: where the Democrats if this is proven, if we can

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Speaker 3: just find the banking records. I don't see how they

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Speaker 3: can avoid, at least the public reckoning of this. The DOJ.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna sit here and be naive under Biden

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Speaker 3: the DOJ. The fix is in. The whole thing's corrupt,

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Speaker 3: so I don't expect that to change.

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Speaker 2: I get so fired you know this. I get so

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Speaker 2: fired up sometimes, am I correct? Guys, we're running tape

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Speaker 2: on this. No one asked Joe Biden anything about Ali.

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Speaker 2: No one asked anything about Hunter. These are blockbuster allegations.

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Speaker 2: I mean, to your point, Buck, even if you accept

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Speaker 2: everything that has been alleged in the Department of Justice filings,

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Speaker 2: the indictment in Miami, South Florida surrounding Donald Trump, the

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Speaker 2: entire thing boils down to these are my papers, them

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Speaker 2: saying they're not your papers, and a dispute over whether

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Speaker 2: foundational millions of dollars directly tied to Hunter and Joe

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Speaker 2: government completely covered for Joe Biden over this. Nobody asked

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Speaker 3: And it would be like asking Fetterman when he was

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Speaker 3: You're not allowed to ask the important questions anymore. You're

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Speaker 3: not allowed. And on this point about the whistleblowers, Clay,

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Speaker 3: these IRS whistleblowers, think about this, my friends, These are

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Speaker 3: not lib whistleblowers. None of them are going to get

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Speaker 3: to get trum mendos pressure as more of this information

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Speaker 3: comes out, What do they What does an IRS whistleblower

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Speaker 3: this is a I mean, we want to say smoking gun.

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Speaker 3: I feel like we've had many smoking guns already. What

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Speaker 3: is their explanation? What is the no harm explanation of

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Speaker 3: what we know? Now? As a matter of fact, we're

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Speaker 3: to believe that because so hunter Biden was running around

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Speaker 3: shake down China, you know, Chinese Communist party interests to

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Speaker 3: make him rich and that's okay, and this is who

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Speaker 3: you want to run the White House. I mean, we

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Speaker 3: really got to sit around and ask ourselves some very

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Speaker 3: basic questions. When we come back, we're gonna have audio

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Speaker 3: for you House Ways and Means Chair Jason Smith just

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Speaker 3: in the last forty five minutes or so, much of

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Speaker 2: These are blockbuster. These are blockbuster allegations coming out of

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Speaker 2: the irs whistleblowers, including evidence again of an alleged what's

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Speaker 2: app a message from Hunter Biden saying he's sitting next

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Speaker 2: to his dad threatening his Chinese interest if he doesn't

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome back, team. We are looking very closely

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Speaker 3: at this big breaking news story about the IRS whistleblower

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Speaker 4: The testimony we released today shows the IRS recommended charges

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Speaker 4: These tax crimes cover an estimated two point two million

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Speaker 4: and unreported tax on global income streams to mister Biden

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Speaker 4: and his associates from Ukraine, Romania and China totally seventeen

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Speaker 3: Dollars for what everybody ask the obvious question and another

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Speaker 3: There's no such thing as tax evasion. That is where

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton show shade all

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Speaker 2: of you hanging out with us blockbuster allegations. I want

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Speaker 2: alleged WhatsApp message from Hunter Biden that would directly implicate

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Speaker 2: are multiple outlets reporting that the submersible that they have

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Speaker 3: It seems that there's that's almost it's very high probability

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Speaker 3: Why is it hard to find this? Why have they

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Speaker 2: out of Congressman Jason Smith of Missouri's investigation surrounding IRS

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Speaker 2: whistleblowers who have alleged that Hunter Biden was protected go

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Speaker 2: the Department of Justice, that there was a desire to

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Speaker 2: Tell the director that I would like to resolve this

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Speaker 3: I can I just point out the very obvious but

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Why would Hunter believe that he'd be in a position

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Speaker 3: It's not because Hunter Biden's business savvy is so exceptional.

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Speaker 3: It's because they wanted access to Joe and Joe Biden's

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Speaker 2: And it's not even like hint to that it's explicit.

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Speaker 3: And then he says, in.

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Speaker 2: My ability to hold a grudge, all right, Hunter, your

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Speaker 2: The FBI verified Hunter Biden's laptop's authenticity in November of

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Speaker 3: It's so detailed.

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Speaker 2: There's no way that this could actually be investigated and

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Speaker 3: But what's this saying is.

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Speaker 2: Both knew that this was almost immediately Hunter's real laptop

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Speaker 3: And what this means is because you said twenty nineteen, right, yep,

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Speaker 3: he wouldn't have had the special magic protection of the

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Speaker 3: deeps running as a Democrat, but he was, so now

436
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Speaker 3: it all it all makes sense, right, There's no part

437
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 3: of this that doesn't add up. The more information we have,

438
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 3: the more solidified, the essential narrative becomes, which is that

439
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 3: Joe and Hunter were running a global influence peddling scheme.

440
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 3: Hunter knew this was. People might say, oh, why would

441
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Speaker 3: he get his millions of dollars? Why would he do

442
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Speaker 3: tax evasion? Because if he reports the income, everyone's gonna

443
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Speaker 3: know about it. Yes, and they're gonna know, Hey, the

444
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 3: hold on, you're running for president. Your son's taken millions

445
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Speaker 3: of dollars from Chinese interest? What's going for what? Exactly?

446
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 3: I all is you know, for his advice on how

447
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 3: to freebase?

448
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Speaker 1: Possibly?

449
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Speaker 3: You know, it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: I also think buck this it's important to go back

451
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: in time. Obama told Biden Joe, I'm picking Hillary. So

452
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Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, I really think this is the way

453
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Speaker 2: this came off. I think Joe Biden thought, my political

454
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 2: career is over. Now it's cash in exactly. Now, it's

455
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Speaker 2: cash in time.

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Speaker 1: Hunter.

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Speaker 2: All the gloves are off. Let's make as much money

458
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Speaker 2: for the Biden family as we possibly can. We'll trade

459
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Speaker 2: on every bit of knowledge and connection that I have.

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Speaker 2: And they basically let Hunter run out there and start

461
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Speaker 2: trying to beat the bushes to make as much money

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Speaker 2: as possible.

463
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Speaker 3: Think about how lazy and greedy this scam is too. Yeah,

464
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Speaker 3: you know you're the fear. You're Obama's VP for eight years.

465
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Speaker 3: The Democrats will take good care of you. You're gonna

466
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Speaker 3: get a seven figure advance for a book that you're

467
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Speaker 3: not gonna write a word of. You're gonna get one

468
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Speaker 3: hundred hundred and fifty thousand dollars a speech that someone

469
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Speaker 3: else is gonna write and your buy and you're just

470
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Speaker 3: gonna mutter through it. You know, you're gonna be put

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Speaker 3: on the board of a few different companies and geta

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Speaker 3: He was gonna be a rich guy, but they wanted

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Speaker 3: they wanted to go all I mean's seventeen million dollars. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they wanted to go all in right away, not waiting

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Speaker 3: for it. They wanted to cash in right away. And Hunter,

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Speaker 3: who's do I have to say to anybody? This is

477
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Speaker 3: a guy who's wrecked listen, has bad risk understanding. I

478
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Speaker 3: think we all get that. Hunter decided that this was

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Speaker 3: the way to do it. And now I think the

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Speaker 3: best thing you could say for them is maybe they

481
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Speaker 3: were kind of swindling these international businessmen, businessmen, these it's

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Speaker 3: the Chinese Communist Party, it's a front. Yes, the Chinese

483
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Speaker 3: Communist Party is paying them off. And the corruption of

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Speaker 3: the Ukrainians as well. We all know what that's about.

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Speaker 2: And sorry to interrupt, Buck, but they just broke news

486
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Speaker 2: on television. Ocean Gate has now said we believe the

487
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Speaker 2: Titan submersible crew is dead. So the company itself just FYI.

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Speaker 2: For everybody who's been following the subs it appears it's

489
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Speaker 2: really sad.

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Speaker 3: That's really sad. I mean, this is there's gonna be

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Speaker 3: a lot of after action assessment here about what were

492
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 3: the safety protocols. They've already seen early reporting on it.

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Speaker 3: We'll see how this goes, but it's it's look, it's

494
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Speaker 3: try for those families, and it's also a moment in

495
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Speaker 3: time where we are reminded that the adventure of spirit

496
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Speaker 3: that we were talking about, there are risks, and in

497
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Speaker 3: this case, these individuals pay the ultimate price trying to

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Speaker 3: seek something that was beyond the ordinary, and it's a

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Speaker 3: tough day in that sense. The Coast Guard is going

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Speaker 3: to give an update at three o'clock. I think, Clay,

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Speaker 3: we can assume at this point the Coast Guard is

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Speaker 3: going to say that there was an implosion and all

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Speaker 3: of them died. I think that's very I can't imagine

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Speaker 3: that's not what they Maybe they're saying, well, we're going

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Speaker 3: to hold out and see until we have total confirmation.

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Speaker 3: But if the company says this is what we believe happened,

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Speaker 3: I think we can assume. But we'll continue to watch

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Speaker 3: this and what we'll come back on this story in

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Speaker 3: just a minute. I want to talk to you about

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Speaker 3: your finances for a second. A lot of stock market

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Speaker 3: All right, second hour clan Buck kicks off right now.

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Speaker 3: We're still watching as this missing sub search is entering

534
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Speaker 3: what may be its final hours before we get some

535
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 3: conclusion here. Uh We've got Clay in New York City

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00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: and a very special guest who has joined in the mix. Here, Clay,

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Speaker 3: do we have his mic set up?

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Speaker 1: Though?

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Speaker 3: I think it's on me. He's used to talking to

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Speaker 3: a mike.

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Speaker 2: Do.

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Speaker 1: We don't know? We got to ask Mike Mamon, Mike

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Speaker 1: my moon, my mic. My mic is on the great

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Speaker 1: Mike mamone. Uh. What an honor to be in the

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Speaker 1: Clay and Buck studio, which by the way, is adjacent

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Speaker 1: to my studio when I'm in New York City doing

547
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Speaker 1: these big audience shows which are fun.

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Speaker 3: I'm on tonight.

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Speaker 1: We're on tonight. Yeah, we love it. We got to

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Speaker 1: get Buck in the mix. We got to have you

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Speaker 1: on as well. How are you, my friend?

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00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 3: I'm good. You know I'm on.

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00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: By the way, Uh, well, we've got video. I think

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00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: the back of your head is going to be on

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Speaker 2: the video.

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Speaker 3: Right here. You can wave to people there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, back of my head looks better, you know anybody watching.

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00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: I was gonna say it's funny because I was like, so,

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00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 3: do we introduce Sean Hannity to everybody or just except

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Speaker 3: that everybody listening knows his voice, so we know that

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Speaker 3: it's Shawn so.

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Speaker 1: We got I don't know about. By the way, congrats

563
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: to both of you. You have been kicking ass in radio.

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00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: Very happy for both of you. And it's a tough business.

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Speaker 1: I've been, believe it or not. My radio career started

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Speaker 1: before Clay was born. Buck in nineteen eighty seven was

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Speaker 1: the first time I got.

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Speaker 3: Behind the buck was barely here. I mean, first of all,

569
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Speaker 3: sewn Clay was born, Clay was riding a horse to school.

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Speaker 3: Clay's been around a long time.

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Speaker 1: I've been ridding the horse now. I started at a

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Speaker 1: university station in California. They rightly fired me in forty hours.

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Speaker 1: I had a one hour a week show, was awful,

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Speaker 1: like every other show on a college station. But the

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Speaker 1: minute that light went on, that just changed my life. Now. Interestingly,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing when I was

577
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Speaker 1: growing up, but I just had the radio on all

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Speaker 1: the time. I was listening to the great pioneers of

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Speaker 1: talk radio in New York, and when I lived in

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Speaker 1: Rhode Island five years, I listened to Gene Burns and

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Speaker 1: Jerry Williams and David Brudenoy. In New York it was

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Speaker 1: Barry Farber, Barry Gray. Later on came a Hey, let's

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Speaker 1: be heard, Bob Grant, get off my phone, new scumbag,

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Speaker 1: you know, various cerbic New York talk radio. And and

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Speaker 1: then I got hired in Huntsville, Alabama. Had a thick

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Speaker 1: New York accent. And you'll get a kick out of

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Speaker 1: this from a story. So, uh, you know, I'm Shawn

588
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: from New York. I didn't of college football is not.

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Speaker 3: As you know, a religion in New York like it

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Speaker 3: is the rest of the country. Sean, I don't even

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Speaker 3: know what Clay was talking about when he showed up.

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00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 3: You're talking about the SEC. I was like, you'll be

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Speaker 3: convestigate you for taxes.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know now because both of my kids were

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Speaker 1: Division one athletes. And but but the funny thing is,

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Speaker 1: so I go to Alabama, It's like I had no

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Speaker 1: idea about roll Tide and war Eagle and Sean. Hey know, man,

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Speaker 1: welcome to Huntsville. Man, you talk funny. I'm like, what

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Speaker 1: do you mean I talk funny? I'm from New York.

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Speaker 1: You talk funny? You know I'm here, I'm drinking coffee

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Speaker 1: doing talk radio. I had a thick, thick New York

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Speaker 1: accent at the time, didn't even know it.

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Speaker 2: That's the weird thing. Yeah, because you don't know wherever

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Speaker 2: you're from. It's like what people sound like, right right.

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Speaker 2: And I learned that I'm a Southerner at heart.

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Speaker 3: For sure.

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Speaker 1: I cannot stand New York. I hate it and I

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Speaker 1: can't even the words don't even come to me. Guy says,

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Speaker 1: roll tight. I said, what's that? And then I literally

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Speaker 1: became a star because of being that stupid you know,

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Speaker 1: the guy with the new When I left town, they

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Speaker 1: had an article in the paper, goodbye to the talk

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Speaker 1: show host from Hell. I should have had a and

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Speaker 1: I left it. I went to Atlanta four years. What

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Speaker 1: did they pay you?

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Speaker 2: And?

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Speaker 3: Uh, do you remember your salary?

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Speaker 1: And I remember? Nineteen thousand dollars a year.

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Speaker 3: Buck.

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Speaker 1: This is always what we talked. I think you guys

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Speaker 1: are on that station w VANN and Huntsville. This is

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Speaker 1: what we always talk to people in media.

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Speaker 3: What was your first salary? My first media salary? Yes,

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Speaker 3: it was less than what I was making at the CIA.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, you weren't Wait, you weren't making real money

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Speaker 1: at the CIA.

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Speaker 3: Well not, I mean we say real me and pay

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Speaker 3: the government. You know you're making like.

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Speaker 1: Well, wait a minute, I gave my figure nineteen grand.

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Speaker 1: What would what were you being paid.

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Speaker 3: At the CIA? My first not at the CIA?

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Speaker 1: What did you asked? The first job? Right? Yeah, the Blaze?

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Speaker 3: What did the Blaze pay you? We might I don't

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Speaker 3: want to zach back here. I could say it was less.

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Speaker 3: It was less than six figures. I'll tell you that.

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Speaker 2: So for you, Buck, when I started writing online, I

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Speaker 2: got paid one hundred dollars a week. I wrote three

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Speaker 2: columns a week. I got paid a hundred five thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars a year. I do have a funem for you.

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Speaker 3: I remember the first thing that I think I ever

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Speaker 3: published and got paid for was it was back in

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Speaker 3: the day, so I could all wanted to start booing,

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Speaker 3: but it was National Review and I published article National

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Speaker 3: Review I'll never forget. And I got a check in

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Speaker 3: the mail from National Review. And I had like no

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Speaker 3: money at all, and I'm like, oh sweet, I didn't

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Speaker 3: even know it was twenty five dollars. I got a

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Speaker 3: check for twenty five dollars. So yeah, it's not that

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Speaker 3: it's not the business that people think it is, especially

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Speaker 3: when you're when you started out the the Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: I didn't.

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Speaker 1: For me, I didn't care. I got behind that microphone.

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Speaker 1: Now as I'm driving cross country, I'm not sure i

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Speaker 1: could do a two hour, three hour radio show. I'd

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Speaker 1: never done one. I did a one hour a week show.

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Speaker 1: And you know, so I'm walking into the lines that

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Speaker 1: I had a great guy. The two great people that

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Speaker 1: believe to me. The owner of the station. I'm still

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Speaker 1: friends with him. His name is Bill Donovan and just

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Speaker 1: a great guy. And Dave Stone. Unfortunately guy passed away.

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Speaker 1: You'd love his life story. He was the former announcer

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Speaker 1: for the Harlem Globe truck Wow and did he just

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Speaker 1: had to set up pipes? You just, man, why can't

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Speaker 1: I have that voice?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: And anyway, he was very, very pivotal in my career.

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Speaker 1: I encouraged me the entire way. Two great years. Got

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to audition. They granted me the opportunity. I said,

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Speaker 1: you know, what should I do? And they said, no,

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Speaker 1: you gotta go. That was the answer that the owner

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Speaker 1: of the station gave me audition for two days in Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: Competed against Neil Boortz, which was the best thing that

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Speaker 1: ever happened to me, because he was great on the radio.

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Speaker 1: He's a genius and we had radio wars like we'd

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Speaker 1: never had before. Left there to go to Fox in

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Speaker 1: ninety six. When I left the Atlanta Journal Constitution, I

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Speaker 1: got a complex over this year. In addition, nineteen ninety

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Speaker 1: six a great year the Olympics came, Sean Hannity left.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm beginning to think that people don't like me.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad Clay and buck.

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Speaker 2: Do Sean Bucket. I talked a lot about your interview

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Speaker 2: with Gavin Newsom. Yeah, why do you think he did it.

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Speaker 1: Well? I think he trusted me enough when I said

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Speaker 1: I'd give him space, I'd give him an opportunity to answer,

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Speaker 1: and I've known him long enough to have that relationship

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Speaker 1: with him. I said, Look, I'm giving you my word.

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Speaker 1: I'm a man of honor. I said, I don't. We

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Speaker 1: can get on there and just speak over each other

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Speaker 1: and nobody's going to gain anything from that, I said.

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Speaker 1: And I disagree passionately on issues, and I think it

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Speaker 1: would be good for the country to see I actually

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00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: personally like him. He's nuts politically like the guy, very personable.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's said, you and Clay agree on this one.

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Speaker 1: I just want to say you and I said, I

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Speaker 1: disagree with him on so much. He's a very likable guy,

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Speaker 1: central casting politician. Remember when he walked into the Oval

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Speaker 1: and took that jacket and flung it around. I'm like, man,

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Speaker 1: he's he's fuck makes fun of me. Buck Why it's

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Speaker 1: all right?

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Speaker 3: No, because because I just know that any day now

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna see Clay and Gavin drinking some chardona up

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Speaker 3: and NAPA talking about how they're going to fix the country.

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Speaker 3: But you know, Sean, there's there's like a.

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Speaker 1: Bron is good why he owns a winery I before

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Speaker 1: he does.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure. Look you want you know, wine with

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Speaker 3: Gavin and stock tips with Nancy. There's a lot of

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Speaker 3: good stuff to do up in California. But you know, Sean,

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Speaker 3: and I remember and and and I know, uh, your

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Speaker 3: former co host Alan, you know, passed away some years ago.

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Speaker 3: Rest in peace. I remember the days when there was

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Speaker 3: more debate, Like I remember the Henny and Combs days.

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Speaker 3: I remember the Crossfire days. I feel like now our

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Speaker 3: industry has turned into basically the Libs don't ever want

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Speaker 3: a debate anymore. Like these people at MSNBCCNN, name and

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Speaker 3: network they name a podcast or a big liberal podcaster.

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Speaker 3: They want, I mean, are you seeing a change in

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Speaker 3: that like because of Gavin Newsom came on your show.

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Speaker 3: Do you think their people just are tired of the

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Speaker 3: preaching to the choir from the left thing all the time.

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Speaker 3: Because I think debate would be great, because I think

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Speaker 3: we would win.

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Speaker 1: Any time you put conservatism up against liberalism, it wins.

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Speaker 1: And I felt I wanted to be creative and come

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Speaker 1: up with the way when I was interviewing him to

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Speaker 1: make my points, but not have it be you know,

727
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Speaker 1: a long question or argumentative or disagree on facts. So

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Speaker 1: I came in with a pile of graphs and I said,

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Speaker 1: all right, here are the number of people believing your state,

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Speaker 1: and here are the number of people migrating to Florida

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Speaker 1: every single week, including Buck Sexton, right, exactly, very smart, Buck,

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Speaker 1: you have more more sense than anybody. And or this

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Speaker 1: is the number almost population. This is the list of

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Speaker 1: businesses who are moving their headquarters out of your state.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is the these are the crime statistics,

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Speaker 1: and and this is the cost for medical with the

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Speaker 1: illegal immigration. So I try to do it that way,

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Speaker 1: and I give the audience a lot of credit that

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Speaker 1: when they see that and he says, yeah, but but

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Speaker 1: but but those companies still have employees here. They're all

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Speaker 1: moving their corporate headquarters out, but to save Johnny.

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Speaker 3: And I, you know, I talked to Clay about this,

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Speaker 3: and my theory on this is with Gavin Newsom, what

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Speaker 3: you're seeing is whenever collectivists or you know, socialists take

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Speaker 3: over anything, especially if they take over something as rich

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Speaker 3: and bountiful in all senses as California, they say, oh,

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Speaker 3: it's not you know, things are great. Look at these numbers. Well,

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Speaker 3: he and in heerded Silicon Valley. He inherited Hollywood and

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Speaker 3: the entertainment industry out there. But the decisions that he makes,

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Speaker 3: it reminds me of Blasio in New York. Right, Deblasio

751
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Speaker 3: takes over for years. It's the city's great, there's so

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Speaker 3: much investment. Well, it takes time to ruin things. And

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Speaker 3: I feel like with Gavin Newsom, he keeps pointing to

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Speaker 3: things that have always been true of California. But the

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Speaker 3: things that are his fault he just pretends aren't happening.

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Speaker 3: He owned a couple of things, he owned the homelessness problem.

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Speaker 3: I played a tape of him in two thousand and eight. Saying,

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Speaker 3: this is my ten year plan of you know, stop homelessness,

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Speaker 3: admitted he failed. The more fun part of it for

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Speaker 3: me was one and then I had a monitor next

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Speaker 3: to us, and I played the cognitive mess Joe Biden

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Speaker 3: that has no clue that today is Thursday.

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Speaker 1: And I said, okay, Joe Biden could not engage in

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Speaker 1: the conversation we're having. You're telling me you think he

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Speaker 1: is cognitively strong enough to be president, and oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know he is. I don't believe he believes that.

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Speaker 1: And now I give a lot of credit for loyalty.

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Speaker 1: I think he'd being a loyal Democrat. Okay, fair enough. However,

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Speaker 1: he knows he's not there. Now. I think the odds

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Speaker 1: and we discussed this last time, Clay, you were on

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Speaker 1: the TV show. The odds he's that Biden is not

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Speaker 1: the Democratic presidential candidate as of now are high.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Buck disagree. You're killing me. Now, you

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Speaker 3: Uncle Bill, Bill, O'Reilly and Clay all agree on this one.

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Speaker 1: You call O'Reilly uncle Bill. Really, I call him a

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Speaker 1: simple mandy. I'm a simple man. I'm just gonna give

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Speaker 1: a simple analysis. Uh well, I'll tell you. But here's

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Speaker 1: the Buck, You're gonna probably be proven right. For this reason,

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Speaker 1: the dates of filing to get on my back, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're they're fast approaching, so you you probably will be

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Speaker 1: proven right.

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Speaker 3: So I think Gavin's preparing. Look and Sean, I think

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Speaker 3: this is why we're we're seeing him do your show,

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Speaker 3: for example, just because of the broad viewership, and then

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Speaker 3: also putting him in the National conversation. He knows twenty

786
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Speaker 3: twenty eight wide open. No matter who wins twenty twenty four, right,

787
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Speaker 3: doesn't matter, because they're going to get well, assuming it's

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Speaker 3: either Trump or Biden, you're going to get a one termer.

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Speaker 3: And I think that the other part of this is

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Speaker 3: if you did have an open Democrat primary, it's giving

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Speaker 3: me a lot of Democrats who get in the mix.

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Speaker 3: So it's not as easy as Gavin gets the coronation

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Speaker 3: if it weren't going to be Biden running. But do

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Speaker 3: you think that we had I think it was Nicki

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Speaker 3: Haley on recently Sean, and she said that a vote

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Speaker 3: for Biden is really a vote for Kamala because in

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Speaker 3: her mind, there's no chance Biden's going to make it

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Speaker 3: through term two, so it just turns into a Kamala presidency.

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Speaker 3: You buy into that.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a look at him. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: guy can't stand up. What was even worse than the

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Speaker 1: fault at the Air Force Academy is that watch when

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Speaker 1: he tries to get up. Yeah, and he kind of

804
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Speaker 1: started getting up and went right back down again, and

805
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Speaker 1: then obviously people came to his rescue appropriate that they did.

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Speaker 1: I think that's probably a good observation on Nick Haley's

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Speaker 1: part in my view, And I think there is probably

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Speaker 1: an undercurrent a battle going on between Gavin and Kamala

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Speaker 1: in that department. What I'd like to see. The one

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Speaker 1: thing that did surprise me, they've had this cold war

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Speaker 1: Ron de Santis and Gavin Newsom. State to state. You

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Speaker 1: know which state is freer, which state has better policies,

813
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: Which state works for the people better, Which state taxes more?

814
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Speaker 1: Why is Florida gaining population? Why is California? Gavin Newsom

815
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Speaker 1: is the first governor in the history of California to

816
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Speaker 1: ever lose population, and he's losing it a mass So

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Speaker 1: I would love that. To me, that'll happen.

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Speaker 2: I saw the Wall Street Journals gave you credit for

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Speaker 2: it on the editorial page and said, that's a great idea.

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Speaker 3: Buck. Do you think it'll happen, Sean, Do you think

821
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Speaker 3: it'll happen?

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Speaker 1: It will?

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Speaker 3: I don't know when, right, I mean, Sean, I think

824
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Speaker 3: at some point it's an inevitability there'll be a Gavin

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Speaker 3: Newsom desantist, But I don't know if it's now or

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Speaker 3: if it's in prep for twenty eight. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think, well, let's be honest here, a guy by

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Speaker 1: the name of Donald try Trump sucks all the oxygen

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Speaker 1: out of the room in terms of politics, and with

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Speaker 1: all these legal wranglings and probably more to come in

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Speaker 1: in Fulton County and Washington, d C. That's a lot

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Speaker 1: of oxygen. If he doesn't show up at that Fox

833
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Speaker 1: August debate, it's not going to be as fun.

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Speaker 3: And you think he will.

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Speaker 1: Do you think he'll go to the Fox August No?

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Speaker 1: I do not that. If you ask me today, No,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he'll be there. Uh. They're even talking

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Speaker 1: about the Florida trial and for Pierce now at that time.

839
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Speaker 1: But if I was advising Rohnda Santis now, I did

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Speaker 1: reach out to his team and they said they get

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Speaker 1: back to me. And I'm sure there's probably some internal

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Speaker 1: debate going on. If I was them, two hour debate,

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom California versus Florida, what is your vision for

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Speaker 1: America in the future. I don't care if Gavin's a

845
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Speaker 1: presidential candidate or not. I would do that every day

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Speaker 1: of the week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Blockbuster be a total blockbuster, and the country needs

848
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Speaker 3: to see it, Sean, I mean that's the country should see.

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Speaker 3: Those are heavyweights on both sides, respectively. It's not a

850
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Speaker 3: Clay Pigeon situation where someone's gonna just get obliterated. Right.

851
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 3: It's a fair match between knew something in terms of

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Speaker 3: what they represent.

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Speaker 1: The liberals will think that Gavin one, and conservatives will

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Speaker 1: believe that that Ron DeSantis won. To me, the facts

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Speaker 1: are on De Santas's side, and there's a lot to

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Speaker 1: go at Gavin with.

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Speaker 2: But Gavin's more, he's more likable. This is where it

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Speaker 2: comes back, Sean. I watch the interview. Buck makes fun

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Speaker 2: of me.

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Speaker 1: He's more personable than Rock.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And now now Clay makes fun of me because

862
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Speaker 3: I say that Kamala is still who the Democrats are

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Speaker 3: going to make president and he says, I'm like Kamala's lawyer.

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Speaker 3: All of a sudden.

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Speaker 1: The passage of time means that together we're passing through time,

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Speaker 1: and together we're all passing through time. I mean, she

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Speaker 1: That to me would be the heavyweight pay per view

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Speaker 1: the moderator.

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Speaker 3: It's good for you to make those guys are we're

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Speaker 3: reaching out to his team, Sean just you know, we're

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Speaker 3: following in the following in the wake here of trying

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Speaker 3: But because we got a we gotta technical They're yell atim,

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Speaker 3: We've got to get to break Sean handed everybody, Sean,

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Speaker 3: thank you yelling.

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Speaker 1: Mamone just gave me the finger. By the way, he's

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Speaker 1: I've known Mike mamone.

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Speaker 3: But all righty Sean, thanks so much, Ben Russia US,

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Speaker 3: congrats on your success.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.

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