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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Hello and welcome to the Weird Hunt Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Mark Kenyon, and this is episode number

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Speaker 1: four teen. Today we're diving into one of the greatest

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Speaker 1: challenges facing hunters, getting hunting permission on private land. We've

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Speaker 1: got some great tips, tricks, and stories, so stick around

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Speaker 1: and enjoy. All right, welcome to the Weird Hunt Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hear me today is my co host Dan Johnson, him

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Speaker 1: Bud Mark. I think our friendship has has grown over

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Speaker 1: the past couple a week since we've done the podcast.

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Speaker 1: And when you go away for a week out west

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Speaker 1: and you don't keep in communication with me, I get worried.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but it just you know, I thought I

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Speaker 1: thought we had a good enough relationship to where you

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Speaker 1: could tell me where you're, where you're at, what you're doing,

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Speaker 1: if you're safe. You know, I you know, I let

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Speaker 1: you down. You're right, Just don't let it happen again.

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Speaker 1: I really did. Yeah, And I was in Colorado with

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Speaker 1: no cell phone or internet or GPS or any of

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Speaker 1: that stuff. But I should have found a way to

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Speaker 1: get a hold of you. You're absolutely right, Oh man.

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Speaker 1: It was a good vacation though, like you said, I was.

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Speaker 1: I was gone all last week backpacking out in the

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Speaker 1: mountains of Colorado, and cheese is gorgeous, gorgeous country. Oh man,

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Speaker 1: I'm jealous, so jealous. Yeah, it's um. I got a

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Speaker 1: thing for the mountains. I love getting out there deep

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Speaker 1: in them, away from people. And so yeah, we spent

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Speaker 1: six days I think, out in northern Colorado. Um, just

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Speaker 1: all up in the mountains there and Rocky Mountain National

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Speaker 1: Park and the Comanchee Peak Wilderness. And then in three

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Speaker 1: weeks my wife and I are gonna do a ten

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Speaker 1: day backpacking trip in Glacier National Park out in Montana.

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Speaker 1: So well, if for some reason you're you have a

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Speaker 1: suitcase that way is somewhere around two pounds, don't open

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Speaker 1: it until you get there, all right, I will. I

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Speaker 1: will make sure I don't do that. The tough thing

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Speaker 1: might be convincing my wife not to wonder what it's

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Speaker 1: make sure, just you know, tell her trust me. Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's rarely goes over with her, but I'll give it

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Speaker 1: a good shot. But yeah, I'm back in business here

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Speaker 1: in Michigan, and you know, our attention is turned back

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Speaker 1: to white tails. I got back on Sunday, and right

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Speaker 1: away I went out and checked trial cameras and um,

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Speaker 1: I was planting food plots. Is past Monday, so you know,

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Speaker 1: definitely right back in the swing of things. Season is

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Speaker 1: gonna be here before we know it. That's right, anything

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Speaker 1: disappointed to the truth so far. Um. You might remember

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Speaker 1: one of those bucks I've been um hunting the past

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Speaker 1: He disappeared towards you to the last season, but I've

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Speaker 1: been hopeful he'd be around, but no sign him yet. Um.

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Speaker 1: He'll he'll definitely be a shooter. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: this past week for some reason, the Iowa tag draw

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Speaker 1: my buddy Ryan, who has been filming for me for

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Speaker 1: what do you usually take two weeks off that time?

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Speaker 1: Two weeks for you know? And I base it off

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Speaker 1: You know, we actually had plans to have a guest

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Speaker 1: you know, myself included sometimes. So so what do you

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Speaker 1: our newsletter, UM, one of the questions I always ask

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Speaker 1: to finding places to hunt. So, you know, this is

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Speaker 1: a big challenge for people and over the years. You know,

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Speaker 1: And it all started when we had Bernie, right, Bernie

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Speaker 1: and I've narrowed it down now to Nebraska. But so

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Speaker 1: you can come hunt my property. So I was. I

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Speaker 1: tried to be a good grandson, and I called my

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Speaker 1: well you should. You should contact your grandpa's cousin like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: well what do they do? Well, they have a cattle

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Speaker 1: sees white tails, antelopes, and mule deer on a daily

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Speaker 1: I have access to thousand six acres. Good night. Now,

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Speaker 1: got lucky on this. Okay. I really didn't have to

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Speaker 1: But that's cool. And I think one of the things

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Speaker 1: maybe UM, if you don't mind, Dan, I'll kind of

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Speaker 1: and talk through our different ideas for going through that process,

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Speaker 1: what to do it excellence? So all right, let's say hypothetical,

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Speaker 1: not even hypothetically, I'm actually in this situation right now. Um,

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Speaker 1: posted an article on word hunt about why I decided

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Speaker 1: to cancel my plans to hunt in Iowa. Remember that one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I decided that ton of Iowa because of budget issues,

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Speaker 1: and instead I decided to hunt Indiana, which is right

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Speaker 1: that being the case, I don't know anyone in Indiana,

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Speaker 1: I don't have any property hunt Indiana. I'm starting from

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Speaker 1: ground zero. So UM, maybe I'll just walk you through

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Speaker 1: plan is, UM, So to start before looking for a

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Speaker 1: already decided on Indiana as the state. UM. And you

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Speaker 1: talking to random people knocking on doors asking to you know,

428
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 1: use their land. If you can just suck up, suck

429
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: it up one day and just go do it, you

430
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 1: can get out of the way and you'll you'll feel

431
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,400
Speaker 1: a lot better afterwards. And the worst thing that they're

432
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: going to tell you is no. But even though I've

433
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: been told no way more times than I've been told yes.

434
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 1: Typically it's followed by hey, thanks for asking permission first,

435
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 1: because a lot of these people have had trust pastors.

436
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: You know, they bust trust pastors all the time. Yeah, yeah,

437
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 1: that's true. Like you said, I mean, right now, before

438
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: you have permission, the answer already is no. So nothing

439
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: worse can happen than than being told no again. So

440
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: so and and don't give up. I mean, I have

441
00:22:54,920 --> 00:23:01,360
Speaker 1: asked this. I've asked this particular property owner five no, no, no.

442
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 1: This year will be the sixth year and I haven't

443
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 1: asked him yet, but I'm gonna go ask him. I

444
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: asked him every year and I say, hey, um, just

445
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: kind of curious if any positions have opened up. I

446
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: know the answers are going to be no. But the

447
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 1: second that whoever quits hunting there, they're gonna see they're

448
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: gonna know me, and they're gonna say, you know, hey,

449
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: Dan Johnson wants to hunt here, let's let him hunt. Yeah.

450
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 1: That's a great, great point, um. And I think something

451
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: related to that is the fact that every time you ask,

452
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 1: you're probably going about it in such a way that

453
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 1: they'll remember you positively, so that when it does come

454
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 1: around to your possible opportunity, they're gonna think, hey, that

455
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 1: Dan Johnson guy was half decent? Am I right? That's right,

456
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: that's right. I mean, it's just just being nice. That's

457
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 1: that's all these people want. And they're gonna tell you, hey,

458
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,239
Speaker 1: I already have hunters, I hunt myself, or no, I

459
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: don't allow hunting. I mean their property, they can do

460
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: whatever they want to with it. Um. But if you

461
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 1: come across as an a hole, of course they're going

462
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: to tell you know, yeah, yeah, you have to be

463
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: polite understanding, um. And this this whole idea of how

464
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 1: you present yourself when you're asking for permission, it's pretty important,

465
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 1: I think. But before I want to talk about that,

466
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: but quickly before we do that, I want to jump

467
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 1: on something that is related to what you just said.

468
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 1: You know, they're gonna say no, or they're gonna say

469
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: somebody else is hunting the property, or I hunt the property,

470
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 1: something I like to do. Whenever I'm in that situation,

471
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: which you know, eight times at ten or nine times

472
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: at ten, that's what happens. I always make sure to

473
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, be polite, understanding, but then

474
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: always ask, you know, hey, do you by chance to

475
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 1: know anybody else I should talk to you? Or is

476
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: there anyone else in the area that you might have

477
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: an opening or is looking at you know, have a

478
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: few deer taken, whatever it might be. I always ask

479
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 1: that question just in case. And most times they'll say, well,

480
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: maybe talk to Joe Johnson down the street or talk

481
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 1: to so and so he might have a spot. I

482
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 1: usually always get a lead right right, and the other thing,

483
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 1: be certain or let them know what season you want

484
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: to hunt, because for me, I don't gun hunt, I

485
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,479
Speaker 1: don't shotgun hunt, I don't muzzle loader hunt. I am

486
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: strictly bow hunting. A lot of these properties have hunters

487
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: on them, but not bow hunters, because you know, more

488
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: people gun hunt than bow hunt. There's there's your there's

489
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: another possible opening for you to say, Hey, I don't

490
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, I'm looking to bow hunt only I don't

491
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: gun hunt. I'm not interested in gun hunting. Let them

492
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: know that, because then they don't think of you as

493
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: just another hunter. You're a bow hunter and there's a

494
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: completely different season for that, and you're not going to

495
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: ruin their gun hunting. Yeah, that is a really good point.

496
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: And I think also for a lot of people, especially

497
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: those that aren't as comfortable with hunting, the idea of

498
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: a bow hunter versus a gun hunter is something they

499
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: feel more comfortable with. Think, yeah, exactly. And some people

500
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: just start kind of nervous about people walking around their

501
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: property with guns, but a boat, you know, doesn't really

502
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: strike that same kind of concern. So that's a really

503
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,239
Speaker 1: good idea to make sure you mentioned that, um, and

504
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: I've That's how I have gained majority of my access

505
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: because all of the all the pieces that I hunt

506
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: have shotgun hunters that hunt them after I'm done with

507
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: the property, so I'm getting first DIBs uh most of

508
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: the time, and and then knowing that okay, he's not

509
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: going to ruin anything on our drives. UM, you know,

510
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm out until shed hunting season. Critically, Yeah, yeah, that's great. UM.

511
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: So jumping back to what we were just talking about

512
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: before the presentation, and we are already talked about, you know,

513
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: just being nice and polite and everything. But I also

514
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: think there's a couple other things that will impact how

515
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 1: the landowner perceives you when you're asking or after you ask,

516
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: And you know, one of the first things is your

517
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: dress code, like how you actually are physically presented. Um.

518
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I've always thought clean cut, um. Not

519
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: overly fancy though, and obviously not dirty. I would you know,

520
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: I typically wear like a nice pair of jeans and

521
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 1: a button down shirt UM or you know, khaki's in

522
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: a polo or something. Depends on where you're at, where

523
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: you're asking, depends on the culture there and everything. But

524
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: just make sure they think that you look like a

525
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: decent individual um. But definitely don't show up in like

526
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: a suit and tie UM. Or at the same time,

527
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: don't show up or and cut off jeans and a

528
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: wife beater. I think right, I think that's that's that's

529
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: a good thing to mention, is me. I will go

530
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: to their door. And I'm not talking filthy dirty, but

531
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: something that makes it look like you're a hard working person,

532
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, A little dirt on the

533
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: jeans or on your on your dickies or um, you know,

534
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: just a T shirt, a hat, maybe some gloves in

535
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: your back pocket, a pair of work boots. Something that shows, hey,

536
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm a hard working person. You can trust me. And

537
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: you know I have I have a pretty big beard

538
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: right now. And I had people, you know, feel comfortable,

539
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, maybe from a first impression if they look me,

540
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: look at me walking up their driveway. Oh my god,

541
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: get the gun, Doris, look at this guy. He's coming

542
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: coming to get us. But that's the way I thought

543
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: first time. I said, shake their hand, introduce yourself, look

544
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: him straight in the eye, tell them your intentions, and

545
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: you know, smile. I got cricket teeth. Man, I'm not

546
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: gonna lie. But you smile at them, They're gonna they're

547
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: gonna feel less threatened and start a conversation about hey,

548
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: this is what I'm doing. How how have you been? Hey?

549
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: You know, maybe some small talk first about you know, hey,

550
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: did you get all your crops in? Um? I see,

551
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: I see, Uh, you got a got a couple of dogs.

552
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: What what breed is that? You know? It's just just

553
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: something to open up a little bit of a conversation

554
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: and don't just come in, go hi, my name is Dan.

555
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: I want to hunt your property because they're gonna go Well,

556
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: you can start by getting off it, you know, So

557
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: say this brings a good point, um and interesting. This

558
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,719
Speaker 1: I think comes to different styles. So I know some

559
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: guys who can just b s with the guy for

560
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: no reason, and then other people I know would go

561
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: up there and be super awkward and you'll be squirming,

562
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: not really knowing what to talk about, what to say,

563
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: And I always kind of approach it. It's hard to tell.

564
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: There's some people, some landowners who like to talk to

565
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: random people, and there's other guys. You show up and

566
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: if you start busing with them, the guys like, what

567
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,239
Speaker 1: are you doing on my property? Why are you here?

568
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: Why you're talking to me? Um? So for me, I'm

569
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: a little more again probably related to my own personality.

570
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: I'm a little more detailed and I've planned this stuff ahead,

571
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: so what I'll do is I actually have what I'll

572
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: call in the business world, people call us an elevator pitch. UM.

573
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: And in you know that case, in the business cases,

574
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: you need to know, Like let's say you're starting a

575
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: new business, your elevator pitch would be who are you

576
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: and what's your business idea? Explain it in thirty seconds,

577
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: so that if you see somebody in an elevator, by

578
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: the time you get off that elevator and you're you

579
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: meet some random guy, they'll remember who you are afterwards.

580
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: So what I tried to is have a short kind

581
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: of pre script and not scripted, but just a general

582
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: idea of what my quote unquote elevator pitch is going

583
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: to be when I walk up to that door. That way,

584
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: I'm just not knocking on the door and staring at

585
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: a guy in the face and saying uh uh mark. So,

586
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: so I'll basically go on there and explain, Hey, I'm

587
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: so and so I lived down the street, just moved

588
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: down here, you know last year, UM, how things go

589
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: on blah blah blah, And then I don't spend too

590
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: much on the front end UM B s NG until

591
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: I at least get the basic UM idea of the

592
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: fact I wanted you know, sorry for knocking on the

593
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: door this time and night. I was just looking for

594
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: a couple of spots to hunt in the area. Was

595
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: curious if you or if anyone in the area you know,

596
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: might be open to something like that. Blah blah, And

597
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,719
Speaker 1: then I always like to b s and talk as

598
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: much as possible during or afterwards. Um, But I usually

599
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: have a plan of the basic way I'm gonna get

600
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: that first piece out and then kind of free free

601
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: lance it from there, right. But I think I think

602
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: it's a decent idea, at least in your head, have

603
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: an idea of how you're gonna start that conversation, um,

604
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: unless you're the kind of person that can just wing

605
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: it all the time. But I think for me it's

606
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: it's helped to have a general idea of how to

607
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: get that going right. And a majority of the people

608
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: that I talked to also are farmers, And if you

609
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: don't know farmers, they're always busy. They may not look busy,

610
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: but they're always busy and they always have things to do,

611
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: especially if they have livestock as well. Um, and this

612
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: time of year, you know, with calves and um, you know,

613
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: making sure crops are in and all that stuff. Get

614
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: to the point. But I always like to you know,

615
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: I like to be us a little bit. I would

616
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: say I'm probably better at it than most people. But

617
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: you have to be able to read a person's I

618
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: don't know there how they are, because if you've got

619
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: a guy staring you straight in the face with kind

620
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: of a mean look on his face, he probably just

621
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: wants you to go ye, So get to the point

622
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: with this guy. Then you've got other guys who if

623
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: they're asking you questions back that then you can start

624
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: opening up and start start a conversation with him, as

625
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: opposed to you know, certain people who are just like

626
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: who are you? What do you want? Yes or no? Goodbye?

627
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: So true, so true, And like you said, yeah, I've

628
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: had experiences with all of them. Yep. You gotta read

629
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: the situation and then you know advanced appropriately and definitely

630
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: you know it can if somebody wants to engage with

631
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: you and you're not willing to, if you're just like

632
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: straight to the point and want to get out of there,

633
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: that's not gonna help you out in the future either,

634
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: because you know, like we said, let's say you're chatting

635
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: with someone, they tell you no, UM, but you still

636
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: have that opportunity to ask them if they know anyone

637
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: else or you know what I always like to do

638
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: is you know, thanks so much for UM for chatting

639
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: with me. I totally understand that. You know this won't

640
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: work out if in the future something changes. You know,

641
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: here's my card or here's my phone number. If you

642
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: if you happen to remember, would really appreciate if you

643
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: could let me know what loved you know, a chance

644
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: to blah blah um. And you never know, if you

645
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: leave a positive impression, they might reach out or like

646
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: you said, keep reaching out in the future to them

647
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: checking in your opportunity might come. UM. Another thing, UM,

648
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: you know that I'll also do. Not only will I

649
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: ask them do you know of anyone else? But I'll

650
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: also mention you know, just you know, if you happen

651
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: to chat with anyone in the next couple of weeks

652
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: and you hear something like that, it would you be

653
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: willing to reach out to me? UM something like that?

654
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: And you know most people are like, oh sure, and

655
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: maybe they will, maybe they won't. UM, but at least

656
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: having that card or that phone number to give them

657
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: opens up that opportunity that maybe if there's a chance,

658
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: someone might reach out with an idea. So if you're

659
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: nice and if you're the kind of person that they

660
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: enjoy being around it, they thought, was you know a

661
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: respectful guy or girl. You know that might happen right

662
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: right that very rarely, I mean that very rarely happens

663
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: with me. Back to the they're always busy type of

664
00:33:54,240 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: but you know the areas that I hunt, these these

665
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: properties have been in these families. Most of these properties

666
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: have been in these families for for seventy two hundred years.

667
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: So they know everybody. Everybody knows them. It's almost like

668
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: you have to get into their inner circle before you

669
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: can make them feel comfortable. And that's why I, like

670
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: I said earlier, don't give up with just one year

671
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: and walk away. And don't because the next year they'll

672
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: recognize you. They'll say, Okay, this guy is serious. He's

673
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: not just some one time or coming in and out.

674
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: You know, he's serious. He wants to establish a relationship

675
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: with me. And you know, obviously they're not going to

676
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: say that, but you know, established that relationship. Hell, they

677
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: may say no again, but like I said, you know

678
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: the property, my best hunting property that I have took

679
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: me two years of nose and then the third year

680
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: I got I got a Yes, it's awesome. Yeah. Perseverance yep,

681
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: So keep at it yep. Absolutely, not really totally related,

682
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: but something I just thought of that I know we

683
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: had been speaking about a little bit earlier off air. Um.

684
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: One of the kind of tricks of the trade that

685
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: I've found successful when it comes to asking for permission

686
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 1: is not starting right off the bat asking for deer

687
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: hunting permission because deer hunting is one of the most

688
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: popular things. There's a lot of guys that want to

689
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: deer hunt. Um. You know, sometimes the landowners a deer hunter,

690
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: but they might be more likely to allow some other

691
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: type of hunting or activity on the property. So for me,

692
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: what I do a lot is I'll ask permission earlier

693
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: in the year, um February or March, and ask the

694
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: landowner for permission to walk their property and look for antlers.

695
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: And nine or maybe six times out of ten people

696
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: have no idea what you're talking about, and they'll say, sure,

697
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: there's antlers out there, go for it. Occasionally someone will

698
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: know and they'll let They'll still let you. But either

699
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: way it's it's a lot easier to get permission to

700
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 1: shed hunt a property. So we get permission to shed hunt. Appreciation,

701
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: you know, thank them, chit chat with them, take advantage

702
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 1: of this opportunity to b s with them. Just again,

703
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: established a little bit of a poor head out there

704
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: and go shed hunting. This gets you an opportunity to

705
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: some scouting to check without that property. Now you can

706
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: really tell, hey, is this look at it like it

707
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: has the potential I want to have. Or maybe you

708
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: walk it and you realize that it's waste waste of time,

709
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: so then you you don't even bother asking for anything more.

710
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: But let's say you go out there, you find some

711
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: giant sheds, some huge rubs. Looks great, no sign of

712
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: other hunters. Now you go back, you thank them again

713
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: for letting you shed hunt. Um, you know, share your stories,

714
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: tell them, oh yeah, this is great. Really appreciate here's

715
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: what I found. Um, you know, offer maybe in this case,

716
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: offer to help out with something around the farm. And

717
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: you know, maybe a couple of days later, or a

718
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: week or two later, or maybe that same day hunting,

719
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: whatever your situation is. Maybe then you can also slip

720
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: into your conversation with them. Yeah, I really enjoyed being

721
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: able to do this. Um, I noticed there didn't seem

722
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: to be a whole lot of sign of other hunters

723
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: out there. Do you have someone bohunting your property? Would

724
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: it be okay if I might stop in here? Sometimes

725
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: it's fall blahlah blah um and lots of times you

726
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: can get opportunities that way. Um. Shed hunting has worked

727
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: for me. But I know some people to ask for

728
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: turkey hunting permission, coyote hunting permission, mushroom hunting, whatever it is.

729
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: If you get permission to do that and you do

730
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: that activity, come back and talk to them and they

731
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: see you didn't do anything bad, you were respectful, you

732
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: didn't destruct their property at all. That helps build that

733
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: trust that can lead to potentially deer hunting in the future. Right. Yeah,

734
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: I agree with everything you said, except mushroom hunting around

735
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 1: where around where I hunt. Mushroom hunting is like sacred.

736
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: Nobody tells you they're they're good spots. It's all secret that, Oh, no,

737
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: we don't have any good mushrooms. Then the one day

738
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: the way he goes on, no, we don't have too

739
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: many good mushroom spots here and I've already had permission

740
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: to hunt it. I come up after I think I

741
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: took down a tree stain or something. One day, she

742
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: had like five gallon bucket full of mushrooms. Like nope.

743
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: So I gave her a hard time because I have

744
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: a good relationship with the now it's like no mushrooms.

745
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: H She was like, oh no, I did happen to

746
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: run into these on accident? Like five gallons sounds like

747
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: an accident. Yeah, that's funny. But um, but yeah, I

748
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: think other than mush from hunting in Iowa, you can

749
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: probably get away with with asking for these different activities

750
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: um and then going for it. Um. Not something I

751
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: just mentioned there, I think applies in general. That being

752
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: Let's say you do get permission to shed hunt or

753
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: maybe even deer hunt, whatever it is. If you get permission,

754
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: do something to say thank you for that landowner, because

755
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: if you just got shut uting permission, and if you

756
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: show again your gratitude, this might help you get deer

757
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: hunting permission. And if you did get deer hunting permission,

758
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: if they see that you're respectful and show that gratitude,

759
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: it will help you keep that permission. UM. So for me,

760
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: I've I've personally done things to help around farms, done

761
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: some woodcutting, UM, done different little projects like that. Help

762
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, offered to most someone's lawn. Stuff along those lines.

763
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: I know other people that you will bring a gift

764
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: basket at the end of the season, UM, or we'll

765
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: give the landowner venison, give them gift cards. UM. I

766
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: don't know. Have you done anything like that or experience

767
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: something like that, Dan, I've installed a satellite dish, I

768
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: have um cut down trees, I have put grab helped

769
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: them spread gravel on a driveway. And my favorite story

770
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: I tell people is what I thought was going to

771
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: be a fifteen minute gate fix turns turned into an

772
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: eight hour job where I finally had to tell the

773
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: guy listened, I need to drink water if I'm doing this,

774
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: and he was, you know, some old timer, and uh,

775
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: he let me have permission, but he had some cattle

776
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: broke down of fence and you know, you're this this

777
00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: hunting their property is not just something for you, Okay,

778
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: it's their property. You have to give something back. And

779
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: I don't mean from like a conservation standpoint like Planet Tree,

780
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: but help these people out. You know. I you know,

781
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: I've done like you said, I've given old ladies flowers.

782
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: I've given you know, gift cards to Walmart or like

783
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: a local farm store. Uh, cut down trees, fixed gate

784
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: satellite dish. You know. Um, I even helped rip out

785
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: carpet of an old farm house that was getting renovated once.

786
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: You know, nothing too hard or serious, but you know

787
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: it maybe took me aside from the eight hour French job,

788
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: you know, maybe an hour, maybe an hour and a

789
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: half was the most I worked. But what's that get me?

790
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: That gets me unlimited hunting, bow hunting on this property,

791
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: shed hunting, turkey hunting. So I get to do whatever

792
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: I want. But you know, sometimes you just gotta bite

793
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: the bullet and uh break a sweat. Yeah, it's a

794
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: it's a very worth while investment of your time and energy,

795
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: i'd say. Um. And it's like you said, they're really

796
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: helping us out and we owe it back to them. Um.

797
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's by no means are they obligated to

798
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: let us hunt their property. It's a privilege, so we

799
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: need to be very respectful of that. And you know

800
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: another point is when we're on that property, that we've

801
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: been given permission to hunt on. I think it's an

802
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: obligation of all hunters to be very respectful of that land.

803
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: Don't damage things, be careful to leave it as you

804
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: found it, um, because like you said, you know, this

805
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: isn't our ground. And UM it's important to you know,

806
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: represent hunters property properly and and do ourselves right by

807
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: the landowners. That's back true story. One uh one other

808
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: random tip and this is something um my buddy Corey

809
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: again his trademarked this idea, but he has found that

810
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: he has a lot better luck getting permission with a

811
00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: certain type of homeowner, I guess, and is a vast generalization,

812
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: so it's not always gonna be the case, but something

813
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: to keep in mind. Let's say you're driving down the

814
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: road and you've got a list of four properties. He'll

815
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 1: do a drive by and he'll look at the house

816
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: that the landowner has on that property, and oftentimes, if

817
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: it's a really fancy, nice house with a nice car,

818
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: trim fence, UM, lots of times he already knows going

819
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: into it that that property probably is less likely to

820
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: get permission on because let's say this person is a

821
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: little more well to do. They're probably more active in

822
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,439
Speaker 1: the community. They're probably more connected with more people. More

823
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: people probably are talking to them. They've got more friends

824
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: that might be asking for permission, or they might have permission,

825
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Some of these fancier places seem to

826
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: have less of a chance to get permission. Then on

827
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: the other hand, you might have the older farmhouse where

828
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: there's tractors in the yard and dogs running around. Um.

829
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: These folks, Again, this is a generalization, doesn't apply all time,

830
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: but lots more times these folks might be more likely

831
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: to give permission because they might not be heading in

832
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: town every day and talking to people all the time.

833
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: They might be just focused on their farmworker, focused on

834
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: whatever it does they do. Um, or they just might

835
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: not care as much and they might be okay with

836
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: different people going back out there. So big generalization, but

837
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: it's something that sometimes is a clue to look for.

838
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever seen that, you know,

839
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: it's I guess I never really put put too much

840
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: into it. I mean, around right Hunt, they're they're a

841
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: majority old farmhouses. There's a couple of new ones, but

842
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: it's typically after the farmer has already retired. They just

843
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: build a new house a hundred feet from their old

844
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: house that they that they've lived in for fifty years,

845
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: and then somebody else, like a farm hand or a

846
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: grandchild or a son will move into the to the

847
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: old house. So yeah, you know, and you know, like, yeah,

848
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: it's a it's a generalization, but it doesn't keep me

849
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: from knocking at their door. I don't care if your

850
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Speaker 1: your yards surrounded by pitbulls. I'm gonna knock on your door.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, unless there's a sign that says

852
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Speaker 1: stay out, you know, no trust passing all this stuff.

853
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: Then you know they're not going to let anybody. You know,

854
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: a majority of the time, they're not gonna let anybody hunt.

855
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: But I'm still gonna ask, because you know, I gotta

856
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 1: gotta give a shot, right, give a shot. And I think, um,

857
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Speaker 1: I think that is the biggest thing when it comes

858
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Speaker 1: to this whole topic of getting permission on on property,

859
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: on private property, in the end, it comes down to

860
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Speaker 1: just sucking it up and doing the work and asking.

861
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: I think probably, and this supplies to me. This has

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00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: been my biggest struggle, like I said before, and I

863
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Speaker 1: think for a lot of people is they just never

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Speaker 1: do it. They talk about it. They complain about the

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Speaker 1: fact that I don't have enough police places to hunt.

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Speaker 1: I do it too. I I complain about not have

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Speaker 1: enough spots, or you know, concerned about this bart of

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00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: that spot or losing a hunting location. Um, it's so

869
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: easy to complain about our bad luck or whatever. But

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00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: there are a lot of opportunities to get hunting permission.

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00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of getting out there and doing

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Speaker 1: the work. And it's a numbers game, like I said,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of spots, especially here. You know, in

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Speaker 1: Michigan we're with million a million hunters, you know, nine

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Speaker 1: out of every ten doors and knock on, I'm probably

876
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Speaker 1: gonna get a know. So I just go into it

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Speaker 1: knowing that I set the proper expectations. And I said, Okay,

878
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be told no a lot. That's okay, I'm

879
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: ready for it. I'm just gonna keep on knocking. And

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00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 1: it's a matter of just making up your mind, committing

881
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: to it, and then taking action. And I think if

882
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: you do that, good things will eventually happen. But you

883
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: gotta stop making excuses. You got you gotta stop putting

884
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: it off. You're just gonna make it happen, right, And

885
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: if someone tells you know, there's no there's nothing wrong

886
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: with a rebuttal. So for example, what I say is, hey, um,

887
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: do do you mind if I hunt your bow hunt

888
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: your property while I are already hunted? Or do you

889
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: do you bow hunt it? You know that's kind of

890
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: a rebuttal. Well, no, I don't bow hunt it. What

891
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: would you mind if I bow hunt it? Well, you know, no,

892
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: I kind of manage my land for my gun hunts. Okay,

893
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: no problem. Or um, do you mind if I hunt

894
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: your property? Well, I had an accident on the farm

895
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: with a hunter um one time, and he tried to

896
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: sue me, and I said and that, well, I would

897
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: be willing to get a legal document sign that I

898
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: you know, if I hurt myself, I can't sue you.

899
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: Which I have two properties that on a yearly basis,

900
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: I have to put my signature on a legal document

901
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: saying that I am not responsible for any um harm

902
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: to my body that has caused on this property. So

903
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: you know, offer offer something like that. You know, they say, yeah, no,

904
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: I just you know, Okay, here's the worst No I got.

905
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: Do you mind if I hunt your property? Well, my

906
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: my Indian spirit is a female, dear, and just please,

907
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: if you do, don't shoot any does, because that's my

908
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: This lady had I think she was a hippie and

909
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 1: her parents passed on and gave her and her brothers

910
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: the farm and she would live the closest, so she

911
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: was responsible for it. And wowsers. This lady was off

912
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: off a rocker, but I got permission to hunt it

913
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: and I just couldn't shoot does, and I respected for

914
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: some you know, I could have shot at a hundred

915
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: dolls off that property, but I respected her wishes and

916
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: that because I think Carmen was the son of a

917
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: gun too. You know. I don't want her or some

918
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: dough to haunt my dreams the rest of my life.

919
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: Definitely not. Nobody wants spirit does. Well, it's about that time.

920
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Speaker 1: I think it's about that time, once we start talking

921
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: about the mystics, it's time to close things up. So

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Speaker 1: that's said, you know, to everyone out there listening. I

923
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Speaker 1: hope this has been helpful. Um. I know lots of

924
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: people have been asking us about how we go about

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Speaker 1: getting permission on pieces of ground, So I hope that

926
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Speaker 1: you know some of our thoughts and ideas here can

927
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Speaker 1: help you, you know, do that in the future as well.

928
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Speaker 1: And if you did enjoy the show today, which we

929
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: certainly hope you did, as we always say, we would

930
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Speaker 1: really appreciate it if you could leave a rating or

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Speaker 1: click on leave a rating, review, put a star rating

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Speaker 1: in there, and just type in a few sentences about

934
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: what you like or don't like, or love or hate

935
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Speaker 1: about the show. We won't take offense, and you know,

936
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: we just appreciate them, so thank you in advance for

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00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: taking the time to do it. It really helps new

938
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: people find out about the show and hopefully you know,

939
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: the show is helpful. So speaking of thanks, we would

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Speaker 1: also like to thank our partners who helped make this

941
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Speaker 1: show possible. Big thanks to Sick of Gear, Bush and

942
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Speaker 1: All Optics, Trophy Ridge, Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds, Carbon Express Arrows,

943
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Speaker 1: Lacrosse Boots, Big and J long Range Attractives, and the

944
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Speaker 1: White Tail Institute of North America. That said, be sure

945
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: to visit wird hunt dot com slash episode fourteen to

946
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Speaker 1: be the show notes from today's episode, and that's where

947
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: we'll you know, include some other links about things we

948
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 1: talked about today. I've got a couple other blog posts

949
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Speaker 1: I'm related to the same topic, so we'll we'll include that,

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Speaker 1: um and then also, you know, check out Dan's blog

951
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Speaker 1: at the nine finger Chronicles dot com and I think

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Speaker 1: I'm sure Dan will probably post a thing or two

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Speaker 1: about this over the coming months leading to the season too.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's all for us here on the

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Speaker 1: Weird Hunt Podcast. So thank you again everyone. We appreciate you,

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Speaker 1: we love you, and we really appreciate the fact that

957
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Speaker 1: you take a little time out of your day to

958
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Speaker 1: listen to a couple of wackos like us talk about

959
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Speaker 1: deer hunting. So until next time, have a great week,

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Speaker 1: keep on working to prepare for this season, knock on

961
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Speaker 1: some doors, don't be afraid be told no, and stay

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Speaker 1: Weird Hunt.