1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season twenty four episode 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: for Up There Daily Edge. Yeah, for March two thousand eighteen, 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: Happy anniversary to my lovely wife. My name is Jack O'Brien, 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: a k A Hobo Brian. Okay uh. Let's courtesy of 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: fellow Pope, because apparently I've talked about how I've been 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: everywhere in America to the point that people are starting 7 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: to think that I just spent my childhood riding the rails. 8 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: But I am thrilled to be joined as always by 9 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 1: my wonderful co host, Mr Miles Gray. What's your order, 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: Miles Gray? Huh huh? No, okay ak fo flat. That 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: was from sarcastic samurai. You duke mee das Eddie on 12 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: that one. No, that was a Kanye Westman from you 13 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: know the songs supposed to be Fish fil A, but 14 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: it was Miles anyway, and I'm taking too long to 15 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: explain that difficult uh. And we're thrilled to be joined 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: in our third seat by the very funny comedian, writer 17 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: and fashion maven Riley Silverson. Hello, they having me back. Hey, 18 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: We're thrilled to head popped your sweater. As you know, 19 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: I do what I can riley tach different time to time. 20 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: What is something from your search history that is revealing 21 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: about who you are? Yesterday it was the phrase kitchen 22 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: table Polly. I don't know what that means. I didn't either, 23 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: was just why I to search it. It is a 24 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: polyamory term, and I found so I think last time 25 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: I was on the show, I was seeing someone and 26 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: I am not anymore. So I guess I say I 27 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: can say my over rated is being dumped. But that's so. 28 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: I've been back on the dating apps and there was 29 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: someone who's profile I was reading yesterday on okay Cupid, 30 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 1: and she said that she considers her view on what 31 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: they call uh uh ethical nonminogamy, like that's a fancy 32 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: term for polyamory things. And then I'm sure a listeners like, 33 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: that's not what that means. But there's a there's a 34 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: phrase kitchen table Polly, and what that means is that 35 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: you were in a polling amorous relationship and the ideas 36 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: that it's it's so civil that all the parties involved 37 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: could have a casual conversation around a kitchen table and 38 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: chat and drink coffee and stuff like that. Despite the 39 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: fact that you're all also like think monogously to so 40 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 1: you know, which is interesting. Yeah, it sounds and I 41 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: think it sounds possible for me. But I think that 42 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: I'm happy for her and I wish her luck like 43 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: kitchen table as a modifier, Yeah me too. Yeah uh. 44 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: And what is something you think is underrated? And think 45 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: the TV show Legion on FX has has fans. It's 46 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: it's coming back for a season. Two is starting I 47 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: think next week, and I don't see that much hype 48 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: for it, and I think it's a fantastic show. I 49 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: think as a as a nerd who's super into like 50 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: I loved X Men growing up, and I think that 51 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: there's a lot of like you know, a lot of 52 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: legit gripes about the X Men film franchise, and I 53 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: think Legion is one of the best things that has 54 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: come out of any sort of like adaptation of trying 55 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: to take the X Men books and make it into 56 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: a show or a movie. It doesn't use characters that 57 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: are super familiar to most audio into is like they're 58 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: definitely characters from the books, but they're not. It's kind 59 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: of guarding to the galaxy or because you're not working 60 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: with like a super entrenched fan base, like you can 61 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: kind of get a little more leeway about what stories 62 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: you can tell. But it's also show run by Noah Holly, 63 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: who does Fargo, the TV series, which is like, I think, 64 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: one of the best shows on TV, And so it 65 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: has that similar like DNA of just amazing visuals, like 66 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: really trippy things happening. The main characters, like like his 67 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: mutant abilities are all like mental and psychic and stuff 68 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: like that. So there's a whole lot of just really 69 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: trippy dream sequences in the first season, and a whole 70 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: lot of Aubrey Plaza being really really Yeah. I was 71 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: surprised because I got into it late after people like 72 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: you gotta watch The Legion, like for if anything else, 73 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: just to see are PLASA's And I was like, whoa, look, dude, Like, yeah, 74 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: she's really great in it. She plays a character that 75 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: was written as a male character and she just kills it, 76 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: and like, I can't imagine the guy playing this character 77 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: now because she's oh, yeah, oh I didn't even know that. Yeah, 78 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: there's so much and then she's like so unhinged at points, 79 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: but also like there's points where like she's wearing like 80 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: a dap or suit and just looks amazing, and as 81 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: other points where she's just losing her mind and like 82 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: like her like makeups all running, and like her hair 83 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: is all messed up and she's kind of like, I 84 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: can't even get into it. This is so good yourself. Um. 85 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: I feel like this is a thing that I've noticed 86 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: with another show that I really liked, Preacher, where there 87 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: was a lot of excitement around the first season when 88 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: it was first coming out. It came out, I thought 89 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: it was very a very successful first season, and then 90 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: the second season came and everyone was like, you know, 91 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: like people didn't even really like publicize it as much. 92 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: I just think because there's just so much content and 93 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: it's like the novelty has worn off. But I've heard 94 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: I Preacher is one that I haven't watched, but like 95 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: it has really loyal fans who were like rabbit about 96 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: it and and rave about how good it is. Another 97 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: show like that. Since I worked for sci Fi, let 98 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: me go ahead and just do some synergy here the 99 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: magicians of a show that I haven't watched, but people 100 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: tell me that if you get through the first season, 101 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: the second and third season just gets amazing, and some 102 00:04:58,480 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: those ones from like I really need to get on 103 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: that and watch it, and I haven't yet shout out 104 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: to Summer Bischel, you know my homies, my homie sister 105 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: who's on that show. Uh? And what is something you 106 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: think is over it? Hayton Alright, we were talking about 107 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: about I couldn't think of a way to sum up, 108 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: but I think that, like, I'm so tired of this 109 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: whole like nerd culture thing not even is nerd at 110 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: this point, like fandom culture, where it's like it's you're 111 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: almost define more about what you don't like than what 112 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: you do like. And I'm i as someone who writes 113 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: for like for sci fi fan girls and writes for 114 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: like nerdy things, I'm getting tired of. Like I mean, 115 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: like I I'm not saying you shouldn't like legitimly criticize 116 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: things that deserve it, Like that's definitely not what I'm 117 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: going for, But I feel like there's this this thing 118 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: to just go on Twitter and be like, screw this thing, 119 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: this thing sucks, and like not instead of celebrating what 120 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: you love, you're just tearing down things you don't love. 121 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: And I think, like we were talking about, there's so 122 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: much out there right now that like we're that we're 123 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: missing shows that are really good. It's like, man, just 124 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: maybe just pump the brakes on that negative energy and 125 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: find something that is for you. Like there's a lot 126 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: of I think we're gonna talk about it later, but 127 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: there's a lot of praise and backlash ready Player at One, 128 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: which I think is like a little bit overrated on 129 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: both sides as a thing to talk about. But like, 130 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: I think if you really want to see that movie, 131 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,559 Speaker 1: like and it's like it's serving what you are looking for, 132 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: I think you should enjoy it. And I also think 133 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: that like maybe like it doesn't need to be like 134 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: Demonizes the worst movie ever. But yeah, and I think 135 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: like there's a there's a certain point where because I 136 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: hate when it's something that's a phrase that I love 137 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: called don't yuck my yum, And it's like that has 138 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: become my like philosophy and fandom of the last like 139 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 1: several years. And I find that I'm enjoying my world 140 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: of fandom way more now that I like that I've 141 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: written that way. It's weird how people can like sort 142 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: of embrace like negative energy to sort of justify their 143 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: love of something because like even as a fan of sports. 144 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: You even have factions of fans of sports that are 145 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: sort of like polarized by their opinion on a certain thing. 146 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: Like even right now, as an Arsenal fan kind of 147 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: shot at the Arsenal They're like, we're in a tournament 148 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: that a group of fans want us to fail, so 149 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: the manager is fired. So they're like, no, we gotta 150 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: funk this up so this guy can lose. And it's 151 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: like almost like whoa, And yeah, it's it's interesting people 152 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: put their energy towards. Yeah, I I'm always thought out 153 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: some people who are rooting for a thing that they 154 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: are a fan of to fail, Like I as a 155 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: doctor who fans there's like there's like there's a group 156 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: of fans that want the show to get canceled because 157 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: they don't want it to be a female doctor. But 158 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: that's like, yeah, whenever there's like a thing where like 159 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: someone's not watching a thing and they go, why isn't 160 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: it canceled yet? Just don't watch it, don't have to 161 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: watch it, you're not making the budgets for the network, 162 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: were like, why didn't this canceled? It? Yeah, Like I 163 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: think they think that if it gets canceled, and then 164 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: we'll get replaced immediately with a version of the show 165 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: that they love. But that's not gonna happen. If the 166 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: show gets canceler, it's cancer, it's gone. It's slim chance 167 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: that is going to come back, right at least at 168 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: least not from that are like twenty years like we 169 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: did last exactly. And for sports fans out there, this 170 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: is how I've always felt about Lebron James, Like the 171 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: just the amount of energy people, the number of calories 172 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: people burned hating Lebron James when he went to Miami, 173 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: and it's just like such a waste of energy and time, 174 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: and you're rooting against somebody who's doing something who's like 175 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: a type of player that we've just never seen. You 176 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: like got a physical genius that we've never seen. Like, 177 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: why as a fan of the sport, would you root 178 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: against him to like do amazing things. Commons said that 179 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: I would say that if you were a Cleveland fan, 180 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: happened totally you are a little justified, but totally justified. 181 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: But then he came back, so I just more hated 182 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: the event of it, the decision. I was like, at 183 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: least he made money least team made charity money doing that. 184 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: At least the money he made doing that wasn't just 185 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: like well, now my mom was buying hats like it 186 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: wasn't that. At the end of the day, it's stage 187 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: like wisdom, right, because it's really about put your energy. 188 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: If you're gonna expend energy, make it good, make it positive, 189 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: because you're only just going to contribute to an environment 190 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 1: of love and positivity. If you put all that bullshit, man, 191 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 1: you that's a waste. Give your energy away like that. Finally, 192 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: what is a myth? What something people think is true 193 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: that you know to be false. I think the idea 194 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: that social media is run by interns. I think that 195 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: is such a ridiculous can see that. Sometimes it's like, oh, 196 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: some interns getting fired. It's like, yeah, I just like 197 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 1: because I I dated my ex that I mentioned earlier 198 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: works in social media and they're like super busy all 199 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: the time, and like it's like a stressful job for them. 200 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: And then people are like some intern messed up. It's like, no, 201 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: that's a person who's in an office who like scheduled this, 202 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: like like has like analysis of data when the primal 203 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: time to run a tweet, like social media is like 204 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: the window of companies to the public, and the idea 205 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: they would just hand to some kind like some college 206 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: kid has only been there for a few weeks because 207 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: they're on a work study program. Is like that. No, 208 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: that's what in the early days of social media, right 209 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: that that idea of or the position of the social 210 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: media manager hadn't quite formed yet. So I think at 211 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: the time, like older people at a company will be like, well, 212 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: this young kid uses Twitter, so can you make the 213 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: Facebook or whatever? But as I think, companies had to 214 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: begin to really rely on a social media presence, in 215 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: a digital presence like oh shit, yeah, we need like experts. 216 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,599 Speaker 1: The same thing is like the idea that all podcasts 217 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: are recorded in someone's basement, washer dryers running in the back. 218 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: We do it in the Faraday cage. Yes exactly. Yeah, 219 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: I had I had put like I did, like a 220 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: retinal scans. I had to get to like security to 221 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: get here, blood tests, everything. We had to make sure 222 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 1: there was enough like heavy metals in your body. Yeah. 223 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: I didn't like being microchips. I will say I didn't 224 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: appreciate it. I gotta keep a track. We gotta know 225 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: where are and if if they if they live what 226 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: they preach. What if somebody cancels, you know, we needed 227 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: and he says, you're at Nikea right now. But yeah, 228 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: social media is I it's so funny when you talk 229 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: about how like, yeah, there's an entire department usually devoted that. 230 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: And it's funny too. Is like a lot of companies 231 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: now that are deleting Facebook. I wonder are they just 232 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: wholesale being like, hey, everyone who ran Facebook, like there's 233 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: your job. Like, I know, Playboy just got rid of there, 234 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: is like Tesla and many other companies, Twitter, still Instagram, 235 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: but some companies like you know, I used to work 236 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: for Playboy with Jamie Loftis shout out Jamie uh, And 237 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: Facebook was like the main window, Like that was their 238 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: main interaction with people for the company. So to get 239 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: rid of that for a brand that is already on 240 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 1: the I mean, radio ads used to be the main 241 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: window to things, and when radio ads kind of became less. Mean, 242 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: radio still exist, but they're not what they used to 243 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: be now. Then the TV ads became a thing. Now 244 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: then TV ads are kind of moving to the wayside, 245 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: and now social media ads, I just that's just the 246 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 1: But I mean Facebook still like, as much as people 247 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: are like, I'm tired of Facebook fit, nobody goes on 248 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: Facebook anymore, it was still a huge, huge driver of 249 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: traffic when I left Cracked, And I mean, yeah, as 250 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: much as people don't like to be on Facebook, they 251 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: still are in huge, huge numbers. And so the fact 252 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: that Hugh Hefner's son or Cooper, Yeah, Cooper Hefner was like, well, 253 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: because Tesla deleted their Facebook presence, I'll do the same. 254 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: That probably like fucked sucked them pretty hard. Has many 255 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: other offerings that people are interested in. Playboy is still 256 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: a physical magazine. Tesla can still fire cars into the sun, 257 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: so it's like they they're fine, whereas Playboy, Yeah, we 258 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: have the inner literally because we're locked in some issues. Um. Alright, 259 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 1: we're trying to take a sample of what people are 260 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: thinking and talking about right now. Uh, mostly in America, 261 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: but we're going to go international today a little bit. 262 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: But first up, we want to talk about the premiere 263 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: of Rosanne. Over eighteen million people viewed the premiere of 264 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: the new rebooted Rosanne, and yeah, a lot of people 265 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 1: are kind of taking this as a sort of vindication 266 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: of Trump is um because in the show, Roseanne is 267 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: a Trump supporter, and so you're seeing in real life, 268 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: right and in real life? Uh? And the first episode 269 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: was sort of a conversation between her and Jackie about, 270 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: you know, the Trump is um versus people who opposed Trump. 271 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: I think Jackie was portrayed as like a cartoon of liberalism, 272 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: like she walked in with a pussy hat and an 273 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: outfit made of hail right. Uh. But yeah, so, I 274 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: mean it is a perspective that you don't tend to 275 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: get from mediated pop culture that's coming out of Los Angeles. Sure. 276 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: I never watched the show growing up because I didn't 277 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: really see myself in the reality of that show. But 278 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: I know many people that liked it. But was the 279 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: show problematic back then? I thought like based on what 280 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: I was reading, like they used sort of this working 281 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: class reality to also talk about sort of other issues 282 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: within it, like there was gay marriage like at the 283 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: time when this show is happening, but apparently it's a 284 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: controversial episode. Is this new version, like are they just 285 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: going hole hog on Trump where it's like, no, we're 286 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: gonna normalize Trump using Roseanne, or is it still gonna 287 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: be like we're gonna we'll have elements of people who 288 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: support Donald Trump and also try and use that and 289 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: juxtapose that with other people and then explore the relationship 290 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: that we have between families or whatever, between people having 291 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: sort of these political ideological differences. I've heard it a 292 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: fense of it that tries to compare it to All 293 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: in the Family, because on All in the Family, obviously 294 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: the Archie Bunker was like an old like crotchety bigot um. 295 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: But I think the difference between that and this is 296 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: that Carola Connor himself was not that way and like 297 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: he was like like he himself did not feel that way, 298 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: but the show like used him as a foil. Now, 299 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: to be fair, like Rob Ryner's character on that show 300 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: was kind of a caricature of like a young liberal 301 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: kid too. It's kind of there was that there um. 302 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: But it doesn't help if if the only like mouthpiece 303 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: for that idea is Jackie and she's kind of a 304 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: punchline and like a thing. That may not be what 305 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: they're trying to achieve. But there are a lot of 306 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: really like there are queer writers for the show, people 307 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: of color, Like I don't I don't know what they're 308 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: attempting with it, but it might be possible like they're 309 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: actually trying to find a way to like bridge the 310 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: gap in the fight between Trump supporters and Always supports. 311 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what they're going for, but 312 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: that seems to be what their claiming to be going 313 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: before portrayed the disagreement, rather than taking necessarily aside in 314 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: the disagree But it seems like from what how our 315 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: writer Jam was describing it, it seems like there are 316 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: like plenty of things left hanging where a liberal character 317 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: says something and then that's just the joke, but there's 318 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: no Roseanne gets the last. Yeah, I think it's probably 319 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: more evenly distributed than you would typically see in a 320 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: show about liberal city dwellers, you know, written by liberal 321 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: city dwellers. But uh, you know, I think that's probably 322 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: partially both because Roseanne herself is not just the you know, 323 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: namesake and star of the show. She's also you know, 324 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: one of the executive producers and one of the loudest 325 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: voices in the writer's room, and you know, she herself 326 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: is a Trump supporter. Um. But you know, it's also 327 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: a stated goal of the show to try and accurately 328 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: reflect what uh people who are living in the middle 329 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: of America who are in this you know, income bracket, 330 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: uh would think like in the conversations that they're having, 331 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: there's an interview with the co EP of the show, 332 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: guy Bruce rest Mussen, who was also you know, heavily 333 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: involved in the previous incarnation of it, who was saying, 334 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: you know that the writer's room itself, outside of Roseanne 335 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: is still fairly liberal. It's a lot of l A 336 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: comedy writers, right. But you know, they are having to 337 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: dig and I think probably having Roseanne there keeps them 338 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: honest about this. They're having to dig to, you know, 339 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: right from the perspective of somebody who is a Trump 340 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: supporter who does think that Trump is going to do 341 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: something uh for them. Right. It's like the black Panther 342 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: for white working class people, right, And I think this 343 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: is their Waconda. Yeah. And I think there are other 344 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: shows that do the same thing, Like I think Atlanta 345 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: is another example. That was something that kept jumping out 346 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: to me in the first season is how much of 347 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: that show is about like struggling to you know, like 348 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: go out on a date when when you don't have 349 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: the money and like very grounded in reality they were 350 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: grounded in economic realities, which is something like from back 351 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: when I was at Cracked. You know, we had people 352 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: who grew up fairly poor on our writing staff, and 353 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: anytime they would write articles about growing up poor and 354 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: you know what it's like to be poor, they would 355 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: get way more traffic than their normal articles would because people, 356 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: I think, are just so starved for content that reflects 357 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: the reality of life as the majority of people in 358 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: America live it, which is as you know, not somebody 359 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: who can afford a giant apartment in Manhattan, you know. 360 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: And like even Lady Bird was kind of like that 361 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: was like people like that was pre economic class like collapse, 362 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: like that was people living in the nineties era. Yeah, yeah, 363 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: watch did you watch show? I did not watch the show. 364 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: I um. I have issues with Rosanne herself and some 365 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: stuff she's had with transphobia on Twitter and historically, and 366 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: it's it's it's hard because it's one of these where 367 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: she deleted a lot of her old tweets when the 368 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 1: show was announced, and I think that may have been 369 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: the network asking her to do it, I'm not sure. 370 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: And all this stuff was happening in the era where 371 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,719 Speaker 1: tweets weren't as readily cataloged as they are now, so 372 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: you have it. You can find a lot of like 373 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: think pieces about the tweets, but there aren't screenshots of 374 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: its tweets, um, and like it was a little bit 375 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: rough and and so I and I kind of steer 376 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: clear of it because at times he's gotten prett aggresive 377 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: with people, um and so I'm a little aunty about 378 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: it now. One thing I will say about the show, um, 379 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 1: just from like reading about it, UM, is that there's 380 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: been a lot of things like, oh, how dare you 381 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: support Roseanne because she's a transphob And then people point 382 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: out that there is a character on the show that 383 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: is one of Darlene's children, and it's a boy who 384 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 1: is like general conforming and dresses in girls clothing on 385 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: the show, and that I guess Rosanna as a character 386 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: is very supportive of him. And uh, people have been 387 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,239 Speaker 1: going to see the show is not transphobic because as 388 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: a kid that works, dresses whatever. And I think that, 389 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,959 Speaker 1: like that is a oversimplification of what's happening in the situation. 390 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: So now I'm not saying this to attack it. I 391 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: actually think it's great they're doing this character, and I 392 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: think that it is really good you have a show 393 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: that it is hitting this market, Like you were saying, 394 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: that also addresses the idea of letting a kid in 395 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: a middle class culture, especially in Middle America, being able 396 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: to be openly expressive of general conformity and be able 397 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: to dress how it feels, and that's great. So a 398 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: hun percent support them doing that. So I don't want 399 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: to be seen like I'm attacking that, but I do 400 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: think that, like step back from using that as an 401 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: example of the show not being transphobic, because that does 402 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: not mean the show is not translate that. In fact, 403 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: Roseanne openly refers to trans woman, at least she did 404 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: on Twitter at the time when she was like really 405 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: engaging in this as men and dresses. So you could 406 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: even make the argument that like that they're making this 407 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: a boy who wear a dresses who is explicitly not 408 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: transgender as a way of being like, oh, this is 409 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: always really is and even though it's really two different things, 410 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: and they're not saying that one should not be showcased 411 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: and should not be celebrated, but it's just not It's 412 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: would be like if I'm gonna show and I'm of 413 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: Jewish essent, and someone's like, that show is not racist, 414 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: you got a jew on that, Like I have black friends, 415 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: but it's not even that, Like it's literally thing like 416 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: this different group of representative dumping attack. So like, I 417 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: don't think that that character of itself absolves Rosanne Barr 418 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: herself of her history with transphobia. And so I now, 419 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: I like the article that you guys linked to or 420 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: someone mentioned, uh, Andrea James, who is a trans writer 421 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: and like performer, like was praising the show when she 422 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 1: was in the shows at the end of day, she 423 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: was really funny. And that's what matters when anything, and 424 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: that's what's I can heal things. So there are trans 425 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: voices who are watching the show and saying that it's fine. 426 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: So for me, it's less about what the show is 427 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: doing and more my just about then herself. And so yeah, 428 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: I just idea as a kid never appealed to me. 429 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: But it just seemed like one of those things that 430 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: everyone knew, Like it was like a show that I 431 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: never watched, but I knew the character's names just because 432 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: like everyone would talk about it. But I don't know, Jack, 433 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: you watched it, Yeah, I watched it. A lot growing up, 434 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: and I didn't even realize, but you know, Norm McDonald 435 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: ended up being one my favorite comedians and he was 436 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: a writer on the show when I when I watched 437 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: it back then, and he's still a consulting producer. Whitney 438 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: Cummings is co showrunner, wanted the Psikes is writing on it. 439 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: It's like the writer's room is really impressive, and so 440 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna check it out. I just haven't had 441 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: a chance too yet. Yeah, And I'm not like, I 442 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 1: will probably check out at some point, and like it 443 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: is like again like going back to my own overrated earlier, 444 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: Like I think that there are people who are gonna 445 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: get something out of this and it's gonna be able 446 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: to useful for them, and so I you're not hating, 447 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: I'm not hating. I hope. I honestly, I think the 448 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: fact that they have a gender non performing kid on 449 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: the show is amazing and so I support I'm excited 450 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: about that. Um And you know, I'm hoping that the 451 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: people on the show, like Sarah Gilbert and John Goodman, 452 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: who have a perspective that is very different than what 453 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: was the embar respective is still are able to have 454 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: enough creative input in the show that it's not just 455 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: like a propaganda thing. And I'm optimistic for it. Yeah, 456 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: I just have an able to bring myself to watch 457 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: it for reasons. All Right, we're gonna take a quick break. 458 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: We will be right back, and we're back. And so 459 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: we wanted to start off with a controversy that is 460 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: erupting around. Uh. One of our podcast favorite talking has, 461 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: Laura Ingram, has decided to go after some of the 462 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: Marjorie Stoneman Douglas students and you know, shooting survivors for 463 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: not getting into the colleges that they wanted to get 464 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: into the height of intellectual just basically talking shit about 465 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: right because it specifically David hug because he didn't get 466 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: into like his top four choices for school, which were 467 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: you see schools um And Yeah, this has just been 468 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: a trend that I'm seeing a lot in conservative media 469 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: where they will uh try and show these kids subtly 470 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: in a negative light to make them seem, you know, 471 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: less impressive. You know, there's a big thing on I 472 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: think Drudge or one of the conservative outlets I check 473 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: where uh they're showing Emma Gonzalez singing a song that's 474 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: like not a great song or something, and you know, 475 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: like they're highlighting that for a reason, like they just 476 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: want to, you know, with without admitting that they're openly 477 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: attacking these kids. They want to make them look less 478 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: serious and less you know, amazing and impressive, which is 479 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: sort of how they have come across there. They're in 480 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: a bad position where they don't really have a lot 481 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: of good facts on their side to argue their point, 482 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: and they're up against there's an article in The New 483 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: Republic that just sort of talks about the smearing of 484 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: the students is sort of symptomatic of their like ideological 485 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: exhaustion on the right, And yeah, they're going up against 486 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: as they put it, they're facing a genuine conundrum. It's 487 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: like the students of the shootings and just other victim 488 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: in general, who are you know, voicing their opinions. They're 489 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: combining unimpeachable personal testimony, which is their experience surviving shootings, 490 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: with specific gun control policies that are popular with a 491 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: sizeable amount of Americans. It's like the worst enemy of 492 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: someone who's trying to actually have a debate. You're like, damn, Like, 493 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: I'm in a really bad spot. And so all they 494 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: can do is just attack the person, not the ideas. 495 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,719 Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, it shows you sort of like 496 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: where they are in terms of, uh, the tricks that 497 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: they have left in their back, which really isn't nothing. Now. 498 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: What's interesting about it too, is like their whole position 499 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: on like Trump's kids. It's like, oh, you shouldn't attack 500 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: the miners that are involved. And it's like we're like, how, 501 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: like it's fine to attack miners when it's someone you 502 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: disagree with, but when it's someone that's like on your side, 503 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: and like that's off limits, Like what are you doing? 504 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: You know? In the beginning, there was someone wrote, I 505 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: think the conservative person wrote about how these kids are 506 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: fair game now because they're actually public figures voicing controversial 507 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: opinions or whatever there for like they can be rebutted 508 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: but like in a respectful way. But now we've seen them, 509 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: like just Levy all kinds of like photos shopping an 510 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: Nazi uniform onto a kid is definitely beyond that. I'm 511 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: not saying it to you, I'm saying to them. But yeah, 512 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: like there's a certain point we got to go, well, no, 513 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: your bullying, like your bullying quote unquote, I think we 514 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: need to tell Miles to stop doing that if you 515 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: can become a problem. Yeah, my kids didn't know. Uh, well, guys, 516 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: this is how I find the limits. You have to 517 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: cross the boundaries to know where they are. Um. Yeah. 518 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: One direction that I've seen conservative media try to cover 519 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: things is that there's been a corresponding surge in n 520 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: r A funding and n r A donations on the right. Uh, 521 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: you know too combat the you know, students and the 522 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: surge in gun control. But so I was looking at 523 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: that because I kept hearing that, and I think I 524 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: talked about it in the past episode. But I actually 525 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: found what they were talking about, and it's basically five 526 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 1: thousand dollars more than they would normally make in like 527 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: a quarter they made, uh, in the order during that 528 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: the shooting took place. But the numbers they were like 529 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: which it was primarily comprised of two hundred dollar donations 530 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: or like around two hundred dollar donations, So that breaks 531 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: down to two thousand, five hundred people, which is not 532 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: a yeah, that's not that's not like really a huge 533 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: overwhelming like the number if two thousand, five hundred people 534 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 1: had showed up for even one of the marches that 535 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: they had had over the weekend, like the conservative media 536 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: would have been like talking about that and making a 537 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: point of how there wasn't grass roots support, like that's 538 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: not a lot of people. Well it's yeah, and interesting 539 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: how like they also do the bullying thing of like 540 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: they're saying, oh, these kids are bullies because they're using 541 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: the logic of they bullied the shooter into the position 542 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: of them shooting up the school and then they now 543 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: get to claim being victims despite being the bullies. But 544 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: then that argument doesn't track too because like there was 545 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: you know, there are a lot of tweets over the 546 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: weekend they were saying like oh, if if it's about 547 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: being bullying, then where all the trans and like lgbt uh, 548 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 1: you know the poor kids, overweight kids who are also 549 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: fucking bullied and why aren't they doing and it seems 550 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: it seems to be a specifically white male thing. Well, 551 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: that bullied thing is becoming a big thing. Now is 552 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: this whole walk up not out movement which is like 553 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: trying to like rebut the walkouts that were happening, and 554 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: that myth of the bully school shooter goes back all 555 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: the way to at least Columbine, if not further. And 556 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: there was the idea of like, oh, Dylan Clee Bold 557 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: and I can't Harris. I was trying to say, Dylan 558 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 1: Harris something that's not right, and that's Dylan roof. No. Yeah, 559 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: they like there was the whole argument, Oh they were 560 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: bullies and they were like mocked in school and they were, 561 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: but like then then it's like you get photos of 562 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: them in like a full limo going to prom and 563 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: like they weren't. They were just like they were Like 564 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: it's like like this Nicholas Cruise guy, Like there's that 565 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: article that came out this week that was written by 566 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: a Parkland student or interviewed was like I was nice 567 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: to Nicholas Cruise and he still killed my friends. Like 568 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: it wasn't like this idea. I remember when I was 569 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: in school after Columbine because of that narrative, Oh, the 570 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: bullied kid is who the school shooter is. Then what 571 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: happens is then everyone becomes afraid of the kid who's 572 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: already isolated and already being bullied because like, oh, now 573 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 1: he's going to shoot the school and like makes it 574 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: ten times worse for that kid. We had a student 575 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: at my school who basically the rumor became he was 576 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: going to shoot up the prom and people were like, 577 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: and he actually I don't know if he sued the 578 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: school or not, but I remember that was a big 579 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: deal to where I made a comment about it when 580 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: the walkout happened, where I said, this is how my 581 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: generation reacted to it. My school picked a kid who 582 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: was already tormented and made him into a school shooter. Mentally, 583 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: he wasn't a school shooter. Yeah, And like, somebody messaged 584 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 1: me about it, and ago, I was just thinking about 585 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: and they said him by names. They knew exactly who 586 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,959 Speaker 1: I was talking about. They remembered this kid from twenty 587 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: years ago that was being called this same thing. And 588 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: so it is definitely this is the worst argument because 589 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: it's basically just for isolates kids who are already isolated, 590 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: and they're not going to be school shootings like victims, 591 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: and they're probably don get shot by a school shooter. 592 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: It's also a false narrative. The Deep Dive book into 593 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: Columbin that won one of the major literature prizes, points 594 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: out that it wasn't a situation where either than were 595 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: really bullied. One of the kids was kind of a 596 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: loner who was just like kind of a moby kid 597 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: who was open to you know, persuasion, and the other 598 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,239 Speaker 1: kid was just a from birth to the time. He 599 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: did this complete psychopath like clinical criminal psychopath in every 600 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: sense of the word, and he manipulated this other kid 601 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: into doing it with him. And that's it. That's what happened. 602 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: A person who was a maniac criminally dranged person created 603 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: this crime. But we turned it into a morality play 604 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: on like high school, which is blaming the kids who 605 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: were being murdered for not being like psychologists who could 606 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: help fix. Granted, yeah we should fully people in high 607 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: school that like, we're not pro bollant. But I don't 608 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: know about you, but I had my ship fully together 609 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: by yeah, yeah, yeah I was. I was. When did 610 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: you then lose it because you don't have it now? No, No, 611 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: I lost it when I was broken up within college two. 612 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: I mean, like I was a close transcit in high school. 613 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: So I was like always a little bit isolated and 614 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: always a little bit disconnected from everything, and I was 615 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: tormented and people didn't even know that I was trans, 616 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: Like I was not at all open because but I 617 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: think when you have a secret. People can just sense 618 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: it about you and like that. Even up until through 619 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: my senior year, I was getting like picked on and 620 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: tormented and stuff like that. So like it's like, and 621 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: I never once was like I'm gonna shoot up with school. 622 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I thought about hurting myself right tragically, that's 623 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: usually the yeah, the conclusion a lot of kids come 624 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: to a self harm Yeah, but yeah, and when now 625 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: Laura Ingram is definitely facing the music because I think, 626 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: you know, Rachel Ray Nutrition is no longer advertising with her. 627 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: I think Wayfair dog food, I think like Wayfair and 628 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: a couple other companies, so that I guess got her 629 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: into year and she just did the most. Half past 630 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: apology was saying something about like, in the spirit of 631 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: Holy Week, I'm looking back and like, I don't feel 632 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: bad for if I heard any of the brave students 633 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: of the shooting. It's just it's like, no, you're crying 634 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: because you're losing your ad. Even when she was even 635 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: when she was talking about it, it wasn't like she 636 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: was like ha ha, you loser. She was just like, hey, 637 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: looks like this guy didn't get into college. Easy to 638 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: predict with like the acceptance rates in his grades, there's 639 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: only a four point one just like gossipy crazy ship 640 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: that's like you're a nationally like you're an adult, an 641 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: adult who's like a media figure talking about a kid 642 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: who like that's that ship. Another high school student says 643 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: to another high schools to where Yeah, and then you're 644 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: gonna say something about bullying, like how really? Yeah? Yeah, 645 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: the bullying narrative is not one that Like I remember 646 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: Emma Gonzalez in her the first speech that kind of 647 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: put her on the map and like started this whole thing, 648 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: was saying, you guys, don't know this person people accuse 649 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: us of, you know, being mean, And I didn't know 650 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: what she was talking about. But yeah, that is apparently 651 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: a real narrative that it's like these students who were 652 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: bullies and uh yeah. There's also apparently a lot of 653 00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: sympathy for the shooter himself just in general, like because 654 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: this narrative that he was a bully, that he really was. 655 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know anything about this this shooter. 656 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: I haven't read the article about being nice to him, 657 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: and I haven't read it because it's kind of promatizing, 658 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: kind of triggering a little bit. But like I need 659 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: to read it at some point. But yeah, like I 660 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: think that, like when you make someone it is like 661 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: this martyr character, and you're gonna have people who suddenly 662 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: you're like, well, I feel bad for well. Yeah, apparently 663 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: he's been receiving, as they say, scores of mail from fans, 664 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: like across the country, you know, while he awaits trial 665 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: for seventeen council murder. But yeah, like apparently it's been 666 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: everything from like donations to his commissary account, which is 667 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: critical for people who want to get food in jail 668 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: that isn't in anyway, from donations to his commissary account 669 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: to straight like thirsty photos from teenage girls that are 670 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: like scantily clad and saying like I'm beautiful, I want 671 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: to be with you, and like, you know, there was 672 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: another one of an eight year old from New York. 673 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: Someone told him to keep his head up and said, 674 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: no one else is dealing with your demons, meaning maybe 675 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,719 Speaker 1: defeating them could be the beginning of your meaning friend, 676 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: which was interesting as well as like an older woman 677 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: from Chicago send him nine photos, including the shots of 678 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: her cleavage in a bikini, eating a popsicle, close up 679 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: of her backside. Yeah, I mean, it's not new because 680 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: people happens every time. People are you know, get hybristephilia, whatever, 681 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: the people like sexually aroused over someone like doing criminal 682 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: ship or like horribly heinous ship, like you know, many 683 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: serial killers have had plenty of fans and stuff like that, 684 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: but it's just the public defender who's representing him was 685 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: just really shaking because it's like it's a lot of 686 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: teenage girls too, and it just felt slightly like it's right, Yeah, 687 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: and I think that I wonder this is a really 688 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: off the deep end thought, but I wonder if it 689 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: has something to do too with like a lot of 690 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: y A oriented things have like these antihero character right, 691 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: like Fixed the Monster. Yeah, and I do wonder like 692 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: they're like, like I like that in my fiction because 693 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: I do think that very few people are inherently evil 694 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: and all that just misinformed or whatever. But like, as 695 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: a Harry Potter fan, I am a Slytherin as my house, 696 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: and I have gotten plenty of arguments as to like 697 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: why Slitherin is not inherently evil and like you can 698 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: be a good Slitherin and like and like I think 699 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: that like what's interesting in like the Harry Potter the 700 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 1: Curse of child Play that was written later. They really 701 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,879 Speaker 1: do a lot to kind of like recon why Drake 702 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: on Malfoy is the way he is. I do wonder 703 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: if it's like that element of people have elements like 704 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: even like in Star Wars, like there's so much in 705 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: the most recent way about like can Kylo Reren be 706 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: brought back in the Dark Side? Can he be fixed? 707 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: And I think there's something that that kind of fiction 708 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: like maybe makes people go, oh bad, I can fix this. 709 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: I'm not saying he can't be quote unquote fixed like rebuility, 710 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: but if that's where people sympathy, but yeah, and I 711 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: mean that's also how the media covers these people. The media, 712 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: you know, wants to We've been seeing some criticism of 713 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: the New York Times for their coverage of the Austin bomber, 714 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: just the preferred domestic terrorists, the domestic terrorists who they 715 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: were covering as like a good kid from a good family, 716 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,879 Speaker 1: who from loving family or something like that, like that, 717 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 1: like you're saying that makes for a more compelling villain. 718 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,760 Speaker 1: But the media needs to start taking seriously their responsibility 719 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 1: to you know, as a mouthpiece to the public and like, 720 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 1: this is something that was done in Germany when some 721 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,720 Speaker 1: German guy like fifteen years ago their last mass shooting 722 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: went on a shooting spree at like a preschool, and uh, 723 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: they didn't show his picture on the news and they 724 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: didn't put his name out, and it was like they 725 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: were trying to experiment with this idea of you know, 726 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: not doing that, and we need to take a serious 727 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: look at how we're covering these people. That gets the 728 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: problem in general news as a commodity. You know, it's 729 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: I don't even know how you scale back that nowadays, 730 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: because like infotainment whatever, it's such a prevalent part of 731 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: our society, like with the twenty news cycle and like 732 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: cable news and also internet clickbait. But like back when 733 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: news first came on like TV, it was an hour 734 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: of like a loss hour you put on like as 735 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: an exchange for Braby on government air waves, and it 736 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: was much more informative. But now it's like, oh, it's interesting, 737 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: here's a really cool, interesting take on this bomber that 738 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: makes them sympathetic, and then people are quick on that 739 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: and then we're gonna make profits and like, I don't 740 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 1: know how we now in eighteen versus like years ago 741 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: in Germany when that wasn't as much of a thing. 742 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: How do we fix that? Because I think it is 743 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: an issue. I think you're right, but I don't really 744 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: do At the very least, the media can emphasize the 745 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: sort of talking about the victims and what can be 746 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: done to prevent this kind of thing, rather than just 747 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: getting fixated on like, well why did this one happen? 748 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 1: Like you know, they tell the stories of the victims, 749 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 1: like tell the stories like these people. What will humanize 750 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: the victims more than the fucking perpetrators crimes? How about that? 751 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: It seems like a simple start. Yeah, and I mean 752 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: this is not something I have any hope of happening. Uh. 753 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: You know, the last time this was really put forward, 754 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,359 Speaker 1: there's a expert on you know, media coverage of these 755 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: sorts of events who just keeps banging this drum like, 756 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 1: don't show the picture, don't do the name, tell all 757 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: the other details you need to, but no picture, no name, 758 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: and don't show like there are these weird things that 759 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 1: he says matter, like don't show sirens when uh you're 760 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,240 Speaker 1: doing the news coverage, because that is like a sign 761 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: of you know, Oh, it's exciting. It's like drawing everybody's 762 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: attention to it. But um, I've read a Washington Post 763 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: op ed from one of their reporters be I'm like, 764 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 1: this is ridiculous. We owe it to the people to 765 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: like tell them what they want to know. And it's 766 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: just like not really, man, you you have a responsibilit 767 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: it's not what your responsibility is, right, But things like 768 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: that's the school of journalism they've probably going through. They 769 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: they believe that's what where they want to And like 770 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: it's so hard in a culture where we do have 771 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: freedom of the press, which is great, but how do 772 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: we then go, no, you can't report it that way, 773 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: Like it's hard to have a conversation that's more about 774 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: the ethics of something than the legalities of something, because 775 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,919 Speaker 1: if as long as it's legal to do it this way, 776 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: people are going to continue to do it. Like even 777 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: if fifty papers say we're not gonna do it anymore, 778 00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,399 Speaker 1: and then the one that does it then sells more 779 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: because you got to keep up. It's like, I don't 780 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 1: know how we overhaul the culture to kind of like 781 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: move away from that kind of element. Very least, the 782 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 1: very least get people to be able to pass through 783 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: the coverage and know, like what they're seeing might not 784 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 1: be the best version of the coverage at the very least. 785 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna take a quick break. We'll be 786 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: right back. And we're back, and we wanted to talk 787 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,800 Speaker 1: a little bit that there's this Reddit thread that somebody 788 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,240 Speaker 1: tweeted at us. Sorry for not getting your name, I'll 789 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: shout you out somewhere, but they tweeted at us because 790 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,879 Speaker 1: someone was basically like, hey, non Americans have Reddit. What's 791 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: the biggest news story in your country right now? You know, 792 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: what is your Stormy Daniels at this moment? What is 793 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,359 Speaker 1: your Austin domestic terrorist at this moment? And uh, you 794 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: know the answers were these really you know, crazy stories, 795 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 1: but also stories that I don't know that they would 796 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: rise to the top of the media pile for the 797 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: reasons we're just discussing of, Like, you know, American media 798 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:14,720 Speaker 1: needs sensationalism, and these are more just kind of overall 799 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: interesting things that are happening in countries that affect a 800 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: lot of people. But they're definitely not the most you know, 801 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,800 Speaker 1: sensational stories. Uh, Like in New Zealand, their prime minister 802 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 1: is pregnant, which is I think the first time that 803 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: a head of state has been pregnant, well in office. 804 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: Let him know. That's really cool and I'm sure there 805 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: are all sorts of really interesting stories to tell about that. 806 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't I don't know what would that 807 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 1: be a huge story if Hillary was in office and pregnant, well, 808 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: probably because she's you know, way postman apostle. That would 809 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: be science. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, isn't Tammy 810 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 1: Duckworth pregnant right now? Yeah? So I mean we have 811 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 1: people in office, but yeah, I guess not ahead of 812 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 1: state though that that's significant. But we we have a head 813 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: of state who was threatening to have fist fights with 814 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: a former vice head of state on Twitter, So I 815 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: think we can talk about emotions and what like how 816 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 1: crazy is some mean pregnant would be? Imagine if it 817 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,839 Speaker 1: was somebody who which is funny because in a poll 818 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 1: that was taken, most people thought Joe Biden would win 819 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: that fight. But I love that someone actually was petty 820 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,800 Speaker 1: enough to have a poll. Yeah, I mean, like women 821 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: have babies. I mean says women have babies, and like 822 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: I think, like, yes, if you're gonna start pretty more 823 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,400 Speaker 1: women in power. You're going to have more women in 824 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 1: power who are having children. Will they shouldn't have to 825 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,359 Speaker 1: like stop running a country, Like it's not like the 826 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: prime minister doesn't have assistance to help her raise a 827 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,319 Speaker 1: child while also being prime minister, and like that's you know, 828 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,799 Speaker 1: there is so much to point out that like being 829 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 1: a it's this woman and having a child does not 830 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 1: mean you have to give it your whole life and 831 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: that like it's okay, it's I think we're gonna see 832 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: more and more of a happening until it's not a 833 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 1: big deal anymore. For sure, I hope we do. Yeah. 834 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: Egypt just talking about the election that they just had. 835 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,160 Speaker 1: They just had a sort of a similar election to 836 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 1: Putin's quote win in Russia in the Russian quote election 837 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: because so that the person wrote apparently the guy running 838 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 1: against CC voted for him in the booth because he 839 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 1: couldn't see his name and not vote for him. Was 840 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: like how his opponent said it. He was like, I 841 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 1: was just overcome with the grandeur of the incumbent and 842 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 1: had to vote for him. So the whole election is 843 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 1: a sham. They put up a candidate who is obviously 844 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 1: you know a straw man. Uh. In Austria, this just 845 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: reminds me of better times. In Austria, the former government 846 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: established a law to ban smoking from restaurants and bars, 847 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: but the newly voted government abolished the law before it 848 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 1: came into effect. I remember when Yeah, now, like they 849 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: stopped it from being outlawed. Uh so yeah, I mean 850 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,280 Speaker 1: that's also not good new government. What else is different 851 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 1: the new government? Besides they're smoking rules. It could be like, wait, 852 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: right wing on top of everything, but I do I 853 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: do remember when smoking was being outlawed from like different 854 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,800 Speaker 1: places in public and that was our biggest news story 855 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: in America. Like, god, those are the days, those days 856 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: back um Iran. This is an interesting sort of blend 857 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: of state controlled media. Is their government wants the people 858 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: to support domestic production, even though, according to this reditor, 859 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 1: most of it is hot garbage. They've already started passing 860 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 1: shitty laws banning certain imports. So sort of a combination 861 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: of them messaging people to try and get them interested 862 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 1: in those things and then accurate reporting being like this, 863 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,719 Speaker 1: this is not good for our economy. Yeah. The South Africa, though, 864 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 1: they're going through it. They put someone in jail for 865 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,879 Speaker 1: the first time for talking some racist bullshit, which is 866 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,720 Speaker 1: crazy to be this woman, Vicky Momberg use racist language 867 00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,319 Speaker 1: against these police. Uh the specifically the K word, which 868 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,319 Speaker 1: is like the most offensive racial slur in the country. Uh. 869 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 1: And it was like a viral video uh that because 870 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,479 Speaker 1: like this woman was robbed and then she was saying 871 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 1: she wouldn't speak with the black police, would only speak 872 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,920 Speaker 1: with a white person. Uh. And she was given what 873 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 1: like a three year sentence with one year suspended for 874 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 1: like using this kind of hate speech, which is very 875 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,360 Speaker 1: interesting because that's parked all kinds of debate sort of 876 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: not just in South Africa, even like people in America 877 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: kind of the idea of you know, criminalizing speech is 878 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,840 Speaker 1: sort of crazy to us because of the First Amendment. 879 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 1: But you know in Canada, France, like in Germany, they 880 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,279 Speaker 1: already they already have laws that like you can be 881 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: penalized criminally for you know, like hate speech. So it's 882 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,200 Speaker 1: it's crazy to see, especially in a country like South Africa, 883 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,920 Speaker 1: for them to really really kind of I'm not not 884 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 1: to s just the South Africa's like, you know, completely 885 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 1: aboupside down, but it's crazy that they're following through on 886 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,759 Speaker 1: things like this, like it really try and crack down 887 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 1: on hate speech, because I'm sure there's many countries, this 888 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,759 Speaker 1: country especially could do with something like that, or to 889 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 1: look at our laws. Well, South Africa is interesting in 890 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,359 Speaker 1: that South Africa has such an even more brutal like 891 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 1: but the history of apart type and stuff like that 892 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 1: they've gone, they've swung so far in their direction is 893 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 1: interesting and kind of notable. So yeah, and like I know, 894 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 1: at first, like her lawyers were trying to say that 895 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 1: she was in a very frazzled state after being robbed, 896 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 1: although you know, other witnesses came to sort of corroborate that, 897 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: like she had sort of always been racist, and I 898 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 1: think the judge found her to be sort of completely unremorseful. 899 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, that's that is something to think 900 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,399 Speaker 1: about because there are people who are sort of unrepentant 901 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 1: hateful people. And yeah, where is that line where you 902 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,240 Speaker 1: have a democratic, free society where yeah, you have free speech, 903 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,320 Speaker 1: but you also understand that there's types of speech that 904 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,799 Speaker 1: that humiliate and harm people, and how do you deal 905 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 1: with that? Yeah, maybe it's just my little bit of 906 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 1: civic pride that I have left over and it's like 907 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,840 Speaker 1: one bridge that I feel like, even I as super 908 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,440 Speaker 1: liberal as I am, and as someone who hates being 909 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,400 Speaker 1: miss gendered and hates being called you know, slurs, I 910 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,520 Speaker 1: just I don't know if I feel comfortable moving that 911 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: because it can be a slippery slope. Yeah, because yeah, 912 00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,440 Speaker 1: it's such that that is one thing where I'm like, ah, 913 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,799 Speaker 1: that's like, I mean, I'm a boy. I wish there 914 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,759 Speaker 1: was Like I think the way that we do it now, 915 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,399 Speaker 1: where's kind of the quarter of public opinion, is sort 916 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,360 Speaker 1: of the way that like can also backfire. And that's 917 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,400 Speaker 1: why it's like it's so hard to tell what the 918 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 1: limit is and like what should be criminalized and what shouldn't, 919 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,560 Speaker 1: And so I tend to lean more towards still keeping 920 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 1: speech free. Um, and like in this case, I feel 921 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,120 Speaker 1: like what she could also have been arrested for in 922 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 1: the exact same scenario is like resisting arrests or like 923 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,879 Speaker 1: like failure to comply with the direction. Like that's that's 924 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,360 Speaker 1: more what's happening here. I mean, then they actually have 925 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,279 Speaker 1: these laws, but like the same situation in America, the 926 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 1: same person could be arrested and it wouldn't because of 927 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 1: what she said. But because of her actions and what 928 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,000 Speaker 1: she was doing in the situation, which I think is important. 929 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,520 Speaker 1: Like I think that usually in cases where someone is 930 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,759 Speaker 1: using hate speech here you can kind of usually prove 931 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,920 Speaker 1: some sort of discrimination as involved it too, and that's 932 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,960 Speaker 1: where you can maybe get into a more legal Ye 933 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,520 Speaker 1: for me, the idea of like you have like systematically 934 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,759 Speaker 1: define what a slur is and like what they like, 935 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,359 Speaker 1: I could see that. You know, laws are put in 936 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,080 Speaker 1: place to prevent the saying of racist things, but then 937 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:07,360 Speaker 1: when a Republican comes into power, than using the word 938 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,880 Speaker 1: racist becomes against the law. But it does at the 939 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,400 Speaker 1: very least it sort of stimulates these sort of conversations, 940 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,440 Speaker 1: you know, like how do you because I know, ideally 941 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,719 Speaker 1: we want to figure out a way to uh dissuade 942 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,360 Speaker 1: people from speaking like this or holding these you but 943 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, some people may just you know, be so 944 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,200 Speaker 1: lost that they cannot be changed. Yeah. I want to 945 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,120 Speaker 1: hear more from our South African listeners if we have 946 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,319 Speaker 1: any out there, they're out there. South Africa is bonkers, man. 947 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,239 Speaker 1: We did. We did an interview with somebody who lived 948 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,720 Speaker 1: in South Africa talking just about like the weaponized cars 949 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,960 Speaker 1: that they have because carjackings are so common. They have 950 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,959 Speaker 1: like cars that shoot fire out of the south James 951 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 1: Plan playing guitar. It's very mother on his face. Uh Riley, 952 00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,080 Speaker 1: it has been a pleasure as always having you. Where 953 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,239 Speaker 1: can people find you? Follow you, learn more about you. 954 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,840 Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Riley j Silverman 955 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,040 Speaker 1: and right now the best thing to do check me 956 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 1: out is I am in a TV series called Take 957 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,480 Speaker 1: My Wife, which is now available on iTunes. I think 958 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,080 Speaker 1: it was kind of lost in the void last time 959 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 1: I was here, but it is back from the void. 960 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,000 Speaker 1: It is on iTunes. You can get season one and 961 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,359 Speaker 1: two for one iTunes and I am in season two. 962 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:31,799 Speaker 1: Nice guest startles me on social media at Miles of 963 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,960 Speaker 1: Gray on Twitter and The Graham You can follow me 964 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,920 Speaker 1: at Jack Underscore O'Brien on Twitter. We are at Daily's 965 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,680 Speaker 1: Like on Twitter, where at the Daily's Like Ice on Instagram. 966 00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,480 Speaker 1: We have Facebook fan page and a website daily Like 967 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,439 Speaker 1: dot com where we post our episodes and our foot 968 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,279 Speaker 1: where we link off to the articles containing the information 969 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,759 Speaker 1: that we talked about on today's episode. Also, we just 970 00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 1: changed platforms that we're posting and publishing our episode on 971 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,279 Speaker 1: and we have heard from some of you having technical difficulties. 972 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 1: If you are having technical difficulties, please reach out to 973 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,440 Speaker 1: us on Twitter or you know, however, and please let 974 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,560 Speaker 1: us know what you're listening to the show on, like 975 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,560 Speaker 1: what application you're using and what type of you know, 976 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,600 Speaker 1: hardware you have, what type of phone or if you're 977 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,640 Speaker 1: listening your laptop. Uh, and that will help us get 978 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,920 Speaker 1: to the bottom of it. Uh, that's gonna do it 979 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,799 Speaker 1: for today. Miles. Do you have a song to write 980 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,839 Speaker 1: us out on? Yeah, let's play this song always by 981 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 1: the band Junip that I really like. That's Jose Gonzalez. 982 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,719 Speaker 1: You might have preferred to him, but this is his band. Uh. 983 00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,800 Speaker 1: And you know, I just like the smooth sounds of 984 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,560 Speaker 1: the Swedish man and his band. You know, screwber. Just 985 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,560 Speaker 1: keep loving your heart always. That's my message to And 986 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,920 Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for today. We will be back 987 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,480 Speaker 1: tomorrow because it is a daily podcast. Talk to you then, 988 00:48:50,760 --> 00:49:12,719 Speaker 1: By holding on tired, come to the dead sky, no 989 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:19,600 Speaker 1: matters as across the lawn, step by stead and to 990 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:27,800 Speaker 1: the darn holding on tired, Come to the dead sky, 991 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:38,879 Speaker 1: to the dead no matter what do my change always 992 00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:50,279 Speaker 1: always to the end. She got away all they always 993 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:58,600 Speaker 1: always alway, don't make courts and distant bells to what's 994 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:04,919 Speaker 1: been all the ships a phone holy tied too much 995 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:14,399 Speaker 1: confirmed holding, I'm tied up to the sky no matter, 996 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:24,239 Speaker 1: want to my change always always to the as she 997 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:34,759 Speaker 1: further away, always, always, always always I'm gonna want to 998 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:50,160 Speaker 1: my change always always to treat filing away always always 999 00:50:50,239 --> 00:51:43,040 Speaker 1: always always do. I'm gonna want change all alway matter 1000 00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:59,120 Speaker 1: why did I change alway? The way always always always 1001 00:51:59,160 --> 00:51:59,279 Speaker 1: sh