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Speaker 3: See, now that's a Republican voice.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting ready for John.

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Speaker 1: All right, y'all.

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Speaker 3: or wherever you are listening to this week's episode, because boy,

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Speaker 3: we might get you in your fields just a bit.

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Speaker 1: This week we are talking about accountability.

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Speaker 3: Some of y'all don't even know that word, do you,

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Speaker 3: and the justice system specifically within our own community, and y'all,

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Speaker 1: So, in terms of accountability, let's be very clear, I

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Speaker 1: And let's be very clear. I say that.

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Speaker 3: Because in terms of us seeking justice, which we saw

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Speaker 3: like we seek justice only in the moments.

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Speaker 1: In which we feel the others, Yes.

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Speaker 3: The others I'm talking about, y'all know who I'm talking about,

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Speaker 3: We believe in snitches, we believe in turning the blind

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Speaker 3: And we also believe in wanting our people to be free,

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Speaker 3: free PuO quing them what a shirt?

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Speaker 1: The hashtags.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand why we have this blinder or this

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Speaker 3: I want to also talk about jail time. I want

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Speaker 3: We see the marijuana is now legal across multiple states

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Speaker 3: across the country. Right, Guns, I like a gun range

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Speaker 3: from time to time, you just needed to sell a couple, you.

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Speaker 1: Didn't pull the trigger. Now, killing somebody.

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Speaker 3: I don't really hold no type of rehabilitation there. I

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Speaker 1: And then let's be also very clear, any crime committed

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Speaker 3: I do not believe pedophiles have a way in which

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: We're going to get into the conversation today around where

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Speaker 1: Excited to be joined today by two guests.

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Speaker 3: I have journalists and media personality and hosts extraordinaire Selita Hill.

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Speaker 1: You guys may know her as.

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Speaker 3: A writer with Black Enterprise. And then I enjoined it's Esquire.

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Speaker 3: Right at the end, I got suh, Kenneth Montgomery Esquire,

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Speaker 3: who is a criminal defense.

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Speaker 1: Attorney, joining me as well. And you reign from Jersey.

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Speaker 3: Correct, you're not in Jersey, You're Brooklyn.

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Speaker 4: He said, I practice across the country, national practice.

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Speaker 3: And you know I need saying, he said, I'm him

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Speaker 3: now based on what I just said and where I stand,

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Speaker 2: And it's I think everything requires context, right, Okay, Yes,

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Speaker 2: I'll say this, the people going to jail is less

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Speaker 2: It was started as a right wing, white nationalistic experiment

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Speaker 2: And I think when you start talking about why people

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Speaker 2: There is any transparency with whiteness. So rich black celebrities

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Speaker 2: You can't build a country on exterminating indigenous people exterminating Mexicans, enslaving,

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Speaker 2: exterminating black people, and create this so called democratic, beautiful

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Speaker 2: Why can you have a twenty twenty five How can

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Speaker 3: To me, it's not that no one has a problem

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Speaker 3: We will never be white, so to me, in terms

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Speaker 3: And so that that now, that now allows itself to

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Speaker 1: And so why now we don't hold our.

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Speaker 1: To me, it's an excuse. Well, the white man can

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Speaker 3: I think it removes the our responsibility to our own

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Speaker 4: But I feel like in our community we do help,

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Speaker 4: we do have accountability, you do.

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Speaker 4: In that sense, Like I feel like there's different tiers,

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Speaker 4: Let's say somebody is being convicted or you know, for

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Speaker 4: like when OJ was acquitting. How many of us cheered?

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Speaker 4: I was four, I was six, but I remember my grandmother,

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Speaker 5: We were like, yes, finally, it's our term.

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Speaker 4: So like to your point, if you're saying O J

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I ain't gonna hold I hear y'all.

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Speaker 3: And this is where I have the biggest problem. If

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, derekge Derek.

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Speaker 3: And when when Kerry Washington calls for Derek, that's his name,

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Speaker 2: Grieving specification, self defense.

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Speaker 1: Now you're on trial.

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Speaker 3: I do not believe that you at that point should

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Speaker 2: So so oh, I love it. Question, So quest to

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Speaker 2: If she would have won, does that mean that sexism

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Speaker 3: My issue stems from us right now removing the fact

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Speaker 5: We have been mobilized.

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Speaker 4: And what I've seen it in twenty twelve and Traymon

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Speaker 5: We've seen it in twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Performative twenty as well. You think you think I thought

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Speaker 2: Because listen, IBM meant with red, black and green, that

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Speaker 4: Dynastications were performative. But to say that black lives matter,

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Speaker 5: That's what they weren't paying attention. They weren't caring enough to.

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Speaker 1: I get where you're.

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Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying, but what happened listen. In

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Speaker 6: Dian Selena go no, because I just felt like I

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Speaker 4: The reason why is because I feel like it negates

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Speaker 5: Again, I don't, I don't. I don't poo poole on

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Speaker 4: I don't look down on officials that were elected because

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Speaker 5: We make change.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: Some of us were in the streets, some of us

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Speaker 4: to your point, Black Lives Matter is such a broad umbrella, right,

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Speaker 5: But I don't think that it.

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Speaker 5: Person that it was killed for it should be held

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Speaker 2: Course they should. My point is that it was performative

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Speaker 2: the reason why that can happen, and most people don't

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Speaker 2: So when people see that, But we live in a

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Speaker 2: other than hell, no, we won't go.

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Speaker 5: And build upon it. Let's not take away from Black

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Speaker 4: Let's say like, okay, let's get infrastructure, let's get organized,

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Speaker 7: But then that's why you say we don't have a community,

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Speaker 3: Because say that too, because when it came to Black

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Speaker 3: so they treated blmpun They took them coins and said.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a mentioned, I was gonna buy a car.

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Speaker 8: As a pro capitalist person, can you blame someone for

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Speaker 2: Whiteness does with.

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Speaker 7: So can we use be on them. So y'all been

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Speaker 2: Okay, No, I like this.

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Speaker 1: It's all based on that's what the episode.

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Speaker 3: So last year, Chicago woman was sentenced to nine years

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 1: And I want to add that. Can we get the name?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I see him? So the Kansas City chiefs player Chris

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Speaker 3: He came out to say and offered that he would

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Speaker 1: Now, will we talk about again? My issue with accountability

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Speaker 1: I'll look at it that way.

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Speaker 3: I do want to give you a little bit of insight.

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Speaker 2: She's older.

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Speaker 1: Older.

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Speaker 3: The reason why I don't give a fuck.

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Speaker 2: So here's here's my problem. If we were not really

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Speaker 2: Pick up a book called Griftopia. Pick up Judge ray

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Speaker 2: Cooff's Ed Jeb Raycoff's Jed Raycoff's latest book on the

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Speaker 2: So excuse listen, no, no, no, no, listen listen, listen.

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Speaker 2: The banks? How do how do drug dealers survive? They

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Speaker 2: So JP Morgan t d. These guys lock it up.

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Speaker 2: They are loitering the money for the cartoons. You know,

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Speaker 2: if it happened, they pay a fine. You know what

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Speaker 2: the Sackler family does when they're represented by Ted Wells,

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Speaker 1: Years.

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Speaker 5: That's that's that's too long.

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Speaker 2: What's the partularization long?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So here's my take on this story.

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Speaker 3: First off, the fact that the Kansas City chiefs player

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Speaker 2: Man he wants to pay the fine.

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Speaker 3: No, no, he wants to pay that money back to

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Speaker 1: Time for her crime. I think she is still she

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Speaker 3: And that's the thing when I say excuse, all I

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Speaker 1: Like, well, they got away with it. I should be too, No,

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Speaker 1: but but now exactly, But it's.

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Speaker 3: The accountability y'all are saying, Well, if you wanted to

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Speaker 3: she should get out of jail.

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Speaker 2: So Brett Faarr gets nothing then, right, But again you

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Speaker 2: I'm bringing up. I'm bringing up statistics of what's going on.

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Speaker 2: If you're going to enforce a crime, enforce the crime.

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Speaker 2: So my point is, yes, if there are corporations committing crimes,

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Speaker 7: Over to can do parallel her with Brett Favre because

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Speaker 7: I think that I think that's more equally.

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Speaker 2: Far basically took money away from people who needed it, yep,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely these children need this chicken.

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Speaker 2: Yo.

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Speaker 1: Listen, these children.

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Speaker 2: Got a lot greater part man. And this is what

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Speaker 2: I'm going to lead it up to. Elad. We can't

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Speaker 2: that's a bit unfair. Okay, that's just my opinion.

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Speaker 3: I do think life is not fair, and so to me,

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Speaker 2: Rate two point five million people.

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Speaker 4: My question to you, Kathy is why does this elder

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Speaker 5: Why does that matter? Why does why do you care

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Speaker 5: so much?

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Speaker 4: And there are systemic issues that are keeping us down

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Speaker 4: as a community, like why does this?

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Speaker 1: Why do we have why are we so inficded about this?

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Speaker 5: What I had mental health challenges?

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Speaker 1: Oh, here you look at.

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Speaker 4: But the kicks, first of all, they said that the

449
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Speaker 4: chicken wings have bones in it and the kids couldn't

450
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Speaker 4: even eat them.

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Speaker 1: She stopped from cancer.

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Speaker 5: Like, I'm happy she got out.

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Speaker 1: No, I think she's feeling I think she's feeling okay.

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Speaker 1: I would.

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Speaker 2: Let me just say something else, because I think I'm

456
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Speaker 2: the only one in there who picks juries for a living.

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Speaker 2: You know, black people convict just like every yes, they do,

458
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Speaker 2: black or white. It's like, it's not like black people

459
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Speaker 2: are going in that courthouse and exercising jeury nullification.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: Black people are conservative concerning that, and they are convicting

462
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Speaker 2: other black people. You don't get the number of black

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Speaker 2: people in the criminal justice system if black people were not,

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Speaker 2: if they were so uh not concerned.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so we help, we hold each other accountable.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this.

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Speaker 3: We talked about this one off here. They don't want

468
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Speaker 3: to bring it up, so another woman.

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Speaker 1: Not that I care a lot.

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Speaker 3: Let's also let's be very clear. I don't care about

471
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Speaker 3: you niggas, don't care about what the hell y'all got

472
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Speaker 3: going on. Don't care about the crime you commit. But

473
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Speaker 3: if you commit the crime, you do the time.

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Speaker 1: I actually believe, I believe.

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Speaker 3: So we'll get into that so an Amazon worker during

476
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Speaker 3: the pandemic also sold ten million dollars from Amazon in

477
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Speaker 3: a mastermind scheme.

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Speaker 1: Not let's be very clear, because it's funny.

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Speaker 3: You see here, Yes, she sold from Jeff Bezos and

480
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Speaker 3: gave it to another billionaire.

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Speaker 1: Because she bought a Tesla and a Lamborghinie wrote up.

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Speaker 1: She said, let me take this on it from Bess

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Speaker 1: put in Eli. You feel me again. The financial literacy

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Speaker 1: of it corporation.

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Speaker 2: That's it. That's just like killing. Mike went on there crying, revolutionary,

486
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Speaker 2: make revolutionary music. When casts start tearing shit down, don't

487
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Speaker 2: Let's don't mess with the buildings. We have buildings here,

488
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Speaker 2: the building, a lot of buildings. Corporation.

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Speaker 1: Now, let's be clear. I don't care that the money

490
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Speaker 1: was taken from a corporation.

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Speaker 3: However, this same story, women were like, well here's a billionaire. Yes,

492
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Speaker 3: good for her. She took this ten million dollars and

493
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Speaker 3: ran it up and again did not hold this woman

494
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Speaker 3: accountable for yet again, to me, this is a crime.

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Speaker 3: You should not be still. I don't care if it's

496
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Speaker 3: from a corporation. I don't care's from your grandmama.

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Speaker 2: First listen, if she got convictioned in your federal system.

498
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Speaker 2: In the federal system is that is a is a

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Speaker 2: is a lost. How you calculate loss in the federal

500
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Speaker 2: system is a statute. I think it's two point d one.

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Speaker 2: It is actual loss and intended loss, right, and that

502
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Speaker 2: when you look at that statute. Even judges like the

503
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Speaker 2: former judge Gleeson, great guy, they talk about how there's

504
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Speaker 2: a lot of discrepancies as to how you calculate loss.

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Speaker 2: So her sixteen year sentence is literally a Metrican equation

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Speaker 2: involving her criminal history points and the amount of loss

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Speaker 2: in her guideline sentence.

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Speaker 3: Well, also, I know you mentioned the federal like this

509
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Speaker 3: being a federal case, and I think that that's where

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Speaker 3: I would have drawn or drew the differences between the

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Speaker 3: Brett Favre and the Chicken Wing lady that happened in

512
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Speaker 3: the state of Illinois and Chicago, and then Brett Favre

513
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Speaker 3: was Mississippi, if I'm not mistaken, right, or Alabama with

514
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Speaker 3: one of the southern states. So unfortunately, what we also

515
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Speaker 3: have to consider in terms of talking about the justice

516
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Speaker 3: system and crimes and things.

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Speaker 1: Like that, is there is a huge difference.

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Speaker 3: We see what's happened with rico cases and drawing those

519
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Speaker 3: differences to if you get a state charge, and so

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Speaker 3: to me, you also have to look at across state lines,

521
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Speaker 3: like who's who's actually judging on this, who's voted into

522
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Speaker 3: those places? And this is why we talk about the

523
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Speaker 3: presidential election isn't the most important your local voting like

524
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Speaker 3: those voting elections are just as important.

525
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Speaker 2: But let's be clear, most white collar criminal defendants do

526
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Speaker 2: not go to jail or are even really prosecuted.

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Speaker 4: But so so if that's the case, right, should we

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Speaker 4: be saying that because they are prosecuted or convicted at

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Speaker 4: the same rate that we know black folks are Black

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Speaker 4: folks should just get away with everything more focus on

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Speaker 4: fighting white collar crime.

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Speaker 2: I think we should put more focus in creating an

533
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Speaker 2: equitable criminal justice system. That's what we don't focus onistic

534
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Speaker 2: it can be if the people, but most Americans are

535
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Speaker 2: afraid of one of everything.

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Speaker 7: And Kenneth, by equitable, do you mean like restructuring the

537
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Speaker 7: sentencing guidelines.

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Speaker 2: The centizing guidelines need to be restructured both on the

539
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Speaker 2: federal level. The legislature need to deal with like we

540
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Speaker 2: don't address the real issues and crime and listen, let's

541
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Speaker 2: be honest about crime is and no disrespect to you man.

542
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Speaker 2: You sound like a Southerner right now, and it.

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Speaker 9: Says no, no, no, Lee like Lee Atwater in the

544
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Speaker 9: sense that we all know that crime is the big

545
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Speaker 9: pink elephant in the room to get people riled up.

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Speaker 2: Because what we when we think of crime in America?

547
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Speaker 2: What do we think of black people? That is not

548
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Speaker 2: true for me, from not for you. And I'm thinking

549
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Speaker 2: from a from a society standpoint. The reason why politicians,

550
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Speaker 2: both on both sides of the aisle jump up and

551
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Speaker 2: start talking about crime, the reason why this bonehead dude

552
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Speaker 2: Tump jumps up and talk about all this it is

553
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Speaker 2: because people know that that's how you get white voters.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a bit of where I'm at with this.

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Speaker 3: Then, when it comes to any case, any crime, I do, Oh,

556
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Speaker 3: this is gonna sound so.

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Speaker 1: Of me. I remove color.

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Speaker 10: However, may Taylor Green come on, now, I.

559
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Speaker 2: Don't like better than this.

560
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Speaker 3: But if I'm looking at a case, oftentimes I am

561
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Speaker 3: looking at the evidence and the crime committed. And this

562
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Speaker 3: is where I want to side bar this conversation. Then

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Speaker 3: with then what does justice look like? How do we

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Speaker 3: identify just well because then I say that, because then

565
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Speaker 3: we can talk about the both of them gene family.

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Speaker 3: But in terms of justice, I have a I have

567
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Speaker 3: a difficulty with what that really looks like as well.

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Speaker 4: I think from my standpoint when it comes to justice, right,

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Speaker 4: I think that when I look at people in cases,

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Speaker 4: I'm looking at Okay, what Kenny was saying, the fact

571
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Speaker 4: that you have so many white people, privileged people, affluent

572
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Speaker 4: people who get away with so much criminality, and I'm like,

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Speaker 4: they and they aren't held accountable. Right, But then when

574
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Speaker 4: you have you know, Auntie Betty who we know, you know,

575
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Speaker 4: has sticky fingers and got our hands on one point

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Speaker 4: five million dollars worth of chicken wings, or you had

577
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Speaker 4: the other.

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Speaker 1: Syst who.

579
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Speaker 5: Who figured out a.

580
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Speaker 4: Way to figure out a way to you know, take

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Speaker 4: ten million dollars worth of Amazon. It's like, okay, but

582
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Speaker 4: what communities are they coming from? What happened or what

583
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Speaker 4: what are they doing or what have they witnessed or

584
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Speaker 4: experienced where they feel the need to commit certain acts

585
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Speaker 4: for survival, for survival?

586
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Speaker 1: We don't know. Are both of you'all business owners?

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Speaker 10: Yes?

588
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Speaker 1: Yes, Auntie with the sticky favors.

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Speaker 3: Still's one point five million dollars worth of something through

590
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Speaker 3: accounts payable to your to your You shouldn't have did that, Okay,

591
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Speaker 3: So I want to hear it too, and I want

592
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Speaker 3: the answer from it. Yes, because you're giving the empathy

593
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Speaker 3: because amazone. Okay, So Aunty with the sticky fingers, there's

594
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Speaker 3: one point five million dollars from your business.

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Speaker 5: I would have said, why didn't you come to me?

596
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 5: We could have had a conversation if you said, just

597
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Speaker 5: do you know rent issue?

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Speaker 2: And I'll wrap here are you hiring?

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Speaker 1: I see this childhood.

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Speaker 4: Seriously, like I see myself, I see my family, I

601
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Speaker 4: see the people I grew up with, I see my neighbors.

602
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Speaker 4: It's hard for me to feel judgmental because I understand

603
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Speaker 4: the struggle. So because I do emphasize and I'm just like,

604
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 4: we could have figured it out. If you needed some

605
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 4: more money, let's figure out how to get this money together,

606
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Speaker 4: and you figure out how to steal ten million dollars

607
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Speaker 4: of Amazon, you might have come teach me something.

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Speaker 10: You know what that's maybe money, cooperative economics, so money?

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Speaker 2: So how could you even clear example? Just this year, uh,

610
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Speaker 2: some individuals were prosecuted in the Eastern District of New

611
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Speaker 2: York for stealing money from lawyers. Okay, I was one

612
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Speaker 2: of the lawyers where they caught my check, A couple

613
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Speaker 2: of them.

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Speaker 1: How much they're checking war five?

615
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Speaker 2: How much some check being about one hundred and seventy

616
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars worth of money and you got money? Attorney

617
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Speaker 2: US Attorney's office called Ken. These are US attorneys. I'm

618
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Speaker 2: usually against their adversaries. Ken, you're complaining, Hey, tell us

619
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Speaker 2: what happened? Hey, would you would you? Would you mind

620
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Speaker 2: making a statement at sentencing against them? Nah? I'm okay, no.

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Speaker 1: But they still got one to jail, right.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even follow the case, but I wasn't gonna

623
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Speaker 2: try to knock their head off over that. It didn't

624
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Speaker 2: bother me that I don't care that much about money, Okay,

625
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: To be quite honest, I never have. But I think

626
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Speaker 2: that we if we really, we don't live in an

627
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Speaker 2: equitable criminal justice system. It's flawed, it's not transparent, and

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Speaker 2: it's Listen. It's a great book. Pick up Judge Frederick

629
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Speaker 2: Block's book, A Second Chance. Judge Frederick Block is a

630
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Speaker 2: federal judge who's handled some of the most serious cases

631
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Speaker 2: in the country, who even just recently a very good

632
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Speaker 2: friend of mine he released off of five life sentences.

633
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Speaker 2: He gave this man five life sentences. His name is

634
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Speaker 2: Walter Tut Johnson. He gave Tut five life sentences. He

635
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Speaker 2: released him. I had another client in front of him,

636
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Speaker 2: my own client, Racine Maightin. He gave him one thousand

637
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Speaker 2: and eighty months. You know what that is a lot? Yeah,

638
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 2: ninety years. He just rescinduced him. He'll be home in

639
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: two years. So it's like we our sense of justice

640
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Speaker 2: also should include redemption.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I want.

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Speaker 3: I want to get to redemption. Yeah, because I don't

643
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Speaker 3: think everybody should be redeemed. But in what you said

644
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Speaker 3: and what you said, I just want to speak for

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Speaker 3: myself and Sir Curtis Jackson because.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 3: Fifth because me and fifty A line. I went to

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Speaker 3: invest Best last year at the Yes Investment shout out

649
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Speaker 3: to to Troy Vershatt from Earn Your Leisure. They had investments.

650
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Speaker 3: They held it in Atlanta.

651
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Speaker 1: And it's one of the biggest, the biggest business festivals.

652
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Speaker 1: Selena was there as well, and so.

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Speaker 3: Fifty cents that on stage and spoke about his Cognac

654
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Speaker 3: brand and how the investors are one of the teams

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Speaker 3: from there. So I don't know what he said, like

656
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Speaker 3: three million dollars or something from it, and he said

657
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Speaker 3: he looked into the accounting.

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Speaker 1: And was like, these motherfuckers told from me. And he said,

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Speaker 1: you know what.

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Speaker 3: I spent five million dollars in legal fees just to

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Speaker 3: make sure I let them know that I'm not to

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Speaker 3: be played with. And so when it comes to maybe

663
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 3: you not having that relationship with money and me viewing

664
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: these people as people despite the color of their skin,

665
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: I think in where I stand of respect owed and

666
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 3: people not playing in my face and my life that

667
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 3: I had to live, and not wanting certain people around

668
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 3: or again, if they commit certain crimes.

669
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Speaker 1: I ain't gonna hold you. But what they say, you

670
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: still one point five million for me, I'm coming after

671
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: your family, bitch. I don't give a whole fuck.

672
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 3: I think this forgiveness to people committing crimes due to

673
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 3: the trauma and tragedy that our community has had to

674
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Speaker 3: face over the last four hundred years and centuries to come.

675
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 3: I just don't feel like that allows an excuse in

676
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: my present day, where we may not see world peace,

677
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 3: where we may not see the turning of the justice

678
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 3: system actually be equitable. No, literally, we're in a place

679
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: where and so to me, the idea of this forgiveness

680
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 3: or leniency on crimes that are actually committed, I don't

681
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: understand when, yes, we're probably facing in the next four years,

682
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 3: who knows what because of who we've allowed, Yes, as.

683
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: A white man to be present.

684
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: I think was deep inside of a lot of people

685
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 2: is that they realized that the real criminals are never

686
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 2: held accountable. Agree, yes, understand, And I think when you

687
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: have that reality, I think that warks your sense of

688
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: justice when you know that there's really no transparency in

689
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 2: our criminal justice system.

690
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 3: Now, both of Jean's family did just get awarded one

691
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 3: hundred million dollars to be paid by the ex cop.

692
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 1: They're aware that they.

693
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 3: Will probably never see a red penny from that woman. However,

694
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 3: they believe that was justice. I do want to know

695
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 3: again if we're identifying or viewing what we view justice

696
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: to be. Because how much time does she have she

697
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 3: and with good times she probably seven. I think, well

698
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 3: she's already served maybe three, so she she will be home.

699
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: Does that look like justice?

700
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 3: And when we talk about then redeemable things, do you

701
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 3: view someone serving time in jail when they come out,

702
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 3: that being their redemption.

703
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: Uh no, okay, you could redeem yourself and still be

704
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: in jail. I think redemption is I don't think you

705
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 2: have to you know, redemption is a personal thing. Redemption

706
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: is personal. It's what what what redemption really is is

707
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: self reflection, right, self reflection and triggering your value system

708
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 2: and realizing that holding yourself accountable. Forget the laws, forget

709
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: the rule of law. The American rule of law is

710
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 2: just a A is a paradigm and structure for power.

711
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 2: It's not it's not this angelic thing that you assent to.

712
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: It's just for power. It's all. It's only there for power.

713
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 2: Redemption is personal. You know, listen and and and death

714
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 2: penalty cases, there's such this. This is a victim impact

715
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 2: statement is you know, you get an opportunity sometimes to

716
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: see what the family wants. Remember the Dylan Roof, Yes,

717
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 2: remember dyaling with Remember the Black family. They came out

718
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 2: and they said that, you know, we didn't want the

719
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: death penalty. Yep, that's a personal thing.

720
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: It is a personal thing, a personal because I want

721
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: it's suspective.

722
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 2: You know, listen, but back to your death as at

723
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Speaker 2: all on the y.

724
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 4: The reason being is because more black people are disproportionately

725
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 4: killed under the death penalty.

726
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter the crime.

727
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 4: No, the government didn't give life, so they can't take

728
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 4: away my finish.

729
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 5: But back to Baltham Gene where we were talking.

730
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: About people his last time and he deals to he

731
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: executed thirteen people.

732
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: He signed out fund it.

733
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Speaker 4: So that's all we were talking about that. I feel

734
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 4: like the real crime there we gonna talk about accountability.

735
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 4: Why is it okay for the city to recuse themselves

736
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 4: if the city was given that payout family at least a.

737
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Speaker 2: Couple of months.

738
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Speaker 5: So can you please explain how so this woman Ambergire,

739
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 5: if we remember in twenty eighteen, she was in uniform,

740
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 5: she gave police commands and basically what the union right.

741
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Speaker 1: She was.

742
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 5: She was off duty, but she was still trained by

743
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 5: the city police, right, and she there was a certain

744
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 5: way she should have handled that. She should have backed up,

745
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 5: She should have called for backup.

746
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 4: You know, you don't continue to pursue mind from what

747
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 4: I understand. Nonetheless, the city got was refused themselves and

748
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 4: was not held accountable at all for what that person did,

749
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 4: that police officer did.

750
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 5: How does that happened.

751
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: Had that happen.

752
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Speaker 2: Part? I mean, it's part of it. I mean, if

753
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: if we understand America, we know that, you know, the

754
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: protection of the police is everything. Can the city say that,

755
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: they say, listen to me, listen New York City. You

756
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: know how much money New York City pays out on

757
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: a daily basis.

758
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 5: Don't they pay like one fifteen million elazariness?

759
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: So you pull up, Oh yeah, don't look, don't look.

760
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: Okay, fine, we could get into it.

761
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Speaker 2: I do our tweets, I pull that flip the script.

762
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Speaker 10: I just want to say one thing about just piggybacking

763
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 10: off of Kenny said, we talked abut self accountability.

764
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Speaker 2: Rapper g Depth.

765
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Speaker 10: You know, he woke up a family's worst nightmare when

766
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 10: he revealed that he murdered somebody in his community and

767
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 10: they didn't know who.

768
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Speaker 2: The murderer was.

769
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Speaker 10: He felt all his guilt and wanted to, you know,

770
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Speaker 10: have self accountability.

771
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: Turn himself into years. So he just came home out

772
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Speaker 2: of doing a stint.

773
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 10: But you know, not all criminals do that, but he

774
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 10: did it. You know, he said, Yo, you know what

775
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 10: I did this murder?

776
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Speaker 2: You know.

777
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Speaker 3: But before we get to flip the script, which is

778
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 3: where we're going to pull up some of your tweets

779
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Speaker 3: I did want to get into then the I guess

780
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Speaker 3: free so and so more.

781
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Speaker 2: Okay, you hate it, and I'm a criminal defense attorney

782
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 2: grew up in Brooklyn, Brownsville, Crown Heights. Because bullshit, it's

783
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: like because I never you know what, I never heard

784
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: anybody say free mo Mia or free Asada chicor or

785
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: free like we so what we talking about? What do

786
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: you what are you saying? What does that mean? It's

787
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 2: really no disrespect for lack of a better word, blank

788
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: blank writing. M keenis writing, That's what it really is,

789
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: is following. I agree, that's what y'all doing. I listen.

790
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, although I did that free music.

791
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 2: I hate all those Instagram posts of everybody pulling up

792
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 2: all the gangsters and killers and drug dealers from back

793
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: in the day talking about how back how what you

794
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 2: how it used to be? That ship is corny to this, especially.

795
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 3: With with meats Getting's agul recently released. I know and

796
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Speaker 3: I also wanted to talk about to that. And again,

797
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 3: only because we're speaking of our own community, we idolize

798
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Speaker 3: as well.

799
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: Criminals from Frank Lucas to.

800
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Speaker 5: Big Me, and that's also hip hop.

801
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 2: Keep going, that's all that's some Americans culture culture, American.

802
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 4: Culturet al Capone, John Wayne, Hollywood, the criminal.

803
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: Better.

804
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 3: But that is where it's trickled down into where again,

805
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 3: maybe street Wood removes us from stitching on them.

806
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: From we want to be.

807
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 2: Culture is my culture. We don't know.

808
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 10: We don't know even all the rappers who all look

809
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 10: at all the rappers who duplicate the names of the

810
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 10: right Gotti.

811
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Speaker 1: I don't want to smoke with Italian.

812
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 4: So the real issue is why don't we dissect whiteness,

813
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 4: right and all of the privilege.

814
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: And girl, everybody like, we know already, we know what

815
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: they get. I know.

816
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 4: But the thing is it's deeper than that, right, Like,

817
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 4: if the issue is that whiteness gives you ability to

818
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 4: not be held accountable, and everyone else is like, you

819
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 4: know what, I'm tired of getting whipped on my back.

820
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 5: I'm tired of being a feeling in bondage. The answer

821
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 5: is I need to align myself with whiteness, right and

822
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 5: in any way possible. So that's what we're all doing.

823
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 5: So why don't we take down whiteness?

824
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: Well, because there's a there's a privilege there.

825
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 3: I think I want to them lead into what Kenneth

826
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 3: was saying about us not really having that community that

827
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 3: you believe we have. And it's because kind of like

828
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 3: what we saw with the election, right, even the Latinos,

829
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 3: y'all are minorities.

830
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Speaker 2: And witeness does contract and it and it does close closes,

831
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 2: it does.

832
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 3: But also let's be very clear of them, our our

833
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 3: our blinders to what we're seeing within our own community

834
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 3: as well, is all off skin. And as soon as

835
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: they get a couple of dollars, you know, they're at

836
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 3: those golf, those gol You know that. I don't want

837
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 3: to lean into deleting that this is just black men,

838
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 3: but both black men and women lean into dating life.

839
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: That helps much. But keep going. I don't think that there's.

840
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 3: A dismantling of that that we're going to see because

841
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 3: it affords you the whiteness, and it's what we've seen

842
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 3: with the election. Hold on, let's be very clear. They

843
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 3: come out and said we have to protect our whiteness.

844
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 5: Why don't we come out and say, let's it's time

845
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 5: for revolution, let's take down the country.

846
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 3: And I'll be honest with you, it's again, because you

847
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 3: want to sit here and have empathy for the criminals,

848
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 3: and you.

849
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: Want to and.

850
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: I'll go even a little bit further, why don't we

851
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: turn away from whiteness and get off the tit of whiteness? Great,

852
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 2: another way to live that's practical to oppendy, let's do it.

853
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 5: Let's let's get it, let's reimagine.

854
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 4: Let's reimagine what life could be and what power could

855
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 4: be without the constraints of whiteness.

856
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 5: Right, Like, we put whiteness on this pedestal, and I'm.

857
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 4: All subscribing to it. Right, it's either you want to

858
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 4: be it or you are it. And we're like, no,

859
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 4: let's go against the grain.

860
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 3: You know, you know what I envision while y'all were talking,

861
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 3: y'all remember the little Disney logo that like it was

862
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 3: like a shooting star that Yes, it's not of like fantasy,

863
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 3: it's notind of like a fairy tale like a Disney care.

864
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 11: It's like they just jumped I think where lowless white

865
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 11: people thought when they came to the Americas, Right, Yeah,

866
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 11: and that and that fairy tale became our nightmare.

867
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: So we we're now in a position where we're like, yo,

868
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 2: we can't beat them, just join.

869
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: Them, right, That's what we're doing.

870
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 4: And I'm sure there was there was how many people

871
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 4: that were on the plantation that said I can imagine something.

872
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 5: I want to imagine something called freedom, and they were

873
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 5: right right.

874
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 4: So I'm saying it starts with one person and then

875
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 4: you build a movement.

876
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 5: We could do it.

877
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 2: I believe that. Well.

878
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: I want to plip the script on both of y'all

879
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: real quick, and so I have a tweet pulled up

880
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: from Selena. Selena. You responded to a post from d L.

881
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 3: Hugh Lee, who retweeted something from Scott Fainberg, and the

882
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Speaker 3: tweet said, during the commercial break, Will Smith is pulled

883
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 3: aside and comforted by Denzel Washington and Tyler Perry, who

884
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 3: motioned for him to brush it off.

885
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: Will appears to white tears from.

886
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 3: His eyes as he sits back down with Jada, with

887
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 3: Denzel comforting Jada and Will's rep by his side. You responded,

888
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is you. The same photoshop this is you,

889
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 3: You said.

890
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: The fact that.

891
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 3: Will Smith was comforted after he assaulted Chris Rock is

892
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 3: a reflection of how society continues to sympathize, excuse, and

893
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 3: defend perpetrators of violence hashtag oscars.

894
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: Well, you are a.

895
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: Hypocritical everything you said, no one.

896
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: Hell, let's be also very clear. That's everything I was

897
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: just saying. And baby, you had sympathy fighters, they're so contexted.

898
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 10: Yeah, what is the.

899
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 3: Nond text because you had sympathy? Hold on, you comforted

900
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 3: that woman who sold that one boy five million dollars

901
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 3: of chicken wingsund you excuse the woman who sold ten

902
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 3: million dollars from Amazon. And so I want to ask

903
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 3: you with your views on this particular moment.

904
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Speaker 1: Yes, upset that so many people comforted a black man

905
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: shouldn't send in his nigger too.

906
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 2: He'sus entertaining.

907
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 5: Now I write the script and call out and this

908
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 5: is not hypocritical.

909
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 4: And the reason why I stand ten tones out. First

910
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 4: of all, the other people we were talking about.

911
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 5: Did not commit any acts of violence.

912
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Speaker 1: That's number one.

913
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Speaker 4: Number two the amount of privilege that Will Smith has

914
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Speaker 4: as one of the most famous, wealthiest black people on

915
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Speaker 4: the planet. And for him to, in my opinion, also

916
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 4: another black man on an.

917
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 5: On a on a televised celebrity, I don't agree with that.

918
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 4: Like, if you wanted to press christ Walk afterward, then automat. Okay,

919
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 4: you keep that in the cookout, right, you know what

920
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 4: I'm saying, you we do that outside.

921
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 5: To me, I did not agree with that, Selena.

922
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 2: I don't Agreeelena.

923
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 3: No, I don't think it's hypocriticals, Lena, because you just

924
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 3: talked about.

925
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: I like to have the privilege of white people.

926
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 3: Yes, they make crimes and slap each other, kill each other.

927
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 3: We talked about the monsters, we talked about the white

928
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 3: collar crimes. You are mad now that he got the privilege.

929
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 2: To But I think she's just talking about the point

930
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 2: of society, how we do support I need her faith.

931
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Speaker 1: As a means.

932
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 4: But to your point, right, when we were talking about

933
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 4: cowboy culture and and and even the light idolizing quote

934
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 4: unquote drug dealers, all of that also has to is

935
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 4: attached to a certain level of violence in this country

936
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Speaker 4: that America glor fives.

937
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 12: Right.

938
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 4: Yes, to me, this was an attack on the glorification

939
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 4: of violence in America.

940
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 5: Take the people out. It was deeper than that, and

941
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 5: that's what I was saying.

942
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 3: Okay, still definitely call you a hypocrite on that one.

943
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 3: We're gonna flip the script now, Kenneth.

944
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: All Right, I don't even read it, your sweet sense.

945
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 3: Nothing sparks your spirit in this empire like defending an

946
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 3: actually innocent person or a person that empire would like

947
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 3: to execute. I have done both, and it is a

948
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 3: reminder that there is nothing civilized about the American justice system.

949
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 2: That's a fact. Pull.

950
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: Do you have any any pushback from from this one?

951
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Speaker 1: Jason No.

952
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 7: I thought this was an interestant one, just in terms

953
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 7: of flipping it actually defending somebody is innocent.

954
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 2: So we're talking.

955
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: About you now, are criminal defense attorney.

956
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 2: Let me give you the background to please tweet. So

957
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 2: the background to this tweet was that I was in

958
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 2: I was on trial before Judge Michelle Johnson, who's the

959
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 2: administrative criminal judge in Queen Supreme Court, and I was

960
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: representing Maurice Young. Maurice Young was a beautiful young brother

961
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 2: who was accused of a shooting. Didn't commit And you.

962
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 1: Knew that by the evidence.

963
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 2: I knew that by the evidence. It was a video

964
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: of the shooting. And I took that and I took

965
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 2: that to my tech team and they pointed it out,

966
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Speaker 2: and I gave it to the Queen's District Attorney's office

967
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: and they the day before we were to pick the jury,

968
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: they said, you know what, would would you mind? Would

969
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: your godmind being polygraphed? First of all, polygraphs are are meaningless.

970
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: They don't mean shit. I again, polygraph, I don't give

971
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: a shape. Polygraph. Oh it's inconclusive. We're just going to

972
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 2: go to trial. It's a one witness. I d Ken,

973
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 2: you may win, we may win. And I was like, yeah,

974
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 2: it's not about fucking winning. He's innocent. And I've been

975
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 2: doing this a very long time in my career. I've

976
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 2: had four other cases where I represented people who were innocent.

977
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 2: I had prosecutors who were reasonable, and they looked at

978
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 2: it and he's like, damn, Ken, you're right, and they

979
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 2: backed off. This was the first time in my career

980
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 2: where I had to pick a jury with a kid

981
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: who is innocent, who can go to jail for twenty

982
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: five years. Damn. And it made you realize that there's

983
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 2: nothing in this system to protect innocent people. So I

984
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 2: wrote that I was on trial when I wrote that,

985
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 2: Fortunately he was acquitted. I will say after trial.

986
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: I say, if you in a thing, you shouldn't be

987
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: in jail.

988
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 2: I was, but that shit didn't feel good. I get

989
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 2: that and that that was what that was about without

990
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 2: me calling, but I will say, is the Queen's District

991
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: Attorney's office, Melenda Katz office. I'm not going to say

992
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,760
Speaker 2: the prosecutor, but we could.

993
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 12: Google it, but you can google it in the comments,

994
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 12: and it was it was really It shows you doing

995
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 12: the trial and made me think about all those books

996
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 12: that I've read and all those history and you look

997
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 12: at black people getting lynched in court.

998
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 2: Outside of court, you hear mobs running into grab the

999
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 2: black woman or man out of their house and drag

1000
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: them and administer their own mob style of justice. And

1001
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 2: it was very sad to see what it did to

1002
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 2: that kid and his family. Even though we got to

1003
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 2: quit it, it's still it was traumatic and and I

1004
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 2: didn't feel good. I was angry, and it was a

1005
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 2: lesson for me because you can't you know, usually most

1006
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 2: people like I don't think anger is a bad thing.

1007
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 2: I think anger can lead to solutions if you, if you,

1008
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 2: if you reflect right, if you, but it was just scary.

1009
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 2: I have skill sets in that court room, and I

1010
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 2: had to check myself because I was so angry that

1011
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 2: my anger could change the dynamics.

1012
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 3: I will say, and and to me to full circle

1013
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 3: this and base it on everyone's point of views here

1014
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 3: and in terms of ever seeing an equitable justice system right,

1015
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 3: the reason why I probably think that's a fallacy and

1016
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 3: probably never gonna happen is because of what happened just

1017
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 3: right here. It still ran and triggered and operated by people,

1018
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 3: and because we operate in the emotion, and because maybe

1019
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,240
Speaker 3: we have prosecutors.

1020
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: That want to win more than see someone and it's

1021
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: to be free.

1022
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 3: I think the reality of it is and this is

1023
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 3: where my mind works black and white. I'm very logical

1024
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 3: with things. I feel like knowing that is where we're fighting.

1025
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 3: It's a losing battle because it's based on emotions and

1026
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 3: because of the mental health or how someone was raised,

1027
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 3: or what their triggers are or what their thinking, it

1028
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 3: literally creates how we view.

1029
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, we can re educate, especially youth right in critical.

1030
00:54:55,560 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: Rights theopy from the schools now apart raduation.

1031
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 4: They're doing that now. But what I'm saying is you

1032
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 4: got to keep hope alive.

1033
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: Right.

1034
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 4: I think that if we continue to school the young

1035
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 4: people in our community and let them know what's right,

1036
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 4: what's history, who they are, then I feel like the

1037
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 4: future will be in their hands. And I think that,

1038
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 4: you know, why not stay optimistic, why not continue to

1039
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 4: fight the fight that our ancestors already started for us.

1040
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 5: We need to carry that man though.

1041
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 2: We we don't do one thing. We don't educate our children,

1042
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 2: and we don't educate.

1043
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: Our they educated.

1044
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 2: No, the school is a hub of the We have

1045
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 2: to educate our children. And I think that's the thing

1046
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: we lost in integration, and that's the thing that we

1047
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 2: lost in trying to be a part of America. And

1048
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 2: we need to be educating our kids. He said, bring

1049
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 2: back listen. I'm I'm I have a that's anomia segregation,

1050
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 2: and I think that's I don't want money from my oppressor.

1051
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 10: We got to give back the community. Yeah, yeah, we

1052
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 10: have to. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, we have to. That don't

1053
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 10: exist the ecosystems of commit we need to have from

1054
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 10: a micro level and do that.

1055
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 2: Though you can only change with truth, you cannot change

1056
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 2: anything without truth. And if you are unwilling to be

1057
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 2: held accountable or seek truth, it's smoking mirrors. And we

1058
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 2: got to get to that point. We're not at that

1059
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,959
Speaker 2: point yet. I'm not mad, We're not upset enough yet.

1060
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 2: We're just not We're too comfortable.

1061
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 5: We are too comfortable.

1062
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 4: And I've asked, I've asked myself that question. Am I

1063
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 4: willing to give up my career?

1064
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 2: My career, suicide.

1065
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 5: My my family, my status?

1066
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: You are taken from you from a black woman that

1067
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: want to take money from you because from a hard

1068
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: time you might.

1069
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 2: Have to be You gotta be able to commit what

1070
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 2: do you call it? So here we knew and talked

1071
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 2: about it. You have to really really be willing to

1072
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 2: commit class suicide, which most of us are unwilling to do.

1073
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 5: And that's that's their object.

1074
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,479
Speaker 4: But that's their objective, right, that's what they want.

1075
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 5: They want us to feel so comfortable and our little

1076
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 5: you know.

1077
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 13: Six figure second seventh figure incomes that we're making a

1078
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 13: year and driving this and Gucci da, and that we

1079
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 13: forget about the real issues, that we forget about the

1080
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 13: systemic issues, and that we're not really paying attention to

1081
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 13: how this is affecting our community.

1082
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 2: I thought capitalism ain't going to save us.

1083
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: No, No, I think well, I.

1084
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 3: Think the reality of it all and again, from a

1085
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 3: logical standpoint is we are all more individualistic than anything else,

1086
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 3: and so the idea of community and all of us

1087
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 3: coming together. There's a lot of people who only care

1088
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 3: about themselves and we are that.

1089
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 2: We just big headed animals, That's all I mean. I

1090
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 2: think my head is a little I do.

1091
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 3: I do want to leave on what a question for

1092
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 3: the listeners after hearing all of our perspectives, Now, what

1093
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 3: did you change your mind?

1094
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: Or are you going to cut the bullshit?

1095
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 3: I want to ask both of you if through this

1096
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 3: conversation y'all are leaning into changing your mind at all

1097
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 3: or are you leaning into.

1098
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: What you stand on? Ten toes down.

1099
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm even more affirmed in my beliefs.

1100
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Speaker 3: And you know what, after hearing you, I'm even more affirmed.

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Speaker 3: And when I'm for cow saying, y'all ain't stealing for me?

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I'm not excusing quote unquote people who steal.

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Speaker 4: I'm just trying to say that it's so dropping a

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Speaker 4: bucket right for Amazon or for the education education.

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Speaker 1: Y'all can come still for me.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm not saying I say, let's have a conversation,

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Speaker 4: let's talk about I'm saying, let's fix the real issues.

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Speaker 4: Right when we talked about white collar crime and just

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Speaker 4: again the criminality of whiteness, which we're not really addressing

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Speaker 4: because we're still.

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Speaker 5: We're too focused on Oh she stole some shit, going

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Speaker 5: like so what like, there's bigger issues.

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Speaker 2: I want to put myself out of business. I don't

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00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 2: want any crime in the black community, but I know

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Speaker 2: to do that. That's a dream that I have. But

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Speaker 2: I know I'm trying to work on practical things every today.

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Speaker 2: I spent four hours in course roads juvenile said jail

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Speaker 2: kicking in with these young people because I don't want it.

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Speaker 2: I don't want them to hire. But I don't think

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Speaker 2: I'm reflecting. I reflect about everything. I'm reflecting about what

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Speaker 2: I understand, why young sister like yourself believes that, and

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Speaker 2: why it's important to you. I understand. So I'm just

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Speaker 2: reflecting on it, and I'm gonna.

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Speaker 1: Keep Yeah, I really, I really enjoyed this conversation. For sure.

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Speaker 2: I still stand in my shit.

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Speaker 3: I do have a question for the listeners joining on

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Speaker 3: this conversation. After hearing all of our perspectives here, have

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Speaker 3: your thoughts on accountability in the justice system changed. Do

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Speaker 3: you believe accountability is just a smoke screen? Will it

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Speaker 3: ever become more equitable? And can you keep hope alive?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Not a tacond it back to two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 2: Oh Joe, that's Jesse Jackson.

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Speaker 3: Jesus, I mean I'm a millennial. You're taking to Jesse

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Speaker 3: jack and I take it to Obama.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: And for all of our listeners who really liked y'all's

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Speaker 3: point of views, where can they find more of your

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01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 3: thoughts and tweets and views and support you and keep

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Speaker 3: making you money for them to steal it?

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Speaker 4: You can follow me at miss Selina Hill on all platforms,

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Speaker 4: Instagram and TikTok and miss is spelled with an MS.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm off of Socialist right now, but if you

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Speaker 2: you can look at I don't. Instagram is kJ M

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Speaker 2: p LLC. I got a lot of ship, I say

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01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 2: on that I can't say shit any I'm going on

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Speaker 2: the silent retreat. Okay, Well, congratulation, no talking, no eye contact,

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Speaker 2: no physical contact, no no reading, no writing, no no phones,

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Speaker 2: no computers. Ten hours of meditation today. I'm off for ship.

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Speaker 2: So if you see me in the street, say what's up?

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Speaker 2: You get in trouble? Hopefully you won't, you know, look

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Speaker 2: me up. I love that.

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Speaker 3: I mean my I've I'm still on a long journey

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Speaker 3: to sobriety and and no sex and no dating and

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Speaker 3: yeah the first time.

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Speaker 1: How long did you just leave that far? I am

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Speaker 1: what am I in now? Within ninety days?

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Speaker 2: Physical?

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Speaker 1: Ninety days without a drink is a lot? Is that

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Speaker 1: physical contact? I mean, I mean it's been four months,

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Speaker 1: so no physical contact. No, I ain't kissing, I ain't slurping.

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Speaker 2: I just said years. Wait wait, she did face.

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Speaker 1: She was in the beginning, the beginning. Ain't you only

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Speaker 1: do it two weeks?

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Speaker 2: I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Two weeks. I'm going to be like, damn, you only

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01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: did two weeks. That ain't nothing. You just waited two weeks?

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Speaker 1: But that ain't you ship?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm very happy.

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Speaker 1: Thank you appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: By the time this episode comes out of my anyways,

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Speaker 3: I hope you enjoyed the conversation here. I don't yet

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Speaker 3: have a closer. We got to write it in and

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna make it fancy. But thank you guys for listening.

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Speaker 3: It's another episode of selective ignorance. Y'all could choose to

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Speaker 3: be ignorant, or you can choose to educate and elevate

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Speaker 3: the choices up to you until next time I will

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Speaker 3: see this.

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