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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic power. Since government conspiracies, history is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events, you can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 1: my name is Noel. They call me Ben. You are you?

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Speaker 1: And that makes this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: This episode is going to be a dive into a

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Speaker 1: mystery that remains controversial in the modern day, literally a

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Speaker 1: dive into one. Yeah. The story we're covering today has

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Speaker 1: been the inspiration for several works of popular fiction. Ian

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Speaker 1: Fleming's nineteen sixty one James Bond novel, which then became

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Speaker 1: the movie Thunderball. Uh, it was inspired by it. And

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Speaker 1: there's a nineteen fifty eight film called The Silent Enemy,

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Speaker 1: which is really great and has nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: as you can get a Hollywood film to be based

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Speaker 1: directly on something occurring. And we know, maybe you've probably

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Speaker 1: read the title for this episode. We know that the

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Speaker 1: name command Er Crab sounds okay, let's just say it.

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Speaker 1: my wife, like, yeah, I gotta do some more Commander

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Speaker 1: crab research, and she's like, what are you saying? It

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Speaker 1: makes me think of Mr Crabs from SpongeBob, like if

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Speaker 1: very good job. He's a little too mouthy. Well, that

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Speaker 1: crabs real personality, that tough exoskeleton that comes with being

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Speaker 1: And another thing that was not for everyone. Speaking of segways,

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Speaker 1: is the concept of the Cold War, that is, that

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Speaker 1: today's story, today's cover up conspiracy theory takes place. You've

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Speaker 1: post World War two tension between the clashing ideologies, clashing economies,

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Speaker 1: Who's gonna hold sway, Like, who's gonna be the dominant

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Speaker 1: going to become the hedge them on the power above

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Speaker 1: all other powers. The Eastern Bloc was comprised of the

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Speaker 1: the Cold War in general. You can check out some

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Speaker 1: a sharper focus to of course, quote taken, spycraft requires

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Speaker 1: meant that with neither head nor hands available, it was

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00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: almost impossible to get a solid identification on the body,

429
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: the dental records, no fingerprints, none of that stuff. And

430
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: already the the way that a body will change if

431
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: submerged in water, uh for a long time. Is that's

432
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: something that we could we could make a guess at, right,

433
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: and maybe even the type of water or maybe even

434
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 1: the type of journey the body took, but that's still

435
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 1: not solid identification. No, And there were no identifying marks

436
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: that the examiners could find, nothing unique at least any

437
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 1: kind of scars, tattoos, anything like that. And crabs former

438
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: diving partner, a fellow named Sydney Knowles, identified the body.

439
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: He's the one who said that's Buster. Yep. So so

440
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: what happened? What happened to Commander Crab? Well, we've got

441
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: a little better idea now that it's been years and

442
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: years and years since the occurrence, since we've got you know,

443
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: some some reports from the intelligence offices that we're carrying

444
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 1: out the mission in which Commander Crab met his demise um.

445
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 1: But honestly, there are a lot of question and will

446
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: answer some and pose quite a few more after a

447
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: word from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy. Okay,

448
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 1: So jump way way away for from nineteen fifty six

449
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,479
Speaker 1: to the year two thousand and six the future. Yes, uh,

450
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: the BBC, the British Broadcasting Corporation, obtained via a freedom

451
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: of information application a little different from here in the

452
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: United States, but the same thing in theory. Um. It

453
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 1: was a formerly secret document and it was an official

454
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: report of Commander crabs final mission. So what the Intelligent

455
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: groups had to say about it? Essentially, the report showed

456
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: that UH CRABS intelligence handlers didn't follow a lot of

457
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: the standard procedures that you would when going on a

458
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: mission of this sort, specifically about protecting secrecy of what's

459
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: going on, where people are, what they're doing, like the

460
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: actual names of your operatives, which is that's that's a

461
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: big detail. But I want to I want a caveat that,

462
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: because following standard procedures could mean almost anything. Oh yeah,

463
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: and that is my phrase there. So standard procedures is

464
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: not what was used in in the article. That was

465
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: creative there, but it's they didn't follow protocols essentially that

466
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: are set forth for how you how you would maintain secrecy, which,

467
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: if we were to speculate, would be stuff along the

468
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: lines of creating a plausible alibi for the actual operatives

469
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: if if they ever came into question, right, we need

470
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: some some sort of dummied up proof that you know,

471
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: Crab was not in Portsmouth, he was in North Sandwich

472
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: on Rye. And this is just mother guy who hasn't

473
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: assumed name, who was there at the time, who may

474
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: even have identification on him that shows he's a different person.

475
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: So the idea there is that through some error, whether

476
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: bureaucratic or whether whether it was a minor bureaucratic error,

477
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: or whether it was a complete um poop show from

478
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: the beginning, it started off on a bad note. They

479
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: checked into a hotel, he and his handlers with their

480
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: actual names, that was right there by the port. Like,

481
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: how crazy is that swinging a miss right move. I know,

482
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: it just seems like it was set up to fail

483
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: from the start. It's kind of like in not to

484
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: make light of what I believe. It's clearly a tragic death,

485
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: but it's kind of like in James Bond films. One

486
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: of the biggest plot holes in James Bond films is

487
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: that guy is always using his real name. He says constantly,

488
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: way more often than you would even you would say

489
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: the name of like someone you loved, you know, And

490
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: it does seem like a lot of other characters in

491
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: those movies do use code names. Maybe it's just to

492
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: show his raw bravado that it's like, I don't need

493
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: to use code names because I got this ish on Lockdown.

494
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,479
Speaker 1: I'm I'm good also, and I don't want to get

495
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: us too far off track. Another James Bond point. I

496
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: read a pretty fascinating study where someone had went through

497
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: the films and the books and said, just how much

498
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: is this guy drinking? And his liver would have been

499
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: shot and srotic if he's drinking like that every day,

500
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: and he would probably be falling down drunk by you know,

501
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: late afternoon. Yeah, at least spy better. I've had from

502
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: so more like Blitz James Blitz, Yeah, exactly, so uh so. Yeah,

503
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: it was it was clear then that now that we

504
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: have that specific there, they had woefully, woefully misjudge the

505
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: sequence of events, right, yes, exactly. And then well here

506
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: here's the other thing. When it was clear that he

507
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: had gone missing, Um, you know, we're not sure where

508
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: he is, but he's definitely not on the mission anymore,

509
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: and he hasn't resurfaced his team chose not to carry

510
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: out a full search because, as we said before, they

511
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: were they were afraid of alerting the crew of the

512
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: cruiser that they were looking at, um, of letting them

513
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: know that, hey, we're doing this. Because those guys Nikita Krushchev,

514
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: they're they're on a diplomatic mission. There's not supposed to

515
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: be any spine going on right here. This is supposed

516
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: to be a uh here, shake my hand, welcome to

517
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: my country. Let's discuss things. You know. Krushev is, by

518
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: the way, the so the official who was famously alleged

519
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: to have pounded his shoe and uh international meetings and

520
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: told the US that he was going to crush them,

521
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: alleged that probably didn't happen. There. There's let's just a

522
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,479
Speaker 1: jump on that bench. There is an article you can find,

523
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: oh man, what is it called. It's like the the

524
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: disaster dinner or the fiasco Dinner. I forget exactly how

525
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: they phrased it, but it's all about a specific meeting

526
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: with I believe the labor party that took place during

527
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: this trip, and how upset and angry Khruschev was at

528
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: certain things, and the threats that he made it's it's

529
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: fascinating fiasco dinner. I think fiasco dinner. So as soon

530
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: as they found out in real time, not counting the

531
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: not counting the deceptive and completely false, deceitful pr stories,

532
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: before they even started half cooking those up or half

533
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: baking those, they said, we're not going to carry out

534
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: a search. He's that guy's gone. Yeah, we don't know

535
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: who he was. He's gone. The Prime Minister himself, Anthony Eaton,

536
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: had no idea not only that the mission failed, but

537
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: had no idea that there was a mission for more

538
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: than a little more than two weeks after. You think

539
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 1: he'd be pretty grumpy finding that out, wouldn't. Yeah, But

540
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 1: I think that idea is protecting him because he's actually

541
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: in the room with all these guys you know, and

542
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: you don't you don't want any kind of tell on

543
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: his part if he knows. Is it plausible deniability? I mean,

544
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: we see that happening in the US all the time,

545
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: with the practice of compartmentalized intelligence. You know, I believe

546
00:34:54,640 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: multiple presidents have been shut down for during their during

547
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: their honeymoon phase with the American electorate. They say, we're

548
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: going to find out what really happened to JFK and

549
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: we're going to find out what really what what's really

550
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: going on with all these allegations of UFOs and stuff.

551
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: And then you just see like the yeah, you get

552
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: into that dark room. And when the actual unelected government

553
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: officials that are instead appointed right or promoted into these

554
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: positions are often the ones who will control access to

555
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: that intelligence. And I think, um, I think you guys

556
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: raised a great point where where the Prime Minister probably

557
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: probably doesn't know, but I'm just so skeptical about that

558
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: stuff when they say that they really don't know. I

559
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: know it can occur and they might not know about

560
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: a specific mission. Right, surely there was a program, right,

561
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: and it it had to come up and at least

562
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: a budget meeting where someone's like, hey, we're getting a

563
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: lot of swimming equipment. You guys get in a pool.

564
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: What's going on anyway? Reason number seventy four, why I'm

565
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: not Prime minister. So what happened with the diving partner? Well, yes,

566
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: if you remember that, fellow Mr Sidney Knowles, he the

567
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: next year after this, two thousand and six, the whole thing.

568
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: In two thousand seven, he did an interview with the

569
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: BBC s show called Inside Out, and he stated that

570
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: he had only identified the body of Commander Crab because

571
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: he was quote under pressure to do so. And he

572
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: suggested that that Buster may have been murdered on orders

573
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: by British intelligence, like it was an inside job to

574
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: get rid of Crab, which is insane in its implications, right,

575
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: maybe he knew something that he wasn't supposed to, or

576
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: he was going to do something that somebody didn't like.

577
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: Well in in Inside Out he goes Sydney goes into

578
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: it a little further, and we've got an excerpt that

579
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: we're going to read from that, So I'm just gonna

580
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: paraphrase this a little bit. Um. So Sydney said that

581
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: Crab was varied bitter, and that he was also mixing

582
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: with a pro Soviet group of people who dragged Sydney

583
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,479
Speaker 1: along to parties. Um, they were attended by the likes

584
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: of double agents like Anthony Blunt. And here's here's a

585
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: pretty tasty quote. He said, it's either suicide or bloody Russia. Yeah,

586
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: and that's what Crab told Sydney, like if I'm either

587
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 1: going to commit suicide or I'm gonna go to Russia,

588
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna I'm gonna defect effect. Yeah, So Sydney

589
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 1: really believed that at this point Crab was going to defect.

590
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: So Sydney alerted the intelligence services and my five and

591
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 1: he refused to dive with Crab on this second Russian

592
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: ship mission, the one that he was on on April

593
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: nineteen UM, which you know that was the whole Portsmouth

594
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: one We've been talking about this whole time. But previously

595
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: he had gone on a secret mission with Crab, let's see,

596
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: to the Russian warship severed Love on its visit to Portsmouth,

597
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: So he had been there before with Crab and none

598
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: of before, but he had decided it was a bad

599
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: idea to go on this one. And he believes that

600
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: although he wasn't there, Buster Crab did not dive alone.

601
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: Uh Specifically, Sydney Knowls said Buster told him they had

602
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: given him a new buddy diver, and then Crab never returned,

603
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: leading Sydney to believe Crab was murdered. We buried the

604
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: lead slightly when we mentioned one person here, Anthony Blunt,

605
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: as one of the pro Soviet people that Sydney Knowles

606
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: believes took Crab to these parties, right, Sir Anthony Blunt

607
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: was is for a long time an art historian, a

608
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: professor and a writer. And it wasn't until nineteen sixty four,

609
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: when he was offered immunity for prosecution that he confessed

610
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: to having been a Soviet spy for a long time,

611
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: from the somewhere in the nineteen thirties to the nineteen fifties,

612
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: he was a member of a group called the Cambridge Five.

613
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: So this was an influential, a tremendously influential member of

614
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: UK society, one of the type of people who would

615
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: probably be immune from the kind of scrutiny or questioning

616
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: that the Hoi polloi, the peasants and the pros would encounter.

617
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: And just you know, Sydney, the reason why he said,

618
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: crab is feeling all of this, It's a reason that

619
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: a lot of us listening right now might feel, um

620
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: a bit bitter because he could not find a job

621
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: after retiring from his official military services. He just couldn't

622
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: get work anywhere, even though he put all this put

623
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: in all this time, and you know, doing so many

624
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: heroic things and been given awards, but he just couldn't

625
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: find a job. I mean so many folks you know,

626
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 1: in our country that get out of the service liking

627
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: it to almost like the same treatment as people getting

628
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: out of prison. You you're kind of ostracized a bit,

629
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: and U are treated almost like a societal barrial. Almost.

630
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: It's just a total shame and disrespectful. Yeah, incredibly so,

631
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: especially when we consider the lack of support. And when

632
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: you say support, we're not talking just financial support. Economic

633
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: support is important, but so is cultural support, assimilation support,

634
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: mental health support, and well for anyone listening outside of

635
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: the country. In the US, currently, we have an organization

636
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:59,479
Speaker 1: called the Veterans Administration whose job it is to help

637
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: returning military members acclimate to society and have a civilian life.

638
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: And in many this is not a political jab. It

639
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what side of the false psychotomy people are

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Speaker 1: find themselves on. In many cases, it isn't arguable that

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Speaker 1: the Veterans Administration has done a really terrible job organizationally.

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Speaker 1: Maybe a show for a different day. The other thing

643
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Speaker 1: about this, So we said two thousand six that fo

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Speaker 1: I report comes out, not the whole story. Still, Nope,

645
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Speaker 1: it's not the whole story. He gave the interview in

646
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Speaker 1: two thousand seven, then what happened next. In the same year,

647
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Speaker 1: in two thousand seven, retired Russian diver named Edward Koltsov

648
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Speaker 1: claimed that he had murdered Crab on that famous dive

649
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Speaker 1: in April by slicing his throat because he caught the

650
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Speaker 1: frogman planting a mine underwater. This was in a documentary

651
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Speaker 1: on topic. He also produced a dagger that he claimed

652
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Speaker 1: he used in the murder. The implications of this are

653
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Speaker 1: tremendously disturbing because if Crab was on a mission planting

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Speaker 1: a mine on a diplomatic ship, it's a warship, yeah,

655
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Speaker 1: in a diplomatic mission on a vessel like that function

656
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: is diplomatic vessel, then it's a clear active war and

657
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: could be considered a war crime. The way that this

658
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Speaker 1: would have changed the course of history had this occurred.

659
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Speaker 1: And what's disturbing about that is we still can't reliably

660
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Speaker 1: if that is true. We can't reliably suss out the motive.

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Speaker 1: Why would an intelligence agency that UM, as evidenced by

662
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Speaker 1: their continuing detection of just reprehensible criminals like these people

663
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Speaker 1: are good at keeping secrets, Why would they do this

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Speaker 1: rushed job with this obvious active provocation. This you know

665
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Speaker 1: they're they're big questions that this Koltsov story brings up.

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Speaker 1: Surviving relatives of Crab do not believe Koltsov's story one bit.

667
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: They think it's another attempt by the UK to cover

668
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Speaker 1: up the truth. And they believe that what happened was

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Speaker 1: either Crab willingly defected or that he was abducted and

670
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Speaker 1: then brainwashed. And we know just that, like we've seen

671
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: or heard of or read the Manchurian candidate, and we

672
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: we talked about allegations of this stuff with things like

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Speaker 1: Sir Hand, Sir Han, r f K's assassin. The big

674
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Speaker 1: question here is whether or not this kind of brainwashing

675
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Speaker 1: even works. But the unfortunate it and absolutely insane truth

676
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Speaker 1: of it is both the US and Russia tried it

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Speaker 1: numerous ways. They were like, let's give him truth serum,

678
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Speaker 1: what about l s D, what about sleep deprivation. Let's

679
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Speaker 1: see if we can take cult indoctrination tactics and apply

680
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Speaker 1: it to people to make them do things they would

681
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Speaker 1: not normally do. That is a lot to swallows out

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Speaker 1: their theory of what happened to the guy. Is it possible, though,

683
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Speaker 1: Is it possible that he defected? Is it possible that

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Speaker 1: he was killed by his own handlers. Is it possible

685
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Speaker 1: that the that Russian forces killed him, and that the

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Speaker 1: two great powers involved in this decided to prevent the

687
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Speaker 1: dominoes that would fall if this, if this stuff came out.

688
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Speaker 1: I've got one for you. What if he was setting

689
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Speaker 1: up a false flag for the Soviets to like as

690
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: like acting as a Soviet agent to set up a

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Speaker 1: mind that would explode while it's in the harbor and

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Speaker 1: make it look like it was m I six and

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Speaker 1: other intelligence services, uh, permitting an active war interesting end

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Speaker 1: to spark all at war, to heat the Cold War up.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying anything about it being true.

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Speaker 1: It was just something I was ruminating on last night.

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Speaker 1: But that's very interesting. I hadn't thought of that angle.

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Speaker 1: It's a surprising one, but it's not. It might be

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Speaker 1: outside the realm of plausibility, but it's not outside the

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Speaker 1: realm of possibility. And then it also brings us to

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Speaker 1: a really important point A lot of times, especially now,

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Speaker 1: this how does this apply to right? How does it

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Speaker 1: split our modern age? A lot of what we see

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Speaker 1: public figures, whether they are elected officials, whether they are dictators,

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Speaker 1: whether they are ministers in something. Anybody in the geopolitical

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Speaker 1: arena is on some level performing two different, three different

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Speaker 1: types of shows. If we think of it as being performative.

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Speaker 1: There's one show performed for the domestic population, the voters,

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Speaker 1: the average citizens, the oppressed, whomever, and that is typically

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Speaker 1: going to be nationalistic. It's typically going to be something

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Speaker 1: about our enemies to keep people motivated by fear right.

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Speaker 1: And then the same people have what they say on

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Speaker 1: the international sphere, and sometimes those messages might seem contradictory

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Speaker 1: to the domestic population, so they're not really broadcast the

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Speaker 1: stuff that whichever country you live in, the stuff that

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Speaker 1: your leader is saying when it's not being recorded two

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Speaker 1: groups of other leaders is probably not the same stuff.

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Speaker 1: And with a few notable exceptions, it's probably not the

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Speaker 1: same stuff they're telling you when they want you to

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Speaker 1: vote for them or they want you to not complain

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Speaker 1: about internet censorship or the oppression of minorities. And then

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Speaker 1: the third one, this is so weird. I didn't learn

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Speaker 1: about this for a long time, But the third one

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Speaker 1: is let's say that Matt you are the leader of

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Speaker 1: country A, and Noll you're the leader of country B.

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Speaker 1: The populations of country and Country B have historically hated

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Speaker 1: one another. Right. And what happens then is that when

728
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Speaker 1: your first round of theater, you, the leader of country A,

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Speaker 1: you the leader of Country B, will tell your local

730
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Speaker 1: populations you know, uh, forget Country A. They're the worst.

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Speaker 1: They smell, they're threatening us, they're taking all the resources.

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Speaker 1: All those people in Country B. They use way too

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Speaker 1: many batteries. I don't know if you guys noticed. You

734
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Speaker 1: guys noticed it. Yeah, and let's say. Let's say also

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Speaker 1: that one of you just recently got elected and eliminated,

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Speaker 1: so you're you're espousing all this. The word you'll often

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00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 1: here used as provocative language right domestically making public statements

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Speaker 1: internationally that kind of say the same thing, but tilted

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Speaker 1: in a way to get other people, other countries on

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Speaker 1: your side. You want countries see through Z to like

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Speaker 1: Country A or be better. Uh. But when the two

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Speaker 1: of you meet on private phone calls or in person,

743
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 1: you become a lot more like people trying to negotiate

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Speaker 1: a car sale or people trying to negotiate a transaction,

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00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: which means you'll say stuff like, well, you know, I

746
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: know that we have our differences the previous leader. You know,

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Speaker 1: I I didn't like him that much either. Frankly, I'm

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Speaker 1: someone you can work with, and so here's what I need.

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Speaker 1: And it becomes sort of a quid pro que situation

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Speaker 1: where in the two people that publicly claim to hate

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Speaker 1: each other on behalf of millions of other people get

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Speaker 1: in a room together and one of them says, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm i'm I'm looking for a better gas line,

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Speaker 1: and the other one says, well, you can't get the

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Speaker 1: gas line until I can get some of these sanctions dropped.

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Speaker 1: And then you know what, I think, I think we

757
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 1: can work on that. And the next thing you know,

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Speaker 1: they've shake hands. They have these content they have very

759
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: differing tones and there, and they're one on one interactions

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Speaker 1: where they're actually doing stuff, and then the performative interactions

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Speaker 1: where they're just sort of garnering support. The recent fairly

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Speaker 1: recent Iran deal comes to mind just when thinking about

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Speaker 1: something like that and getting something very complicated out of

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Speaker 1: two countries that make those kinds of statements, and then

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Speaker 1: it just becomes more complicated when there are multiple country

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Speaker 1: treas involved. I know that's a little bit of ramp,

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Speaker 1: but I think it is important for us to clearly

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Speaker 1: establish that what what you're seeing if you if you

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Speaker 1: look into these sorts of events or any events that

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Speaker 1: geopolitical implications is you're seeing different snatches of three very

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Speaker 1: different conversations and you have to kind of triangulate the

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Speaker 1: truth in between them. Now, some some world leaders, it

773
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Speaker 1: is true, have always had the same the same message

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Speaker 1: and all three conversations, and other world leaders aren't particularly

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00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: into that. You know, they're they're they're getting that one

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00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: on one situation and they're like, wait, what you meant

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Speaker 1: all that crazy stuff you were saying. It's a weird

778
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: world in which we live. And that's one of the

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Speaker 1: reasons that we still don't know what happened to Command

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Speaker 1: or crap. But we do know that the danger, the

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00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: threat of these ghost combat divers of frogmen, it still exists.

782
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: It's very much real right now. And the they could

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Speaker 1: be used in the modern day to scout defenses for

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Speaker 1: future missions. They could take and leave equipment in places

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Speaker 1: that will be used later. Um, they can place microphones

786
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Speaker 1: and you can determine all kinds of things underwater. If

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Speaker 1: you have really good mikes, you can you can figure

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Speaker 1: out what ships are doing, where they're going, how much

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Speaker 1: fuel they're using. You can even listen to the noises

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Speaker 1: of crew, like if you're listening to submarines, which is

791
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Speaker 1: crazy to think about. The fiber optic um biblical lines

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Speaker 1: we mentioned before, this huge fiber optic wires um. They

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Speaker 1: can be tapped. Navy piers can also use wireless connection

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Speaker 1: systems and those signals can can be used to be

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Speaker 1: uh or I guess these divers can intercept those signals

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Speaker 1: if they wanted to from the water. The only thing

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00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: with that, though, you've got to break all kinds of

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Speaker 1: crazy encryption from the military. But you know, if you're

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Speaker 1: also a military force, you can probably do it. And

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Speaker 1: to a degree this is well, to an extreme degree,

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Speaker 1: this is changing with the use of modern technology. You

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00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: will hear a lot of pundits and experts tell you

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Speaker 1: that the new and most important sphere of warfare and

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00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: therefore spycraft is information collection, right, and spycraft to a

805
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 1: degree has always been about information collection overwhelmingly. This doesn't

806
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Speaker 1: mean that the old wet work stuff, the old physically

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00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 1: putting a person in the room has stopped existing. You know,

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Speaker 1: for instance, with stuck s Net, the program used most

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Speaker 1: likely by the US and Israel to disrupt Iran's nuclear

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Speaker 1: enrichment activities, that that virus had to physically be put

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Speaker 1: into that system because there no country is going to well.

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Speaker 1: Iran at least is not going to be foolish enough

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Speaker 1: to have online access to nuclear nuclear enrichment facilities. So

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Speaker 1: no matter how how far technology evolves at this point,

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Speaker 1: until we have superhuman android operatives that can until we

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Speaker 1: have robots that can pass for human, we're still going

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Speaker 1: to have physical people traveling into a place. And this

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Speaker 1: means that as we record today, nobody knows how many

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Speaker 1: people are how many missions similar to this are actively happening.

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Speaker 1: It ports all over the world, and just in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the sea somewhere being you know, these guys

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Speaker 1: being deployed to go check out a ship in the

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Speaker 1: south trying to see the Frogman cometh. The frog Man

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Speaker 1: cometh Google Diego Garcia some time. So that's an interesting

825
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: rabbit hole. And with that, for now we conclude the

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Speaker 1: story of Commander Crab. We will update it if we

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Speaker 1: learn whether any of these any of these conclusions have

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Speaker 1: become the inarguable truth. But this does not end our show.

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Speaker 1: We want we want to hear from you. Do you

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Speaker 1: think these operations are relatively rare in the modern day?

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Speaker 1: And by these operations we mean stuff that occurs with

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Speaker 1: absolute deniability, stuff that the president of a country or

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Speaker 1: the prime minister of a country doesn't know about. Are

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Speaker 1: they rare? Are they more common? Are they less common?

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Speaker 1: We want to hear from you, and that reminds us

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Speaker 1: it's time for corner. Our first shout out comes from

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Speaker 1: the captain. He says, Hi, guys, I'm a big fan.

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Speaker 1: A friend of mine recently introduced your podcast to me.

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Speaker 1: I was listening to your Ghoulan Movement episode, which was great.

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Speaker 1: I had no idea there was anything like that potentially

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Speaker 1: involved with the failed que. You were asking about the

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Speaker 1: definition of a social movement, and I have a definition

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Speaker 1: for you from my college class on social movement rhetoric,

844
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Speaker 1: perfect convenient. A social movement must meet the following criteria.

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Speaker 1: It must be an organized collectivity. It must be an

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Speaker 1: uninstitutionalized collectivity. And I just you know off Air who

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Speaker 1: we had to look up collectivity was I was. I

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Speaker 1: was thinking collective, but a collectivity as individuals who are

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Speaker 1: considered as a whole group. Uh. An example would be

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Speaker 1: a gathering of all the people in a town moving on.

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Speaker 1: It must also be large enough and propose or oppose

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Speaker 1: some kind of change. Just to delve in a little

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Speaker 1: bit for clarity, an organized collectivity is fairly straight forward.

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Speaker 1: A movement needs some kind of organization to make things happen.

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Speaker 1: Think social movement organizations like Black Lives Matter or the

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Speaker 1: Tea Party. As for uninstitutionalized, a social movement, at least

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Speaker 1: when it starts, is generally made up of outsiders and

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Speaker 1: thus cannot be made up of corporations or government. To

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Speaker 1: be large enough, a social movement simply needs to reach

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Speaker 1: the size it needs to affect the change it proposes

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Speaker 1: or opposes. Finally, propose or opposed change is fairly obvious

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Speaker 1: on its face. There may be a few different definitions,

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Speaker 1: and I am pulling from my class notes, so I

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Speaker 1: cannot give you any But yeah, that's how you define that,

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Speaker 1: was captain. Yeah, Well, well we we in the captain

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Speaker 1: made it happen. That's right. It's really cool to uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, think about it that much and send us

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Speaker 1: that much detail, so we really appreciate it. Yeah, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. Thanks thanks for writing to us, Captain

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Speaker 1: who's next. Well, next we have Mr B. And Mr

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Speaker 1: B is not a listener. Well, very well could be.

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Speaker 1: But who knows. I think you know, I don't know. Um,

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Speaker 1: he had a very interesting Monday this past October two.

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Speaker 1: Oh I know about this guy. Okay, Yes, this is

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Speaker 1: an article that was sent to us by our frenemy,

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Speaker 1: our best freendemy, our complaint department. Yeah, Jonathan Strickland. Uh

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Speaker 1: and I'm just going to read part of this article.

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Speaker 1: It's from K to Radio. Here we go. A Casper

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Speaker 1: man claiming to be from the future has been arrested

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Speaker 1: for having too much to drink in the present stone

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Speaker 1: cold awesome headline leading line. Casper police officers say at

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Speaker 1: around ten thirty pm on Monday October two, they were

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Speaker 1: dispatched to residents on East Second Street for a man

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Speaker 1: who was stating he was from the future and he

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Speaker 1: was there to help people. They found Mr B, who

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Speaker 1: claimed that he was from the year and he was

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Speaker 1: trying to warn the people of Casper that aliens were

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Speaker 1: coming next year and they should leave as soon as possible,

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Speaker 1: the people, not the aliens. He added that he wanted

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Speaker 1: to speak to the president of the town. Oh boy,

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Speaker 1: I always wanted to be president. Yeah, it's way less

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Speaker 1: commitment than being president of the country. Mr B told

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Speaker 1: the police that the only way he was able to

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Speaker 1: time travel was to have aliens fill his body with

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Speaker 1: alcohol and have him stand on a giant pad which

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Speaker 1: transported him to seventeen, but he ended up in the

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Speaker 1: wrong year. It was supposed to be eighteen. I think

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Speaker 1: we can end it there. They they determined that Mr

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Speaker 1: B could not take care of himself and he was

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Speaker 1: causing a disturbance, so yeah, they took him in. He

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Speaker 1: had he had an early breath sample showing a blood

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Speaker 1: alcohol content of point one three six. So yeah, he

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Speaker 1: was definitely filled with alcohol and trying to time travel.

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Speaker 1: But hey, who's the same. Mr B wasn't a time traveler.

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Speaker 1: Come on, maybe that's how aliens operate, right, who's to say?

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Speaker 1: And we hope he is well, we hope his mission

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Speaker 1: goes well. Yeah, you know, maybe he is prophetic. We'll

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Speaker 1: see what happens since eighteen. And of course we want

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Speaker 1: to thank Jonathan Strickland for right in to us. Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Strickland is available for any questions, comments, or concerns about

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Speaker 1: our show twenty four hours a day, seven days a

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Speaker 1: week at Jonathan Strickland to how Stuff Works dot com.

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Speaker 1: And this concludes, but not our show. We will be

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Speaker 1: returning next week with with some stuff I think you're

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Speaker 1: gonna find interesting and maybe a few special announcements. So

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Speaker 1: say tuned. In the meantime, you can find all three

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Speaker 1: of us all over the internet. Were like Twitter, Instagram,

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Speaker 1: Facebook's maybe we'll start a Pinterest page. No no at

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Speaker 1: this stage if you want to, can you believe Mad

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Speaker 1: is so anti Pinterest? I was on an episode of

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Speaker 1: Comedy Bay many other day and there was like a

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Speaker 1: guest on it that was making up all kinds of

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Speaker 1: Internet based maladies, and one of them was Pinterest worms nice.

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Speaker 1: That sounds perfect. That's why probably Matt doesn't like Pinterest

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Speaker 1: because it makes him think of worms. See and if

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Speaker 1: you want to find us on those we're conspiracy stuff

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Speaker 1: at most of them were conspiracy stuff show at Instagram.

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Speaker 1: If you want to skip all the social media stuff

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Speaker 1: and you just want to send us a message or

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Speaker 1: you have a comment or a question, you can always

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Speaker 1: write to us. We are conspiracy at how stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot com.