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Speaker 1: It's that time time time, time, luck and load.

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Speaker 2: The Michael Verie Show is on the air. You know,

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Speaker 2: we've done the how folks Got busted stories before, and

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Speaker 2: cell phones tend to get people into big problems. Cheating spouses,

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Speaker 2: drug dealers, CEOs. Everybody's been busted with phone records that

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Speaker 2: prove their guilt. Now we have Democrat Congressman Stacey Plasket.

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Speaker 2: She was trading text messages in the middle of a

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Speaker 2: congressional hearing. During the hearing while that's going on with

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein, and Epstein was trying to give her MO

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Speaker 2: to hurt Trump. And she is communicating with that devil

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Speaker 2: because all she wanted was to hurt Trump. And now

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Speaker 2: it's all come out because the cell phone records were

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Speaker 2: discoverable and the FBI was willing to look. I feel

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Speaker 2: like these people need their own cell phone plan.

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Speaker 1: Are you a person of shady character looking for a

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Speaker 1: cell phone carrier that will hide all those skeletons in

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Speaker 1: your closet, blocked from any friends and family plan because

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Speaker 1: you're a creepy weirdo that's never allowed around miners. Maybe

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Speaker 1: you're a constituent needing to call your congressman in the

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Speaker 1: middle of a hearing.

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Speaker 2: We've got the.

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Speaker 1: Plan for you, introducing the Epstein Anonymous at All Times planned.

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Speaker 2: The first cell phone that doesn't ring, it.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't buzz, it doesn't make any sounds that would give

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Speaker 3: away your suspicious behavior, and anyone in my text involving

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Speaker 3: illegal activity will show up on any and all records

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Speaker 3: as the group.

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Speaker 1: We know times are tight and we don't want to

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Speaker 1: hang you with a bill. This complete Epstein Anonymous at

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Speaker 1: All Times plan is all yours for six dollars and

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Speaker 1: The Epstein at All Times Anonymous plan where suspicious activities

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Speaker 1: connects you with evil lifestyles.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about the motorized school. By the way. Let

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Speaker 2: me go back Jeffrey Epstein. While Donald Trump was president

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen first term, Epstein was texting with a Democrat

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Speaker 2: congressman trying to find ways to bring harm to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this. Think about this from moment.

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Speaker 2: If Epstein and Trump partied as friends. Trump has pardoned

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Speaker 2: those loyal to him. He has pardoned people for whom

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Speaker 2: it was unpopular. He pardoned Rob Blagoyevitch straight up, I

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Speaker 2: think that's a horrible idea. Rod Blagoevitch was selling the

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Speaker 2: Senate seat in Illinois when Obama left to become president

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Speaker 2: and Blagoevitch was the governor, so he could he could

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Speaker 2: appoint the Senator, and we had him dead to rights,

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Speaker 2: recorded phone calls selling the seat. By the way, one

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Speaker 2: of the bidders was Jesse Jackson to get the seat

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Speaker 2: for his good for nothing son, who I think he's

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Speaker 2: should have pardoned Rod Blagoevitch. And people will say, well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but that made Blogovitch loyal to him, and now Blogovitch

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Speaker 2: only says nice things about him. He's a foreign Democrat.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, how many people are impressed

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Speaker 2: Do you think anybody is thinking, you know, I just

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Speaker 2: I just don't like Trump. But I think I think

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Speaker 2: Blagoievitch likes him, I mean he he's a wise man.

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Speaker 2: He became very wise in prison, and he was already

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Speaker 2: very wise. But how does that work. I don't see

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Speaker 2: an the upside of that. I don't see that that

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Speaker 2: do it. He did it with that flame in Santos

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Speaker 2: That guy was terrible, toxic, awful, horrible, breaking every law possible. Well,

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Speaker 2: democrats write the law. Pooh, I don't. We don't want

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Speaker 2: But I don't I wouldn't pardon him. I don't know

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Speaker 2: why anybody would. But the president did it. And that's

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Speaker 2: not the point of this discussion. The point is Trump

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Speaker 2: has pardoned some really unpopular people. If Epstein believed there

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Speaker 2: believe that Trump will pardon him. That's his only shot.

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Speaker 2: Or if he believes he's doing any good at causing

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Speaker 2: likely to pardon him. Right. I think there's something to

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Speaker 2: be said there that this tells you much about that relationship.

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Speaker 2: It tells you a great deal about that relationship. I

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Speaker 2: don't think Donald Trump is perfect, not really. When it

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Speaker 2: involved in any way, shape or form with Epstein. No.

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Speaker 2: And the biggest reason I think that is not because

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Speaker 2: biggest reason I believe that is because if they had

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Speaker 2: would have buried him. With that. They have dug into

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Speaker 2: every aspect of his life. They have stretched the truth,

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Speaker 2: they have gone into every document. They have raided his

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Speaker 2: wife's penty drawers at mar A Lago. They have dragged

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Speaker 2: him to court in every jurisdiction after all this time.

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Speaker 2: If they had anything on Epstein, they would have released it.

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Speaker 2: And there are people who have that information, and there

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Speaker 2: are people who have that information who hate Trump. It's

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Speaker 2: part of why Kobe needs to go to prison, and

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Speaker 2: May Brennan needs to go to prison, and May Strasik

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Speaker 2: to prison. These people were working very hard. Hell, they

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Speaker 3: When it comes to politics, do you enjoy a harsh

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Speaker 4: Michael Berry, get on him, blow it all out, baby.

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Speaker 2: Sixty minutes did a profile on a law interesting news

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Speaker 2: sport chess boxing. It's just what it sounds like, alternating

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Speaker 2: rounds of chess and then boxing. You can win either

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Speaker 2: by knockout or checkmate. Here's the story.

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Speaker 4: In sixty minutes, fighters from eighteen countries are here trying

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Speaker 4: to knock each other's heads off.

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Speaker 2: But wait, Now the fighters strip off their gloves and

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Speaker 2: sit down. It's chess time.

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Speaker 4: Competitors have three minutes to vanquish their enemy on the board.

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Speaker 5: I had the body of a chess player. I was

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Speaker 4: Meet William Gambitman Graef, a New York State chess chap

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Speaker 4: He's been playing competitive chess since the age of five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw his take no prisoner's approach. How'd I

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Speaker 4: When he demolished four of us at once?

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Speaker 2: Just for fun? Checkmate check me.

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Speaker 4: Graefe told us he added thirty pounds of muscle to

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Speaker 4: become a chess boxer. He's still only one hundred and

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Speaker 5: I'd be a little crazy not to be terrified.

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Speaker 4: But why are you willingly deciding to step into a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you sound like my mother.

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Speaker 5: One of the things is sort of the opportunity to

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Speaker 5: chess growing up throughout school and was to an extent

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Speaker 2: For being a scrawny chess player. Exactly.

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Speaker 5: Okay, you know I've been doing chess for a very

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Speaker 5: long time. What better time to sort of try something

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Speaker 2: Why would you say doing chess instead of plague chess?

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Speaker 2: That's weird. Ridiculous sports ideas that actually exist. Fireball soccer

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Speaker 2: a game in which players use balls made from coconuts

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Speaker 2: me that you have no value for human life. You

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Speaker 2: I'm impressed. Yes, you you understood the assignment. Then there

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Speaker 2: is something on Chile's Easter Island called hake Pay. It

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Speaker 2: could be done to him, knowing that he's most likely

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Speaker 2: just going to die out there, and you better off

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Speaker 2: just lay and still because his body's broken, and yet

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Speaker 2: he keeps crawling. What is that that keeps crawling? What

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Speaker 2: is the thing within us? The desire to live, the

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Speaker 2: desire to create, to build, to do. He had to

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Speaker 2: tell the story. Somebody had to tell the story of

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Speaker 2: the story wouldn't be told. So it's always bothered me

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Speaker 2: on the issue of suicide. And I got on suicide.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Todd Snyder committed suicide. Don't conflate those two.

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Speaker 2: But this is important to me and it comes up

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Speaker 2: a lot. And so since I'm on the subject, when

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Speaker 2: people refer to people who committed suicide as cowards, I

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Speaker 2: don't think you've ever been around someone who wanted to

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Speaker 2: commit suicide. Because if you have you understand that that

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Speaker 2: person is hurting so badly, sometimes physically, almost always mentally,

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Speaker 2: and they just want the pain to end the same

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Speaker 2: way you stop running when you were supposed to run

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Speaker 2: the mile the first day you started back on your

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Speaker 2: workout program, and you got three quarters of a mile

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Speaker 2: and you thought your stomach, your loans were going to explode,

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Speaker 2: and so you stopped. You didn't stop because you're a

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Speaker 2: bad person or a coward. You stopped because you just

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Speaker 2: couldn't push any further. You didn't know your limits, You

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Speaker 2: didn't want to suffer anymore. I think that people get

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Speaker 2: to a point where they are suffering so much and

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Speaker 2: they just want to end the suffering, and they see

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Speaker 2: no other way to end the suffering, and they feel

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Speaker 2: horrible for what they're going to have to do to

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Speaker 2: everyone else, from the cleanup to literally and physically to

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Speaker 2: burying this person in mourning. They're passing, but they can

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Speaker 2: see no way out, and this pain is to advance.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he necessary really committed suicide, but I

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Speaker 2: think Todd Snyder was in a very very bad spot

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Speaker 2: and he was hurting terribly. And it saddens me to

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Speaker 2: know that there are a lot of people who are

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Speaker 2: probably quite a few people listening right now, that in

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Speaker 2: one way or another, are in that position. I wish

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Speaker 2: I could hug that out. I wish there was a

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Speaker 2: drug we could take. I wish there was a way

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Speaker 2: to quickly and easily make that go away. Well there's not.

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Speaker 2: It's life. It's unfortunate. That's Arsano