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Speaker 1: There are thirty two teams in the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: Seventeen NFL games are played in an eighteen week season,

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Speaker 1: and as we are recording this podcast, week eight is

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Speaker 1: just about in the books. But per usual, we have

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Speaker 1: interesting storylines from the season. Brown's quarterback Deshaun Watson ruptured

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Speaker 1: York Jets fired their coach, Robert Sala because their quarterback

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers made it clear that he wanted nothing to

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Speaker 1: problem with the Jets. Rogers, in fact, could actually be

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Speaker 1: the issue. But let me focus on the task at hand.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at

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Speaker 1: the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose revealed

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Speaker 1: the common threads that bind them all.

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Speaker 2: So what's happening in women's basketball right now is what

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Speaker 2: we've been trying.

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Speaker 3: To get to for almost thirty years.

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Speaker 1: From the stadiums where athletes break barriers and set records.

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Speaker 3: Kaitlin Clark broke the all time single game assists record.

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Speaker 3: This is crazy for rookies to be doing.

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Speaker 2: To the polls where history is written, and now we

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Speaker 2: have Kamala Harrison, it feels more like women are sort

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Speaker 2: of taking what they've always deserved as opposed to waiting

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Speaker 1: Our discussions will uncover the vital connections between these realms

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Speaker 1: and the community we create. And each episode we'll sit

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Speaker 1: down with athletes, political analysts, and culture critics because at

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Speaker 1: the core of it all, how we see one issue

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Speaker 1: shines the light on all others. Welcome to Naked Sports.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, carry champion. Every season, every week, every game,

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Speaker 1: there is something new to report. But then there are

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Speaker 1: some storylines to me that never change. And to the

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Speaker 1: owner of America's team, the Dallas Cowboy.

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Speaker 4: Well, I will let us sit down and look at

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Speaker 4: the decisions we've made over the last several years. Okay,

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Speaker 4: I'll look at it now. If you think I'm interested

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Speaker 4: on a phone call with you over the radio and

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Speaker 4: sitting here and throwing all the good app with the dishwater,

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Speaker 1: Eighty two year old Jerry Jones, owner, president and general

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Speaker 1: manager of the Dallas Cowboys, handing a local radio reporter

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Speaker 3: I'm Master Spotsian, I am a sports journalist, on your host, producer, anchor.

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Speaker 3: I do it all. Anything within the sports rooms that

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Speaker 5: I asked Master Dion.

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Speaker 1: Because every year, before the season begins and when the

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Speaker 1: season is in full swing, a significant amount of attention

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Speaker 1: is always placed on a team that has been mediocre

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Speaker 1: I'm really curious as a Cowboys fan and also as

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Speaker 3: Listen, I grew up in Dallas, so the fascination is

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Speaker 3: big reason behind that is Jerry Jones and what he

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Speaker 3: And we talk about again, we didn't give the name

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Speaker 1: So it was a horrible loss home loss this past week,

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Speaker 3: The question that was asked Jerry Jones I also had

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Speaker 3: But there are specific areas which the Cowboys should have

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Speaker 3: The other issue was, of course, the running back situation.

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Speaker 3: They brought back Ezekiel Elliott, they got Dalvin Cook on

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Speaker 1: You just talked about several consistent issues that they've had

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Speaker 3: Has been the problems with the Cowboys, and Jimmy Johnson

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Speaker 3: Jerry Jones again, it just it's frustrating as a Cowboys fan.

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Speaker 3: That same press conference introducing Mike McCarthy, i' McCarthy essentially

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Speaker 3: What would you say, I can't argue against it. I

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Speaker 1: When Naked Sports returns, we meet at the intersection of

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Speaker 3: Obviously all your friends are using this is like bait

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Speaker 1: Why, though, why is that? Is it because he has

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Speaker 5: Why?

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Speaker 1: Why is he exonerated of behavior that others probably would

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's there's a level of charm that Jerry

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, all right, folks. So this is when I

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Speaker 1: But to Master T's point, there's something about Jerry Jones.

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Speaker 5: I'd want to be rude.

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Speaker 4: I did have.

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Speaker 1: You're right, and I want to call myself on the carpet.

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right about the charm that he has. True story.

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Speaker 1: I went to Mister Child Mister Child in LA and

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely correct, but this is when you are right.

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Speaker 5: But would you have eaten that taco after he licked

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 1: say I've already told him, we already.

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Speaker 5: Said we ate duck.

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Speaker 3: I eat duck, but I ain't your saliva.

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Speaker 1: Okay, However, would you have said that, you wouldn't have

439
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Speaker 1: said that you've been a gagster right now?

440
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Speaker 5: You wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, I don't know what that's

442
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Speaker 3: saying that situation. It would be tough. I'm not gonna

443
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Speaker 3: it would be tough.

444
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Speaker 5: So what do you How do you just say?

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Speaker 6: No?

446
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Speaker 5: Thanks?

447
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 3: I don't know, because you did say you were hungry already. Yeah,

448
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 3: it's a tough spot. It's a tough spot. I'm not

449
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Speaker 3: I'm not disagreeing with you. I literally said, it's easy

450
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Speaker 3: for me to say it here in this confinements of

451
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Speaker 3: my comfortable house. Then like Chilian, Jerry, because you know

452
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Speaker 3: again I said with something, Jerry.

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Speaker 5: And then like you know, he's a nice guy, Like

454
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Speaker 5: he's he really is affable.

455
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Speaker 3: He's a nice guy. So it's it's it's it's again.

456
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Speaker 3: Sometimes you can get lost in the news and all

457
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Speaker 3: these different things. When you're around somebody that kind of man,

458
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Speaker 3: you're like, oh, you know, but not so bad. Like again,

459
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Speaker 3: like I grew up in the South. I grew up

460
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Speaker 3: in Texas. You know, I've traveled all over the South.

461
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Speaker 3: So it's like Southern people. To me, there's a comfort

462
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Speaker 3: that exists there with Southern people, regardless of religion, age,

463
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Speaker 3: or whatever the case may be, right, even if the

464
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Speaker 3: fact that like they could be rooting for my own

465
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Speaker 3: detriments as a black man in terms of their policies

466
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Speaker 3: and the rules and the way that they view things.

467
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Speaker 3: When you're around them and you're at a sports bar,

468
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Speaker 3: you're at a game, especially on.

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Speaker 5: Game, he's charming. He's not mean, he doesn't say anything mean.

470
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Speaker 5: He wants to. He's a get along guy.

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Speaker 1: He's not he's not out here, you know, being Bill Belichick,

472
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Speaker 1: Like that would be I could tell Bill no, I

473
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Speaker 1: could say Bill, no, thanks, I don't want one of

474
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Speaker 1: your tacos.

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Speaker 3: You make me sick, Sir, billdn't even leave the house,

476
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Speaker 3: you know, the house.

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Speaker 1: But my point is this whole demeanor is such a

478
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Speaker 1: he's so he's so sour, you know, and surly if

479
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Speaker 1: you will, I wouldn't even Okay, all right, So I

480
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Speaker 1: just answered that question for myself. I am curious, though,

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Speaker 1: do you think that that Do you think Jerry Jones

482
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Speaker 1: was held held accountable for that photo that that that

483
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Speaker 1: service of him?

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Speaker 3: And some people accountability, well, some people.

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Speaker 5: Say, look, it's forty years ago, fifty years ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you have to account that the variantce of

487
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Speaker 3: accountability because he was asked about the question and there

488
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 3: was a story made about it, and he was asked

489
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Speaker 3: about it, and he was pressed about the situation. So

490
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Speaker 3: like in terms of that level of accountability, yes, but again,

491
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Speaker 3: he has a charming way of being able to find

492
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Speaker 3: ways to you know, excuse himself of certain behaviors that

493
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Speaker 3: he has or certain tendencies that he has, and you know,

494
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Speaker 3: you kind of just chalk it up to Jerry being

495
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Speaker 3: Jerry at a certain point, fair or not.

496
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Speaker 1: Fair, simply put, the rich and powerful are just not

497
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Speaker 1: like us. When we return Jerry Jones and the black

498
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Speaker 1: athlete activists back in a moment when I look at

499
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Speaker 1: the NFL and I think of the the the landscape,

500
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Speaker 1: in the in the makeup of the players.

501
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Speaker 5: What is the percentage of black players in NFL?

502
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Speaker 3: Do you know, Scotty at least easy, we'll check it out.

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Speaker 1: I think of other sports w NBA obviously seventy percent,

504
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Speaker 1: the sports that are that have a majority black players.

505
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Speaker 1: And how oftentimes in each league, not even sport, in

506
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Speaker 1: each league where the majority is black, there's always this

507
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Speaker 1: lack of knowing and responsibility in terms of culturally. And

508
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Speaker 1: since we're talking about the Cowboys, this will lead into

509
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Speaker 1: a bigger question. But we'll go back to the Colin

510
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Speaker 1: Kaepernick years and taking a knee, and I remember Jerry

511
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, we'll take a knee.

512
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Speaker 5: He was very like, we're gonna do this once. We'll

513
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Speaker 5: go out here. We're gonna take this knee. We're done

514
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Speaker 5: with this knee.

515
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Speaker 1: He was like, we're gonna we're doing this knee thing

516
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Speaker 1: because you guys want to do this knee thing.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna kneel.

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Speaker 1: We solidarity, We're done with more than what other owners did.

519
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Speaker 1: I'll give him credit for that, but don't bring this

520
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Speaker 1: knee thing back up to me is how he approached it.

521
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Speaker 1: Don't bring this kneeling thing back up.

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Speaker 5: Do you believe.

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Speaker 1: That there should be more empathy for the players that

524
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Speaker 1: are dealing with these issues.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. I think there should be. The

526
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Speaker 3: problem that laws in the workplace in the workplace, one

527
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Speaker 3: hundred percent. The problem that lies is ultimately they're going

528
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Speaker 3: to view it as a business, and so that empathy

529
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Speaker 3: that exists could be in contract contrast to the audience

530
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Speaker 3: they're trying to sell them the lead to for the product.

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Speaker 3: And so that is that is the root, and that

532
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Speaker 3: is a gray area that every single league has found

533
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Speaker 3: himself and since, like you mentioned, since twenty sixteen and

534
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Speaker 3: even pre dating. That's a Trayvon Martin for being honest

535
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Speaker 3: in the NBA and dealing with these situations. You know,

536
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Speaker 3: was covering the league. I was in locker rooms at

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Speaker 3: the time, and I had the same situations where I was,

538
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Speaker 3: you know, around you know, these moments, was in Washington,

539
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Speaker 3: whether it was in Philadelphia, Aaric Reid and seeing the

540
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Speaker 3: impact that they had. Who wanted to speak up who

541
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 3: because they want to protect their families. But it was

542
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 3: very clearly a situation which everyone felt the impact of

543
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 3: how heavy it felt being a part of this league

544
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Speaker 3: and feeling ultimately the reality that you probably already knew

545
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Speaker 3: to begin with that you're very disposed. There's a reason

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Speaker 3: why it's called the NFL and it's called not for

547
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Speaker 3: law is the initials that go around with people to

548
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Speaker 3: lead because the average career is three years. So it's

549
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Speaker 3: a strange balance that these companies find themselves in because yeah,

550
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Speaker 3: you are disposed unfortunately, like you just are, like we

551
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Speaker 3: all are in this corporate space and capitalism, everyone is disposed.

552
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 3: They create us all those interchangeable parts and hope to

553
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Speaker 3: keep mission in the mechanisms of the operation of which

554
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Speaker 3: they created Roland, no matter who's there.

555
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Speaker 4: And who's not.

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Speaker 3: I mean, who knows. At some point they could replace

557
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Speaker 3: all their iboughts, you know. So it just but as

558
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Speaker 3: long as the mechanism still exists, that is their only

559
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Speaker 3: for the most part, that is their priority, as long

560
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Speaker 3: as they're making money. But where I do agree with

561
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Speaker 3: you as a human, it does lead with empathy. That's

562
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Speaker 3: where you you're left with a moral morality choice. Are

563
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 3: you going to prioritize your dollars or will you save

564
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 3: some dollars in that situation to make sure that people

565
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 3: that you're working with feel like they're being respected, feel

566
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Speaker 3: like they're being treated properly, feel like they're being treated

567
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Speaker 3: as equal. And you know, whether that comes back to

568
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 3: you or not in terms of those dollars ten percent

569
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 3: of your profits, fifteen percent, twenty percent, And you saw

570
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Speaker 3: the ratings dip in the NFL at the time as well,

571
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Speaker 3: whether that comes back or not, would you be comfortable

572
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Speaker 3: in being able to do so? And that's that's a

573
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Speaker 3: tough proposition because if sales dropped, then that's layoffs. So

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Speaker 3: you know, then you're laying off the people that you're

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Speaker 3: trying to respect as well. So you're just stuck in this.

576
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: You know this this catch twenty two, that's endless cycle.

577
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 3: But it's all based off of morales principles, and again

578
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 3: come in from a person that's viewing things more from

579
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 3: like a real perspective instead of like a morality perspective

580
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Speaker 3: farness perspective. I don't I don't truly expect morals from billionaires.

581
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Speaker 5: I've never met it. I've never met an ethical billionaire.

582
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Speaker 5: I don't know about.

583
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 7: Yeah.

584
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 4: Never.

585
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Speaker 3: They don't become a billionaire by becoming more.

586
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Speaker 5: Like being ethical. No, you don't by being a human.

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Speaker 3: I hate to say it. You view things in a

588
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Speaker 3: very linear this is good for business, It is not

589
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 3: good for business perspective. And it could be as simple

590
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Speaker 3: as an XCEL spreadsheet or just the ability to extrapulate

591
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Speaker 3: what's going on society and figuring out how to make

592
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Speaker 3: money off of it. But oftentimes it does not come

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Speaker 3: at the price of being moralistic. The WNBA is another

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Speaker 3: great example, as they've gone through all their issues this

595
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 3: season with racism, as He's seen the increases and it's

596
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 3: been all great, but it's come at the cost of

597
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Speaker 3: the mental health of somebody's players.

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Speaker 1: I think that's going to change, though. I think the

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Speaker 1: WNBA will operate very differently than an NFL. I think

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Speaker 1: they have no choice. I think that women are the

601
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Speaker 1: conscience of the universe, and I think that women lead

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Speaker 1: with empathy. Even though they are athletes, they lead with empathy.

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Speaker 5: Do you think there is a lack of black athlete

604
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Speaker 5: too or activists? Not that they have to be, but

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Speaker 5: I'm asking.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to dismiss those that are. Maybe

607
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Speaker 3: i'd say it top in terms of the most prominent athletes.

608
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: There is a lack of activists that exist there, and

609
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 3: again it ties back to this new era of branding.

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Speaker 3: You know, in the sixties, they weren't making the same

611
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 3: amount of money that they're making today. There's not you know,

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Speaker 3: you talk about a player that's talking, you know, like

613
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Speaker 3: a desk. Bryant was talking about, Hey, I got to prioritize,

614
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 3: you know, feeding my family, not just his family. You know,

615
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 3: he's got a marketing guy, he's got an agent, he's

616
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 3: got friends, whatever the case may be. There's so many

617
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 3: people depending on his weekly income check that comes in

618
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Speaker 3: that he has a whole operational social media guy, other

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Speaker 3: business ventures that he has that there's a lot of

620
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 3: mouths to feed in that situation. And now the high

621
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Speaker 3: rep you go and the more prominent you become, there

622
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Speaker 3: are more people around you that deal with these different

623
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Speaker 3: natures and investments, whether it's you know, in wine or

624
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 3: tequila or sports betting, whatever the case may be. The

625
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 3: most prominent athletes have their hand and every single venture

626
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 3: that has some sort of exponential growth capabilities in the

627
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 3: economy in the marketplace today. So having said that, it

628
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 3: comes a complete contradiction in terms of being able to

629
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 3: speak out as an activist because all these brands will

630
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 3: not align with your moral thesis or your moral compass

631
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 3: that you have, unfortunately, because their bottom line is how

632
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 3: can we make more doubts? And if that dollar comes

633
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 3: from an activist or it comes from a racist, it's

634
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 3: still a doubt and that's how they're going to view it.

635
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 3: So that's where it becomes a little bit more difficult,

636
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Speaker 3: because it's harder to being able to distinctively have yourself

637
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Speaker 3: as simply an activist and no matter how hard they try,

638
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Speaker 3: and I think in some ways it could also just

639
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Speaker 3: be unrealistic to expect athletes and hold them up to

640
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 3: the standard. Yes, they have the platform to do so.

641
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 3: But then you got to the point where people were

642
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 3: thinking they were activists, but they really weren't actives, you know,

643
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 3: they were just they were really just they were part

644
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 3: of the social conversation, but they weren't doing the work that.

645
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 3: Out of respect of the activists that I do know

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Speaker 3: that are truly on the groundworks protesting.

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Speaker 8: Rallying advocates or advocatesred percent or advocates, you know, there's

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Speaker 8: work that goes into that that that again I think

649
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 8: was dismissed because yes, you have a platform, Yes you

650
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 8: speak up to your personal experience, one hundred percent.

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00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 3: Not here to dismiss anyone's personal experience. But activists sacrifice

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00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 3: their lives for the greater good, and sometimes that's beyond

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Speaker 3: their own personal interest, and that sometimes can be difficult

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Speaker 1: Is that why you believe we don't see them as

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Speaker 1: much now because this is more of a branding business,

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Speaker 1: and and and and.

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Speaker 5: Well then why why?

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to say why, but I'm curious

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on why the Muhammad Ali's of the world,

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Speaker 1: and the career of Bill Jabbars of the world, and

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Speaker 1: the Bill Russells of the world decided to use their

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Speaker 1: platform to be advocates slash activists.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Bill Russell was having batteries thrown at him

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Speaker 3: at his own home games choice, you know, like he

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Speaker 3: he couldn't sleep in the same hotel or eat in

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Speaker 3: the same restaurant some of his teammates and and some

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Speaker 3: of them stood up for him and being like, hey,

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Speaker 3: we're not going to eat here if they're not going

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Speaker 3: to allow you in. You know, like that, there's a

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Speaker 3: there's something about having your back against the wall for

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Speaker 3: the basic necessities and the inability to have access to

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Speaker 3: those necessities that puts you on an edge and puts

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Speaker 3: you on a brink where you feel like I have

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Speaker 3: no other choice.

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Speaker 4: Mhm.

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Speaker 3: Were now that doesn't exist, Like I don't want to

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Speaker 3: say that doesn't exist, because there are areas.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we see this along so we're you know,

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Speaker 1: we've we've advanced, we've we've improved for the for it

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Speaker 1: may not be as substantive as we want, but but

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Speaker 1: but the athlete of yesteryear is no longer dealing with

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Speaker 1: the same issues today. No, they're not.

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Speaker 3: And and that's what those guys fought for. You know

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Speaker 3: that that that's what the Spencer Haywoods fought for in

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Speaker 3: terms of you know, the CBA is with with the

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Speaker 3: NBA and allowing for free agency. They fought for these

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Speaker 3: moments to allow you know, Lebron James to make sixty

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Speaker 3: million dollars a year. You know, and it's incredible to

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Speaker 3: think and of possibility at some point that you can

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Speaker 3: have an active player that makes more money than the

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Speaker 3: owner on an annual basis. Does Mark Cuban brought this

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Speaker 3: thought process up? He's like, look, I know, I have

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Speaker 3: a lot of investments and I have like a you know,

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Speaker 3: my valuations, you know, whatever the case may be. But

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Speaker 3: in terms of bringing in annual income, like he's like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: there's gonna be an athlete at some point in the

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Speaker 3: NBA that tops what I make, and that's gonna bring

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Speaker 3: an interesting proposition where you have an athlete that has

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Speaker 3: more liquity, more cash on hand than the actual owners

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Speaker 3: that they're playing for. And that just they'll talk to

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Speaker 3: Bill russ recipes, Bill Russell, go talk to like Kreemebak,

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Speaker 3: Bill Jabarr and the people who fought for that, and

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Speaker 3: it's just a world that they probably never imagine that

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Speaker 3: whatever exists because all they wanted was a meal.

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Speaker 1: Master t has a very valid point. The world back

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Speaker 1: then for a black athlete was less free. They had

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Speaker 1: no choice but to fight in order for today's athlete

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Speaker 1: to have a choice and a voice. The choice between

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Speaker 1: do I do I do I do I follow my

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Speaker 1: morality or I make a business decision?

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Speaker 5: And then who knows?

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Speaker 3: And MJ made the business decision. MJ made the business.

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Speaker 1: Republicans spice makers too, and he's very much an he's

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Speaker 1: a quiet advocate, but he is dismiss and so and

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Speaker 1: so there is there are ways. There's no there's no

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Speaker 1: blueprint to how to advocacy or being an advocate. If

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Speaker 1: you will, you could make all this money on the

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Speaker 1: side and not on the side. You can make all

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Speaker 1: of this money and and and you can do good

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Speaker 1: with all this money. You just may not be as

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Speaker 1: vocal about it, and that and and you still are

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Speaker 1: solving You still are solving world problems, whether you're vocal

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Speaker 1: or not. There are plenty of ways to be an

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Speaker 1: advocate or a or a an activist. There are plenty

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Speaker 1: of ways to do it where it doesn't have to

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Speaker 1: be obvious. With that being said, I'm gonna have to

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Speaker 1: wrap up this podcast, but I do know what I Masterchi.

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Speaker 1: This is what I have decided you would after having

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Speaker 1: this conversation with you, you would have most definitely been like,

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Speaker 1: thank you, mister Jones, I appreciate it, or my.

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Speaker 3: Tacos jailing, that's what I know? Or am I mister

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Speaker 3: Italian Darius?

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Speaker 5: I know you were like, because you know, we gotta

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Speaker 5: make these decisions.

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Speaker 1: I was like you, that's that was a business decision

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Speaker 1: I made to eat that taco because I wanted the

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Speaker 1: access and the power. That was a business decision and

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Speaker 1: you would have made it too. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: hear nothing about the key day.

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Speaker 3: I do love you some Dug tacos.

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Speaker 5: I'm not fancy fancy. You've been amazing. Thank you so

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Speaker 5: much for coming on.

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Speaker 3: I was always appreciate, appreciate it.

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