WEBVTT - Those Are Your Testies?! 0:00:01.890 --> 0:00:05.730 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the 0:00:05.769 --> 0:00:10.789 George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong 0:00:10.850 --> 0:00:17.260 and Getty. And now, here's Armstrong and Getty. 0:00:23.940 --> 0:00:27.660 Later today, both sides are expected to deliver closing arguments 0:00:27.740 --> 0:00:30.240 and then this case will be in the hands of 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:34.120 a jury. Testimony ended Wednesday after jurors heard from those 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:38.780 85 different witnesses. The final witness was Dr. Gregory Sadoff, 0:00:38.820 --> 0:00:42.879 a forensic psychiatrist who also works with the FBI's Behavioral 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:45.900 Analysis Unit. He was on the stand for quite some time. 0:00:45.940 --> 0:00:49.000 Sadoff testified for the prosecution that he believes that she 0:00:49.060 --> 0:00:52.339 was criminally responsible for killing the three children. and that 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:54.640 she was, in fact, in control of her actions. 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:58.570 We're going to hear more from Dr. Gregory Sadhoff in 0:00:58.630 --> 0:01:02.070 just a minute. So we're on at different times, different places, 0:01:02.150 --> 0:01:04.550 and some of you listen on the podcast, so our 0:01:05.090 --> 0:01:07.790 present tense situation gets a little tough. So that said, 0:01:07.890 --> 0:01:10.009 closing arguments are later today. They're going on right now, 0:01:10.410 --> 0:01:13.030 and I think it's interesting that CNN and Fox are 0:01:13.069 --> 0:01:15.870 both taking them live. It looks pretty compelling, so Hanson, 0:01:15.910 --> 0:01:18.690 keep an eye on that if, you know, anything dramatic 0:01:18.780 --> 0:01:21.030 is said. We'll get that on the air, and then 0:01:21.090 --> 0:01:23.130 later in the show, we're going to talk to a 0:01:23.830 --> 0:01:26.619 guy who spent his adult life as a judge, actually 0:01:26.660 --> 0:01:30.320 Katie's dad, about some of the decisions that were made 0:01:30.340 --> 0:01:32.180 in the courtroom over the last couple of days and weeks. 0:01:34.380 --> 0:01:37.060 What a compelling story. 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:41.150 Yeah, I think it goes to some of the most 0:01:42.910 --> 0:01:48.390 bedrock fundamentals of human behavior, and when a mother violates... That, 0:01:48.850 --> 0:01:51.310 you know, the bedrock of human behavior and kills her 0:01:51.330 --> 0:01:53.690 own children. I think people just they need an explanation. 0:01:53.730 --> 0:01:54.950 They need to understand it. 0:01:55.150 --> 0:01:57.310 Some people just like horrifying. Some people just like criminal 0:01:57.350 --> 0:01:59.650 trials who've done it, which I perfectly understand. Then I 0:01:59.690 --> 0:02:01.790 think when the element came along a week or so 0:02:01.830 --> 0:02:05.920 ago that you realize, wow, there are thousands of moms 0:02:05.980 --> 0:02:08.120 who are in support of this woman who killed her kids. 0:02:08.300 --> 0:02:11.340 That's a wrinkle that drew a lot of people in. Anyway, 0:02:11.380 --> 0:02:14.360 let's hear from this Dr. Gregory Satoff, who was on 0:02:14.380 --> 0:02:15.200 the stand yesterday. 0:02:15.730 --> 0:02:19.830 Having no instructions as to how to do it, but 0:02:19.950 --> 0:02:24.790 being able to execute those decisions, including being able to 0:02:25.810 --> 0:02:29.160 get a phone call and then return it to her 0:02:29.220 --> 0:02:31.800 husband in the process of all of this. Certainly the 0:02:31.900 --> 0:02:39.160 phone call was not expected. That is surprising that she 0:02:39.180 --> 0:02:43.060 was able to accomplish all of this without any other 0:02:43.100 --> 0:02:45.089 kind of direction or plan. 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:52.190 So he's making the argument that because she planned it, 0:02:52.270 --> 0:02:54.350 sent her husband to the store, knew how long it 0:02:54.389 --> 0:02:57.630 would take to kill the kids. And then it was 0:02:57.730 --> 0:03:00.419 interrupted with she had to call him or he called her, 0:03:00.460 --> 0:03:02.780 I guess, and talked to her on the phone for 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:05.500 a little while. But then she continued with the plan 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:08.780 is more proof that she's not insane. I don't I 0:03:08.820 --> 0:03:09.980 don't know what makes you insane or not. 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:10.100 So. 0:03:10.830 --> 0:03:13.450 Yeah, that's one of the building blocks of the case, yeah. 0:03:13.510 --> 0:03:16.790 The other key, well, I don't want to steal his thunder. 0:03:16.830 --> 0:03:18.690 This next clip might deal with what I was about 0:03:18.710 --> 0:03:19.030 to say. 0:03:19.690 --> 0:03:28.220 Hallucinations, even command hallucinations when they occur, do not propel 0:03:29.180 --> 0:03:32.359 an individual to automatically obey them. 0:03:32.700 --> 0:03:36.320 Doctor, is it possible for someone who is experiencing psychosis 0:03:36.420 --> 0:03:41.960 and command hallucinations to conform their behavior to the law? Yes. 0:03:41.980 --> 0:03:44.080 That was interesting. So just because you got a voice 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.360 in your head saying, kill your neighbor, kill your neighbor, 0:03:49.060 --> 0:03:49.860 that's not good enough. 0:03:51.340 --> 0:03:54.280 And they had at least one expert witness say, and 0:03:54.410 --> 0:03:56.790 if you know anything about criminal trials, you know, both 0:03:56.830 --> 0:03:59.510 sides trot out experts and often contradict each other. But 0:03:59.990 --> 0:04:02.690 one of the prosecution experts at least said that he 0:04:02.730 --> 0:04:06.130 has never in his entire career dealt with or heard 0:04:06.210 --> 0:04:10.470 of a case where where the voice tells you to 0:04:10.650 --> 0:04:12.890 commit an act, kill your neighbor, kill your child, whatever. 0:04:13.850 --> 0:04:16.300 It hadn't been doing that before. And then as soon 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.200 as you do it, it stops. He says, that's not 0:04:18.220 --> 0:04:22.220 the way it works. You don't pay off the voice 0:04:22.300 --> 0:04:23.980 by doing what it asks you to do, and then 0:04:24.020 --> 0:04:27.520 it stops. It doesn't end. 0:04:27.740 --> 0:04:29.599 I never thought about that once in my life. That's 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:34.320 an interesting thought. He said, that's not a thing. Huh. 0:04:35.490 --> 0:04:38.510 I'll be darned. I'd never considered that. If you do 0:04:38.550 --> 0:04:40.510 what the voice tells you to do, are you like 0:04:40.610 --> 0:04:42.610 out of the woods then? No, you continue to be. 0:04:43.870 --> 0:04:45.810 If you have voices talking to you, you continue to 0:04:45.850 --> 0:04:48.310 be that level of crazy. Of course you would. Because 0:04:48.330 --> 0:04:51.760 they're not actual voices. They're your brain. Good point. Which 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:55.640 is diseased. Good point. Now we get into some of 0:04:55.660 --> 0:04:58.660 the good talk radio stuff of why and how many 0:04:58.700 --> 0:05:00.940 people think she should be going to jail as a 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:01.640 murderer or not. 0:05:02.850 --> 0:05:07.170 The majority of people believe that Lindsay Clancy is not 0:05:07.270 --> 0:05:09.469 criminally responsible. If you asked me this a month ago, 0:05:09.550 --> 0:05:10.670 I would have said you're crazy. 0:05:10.990 --> 0:05:15.370 Yeah, but so you think that the insanity defense is 0:05:15.410 --> 0:05:16.550 going to work? I do. 0:05:16.570 --> 0:05:18.609 I'm going to shoot my shot, go on record, and 0:05:18.650 --> 0:05:22.170 say I think Lindsay Clancy will be acquitted. Or there's 0:05:22.270 --> 0:05:23.860 a possibility of a hung jury, but it's going to 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:26.099 be significantly in favor of the defense. 0:05:26.140 --> 0:05:30.560 Maybe a few holdouts for the prosecution. Yeah, maybe. Because 0:05:30.580 --> 0:05:34.330 the public opinion has turned? I don't know. 0:05:34.370 --> 0:05:36.650 You got some dipstick lawyer on CNN. 0:05:37.130 --> 0:05:40.310 Whatever. I don't know. It's interesting on its own that 0:05:40.350 --> 0:05:43.640 public opinion is turned. So as information is seeped out 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.599 into the country, a majority of people now think, poor 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.470 woman was crazy, couldn't get the help she deserved. There 0:05:49.490 --> 0:05:53.170 but for the grace of God, etc. Does that mean 0:05:53.190 --> 0:05:56.600 we're compassionate people, or are we really off the rails? 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:00.200 I think we're a people that's gone from thinking about 0:06:00.260 --> 0:06:03.620 mental illness too little to a society that thinks about 0:06:03.660 --> 0:06:05.320 it too much, honestly. 0:06:07.410 --> 0:06:08.910 That's a good point right there. If you were going 0:06:08.930 --> 0:06:11.670 to say, have we gone too far down the road 0:06:12.150 --> 0:06:18.800 for excusing... Bad grades, bad workers, bad parenting, bad everything. 0:06:19.140 --> 0:06:21.460 Have we gone too far down the road? Self-indulgence. Of 0:06:21.540 --> 0:06:25.560 excusing all sorts of behavior because you got this or 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:30.760 that diagnosis? Of course we have. Or, yeah, self-diagnosis even. 0:06:31.180 --> 0:06:34.010 Yeah, Bethany Mandel wrote a great piece published in the 0:06:34.050 --> 0:06:38.190 New York Post. Toxic mom rage is TikTok's latest trend, 0:06:38.230 --> 0:06:41.340 and it's making the mom's even more miserable. 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.050 I'll just hit you with part of it. 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:45.820 First generation of women to be raised in the therapeutic 0:06:45.900 --> 0:06:49.540 culture that eventually gave us gentle parenting is now raising 0:06:49.620 --> 0:06:52.720 children of their own. Judging by the reaction to the 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:55.860 Lindsay Clancy trial, it's not going well. These mothers were 0:06:55.900 --> 0:06:59.599 taught to analyze every negative emotion they experience, turning even 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:02.700 the least discomfort over in every direction to analyze and 0:07:02.750 --> 0:07:06.150 dissect it. This mindset teaches you that sadness isn't something 0:07:06.170 --> 0:07:09.070 you shake off and anxiety isn't something you push through. 0:07:09.610 --> 0:07:14.010 Instead of encouraging resilience, its adherents believe that every unpleasant 0:07:14.050 --> 0:07:20.760 experience requires extensive processing. And then she says these moms 0:07:20.820 --> 0:07:22.520 are attempting to raise their own children according to the 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:28.120 same philosophy, endlessly validating feelings, negotiating arbitrary boundaries, and striving 0:07:28.170 --> 0:07:31.150 to regulate the emotions of tiny people who possess neither 0:07:31.270 --> 0:07:34.810 reason nor impulse control. But, you know, in their own lives, 0:07:34.890 --> 0:07:39.210 it's the never-ending... Just the navel-gazing. 0:07:40.250 --> 0:07:42.250 I know that I'm not the only parent that has 0:07:42.430 --> 0:07:47.290 dealt with this situation where you got a kid struggling 0:07:47.390 --> 0:07:51.970 with the world. Then they get a diagnosis of anxiety 0:07:52.010 --> 0:07:55.530 or something like that, and you feel incredible guilt for 0:07:55.570 --> 0:08:00.180 trying to force them through situations where they've got a diagnosis. 0:08:00.310 --> 0:08:05.020 Then you land at a point, maybe somewhere, where you realize... well, 0:08:05.100 --> 0:08:08.720 maybe I've gone too far in like just not saying, okay, yeah, 0:08:08.740 --> 0:08:10.570 it's hard for everybody. Get out there and do it. 0:08:10.830 --> 0:08:12.150 But I can, I feel that, you know, you got 0:08:12.170 --> 0:08:16.350 to do it anyway. So trying to figure out where 0:08:16.390 --> 0:08:18.990 you are on that as a parent is really hard. 0:08:19.430 --> 0:08:21.530 But I think in general, we've gone too far down 0:08:21.570 --> 0:08:23.480 the road of, no, you don't have to do what 0:08:23.740 --> 0:08:26.060 other human beings have had to do throughout history because 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:29.840 you've got this diagnosis. Right, exactly. Yeah, I would agree. 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:37.020 Boy, it's just society swerving from guardrail to guardrail once again. 0:08:38.700 --> 0:08:40.719 From overdoing it in one direction to overdoing it in 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:42.920 the other to the point that, and plus you have 0:08:42.980 --> 0:08:49.000 the always insidious, evil effect of social media where women 0:08:49.340 --> 0:08:54.360 set up their ring light and their camera and stage 0:08:54.420 --> 0:08:58.970 a performative fit to get lots of sympathetic likes from 0:08:59.090 --> 0:09:03.660 other people. and have their angst validated and the rest 0:09:03.700 --> 0:09:05.260 of it, but it's all performative. 0:09:06.820 --> 0:09:10.990 I don't know. In the terms of being too coddling 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:19.250 of excuses for behavior, I always think of Christopher Hitchens, 0:09:19.350 --> 0:09:24.390 the thinker journalist in his autobiography, wrote a lot about 0:09:24.450 --> 0:09:29.870 his childhood at boarding schools where he was regularly sexually abused, beaten, 0:09:29.990 --> 0:09:33.410 and bullied. It was part of the whole life for 0:09:34.190 --> 0:09:38.660 privileged or super smart kids in England for hundreds of years. 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:41.820 You go into your parents sent you off to this 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:44.660 expensive school and you were going to be sexually abused 0:09:44.700 --> 0:09:50.260 by their kids, beaten up and bullied. And his conclusion 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:53.950 as a 50 something looking back on it was our 0:09:54.010 --> 0:09:56.589 society was better off when that was going on than 0:09:56.630 --> 0:09:59.970 it is now, which I think is really, really interesting. 0:10:00.660 --> 0:10:02.599 and the reason I brought that up was I think 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:05.040 about times in my life if I had grown up 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:10.000 in the 2000s instead of the 70s and various situations 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.560 where I'd tell my mom you know I can't do 0:10:12.580 --> 0:10:14.000 that or I can't do that or whatever if she'd 0:10:14.020 --> 0:10:17.250 said you're right you're too you've got anxiety or you've 0:10:17.260 --> 0:10:18.890 got this or that you don't have to do it 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:21.559 if I would have been better off or worse off 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.800 than when I was just forced to power through various situations. 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:28.460 And it's not even a close call as to which 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:31.220 would have been better for me, even though it was 0:10:31.260 --> 0:10:34.280 incredibly miserable and painful at the time to have to 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:37.020 power through various situations is the kind of kid I was. 0:10:37.500 --> 0:10:40.750 And I've never had a diagnosis of anything, but, um, but, 0:10:40.929 --> 0:10:43.070 but by, but by modern standards, I think I could 0:10:43.090 --> 0:10:45.410 have easily gotten diagnosed with some sort of, I don't know, 0:10:45.470 --> 0:10:49.989 ultra shy disease or whatever the hell, um, And I 0:10:50.010 --> 0:10:54.630 was better off being forced to suck it up and 0:10:54.670 --> 0:10:57.880 deal with it and endure the pain. There's no doubt 0:10:57.940 --> 0:10:58.920 about it in my mind. 0:10:59.980 --> 0:11:03.640 Yeah, this editorialist used the term resilience earlier, and I 0:11:03.700 --> 0:11:06.709 remember when the, I guess it was a giant study 0:11:06.750 --> 0:11:11.190 of success among children, and they identified resilience as the 0:11:11.450 --> 0:11:15.850 number one most important characteristic for success, and we are 0:11:15.890 --> 0:11:18.650 teaching our kids out of it. I think about that 0:11:18.690 --> 0:11:20.910 word all the time because I have a friend who 0:11:20.929 --> 0:11:24.550 said years ago before I was I was a parent, 0:11:24.570 --> 0:11:25.490 but my kids are still little. 0:11:25.510 --> 0:11:27.189 He said, my number one thing is, because his kids 0:11:27.210 --> 0:11:29.130 were like high school, college ages, to try to make 0:11:29.170 --> 0:11:31.280 them more resilient. Some of them aren't. I thought, wow, 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:33.820 that's a good one. That is a good word. That 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:35.819 is the thing I like to think about with my kids. 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:39.070 I want to make them resilient for whatever reason. relationships 0:11:39.090 --> 0:11:42.569 that don't work out, jerk teachers or bosses, all those 0:11:42.610 --> 0:11:43.450 different sorts of things. 0:11:43.990 --> 0:11:46.430 Social media does exactly the opposite. I want to dip 0:11:46.470 --> 0:11:49.010 a little more into Megan's piece here because I think 0:11:49.030 --> 0:11:51.070 it's absolutely terrific after the break. 0:11:51.110 --> 0:11:51.310 Cool. 0:11:51.330 --> 0:11:52.970 If you have any thoughts on it, text line 415-295-KFTC. 0:11:53.110 --> 0:12:02.690 Armstrong and Getty. We got this text on the topic 0:12:02.730 --> 0:12:05.209 we've been on. I'm a teacher and I have a 0:12:05.230 --> 0:12:09.810 daughter and they are all pansies. Interesting. Succinct and powerful. 0:12:11.980 --> 0:12:14.099 So if you don't know what we're talking about, grab 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:17.860 it via podcast, Armstrong and Getty on Demand, Lindsay Clancy trial, 0:12:19.179 --> 0:12:24.100 moms convincing each other that motherhood is misery, social media, 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:29.670 et cetera. And I like this piece written by, I 0:12:29.710 --> 0:12:33.190 like to give credit where it's due. I think it's ethical. 0:12:34.270 --> 0:12:42.809 Let's see, Bethany Mandel. Anyway, back to Bethany's wisdom. Sales 0:12:42.850 --> 0:12:43.530 of tripods. 0:12:43.550 --> 0:12:44.410 Oh, here it is. 0:12:45.250 --> 0:12:49.570 And she describes how women hurl ice cubes into bathtubs 0:12:49.610 --> 0:12:52.670 to vent their frustration about their child's tantrums without a 0:12:52.700 --> 0:12:56.430 hint of irony. They filmed themselves crying in rocking chairs, pantries, 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:58.000 and parked cars about exhaustion. 0:12:58.520 --> 0:12:59.580 Cleanup, and laundry. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.360 One woman even set up a camera to film herself 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:05.640 reacting to her child tripping over an iced coffee she 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:07.469 had set up in the middle of the playroom floor. 0:13:07.910 --> 0:13:10.910 Then they spent more precious minutes editing the footage into 0:13:10.929 --> 0:13:15.170 30-second TikToks, lamenting the crushing difficulty of their lives. Instead 0:13:15.190 --> 0:13:17.720 of taking the walk around the block or catching that 0:13:17.740 --> 0:13:20.040 15-minute nap, that could have reset their brains and turned 0:13:20.059 --> 0:13:23.699 the day around. This is therapy culture as performance art. 0:13:24.100 --> 0:13:26.800 It's every bit as melodramatic and overwrought as you'd imagine 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.660 it to be, and it's making women ever more miserable. 0:13:30.780 --> 0:13:34.090 And here's where it really gets to the point. Nobody 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:37.010 goes viral saying, my toddler had a tantrum today, but 0:13:37.070 --> 0:13:38.090 I ignored it and made dinner. 0:13:38.790 --> 0:13:40.990 There are clicks, however, in announcing that you. 0:13:40.890 --> 0:13:45.030 Are touched out, triggered, dysregulated, and drowning under the invisible 0:13:45.090 --> 0:13:46.630 emotional labor of motherhood. 0:13:47.650 --> 0:13:49.080 Well, and I remember when we were talking about this 0:13:49.100 --> 0:13:53.140 the other day, one of my thoughts was, how long 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:56.040 did it take you to capture this video, edit it, 0:13:56.140 --> 0:13:59.040 get it on TikTok? You're so beleaguered taking care of 0:13:59.059 --> 0:14:03.220 your little kids. What the hell's going on there? Right, yeah. Yeah, 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:08.620 it's just... You would have been embarrassed not very many 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.670 years ago as a mom or a dad to say, 0:14:11.809 --> 0:14:14.210 I can't handle this. It's more than I can handle 0:14:14.610 --> 0:14:19.780 over mundane stuff. Like that has happened since the dawn 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.040 of time with raising a kid. I mean, you would 0:14:22.060 --> 0:14:24.400 have been embarrassed to put that out and everybody would 0:14:24.420 --> 0:14:26.800 have felt bad for you. Like, oh, that's kind of 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:30.870 embarrassing that that person is so distraught over a minor 0:14:30.910 --> 0:14:34.130 tantrum every kid throws that they have to claim they're, 0:14:34.250 --> 0:14:35.290 you know, they're falling apart. 0:14:35.750 --> 0:14:38.570 Or being sleep deprived. Toughen up, buttercup. would have been 0:14:38.590 --> 0:14:41.380 the message like for the entirety of humanity till social media. 0:14:41.620 --> 0:14:43.360 But one of the most interesting things I've learned about 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:45.980 human beings in the last several years is how many 0:14:46.060 --> 0:14:50.820 folks view everything that happens to them and what they say, 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:56.560 what they express, not through the lens of truth or objective, 0:14:56.780 --> 0:14:59.869 you know, it being the right thing, but through the 0:14:59.890 --> 0:15:03.790 lines of acceptance. And if you can give people acceptance, 0:15:03.950 --> 0:15:07.610 they will spout the most inane and ridiculous things if 0:15:07.670 --> 0:15:09.860 they get social reinforcement for it. 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.500 Not understanding that a lot of the enforcement might be 0:15:13.580 --> 0:15:19.610 from crazy people or people who are, you know, it's 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:22.350 not the normal crowd that's reacting to you in a 0:15:22.390 --> 0:15:23.930 positive way, but it doesn't matter. 0:15:24.230 --> 0:15:27.720 You just So speaking of wisdom, Arthur Brooks, who writes 0:15:27.740 --> 0:15:30.080 a lot about happiness and unhappiness for the free press, 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:32.580 and he's a professor, he writes books and stuff. One 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:36.220 of his more recent columns is beware the Facebook parents group. 0:15:37.020 --> 0:15:39.450 Do using these groups make your kids' lives better? What 0:15:39.470 --> 0:15:42.120 about your own? The answer I'm afraid to say is no. 0:15:43.030 --> 0:15:47.150 And they've done studies of this. These millions of forums 0:15:47.230 --> 0:15:49.870 exist online from Reddit threads to private Facebook groups where 0:15:49.910 --> 0:15:52.390 parents communicate with one another about how to raise their kids. 0:15:52.990 --> 0:15:55.350 Some focus on tips for parents of new babies, but 0:15:55.370 --> 0:15:58.010 a very common type is populated by parents of young 0:15:58.050 --> 0:16:02.730 adults going off to college. And you've got helicopter moms 0:16:02.790 --> 0:16:07.360 who continue their helicoptering and trade tips. 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:10.080 On dorm wall paint colors, how to. 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.660 Complain to the dean if their child gets a bad grade, 0:16:12.700 --> 0:16:15.920 the brand of soap in the bathroom, how. 0:16:15.820 --> 0:16:19.400 You can door dash essentials to your child. I guarantee 0:16:19.420 --> 0:16:21.290 you my parents did not know what kind of soap 0:16:21.350 --> 0:16:22.810 I was using when I was 20 years old. 0:16:23.900 --> 0:16:27.370 Just all just obsession with every detail of their now 0:16:27.470 --> 0:16:29.190 adult children's lives. 0:16:30.030 --> 0:16:32.430 And it's all just on healthy. 0:16:33.010 --> 0:16:36.310 And, and he goes back to the, I'm summarizing very, 0:16:36.350 --> 0:16:38.570 very quickly though. It brings me back to my audience 0:16:38.610 --> 0:16:41.270 members question. Does using these groups make your kids' lives better? 0:16:41.670 --> 0:16:44.530 What about your own? The answer I'm afraid is no. 0:16:45.490 --> 0:16:48.120 And he goes into a bunch of research and then 0:16:49.060 --> 0:16:53.590 a study in the journal, biological psychology, uh, And it's 0:16:53.650 --> 0:16:56.090 absolutely terrible, terrible, all this stuff. 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.820 The discussion that comes out of the result of this trial, 0:17:01.980 --> 0:17:04.820 the Clancy trial, which we might get any day now, 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:07.980 is going to be quite the national conversation, I'm guessing, 0:17:08.700 --> 0:17:12.859 especially if she gets some sort of lighter sentence for 0:17:12.900 --> 0:17:15.990 having killed all three kids. We'll be talking about it. 0:17:16.940 --> 0:17:18.020 Armstrong and Getty. 0:17:19.990 --> 0:17:23.149 The FDA approved that groundbreaking new drug, the one to 0:17:23.190 --> 0:17:26.950 treat pancreatic cancer. Patients taking the daily pills live nearly 0:17:27.070 --> 0:17:30.629 twice as long as people treated with chemotherapy alone, according 0:17:30.650 --> 0:17:31.270 to the research. 0:17:31.970 --> 0:17:35.750 Huge breakthrough in the worst cancer diagnosis you can get. 0:17:36.170 --> 0:17:38.850 Pancreatic cancer, which often, you know, you get four weeks 0:17:38.890 --> 0:17:40.820 to live, which is about as horrific as anything can be. 0:17:42.300 --> 0:17:43.740 Now they got a drug that's going to help that 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.219 a lot. Is that the thing Ben Sasse is on 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:47.960 where he announced, you know, I'm going to be dead 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:50.540 in a month and he's still kicking six months later? 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:57.300 Gosh, unless there are multiple miracle saviors for pancreatic cancer 0:17:57.380 --> 0:17:58.340 on the market right now. 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:00.419 And there might be a couple, but I don't know. 0:18:01.350 --> 0:18:06.409 Maybe with AI, this is the much touted positive spin 0:18:06.450 --> 0:18:08.889 of AI ever, is that all the medical breakthroughs it 0:18:08.910 --> 0:18:10.610 can get. I hope we start hearing tons of those. 0:18:11.010 --> 0:18:13.270 when AI gets going. On the other hand, Mark Halpern 0:18:13.290 --> 0:18:16.790 writes today, AI is now the biggest threat to America. 0:18:16.990 --> 0:18:19.750 And we'll get into that a little bit later. It's really, 0:18:19.810 --> 0:18:22.590 really interesting. I look forward to talking about that. Yeah, 0:18:22.609 --> 0:18:24.369 I've got the perfect story to go with it. 0:18:24.450 --> 0:18:26.810 The long and short of it is that those AI 0:18:26.910 --> 0:18:30.109 detectors that they can identify, that book was 30% AI 0:18:30.210 --> 0:18:32.830 or that magazine article, blah, blah, blah. 0:18:33.150 --> 0:18:35.379 They're notoriously inaccurate. 0:18:35.390 --> 0:18:35.600 Shocking. 0:18:35.619 --> 0:18:38.459 And a lot of people are getting impugned unfairly. Shocking. 0:18:39.900 --> 0:18:43.800 I am going to step into the, there's no winning 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:48.879 in this conversation. Everybody will end up angry territory of 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:53.200 autism diagnoses. Oh, super. But there is a new Swedish 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:59.639 study out that if this is true, the shocking rise 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:03.140 in autism, at least this century since 2000, has been 0:19:03.180 --> 0:19:10.820 mostly the mild kind of As we all know, it's 0:19:10.859 --> 0:19:14.460 a spectrum, and you can be autistic. I have a 0:19:14.500 --> 0:19:18.320 friend who's a mom who has four autistic kids, ranging 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:24.639 from quite mild to very disabled. And so autistic is 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:28.800 not autistic. It's not a one-word thing. You really need 0:19:28.820 --> 0:19:32.180 to know to what level. Well, according to this new, 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:35.440 very large Swedish study that's getting a lot of attention, 0:19:36.980 --> 0:19:41.149 The with intellectual disability, in other words, you it really 0:19:41.310 --> 0:19:43.750 makes it difficult for you to to learn and function 0:19:43.790 --> 0:19:47.670 in the world has stayed pretty flat this century. The 0:19:48.230 --> 0:19:52.540 without intellectual disability. has gone up a lot all the 0:19:52.619 --> 0:19:58.720 increase is the without intellectual disability autism so you know 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:01.340 take that for what it's worth all studies need to 0:20:01.380 --> 0:20:05.320 be verified or not over time and then what does 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:11.540 that mean for our view of what autistic means We're 0:20:11.619 --> 0:20:14.480 so early in the understanding of all this stuff. Oh, 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:15.220 hell yeah. 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:17.639 Yeah, I do. I, for one, as a parent of 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:21.200 an autistic child, am not offended or angered by your 0:20:21.220 --> 0:20:24.679 bringing us that story. It's very interesting, thought-provoking, and all 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:27.720 the questions still remain. What the hell is behind it 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:32.300 in the first place? Why the increases at all? What 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:35.619 does it mean? Is one place on the spectrum actually 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:37.040 distinct from another one? 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:40.300 Is it a different thing that just looks similar? I 0:20:40.340 --> 0:20:43.010 don't know. I wish I knew. That's a good one. 0:20:43.020 --> 0:20:48.950 We have a lot to know. Wanted to get into 0:20:48.990 --> 0:20:50.690 this a little bit later. Maybe we'll play some of 0:20:50.730 --> 0:20:56.950 the audio. The body cam footage came out for... Jed York, 0:20:56.990 --> 0:21:00.570 the owner of the San Francisco 49ers, soliciting prostitution, and 0:21:00.609 --> 0:21:03.530 it made every newscast in America. And I tweeted out 0:21:03.670 --> 0:21:06.360 the link to it and said, do we think this 0:21:06.420 --> 0:21:08.240 is a good idea? I wish we'd figure this out. 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:14.040 You committed a misdemeanor crime that is like a $ 900 fine, 0:21:14.580 --> 0:21:17.640 and you get nationally embarrassed along with it. Does that 0:21:17.700 --> 0:21:23.030 make sense as a punishment? Because it was about sex. Yeah. Yeah, 0:21:23.170 --> 0:21:23.450 I know. 0:21:23.850 --> 0:21:26.550 I'm not comfortable with that. I have no interest in 0:21:26.609 --> 0:21:28.030 seeing that. I can picture it. 0:21:28.410 --> 0:21:32.950 Yeah, it is incredibly embarrassing. He committed a minor crime. 0:21:34.290 --> 0:21:38.760 Should you be nationally embarrassed among your friends, family, kids, 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:44.000 everything for all eternity for a misdemeanor with a minor fine? 0:21:45.710 --> 0:21:47.390 We ought to make a decision on that. 0:21:47.930 --> 0:21:50.510 Well, I don't know if this is not an argument 0:21:50.530 --> 0:21:53.520 in either direction, but it's clearly the downside of the 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:57.639 transparency of our law enforcement system and our justice system 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:03.020 in general. If I have the right to observe to 0:22:03.060 --> 0:22:07.619 make sure no cops are beating down suspects, I suppose 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:10.280 I have the right to see Jed York being read 0:22:10.340 --> 0:22:11.439 as Miranda writes as. 0:22:11.420 --> 0:22:13.070 He rolls his eyes. And I don't know if he 0:22:13.109 --> 0:22:18.500 rolls his eyes or not. I would have. He looks 0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:24.629 pretty schlubby and discouraged, I'm guessing. He comes off as 0:22:24.670 --> 0:22:28.060 a schlubby dope, there's no doubt. But imagine he was 0:22:28.100 --> 0:22:31.670 in a state of quite shock. Well, you're going. 0:22:31.510 --> 0:22:36.969 From arousal to the clinky handcuffs, the bracelets of doom. 0:22:37.090 --> 0:22:39.929 I mean, that's a tough day. You're going from thinking 0:22:39.950 --> 0:22:43.240 you're about to get some to, wait a second. 0:22:43.340 --> 0:22:44.939 Put your hands behind your back. 0:22:45.260 --> 0:22:47.919