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Speaker 2: our radio affiliates around the country. Gene Hackman passed away
Speaker 2: at the age of ninety five. He was living in
Speaker 2: New Mexico. I believe Santa Fe And when you think
Speaker 2: of Gene Hackman, at least when I think of Gene Hackman,
Speaker 2: I think of Normandale in the great sports movie Hoosiers.
Speaker 2: Actually it's a great movie. It's it's not just limited
Speaker 2: to a great sports movie. That's a and a lot
Speaker 2: of times when we think of a sportsman like Rudy
Speaker 2: is not a sports movie. Rudy is about the underdog
Speaker 2: who gets a chance. Hoosiers isn't a ketball movie, but
Speaker 2: it has basketball in it. It's about life in a
Speaker 2: small town. And I think sometimes we make the mistake
Speaker 2: of saying, oh, what a great sports movie. Bull Durham
Speaker 2: is not a baseball movie. It's really about a guy
Speaker 2: who's been sent to the miners. He's going to help.
Speaker 2: It's about relationships, and you know, but we use, you know,
Speaker 2: the focal point, the the centerpiece is sports. I think
Speaker 2: a lot a lot of times with these movies or
Speaker 2: we think of that, but it's really more than that.
Speaker 2: And Hoosiers was that. It was about relationships. And Gene
Speaker 2: Hackman was wonderful. And I spoke with, you know, the
Speaker 2: actor who played Jimmy Chitwood, Maris Volanus, and he had
Speaker 2: no acting experience, he wasn't even really a basketball player,
Speaker 2: but he played that role so well. And we'll bring
Speaker 2: back a portion of the interview I did with him
Speaker 2: a few years ago where he talked about all the
Speaker 2: actors well want to be actors, people who weren't even actors,
Speaker 2: who just went and auditioned and they got a chance
Speaker 2: to meet Gene Hackman, and the role that Hackman played
Speaker 2: for them getting ready to be actors in the movie Hoosiers.
Speaker 2: But he passed his way at the age of ninety five.
Speaker 2: Now there's other movies. I go back when he was
Speaker 2: Popeye Doyle the French Connection, and he had his little
Speaker 2: hat that he wore and he was going to catch
Speaker 2: he was going to catch that drug dealer from France
Speaker 2: and never did.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 7: Seaton a little more recent but one that I always
Speaker 7: forget about. But man was he great in The Royal Tenenbaumbs.
Speaker 2: Yes he was.
Speaker 7: That was a phenomenal role that was. That's a great movie.
Speaker 7: But man was he He was so good in that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were so many of those movies that I mean,
Speaker 2: that's that's quite a We talked to Kevin Costner years
Speaker 2: ago in New York and he talked about working with
Speaker 2: him on No Way Out movie and just talked about
Speaker 2: Costner saying I knew I had to up my game
Speaker 2: because I was going to be acting alongside Gene Hackman.
Speaker 2: But I still go back to the replacements with Keanu
Speaker 2: Reeves the quarterback, and I don't know, like, look, Paul
Speaker 2: Newman was in slap Shot, and that's what made Slap
Speaker 2: Shot even more brilliant, because Paul Newman, legendary actor, was
Speaker 2: willing to play this down and out minor league hockey
Speaker 2: coach and Gene Hackman in the replacements. Like I kept
Speaker 2: whenever I would see the movie, I go, how do
Speaker 2: they get Gene Hackman to me in the replacements? I mean,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's not a legendary, unbelievable, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: have you seen the replacements great sports movies of all time?
Speaker 2: That's not going to be in the category Alex on Jeopardy.
Speaker 2: But and Keanu Reeves, I think had done Speed. He
Speaker 2: had done the movie Speed and Matrix, so he had
Speaker 2: a little bit, you know, little bit of a resume.
Speaker 2: But Gene Hackman and all of a sudden, he's the
Speaker 2: coach and replacements and I go, okay, all right. Although
Speaker 2: Gene Hackman did think that his career could be over
Speaker 2: in Hoosiers, he acted alongside Dennis Hopper, and they did
Speaker 2: talk about it, you know, off screen, like this could
Speaker 2: be the end of our careers because of that. But
Speaker 2: Dennis Hopper legendary actor as well, plays the alcoholic father
Speaker 2: of one of the players in Hoosiers. But Gene Hackman
Speaker 2: aged ninety five and feels like everybody has their favorite.
Speaker 2: He was what Lex Luthor and Superman? Yeah, I never
Speaker 2: saw it, never saw the movie, didn't see the first one.
Speaker 2: I still haven't seen the first Star Wars, so I'll
Speaker 2: get around to it one of these days.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Pauline, there's a story I looked it up after
Speaker 8: you brought it up that Keanu Reeves was in the replacements.
Speaker 8: He was set to be in the replacements and they
Speaker 8: got interest from Gene Hackman and they were shocked. But
Speaker 8: he is pricey, So Keanu Reeves said, you can cut
Speaker 8: my salary if it gets Gene happened in the movie.
Speaker 8: I don't know if that's a true one. That's a
Speaker 8: legendary Hollywood story.
Speaker 2: Todd reach out to Keanu Reeves.
Speaker 7: We're on it.
Speaker 6: Did you see any of the Superman movies, by the way, with.
Speaker 9: General Zod and there was one with Richard Pryor and
Speaker 9: there's a bunch of them.
Speaker 2: No, none of the Superman.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: That was the note that I said earlier that I
Speaker 2: hadn't seen. I didn't see the first one.
Speaker 3: Thought maybe checked out one of the SEQUELSS.
Speaker 2: It would be odd to see two and three without
Speaker 2: seeing the first one, kind of standalone. And I'm not
Speaker 2: going to watch the original Rocky, but I'm going to
Speaker 2: watch three and four. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: Eton isn't it crazy?
Speaker 7: Speaking of the Superman movies that the first one, the
Speaker 7: first Superman was George Reeve, and then the next one
Speaker 7: was Christopher Reeves.
Speaker 2: Hm was that he was the that was the TV
Speaker 2: series George.
Speaker 7: Reeves, George Reeve, I think Christopher Reeves, I think so?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I.
Speaker 7: Say George Reeve was in the TV Showeorge Reeves has
Speaker 7: an S and then Christopher Reeve.
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh that's what is I have it backwards, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah he was. He was in the TV show.
Speaker 8: And we also just referenced Keanu Reeves. Oh, in the
Speaker 8: same segment dan Reeves was a consultant.
Speaker 3: What Dan Reeves was a consultant on the stupier member.
Speaker 2: You had to get that line out of here. I
Speaker 2: thank you. We didn't hear it the first time, but
Speaker 2: you know, yes, Paul.
Speaker 8: It is interesting that some movies give you a level
Speaker 8: of immortality. There might be better movies, bigger movies that
Speaker 8: Gene Hacken was in, but with sports movies, so those
Speaker 8: will be talked about on sports radio and TV forever.
Speaker 8: And Hoosiers is it really is the one seed and
Speaker 8: then it goes down from there? If you look at
Speaker 8: all those lists.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it depends. You know, people love Bull Durham,
Speaker 2: they love Rudy, those are usually the top ones. But
Speaker 2: uh I loved I loved Hoosiers because it's just small town.
Speaker 2: It's in Indiana. Uh I could relate to a little
Speaker 2: bit of it. The scenery is so underrated, you know
Speaker 2: when they do those bus trips, were going to their
Speaker 2: games and just the landscape that you had.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: Granted it's not exciting because it's a lot of cornfields
Speaker 2: and barns, but I could relate to it. So Geene
Speaker 2: Hackman passing away at the age of ninety five. Michael
Speaker 2: in Chicago, Hi, Mike, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 5: Good morning Dan, Good morning Dan Utts. Is what you
Speaker 5: guys missed on the pre show introduction. You've missed a
Speaker 5: couple of great movies that he did. One of the
Speaker 5: best ever think he did was The Unforgiven with Clint Eastwood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he was.
Speaker 5: He was unbelievable in that is the mean sheriff in
Speaker 5: the town of Big Whiskey, if you remember, and he
Speaker 5: was good in the firm he played.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, we couldn't do all of them, Michael, I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean the compliment is we couldn't get to all
Speaker 2: of that. But we are a sports show. That's why
Speaker 2: we brought up Hoosiers. But you're right, the Firm with
Speaker 2: Tom Cruise, he was very good in that. But U
Speaker 2: we've taken a trip down memory lane.
Speaker 8: We just sent margin Mississippi burning an apology.
Speaker 5: Go God.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to apologize to all the Hackman fans
Speaker 2: and of course mister Hackman rest in peace that if
Speaker 2: we didn't get all the movies mentioned where, we can't
Speaker 2: do the entire show on Gene Hackman. Let's see NFL
Speaker 2: considering overtime tweaks. We'll talk to Albert Breer about this,
Speaker 2: and maybe they're going to get rid of the chain gang.
Speaker 2: There's going to be a digital spotting of the football.
Speaker 2: So these are some of the things they're discussing at
Speaker 2: the combine. I've been saying all along about the digital
Speaker 2: spotting of the football. It is so random when you
Speaker 2: see the official grab the ball and put it down
Speaker 2: after somebody's made a catch or a run, and you're going,
Speaker 2: really there and it's just random, And I thought, can't
Speaker 2: we come up and we accept it. You're like like
Speaker 2: the Bills against the Chiefs and the playoffs. You're like, uh,
Speaker 2: I think he got it, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you go, he didn't get it.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: I do like the chain gang when they bring it
Speaker 2: out and then they stretch out the chain. I think
Speaker 2: we all like that. I don't know if we're gonna
Speaker 2: have that. Maybe you do a kind of a video
Speaker 2: component of that. If you're watching on TV, like.
Speaker 4: Loop loop bloop, bloop bloop.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, you see it's a
Speaker 2: first town and you get a you know whatever sound
Speaker 2: effect there are you.
Speaker 8: Saying, just recreate the digital marker and and have the
Speaker 8: same anticipation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, perfect, Just go gas price is right ish?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, that's what is that? Uh?
Speaker 9: That game of a mountain clown law dude, dude, it
Speaker 9: on the mountain climber guy and then he falls off
Speaker 9: the cliff.
Speaker 2: Oh I thought it was this one. You spin the
Speaker 2: big thing you spin. Yeah, yeah, it could be that too. Okay,
Speaker 2: put the showcase showdown.
Speaker 3: Ye try to get on that. You got to get
Speaker 3: close to it. You got two spins to get close
Speaker 3: to a dollar cliffhanger?
Speaker 2: Is that the name of the hell of a segment?
Speaker 2: We're gonna submit this for the Sports Emmy. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: this is this is how we lose it instead of
Speaker 2: this how we do it? Todd, This how we lose it.
Speaker 2: That's what you do. You Jordan and Patrick doestract. My
Speaker 2: Pistons won. The Pistons won again. They beat the celt
Speaker 2: You got to take them seriously. They're in the playoffs
Speaker 2: right now. I think they have the sixth best record
Speaker 2: in the East. They won eight in a row. It's
Speaker 2: a young team, fun team. Those are always the ones
Speaker 2: that make me nervous. You know, when you get to
Speaker 2: the playoffs, you got to play against the team may
Speaker 2: not know what the hell they're doing come playoff time.
Speaker 2: But sometimes they don't have pressure on them.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford, Tom Brady Ski buddies. Question mark, question mark,
Speaker 2: we'll have that story for you coming up. Another betting
Speaker 2: investigation the University of New Orleans basketball team. There's probably
Speaker 2: five or six open investigations into college basketball game fixing.
Speaker 2: They got to do away with prop bets said that
Speaker 2: last year. Got to do away with that because if
Speaker 2: you're a kid at the University of New Orleans, you're
Speaker 2: not getting an IO. Your team is terrible, and I'm
Speaker 2: just going to give you a hey, this might be
Speaker 2: something that played out. You're not going to the NBA.
Speaker 2: Who's going to notice we're New Orleans. We're not any good.
Speaker 2: We've won four games, so what you know, I miss
Speaker 2: a shot, you know the over under. We're playing University
Speaker 2: of Texas at Rio Grand. Nobody's going to know. Well,
Speaker 2: Vegas has to know. This is what Vegas does. They're
Speaker 2: the watchdogs because this is their business. And a lot
Speaker 2: of times you'll see these aren't big time programs because
Speaker 2: the big time programs they're getting taken care of. It's
Speaker 2: when you play at these smaller schools that maybe you
Speaker 2: have the temptation to go, you know what, be nice
Speaker 2: to get a couple of one hundred bucks, a thousand
Speaker 2: bucks here, whatever it is. There's a lot of investigations
Speaker 2: going on, open investigations in this I think there's been
Speaker 2: an open investigation into Temple basketball for a couple of
Speaker 2: years now, and there's going to be more. But get
Speaker 2: rid of prop bets for college athletes. Certainly. I don't
Speaker 2: think they'll do it with the pros, but at least
Speaker 2: the college athletes, because they can be they can be lured,
Speaker 2: they can be tempted because they don't have that money.
Speaker 2: You make it to the NBA, you're making money. College
Speaker 2: basketball not the case.
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Speaker 2: works other days as well. Don't want you to think
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Speaker 2: us from the combine in Indianapolis. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2: Let me start with tweaking overtime. What the NFL is proposing.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so they want to formalize or at least look
Speaker 9: at formalizing the rules.
Speaker 3: So it's the same from the regular season.
Speaker 9: To to the postseason, and as you know, you know, Dan,
Speaker 9: what they did amend the rule in the postseason after
Speaker 9: you know, the Super Bowl a few years back, was
Speaker 9: to ensure that both teams would have a chance to
Speaker 9: have the ball in overtime. And you know, whether or
Speaker 9: not they go to that or tweak it further, I know,
Speaker 9: you know, TROYA. Vincent had talked about reimagining the whole
Speaker 9: thing altogether. I don't think we'll go to, like, you know,
Speaker 9: a college version of overtime. I do think they want
Speaker 9: to maintain some of the elements of a normal game
Speaker 9: flow that you have in the way that overtime has
Speaker 9: been played in the NFL forever.
Speaker 3: But you know, I think that the general idea is.
Speaker 9: To come up with a solution that would work for
Speaker 9: both the season and the postseason.
Speaker 2: The Brady Matthew Stafford's story of skiing together in Montana, like,
Speaker 2: do you have the real story of this, because there
Speaker 2: seems to be conflicting stories of this was something that
Speaker 2: was planned, and then there's another story that says that
Speaker 2: it was random that they ran into each other in Montana.
Speaker 9: I mean, I can say that that is and you
Speaker 9: may be familiar with the place, but that's a pretty
Speaker 9: high end club in Montana that people on that level,
Speaker 9: that level of celebrity are at and and spend time at,
Speaker 9: and so the idea that they would unintentionally run into
Speaker 9: each other is not far fetched. I don't know exactly
Speaker 9: how that happened. I don't think that I'm not you know, I.
Speaker 3: Don't know for sure.
Speaker 9: I haven't dunk into it quite as much yet, but
Speaker 9: I don't think. I don't know that Brady invited Matthew
Speaker 9: Stafford there. Matthew Stafford, I know, had been there in
Speaker 9: the past, and so again, not that unusual that it
Speaker 9: would happen. But I do think it shows how Brady
Speaker 9: is really a part of what the Raiders are doing now.
Speaker 3: And Brady, you know, is an.
Speaker 9: Intgrale part of their of their interview process of convincing
Speaker 9: head coaching and general manager candidates that it was a
Speaker 9: better job than it has been in recent years and
Speaker 9: that and then ultimately, you know, they wind up hiring
Speaker 9: two guys that Brady's got a relationship with, Pete Carroll
Speaker 9: of course, who he competed against for me all those years,
Speaker 9: and and John spyt Tech, who he became pretty close
Speaker 9: with over the three years they spent together in Tampa.
Speaker 9: So I think the Raiders are serious, a serious suitor
Speaker 9: for for Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 2: But this wasn't tampering that if Brady.
Speaker 9: Staffords permission Okay, okay, yeah, I mean Stafford ad permission now.
Speaker 9: And Stafford's had permission DAN for over three weeks now,
Speaker 9: like Stafford got permission to speak with other teams starting
Speaker 9: during Super Bowl Week, So I believe.
Speaker 3: It's either right at three weeks.
Speaker 9: Or just over three weeks that he's had permission to
Speaker 9: go out and speak to other teams.
Speaker 2: What is the market for Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 9: More than the Rams want to pay right now? I
Speaker 9: think is the best way to describe that.
Speaker 3: For those who don't know. He's on the books for
Speaker 3: twenty seven million dollars in.
Speaker 9: Cash in twenty twenty five, and that number was lowered
Speaker 9: by four million dollars because they borrowed that four million
Speaker 9: and another million from twenty.
Speaker 3: T twenty six to give him a five million dollar
Speaker 3: raise in.
Speaker 9: Twenty twenty four, which isn't a raise at all if
Speaker 9: you're just borrowing from one year and giving it to
Speaker 9: the and putting it in another which is why I
Speaker 9: think everybody knew when they made that contract adjustment after
Speaker 9: a really tough six month negotiation, that they were going.
Speaker 3: To be back at the table again.
Speaker 9: And the way Stafford's looking at it is the quarterback
Speaker 9: market has materially changed. There are nine quarterbacks making over
Speaker 9: fifty million dollars a year, and his deal at forty
Speaker 9: million per is fifty percent below the top of the market,
Speaker 9: which is Dak Prescott at sixty million. So the Rams
Speaker 9: basically said to Matthew, all right, like, well, if you
Speaker 9: go out and see what the market is and go
Speaker 9: out and see what you can get.
Speaker 3: And I don't think they use the word trade specifically with.
Speaker 9: Him, but once you kind of let him out of
Speaker 9: the building and let him go do that, to go
Speaker 9: and see his work, there's some risk involved. And the
Speaker 9: risk is that the way he sees his his.
Speaker 3: Worth is going to be matched with the way other
Speaker 3: teams see his worth. Even it's thirty seven years old.
Speaker 3: And that's what happened.
Speaker 9: Matthew found teams plural that we're willing to go to
Speaker 9: a number that was commensurate with where the market is
Speaker 9: at the position. And so how do you put that
Speaker 9: tooth paste back in the tube. Now, if you're the Rams,
Speaker 9: who I mean? Mcphae still really likes Matthew's a good relationship.
Speaker 3: Matthew really likes living in southern California.
Speaker 9: But the reality is they told him he was worth
Speaker 9: They felt like he was worth X. He felt like
Speaker 9: he was worth Why then he goes to the market
Speaker 9: proves he's worthwhy?
Speaker 3: So, now, how do you reel that all back in?
Speaker 9: If you're the team, it's not an easy thing to do.
Speaker 2: The Rams wouldn't they learn from what happened with sakuon
Speaker 2: Barkley with the Giants, where you say, go out there,
Speaker 2: see if anybody wants to pay you that kind of money.
Speaker 2: Oh wait a minute, wait, you're leaving. Granted, you know
Speaker 2: staff it is thirty six, thirty seven years of age,
Speaker 2: but it feels But I'm always interested when I are curious,
Speaker 2: when I hear an analyst go, you know, he wants
Speaker 2: to go to a place where he can win. Well,
Speaker 2: the Rams that that's a team that can win now,
Speaker 2: and they did win now, and they almost went to
Speaker 2: the NFC title game. You got pook, you got a
Speaker 2: great young defense, you got Pokinakua, you got Williams is
Speaker 2: your running back. I don't know, just feels like pay
Speaker 2: him the money if you want to try to make
Speaker 2: another run at the super Bowl, giving two years one
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars.
Speaker 9: I agree, But I think part of this is timelines too, right,
Speaker 9: Like does the RAMS timeline match up with Matthew Stafford's
Speaker 9: which Matthew Stafford's timeline is to win right now and
Speaker 9: to go all in right now to win right now, and.
Speaker 2: You don't think the RAMS timeline is to win right now.
Speaker 9: But yeah, but here, okay, So like let's say you're
Speaker 9: the RAMS and Matthew Stafford is going year to year now,
Speaker 9: and you've dealt with at a really difficult negotiation. Now
Speaker 9: you want to see you're you're you're in this spot
Speaker 9: where you're being asked to set another contractual precedent that
Speaker 9: maybe could be a problem for you down the line,
Speaker 9: and you're looking at the market and you're saying, well,
Speaker 9: can we get Aaron Rodgers for a lot less than
Speaker 9: that and bring back the assets that would come to
Speaker 9: Matthew Stafford deal? I mean, I know McVeigh really likes
Speaker 9: Jimmy Garoppolo. That's going to sound crazy to some people.
Speaker 9: But I think he believes he can win with Jimmy Garoppolos.
Speaker 9: So I think for the Rams, part of this is
Speaker 9: our timeline may not match up completely with Matthew's timeline.
Speaker 9: We've got a team here that we think can win
Speaker 9: for the next five or six years. We're gonna have
Speaker 9: a lot of big contracts coming down the pike. And
Speaker 9: you know, if we're in a year to year situation
Speaker 9: with Matthew Stafford, that's a pretty tough place to be
Speaker 9: based on what we would what we what we might
Speaker 9: need to spend to keep him. And so so that's
Speaker 9: when you start to look at some of the alternatives.
Speaker 3: Like, again, what if be Aaron Rodgers on a cheaper deal.
Speaker 9: Now you got more cash to spend this offseason to
Speaker 9: surround Aaron Rodgers, and then you get the assets, whether
Speaker 9: it's a first round pick, second round pick, whatever it is,
Speaker 9: you get the assets coming back to us too. So
Speaker 9: it's interesting from that perspective, and I mean, shoot, it's
Speaker 9: I mean think about like if the Giants were to
Speaker 9: get him.
Speaker 3: Now you have Andrew Thomas coming back at left tackle.
Speaker 9: You have Malite Neighbors as your number one receiver, you
Speaker 9: have Tracy coming back as a young back. Maybe Cooper
Speaker 9: Cup winds up there, maybe Travis Hunter winds up there.
Speaker 9: Like that team I think could become a contender pretty fast.
Speaker 2: He's Albert Breer, the Monday Morning Quarterback senior NFL reporter.
Speaker 2: The digital spotting of the football, I like it. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's a done deal. I'm always curious
Speaker 2: when I watch a game, how random it sometimes seems
Speaker 2: when the official spots the ball. Yeah, do you think
Speaker 2: we're how far down the line do you think we
Speaker 2: are with the digital part of spotting of football.
Speaker 3: I think we're getting closer, you know.
Speaker 9: I this is something that they're not going to just,
Speaker 9: you know, do all in one fell swoop.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 9: I think there's going to be some experimentation, and I
Speaker 9: don't think they want to be completely reliant on technology
Speaker 9: that maybe they haven't been able to do wholesale checks
Speaker 9: and all that different stuff with. But I think it's coming,
Speaker 9: you know, and I think it makes sense. You know,
Speaker 9: It's I always sort of think of like the tennis matches,
Speaker 9: right where how long have they had they had that tech?
Speaker 9: That technology at Wimbledon, the US Open, wherever? You know,
Speaker 9: where they got the ball and you can see where
Speaker 9: the ball hit. You know, like, how long have they
Speaker 9: they had that dan a.
Speaker 2: Decade maybe longer, right, they've had it for so But
Speaker 2: you don't have a lot of tennis players in the
Speaker 2: way of seeing where the ball hits or where it
Speaker 2: goes out where the NFL there's a lot of confusion
Speaker 2: going on with tennis. It's a player, is the ball
Speaker 2: in or out? You know, you don't have a lot
Speaker 2: of bodies blocking that.
Speaker 9: And I agree that the technology is more it's more
Speaker 9: complicated in football because.
Speaker 3: Like you said, the amount of bodies out there.
Speaker 9: But I mean, if it's been over a decade that
Speaker 9: they've had that in tennis, then wouldn't it stand to
Speaker 9: reason that they've made enough advances to make it.
Speaker 2: On a well baseball. Baseball's going to implement this. The
Speaker 2: question is not if, but when. I just and maybe
Speaker 2: you keep the chain gang as a backup in case
Speaker 2: the technology goes down during the game. But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm all for it just because I've seen how random
Speaker 2: the spotting of the football is.
Speaker 9: It does feel that way, doesn't it, like when you
Speaker 9: see a guy under a pile. I mean, there are
Speaker 9: definitely times for me where I'm wondering, how the hell
Speaker 9: does you know where to spot that?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like there aren't those and
Speaker 3: so it would I think to some degree.
Speaker 2: Solve that help me understand. The NFL Players Association gives
Speaker 2: team grades, so the players vote on things from is
Speaker 2: your team friendly to the families of the football players?
Speaker 2: The food, nutrition, weight room? Does does anything happen? I
Speaker 2: saw the Jacksonville Jaguars. Their grade for treating families of
Speaker 2: football players was an F like an F like, I
Speaker 2: don't know what the treatment is, but how do you
Speaker 2: Does anything change with this? I think the Kansas City
Speaker 2: Chiefs got like that.
Speaker 3: They like they're grounding some of these kids or something
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know, given timeouts or bad seats or whatever,
Speaker 2: not preferential parking. But does anything change when the players
Speaker 2: vote and it's an anonymous vote on your team.
Speaker 9: Yeah they I mean it actually has worked. And you know,
Speaker 9: I think we all like gravitate to the low hanging fruit.
Speaker 9: I don't know if you remember, but there was like
Speaker 9: a I can't remember what team it was, but there's.
Speaker 3: A rat problem with one of the teams.
Speaker 2: I think Chiefs had not somebody who was ratting things out.
Speaker 9: It was I think the chiefs had like folding chairs
Speaker 9: in their locker room instead of real shares.
Speaker 2: But that's when you're supposed to win. Then you take
Speaker 2: care of your players. That's proof that you win. And
Speaker 2: all you do is keep the money. You didn't upgrade
Speaker 2: your Was it.
Speaker 9: The Cardinals that were like, if you were staying late
Speaker 9: at the facility as a player, they were charging you
Speaker 9: for dinner, Like I don't know, Like, but here's the thing.
Speaker 9: It's like some of this stuff is ridiculous, and I
Speaker 9: do think like making a public has shamed some owners into.
Speaker 3: Making changes, you know what I mean, Like and maybe.
Speaker 9: That's the wrong word, but but I think part of
Speaker 9: it has been. I mean, look, here's the deal.
Speaker 3: So these guys.
Speaker 9: Come from major college programs, most of them do, where
Speaker 9: they're in these.
Speaker 3: Facilities that are palaces, and everything is.
Speaker 9: Done to make them feel like the most important people
Speaker 9: on campus.
Speaker 3: And it has to be that way because.
Speaker 9: In college, you're recruiting kids and you need to entice
Speaker 9: them to pick your school over another one. And now
Speaker 9: in the era of the transfer portal, you know, you
Speaker 9: have to convince the guy that he should stay when
Speaker 9: he can up and leave whenever he wants.
Speaker 3: The NFL has never had to do that, you know.
Speaker 9: So I got a lot of cases like these guys
Speaker 9: go from big time college programs, They'll walk into the
Speaker 9: NFL and their NFL facility will be way worse than
Speaker 9: what they were than their workplace in college. And there's
Speaker 9: really with the amount of money the NFL makes, there's
Speaker 9: no reason for it to be that way. I mean,
Speaker 9: these are supposed to be finely tuned athletes that are,
Speaker 9: you know, measuring everything that goes into their body and
Speaker 9: spending every waking moment trying to put them and position
Speaker 9: to play at the highest level on Sunday, and so, like,
Speaker 9: I think there was this feeling among NFL players in general,
Speaker 9: based on what a lot of those guys had as
Speaker 9: college players, that NFL teams were falling way, way, way
Speaker 9: short of where they should be. And I think there
Speaker 9: had been complaints in the past, and they'd fallen on
Speaker 9: deaf ears, so you know, they go public and I
Speaker 9: don't think it's a coincidence that a lot of these
Speaker 9: things improved. I mean, the Patriots who've gotten killed the
Speaker 9: last couple of years in this are opening a new facility.
Speaker 9: I think in part because of the bad pr they've taken.
Speaker 9: You know, the chiefs replace those chairs. The Cardinals don't
Speaker 9: charge for dinner anymore, which I you know, I don't
Speaker 9: think anybody charges for dinner anymore, which is like a
Speaker 9: good thing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 9: It's funny that somebody did in the first place, but
Speaker 9: it took care of the problem in the back end,
Speaker 9: you know. So I think that's the idea here, and
Speaker 9: I do think to some degree it's working. Maybe not
Speaker 9: with everybody, but I'd say the great majority of owners
Speaker 9: who've been publicly embarrassed by these report cards over the
Speaker 9: last three years have have done something about it on
Speaker 9: the back end.
Speaker 2: Mel Kiper in his latest mock draft has Abdul Carter
Speaker 2: Penn steak goal number one now comes word that could
Speaker 2: need surgery. I know he had a bad shoulder. Now
Speaker 2: they're talking about foot surgery here.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 9: So, like I I think he's gonna be okay now,
Speaker 9: and I don't think it's going to affect his draft stock. Like,
Speaker 9: I still think he's likely. He's probably the leader in
Speaker 9: the clubhouse to be the number one overall pick. I
Speaker 9: think a lot of people would tell you he's the
Speaker 9: best player in the draft. The easiest translation in the draft.
Speaker 9: I would say Travis hunder might be the best player.
Speaker 9: But this is the guy who you look at him
Speaker 9: and you know exactly what he's going to be in
Speaker 9: the pros. But you know, it's a foot and those
Speaker 9: can be problematic, like what is I think his foot,
Speaker 9: back and hamstring, right, are the ones that, like you
Speaker 9: just you have to be yeah, yeah, yeah, you have
Speaker 9: to you know, do your diligence on it, have your
Speaker 9: doctors look at it, and then if.
Speaker 3: You draft him, something something you have to keep an
Speaker 3: eye on.
Speaker 9: So I don't think it'll affect his draft stock. But
Speaker 9: I don't want to tell you that, you know, a
Speaker 9: foot injury, you know, at a young age for an
Speaker 9: athlete like this is nothing, It's not nothing.
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. I know you got a busy schedule,
Speaker 2: so we appreciate you carbon out some time. Thank you. Albert.
Speaker 2: That's Albert Breer, the Monday Morning quarterback senior NFL reporter.
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Speaker 2: Dean Blandino Fox Sports, NFL college football rules analyst and
Speaker 2: former NFL MVP of Officiating joining us from the combine.
Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again, Dean. What do you
Speaker 2: want to chew up? First?
Speaker 4: Let so whatever you got. I love that you called
Speaker 4: me the MVP of officiating. That's I love that title.
Speaker 2: I love that and you should be you know the
Speaker 2: heck with Mike Pereira. It's you, that's right, that's right. Okay,
Speaker 2: help me understand the technology of spotting the football or
Speaker 2: first down, like, where where are we headed and when
Speaker 2: will we get there?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: So, I think short term, what the league is going
Speaker 6: to do, I think for the regular season in twenty
Speaker 6: twenty five is the officials will still spot the football,
Speaker 6: but instead of bringing out the chain gang, they're going
Speaker 6: to use this optic tracking and these these cameras that
Speaker 6: are positioned around the around the stadium to tell you
Speaker 6: exactly where the ball is in relation.
Speaker 4: To the line of game.
Speaker 6: So instead of stretching out the chains, you'll have this
Speaker 6: graphic pop up and it'll say the ball is six
Speaker 6: inches short or the ball made the line of game.
Speaker 4: I think that's the short term.
Speaker 6: Long term, I think we're going to use some of
Speaker 6: this this tracking technology where they'll eventually be able to
Speaker 6: use that tech to actually spot the football, to say,
Speaker 6: here's where the ball was, when when the knee was down,
Speaker 6: or when the runners progress was stopped. I don't think
Speaker 6: we're going to be there in the next two to
Speaker 6: three years, but I think eventually we may see that
Speaker 6: at some point.
Speaker 2: Well, I think we all love when the chain gang
Speaker 2: comes out, so I do, like, I love it. I
Speaker 2: think they got this reversed. They should be trying to
Speaker 2: spot the football. It is so random at times and
Speaker 2: it's unscientific. And the chain gang, these are just guys
Speaker 2: holding the chain. We want them coming out. You stretch
Speaker 2: out the chain. That's good TV Dean.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 6: I agree with you one hundred percent in that you
Speaker 6: know the chan It's it's dramatic, right, It's that how
Speaker 6: you watch the game and is it going to be
Speaker 6: a first down? And then we've got these guys that
Speaker 6: run out and this is their moment in the sun.
Speaker 6: I love the chain Gang, but I don't think the technology,
Speaker 6: like I said, is there yet to spot the football.
Speaker 4: But you know, I guess we don't. You know, there's
Speaker 4: not a lot of chain Gang enthusiasts.
Speaker 2: Also the Toush push. It feels like I'm obligated to
Speaker 2: ask you about this. From from an officiating standpoint, what
Speaker 2: concerns you about this play?
Speaker 6: Well, from an officiating standpoint, it's just a it's it's
Speaker 6: an almost impossible play to officiate as to where the
Speaker 6: ball is when in relation to the goal line, because
Speaker 6: you have all these bodies creating this mass and you're
Speaker 6: trying to figure out where the ball is. You think
Speaker 6: about the Josh Allen play in the AFC Championship game.
Speaker 6: You have two officials coming into two different spots. So
Speaker 6: I think from an officiating standpoint, it's just a difficult
Speaker 6: play to discern.
Speaker 4: Where the ball is.
Speaker 9: That's it.
Speaker 4: I don't think they'll change it.
Speaker 6: I think with the Eagles winning the Super Bowl, I
Speaker 6: think some some clubs will say, well, it's going to
Speaker 6: feel like sour.
Speaker 4: Grapes if we voted, if we voted out.
Speaker 6: But a personally, I don't love the play, but but
Speaker 6: it is what it is at this point.
Speaker 2: Okay, But take me back to two thousand and five
Speaker 2: when the NFL said it's okay to push the ball carrier. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I you.
Speaker 6: Know, And I was there when that rule had been
Speaker 6: on the books forever and it was illegal to aid
Speaker 6: the runner sister runner and push, and the officials just
Speaker 6: didn't call it. They just didn't. They felt it was difficult.
Speaker 6: We just didn't see flags. So they felt, Okay, if
Speaker 6: we have a rule in the book that isn't being officiated,
Speaker 6: let's take it out now. It took, however, many years
Speaker 6: for this push push to really gain traction, but it
Speaker 6: was illegal forever prior to two thousand and six, and
Speaker 6: I think it would be an easy fix.
Speaker 4: I think there's a safety element to it, you know.
Speaker 6: I mean, I know the league came out and said
Speaker 6: there's no there's no injury data on the play.
Speaker 4: But look at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6: I mean, Chris Jones was was was banged up on
Speaker 6: the play. You've had several egos. Offensive linemen have said
Speaker 6: it's a it's a tough play to execute. So we'll see,
Speaker 6: We'll see how it goes. But I'm just not sure
Speaker 6: why we keep it in.
Speaker 2: Well, the Eagles will tell you that their linement are
Speaker 2: more susceptible to an injury than the defense is with
Speaker 2: that play.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and that's a concern that is a real concern,
Speaker 6: and I just it's an unfair play too when you
Speaker 6: think about think about the defense if they if they
Speaker 6: stack up the runner at the at the line of
Speaker 6: scrimmage and drive him ten yards back.
Speaker 4: The offense isn't going to.
Speaker 6: Lose those ten yards, right, You're going to get forward
Speaker 6: progress and come back to the line of scrimmage. But
Speaker 6: we allow the offense to push runners down the field
Speaker 6: and gain that advantage.
Speaker 4: So I just think it's unfair.
Speaker 6: Look, the Eagles have done a great job with it,
Speaker 6: and I wouldn't say we have to take it out
Speaker 6: just because one team is successful, but I do think
Speaker 6: there's other elements there.
Speaker 2: The kickoff. They seem to be toying with this again. Yeah,
Speaker 2: do you think there's any modifications to the kickoff rule.
Speaker 6: I do think that they'll probably move the touch back
Speaker 6: to the thirty five when you just kick it through.
Speaker 3: The end zone.
Speaker 6: I do think that the two options for this year
Speaker 6: will probably move the kicker back five yards or move
Speaker 6: the touch back up five yards. And again, I think
Speaker 6: they were happy with how the play went. You went
Speaker 6: from twenty two percent, which was was an all time
Speaker 6: low in terms of returns, to thirty thirty two to
Speaker 6: thirty three percent, which was better. I think they wanted
Speaker 6: to look at the injury data, and the injury data
Speaker 6: says the play wasn't more dangerous. So I think now
Speaker 6: they're going to look to increase the number of returns.
Speaker 6: So probably one of those two things, either the touch
Speaker 6: back to the thirty five or the kicker back to
Speaker 6: the thirty and we'll see where it goes from there.
Speaker 2: Dean Blandino, Fox Sports, NFL college football rules analyst and
Speaker 2: former NFL MVP of officiating. Could you see anything with
Speaker 2: tweaking field goals with I mean, they've gotten so, you know,
Speaker 2: proficient with this, and the NFL doesn't like predictability. It's
Speaker 2: like the extra point. That's why they moved it back
Speaker 2: because it was predictable. Do you see anything in the
Speaker 2: future where the NFL would change anything with field goals.
Speaker 4: I think there could be.
Speaker 6: I don't think it's going to happen this offseason, but
Speaker 6: when you look at the evolution of the kickers, it's
Speaker 6: been incredible. Right now, we're eighty six percent on all
Speaker 6: field goals, setting records for this year, we had the
Speaker 6: most field goals per game. I think it was almost
Speaker 6: three and a half field goals per game, which was
Speaker 6: the most ever. The kickers are so good and from
Speaker 6: really any distance, we're seeing sixty yarders like they were
Speaker 6: thirty yards thirty yards twenty years ago. So yeah, you know,
Speaker 6: what could you do?
Speaker 4: I mean we experimented.
Speaker 6: I remember being at the Pro Bowl with the kickers
Speaker 6: and moving the uprights closer.
Speaker 4: You could do that.
Speaker 6: You could do some other things because these kickers. Like
Speaker 6: you said, the NFL doesn't love predictability. I think they
Speaker 6: like it when teams go for it. You want to
Speaker 6: see more touchdowns, So I think that's something in the
Speaker 6: near future we could say, because.
Speaker 2: They're all about, you know, content, like what looks great esthetically?
Speaker 2: What looks if you had a moment where you went
Speaker 2: to the fifty yard line and the goal post all
Speaker 2: of a sudden moved in and got a little tighter.
Speaker 2: It's just like we're talking about with the chain gang.
Speaker 2: We love that. Now if you do it digitally and
Speaker 2: you give some drama to that, we love that stuff.
Speaker 2: I was talking about pylon Cam five years before they
Speaker 2: even implemented it. It's like, you you have the visual
Speaker 2: aesthetics to always think about, but imagine if the goal
Speaker 2: post just went in each five yards or ten yards,
Speaker 2: it went in x number, yes, x number of inches
Speaker 2: in Yeah, I mean that.
Speaker 6: Look, these are all like things that you think outside
Speaker 6: the box that would make it.
Speaker 4: You know, you would, you would.
Speaker 6: As you got closer, it became a harder field goal
Speaker 6: as the uprights came in. You know, you have to
Speaker 6: figure out the how to do that with the uprights
Speaker 6: and the and the goal posts and everything else.
Speaker 4: We'll we'll see, but I do think that's something.
Speaker 6: The league will look at because again, these kickers are
Speaker 6: so good today and they're not going to get worse.
Speaker 4: They're only going to get better.
Speaker 2: What's the wildest rule suggestion that you ever heard?
Speaker 6: The wildest you know we've had, you know, thinking about
Speaker 6: field goals there, you know, if if the kicker can
Speaker 6: hit an upright, that's worth four points.
Speaker 4: You know, so so now you know the doint, the
Speaker 4: doink would be a good thing.
Speaker 6: You know, there's there's been quite a few of of.
Speaker 2: But you have to make the field goal when you
Speaker 2: doink it right.
Speaker 4: That could be it. Yeah, you could.
Speaker 6: You have to actually hit the upright and go in.
Speaker 6: You know, there there's variations of that.
Speaker 4: That we can play with I think the league.
Speaker 6: Has done a good job of not getting gimmicky, you know,
Speaker 6: with with some of the rules changes, you want to
Speaker 6: maintain that integrity and the foundation of the game.
Speaker 4: And and uh, but there have been some interesting ones
Speaker 4: over the years.
Speaker 2: Is the official Is it up to the official to
Speaker 2: tailor his shirt the way he wants to?
Speaker 6: Yeah, we we you know that happened. You know, we
Speaker 6: remember ed Hockey Lee and he was really the godfather
Speaker 6: of the sh medium and uh and and so we
Speaker 6: you know, the officials get their uniforms. We we would
Speaker 6: provide them with a tailor at our officiating clinic, but
Speaker 6: then inevitably they would go to their own their own
Speaker 6: folks and.
Speaker 3: And maybe you know this, leave this.
Speaker 6: You know, I've been I feel good about my off
Speaker 6: season arm workouts, and I want to I want to
Speaker 6: show it off.
Speaker 5: A little bit.
Speaker 2: Uh, have fun there in Indianapolis, schmoozing, I'm guessing has
Speaker 2: that with a lot of schmoozing.
Speaker 6: But heading home later today, so we'll we'll head home.
Speaker 6: But it's been a good week here.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Dean. Thanks Dan. That's Dean Blandino, Fox Sports,
Speaker 2: NFL college football rules analyst, former VP of officiating,