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Speaker 1: This is live cover each of the twenty twenty six

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Speaker 1: NFL Combine on Steeler's Nation Radio, a part of the

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Speaker 1: Steelers Audio Network. Welcome back to the NFL Combine. Jerry Dulec,

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Speaker 1: Wes Euler, Rob King will be back with us shortly.

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Speaker 1: And wow, what a treat we get. Tony Grossy from

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Speaker 1: the ESPN Cleveland joins us every year from the combine

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Speaker 1: and we swap reciprocal. I go on ESPN Cleveland with

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Speaker 2: Multi year agreement yeah yeah, yes, by decade.

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Speaker 1: Yes. And as I told you yesterday, I said, I

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Speaker 1: remember to change my smoke alarms because you guys change coaches.

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Speaker 2: That's how I remember to do it. How about the

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Speaker 2: carbon dioxide alartment?

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, that's what you guys should sound. Yeah right,

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Speaker 1: that's what you should sound when your owner comes in.

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Speaker 2: And we're breaking in anothers is number fourteen head coach

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Speaker 2: in my career.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's amazing. Yeah. Well, you know when I was young,

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Speaker 1: I caught the tail end because I was at that

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Speaker 1: fourth Super Bowl. I tell everybody, and you know Chuck

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Speaker 1: Noll was a coach, so I mean I was This

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Speaker 1: would be only four for me, but you know three

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Speaker 1: where I'm dealing with them on a regular basis.

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Speaker 2: You know, coaching searchers had become my least favorite part

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you've got to do them all the time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's been nineteen years since I had to

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Speaker 1: go through one, at least with the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Or you're lucky. Yeah, you think you're going nineteen until

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Speaker 2: the next one.

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Speaker 1: I'll be lucky if I go one. Now, I don't

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Speaker 1: mean Macarthury lucky. Yeah, no, No, So tell me about

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Speaker 1: your guy. Not an overwhelming choice. I'm guessing among the

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Speaker 1: fan base, everybody wants somebody young and dazzling.

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Speaker 2: Huh, yeah, well that's what we assumed. I was not

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Speaker 2: impressed with the young candidates. They're you know, I guess

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh interviewed.

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Speaker 1: They really like him. They just didn't think he was ready.

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Speaker 1: But I bet in two years he'll be everybody's choice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm I was disappointed at the time that

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Speaker 2: Jim Schwartz wasn't given the job. I think the defensive coordinator,

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Speaker 2: who I always say is his he's the he's the

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Speaker 2: he supervises the the one point of pride in the

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Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns franchise their defense. When you mentioned Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 2: to people in the league, not media, but people in

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Speaker 2: the league, they don't they don't laugh at the Browns.

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Speaker 2: First thing that comes to their mind is their defense, right,

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Speaker 2: And that was because of what Schwartz put together. So

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Speaker 2: he and Monkin are in the same age group. Monkin

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Speaker 2: just turned sixty after he accepted the job, and Schwartz

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Speaker 2: could be his last and best opportunity to be a

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Speaker 2: head coach again. Schwartz, so the Browns, he only had

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Speaker 2: one job right Detroit Line and failed. Well, I mean

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Speaker 2: he took over an O and sixteen team and in

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Speaker 2: the playoffs went for years oh okay, but then it

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Speaker 2: went down after that. So he's five years Matt Matthew

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Speaker 2: Stafford's rookie year he was the head coach. So, uh,

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Speaker 2: what surprised me is that the Browns are playing hardball

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Speaker 2: match Jim Schwartz. Right, He's under contract for another year

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Speaker 2: with a club option, and they won't release him. He resigned,

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Speaker 2: so he's going to be, you know, out there sunning

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Speaker 2: himself for a year and come back next year somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: So how much money is you walking away from not

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Speaker 1: That's probably not a big deal to him though, but

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Speaker 1: got to be a couple.

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Speaker 2: He was a highly paid couple millions five million how much? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: in that they probably tried to would be willing to

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Speaker 2: give him a rage to stay, but he was just

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Speaker 2: really outraged and offended.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So anyway, they replaced him with Mike Rutenberg from

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Speaker 2: Atlanta under jeff Yulerich's staff. He's a Robert Salah protege,

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Speaker 2: and I think that'll be okay. Uh, thefensively, so they

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Speaker 2: chose Monk, and they wanted a whole new offensive philosophy

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Speaker 2: and vision, and that's what Monkin gives them over Schwartz.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what Schwartz's offensive vision was. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: it was part of the interview. I would have been

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Speaker 2: fascinated to hear. It wasn't good enough to them obviously,

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Speaker 3: I'm interested with the offseason approach because, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 3: the defense has been one of the best in the

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Speaker 3: and needs a ton of work, particularly on the offensive line.

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Speaker 3: So is it going all in on this offense and

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Speaker 3: Is it to continue to reinforce the defense because that's

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Speaker 2: Side of the Well, no, I think GM andrew Berry

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Speaker 2: has not been shy and stating it's obvious we're going

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Speaker 2: to commit. I'll you know, the majority of our resources to.

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Speaker 1: Offense this year. You're right.

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Speaker 2: Offensive line, they may have to replace five stuff. Joe

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Speaker 2: Altonio may return for a thirteenth years. They'll know thirteen.

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Speaker 2: seems like he's only thirty four. I mean, Williams is

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Speaker 2: talking about a new deal at thirty eight.

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Speaker 1: I know. Well, Kim Hayward might be talking about that too.

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Speaker 2: So offensive line receivers been one lacking. And then you

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Speaker 2: have the quarterback room, and you know there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of noise out there, but every every quarterback that's available,

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Speaker 2: people peg him to the Browns. I gotta tell you,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and if that Sean Watson comes back, Gabriel

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Speaker 2: Yeah. According to Barry, he thinks he has a fine,

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Speaker 2: bright future. But what's what what's going to be incredible

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Speaker 2: he has left. They're paying him forty six million dollars

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Speaker 1: Contract, right, is that what he's counting or that's or both.

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Speaker 1: That's what he's being paid.

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Speaker 2: That's what he's being paid.

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Speaker 1: What's he count His cap number right.

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Speaker 2: Now is eighty That's what I thought they're going to

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Speaker 2: forty three or something thirty five. But anyway, Chadur sand

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Speaker 1: Like the complete opposite.

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Speaker 2: Right, He's played nineteen games in four years, two hundred

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Speaker 2: and thirty million dollar contract. So you're pitting these two

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Speaker 2: So that's gonna be a pr backlash if that happens.

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Speaker 2: But what else is new?

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Speaker 1: And Cliff I was just going to say, that's nothing

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Speaker 1: for what ails the Browns, when in fact it goes

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Speaker 2: About a year ago the owners meeting, the owner said,

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Speaker 2: and we're trying to bail out of it. And now

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Speaker 2: you're going to count them.

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Speaker 1: Imagine admitting that, yeah, yeah, and still bringing them back.

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Speaker 2: But someone figured out, well, we're paying them anyway. If

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Speaker 2: he's healthy, why go out and get another veteran when

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Speaker 2: he's there. So that's what we're looking at. So I

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Speaker 2: don't think the Browns are going to do a lot

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Speaker 2: need a fourth guy, but for camp. But you know,

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Speaker 2: you see all these things. Lak Willows Kyler Murray forget it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I see Malik Willis is like jumped to the

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Speaker 1: top of the free agent list. There's certain not just quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: You think the Steelers would sign Malik Willis, you know,

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Speaker 1: but they should get Malik wi Let's bring him in that,

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Speaker 1: you know, Tony I I was just saying earlier too.

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Speaker 1: The one thing the Steelers want to do is stop

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Speaker 1: the revolving door at quarterback. Same here, and they want

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Speaker 1: to find out more con said yesterday, they want to

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Speaker 1: find that ten to fifteen year guy. I know it's

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Speaker 1: not easy, but they you know, they just can't keep

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Speaker 1: you know, five different quarter starting quarterbacks in five years

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Speaker 1: and can't keep going that way. Well we're longer than that, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I know, y'are you trying to survive on that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody's now okay, twenty twenty seven quarterback Draft. It's

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Speaker 2: like free coffee.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow, yeah right, tomorrow. Never bear tomorrowre Beard mare bear tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: But that's what the Browns are probably banking on next year.

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Speaker 2: You know, if Dante Moore, Leonora sellers and of course

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Speaker 2: Arch Manning and others, they'll be in position to Selack one.

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Speaker 1: What sense are you getting? I mean, I know the

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Speaker 1: overall feeling is a quarterback draft isn't what people thought

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Speaker 1: it would be this yes, this year thought it would

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Speaker 1: little sneakier better than people think, or no, it's not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's it. I mean, I mean a

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Speaker 2: year ago I was saying, wait to the twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Everybody was right.

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Speaker 2: So hopefully, Yeah, there's a lot, a lot of a

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Speaker 2: lot of guys in the middle rounds to choose from it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe one of them turns out to be a bonafid starter.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe two yeah, so uh, there'll be

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Speaker 2: guys available. Just Drake May wasn't at the top of

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Speaker 2: the list, but yeah, bona FID first round pick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, where did he go? He go in the first round? Third?

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, that's right, excuse that's right, that's right. It's

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Speaker 1: a pretty good one two three there. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe next year is we'll resemble that, you know,

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Speaker 2: Arch Maanning sellers and more or whatever. I'm a big

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Speaker 2: sellers guy. Yeah, had bad year, same here, So he

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Speaker 2: made the right choice in going back and more will

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Speaker 2: be better next year. You just hope they're healthy.

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Speaker 3: You know, I wanted to ask you, you know, you

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Speaker 3: mentioned kind of the pulse of the fan base when

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Speaker 3: talking about Shador and Shaun Watson. You think the fan base,

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Speaker 3: what's the what's the confidence level in Andrew Berry? Because

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Speaker 3: I thought last year's draft was pretty successful for Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: I mean, sweestions your defensive Rookie of the Year fan

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Speaker 3: and had an awesome year. Is there some belief that like,

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Speaker 3: all right, we could continue to hit on these draft picks.

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Speaker 3: We're moving in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the plan internally, and that's why he stayed

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Speaker 2: on when they fired Stefanski. It's the first time under

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Speaker 2: the Haslim ownership that he didn't fire both as head coach. Right,

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Speaker 2: and basically the twenty twenty five draft saved them the

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Speaker 2: tremendous draft. Finch Jenkins, Yeah, I mean yeah, Bason Graham, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the defensive back and there's two quarterbacks. You know, those

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Speaker 2: would be bonuses if one of them turned out to

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Speaker 2: think they drafted Dylan Gabriel as their future backup. Who

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Speaker 2: drafts with the future ball the Browns, right, But I

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Speaker 2: But anyway, it was a great draft. There's a far

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Speaker 2: Like I feel he's one for six. Yeah, six drafts, sure,

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Speaker 2: and hit one of them. But their plan is they

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Speaker 2: put a new foundation layer of young talent last year,

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Speaker 2: opportunity presents itself to get that quarterback next year, at

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Speaker 2: least these first and second year guys are now second

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Speaker 2: is being developed. The only problem is in the meantime defense,

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Speaker 2: which is ready to win now. Can it still be

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Speaker 2: ready to win in two years.

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Speaker 1: Without Jim Schwartz? Yeah? One question for I let you go,

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Speaker 1: and I know you got to run. I'll ask you

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Speaker 1: division shacking up? Man?

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Speaker 2: It's it's compressed, I think as a result of those

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Speaker 2: three head coaching changes, and you know that draws the

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Speaker 2: Browns back into it a little bit, but I gotta believe.

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Speaker 2: I think Cincinnati feels we should take this thing burrow

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Speaker 2: and you know they're going to devote their whole officers

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Speaker 2: combined the Browns and Bengals, you'd have a hell pretty

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Speaker 2: good team, That's right. But I know Baltimore still got

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Speaker 2: a lot of talent. Pittsburgh's got a lot of talent.

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Speaker 2: But I think I think the Bengals offense is the

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Speaker 2: best unit in the elite in the division.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. You know, well, when you

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Speaker 1: get two receivers like that in the quarterback in their.

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Speaker 2: Prime and the continuity there. So I'm going to say

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Speaker 2: and I think Baltimore or Pittsburgh can win it also,

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Speaker 2: so I'd be surprised that if only one team winsh.

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Speaker 1: Who would have thought they'd have the last coach standing

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Speaker 1: in the AFC North would be Zach Taylor since he's like.

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Speaker 2: The third longest tenure in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know so well. They went from Marvin Lewis,

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Speaker 1: who had great tenure to this guy. Now because of

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Speaker 1: the way the changeover it cursed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I said, who would have both Harbor and

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Speaker 1: Tom had gone in the same year? Wow? Who would

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Speaker 1: have taken that bet before last season?

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Speaker 2: No, but I'm sure you could find a betting app

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Speaker 2: that was someone else exactly right.

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Speaker 1: Have put the mods on your prediction market. You would

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Speaker 1: have gotten good return on that one. Yeah, I know

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Speaker 1: you got to go. Tony Grossie from ESPN Cleveland's been

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Speaker 1: our guest. Thanks Tone, always good chat with you, my friend.

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