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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning, the Breakfast Club Morning.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's DJ Envy, Jess, Hilarrys, Charlamagne and the guy. We

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Speaker 2: are the Breakfast Club lawn, the roaster filling in for jests.

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Speaker 1: And we got a special guest in the building. Indeed,

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Speaker 1: we got Jalil White. Welcome.

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Speaker 3: What's up? Okay, how you feeling, man, I'm doing great, man, Man,

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Speaker 3: good morning.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you, but we'll see you.

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Speaker 4: Brother.

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Speaker 5: You got your new book, Growing Up Arcle a memoir.

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Speaker 5: Why you do the eighties nineties R and B cover

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Speaker 5: on the front.

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Speaker 4: This is even eighties, like seventy.

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Speaker 1: Early eighties, early eighties. That's the Mike Jacksons the whitest post.

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Speaker 3: You know. I did it because for anybody who's a

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Speaker 3: fan of the Stefan character, they know that he was

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Speaker 3: debuted in a white suit.

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Speaker 4: I said that when I first thought, I said, this

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Speaker 4: is the fund said he.

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Speaker 3: Was debuted in a white suit. And then I love

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Speaker 3: having fun on Instagram anyway. And Instagram has that meme

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Speaker 3: that has all four of the of the greats. There

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Speaker 3: was like Luther vandrus H Litel, Richie, Teddy Pedagras, Michael, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they all Michael actually hit it last, but of course

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Speaker 3: he hit it the biggest. So for a black man

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Speaker 3: in the eighties or born around that period, when you

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Speaker 3: put that picture on the front, it just means, hey,

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Speaker 3: the contents are fire, but nobody even notices.

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Speaker 1: On the back, I actually see you jumping around.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And on the back I give you the high

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Speaker 3: water pants and the ercle shoes and nobody even noticed. Nobody.

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Speaker 4: You don't got the glasses on it? Yes, probably so

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Speaker 4: you don't mind being caused to funt.

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Speaker 3: It's not even about mind. It is Stefan saved my life.

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Speaker 3: Like just black women everywhere just choose to call me

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Speaker 3: to it.

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Speaker 6: When he walked in, I I was like, oh my

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Speaker 6: god lit up when you walked in. Does that happen

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Speaker 6: to you all the time? And you were like yeah,

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Speaker 6: because when you walked in, I instantly remember you walking

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Speaker 6: on the screen and be like, oh shoot, like I

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Speaker 6: heard the music and everything that that is.

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Speaker 1: Watch the music that I love it.

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Speaker 3: They with black women in particular, but on the twenty

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Speaker 3: four episodes out of two hundred and fifteen that I did,

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Speaker 3: they only keep it on Stepan and they would just

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Speaker 3: relieved that I wasn't really like that.

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Speaker 5: I've always loved your story though, because you know you

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Speaker 5: already epitted me of you know, taking advantage of a moment.

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Speaker 5: He's an opportunity, right, because you were so only supposed

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Speaker 5: to be on one.

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Speaker 1: Episode the Family.

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Speaker 3: How'd that happen again, Charlamagne? I was I was just

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Speaker 3: a black kid at one of the saga Jensis. It

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Speaker 3: really wasn't that deep. My dad told me that I

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Speaker 3: could get one of anything whenever I got a job,

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Speaker 3: because I was resisting going on auditions at this point.

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Speaker 3: I was five foot four of me was ready to

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Speaker 3: play basketball. We don't get in basketball talks at some point,

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Speaker 3: and I really wasn't. I wasn't booking jobs at age

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Speaker 3: twelve too much because a lot of the stereotypical roles

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Speaker 3: I just wasn't fitting it. My profile. Like I said

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Speaker 3: at Braceist, I'm five foot four and I saw this

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Speaker 3: this job.

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Speaker 1: What was it? What was it?

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Speaker 4: What did it say?

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Speaker 3: The description I included in the book was just, you know,

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Speaker 3: nerdy character. As matter of fact, I was described as

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Speaker 3: a Rick Moranis type. So that just shows you what

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Speaker 3: the writer's room was already doing. The cast of a

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Speaker 3: actually read that literally, and then I went and got

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Speaker 3: the Best of Saturday Night Live VHS tape that we

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Speaker 3: had in our house, and I found Ed Grimley and

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Speaker 3: I basically was doing a black kid's version of Ed Grimley.

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Speaker 3: And it wasn't really a good impersonation, quite frankly, but

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Speaker 3: because nobody thought that was my inspiration, it became it

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Speaker 3: became mine.

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Speaker 4: You can't trademark, uh.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to say a character, because I'm sure

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Speaker 5: you can trade our character, but the mannerisms of a character.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's a voice?

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Speaker 4: Did I do that? Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: We only think about this stuff in America?

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Speaker 1: Man, did you get the second Genesis?

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Speaker 2: I was always curious did you want to act?

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Speaker 3: Acting? It was just something that I just did natural,

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Speaker 3: I mean joining this. I was three, so you know,

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Speaker 3: did you want to do anything that your parents got?

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Speaker 3: You started when you were three? It was just it

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Speaker 3: just came naturally. I didn't resist it, and I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 3: Of course. You always joined and enjoyed getting a day

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Speaker 3: around the age of twelve, I didn't really want to

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Speaker 3: act and well I wanted to play play basketball. But

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Speaker 3: once I got the show, then I started getting reps

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Speaker 3: in at a different pace. And now, once you get

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Speaker 3: I remember the exact episode where I'm like, oh, this

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Speaker 3: is fun and this audience is my toy. And the

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Speaker 3: episode is called the Big Fix where I took Lower

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Speaker 3: on a date for the first time because Eddie needed

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Speaker 3: to pay off a bet and I leveled this French restaurant. Now,

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Speaker 3: before we get to episode, yeah, that's the first episode

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Speaker 3: where I'm like, I can hear the audience different. I

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Speaker 3: can see it in my eyes when I watched the episode.

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Speaker 2: Before we get into that part of it, is it

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Speaker 2: true that you tried out for Rudy Huxtable Pot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did the route. That's what n ain't. Rudy

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Speaker 3: was poor boy. Oh wow, it was poor Boy. So

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Speaker 3: there was a debate there, and you know, he obviously

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Speaker 3: went out over the network at the end and and

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Speaker 3: Kisha got the roll and did you get Oh, it

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Speaker 3: came down to me and her.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 3: They auditioned us all day. I actually never forget that

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Speaker 3: audition because they brought in They always bring in like

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Speaker 3: two or three options for each role. But they put

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Speaker 3: us in one room for like several hours and kept

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Speaker 3: paaring us and going in and out, and I talk

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Speaker 3: about that book as well, and and then at the

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Speaker 3: end they said, hey, listen, we are pressed for time,

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Speaker 3: so we will take you. You, you, and you and

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Speaker 3: the rest of you. Thank you for coming out. So

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Speaker 3: you had all these crying kids just pouring out of

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Speaker 3: remember my mom was like she just had a huge

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Speaker 3: reaction to that. She was like, do you ever react

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Speaker 3: like that to losing an audition again?

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Speaker 1: Are you cry?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Every I mean, that's a cold way to lose a

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Speaker 3: job when you're seven years old?

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Speaker 7: Did you really understand it to be picked right in front?

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Speaker 3: And I've been right in front because generally it happened.

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Speaker 3: You know, your agent will call you or your agent

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Speaker 3: didn't call you. And my mom was never the type

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Speaker 3: to call the agent also and be like did we

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Speaker 6: And a lot of parents do that, But did you

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Speaker 6: really understand at seven years old? Like, oh my god,

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Speaker 6: I'm losing this job. This is like what this could be.

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Speaker 6: You were just like a kid and it was like no,

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Speaker 3: No, Well, we were supposed to move to New York,

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Speaker 3: so they were. They had already talked to my parents

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Speaker 3: out how to do this from New York. They had

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Speaker 3: practically said the job is yours, and then a little

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Speaker 3: stuff all the time. Now that I'm an adult and I

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Speaker 3: fan of the show, right, so you're looking at the

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Speaker 3: show and it's like, oh man, that could have been me. Right,

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Speaker 3: you're doing that, but that passes too.

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Speaker 4: Especially when you end up with your own iconic role

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Speaker 4: in the future.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even look at it that way, seriously, I

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Speaker 3: just during that time, Sean. I'm telling you, Matt, it's

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Speaker 3: wild to watch Fame now because everybody kind of believes

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Speaker 3: come easy to them. But back then, like you know,

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Speaker 3: if you got a chance to meet Magic Johnson, you

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Speaker 3: were inaccessible, they were all talented, they were you know,

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Speaker 3: they there was an aura. Literally. I remember the time

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Speaker 3: and it's different now, it really is. So you didn't

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Speaker 4: Now, I don't think that. I don't think there is

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Speaker 3: Oh now, no celebrity has completely been deluded.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it really is.

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Speaker 3: I'll disagree and say, there's still some people who have it.

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Speaker 3: I can you know, I can see it. There's some

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Speaker 3: affect the room, you know what I'm saying. Like even

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Speaker 3: when Will Smith used to come in for the NBA

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Speaker 3: All Star Games, Like when Will was in the room

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Speaker 3: it was just different.

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Speaker 4: That's just aura though.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly so. But that's but that's traditional celebrity

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Speaker 3: this stuff. Now, Like I said, it's just it can

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Speaker 3: feel real temporary and it's like you ain't got the

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Speaker 3: it factor, but but you got the light on you.

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Speaker 2: The cast like you because you went from just supposed

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Speaker 1: So did they like it? There had to be some

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Speaker 1: resentment a little bit. It's like a nerdy kid coming

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Speaker 3: Like I said, it was weird at first. The kids

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Speaker 3: their parents are even saying. And you know, when you're

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Speaker 3: you're just gonna follow suit that. But Darius and Kelly

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Speaker 3: and I and we became we became like brothers and sisters.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's that's our puberty. So I just feel

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Speaker 3: like the division really kind of took place more along

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Speaker 6: Do you think that it was weird during that time

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Speaker 6: like that you knew like you were very well aware

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Speaker 6: as a kid that like you were becoming the star

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Speaker 6: of the show, but you had to do so much

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Speaker 6: stuff to kind of like not act like you knew that.

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Speaker 6: Like even in the book you talk about like how

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Speaker 6: the introductions were on the show, and your agent would

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Speaker 3: That the James bottom line. They just said no jeans

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Speaker 6: I feel like you said that in private, like you

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Speaker 4: About your son's boat.

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Speaker 2: While so so things changed on the set because you

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Speaker 2: So how was that change?

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Speaker 3: You know, that's the whole there's a whole thing. It

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Speaker 3: No, no, I'm saying at hood school, you can't, you know,

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Speaker 3: You know, you're not gonna play me like that. I

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Speaker 3: I wasn't that. I wasn't reminded if we had that.

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Speaker 3: So I was just like, this is easy. I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: You know what.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying that that's great.

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Speaker 2: It's awkward exactly exactly, but did you wish you got

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Speaker 1: I remember, you remember the first time I met No,

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Speaker 3: That's when you have to remind me. Nicks Camp. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, his parents put him in, so why would

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Speaker 3: I told you anybody could get it, not I was.

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Speaker 2: The braceist want to say, you know him, you were

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Speaker 3: I love seeing this dynamic because no one should ever

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't say I was, you know, the classes races, I was.

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Speaker 3: Let me help you out. Any black man who didn't

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Speaker 4: That's true.

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Speaker 2: They called me metal mouth in whole bunch of things.

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: And I would remember.

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Speaker 2: I was like, damn, is this happened all the time

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Speaker 1: So I was wondering if that always happened?

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Speaker 3: Well, when you hooping like people try you. You know

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Speaker 3: So in between those lines, that's why I'm like, I

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Speaker 3: I didn't have a history of getting into a bunch

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Speaker 3: Lost a lot of them remember, And that means I

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Speaker 5: And saw beating up like nobody get at.

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Speaker 7: A meeting and he started seeing He said, either I'm

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Speaker 1: People, which was where was you? I was riding work right?

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 3: You know another thing you're talking, But you didn't tell

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Speaker 1: Now you was? You was good.

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Speaker 2: You were surprisingly good because everybody, everybody thought the nerve

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Speaker 1: We could tell that you play boy, But I remember

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Speaker 1: you scrapping.

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Speaker 7: What would point guard position?

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Speaker 4: You play point?

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Speaker 6: Okay, So, because even in your book you talk about

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Speaker 3: My dress room was cool addressing you.

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Speaker 7: Really wanted to go to the NBA like that was

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Speaker 3: Was about going in. I was a huge I mean listen,

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Speaker 5: Man.

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00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,680
Speaker 3: It landed on your life. It was it was everything

445
00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,439
Speaker 3: got you. So I you know, once I started gaining

446
00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,600
Speaker 3: some influence, you know, you could do certain things. And

447
00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,600
Speaker 3: the set decorated for our show transformed the second room

448
00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,280
Speaker 3: in my dressing room into an actual NBA locker room.

449
00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,679
Speaker 3: So I had all the different lockers and you know

450
00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,400
Speaker 3: that's where I would change and get ready for the show.

451
00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,280
Speaker 4: Wow, you know, did you get paid? Did you make

452
00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:14,280
Speaker 4: money money back then?

453
00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, you had. You made very good money back then.

454
00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,399
Speaker 3: But the numbers back then just they don't compare it

455
00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,280
Speaker 3: to numbers now inflation. It's one of my favorite things

456
00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,520
Speaker 3: I actually have. Is is my first time I ever

457
00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,879
Speaker 3: said on the court. I kept the ticket stub and

458
00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,399
Speaker 3: I kept them with magic shoes when he gave them

459
00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,440
Speaker 3: to me after the game, and every now and then

460
00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,280
Speaker 3: I'll just I'll still look at those type of ticket stuff.

461
00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,640
Speaker 3: Guess how much. In nineteen ninety one, the face value

462
00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,119
Speaker 3: of a Laker game on the court was versus San

463
00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:43,360
Speaker 3: Antonio Spurs.

464
00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,720
Speaker 5: Three fifty price maybe close to a thousand, maybe seven hundred,

465
00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:47,160
Speaker 5: eight hundred.

466
00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:52,080
Speaker 3: This man knows basketball for twenty five twenty five that's crazy, right,

467
00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,040
Speaker 3: and so yeah for a floor. So that so when

468
00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,040
Speaker 3: you put that in perspective, nineteen ninety one, four hundred

469
00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,600
Speaker 3: and twenty five dollars face value on the ticket to

470
00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,840
Speaker 3: sit on the court, and you see what inflation is now.

471
00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,560
Speaker 3: It really is like I remember that teaching me about

472
00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:11,919
Speaker 3: inflation was like WHOA, something's happening here because there's two inflations.

473
00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,560
Speaker 3: This is the one they talk about to the country,

474
00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,399
Speaker 3: and the one they talk about is going on with

475
00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:16,680
Speaker 3: the people that's making all the money.

476
00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,000
Speaker 4: I love how you described throughout the book.

477
00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,240
Speaker 5: You describe yourself as a dedicated people pleaser, and you

478
00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,320
Speaker 5: said it was your mom who made you that way.

479
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:25,680
Speaker 4: Can you expound on that a little bit?

480
00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:26,119
Speaker 5: It?

481
00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,000
Speaker 3: Can? You know? It can be good and bad to

482
00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,840
Speaker 3: be a people pleaser because you got to learn how

483
00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,800
Speaker 3: to say You got to know how to set boundaries,

484
00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:33,920
Speaker 3: but then you got to also learn how to say

485
00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,560
Speaker 3: yes enough to catch blessings that are coming out of nowhere.

486
00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,560
Speaker 3: But for me, it's always been about the audience experience

487
00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,560
Speaker 3: that jacked me up. You know, we take in front

488
00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,399
Speaker 3: of a live studio audience every Friday, and man, I

489
00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,760
Speaker 3: look forward to that audience like you wouldn't believe. And

490
00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,280
Speaker 3: they just become your toy after a while. So, you know,

491
00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,960
Speaker 3: my mom will call me after a table reading, you know,

492
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,359
Speaker 3: every Tuesday, and it's like, what do you think of

493
00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,480
Speaker 3: the script this week? And I was Likeang, it's okay,

494
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,159
Speaker 3: you know. And then there would be certain weeks like

495
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,160
Speaker 3: the Bruce Lee week where I'm like, oh, no, get

496
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,480
Speaker 3: your tickets now, because sometimes she would have to play

497
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,280
Speaker 3: games to get a certain number of seats, and this

498
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,400
Speaker 3: especially with another opposite, another executive producer's wife, who would

499
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,159
Speaker 3: have hog a lot of seats and I'm like, no, no, no,

500
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,679
Speaker 3: go ahead and get your tickets for this one. I'm

501
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 3: gonna melt this one down. So it was just always

502
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:25,080
Speaker 3: about just, you know, everything celebrity came from a different

503
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,040
Speaker 3: place than it was about being excellent. It was about

504
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,440
Speaker 3: being on point. You know. We would shoot our show

505
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,879
Speaker 3: and we'd be done with a whole episode in like

506
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 3: just over two hours. And I was so proud of

507
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 3: that because everybody else on the lot, especially if they

508
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 3: had kids on their show, it would take. You know,

509
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 3: shows would take three and four hours and people wouldn't

510
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,440
Speaker 3: even be able to see the end of the show

511
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,639
Speaker 3: at times. But we've been now two hours flat. We

512
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 3: were done. So I'm just took proud of that, that

513
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 3: kind of stuff.

514
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 5: What about Julia when he's not, you know, performing, are

515
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 5: you still dealing with being people pleasing?

516
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,159
Speaker 3: No, not as much. You know, when you have a

517
00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 3: you have a daughter. At least when you have a

518
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,680
Speaker 3: kid and you enter the family dynamic, a lot of

519
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,399
Speaker 3: your values just changed. They shift overnight, at least they

520
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 3: did for me.

521
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 7: It was the biggest thing. They shifted for you overnight.

522
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 3: Oh man, I got a funny story on that one though. Actually,

523
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,200
Speaker 3: when you know, when single parents don't date, like single

524
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,639
Speaker 3: parents prospect, they don't, they don't date. It's different. And

525
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 3: I remember my boy was he told me to come

526
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,359
Speaker 3: out and meet him at the club. You know, he

527
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 3: had a he had a group. At this point, I'm

528
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 3: single dad, and and I hopped in my car and

529
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 3: at the time I drove asked to Martin Repeat, which

530
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 3: is at a four door, and so I pulled up

531
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 3: at the end and he comes walking over with three

532
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,199
Speaker 3: girls and it's like, yo, what we're doing. This is

533
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 3: before Uber? All right, it is before Uber?

534
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 1: What were doing?

535
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 3: Where were we headed? And then one of the girls just

536
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 3: reached for the back door and the baby seat was

537
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 3: in the back and the way them girls just jumped

538
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 3: back and all of the sudden it just threw off

539
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,439
Speaker 3: the whole chemistry for the rest of the night, and

540
00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 3: it was just like, uh, okay, what matters. More? As

541
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 3: a dad, I knew, I'm like, I'm not taking a

542
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 3: baby seat out. It's a painting the butt putting them

543
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 3: down baby, And any dad who has a baby knows that.

544
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 3: So it was like, well, that's just the way it's

545
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 3: gonna be. But that was a moment where I had

546
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,439
Speaker 3: to accept where I was just kind of like, she

547
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,360
Speaker 3: really comes first in every aspect of my life now,

548
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,400
Speaker 3: and uh, like it or not, even in times when

549
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 3: I want to be grown and sexy, it's going to

550
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 3: affect it.

551
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 5: You know what I wanted to did the cast members

552
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 5: on Family Matters what he was? It a level of

553
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 5: hate and jealousy and envynous viianus inbianus envenous are us.

554
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 3: It was you know what I mean, your chance to

555
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 3: get him are in hindsight, were you really difficult to work. No,

556
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 3: absolutely not, you know because Johnson said that. Okay, but okay,

557
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,719
Speaker 3: so let me make it easy for you. Then how

558
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 3: come how come you never heard that from the kids

559
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 3: Kelly speaks, there is everywhere is everywhere?

560
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: How come you never heard that?

561
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 4: Again?

562
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 3: You know it's it's you know, when you when you

563
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 3: leave a show. First of all, the difference between movies

564
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 3: start and the TV start is when your movie star,

565
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 3: you still a star, even if you don't have a

566
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 3: movie out. When you a TV star, unless you're on TV,

567
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 3: you're not a starting. And that's just the way the

568
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 3: business treats you. So I think people go through a

569
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 3: lot of personal traumas sometimes after a show is gone

570
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 3: off the air, divorces, investments, maybe they go right, et cetera,

571
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,719
Speaker 3: et cetera, And it causes people to look back on

572
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 3: things with, you know, kind of a jaded look. And

573
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 3: it was like, man, we had fun. We did. Even

574
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 3: the pictures I picked out for the book, you know,

575
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 3: I wanted to show pictures of us chilling, you know,

576
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 3: I wanted to show me Reggie and Darius, you know,

577
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 3: chilling in Paris. When we shot two episodes in Paris

578
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 3: We're the only black show to ever shoot in Europe.

579
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 3: That was a big deal. You know, we had this

580
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 3: I'll never forget. We had this giant, twelve thousand dollars

581
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 3: meal at the top of an Eiffel Tower as a cast. Oh,

582
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 3: I'm glad you asked. My mom took that bill and

583
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 3: handed the production because she had the clout to do that.

584
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 3: But Joe Burry's there, Reggie's there. Well, we was balling

585
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 3: at the top. But again you balling, So you know,

586
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 3: it's almost kind of like when you hear Scotty Pittman

587
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 3: talking about the Bulls. Now, it's like, Scotty, you can't

588
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 3: say nothing nice about the bulls. You nigga, here was

589
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 3: rock stars. You and Mike didn't kick it at all.

590
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 3: You should that's how you remember it.

591
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 6: Have you recently talked to any of the casts, because

592
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 6: I know Joe Maripay and like she had come out

593
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 6: and said that you guys had a little whatever.

594
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 4: That s whatitu is whyn't want to fight each other?

595
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like, can you first of all clarify that story

596
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 6: because that's just a wow.

597
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 3: No, there's just there's nothing to clarify. Like I'm talking

598
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 3: about a coworker of over thirty years ago, and I

599
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 3: was a minor. You don't think if there was any

600
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 3: validity of that, they wouldn't have come out.

601
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 7: I'm like, now, so nothing happened, I.

602
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 3: Mean, no, like, but I'm not I'm not getting it

603
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 3: back and forth. I'm sorry. I'm just doing too good

604
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 3: getting it back and forth. Well, you know, with a

605
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 3: woman who's over seventy and I've been trying to like

606
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 3: mentally ingrained to not fight with my elders, Like, all right,

607
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 3: if that's the way you saw it, cool, it.

608
00:24:58,800 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: Is what it is.

609
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 6: Well, she recently said on the stage, I think where

610
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 6: I forget where they were at, but the cast was

611
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 6: there and you weren't there, and she said that, like,

612
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 6: you know, she wished that you were there, and if

613
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 6: you were there, she would hug you, and she.

614
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 7: Kind of you know that whole thing.

615
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 3: So have y'all talked or why does what she have

616
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 3: to say hold so much more validity than what my

617
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 3: other cast members have to say. I'm just curious.

618
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 6: I think, Oh, I think that the age thing does

619
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 6: play a factor, but what you say, you know what

620
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 6: I mean? I think that definitely plays a factor as well.

621
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 6: But I think she's one of the first people that

622
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 6: alleged like the bad stuff that I saw come out

623
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 6: and be like, man, we should just hug it out.

624
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 7: I wanted to know. It made me wonder like, have

625
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 7: y'all talked? Like what changed?

626
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 3: So the people that I talked to regularly is Kelly

627
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 3: and Darius. And again I don't call them Laura Netty,

628
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 3: So I you know, I called Kelly about this book,

629
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 3: you know, and we spoke extensively, and you know, Kelly

630
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 3: called me two weeks ago. But it's weird for us.

631
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 3: By the way. Also when we go out and eat

632
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 3: or anything like that, you know, we like little back

633
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 3: rooms and stuff like exactly if people saw if people

634
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 3: saw me and Kelly just at Crustaceans in Beverly Hills,

635
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 3: what it tends to turn into a big Hey, can

636
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 3: I get a selfie fest? So you know, damn work on one.

637
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 3: Gotta So you know, we we keep it private. But

638
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 3: I have a very good relationship with all the cast

639
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 3: members who've ever wanted a relationship with me beyond the show.

640
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 3: And I don't have anything negative to say about Reggie.

641
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 3: When people ask me who is your favorite scene partner,

642
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 3: I'm like the chemistry I had with Reginald L. Johnson.

643
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 3: I remember the episode where it clicked for us. It's

644
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 3: called box Car Blues, when we were stuck in the

645
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 3: train together with all these cows and Steve is just

646
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 3: getting on his nerves, and you know, Reggie just couldn't

647
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: look at me without breaking up, without you know, without

648
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 3: breaking character. And we just we developed this amazing chemistry.

649
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 3: But adults are adults and they're going through adult things too.

650
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 3: And also I'm a kid. So you know what I'll

651
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 3: tell you one way, maybe I could have been annoying.

652
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 3: I dribbled my basketball everywhere everywhere. If I was in school,

653
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 3: did you let me? We need you? All? Said? Boomom boom?

654
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 3: Basketball basketball basketball. Adults get annoyed when a kid is

655
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 3: just dribbling and bouncing the ball all over the place.

656
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 3: Is that difficult?

657
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 4: How old you that?

658
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:04,719
Speaker 3: Talk about? Thirteen? Fourteen years old?

659
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I would feel like adults

660
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 5: would have a little bit more.

661
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 3: I'm approaching it from a very self where you know, standpoint.

662
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 3: So I'm like, okay, yeah, no, that's and I remember

663
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 3: Joyce Web, one of our script supervisors, be like, oh

664
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 3: here it comes with the basketball. It's like, okay, you know,

665
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, but if that's that that translates twenty five

666
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 3: years later to being difficult, I'll take it.

667
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: I want to talk about your first kiss.

668
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 2: Talk about your first kiss, because everybody was getting arrested

669
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: and nowadays if that.

670
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 4: Was so because he's a guy, Oh and only they

671
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 4: don't do that.

672
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 3: To guy exactly.

673
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: So break down your first kiss sixteen years old. On set.

674
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,959
Speaker 3: He's ahead of me on this one. No, we had

675
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 3: a we had a scene man, where you know, Steve

676
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 3: and Eddy get hot at the dice table and they're

677
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 3: rolling the dice and uh, this woman, you know, he's

678
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 3: supposed to give me a kiss, just planting one on

679
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 3: me before my last dice roll, and uh, during rehearsals

680
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 3: all we she had just pretty much given me a pack.

681
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 3: It was just a pack, yeah, because you just go

682
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 3: through the motions, but with that hot live studio audience there, man,

683
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 3: she just yoah, she gave me the whole she bang.

684
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 3: And so when I pulled back, this was your first

685
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 3: time because yeah, I had never kissed the girl.

686
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 7: I said, how did you know what to do?

687
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 3: No?

688
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: I didn't.

689
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 3: I wasn't First of all, I wasn't even planning for that.

690
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 3: I know, you're supposed to put your lips together, but

691
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 3: I didn't know that anything else was really supposed to

692
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: happen to them. Yeah, I wasn't. I wasn't seasoned. It was,

693
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 3: and so she does it, and my whole my thinking

694
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 3: at the time was do not break character. You do

695
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 3: not ruin a good take. You know, That's what you

696
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 3: just kind of taught as as a comedic actor and

697
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 3: as a kid. And so when I went to my

698
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 3: dressing room, I just kind of involuntarily tears start coming

699
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 3: down my face because I was just like, that was weird.

700
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 3: And then my dad corners me and he's like, what's wrong.

701
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 3: Exact the producer comes back, like what's wrong? And it

702
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: was just like, you know, like she put her tongue

703
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 3: in my mouth.

704
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: I surprised your mother, and you know, so funny.

705
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 3: Everybody says that, but it was like my father was

706
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 3: present and was dealing with the issue, so there was

707
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 3: no reason to inject. And once it was revealed what happened,

708
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 3: they all started laughing.

709
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 4: The moment.

710
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: My dad's my.

711
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 3: Dad's left, No, do not find this woman, do not

712
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 3: troll this woman at all. No, I'm serious, because it's

713
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 3: like that's one of the things that I'm very protective

714
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: of is, you know, we have to embrace what double

715
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 3: standards were lead them in the past. But it's okay,

716
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 3: like I can laugh at it. I'm saying, like from

717
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 3: the time that it happened to my dad and the

718
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 3: executive producer coming in to me walking back out on

719
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 3: stage to do now the next scenes, even the hot

720
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 3: the crew Hot five, she put it on you, young fella.

721
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 3: You hung in there, you did your thing, and it

722
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 3: was like it was very clear to me. All the

723
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 3: signals that I was getting was that might have been

724
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 3: yucky the way it went down, but apparently I'm going

725
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 3: to get a lot more of that. So Cheesemo says, yeah, okay,

726
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: all right, go with the flow.

727
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 5: What about the trauma you went through because it was

728
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 5: immediately after that scene they told you that you can't

729
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 5: wear pants anymore?

730
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: You know what I see, I see how you do

731
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: it here.

732
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 4: You know what else I want to know? It was

733
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 4: black Hollywood more of a community back then.

734
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 5: Ah, could you tell a story in the book about

735
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 5: you know, connecting with Malcolm Jamal warning Yeah, and putting

736
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 5: you in the afternoth commercial and.

737
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 4: You know, your mom being your mom being a fan

738
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 4: of Malcolm. So I don't know if he.

739
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: Was the extent the extent to which Black Hollywood was

740
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 3: putting each other on, I won't say was more of

741
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 3: a community. Uh, there are specific people who put a

742
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: lot of people on, like Ice Q put a lot

743
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 3: of people on, absolutely like that dude, just like John

744
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 3: Singleton put a lot of people on, like he identified talent.

745
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 3: That's really the dream I kind of have for myself

746
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 3: because I picked that up back then of being able

747
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 3: to recognize other talent and be like, well you got it,

748
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 3: you got it, and that that's a pay it forward joy.

749
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 3: That's separate and apart from from actually being the focus.

750
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 3: But but back then, because there was just a lack

751
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 3: of you know, cell phone communication and social media wasn't

752
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 3: what it was. The connections were made more organically. You know.

753
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 3: You you wrote a number down, you gave it to somebody,

754
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 3: you know, and yeah, so I will say that, I

755
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: will say it was just I don't know, it was different.

756
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 3: Helped me out on this because I feel like we

757
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 3: connected on this community. It definitely was. But I'm saying

758
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 3: to the extent that I could count on somebody having

759
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 3: the power to give me a job. No, no, not

760
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: not that at all. But to the extent of walking

761
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 3: in the room and seeing to Sheena Arnold and Tisha

762
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 3: Campbell and they're like, oh yeah, it was like okay, yes, yes, absolutely,

763
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 3: you know. And and there was also a sense of

764
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 3: like like being a part of an exclusive club, you

765
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. It was like you didn't walk

766
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 3: into a room and see another black TV star and

767
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: just sit at your table and just be like, oh,

768
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 3: he's over there. You typically were gonna get up and

769
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 3: you were gonna you know, you were gonna greet each other,

770
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 3: address each other, and probably exchange information.

771
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 6: Was that because there wasn't a lot of people, like

772
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 6: it was just like you guys with a cream and

773
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 6: or crop.

774
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 7: It wasn't a lot.

775
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 3: It wasn't even like there was you know what we're

776
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 3: missing now is everything is niche program, so very few

777
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 3: people are always talking about the same thing at the

778
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 3: same time. Like today, all anybody's talking about from a

779
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 3: cultural standpoint is Mike Tyson's ass cheeks because we all

780
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 3: saw that at the same time, so, you know exactly,

781
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 3: So it was like even the step fan moment where

782
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: it was just like a lot of black families saw

783
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 3: that at the same time when it airs, so they

784
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 3: calling each other on each other for a girl. You

785
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: got to see him in his white suit. So it's

786
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 3: a different connection back there, man. And I'm like, yeah, special.

787
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 2: Do you get tired of the Steve Verrkle character, because

788
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: I'm sure people have to come with you all the

789
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: time and be like the Saalne.

790
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 5: Well in the book you say nothing makes you happier

791
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 5: and than when somebody recognized you as julil Well.

792
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 3: That makes me happy, you know when that happens. And

793
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 3: I kind of got saved by millennials. You know, the

794
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 3: Google A has helped me, It really has. I can

795
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: hear ton and I try to talk about that in

796
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: the books. So you know, if a Southern grandmother comes

797
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 3: up to me and and she's you know, referencing a character,

798
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 3: that doesn't bother me as much as compared to some

799
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: guys in a bar who you know, they're having a

800
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 3: sausage press in the corner and we're doing well over

801
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 3: here and they want to bring light to that, and okay,

802
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 3: I see what you're doing. Now that's those are two

803
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 3: completely different things in terms of being tired of the

804
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 3: characters that we're doing well over here. Basically we got

805
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 3: all the ladies, every single lady. All right, you know

806
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So that that that that that that

807
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 3: part is obvious, what the dichotomy is there. But people

808
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 3: come up to me for a variety of different reasons.

809
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: Man like your man outside, he was just like, yo,

810
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 3: I know about the ericle stuff, but I'm here for sonic.

811
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 3: He's I did the voice of Soign of the Hedgehog

812
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 3: for one hundred episodes, and that lands hugely with a

813
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: lot of people. I did two episodes of Psych that

814
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 3: people just love those two episodes of Psych. So for me,

815
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 3: it's a conveyor belt of people acknowledging me for different things.

816
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 3: And as you get older, like I said, well, my

817
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 3: focus being on my daughter. I'm a game show host.

818
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 3: Now I'm just like, look, as long as you pleasant

819
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: and you chill, and you respectful of my family and

820
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 3: my environment. I just love being known for a good reason,

821
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 3: because in this day and age, you could be known

822
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 3: for a real sucker reason any day.

823
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: Like it's wild the sucker reason you.

824
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 3: Could be known for.

825
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 5: You know, it's interesting what you said, even about being

826
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 5: a black people all can coming down on one moment

827
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 5: because I think about that even with you as a star, right,

828
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 5: like you have to be a certain caliber star for

829
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 5: us to know your real name, right, you know what

830
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 5: I'm saying, Like like for you for you to play

831
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 5: earcle so well that we know who Jalil White is,

832
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 5: that sys a lot.

833
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 3: I appreciate. You.

834
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 6: Know What's crazy though, for a long time meye, because

835
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 6: I was so young, I didn't know that je Little

836
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 6: White was your real name.

837
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 7: I thought that that was another person I did, but

838
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 7: I was so young, I was confused.

839
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,959
Speaker 6: I thought it was and then I knew the ste fine,

840
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 6: And when I started hearing your Little White, I'm like, oh,

841
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 6: maybe this is another persona that he's taking off.

842
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 7: And then I got old enough.

843
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 6: To really understand like characters and like it not being

844
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 6: really you and like all that, and I was like, oh, okay,

845
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 6: that was just like a me moment.

846
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm just glad the light went on. Thank you.

847
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 3: Speaking but speaking of right, you got the ennef.

848
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 7: My aol dollar back in them days.

849
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 6: Okay, speaking of though, I know in the book you

850
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 6: talk about the meeting that you had with the exactly

851
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 6: about the remak, er, the spin off, the reboot, your

852
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 6: version that you wanted to happen, in my opinion, was

853
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 6: way better. I don't know if you want to say it.

854
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 6: You want people to read the book, but it was

855
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 6: way better than what they had pitched to you. We

856
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 6: are I mean, I guess we have to talk about

857
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 6: it because I want to know that. Will we ever

858
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 6: get that?

859
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 3: And can you?

860
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 7: Could you do that on your own?

861
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 4: Listen?

862
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: First of all, you can't do it on your own.

863
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: You know.

864
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: That's the thing about television that people have to respect.

865
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 3: It's you know, it's the It's the only art form

866
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 3: I feel that still has gatekeeping still very much in place.

867
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 3: And you can either be bitter about it or you

868
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 3: can fight the good fight and look for the person

869
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 3: that's gonna be your champion. That's just it is what

870
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 3: it is. I was never offered a reboot. I always

871
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 3: want to make that very clear, and even my vision

872
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 3: for the show that I have, it's not about me.

873
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: It's about three dimensional characters that would actually resonate and translate.

874
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty four, because I worked for the producers

875
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 3: who coined the phrase jump the shark, Fonzie jumped the shark.

876
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 3: He jumped over a shark, right, those are my producers,

877
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 3: the exact same producers, So you're not going to invite

878
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 3: me to jump the shark again. I was offered a

879
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 3: blind contract and half my pay of what I got

880
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 3: for the last episode, and there was no consideration. I mean,

881
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 3: there was no consideration given to the adults that actually,

882
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 3: you know, have such a large opinion over what terms

883
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 3: they would return to. I'm like the way they were

884
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 3: being discussed was, well, you know, Hard and Carl will

885
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 3: come by and they'll visit the new family every now

886
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 3: and then, Like Hollywood doesn't really They engage talent when

887
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 3: they need talent, they pay talent when they need talent.

888
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 3: And this isn't even a black thing. I don't want

889
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 3: this to turn into a black thing. I'll hear guys

890
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 3: like Chris Pine or whatever, who's you know, He's like,

891
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 3: I don't know what they're going to do next with

892
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 3: Star Trek, Like I love playing the character, but when

893
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 3: they call me, they called me, so I'd love the

894
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 3: opportunity to make the show that I envisioned. That was

895
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 3: never turned down, It was never pitched. I was just

896
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 3: offered a blind contract and around that they were going

897
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 3: to develop the reboots.

898
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 6: There were two versions, though, correct me if I'm wrong, right,

899
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 6: because you said one of them you wanted to do

900
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 6: like what's the Netflix show with the kid.

901
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 7: The little kid that we follow is super smart? Yes,

902
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 7: young Sheldon?

903
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.

904
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 6: There was one version that was kind of going to

905
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 6: be like the young Sheldon from like a different perspective.

906
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 6: And then there was another version where it would be

907
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 6: you and now you're an adult and you are in

908
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 6: a relationship, but then Myra is still around at that

909
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 6: point or something wasn't there.

910
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 3: I'll simplify it, you know. I really feel like it

911
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 3: could be like a Young Rock to be quite honest.

912
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 3: The only difference is, you know, imagine if they Young

913
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 3: Rocket started off famous and then gets into reality. You know,

914
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 3: you still want to keep it light, you know what

915
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 3: I'm saying. But I just I just if you do

916
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 3: a half hour comedy, where are the story's gonna come from?

917
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 7: You know what?

918
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 3: You they literally just choose to make it up back

919
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 3: in the day, you know, and they would take stories too,

920
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 3: from old sitcoms and Happy Days whatever. They dust them

921
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 3: off and they just you know, update them a little bit.

922
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 3: You can't do that in twenty twenty four. You're gonna

923
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 3: watch for one episode and you're gonna turn that off.

924
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: I asked a reporter recently. I said, well, in the

925
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: traditional reboot that everybody thinks that they want, where Steve

926
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 3: and Laura get married and have a kid that's just

927
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 3: like Arkle, would you watch that? And he said yeah.

928
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 3: For about four minutes, I said, Okay, thank you for

929
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 3: being honest with me. If I do anything, I am

930
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 3: an advocate of kids. I see exactly how young performers

931
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 3: get derailed. I want to push the agenda. I want

932
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 3: to push the legend for a kid to come play

933
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 3: a future version of me, whatever that turns out to be.

934
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 3: That kid's got to be able to get invited to

935
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 3: the Golden Globes. That kid's got to be able to

936
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 3: get invited to the Emmys, and he can't look back

937
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 3: as me and looking back at me and I'm a

938
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 3: stain on his career. You know what I'm saying. It's

939
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 3: like I will point this out, but I won't say

940
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 3: names because I don't want to even make them feel bad.

941
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 3: But like the kids on Fuller House, they don't work

942
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 3: Fuller House. The reboots, they don't work. The adults that

943
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 3: put them in that role, they knew they wouldn't work

944
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 3: in prestige television, in prestige film because now casting directors

945
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 3: will say, oh, all those are the kids from Fuller House.

946
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 3: We want somebody a fresh face, etc. Etc. And I

947
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 3: promise you, as parents and as kids, they didn't go

948
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 3: into that project thinking that that was going to be

949
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 3: a blight on their career as soon as the show

950
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 3: was over. They didn't go into that. I want to

951
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 3: make sure anybody that I work with, no, they go

952
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 3: in with open eyes. This is what we stand to achieve.

953
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 3: And it was so awesome watching Will Smith give it

954
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 3: up to Quincy Jones after all these years when Quincy passed,

955
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 3: because Quincy touched his life in a positive way with

956
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 3: The Fresh Prince, he never had to look back on

957
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 3: The Fresh Prince like it was this show he needed

958
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: to get away from. So I don't know. That's my

959
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 3: take on what I feel about reboots and opportunity.

960
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: Let me ask you.

961
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask, was that a stain on your

962
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: career where you had to lose racle because people always

963
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: looked at you when you did roles.

964
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 3: Again, I don't look at it as I've never stopped working.

965
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: It's a tough business just to work in, you know.

966
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 3: Is it easier for some with better reps and different imaging.

967
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

968
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 3: When I think of Harry Potter or Al Bundy, I

969
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: think about those guys in those characters, but they had

970
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 3: better reps in different images, and it hasn't slowed them

971
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 3: down at all as far as the tgif people are concerned,

972
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 3: I like where I've landed. You know, I've I've never

973
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 3: stopped working. Have I have always gotten the dream job

974
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: that I wanted? No, But I talk about it in

975
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 3: the book. A couple of jobs want in particular, that

976
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 3: I wanted that went on to become the worst that year.

977
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 3: It's like, WHOA, be careful what you want? So I

978
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 3: just I don't know it. Like I said, when my

979
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 3: daughter got here, man, a lot of stuff just crystallized

980
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 3: for me that it was like, Yo, let's go out here,

981
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 3: let's be a working dad, and it's a beautiful thing

982
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 3: to come home with a check to take care of

983
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 3: your kid, and you're doing it in a way where

984
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 3: you don't have to give up your damn dignity.

985
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 4: That's right. You mentioned though, Will Smith.

986
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,479
Speaker 5: Will Smith, you said, was the first influential black person

987
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 5: to hire you to do something outside of family.

988
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 4: Matt, Yeah, break that down. How did you have a relationship.

989
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 3: Well, I would see I had seen Will. You know,

990
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 3: I would always cross paths with it, with NBA stuff,

991
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 3: and you know, Will Will invite me to the office everything.

992
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 3: When he was his offices on Third Street. I saw

993
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 3: Will coming a mile away, just like I could identify,

994
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 3: you know, just like I talked about ICEQB identifying talent

995
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. And I will actually just share

996
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 3: the story as a matter of fact that I'm like, oh,

997
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 3: I never would have shared that enough to violate your privacy.

998
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 3: But I remember Charlie Mack having me over to his

999
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 3: dressing room when he was shooting four, and I was

1000
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 3: just a curious dude. I love reading scripts. I loved

1001
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 3: just devouring film. And I was in his dressing room

1002
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 3: and he had a script on the table and I

1003
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 3: asked to go. I was checking it out, and he said, oh,

1004
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 3: that's just another sci fi movie. And I'm I'm not

1005
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 3: gonna do another sci fi movie after this one. And

1006
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: I went to visit him again after that, and like

1007
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks later and when I got to

1008
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 3: the set, he wasn't there, and Charlie was like, I'm sorry.

1009
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 3: Will was supposed to be here, but you know, Steven

1010
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 3: Spielberg sent a helicopter four and I'm like, oh, okay,

1011
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 3: well that's a good reason for him to not be

1012
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 3: here to receive me. And then months and months later

1013
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 3: after that, Will was coming out with Men in Black,

1014
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 3: and then it clicked that was the script for B

1015
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 3: but he said he wasn't doing another sci fi movie,

1016
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 3: so I guess the helicopter ride was to change some opinions.

1017
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 3: So I just had this really cool relationship with Will.

1018
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 3: He was always open doors back then to me, and

1019
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 3: when he called me on the set, he called me

1020
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 3: to be on a Fresh Prince bel Air, it just

1021
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 3: meant a lot to me because he made it his

1022
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 3: personal business to put me on the show.

1023
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 4: I got two more questions. One, when did Family Matter

1024
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:05,959
Speaker 4: jump the Shark?

1025
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 1: Oh?

1026
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 3: Man, we probably jumped the shark somewhere around the six

1027
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 3: or seventh season.

1028
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 4: Remember what.

1029
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 3: No, I don't remember the episode he had. It just

1030
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 3: it happens gradually. You know, you start going, you just

1031
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 3: start going into port the party and coming out of

1032
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 3: too many characters. You know, before you know what I

1033
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 3: was Elvis, I was, you know, we we sending Pold

1034
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 3: families to Paris and come back by standing on a

1035
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 3: teleportation device.

1036
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 4: I think when you moved in with them, I never

1037
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 4: moved in with them.

1038
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 3: I never moved in with them.

1039
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 4: Win, I thought you more, I thought your parents.

1040
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 3: You ain't got to lie to kick it.

1041
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 4: I never moved with I thought your parents went away.

1042
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: And no, I never moved in with him though, oh

1043
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 3: I never did. It was about like I said, it

1044
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 3: was probably around about about the sixth season, just to

1045
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 3: was you living. I was always next to your neighbor.

1046
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 3: I was. They never That was the thing again. Back

1047
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 3: they they never showed Steve's parents. They always kept See's

1048
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 3: parents this big mission.

1049
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 4: They said, your parents moved to Russia or something.

1050
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, they never They would always reference my parents. My

1051
00:43:58,680 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 3: parents were treated the same way.

1052
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 5: You remember.

1053
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 3: They were followed cheers. Remember Norm's wife Vera. They they

1054
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 3: they never showed Vera, so he they would always talk

1055
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 3: about his wife at home. And that was the way

1056
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 3: you treated it back then. They never talked. They never

1057
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 3: showed the gooch on on different strokes. They always talked

1058
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 3: about the gird. So they treated family matters, the character

1059
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 3: my parents the exact same way. You couldn't do that

1060
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 3: in this day and this day and age wouldn't take

1061
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 3: that kind of just constant referencing mistique. They'd be like, no, no, no,

1062
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 3: bring in the parents and make sense of this.

1063
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 4: I thought you.

1064
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: No, Now you never did.

1065
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: I was watching an interview you did, and you said

1066
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 2: you never got invited to none of the Hollywood parties.

1067
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 3: Nah. Nah, I mean I didn't. I would do a

1068
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 3: lot of nice parties, but now none of the like

1069
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 3: the stuff that started gaining a lot of steam on

1070
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 3: on on social media, like you know, the Rock Nation

1071
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 3: Brunch or or obviously you know you're talking about my man.

1072
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 3: You know you're the Diddy parties or whatever. Like, Noah,

1073
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 3: nothing organically not did you.

1074
00:44:58,719 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 4: Used to get invited?

1075
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 3: You got calm down, You gotta you gotta go, You

1076
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 3: gotta calm down.

1077
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: You just around.

1078
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 3: We just we're gonna slow it down for a second.

1079
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Sometimes you can just be

1080
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 3: driving too fast and you're not paying attention to the

1081
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 3: to to you know, the speed limits, speed exactly. We're

1082
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 3: in a thirty five zone right now.

1083
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 4: What happened to Judy?

1084
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 6: Man?

1085
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 4: How Judy just walked up talking about it? I know

1086
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 4: you don't give nothing to the listeners.

1087
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, how do you think I covered it

1088
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 3: in the book? Was I fair? Even? Yeah?

1089
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: Was I fair? Yeah?

1090
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1091
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah?

1092
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 4: Because because you want you?

1093
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 3: I mean, but what you laughing about?

1094
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 4: I guess because she didn't really have a roll. So

1095
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 4: it's like you get you know what I mean, I

1096
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 4: get what you're trying to say.

1097
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 6: I didn't get to that part in the book, But

1098
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 6: I'm inferring and reading between the lines. Or was it

1099
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 6: that they didn't think she was good to stay on

1100
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 6: this sh she didn't.

1101
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: Have a role.

1102
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 4: Really, that part of the family didn't matter.

1103
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 3: Jesus, So in the book, how do you get up?

1104
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 6: I'm I'm only a couple of chapters in, but not

1105
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 6: to give it all the way, but just some of it.

1106
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 6: How do you cover when you asked were you fair?

1107
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 6: Did someone tell you you weren't fair and wasn't thank you?

1108
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 3: I like I've said, a kind of threw me all.

1109
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 3: He wasn't wrong, okay, all right? You know there were

1110
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 3: a multitude of factors that went into her departure from

1111
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 3: the show that I blame all on her mother, but

1112
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 3: there were but as a performer, they weren't giving her storylines,

1113
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 3: and she wasn't the best at delivering a joke, and

1114
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 3: so you know, sometimes they would give her material and

1115
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 3: it would just fall flat. And if you fall flat

1116
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 3: and run through, they're gonna rewrite you. And you know,

1117
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 3: we're kids back then, so you know, kids, that's the thing.

1118
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 3: You can't roat each other nowadays, at least not in public,

1119
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 3: but trust me, kids are still roasted each other. That's

1120
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 3: never going to go away. So you know, we'd be

1121
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 3: sitting in the background and they're like, and she blows

1122
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: the layup. You know, it was just like you know,

1123
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 3: and it's just like, you know, you can only mess

1124
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 3: up so much and be arrogant about it in the

1125
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 3: FIR Code and the Mercedes too before somebody says, enough

1126
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 3: of this, and don't forget my producers. You know, this

1127
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 3: is a story that precedes my show. They famously fired

1128
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 3: a woman named Valerie Harper. We had a show called Valerie,

1129
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 3: and the show became The Hogan Family and Tom Miller

1130
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 3: may he Rest in peace, walked onto the set and

1131
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 3: said you are done, and in one file swoop, change

1132
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 3: the name of the show from Valerie to the Hogan

1133
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 3: Family and put the focus on Jason Bateman. And people

1134
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 3: forget those kinds of history.

1135
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 7: So why they didn't just un vim Judy then? So

1136
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 7: didn't just bring somebody else.

1137
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 3: Because they didn't they didn't feel like they needed the character,

1138
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 3: like they we didn't have social media, so they were like,

1139
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 3: she's already only in one you know that we've written

1140
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 3: her down as much as we possibly can. There reaches

1141
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 3: a point where the corporation does the corporation thing. It

1142
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 3: was like, well, how much are we banned? Right, Okay,

1143
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 3: we'll just save the money and you don't have to

1144
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 3: answer to social media either. And the thing that I

1145
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 3: do like where I like to address it with sensitivity

1146
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 3: is you know, and I talk about that, I say, look,

1147
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 3: the first miracle we have in our lives is who

1148
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 3: you born to. You know, some people were born on

1149
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 3: third base, you know, And in this situation, I really

1150
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 3: felt like, you know, Jamie was born to a mother

1151
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 3: who put herself before her daughter, and she had ideas

1152
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 3: of grandeur that weren't necessarily very realistic. And it sucks

1153
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 3: for Jamie that she has to wear that scarlet letter

1154
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 3: for the rest of her life. And I hope that

1155
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 3: Jamie finds peace outside of show business. To be quite honest,

1156
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 3: you know, this show business can start to make you

1157
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 3: think that this is the only way to make money,

1158
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 3: this is the only way to live, like if it

1159
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 3: didn't I talk about that with Jonathan Brandis because he

1160
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 3: passed away and he took his life, and I just

1161
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 3: I was very close to him at that particular time,

1162
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 3: and I saw signs of someone that was really putting

1163
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 3: too much emphasis on what this business meant to his

1164
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 3: existence on Earth.

1165
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: I got one last question. I know you got to go.

1166
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: Are you heavy? And I have to go?

1167
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 3: I membering class?

1168
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: Now? Did you jump into cannabis early? Oh man, I'm listen.

1169
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 3: Cannabis is just something I'm really passionate about because it

1170
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 3: landed on me. That's my plymouth rock. It just landed

1171
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 3: on me, you know. The I've been trying to get

1172
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 3: at the cannabis game for probably about shoot eight or

1173
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 3: nine years now, to be quite honest, and it's just

1174
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 3: it's been very challenging to meet the right people that

1175
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 3: are placed where they need to be placed. They care

1176
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 3: about quality, they care about diversity because they're they're gonna

1177
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 3: change these laws and play with these laws in such

1178
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 3: a way that the big guys are gonna come in

1179
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 3: and they're gonna scoop it all up, and just the

1180
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 3: way they just played us with bitcoin, it's gonna go

1181
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 3: down all the same way. So I'm lucky to do

1182
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 3: a mess some really cool cats. We're not nationwide, but

1183
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 3: but my guide to Wool group, they gonna, we're gonna

1184
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 3: have some fun.

1185
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 4: You got a dispensary, No, it's They named the streets.

1186
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 3: Then back in two thousand and three, named a strain

1187
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 3: after my uh, after my old character. I don't even

1188
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 3: know if it was after my old character. Maybe somebody

1189
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 3: would just inspired they were watching an episode of Family Matter.

1190
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 3: So they call the strain purple Arcle. I've been name

1191
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 3: checked everywhere. Rap songs, TV shows have been named that

1192
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 3: Purplecle has been name checked everywhere, and people think that

1193
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 3: I made money off of it. So my brand name

1194
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 3: is it's purple. I always like to let people know.

1195
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 3: And that actually came from a joke where it was like,

1196
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 3: when people see me, they think they're being discreet sometimes

1197
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 3: where they go, oh, it's racle, And I always just

1198
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 3: wanted to have something to say back, like, no, it's purple,

1199
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 3: so that's what. Yeah, so that's what it's So that's

1200
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 3: what it's purple. The brand even stands for. But we

1201
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 3: are the house of purple arcle. We make the best

1202
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 3: damn purple arcle that anybody makes out there.

1203
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: Did you bring something? I got what? I tell you what.

1204
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 1: I left it at the damn hotel.

1205
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 3: But I'm telling you I will find you dog here

1206
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 3: for the week.

1207
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 7: Jump in Mara Michelle Thomas.

1208
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 3: Yes, every time, I'm careful. Now that's MC girl.

1209
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 5: I know.

1210
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 6: I was going to say, every time you talk about her,

1211
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 6: it's very emotional for you and like I feel that

1212
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 6: that's your girl, right or was I want to know

1213
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 6: off off camera when you guys developed your relationship that

1214
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 6: we didn't saw on camera because it was so believable,

1215
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 6: what was that off camera relationship like and like building

1216
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 6: that for the characters on camera?

1217
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 7: Like, how did you guys cause you were so young?

1218
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1219
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 3: No, just you know, Michelle started off playing Malcolm Jamal

1220
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 3: Warner's girlfriend on the on The Cosby Show, and so

1221
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 3: she was always older than me. So even though she

1222
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 3: was so small and bubbly and you know, big, but

1223
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 3: she was. I looked at her like a little sister.

1224
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 3: I'm like a big sister. Yeah, And we just had

1225
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 3: this amazing chemistry. My mama loved her too, so that

1226
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 3: always that that made things easy. And she just made

1227
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 3: it her business to always want to always want to

1228
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 3: hook me up with somebody. And she introduced me to

1229
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,919
Speaker 3: Martha's Vineyard and and and you know, spending summers there,

1230
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 3: and we just had an amazing chemistry. She was just

1231
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 3: and she was just down. Like everybody knew Michelle. Everybody

1232
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 3: knew Michelle in the music business, everybody music, just everywhere

1233
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 3: we went, people loved Michelle. And unfortunately she passed away

1234
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 3: to summit cancer. And that was just a very emotional

1235
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 3: time because we just knew what she was going through

1236
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 3: as an actress. And that's why I always like to

1237
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 3: remind people too. You know, they always try to apply

1238
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 3: this type casting narrative to me. I said, man, listen,

1239
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 3: this is a tough business. If you really want me

1240
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 3: to make you a list of people who are, you know,

1241
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 3: trying to get to their next opportunity, I can, and

1242
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 3: you'll see it doesn't have as much to do with

1243
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 3: type casting as you think. So during the time when

1244
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 3: she went out, I just I wish that there have

1245
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 3: been some better opportunities for her, you know what I'm saying,

1246
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 3: Like Carl Weather's just passed away, and you know, Mandalorian

1247
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 3: was a nice thing for him man to have on

1248
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 3: the way out.

1249
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 5: So we want people to buy the book Growing Up Oracle,

1250
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 5: But you know, it is it is interesting to see

1251
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 5: how much of the love y'all created off camera.

1252
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 4: Yeah you know, yeah, no, it was.

1253
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 3: It was real love, man, Like you know, I get it. Yes,

1254
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 3: it was bumpy in the beginning, especially with the adults

1255
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 3: and the parents to some of the kids. But that's

1256
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 3: my puberty.

1257
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: You know.

1258
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 3: Darius is out here while in the times and you know,

1259
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 3: we he and I we slide each other's dms. But

1260
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 3: that's my brother. I mean, we've all had, you know,

1261
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 3: brothers or whatever, frat brothers or college friends that you know,

1262
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 3: bugging out or whatnot. But you don't abandon that cat.

1263
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 3: You still taking this call and y'all just laugh it off.

1264
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 3: And that's what my relationship is with with Kelly and Darius.

1265
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,240
Speaker 3: It's very brotherly and sisterly. And you know, I'll always

1266
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 3: defend our entire cast actually for the work that we did.

1267
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: That's what it is.

1268
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: Well, Jalil White, ladies and gentlemen growing up. Pleasure right

1269
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 2: now makes you pick it up and thank you for

1270
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 2: joining us. There's been a long time you supposed to

1271
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 2: come here.

1272
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: Like years ago.

1273
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 3: But I would run gee all the airports and stuff.

1274
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 5: You know.

1275
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 3: I always give credit to a brother though, who'll see

1276
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 3: me at you know who's famous, and he'll see me

1277
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 3: at the airport and be like, Okay, how you gonna act?

1278
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:50,439
Speaker 3: He was cool. Well, you know I've had other people

1279
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 3: would be Howard Stern. You know, I remember Howard Stern

1280
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 3: was sitting in coach behind me flying in New York.

1281
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 3: I was flying New York and do his show and

1282
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 3: and then I got up and I actually took him

1283
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 3: some dessert and uh on the flight and he's like, oh,

1284
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 3: I can't believe you came back here and uh. And

1285
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 3: then when I did the show, he was like, Okay,

1286
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 3: I knew you were cool, dude, because you came back

1287
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,720
Speaker 3: to say what's up to me and coach?

1288
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, Coach, what was howling?

1289
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 3: Coach might just need to get exactly and that's so

1290
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 3: that'll happen the famous folks tours. Like you know, sometimes

1291
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 3: you get stuck.

1292
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 1: I figured how it makes so much money.

1293
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 3: You gotta get on this is before this is like

1294
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 3: before this is before private party.

1295
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes you just gotta get it before private part.

1296
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 3: So he had looke, but he didn't have the bag.

1297
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 5: You know.

1298
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 3: Right now he's like, you better get your hands back

1299
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 3: to work.

1300
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 2: He helicoptered. I think building the building up. Well, ladies

1301
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 2: and gentlemen, it's to little White Cloud now, good morning.

1302
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club