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Speaker 1: On the Bechdel Cast, the questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: women and them are all their discussions just boyfriends and

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Speaker 1: husbands or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zeph and

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Speaker 1: bast start changing it with the Bechdel Cast.

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Speaker 2: Hey Caitlin, Yeah, oh not much.

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Speaker 3: Hey Jamie, do you wanna do you want to catch

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Speaker 3: some perfect waves? Air waves that is to release our

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Speaker 3: podcast on.

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Speaker 4: I would love that, And that's how surfer's talk. I think, honestly,

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Speaker 4: so much of what I know about surfer culture does

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Speaker 4: not come from Blue crosh It comes from the cartoon

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Speaker 4: Rocket Power. That was what I was just going for,

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Speaker 4: is I know, I don't think you would have grown

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Speaker 4: you up on cartoons you've missed. Rocket Power was a

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Speaker 4: nicktoon and I think the late nineties early two thousands

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Speaker 4: that was about a bunch of surf kids on Venice Beach.

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Speaker 4: I think it was Venice Beach. They're definitely in California,

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Speaker 4: and they had this like kind of burnout dad named Ray,

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Speaker 4: who I think probably wouldn't have taken the vaccine, like

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Speaker 4: that sort of surfer dad vibe. It was like a

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Speaker 4: very weird, funny, diverse cartoon about surfer kids. And the

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Speaker 4: best part was anytime there were like tourists on the beach,

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Speaker 4: they would call them shoe bees. I don't know that.

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Speaker 4: I can't explain, but they'd be like shoe bees and

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Speaker 4: they all talked like that because it was a cartoon. Okay, anyways,

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Bechdel Cast. My name's Jamie Loftus.

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Speaker 3: My name is Caitlin Dorante. This is our podcast where

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Speaker 3: we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using the

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Speaker 3: Bechdel Test as a jumping off point. But Jamie, what

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Speaker 3: is that?

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Speaker 4: Well? The Bechdel Test is a metric created by queer

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Speaker 4: cartoonist slash our best friend, Alison Bechdel back in the

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Speaker 4: eighties in her iconic comic on a Comic Likes to

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Speaker 4: Watch out For. Originally written as a joke, often called

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Speaker 4: the Bechdel Wallace Test because it was co created with

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Speaker 4: her friend Liz Wallace, but it has since been sort

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Speaker 4: of adapted to be a mainstream media metric. The version

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Speaker 4: of the test that we use requires that two characters

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Speaker 4: with names of a marginalized gender talk to each other

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Speaker 4: about something other than a man, and it should be

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Speaker 3: And it's especially relevant for today's episode because again, the

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Speaker 3: origins of the test, as we mentioned from time to time,

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Speaker 3: is that it was presented in Dikes to watch out

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Speaker 3: for as this way for characters in the comic to

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Speaker 3: be like, Wow, anytime I see women on screen in

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Speaker 3: a movie talking to each other about something other than

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Speaker 4: Because boy, does that happen with this movie?

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Speaker 3: Yes, hey, yes, so that is our show. Today's movie

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Speaker 3: is Blue Crush.

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Speaker 4: Long time request, long, long time requests. This has been

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Speaker 4: a long time coming.

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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, and we have a wonderful guest joining us today.

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Speaker 3: Let's get her in the mix. She is a writer,

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Speaker 3: comedian host. You've seen her at the New York Comedy

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Speaker 3: Festival and shows. It's Stonewall, It's Melody Kmalie Hei.

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Speaker 4: Hello, welcome, Helloha, even what yeah, how are you? Thanks

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Speaker 4: for blue crashing with us today?

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me. I think I talked to Caitlin

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Speaker 5: about this movie years ago, asking if it had been done,

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Speaker 5: and I'm so excited that she reached out knowing that

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Speaker 5: I'm this is the movie that did launch like a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well get it kind of ruins it. It

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Speaker 4: too hard about blue Crush. That is sometimes that's a

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Speaker 4: very common experience on this show. You've been buckdle casted. Sorry.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't want to think. I just want to

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Speaker 4: There's so much to talk about. The highs or high,

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Speaker 3: I think just like waves, just like tides.

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Speaker 4: Have any have either of you ever attempted to serve

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Speaker 5: a chubby little teenager sixteen. I had this DVD. I

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Speaker 5: like my friends were like Melody's weirdly obsessed with this movie.

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Speaker 5: I was gifted the DVD freshman or sophomore year of

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Speaker 5: But it was really for the pictures, Like I have

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Speaker 5: like with my arms, my hands on my hips, just

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Speaker 4: I can like picture the very specific digital camera grain

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Speaker 3: And then herly like like Roxy Quicksilver Billabong owe that

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Speaker 4: Like I didn't know, yeah, landlocked teenagers like walking around

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Speaker 4: I did not realize that this movie was based on

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Speaker 3: So melody your relationship with the movie. You saw it

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Speaker 3: as a teen and it was part of your queer awakening.

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Speaker 4: Any other notable Well.

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Speaker 5: Just you know, my DVD player broke a long time ago,

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Speaker 5: remember it had a lot of buzz. What was it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the boyfriend the ex boyfriend from Legally Blonde.

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Speaker 4: is like name a more two thousand and two choice there. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you're saying, like the original piece is so much about

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Speaker 4: like friendship and ambition, and it sounds like way closer

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Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, good point, good point.

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00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 5: Oh inconsequential please sorry, we can continue.

435
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: Okay, So Anne Marie gets fired. Later, they head to

436
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 3: the beach for more training and surfing. Drew and his

437
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 3: friends are there, and then something happens where a guy

438
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 3: I think it's Drue. It's kind of like a wide

439
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 3: shot so it's hard to see, but he interferes with

440
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 3: Anne Marie's surfing and she falls and her board breaks.

441
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 3: And then that guy, Matt pops up to be like, Hi,

442
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 3: I was just vaguely stalking you anyway, can you teach

443
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 3: me how to surf? And she's like pass, But then

444
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 3: her friends are like, well, maybe he'll pay you and

445
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 3: you need the money, so they chase him down and

446
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 3: he's like, yeah, I'll pay you one hundred and fifty

447
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 3: dollars a day, and they're like a wooga. And then

448
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 3: three of his teammates want to learn how to surf

449
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 3: two so Anne Marie, Eden, Lena, and Penny each take

450
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 3: on a student. We get a little montage. Everyone's having fun,

451
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: they're goofing around, they're surfing, and Anne Marie and Matt

452
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 3: stay out later than everyone else and they're vibing. Then

453
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 3: he invites her to his hotel room pays her one

454
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 3: thousand dollars because he wants a lesson every day for

455
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 3: the next week.

456
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 5: The days leading up to the competition, mind you.

457
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 3: Yes, So perhaps Anne Marie doesn't to quote is this

458
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 3: high school musical. She doesn't have her head in the game.

459
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 3: She needs to get her.

460
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 4: Head yet in the game. Yeah, if only zac Efron,

461
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 4: we're there.

462
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 3: So then they smooth on the lips also until he

463
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 3: gets a phone call, which he answers and he's like, hey, sweetheart,

464
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: miss you. So Anne Marie thinks that he's married or

465
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 3: has a girlfriend and he's like, no, no, no, no, no,

466
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 3: it's my niece, which honestly seems fake, but we're supposed

467
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 3: to believe it. And they carry on because he takes a.

468
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 4: Picture out of his wallet, right, and don't worry. This

469
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 4: never becomes relevant. I think it literally is just like,

470
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 4: oh he's a great guy. Yeah he has a niece,

471
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 4: he took a call from her, or even clearing a

472
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 4: very low bar our friend Matt.

473
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 3: Also, another thing that doesn't make sense is that he

474
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 3: makes the excuse of like oh, no, no, yeah, they're

475
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 3: calling me right now. Because of the time difference. They

476
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 3: say that it's two am in Hawaii, which would mean,

477
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 3: assuming they're on the mainland, maybe in Minnesota it would

478
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 3: be like six am or some other like ungodly hour.

479
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: Weird time to be calling your uncle. So it's like, no, no, no,

480
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 3: that doesn't make sense.

481
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 4: You don't understand their relationship.

482
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 5: No, he's like a really good uncle.

483
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, as an adolescent, I was always calling my uncle

484
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 4: in the middle of the night talking about.

485
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 3: Okay. So the next day, Anne Marie takes Matt to

486
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 3: a more private beach away from all the tourists. But

487
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 3: then Drew and his minions show up and they're like,

488
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 3: this beach is for locals only. What's this outsider doing here?

489
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 3: And a fight breaks out. Matt and Drew throw some punches.

490
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 3: Anne Marie breaks it up and they leave and they

491
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,719
Speaker 3: go back to Matt's hotel, which means that she blows

492
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 3: off Eden because they were supposed to hang out and

493
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 3: train and go jets skiing together or something, and so

494
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 3: Eden thinks that Anne Marie is screwing up. She's distracted

495
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 3: by this guy, Matt, who she keeps smooching, and she's

496
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 3: staying in his hotel room where she used to work

497
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 3: and clean up puke off the floor. But now she's

498
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 3: getting a taste of what it's like to be on

499
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 3: the other side of this. She's ordering room service and whatnot.

500
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, is this one.

501
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 5: She's making like a mayonnaise sandwich in the kitchen this scene.

502
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I just can't the way they eat. Obviously

503
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 5: they don't have much money. They're scrounging coins to get

504
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 5: like twinkies and send mayonnaise. But it's like, if Eden

505
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 5: is so on her about her training, let's get a

506
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 5: vegetable in the mix.

507
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 4: I did appreciate that. I mean there, we've talked about

508
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 4: this in the show a million times and again, like

509
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 4: the rigid body standards don't like I think even when

510
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 4: we do see women eating, it's still like they still

511
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 4: are held to this very high, rigid, early two thousands

512
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 4: body standard, which to this movie is no exception too sure,

513
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 4: but I did appreciate even as a kid, because I

514
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,239
Speaker 4: love gross food. I love it. I used to make

515
00:30:58,480 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 4: when I would go to my friend Lois's house, we

516
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 4: make frosting sandwiches, and I just felt I just felt

517
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 4: very seen by this where you're like, yeah, that's absolutely gross,

518
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 4: but she's still hot and that's something to aspire to.

519
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 3: She does eventually put baloney on these manonnaise sandwiches, but

520
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 3: she's slathering mayo on the bread for a long time.

521
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 4: Good honor.

522
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 3: Also, we see them buy some food and make some food,

523
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 3: but we never see them eat food.

524
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 5: I don't think, oh interesting, I guess I didn't notice

525
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 5: that you need fuel.

526
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 4: Still, I mean, I've never seen a mayonnaise sandwich of

527
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 4: that caliber assembled in media true visibility.

528
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: You know, representation matters. Okay, So Eden is getting on

529
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: Anne Marie's case about this guy distracting her, but Anne

530
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: Marie sits. The contest comes first, and the next day

531
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 3: Anne Marie trains with Eden and it's going well at first,

532
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 3: but then a gnarly wave knocks them around and they

533
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: get into an argument where Anne Marie is like, quit

534
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: trying to live vicariously through me, get your own dreams,

535
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 3: and Eden is like, oh yeah, well you're scared and

536
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: you're just trying to run away like your mom. And

537
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 3: then they part ways. Anne Marie goes to Matt again.

538
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 4: Not her friends, because that would make too much sense. Yeah, yeah,

539
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 4: not someone who actually knows her family dynamics. Just some guy,

540
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 4: just a guy who she.

541
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 3: Met three days ago. He also has bought her a

542
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 3: nice dress, and there's like this big fancy dinner that

543
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 3: his teammates and their girlfriends are all going to so

544
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: she accompanies them, and in the bathroom, Anne Marie overhears

545
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 3: the women saying all these mean, classest things about her,

546
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 3: talking about other women who Matt has done this with,

547
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: of like finding a local working class woman, treating her

548
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 3: and buying stuff for her, including a server at Denny's,

549
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 3: our favorite restaurant, an American institution. So Anne Marie is like, Matt,

550
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 3: what the fuck? And He's like, no, no, no, You're

551
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 3: not like those girls. And Anne Marie once again believes

552
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 3: him for some reason, and they have a heart to

553
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 3: heart and she talks about what she wants in life,

554
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 3: asks him what she should do, and he's like, go

555
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 3: for it.

556
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 5: This is in the water, by the way. She gets

557
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 5: such a she walks into the night ocean.

558
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 4: Okay, the water. The ocean cinematography in this movie is clutch. Yeah,

559
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 4: pretty good, the cgi with the surfing.

560
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 5: Even yes, sometimes I'm like, her body's there and her

561
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 5: face is there, but.

562
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 3: I don't think I would have noticed it in two

563
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: thousand and two.

564
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 4: I notice it now, No, but yeah, of course.

565
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 3: But also yeah, there the water. Because Anne Marie goes

566
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 3: in the water in her expensive dress, Matt chases after her.

567
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 3: He's also fully clothed, and it's like, who do you

568
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 3: think you are? Leonardo DiCaprio in all of his movies?

569
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 5: Uh?

570
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: Oh, anyway, so she's like, what should I do? He's like,

571
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 3: the girl who I met would never ask a guy

572
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: what to do, and we're like, whoo two thousand and

573
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 3: two feminism.

574
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, even he is like, why am I supposed why me?

575
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 3: Don't fucking know I met you three days ago?

576
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 5: Where's your lesbian friend? Get it together?

577
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 3: Then we cut to the Pipemaster's contest the next day.

578
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 3: We learn in a throwaway line that is barely audible,

579
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 3: that this is the first time women have been allowed

580
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 3: to compete in this contest.

581
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 4: I feel like that was also eighty yard and labably yeah,

582
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 4: because it's so I was like, I think they maybe

583
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 4: forgot to mention what the movie was supposed to originally

584
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 4: be about. And they're like, shout out to that. But

585
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 4: ultimately this movie is about the power of Matt's penis

586
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 4: to change lives.

587
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 3: Yes, unfortunately, Yes. So Anne Marie is competing among the

588
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 3: best surfers who are women in the world, so the

589
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 3: competition is stiff. She goes and tries to catch her

590
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 3: first wave and flubs it up. But then one of

591
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 3: her competitors, Kate Scarrett, who is a real surfer, real athlete,

592
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 3: playing herself, she also wipes out and gets injured, and

593
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 3: this is like Anne Marie's chance. She keeps hesitating, but

594
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 3: she manages to do a good surf. I don't know

595
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 3: how to talk about surfing.

596
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 4: No, that's good. You could be a commentator, Thank you

597
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 4: so much.

598
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 3: She does a good surf, although she gets caught on

599
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 3: a coral reef and nearly drowns again. But she's okay

600
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 3: and she advances to the next round, though she seems

601
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 3: unsure if she should continue with the competition because of

602
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: this mishap.

603
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 4: But is this one?

604
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 5: He gives her the pep talk exactly and inspires her

605
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 5: with his own injury story, like, yeah, see my pinky,

606
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 5: it's broken. But because of that, I got this sick

607
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 5: little spin.

608
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 4: When I throw the banging my head against the table.

609
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 4: You're like, who cares?

610
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 5: Why are you here?

611
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 4: Stop trying to connect with her?

612
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 5: Leave?

613
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 4: Leave? How long is this fucking vacation? Ages?

614
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 3: So she decides to move forward, and then it's time

615
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 3: for the next round. Anne Marie is up against a

616
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 3: new competitor, Kila Kennelly, who is also a real surfer

617
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: playing herself, who is crushing it and Anne Marie keeps hesitating. Again,

618
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 3: she goes for it eventually wipes out, but then she

619
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 3: goes again and catches an awesome wave and gets a

620
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 3: great score. She does not advance to the next round,

621
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 3: but she has redeemed herself and the crowd loves her.

622
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 3: People from Billabong and other brands approach her to be like,

623
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 3: join our team. And then the movie ends with Anne

624
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 3: Marie and Matt sharing a heterosexual kiss on the lips. Plus,

625
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 3: Anne Marie is featured on the cover of the magazine Surfing,

626
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 3: so she got.

627
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 5: One of the things she wanted, which should be the

628
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 5: big win.

629
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 4: But yeah, but no, Ultimately she has a rich boyfriend. Now, yeah,

630
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 4: so that's the movie.

631
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 3: Let's take another quick break and we'll come back to

632
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 3: discuss and we're back.

633
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, where would we like to start? So so much

634
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 4: to pull from.

635
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 3: There is I kind of want to start with something

636
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 3: that was alluded to earlier, but just the idea that

637
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 3: this is a story set in Hawaii that centers a

638
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 3: white woman and her white tourist boyfriend. Yes where you know.

639
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 3: Many scenes take place at a resort. We see little

640
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 3: to nothing as far as Native Hawaiian communities or neighborhoods

641
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 3: or anything like that. The characters who are Native Hawaiian

642
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 3: or implied to be Native Hawaiian, such as Drew and

643
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 3: his friends, are presented as antagonistic characters. They're always giving

644
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 3: Anne Marie a hard time.

645
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 4: Which is something that we see quite a bit in

646
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 4: stories like this. I forget what episode we recently encountered

647
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 4: a similar thing. It was actually Perfect Blue, where you know,

648
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 4: any character that wasn't being presented as the like quote

649
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 4: unquote beauty ideal or even just had a darker skin

650
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 4: tone was made out to be a side character and

651
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 4: a bully. Which, yeah, and the fact that I mean again,

652
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 4: taking Matt out of this story improves it tenfold. I

653
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 4: don't I don't know. I don't know how realistic it

654
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 4: is in a teen movie that came out in two

655
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 4: thousand and two for there to not be a forced

656
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 4: romantic hetero interest. I want to believe better. But even

657
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 4: like in Leelo and Stitch, to talk about the other

658
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 4: big movie set in Hawaii that came that was mostly

659
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 4: made by white people that came out the same year, yeah,

660
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 4: Nanni has a love interest, but he's a person in

661
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 4: her community, and they take time to have the romantic

662
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 4: interest makes sense in a way that doesn't, you know,

663
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 4: overshadow what the story is actually about, which is very

664
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 4: rooted in Native culture. However flawed, but this movie just

665
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 4: has an aggressive disinterest in Native why and culture, and

666
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 4: the way that it's shown is very I mean, obviously

667
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 4: the movie is interested in surfing, but it's more interested

668
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 4: in the corporate side of surfing, which I think inherently

669
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 4: when you're talking about the capitalist side of it, it's

670
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 4: like tied to well, of course we're going to gravitate

671
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 4: to white characters. And I don't know reading I was

672
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 4: rereading the Susan Orlean piece this morning. I didn't quite

673
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 4: get through it. I've read it two weeks ago as well.

674
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 4: But there is a lot of you know, in the

675
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 4: moment that this is set in, there were a lot

676
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 4: of racial tensions in small surfing communities that are not

677
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 4: I mean that I feel like if they are attempted

678
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 4: to be acknowledged in this, they make out Native communities

679
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 4: to be resentful bullies who are pushing around. We're told

680
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 4: by the music, we're told by the amount of screen time.

681
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 4: Whose quote unquote side we're supposed to be on, and

682
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 4: it's Matt And with Anne Marie, we have like, first

683
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 4: of all, she does not need to be the main character.

684
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 4: If anything, it would be interesting to have her there

685
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 4: as a way to illustrate actual racial dynamics in this

686
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 4: community at the time, but like this movie is not

687
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 4: capable of doing that. But it was just interesting reading about,

688
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 4: you know, what was actually happening in these communities at

689
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 4: the time, because there are dynamics that are just very

690
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 4: much surface acknowledged or just left on the table completely, right,

691
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 4: Like the one Native woman.

692
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 5: In the movie, the cashier at the store when at

693
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 5: their gas station when they're trying to buy their twinkies,

694
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 5: I think is the only person in the movie who

695
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 5: is nice to them. It's just so fleeting. And even

696
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 5: in that one exchange, she like puts herself down and

697
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 5: references her weight yeah right, right yeah, and compares herself

698
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 5: to Kate Bosworth's character, and You're like, no, come on.

699
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 4: So I did want to say we that Senna Lake,

700
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 4: I hope I'm saying her name. Who plays She is

701
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 4: born and raised in Hawaii. She's of Hawaiian, Japanese and

702
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 4: English descent, but she is very connected to native Hawaiian

703
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 4: culture and a Hawaiian herself, and I think it's frustrating

704
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 4: that she's there. But she's, like, of the three girls,

705
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,919
Speaker 4: the character we get to know the least well for sure,

706
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 4: and like, again, there's a huge opportunity to you know,

707
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 4: and I know, I'm sure that part of it had

708
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 4: to do with the fact that this was her first

709
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 4: movie and like she was not a very experienced actor,

710
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 4: but like, then find an experienced Hawaiian actor and center

711
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 4: the story around them. And I'm not even adverse to

712
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 4: having Anne Marie be one of the girls in the background. Right,

713
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 4: But yeah, of the three girls, we do have a

714
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 4: native Hawaiian character played by a native Hawaiian actor, but

715
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 4: we don't get to know her at all at all.

716
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, yeah, and then the native characters that group

717
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 3: of men Drew in his his Minions are There's that

718
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 3: scene where Anne Marie takes Matt to the private beach

719
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 3: and Drew and his friends show up to be like,

720
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 3: you know, only locals are allowed here. They call Matt Howley,

721
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 3: which is a Native Hawaiian term meaning a person, especially

722
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 3: a white person who is not a native Hawaiian. I'm

723
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 3: not quite sure how derogatory it is in different contexts,

724
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 3: but they're using it derogatorily in this scene. But Native

725
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 3: characters being protective of their land is presented in the

726
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 3: movie as them being assholes and being like aggressively territorial.

727
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 3: There's no acknowledgment of colonialism or land theft or anything

728
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: like that.

729
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 4: No, which they're only about forty years removed from at

730
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 4: the time that this has happened. I don't it's again

731
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 4: not to keep bringing up lie Lowed Stitch. I guess

732
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 4: that the remake just came out, so it's on my

733
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 4: mind anyway. But you know, and that movie does the

734
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 4: bare minimum. It's a fucking Disney movie, but it still

735
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 4: does more than Blue Crush to acknowledge the history of

736
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 4: oppression and the tour like this movie is very weirdly

737
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 4: pro tourism. Well not weirdly because they are. You know,

738
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 4: the Tourism Board was very involved in the making of

739
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 4: this movie, which we can talk about. Yeah, so it

740
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 4: is very like intentional that taurists are not being criticized

741
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 4: in this context, but it's I don't like it. I

742
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 4: don't it's and it's weird because again you're given this,

743
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 4: like the three girls work at a hotel, and that's

744
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 4: the closest you get to it being critical of tourist culture.

745
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 4: But you know, it's whatever. It's a it's a it's

746
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 4: a movie. So tourist culture can be resolved by the

747
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 4: main white girl telling off the rich guys one time

748
00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 4: and it's like boom solved, great, and then she herself

749
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 4: sort of gets to benefit for in the way that

750
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 4: the tourists do, which I feel like there is like

751
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 4: a pretty woman appeal to that switch. I remember liking

752
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,959
Speaker 4: that as a kid of like, oh look who gets

753
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 4: to hang out in the fancy hotel. Now, Like that's satisfying.

754
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 5: I get it.

755
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 4: But it's just like I think, because of the way

756
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 4: it was made, and we can talk about that too,

757
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 4: like it's just fundamentally unwilling to deal with necessary, uncomfortable

758
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 4: parts of Hawaiian history, because I think that part of

759
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 4: the purpose of this movie is to convince people to

760
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 4: go on vacation.

761
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right and get surf lessons from white surfers.

762
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

763
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 3: There's a scene where Anne, Marie and Matt are relaxing

764
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 3: in the hot tub in his hotel room, and Matt

765
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 3: says something like, oh, I can see why the tourists

766
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 3: never leave their hotels, and then Anne Marie starts to

767
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 3: be critical of that. She's like, oh, don't say that,

768
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 3: that's not real Hawaii. But then she pivots and is

769
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 3: talking about the native community and says they're so protective

770
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 3: of their land, their waves, and she's saying it like

771
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 3: they it's so annoying that the people who are indigenous

772
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 3: to this land are protective of their land from colonizers

773
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 3: like me. Ugh, and it's like, do you hear yourself?

774
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, there are a bunch of drus honestly, like they're just.

775
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 4: Hate that scene. So this movie was indeed made with

776
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 4: the Hawaii Visitors and Convention Bureau. That was the group

777
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 4: that and again it's like it's a very very I

778
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 4: would be curious what our Hawaiian listeners think about this

779
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 4: because that is the main source of income in the

780
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 4: state of Hawaii. Because of all of these issues with

781
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 4: colonialism and so it's a very, very complicated topic. We

782
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 4: also talked about it during our Lee, Low and Stitch episode,

783
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 4: but that yeah, it seems like a lot of the

784
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 4: reasons that these issues don't come up are because it

785
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 4: was made to basically convince people to vacation. It was

786
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 4: made so the idea is to cross promote the film

787
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 4: and the state of Hawaii. And it was brokeer and

788
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 4: buckle in here by a woman named April Missini, who

789
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 4: had also previously brokened similar deals with the Hawaii Visitors

790
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 4: and Convention Bureau on productions like Baywatch Hawaii and Pacific

791
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 4: Blue and also the Miss Universe pageant. And you're like, hm,

792
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 4: Miss Universe, and is she terrifying Trump Republican? Well, yes

793
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 4: she is, and she has since sort of pivoted to

794
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 4: be full time Trump booster. So that's who brokeer the

795
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 4: deal with the State of Hawaii here. So knowing that,

796
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, of course, this is a very

797
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 4: uncritical look at you know, like basically colonialism never happened

798
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 4: in the version of Hawaii that is presented here. And

799
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 4: I think, like, yeah, part of the purpose of having

800
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 4: the boys or the Native boys be cruel to the

801
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 4: random football guys is to make it seem as if

802
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 4: Native Hawaiians are resentful of them or like territorial in

803
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 4: a way that it's like, well, fucking yeah, of course,

804
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 4: but this movie takes the side of this of the

805
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 4: football players, because they want the football players to come

806
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 4: on vacation. Yes, And this is why we can't think

807
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 4: too hard about the movie Blue Crush just unraffled.

808
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 5: Scott Bechel casted so hard just now.

809
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 4: And the fact that like somehow the NFL ends up

810
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 4: getting some free publicity in this too.

811
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

812
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, iconic, unproblematic institution, the National Football League, because they're

813
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 4: name checking stuff. There's saying he's an NF He's not

814
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 4: just a football player. He's an NFL quarterback. And he's

815
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 4: in Hawaii for the Pro Bowl, which is so Again,

816
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 4: it's like this April Messini, diabolical evil person is getting

817
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 4: you know, every bad, gigantic business in the US is

818
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 4: getting a bite at the Blue Crush apple. Also this

819
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 4: is separate, but in the Susan Arlene article there is

820
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 4: a guy named Matt who features prominently, but he is not,

821
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 4: shockingly not an NFL quarterback. He is instead a coach

822
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 4: slash I think father figure to the girls that the

823
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 4: peace centers around. I guess that he's in his late twenties,

824
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 4: he's got his own family, and the piece deals a

825
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 4: lot more with the fact that many of the girls

826
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 4: it's following are poor right or have a single parent household,

827
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 4: and that this coach has been a part of sort

828
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 4: of plugging the holes in like what they need. They

829
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 4: stay with him, sometimes, he gives them food, he helps

830
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 4: their parent rents out, and it's like a very community

831
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 4: based idea around this guy. But instead they're like, what

832
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,959
Speaker 4: if we just did not have anyone like that? Because

833
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 4: weirdly all of those traits end up sort of being

834
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 4: attributed to Eden's character of the pseudo coach. But I

835
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 4: was like, I would much rather have that version of

836
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 4: Matt where it's like he was a guy who had

837
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 4: resources and was connecting the girls with sponsorships so they

838
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 4: could afford to continue surfing. But they're kind of left

839
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 4: in the lurch in the Blue Crush averse.

840
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 3: And the movie does examine class, but in a very

841
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 3: weird way where on one hand, and I'm not saying

842
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 3: that there are not poor white people in Hawaii, but

843
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 3: poverty disproportionately affects the Native community in Hawaii because of

844
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 3: all the usual suspects colonialism, land theft, displacement, white supremacy,

845
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 3: capitalist some labor exploitation, the movie doesn't acknowledge that, and again, like, I.

846
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 4: Don't think that it's a bad thing necessarily to show

847
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 4: poverty at all, but sure it's not presented as a

848
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 4: community problem. It's presented as a cake Bossworth problem, right,

849
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 4: which doesn't make sense, right, And.

850
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 5: The reason behind it is colonialism. So if you're trying

851
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 5: to sell hotel packages, you can't include that. So we're

852
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 5: gonna keep it colonial gaze, right, And.

853
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 4: They're like, it's the fault of their deadbeat mom, that

854
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 4: this is all happening, not the fault of American colonialism, right,

855
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 4: And again that's I think, or I would I guess

856
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,479
Speaker 4: hazard I guess that that's part of why we don't

857
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 4: really know more about Lena's character, and we don't, I mean,

858
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 4: we don't know that much about Michelle Rodriguez's character either,

859
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,919
Speaker 4: Like it we don't know anything about the home life

860
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 4: of really anybody Kate Bosworth. And then the the quote

861
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 4: unquote solution is a rich boyfriend exactly from the National

862
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 4: Football League for the Pro Bowl. And it's not that

863
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 4: you should unionize the workers at your hotel, and'd say

864
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 4: fuck you. It's it's that you should be staying at

865
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 4: the hotel. You should be at the hotel. It's just, yeah,

866
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 4: it's very like, I don't know. I did appreciate, I

867
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 4: did appreciate the sister dynamic. I thought that a lot

868
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 4: of beats between the two of them worked. And I

869
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 4: wish that that level of care and nuance was applied

870
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 4: to literally any non white character in the movie. And

871
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 4: that's just not what happens.

872
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 5: And you have to really pay attention to catch that arc. Yeah,

873
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 5: because they're at odds with each other at the beginning,

874
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 5: that's clear. Side note. Taking her from that party she

875
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 5: snuck off to and she was like, Hi, she looks

876
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 5: like twelve years old and in the arms of much

877
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 5: older men, and that just was disturbing to watch as

878
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 5: an adult. But when they finally come together, it's just

879
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 5: like one little moment when they're teaching the football players

880
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 5: how to surf, and you could see Pennies getting really

881
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:21,479
Speaker 5: into her linebacker's development and he finally catches a wave

882
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:26,240
Speaker 5: and she's so excited about it, and Anne Marie's watching

883
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 5: her the entire time get more and more excited and

884
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 5: just gives her this like big hug, and you could

885
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 5: see she's just so proud of her but like that,

886
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 5: I don't know that's it. It cut to her hugging

887
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 5: her at the end when they're all celebrating her not winning,

888
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 5: but being celebrated by the man and getting the sponsorship.

889
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 3: And I mean, like you said, Melody, Penny is constantly

890
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 3: surrounded by and she's fourteen, She's surrounded by men who

891
00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 3: were presumably in their early twenties. No one is saying

892
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 3: anything about this predatory behavior of the men.

893
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 4: Well, I do think that there is a one off

894
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 4: line that this does not resolve the issue at all.

895
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 4: It maybe even makes the whole thing kind of sadder,

896
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 4: where it is acknowledged like she's being you know, sort

897
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 4: of pursued and harassed and eventually assaulted by these older men.

898
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 4: But then I think it's Eden who is just like, well,

899
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 4: what do you care, Ane, Marie, Like we did the

900
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 4: same thing at the same age. Like it's almost presented

901
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 4: as this cyclical thing of like, well, this is just

902
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 4: how men treat us, which is not the way to

903
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 4: address that issue at all. If anything, that should make

904
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 4: you angrier. But I think that like the way that

905
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 4: they talk that away and even the fact that like

906
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 4: when the little sister is going to these parties. It's

907
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 4: made out as like she's making these choices, like this

908
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 4: is her fault, and the way EDID presents it's like, well,

909
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 4: you did the same thing at the same time, as

910
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 4: if to say, you know, not in a way that's

911
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 4: like and that shouldn't be happening. It's more of I

912
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 4: think that in their group, this is quote unquote to

913
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 4: be expected in terms of how you're conditioned to accept

914
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 4: treatment from men, and unfortunately, I mean, I don't think

915
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,919
Speaker 4: that this movie is intending to make commentary on really

916
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 4: anything maybe, but that's definitely something that I remember from

917
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 4: being younger and having like older cousins that are like, oh, well,

918
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 4: this is just what happens, Like this is you know,

919
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 4: and then it's not till you're older or you have

920
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 4: someone in your life who can you know, pull that

921
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 4: into focus of like this is not acceptable for this

922
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 4: to be happening to you, and like that you're able

923
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 4: to I don't know, I just found I found that

924
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 4: seemed to be very sad for for literally everyone, because

925
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 4: it's like they don't intervene because they were taught that

926
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 4: it's okay to happen to them too.

927
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're just watching her in the water. Look at her,

928
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 5: just look at it, like right, and.

929
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 4: They're like shaming her the way that they would shame

930
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 4: themselves and each other. Like it's just a very vicious cycle.

931
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, we need the fervor from the condom scene applied

932
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 5: to so many more systemic issues than this movie.

933
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 4: Right, the selective go girl feminism moments. Yeah, yeah, but

934
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 4: it's like, but if your twelve year old or fourteen

935
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 4: year old sister is being hit on by grown men,

936
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 4: she's a slot.

937
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 3: You're like, Anne Marie literally says something like, oh, she's

938
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,479
Speaker 3: just doing this for the attention and to piss me off,

939
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 3: you know, putting the blame on Penny rather than the

940
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 3: adult men who are hanging out with a fourteen year

941
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 3: old girl. Yeah, and it's a very like two thousand

942
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 3: and two attitude. But it's atrocious.

943
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 4: And I just wish that there were a character in

944
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 4: this movie that was even able to like course correct

945
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 4: Anne Maria on that, because it's not like unbelievable to

946
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 4: me that another teenager would have a warped view of

947
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 4: these dynamics. But it's like, you need a grown up

948
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 4: in the room, like where And also just going back

949
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 4: to the season Orlean piece. Again, they wrote out the

950
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 4: like the girl who Anne Marie is ostensibly based on

951
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 4: is a teenage surfer named Teresa McGregor who does have

952
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 4: a mom. She simply does. She's from a single parent household,

953
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 4: her dad's side in the picture, but she does have

954
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 4: a mom and she has this coach named Matt. And again,

955
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 4: I just feel like it's very Disney Princess vibes to

956
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 4: write out the mom for reasons that exist in a

957
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 4: vacuum that aren't the reasons that we get in the

958
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 4: nuanced masterpiece. Lee lowd Stitch, I have to rewatch this

959
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 4: seen it since it came out. I'm kind of joking,

960
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 4: but it is doing more than this movie is.

961
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, I'm sure.

962
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:53,919
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yes.

963
00:57:54,600 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 3: Also, Penny is a white girl with corn Rose. Speaking

964
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 3: of appropriation, I wanted to talk a little bit about

965
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 3: the sport of surfing. So, you know, on top of

966
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 3: everything we've talked about as far as this movie centering

967
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 3: a white woman and her white love interest in Hawaii

968
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 3: and the villainization of Native Hawaiian characters, on top of

969
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 3: all that, this is a movie about a white woman

970
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 3: doing a sport that Native Hawaiians originated. I don't know

971
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 3: a lot about surfing, but I did a little research

972
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 3: on the history of the sport, and you know, there's

973
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 3: evidence of it existing as long ago as three to

974
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 3: five thousand years. It popped up in different regions of

975
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 3: the world, such as Peru, various regions in West Africa,

976
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 3: various areas of Polynesia, including pre colonized Hawaii, where surfing

977
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 3: or hey nlu which translates in English to wave sliding,

978
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 3: it was part of religious and spiritual traditions. The crafting

979
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 3: of surfboards was an important cultural practice. Then colonizers and

980
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 3: Christian missionaries invaded the islands banned surfing, and yeah.

981
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 4: I didn't realize for a long time until surfing was

982
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 4: so popular that they couldn't continue to ban it, and

983
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 4: then so instead they commercialized.

984
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 3: Exactly like it was banned in an attempt to erase

985
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 3: indigenous culture and assimilate Native Hawaiian people into Western culture,

986
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:39,439
Speaker 3: which is what always happens during colonialism. But then when

987
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 3: the colonizers realized they could capitalize off of surfing, they

988
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 3: brought it back and turned it into a whole industry.

989
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 3: So I just wanted to touch on that.

990
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 4: I mean, it's very much another example of like what

991
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 4: we see here is almost completely forced from Native Hawaiian culture.

992
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 4: What we're seeing is like the commercialization of this sport

993
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 4: and you know, selling people on its authenticity by manufacturing

994
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 4: a poor white girl to like, it's just it's it's

995
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 4: a fucking mess. And and again it's like the purpose

996
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 4: of this movie is to sell stuff. It's to sell

997
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 4: surfing garments that I didn't I meant to look into,

998
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 4: you know, where the big surfing brands originated to see

999
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 4: if any are potentially Native owned. I didn't have time.

1000
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 4: Oh interesting, But you know, basically it's trying to sell

1001
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 4: you on an idea of embracing another culture while completely

1002
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 4: not doing that, which is what we see all the time.

1003
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 4: I mean we were it worked, and it worked, and

1004
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 4: it was It's just like another way in which American

1005
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 4: colonizers sell the idea of honoring native cultures that they've

1006
01:00:55,200 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 4: completely decimated and taken and then sold back to tours.

1007
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the white protagonist is never going to be

1008
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 5: the vessel to even mention once like any of the

1009
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 5: deep cultural or spiritual meanings with surfing. But no, it's

1010
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,919
Speaker 5: just like the waves are strictly like gnarly are sick

1011
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 5: and like never sacred. We're never going to get that

1012
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 5: from Anne Marie, you know right now.

1013
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, what the movie does instead in regards to surfing

1014
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 3: is the through line of surfing being a boys club,

1015
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,919
Speaker 3: like it is in you know, most sports, where again

1016
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 3: it's always you know, Drew and his friends being like,

1017
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 3: girls can't surf, and they're undermining her skills. They're making

1018
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 3: various sexist remarks, which, yes, like this type of sexism

1019
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:56,439
Speaker 3: is very pervasive in sports and of course the world

1020
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 3: in general. Anne Marie tries to push back against that.

1021
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 4: She but it just still feels pretty hollow. It does

1022
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 4: where it's like that's as radical as the movies will

1023
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 4: like to get for sure.

1024
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, feels very white feminism.

1025
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, and not even a lick of an exploration to queerness.

1026
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 5: Obviously I'm expecting too much, but there is an inherent

1027
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 5: sapphic energy let's talk about it within that culture.

1028
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 4: I mean, now let's get into the good stuff.

1029
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 5: I think the actual professional surfer we see at the

1030
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 5: gas station that they point out and like, oh she's

1031
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 5: on the cover. She sponsored he or she gets to

1032
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 5: surf indo, like she reads very gay, that surfer and

1033
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 5: there's just like this moment where she notices them and

1034
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 5: their boards on the top of the car and goes, ooh,

1035
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 5: surfer girls, local girls, and like, just the way she

1036
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 5: says it may maybe the only time we get like

1037
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 5: a peek into any queerness in the culture of surfing.

1038
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 5: Obviously it's all whatever we took from it and ran

1039
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 5: with the undertones I guess may have been there, but

1040
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 5: obviously it left us swatting a lot more.

1041
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's nothing explicit or overt, but as you can

1042
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 3: speak to Melody, there is a lot of shipping that

1043
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 3: has been done. Yes, between Anne Marie and Eden.

1044
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,959
Speaker 5: There's got to be fan fiction out there, Oh.

1045
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 3: I'd imagine so. But yeah, it's a lot of like

1046
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 3: Eden not liking that Anne Marie has started dating a

1047
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 3: man named Matt, And yeah, they're just different scenes where

1048
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 3: Eden will be like, oh, what some guy thinks you

1049
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 3: look hot in a bikini and you forget all about

1050
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 3: the contest. Yeah, She's like, I'm not mad, I'm I

1051
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 3: just happen to know you kick ass out there. It's

1052
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 3: just you and one other girl out there.

1053
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 5: It works it like but also inadvertently reinforces the angry

1054
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 5: lesbian stereotype, regardless of whether or not this was an

1055
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 5: intentionally gay character. She's just so angry she is.

1056
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 4: And there's no context, and so it just is I

1057
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 4: I it's it's just there's so many lost opportunities here.

1058
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 4: It's just it's it's such a bummer watching it through.

1059
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 4: Although I mean, speaking to your point earlier, Caitlin, this

1060
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 4: is literally why the Bechdel test originally existed, is to

1061
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 4: address dynamics like this where you're like, it's right there,

1062
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 4: but is it? And that's what the movie, you know,

1063
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 4: is fucking you, fucking with you, But just the idea

1064
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 4: that there is this group of young women who are

1065
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 4: probably probably still they're teenagers, they're probably still figuring out

1066
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 4: who they are, and like a lot of whatever sixteen

1067
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 4: to eighteen year olds are not fully out or even

1068
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 4: no or anything like that, and you have them all together,

1069
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 4: I don't know. Again, just like going back to the piece,

1070
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 4: there's all of these descriptions of like the girls having

1071
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 4: these like sleepovers out of necessity so they can wake

1072
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 4: up early together and having these like bonding exercises literally

1073
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 4: braiding each other's hair, and like talking about like strength

1074
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 4: training and eating a shitload that was. Something that's brought

1075
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 4: up constantly is that surfers burned calories like no one's

1076
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 4: business and have to refuel constantly, which is something that

1077
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 4: like Kitler, you're saying, we see, but we don't. And

1078
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 4: even though we see the girls together, they don't like

1079
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 4: really share a lot of like intimacy that you would

1080
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 4: think that they would like it's just I don't know,

1081
01:05:57,640 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 4: kill Matt, hit Matt with a meteor.

1082
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. The original article is about mostly teens.

1083
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 3: I feel like the movie aged them up to like

1084
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 3: definitely twenty year old's twenty two, early twenties. I think

1085
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 3: they all live together. They share the cost of rent

1086
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 3: and bills and all that, right, but.

1087
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 5: Like they're in the prime of their lives and it's

1088
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 5: like now or never, right, and it's not even to succeed.

1089
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 5: It's like, so you can escape this, but we don't.

1090
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 4: Address what this is is it because it's like it's

1091
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 4: one thing if it's poverty, but they're not explicit about it.

1092
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 4: So it seems also anti Hawaiian culture.

1093
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the camaraderie that you

1094
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 3: think would be shared among them you see a little

1095
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 3: bit of in the movie, but yeah, like you said, Jimmie,

1096
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 3: there's not as much. And Eden's crush on Anne Marie

1097
01:06:55,680 --> 01:07:00,439
Speaker 3: is just too too covert because like you you watch

1098
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 3: the scene where they're on the back of a jet

1099
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 3: ski and Anne Marie is behind Eden clutching Eden's waist

1100
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 3: and we are we are then is playing and you're

1101
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 3: just like, again, like watching that from a like Bechdel

1102
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 3: test point of view, you're just like, yeah, they're in love,

1103
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 3: but the movie doesn't let them, but they.

1104
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,439
Speaker 4: Don't be let us. Yeah, I mean, and so that's

1105
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 4: a good time to look at, well, who made this,

1106
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,439
Speaker 4: And well, I have revealed myself to be a Susan

1107
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 4: orlean Stan. She is a white woman from Ohio. So

1108
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 4: that is the original reporting, which and I would say

1109
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 4: it's more of a gondo like she's she's not doing

1110
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 4: a deep dive into Hawaiian culture. She's writing about this

1111
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 4: like series of a couple of weeks she spent with

1112
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 4: the specific surfers. So it's not a piece that's invested

1113
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 4: in the history or appropriation of Hawaiian culture at all,

1114
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 4: which makes it a convenient piece to adapt here. So

1115
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 4: I think that like why this is happening is it's

1116
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 4: adapted from a piece of light reporting from a white

1117
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 4: woman from Ohio who I love, but there it is.

1118
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 4: The screenplay is by white woman from Los Angeles, Lizzie Weiss,

1119
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 4: who I've read a couple of interviews with. She had

1120
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 4: no connection to Hawaiian culture, and in fact, her family

1121
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 4: used to go on vacation there as when she was

1122
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 4: a child, so she is coming from the perspective of

1123
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 4: this is a vacation destination. Is directed by a white

1124
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 4: guy from Texas named John Stockwell. And so you know,

1125
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 4: where is the Native Hawaiian representation at any point in

1126
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 4: this production? I think the only place that there might

1127
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 4: be native perspective is the representatives for the Hawaiian Visitors

1128
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 4: and Convention Bureau. But listen to the name of that,

1129
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 4: what is the goal? It doesn't From what I was

1130
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 4: able to gather, there wasn't really any indigenous or just

1131
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:10,600
Speaker 4: Hawaiian in general contribution to this that was critical of

1132
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 4: tourism or colonialism. And there was also this I wasn't

1133
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 4: able to fully wrap my head around this, but this

1134
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 4: movie does have a connection to a law that happened

1135
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 4: pully here from scholarly journal Wikipedia. But I did read

1136
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 4: the few articles that came out about it at the time.

1137
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 4: Blue Crush is the first film to use Hawaii's Act

1138
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 4: two twenty one, a progressive local tax incentive that called

1139
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 4: for a one hundred percent state tax credit for high

1140
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 4: tech investments meeting the requirements for qualified high tech business

1141
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 4: while also allowing local investors to receive tax credits for

1142
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 4: investments in film or television products. Universal Studios use a

1143
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 4: legislation for the Blue Crush production, receiving approximately sixteen million

1144
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 4: dollars in a deal with local investors, who in exchange,

1145
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 4: received of the film's high tech tax credits. So I've

1146
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 4: this is not my area of expertise. What I can

1147
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 4: gather and what I gathered by reading into this law

1148
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 4: a little bit. And this happens all over the place,

1149
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:18,959
Speaker 4: but I think it particularly in a colonized recently colonized

1150
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 4: land like Hawaii. It's relevant is that filming this movie

1151
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 4: on location, there was a law that made it more

1152
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 4: affordable and put money back into the Hawaiian economy. What

1153
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 4: my guess is is this is part of the reason

1154
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 4: why this movie was able to be as commercial as

1155
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 4: it was and as uncritical as colonialism as it was.

1156
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 4: Right because you have this law that's like, Okay, we're

1157
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 4: going to put money back into the local economy as

1158
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 4: long as we can make the movie the way that

1159
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 4: we want to make it and have it ultimately be

1160
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,640
Speaker 4: about a white girl and selling board shorts at the

1161
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 4: mall in Ohio. And so I don't know if any

1162
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 4: listeners have a better understanding of the law than I do.

1163
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,560
Speaker 4: And it's not hard let me know if I'm on

1164
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:13,600
Speaker 4: on the mark there. But I just think it was

1165
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 4: interesting that this movie was sort of the one that

1166
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 4: set that precedent and engaging with the local Hawaiian economy

1167
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 4: while not engaging with their culture or people outside of

1168
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 4: a few casting like casting native actors mostly as bullies. Yeah,

1169
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 4: it seems like that was the extent.

1170
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:35,480
Speaker 3: Definitely.

1171
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, if only Leilo and Stitch unpacked that law. Yeah,

1172
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 5: not only. I did read an interview with Lizzie. Not

1173
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 5: only is she not a surfer, but she talks about

1174
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 5: how afraid of the ocean she is.

1175
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 4: Like, maybe this isn't yours.

1176
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 5: She said, I'm more of a river in lake person.

1177
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 5: I'm actually terrified of the ocean.

1178
01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 4: I honestly, I am also terrified of the ocean. But

1179
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 4: maybe that's a reason for maybe I shouldn't write a

1180
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 4: movie about surfing, Like maybe this just isn't your I

1181
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 4: don't know, it's it's just it's disappointing, especially when it's

1182
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 4: like you know it. Unfortunately, still is rare for women

1183
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 4: to be writing movies about women, even if they are

1184
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 4: privileged white women. Unfortunately.

1185
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 5: But uh, yeah, Lizzie, I don't know, Lizzy, she was

1186
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 5: sent by the studio to Hawaiian Maybe it is so,

1187
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 5: I mean, we know it had to be commercial to

1188
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 5: a degree, but that's all she knew.

1189
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 4: It's all out there, so all she saw was the hotel.

1190
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 5: That's why we got that line about now I get

1191
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 5: why no one leaves the hotel, right right?

1192
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 4: You can just really trace the direct line of having

1193
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 4: this story completely told by outsiders. And I think Susan

1194
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 4: Orlean told the best version of this story. But even

1195
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 4: she's basing it on a very small community and very

1196
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,719
Speaker 4: little outside knowledge or experience. Like there, if this story

1197
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 4: was to be adapted into this movie, then why would

1198
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 4: you not then bring in Hawaiian people to consult on it? Yeah?

1199
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 3: I wonder if we all read the same interview it

1200
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 3: was in something called Monster Children, did we shared the

1201
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 3: interview the interview with the Anniversary right the twentieth Anniversary

1202
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 3: with screenwriter Lezzlie Weiss, seems like her main objective with

1203
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 3: this movie was like girl power. Apparently she had a

1204
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 3: women's studies degree and so she wanted to showcase women

1205
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:52,560
Speaker 3: in sports. And you know, she talks about how it

1206
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 3: was important that she showed women on screen supporting each other.

1207
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:59,759
Speaker 3: Because there's that scene towards the end where Kayala Kennelly

1208
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 3: is saying like you got this, go for it to

1209
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 3: Anne Marie, and then there's that part where Anne Marie

1210
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 3: says something like she's listening off everything she wants and

1211
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 3: she's like, I want a girl to be on the

1212
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 3: cover of Surf magazine. It would be great if that

1213
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 3: girl were me, but any girl will do. And we're like, yay,

1214
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 3: once again two thousand and two feminism.

1215
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 4: I mean, and I don't want to come down too

1216
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 4: too hard on Lizzywise here, because it's like, yes, it's

1217
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 4: two thousand and two feminism, but also it is two

1218
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 4: thousand and two, Like this is this is not uniquely

1219
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 4: a Lizzy Weiss problem. Sure sure yeaheah.

1220
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 5: The first draft is wildly different than the movie.

1221
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:44,600
Speaker 3: We all see wait, can can you speak more to it?

1222
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 3: Because I failed to do adequate research on that.

1223
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 5: Well. I read she co wrote the first version, and

1224
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 5: I think I said at the beginning, like she had

1225
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 5: mentioned in a couple interviews, that it was inspired by

1226
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:04,720
Speaker 5: Mystic Pizza, and it was really about female friendship and

1227
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 5: community and they're a lot younger. It was like that

1228
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 5: after high school, in between college time, one of the

1229
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:16,640
Speaker 5: girls was set to leave to the mainland, and it

1230
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 5: was just exploring all their relationships and those feelings of

1231
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 5: like endings and things way more female centered. Of course,

1232
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:30,599
Speaker 5: I read that the director came on board and wanted

1233
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 5: instead to make an action movie.

1234
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:34,440
Speaker 4: It's like we got Michelle Rodriguez.

1235
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:38,680
Speaker 5: And I also read that Lena and Eden had more

1236
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 5: developed roles. It was more about their like collective effort

1237
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 5: to support Anne Marie and her surfing. Yeah. I just

1238
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 5: I remember reading it was just like very different, and

1239
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 5: I just I want to copy. I really did.

1240
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,640
Speaker 4: I would love yeah, because I just I see this

1241
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 4: a lot in I mean, in like criticism of movies

1242
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 4: that happen now where I And again this is also

1243
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 4: just me being a defensive writer, but so much of

1244
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 4: what comes up short in a finished product is often

1245
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 4: blamed on the writer explicitly when often you don't know,

1246
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 4: like your name is sometimes on something that like these

1247
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 4: are not your words, it's not your original attention. And

1248
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 4: that's just like how the industry works. And I would imagine,

1249
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 4: I mean, based on your description, we had a movie

1250
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:37,719
Speaker 4: that would have been imperfect, still would have centered sure,

1251
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:41,679
Speaker 4: this white character, but was a stronger attempt at telling

1252
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 4: a grounded story. And I mean, you know, having Lena's

1253
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 4: character rounded out more, seeing what her home life is like,

1254
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 4: getting her connection to her culture. Like we can't say

1255
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 4: that didn't happen at some point. I don't know.

1256
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 5: But what we do know is there was no NFL

1257
01:16:56,720 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 5: quarterback romance in the first version, right, definitely wasn't. The

1258
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 5: studio wanted it to have a broader appeal and had

1259
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 5: them add that in.

1260
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 4: And then you look at the number of players that

1261
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 4: are involved in like you have to get the Tourist

1262
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 4: Board to sign off on this script, you have to

1263
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 4: get Universal to sign off on this script. You have

1264
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 4: to have this director that wants an action movie and

1265
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:25,639
Speaker 4: doesn't think that a story about women can be meaningfully

1266
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 4: incorporated to sign off on this script and it's a

1267
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:31,719
Speaker 4: system wide failure.

1268
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 5: It apparently also like really centered on like the grit

1269
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 5: of the working class women, and that's obviously not going

1270
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 5: to fly with the tourism board, of course, But I

1271
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 5: would have loved to see Hawaii as more than a backdrop,

1272
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 5: right like and just interact with it a little.

1273
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 4: Not to continue piling on, but another thing I did

1274
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 4: notice about this movie is the two other football players

1275
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 4: we meet are black characters who are presented as comic

1276
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:16,840
Speaker 4: relief and really don't bring much more to the table

1277
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 4: in that, which also feels like an extremely of the

1278
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 4: time choice and just a different way in which non

1279
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 4: white characters are put to the side in this because

1280
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:33,680
Speaker 4: the only romantically viable NFL player and again, why are

1281
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 4: there NFL players in this movie is the white guy

1282
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 4: from Legally Blonde.

1283
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 5: And yes, no black women at all, even in the

1284
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 5: girlfriend group.

1285
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, oh was there?

1286
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 3: I don't remember.

1287
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 4: I think they're they're women of color, yeah, but we

1288
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 4: literally see.

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01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 3: Them on screen for all of three seconds.

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01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 5: So yeah, and they're what mean everyone's and they're very

1291
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 5: like there are there are like Hawaiian people in this movie.

1292
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 4: I mean they do talk like I was able to,

1293
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 4: you know, find that there was a fair amount of

1294
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 4: local casting, although I wonder how connected that is to

1295
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 4: this tax break versus like an actual good faith attempt

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01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 4: to meaningfully include Hawaiian actors because they are mainly cast

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01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:27,640
Speaker 4: as background characters and bullies. So I would hazard a

1298
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 4: guess that that probably had more to do with getting

1299
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 4: this massive tax credit. Yeah, the world is so fucking depressing.

1300
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 4: There's here's here's a good thing, here's a here's a

1301
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 4: smiling thing. Maybe yeah, let's smile, or maybe I'm wrong.

1302
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 4: Let's see you do get to see I think you're

1303
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 4: you were both talking about this off mic before we

1304
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:53,759
Speaker 4: started Melodia as well, that you do see real life

1305
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:57,839
Speaker 4: women athletes in this movie, and they're celebrated and presented

1306
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 4: as like aren't they awesome? And they do I think

1307
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 4: classic athlete cameos where they can't act to save their lives.

1308
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 4: They're like, hello, I am It's one of my favorite

1309
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 4: kinds of cameos is athlete reading from a piece of

1310
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:15,679
Speaker 4: paper off screen. And I liked it. And you actually

1311
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:16,799
Speaker 4: get to see them.

1312
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:20,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you see them on screen. They have cameos. The

1313
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 3: two that we see surfing pretty significant chunks of time

1314
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 3: in the movie are Kate Scarett and Kayla Kennelly. There

1315
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 3: are others who are mentioned or seen on screen. I

1316
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:33,680
Speaker 3: kind of I didn't write down enough stuff as I

1317
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 3: was watching, so I'm leaving people out.

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01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 5: I know that.

1319
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 3: But yeah, the point is it's real athletes playing themselves

1320
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 3: and also doing a lot of the like stunt work

1321
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 3: and like body double work for the lead actors, and

1322
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:54,799
Speaker 3: they are credited as such. They're properly credited. I'm reminded

1323
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 3: of the discussion we had in the Black Swan episode

1324
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 3: where ballet dancers did a lot of body double work

1325
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 3: for the lead actors but were not properly credited. The

1326
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 3: production acted like Natalie Portman and Mila Kunez did all

1327
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 3: of their.

1328
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 4: Own professional ballerinas, which, like, upon reflection, I was like

1329
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 4: wild that they thought we would buy that. But I

1330
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 4: do think that that is such a like Hollywood commercialism

1331
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 4: thing to like not to shit on actors, right, I'm

1332
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 4: an ally to actors, brave, I'm even marrying when someone's

1333
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 4: got I know, controversial. You live in La long enough

1334
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, but yeah, that the I

1335
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 4: was reading some of the in Kate Bosworth in because she,

1336
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 4: of course did a retrospective interview about this. It's the law,

1337
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 4: I think, especially during Lockdown, there were a lot of

1338
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 4: these pieces coming out. But Kate Bosworth did an interview

1339
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 4: for the twentieth anniversary with Alana Caplan a Vulture and

1340
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 4: talks about how she was like, I was not an

1341
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:02,720
Speaker 4: experienced surfer. I did everything I could to prepare for

1342
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 4: the role, to convincingly do some stuff, but absolutely needed

1343
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 4: like was very forward about the fact that she needed

1344
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 4: body doubles. And that's unfortunately unusual.

1345
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 3: And yeah, because so many productions will be like, no,

1346
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 3: we didn't use any body doubles. There weren't any stunt performers.

1347
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:24,640
Speaker 3: Actors can do everything.

1348
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 4: But now that the like concept of a movie star

1349
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 4: to like no longer exists outside of like five people,

1350
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 4: I think that it's easier to acknowledge it. Although this

1351
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 4: is a here's here's another thing that gets stuck in

1352
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 4: my I'm getting attacked. Here's another thing that gets stuck

1353
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 4: in my crawl. Casper loves to weigh in, here's another

1354
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 4: thing that gets stuck in my damn crawl. The time

1355
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 4: is there still not an oscar for stunt work? And so,

1356
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 4: you know, even to this day, I think it's like

1357
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 4: important for actors, especially high profile actors, to acknowledge their

1358
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:05,520
Speaker 4: stunt counterparts, because the industry is still you know, systemically

1359
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 4: undervalues them. Yeah.

1360
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 5: I learned, or I've been thinking about that a lot,

1361
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:12,560
Speaker 5: because a contestant on the last season of Survivor was

1362
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 5: a stunt actor and he talked a lot about how

1363
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 5: broke he was and he was living in his car, So,

1364
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 5: oh my god, more for them.

1365
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, there is not enough talk about how many like

1366
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 4: critical people in the industry are living in active poverty, right,

1367
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 4: But yeah, the least that actors can do is is

1368
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 4: what Kate Bosworth is doing, which is acknowledging that she

1369
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 4: did not magically become a professional surfer overnight. It's not

1370
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 4: a lot to ask for. Also, I this is so

1371
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:46,719
Speaker 4: beside the point, but I didn't know that Kate Bosworth

1372
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 4: and Justin Long were married. And I'm like, what, that's

1373
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 4: so cute. That's so cute. I kind of love that.

1374
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 5: It's something I always forget. They're just under the radar.

1375
01:23:57,160 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 4: Like two. I love when two icons that you would

1376
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 4: not expect have even met before are low key married.

1377
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 4: It's nice they're smooching. Yeah, does anyone have anything else

1378
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:09,720
Speaker 4: they'd like to discuss.

1379
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 5: I just want to know if either of you know

1380
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 5: anything about Blue Crush too.

1381
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 4: No, wait, I don't.

1382
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 5: Oh, I don't know anything, Like I refuse.

1383
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 4: I know it was like a straight to TV movie.

1384
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 4: See who's in that's it?

1385
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 5: Okay, But I do remember in that Vulture article they

1386
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 5: do touch on it when they're asking if Kate Bosworth

1387
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 5: wants to if she would do a sequel, and she

1388
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 5: says that she's on board. She knows the other girls

1389
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 5: are on board. She would want it to be way

1390
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 5: more about their friendship and surfing, but she they make

1391
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 5: a point to say she would want it to jump

1392
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:49,600
Speaker 5: off of Blue Crush, and in so many words, it

1393
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 5: seems like she wants to completely ignore Blue Crush. It

1394
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:54,799
Speaker 5: doesn't exist in this universe.

1395
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 4: This is hilarious, Okay. So I don't even know if

1396
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 4: Blue Crush two had permission to associate itself with Blue Crush,

1397
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 4: because this is okay. Blue Crush two is a twenty

1398
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 4: eleven so weird amount of time twenty eleven film starring

1399
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 4: Blah Blah Blah. Despite the title, it is not a

1400
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 4: plot continuation of the two thousand and two film and

1401
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 4: critic reviews were generally negative, so it's we're not dealing

1402
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:20,640
Speaker 4: with the same character. It seems like they may have

1403
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 4: just released a movie called Blue Crush two because it's

1404
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 4: not technically illegal. I'm looking at the DVD cover. It

1405
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 4: says from the filmmakers that bought you Blue Crush. Unclear

1406
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 4: what they mean by that. I think it was maybe

1407
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 4: distributed by Universal Direct to DVD. Interesting, but it's about

1408
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:41,600
Speaker 4: a totally different person. It's about someone named Dana and

1409
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 4: her friend Jaybay.

1410
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1411
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 4: Oh no, Jbay is a place, not a person. I

1412
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 4: don't know. It's totally different. It's totally different.

1413
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 3: Yes, you know what other movie does this is Titanic two,

1414
01:25:56,479 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 3: which is not about the characters nor even the ship Titanic.

1415
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 3: It's about the ship called Titanic two. Yeah, all right,

1416
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:10,560
Speaker 3: other people and Shane van Dyke directed in stars in it.

1417
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 3: That of course is Dick Van Dyke's grandson. And it's

1418
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 3: a great movie. We should cover it someday, Jamie, Oh, okay, fine.

1419
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 5: I do also remember, like Deadline articles from mid twenty

1420
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:26,719
Speaker 5: ten's about there was going to be a TV show.

1421
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:31,520
Speaker 5: They sold it like Lizzie Weiss was they were developing

1422
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 5: the TV show for I think NBC with like Universal

1423
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 5: and everything. But that's all I know about that. I

1424
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 5: don't know what happened, but that would have been interesting.

1425
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm ready for it if it ever comes. The

1426
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 3: last thing I wanted to mention this is going back

1427
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 3: to the the sapphik undertones of the movie. In that

1428
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 3: same interview that we've referenced before with screenwriter Lizzie Weiss

1429
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 3: from Monster children dot Com, the interviewer asks, by the way,

1430
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 3: many of my queer friends wanted me to tell you

1431
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 3: that you caused their gay awakening, and Lizzie responds with,

1432
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 3: that's so funny. I guess that's something. If I were

1433
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:19,640
Speaker 3: to do it again today, that would be more in

1434
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 3: the conversation. Maybe i'd make eat and buy. I think

1435
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,759
Speaker 3: it'd probably feel more real and honest to that world

1436
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:31,919
Speaker 3: and our world and every world to mention that unquote Okay.

1437
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 5: Lizzie, Okay, maybe I'm glad she didn't take it on.

1438
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 4: I know it's like, let's get a new writer in

1439
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 4: the mix's done her part. Yeah, yeah, I think that's

1440
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 4: everything I have. Yeah, I would. I would be really

1441
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 4: interested If we have any native Hawaiian listeners that would

1442
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 4: like to weigh in, We would love to hear your

1443
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 4: thoughts on the legacy of this movie because it is uh,

1444
01:27:57,200 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 4: there's a lot going on. We've done our best to

1445
01:27:59,360 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 4: get into it.

1446
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 3: Yes, the movie does pass the Bechdel tests yea technically.

1447
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 3: Where Anne Marie talks to Eden and Lena and her

1448
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 3: sister Penny about surfing, she talks to different other the

1449
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 3: like pro surfer character slash real life athletes about surfing.

1450
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 3: There's just a lot of talk about waves and pipe

1451
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:30,680
Speaker 3: and surfboards. Eden makes her own surfboards. I don't know

1452
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 3: if she sells them, but we see her like crafting

1453
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:35,719
Speaker 3: aboard at the beginning, which.

1454
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 4: Is another thing lifted from the original piece that their

1455
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 4: coach does, which maybe does make more sense.

1456
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:42,600
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1457
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 4: I wasn't mad about it, but I did like that

1458
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 4: she is an all purpose surfer. She could do anything.

1459
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 3: She's crafty.

1460
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,040
Speaker 4: But it was like, let's give her an ambition. Does

1461
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 4: she want to open her own company? As that why

1462
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 4: she's so like it. It's not that I don't know, guys,

1463
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 4: We'll never know. We'll never know.

1464
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 3: We have to spend too much time on Matt.

1465
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 4: Matt, Bring back Matt. That would be so funny if

1466
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 4: they opened a like continuation of the story being like,

1467
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 4: Matt was hit by a meteor unfortunately moments after the

1468
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:15,680
Speaker 4: ending of Blue Crush one. But don't worry, we're all

1469
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 4: over it. Put an outrun.

1470
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 5: It not that great.

1471
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 4: I know, it turns out he was that good after all.

1472
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 3: But that meteor created huge waves for them to surf.

1473
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that was how we became surfing champions.

1474
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does pass the Bechdel test and then our

1475
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 3: nipple scale, where we rate the movie on a scale

1476
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 3: of zero to five nipples based on examining it through

1477
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 3: an intersectional feminist lens. You know, there's some stuff this

1478
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 3: movie does about end of sentence. There's you know, there

1479
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 3: is this acknowledgment of sexism in sports and how like

1480
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:03,599
Speaker 3: surfing is this boys club and all of these sexist

1481
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 3: men who are telling women that girls can't surf, and

1482
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:10,720
Speaker 3: it's you know, the women pushing back against that, and

1483
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 3: you know, it's there's not a whole lot of commentary

1484
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 3: specifically on the pressure and the burden that is put

1485
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:21,200
Speaker 3: on marginalized people to prove that they are just as

1486
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:25,920
Speaker 3: competent as their privileged counterparts. But we do see that

1487
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 3: happening in the movie, and we see Anne Marie being

1488
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 3: a good surfer and other women being good surfers, but

1489
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 3: the erasure and the villainization of Native Hawaiian culture throughout

1490
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:42,599
Speaker 3: the story and things of that nature.

1491
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:44,880
Speaker 4: I think I'm.

1492
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 3: Gonna give it two nipples. I'd say, let Eden be

1493
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 3: gay on screen.

1494
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:55,679
Speaker 4: Come on, come ont kill men.

1495
01:30:57,040 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 3: I'll give one nipple to know Lake who plays Lena,

1496
01:31:03,320 --> 01:31:11,760
Speaker 3: and I'll give my other nipple too. That close shot

1497
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 3: on Kate Bosworth's eyes where you see that she has

1498
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 3: one blue eye and one brown eye.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like, oh, I remember that was like her whole

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Speaker 4: That was how she was sold to the world, which

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Speaker 4: is unfair to her because she's talented, But I remember

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Speaker 4: that being like a huge like, oh my god, she's

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01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 4: not like other girls. She's a hot blonde with two

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01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 4: different colored eyes.

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Speaker 5: Even the DVD commentary, they took a moment to really.

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Speaker 4: Get it to be like get sink like, let it

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01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:44,120
Speaker 4: sink in, Let it sink in. Girls. This is diversity, people.

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01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:47,479
Speaker 4: I think that that is two thousand and two diversity. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna give this what was your ranking name.

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01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 3: I give it two nipples.

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01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 4: I'm gonna meet either. I think I'm like tempted to

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01:31:58,240 --> 01:32:01,640
Speaker 4: go lower because I hate Natt's so much. I might

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Speaker 4: go on it. I don't know, but I know that

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01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:05,840
Speaker 4: this is a seminal movie for a lot of people.

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01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 4: I'll give it to you because of the potential, because

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01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 4: there was a script that didn't suck. Because technically this

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01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 4: is a story about women that was adapted by women,

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01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 4: but they were white women who had no experience in

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01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:24,719
Speaker 4: the communities they were writing about, and so you sort

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01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 4: of lose. So it just it's a very two thousand

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01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:31,439
Speaker 4: and two predicament we find ourselves in. We've talked about

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01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:33,840
Speaker 4: this a lot still, I still feel like there was

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01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:35,640
Speaker 4: so much research to do for this episode that I

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Speaker 4: didn't get to everything that I would have liked to.

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Speaker 4: I feel the same, But this is the same movie

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01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:44,599
Speaker 4: is like a third wave feminist girl power commercial movie.

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01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:49,000
Speaker 4: It's and while there is you know, I think a

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01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 4: lot nostalgically to love it is so disconnected from the

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01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:57,640
Speaker 4: culture it pretends to be partaking in and appropriating that

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01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 4: and just let eat and be gay. I'm going to

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01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:04,560
Speaker 4: give it two nipples and I'm going to give I

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01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:09,680
Speaker 4: mean to give them to the young queer people of

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01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:12,880
Speaker 4: the early two thousands who had to really fight for

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Speaker 4: their lives to see themselves in this movie. Thank yous

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Speaker 4: are for you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah or just I want to give this movie snaps

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01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:26,880
Speaker 5: for the opportunities that it ultimately like presented but missed

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Speaker 5: some feeling.

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01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:31,240
Speaker 4: Right now, it's a moment of silence.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do you have a nipple rating?

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01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:35,719
Speaker 4: Melody?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you have to give it like something the two

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01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 5: yeah two average sure women are if like two is

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01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 5: are ready for?

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01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 4: Women are in it.

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01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 5: Women are technically evolved in the production for passing the

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01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 5: test on a technicality.

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Speaker 4: But that's about all we can say. I just even

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01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:55,599
Speaker 4: just killing Matt with a meteor at the very end,

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01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 4: hitting them in with a bus Regina Jarge style, come on,

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01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 4: come on something something.

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01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:03,400
Speaker 5: I thought of Regina, I thought of mean girls when

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01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:07,799
Speaker 5: she is in that fight with Lena and she basically

1554
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 5: does that line where she's like, I'm sorry, you're so

1555
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 5: obsessed with me and like Genesee and another queer coded character,

1556
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:25,479
Speaker 5: the femme more acceptable conventional girls like ah god, like

1557
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 5: get off, like the one who's just trying to get

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01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 5: her to see what's real and important pushed to the side.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Melodie, thank you so much for joining us,

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01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 3: for this, for having me.

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Speaker 5: This has been impactful. Rewatch this discussion.

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Speaker 4: We're sorry for processing for a while.

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01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:50,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry for Bechtel casting you.

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01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 4: It's our job. It's our job to ruin your favorite movie.

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01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:55,360
Speaker 5: I'm not going to be quoting it. I'm not going

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01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 5: to be quoting it every speech this summer. No, I'm

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01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:01,120
Speaker 5: gonna actually rep man to anyone who does.

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01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:05,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can, you can actually innocent people at the beach.

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Speaker 3: Yeah sure? Where can people follow you? On social media?

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01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:14,599
Speaker 3: Plug away, take.

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01:35:14,439 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 5: A little break from it. I'm there, I'll be I'm

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Speaker 5: gonna make a comeback. It's gonna be so good. There's

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01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:27,080
Speaker 5: stuff there at Melody Kamalie on all social media. I

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Speaker 5: also did host a podcast called Dyking Out and there's

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01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:38,519
Speaker 5: some good feminist discussion there. And congrats to the Alison

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Speaker 5: Bechdel interview. We had her on and I feel like

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01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:43,920
Speaker 5: she liked you guys so much more as we were

1578
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:47,000
Speaker 5: just trying desperately, I think, to get her to laugh

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01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 5: or to like us because we're stand up comedians like that.

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01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway, she's very low key.

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01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:58,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, but we we deem ourselves with Rosi o'donald. That's

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01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:03,479
Speaker 5: a good episode to check out if you'd like. But otherwise, yeah,

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01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:08,439
Speaker 5: happy to hear any criticisms of my criticism in my

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01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:09,560
Speaker 5: dms there if you'd like.

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01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:18,800
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Speaker 4: And with that, anyone want to go kill a professional

1592
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:45,160
Speaker 4: football player?

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01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:49,280
Speaker 5: Anyone want to go listen to pod right now?

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01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:53,759
Speaker 4: To you the Nation?

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Speaker 3: Oh Iconic, Yes, b B by bye. The Bechdelcast is

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