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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to movie Mike's Movie Podcast. I

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Speaker 1: am your host Movie Mike. Big episode for you today,

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Speaker 1: I am breaking down the top ten scariest movies according

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Speaker 1: to Science. Also talking to director Michael Schabs. You just

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Speaker 1: did The Conjuring Last Rites. I want to talk to

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Speaker 1: him about the behind the scenes of that movie and

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Speaker 1: what it takes to live out your dream of becoming

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Speaker 1: a big Hollywood director. In the movie review, we'll be

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Speaker 1: talking about Channing Tatum and roof Man in his unorthodox

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Speaker 1: way that he became an actor. And in the trailer

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Speaker 1: park we'll talk about Another Man, Running Man starring Glenn Powell.

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Speaker 1: A lot to get to, so thank you for being here,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being subscribed, shout out to the Monday

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Speaker 1: Morning Movie crew. And now let's talk movies from.

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Speaker 2: The Nashville Podcast Network and this is movie Mike's Movie podcaon.

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Speaker 1: As the Science of Scare Project came out with their

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five list of the scariest movies according to Science.

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Speaker 1: They had test subjects put on heart monitors watch a

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Speaker 1: bunch of scary movies and they monitor their heart while

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Speaker 1: watching these movies. These are the films that had the

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Speaker 1: biggest spikes, and overall average the highest heart rate while

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Speaker 1: watching these movies. It takes a lot for a movie

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Speaker 1: to scare me these days, and I think when I

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Speaker 1: talk about the scariest movies of the year, I pretty

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Speaker 1: much am talking about the ones that are the most disturbing,

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Speaker 1: because I don't think I'm gonna go into a film now,

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Speaker 1: and it's not because I'm some macho, tough guy. It

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Speaker 1: just takes a lot to unsettle me. And the only

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Speaker 1: thing that can really unsettle me now is something really disturbing.

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Speaker 1: Jump scares are good every now and then, but I

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Speaker 1: think if your movie just relies on that in order

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Speaker 1: because a true scary movie will still give you those

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Speaker 1: scary feelings if you go back and rewatch it a lot.

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Speaker 1: And I think a great horror movie requires a lot

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Speaker 1: of rewatchability. So let's get into the list. At number

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Speaker 1: ten from twenty twenty two is Talk to Me, which

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Speaker 1: the year this movie came out, I dubbed it the

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Speaker 1: scariest movie of the year. Let's break down the science here.

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Speaker 1: They say the ada resting heart rate the BPM is

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Speaker 1: when you first turn this thing on. If you're alive,

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Speaker 1: you're at a sixty four for Talk to Me. The

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Speaker 1: average rate while watching it was seventy nine. The highest

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Speaker 1: so overall this movie was given a score of seventy five.

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Speaker 1: Talk to Me is about a group of friends who

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Speaker 1: movie reminded me of that scene in SpongeBob whenever him

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Speaker 2: I just want to get that out there. You know, honestly,

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Speaker 2: the monitor. You're the first one like looking at like

435
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 2: the stuff that they're doing. You're the first one seeing

436
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,239
Speaker 2: the movie come together. And so you know, that's just

437
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 2: using that as a guide of like, you know what

438
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 2: you want to see and you know what's entertaining you

439
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 2: is always you know. I think that's what keeps me honest.

440
00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 2: I think it because it's easy to kind of sec

441
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 2: guess things and just think like, oh, people will like

442
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: such and such and such and such. You know, just

443
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 2: you know, I think you got to just make a

444
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: movie that you're enjoying when you're making it.

445
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Speaker 1: When you're starting the second guest things. Do you have

446
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: a director friend you can go to and say, I'm

447
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 1: having trouble with this scene or I don't really know

448
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: where to go with this, give me some advice here.

449
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: You know, I mean lots of people. I mean, I think,

450
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 2: you know, both my producers are just incredible. You know,

451
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 2: obviously James, like, you know, I bounce ideas off him

452
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 2: all the time. You know, Peter Is is an incredible

453
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 2: producer and just a great storyteller. You know on set,

454
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 2: Patrick and Vera Is, you know, they're both directors themselves.

455
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 2: I think, you know, one of the things, like before

456
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Speaker 2: I really started directing movies, I was actually like very

457
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Speaker 2: gunshy to work with other directors because I think there's

458
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: a feeling of like they're going to know more than you,

459
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 2: or they're going to be you know, they're going to

460
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Speaker 2: take the movie away from you or something like that.

461
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 2: And the fact is that, you know, it's actually the

462
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 2: people who've directed movies are the most supportive and the

463
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Speaker 2: most they know how hard it is. They know how

464
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 2: hard it is to put together in the movie, and

465
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 2: they're usually the most generous with help or guidance or

466
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,959
Speaker 2: like just kind of helping you to kind of like

467
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 2: get what you're after. Honestly just talking with them. They're

468
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 2: great collaborators, they're really great. They're great people, but they're

469
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 2: just also just like, really, you know, fun to make

470
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Speaker 2: a movie with.

471
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Speaker 1: Speaking of you getting your start, what was the first

472
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Speaker 1: thing you watched that made you think I could do that?

473
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Speaker 1: Like I could make a movie. What was the first

474
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Speaker 1: film where there's any piece of work that you saw

475
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Speaker 1: and like, Okay, like I think I can actually do

476
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Speaker 1: this and have a career in it.

477
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Speaker 2: It's funny the things that where you're like watch it

478
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, I think I could do that

479
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 2: are usually the bad movies where you're just like, I mean,

480
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Speaker 2: I could do better than that.

481
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Speaker 1: It's kind of like some people who say, like when

482
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Speaker 1: there's a hit song, like I could have written that,

483
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 1: and you think, well you did it. If it's so

484
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Speaker 1: simple you think you could do it.

485
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Speaker 2: No, exactly. I mean the movie that really always like

486
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 2: always sticks with me and I always think about is

487
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 2: Jurassic Park. And that wasn't like something like oh I

488
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 2: think I could do that. I was just so blown

489
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Speaker 2: away by that experience. I was like, oh my god,

490
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 2: love that movie. I love the experience. I just remember

491
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 2: like at the very end, Spielberg's credit coming on, and

492
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, I want to I want

493
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Speaker 2: to do that. Like that just like really like stuck

494
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Speaker 2: with me, you know, and beyond that, it was just like,

495
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 2: you know, you just you know, just make movies with

496
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Speaker 2: my friends. I was just kind of like, you know,

497
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 2: pulling out the video camera and you know, just that

498
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 2: was kind of the uh, you know, just how how

499
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Speaker 2: I got started.

500
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Speaker 1: When you started making movies with your friends. Who got

501
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: you your first camera?

502
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Speaker 2: It's funny my parents are divorced in or yeah, even

503
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: at the time, and the so they both got me

504
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 2: different cameras. My my dad's camera at like my dad's

505
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Speaker 2: house and my the camera at my mom's house.

506
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Speaker 1: Did they know the other one had bought you a

507
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Speaker 1: camera or did you work the system?

508
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Speaker 2: I worked this out. I get a better camera from No.

509
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Speaker 1: How supportive were they of you when you were getting

510
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Speaker 1: started in filmmaking.

511
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Speaker 2: You know, they were incredibly supportive. You know my dad's doctor.

512
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Speaker 2: And you know, in a way, like looking back on it,

513
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,479
Speaker 2: I'm like, I have no idea why he would be

514
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 2: so supportive, because it's like you'd almost want your son

515
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 2: to kind of do something more reliable. But you know,

516
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 2: his dad was like, you know, first generation from the Azores.

517
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 2: You know, he came over. You know, my grandpa came

518
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: over as like a farmer. He was like a dairy farmer.

519
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 2: And so I think my dad looked at it, like,

520
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 2: you know, his dad had no idea what he was

521
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: doing becoming a doctor. So it's like even if he

522
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 2: didn't know what I was doing becoming a director, it

523
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 2: was like, you know, he knew that there would be

524
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Speaker 2: a path that people have, that it is a job,

525
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 2: and someone did it, and and so he was kind

526
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 2: of he was very supportive about it. So very lucky.

527
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Speaker 2: My parents have been great.

528
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Speaker 1: Is there some part of you that has to be

529
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Speaker 1: a little bit delusional when you're getting started, because in

530
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: a creative field you almost have to have this dry

531
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: where sometimes you could be the only one who sees it.

532
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: You could be the only one thinking like I am

533
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Speaker 1: going to make it no matter what. Is there some

534
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Speaker 1: level of delusion in those early years.

535
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, absolutely. I mean I think it's like

536
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: you know, and I think it's just trying to the

537
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: trick is trying to have a healthy balance because also

538
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 2: that delusion can be really destructive and harmful in a

539
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: whole bunch of different ways. And also when you're making something,

540
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 2: because you need to convince yourself that you can do it,

541
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: even when you're you're young and starting and not very good,

542
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: you need to convince yourself like, oh, you know, I'll

543
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 2: eventually be able to make good movies. And then I

544
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: think the delusion can be harmful when you're like when

545
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: people are trying to give you guidance or advice or

546
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 2: even criticism and you don't want to reject that. You

547
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 2: need to be you know, in touch and aware enough

548
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: as you're you're making these things and listening to criticism

549
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: so you can make the best thing possible, or you

550
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 2: could at least learn from things from the past. But yeah,

551
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: I think there is a little bit of it. But

552
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Speaker 2: I think what the advice I would give to any

553
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: filmmaker out there is don't delude yourself too much. You

554
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 2: have to like still be aware still like you know,

555
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: you know, you know, stay open.

556
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Speaker 1: Not only did my mom give me into the Yoda

557
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: n now, but she also turned me on to the

558
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Speaker 1: Nun And then obviously once you started doing the Conjuring movies.

559
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Speaker 1: One of the things that stick out to me when

560
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Speaker 1: you made The Nun Too, is you talked about it

561
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: was just a photo you saw of like some nuns

562
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: peeling potatoes, and you're like, I love that image. I

563
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: want to work it into the movie. Was there anything

564
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: in Last Rites that maybe it was a photo you

565
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: saw and you thought, I have to put this in

566
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: this movie.

567
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, so much of it came from

568
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: like the real case. That's the best thing about the

569
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: Conjuring is like you get to look at these the

570
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: original cases and you know, look at like Ed and

571
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 2: Lorraine like holding a press conference outside the house, and

572
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: just like that imagery was like so great and it

573
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: was stuff like that, Like, you know, so much of

574
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: the interiors of the house was like the layout of

575
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: the house was different. The real house was a duplex,

576
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: and we just made this into a single a single

577
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: family home for a bunch of different reasons. It just

578
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: felt the complexity of having a duplex wouldn't really help

579
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: the story. But the details the texture of that house,

580
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: the wood paneling, like all of that was came from

581
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: the real house, and there's so much stuff there that,

582
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: you know, I was so proud of because it just

583
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 2: it really feels like, okay, that we're really in the

584
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Speaker 2: Smirl's house.

585
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Speaker 1: There are any kind of guidelines when it comes to

586
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: crafting the demon? Is there any kind of like rule

587
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: book of like what the demons have to look like,

588
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: what they how they have to act or can you

589
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: kind of just make it all your own?

590
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: You know, I could make it, you know, whatever I wanted.

591
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: I think it's the type of thing that it's like,

592
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: you know, you don't want to like break the general

593
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: mold too much. You know, it's like if it like

594
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: if it came out and all of a sudden, like

595
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: they were all blue or something, it was like a

596
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: straight out of Avatar. It's like people would reject that.

597
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: You know, there's a certain I think expectation for what

598
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: it is. But I think it's and it's not just

599
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: conjuring films. I think it's even like this kind of

600
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:39,479
Speaker 2: like retros supernatural horror movie. Like if you look at

601
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: the Innkeepers and those kind of like you know, the

602
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: Great pale face of the woman who hanged yourself. It

603
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 2: was like, you know, there's you know, we all know

604
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: the conjuring such like the you know, the behemoth in

605
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: the you know, in the genre, but you know there's

606
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: all these other kind of great examples of like what

607
00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 2: our expectation for supernatural creatures are. And I think that

608
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: that is you know, it all needs to kind of

609
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: work in something like that, and you know we so yeah,

610
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: it could be anything, but I kind of like just

611
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: staying true to the core.

612
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Speaker 1: Well, appreciate this, Michael, This has been awesome.

613
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike, thank you so much. I really appreciate it too.

614
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Speaker 1: Let's get into it now. A spoiler free movie review

615
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Speaker 1: of Roofman or ruf Man or maybe Rufman, depending on

616
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: how you want to say it. Starring Channing Tatum, This

617
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: is low key one of my favorite movies of the year.

618
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: I found it so endearing and so entertaining. It's based

619
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Speaker 1: on a true story a guy named Jeffrey Manchester, who

620
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: I believe is a very complex individual. I think this

621
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Speaker 1: movie set out to make a statement on how the

622
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: system can fail people. Because Jeffrey is ex military and

623
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Speaker 1: he is a guy who robbed forty five McDonald's, and

624
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: you might say, how could anybody have any deeming qualities

625
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: who has robbed forty five McDonald's. This movie will change

626
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: a perspective on him, because if I just watched a

627
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: new story about him, which this happened in the early

628
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: two thousands, the movie takes place in two thousand and four,

629
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: I don't really remember it. But now if this were

630
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: to happen in twenty twenty five, I would think this

631
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: guy is a criminal. Get him off the streets. That's

632
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: a lot of robber that's a lot of burglarising, and

633
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: I think it shows how the system can fail some people.

634
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: I don't believe Jeffrey Manchester was an inherently bad person,

635
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: and again, I just watched a movie about him. They

636
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: could make me feel a certain type of way about him.

637
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: He could be more awful in real life. But I

638
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: don't think they would have told the movie in this

639
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: way and took that big of a creative liberty, because

640
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: what you even see in the trailer is Channing Tatum

641
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: after he has cut a hole in the roof of

642
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: this McDonald's, because he is a very observant individual and

643
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: he realized, man, they are doing these deposits at the

644
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: same time, every day, at every single McDonald What if

645
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: I just come in before they do it. I put

646
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Speaker 1: the entire working crew in the freezer, and then I

647
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: take all the money and I call the cops. And

648
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: you see him even in the trailer, give his jacket

649
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: to the manager of the McDonald's because he did not

650
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,479
Speaker 1: want him to be cold in that freezer, and the

651
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: manager forgot his jacket. And I think it is those

652
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: redeeming qualities about Jeffrey that have your rooting for him,

653
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: because he does do bad things. He does commit crimes.

654
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: Even though this movie is based on a true story.

655
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: I won't tell you how it ends, because I think

656
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: given the context, you want to kind of form the

657
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: idea in your head of what exactly is going to

658
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: happen to his character. The only thing I'll say is, obviously,

659
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,479
Speaker 1: if they made a movie about him, you kind of

660
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: have to assume what happens to his character. But maybe

661
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: you don't. But I won't get into that. But this

662
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: movie comes to us from director Derek cianne France and

663
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Speaker 1: Derek did another one of my favorite movies of the

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Speaker 1: twenty tens, The Place Beyond the Pine, starring Ryan Gosling,

665
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Speaker 1: And I think what Derek does so well is showing

666
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: you individuals who feel like they've been backed into a corner.

667
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: Society has really knocked them down, and feel like they

668
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: have no other choice but to commit crimes in order

669
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Speaker 1: to make money in order to provide for their family.

670
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: Because that is what Ryan Gosling's character does in that movie.

671
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: He starts robbing banks and he realizes he is really

672
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: good at rubbing banks, and even his character doesn't want

673
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: to see anybody get hurt. But if you keep doing

674
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: it over and over again, it can only lead to

675
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: more bad things. But I don't believe Ryan Gosling's character

676
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: in that movie set out to hurt or harm anybody.

677
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,959
Speaker 1: This was the only way he knew how to make money.

678
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: And I think that is the same case we have

679
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: here with Channing Tatum's character, where he got out of

680
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: the military, has been given all these tools on how

681
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: to repair hell, how to break into places, how to

682
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: take people out, how to protect yourself essentially, how to

683
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: break into places, and in his case, how to live

684
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: in a toys r us for six months. And if

685
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 1: you give somebody all these tools to do these things

686
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: while they are enlisted in the military. Then they get

687
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: done with the military and they come back to the

688
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: United States, and you don't give them the tools to

689
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 1: re enter society. And in this case, Jeffrey Manchester couldn't

690
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: make money. He had a family he was trying to

691
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: provide for, and the only thing he was good at

692
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: was committing crimes, using these skills that he was taught

693
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: while in the military and now applying it to his

694
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: life of crime. So, for me, a big thing I

695
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: took away from Roofman that I really wasn't expecting is

696
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: how we need to treat people better who serve this

697
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: country when they come back home and we want them

698
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: to just quickly assimilate back into civilian life, but we

699
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: don't give them the resources. I felt the exact same

700
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: way after watching Warfare earlier this year, where you see

701
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: people go fight for us overseas, witness the most heinous things,

702
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: and then come back here and are just expected to

703
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: be normal. We have to treat them better. Jeffrey was

704
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: simply doing what he was good at with the tools

705
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: he's been given, with the cards he's been dealt in life,

706
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: and he obviously made some bad choices. He could have

707
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: picked an entirely different career after coming back, but I

708
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: also think he wasn't put in a place to succeed.

709
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: And also why I believe this character story works so

710
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: well is because Channing Tatum is so charismatic and I

711
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: love the way he embodies this character where Channing Tatum

712
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: is a good mix of somebody who looks like he

713
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: could have been in the military. Has an incredible physique

714
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: in this movie, in particular because there are scenes of

715
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: him bathing in this Toys r Us and you just

716
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: see him basically completely naked at one point. But not

717
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: only can you do those parts of this role, not

718
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: only can he do the physically demanding things, but he

719
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 1: also has fantastic comedic timing. Channing Tatum isn't your average actor.

720
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Speaker 1: He doesn't really have a vast history in acting. Before

721
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: he got his start in the early two thousands. Before

722
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: he got into acting, he was dancing in Miami. You've

723
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: seen the movie Matter Mike. He was doing that type

724
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: of thing that dancing led to modeling. He ended up

725
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: getting a role in a Ricky Martin music video and

726
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: that's where he was discovered and started doing acting. So

727
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: he's not like this classically trained actor or had such

728
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: an affinity for wanting to be a thespian that he

729
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: went to school for it. And he didn't need to

730
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: go to school because there's one thing that you cannot

731
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: learn in any acting school, and that is how to

732
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: have charisma. And that is what Channing Tatum has. He

733
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: oozes charisma and brings to life every character he portrays

734
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: because he is somebody that just draws you in because

735
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: of the visuals, because of his strong jawline, his muscles.

736
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Speaker 1: But it's not just having that. You also have to

737
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: have that charisma to carry the viewer, to make them

738
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Speaker 1: like you. And another thing he does really well that

739
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: I don't think he gets enough credit for, not just

740
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: the comedic timing, but he doesn't overact. He doesn't overcompensate

741
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 1: trying to do all these extra things. When it comes

742
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: to Channing Tatum, a lot of his mannerisms and his

743
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: dialogue is very subtle and I find that charming and

744
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: I think also working with Jonah Hill on twenty one

745
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: Jump Street, who Jonah Hill is a notorious guy who

746
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: loves to do improv. He will do one scene a

747
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: million different ways, maybe not a million, maybe not one hundred.

748
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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm exaggerating, Welcome to the podcast, but that is

749
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 1: what Jonah Hill is known for. And I imagine working

750
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 1: with a guy like Jonah Hill on a very funny

751
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: movie twenty one Jump Street, which is probably my favorite

752
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: at least a top three Channing Catum movie for me.

753
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: And if you look at Channing Tatum's last five movies,

754
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: he has a lot of variety, and I think that

755
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: is what he is becoming an actor that I get

756
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: more and more drawn to because I don't know what

757
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: kind of role he is going to take on next.

758
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: Before Rufman, he did Blink Twice, which was more of

759
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: a thriller. He played a bit more of a darker character.

760
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: I like him in that, even though I didn't like

761
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: his character. Before that. He did Fly Me to the Moon,

762
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: more of a rom com. Him and Scarlett Johanson, I

763
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: believe was a perfect pairing. I love that movie. It

764
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: wasn't anything special, and that is a hard thing right now.

765
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: If you are not just a completely polarizing movie that

766
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: makes headlines, because it's not just about making a good

767
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: movie anymore. You have to have the marketing, You have

768
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 1: to have the storylines outside of the film that people

769
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: are following along fly Me to the Moon. If you

770
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: put that movie out back in the late nineties or

771
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: early two thousands, that would be a core rom com.

772
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,959
Speaker 1: But it comes out at a time where that isn't

773
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: a novel story to make anymore. Even though I thought

774
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: it was done really well, it just does doesn't have

775
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: that same impact, which is a hard pill for me

776
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: to swallow, because it is movies like fly Me to

777
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: the Moon. It is movies like Roofman that I love

778
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: that I go and watch in the theater and from

779
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: when they start to win they end, I am completely

780
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: entertained the entire time. But it isn't something as big

781
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: as a Marvel movie. It isn't something that I feel

782
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: you have to drive to the theater to see. Which

783
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: is another thing movies have to do right now is

784
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: create that sense of urgency that if you don't go

785
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: see it opening weekend, you are missing out. Roofman isn't

786
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: that type of movie. And if it can't be profitable,

787
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: that makes me sad because it could mean we see

788
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 1: less and less of these films. It did not great

789
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: opening weekend, and I'm here just fighting for this movie

790
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: because it is a really good movie. But before that

791
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: he was in Deadpool and Wolverine, which he will return

792
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: his Gambit. He's gonna tone down the accent a little

793
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: bit more. I love the fact that he is finally

794
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: getting to play Gambit. He is somebody who has been

795
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: a big advocate for a very long time trying to

796
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: get Gambit on the big screen, and a lot of

797
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 1: people hate on him, saying you don't look like Gambit,

798
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: You're too big and bulky. I'd rather have somebody who

799
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: doesn't exactly look like the character, at least in the comics,

800
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: but want to play them so bad and want to

801
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: do that character justice and be such a big fan

802
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: and big nerd about it that it doesn't take me

803
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 1: out of it. The fact that he doesn't look exactly

804
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: like what we think Gambit should look like. And then

805
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: before that he did the final Magic Mike movie, Magic

806
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 1: Mike's Last Dance. And before that he did The Lost

807
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: City with Sandra Bullock, which was a solid rom com,

808
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: a little bit cheesy, a little bit hokey, but I

809
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: really like the two of them together. One thing I

810
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: didn't love about roof Man was the fact that it

811
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: made two thousand and four feel vintage where you see

812
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: some of the things on the shelves at the Toys

813
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: r US there's like a stitch toy, And I'm like,

814
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: that is an inconsistency, because I really pay attention to

815
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: those things whenever you have a period piece. Which is

816
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: weird to talk about a movie from two thousand and

817
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: four as a period piece, but I pay attention to

818
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: the songs used in a movie because you have to

819
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: be accurate. But all the things that were on the shelves,

820
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,959
Speaker 1: all the video games, all the references where they were

821
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: with technology at this point in two thousand and four,

822
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: which I also think was a big reason why he

823
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,919
Speaker 1: could actually get away with this. It all lined up,

824
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: and that made me feel a little bit old, the

825
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: fact that these things from a little over twenty years

826
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: ago now feel vintage. I was like, oh my gosh,

827
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 1: it's starting to set into me that you can set

828
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: a movie in two thousand and four and it feel old,

829
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: much like when we would watch new movies that came

830
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: out in the mid two thousands and they took place

831
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: in the eighties and it felt like an eternity ago.

832
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: I am starting to feel that now, And that was

833
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: the only thing I did not like about this experience.

834
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: So what do we learn in this review. We need

835
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: to treat our military better and give them resources when

836
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: they come back to civilian life. Derek c and France

837
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: can humanize characters who have done bad things. If you

838
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: haven't seen a Place Beyond the Pines, go watch roof

839
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: Man and then go rent that on You can't watch

840
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: it on Netflix anymore, which was the last place I

841
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: watched it, but you have to pay like that three

842
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: dollars and fifty cent rental fee. That is fantastic. Radley

843
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: Cooper is also in it, and that is the movie

844
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: where Ryan Gosling met his wife. And we also learned

845
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: that Channing Tatum. I don't think it's that big of

846
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: a surprise. He's not a classically trained actor, went from

847
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 1: dancer to model to now one of the biggest names

848
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: in Hollywood. But I just feel like overall, this is

849
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: a real crowd pleaser because it has crime, it has thrills,

850
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: it has romance, it has comedy, it has a little

851
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: bit of nostalgia. There is a little something for everybody

852
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: in this movie. But for roof Man, I give it

853
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: four out of five toys. R us.

854
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 2: It's time to head down to movie Mike Trey Lar Paul.

855
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: I think this movie is going to determine how big

856
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: of a movie stars Glenn Powell is going to be.

857
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: The Running Man comes out only in theaters on November fourteenth.

858
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 1: It is directed by Edgar Wright, who has done movies

859
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: like Sean of the Dead, Hot Fuzz, Scott Pilgrim Versus

860
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 1: the World, The World's End, Baby Driver, and Last Night

861
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: in Soho really good director. I feel like Edgar Wright's

862
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: movies are very almost animated esque, always have a fantastic soundtrack,

863
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: really quick action. It almost feels like watching an Edgar

864
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Speaker 1: Wright movie is like listening to a really well crafted

865
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Speaker 1: song with all these instruments that just flow together perfectly.

866
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Speaker 1: He is a really great director to take on this project.

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Speaker 1: It is a remake. The movie originally came out back

868
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty seven and starred Arnold Schwarzenegger. It is

869
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Speaker 1: based on a Stephen King novel that came out in

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two. The weird thing about the plot of

871
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: this movie, which is about a near future society, The

872
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: Running Man is a top raty TV show. It's a

873
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: deadly competition where these contestants go on to try and

874
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Speaker 1: make money. They are called runners, and they have to

875
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: survive thirty days while being hunted by professional assassins. The

876
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: entire thing is broadcasted, so it is very Hunger Games esque,

877
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Speaker 1: even though it predates the Hunger Games. But we're also

878
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: just coming off of Stephening movie The Long Walk, where

879
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: people competed in this walking competition. One person standing would

880
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: win the prize. So all these stories that came out

881
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: back in the eighties are still relevant today. And I

882
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: just have to know what is wrong with us as

883
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: a society that this still feels normal, that we are

884
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: still in a position where it almost makes sense to us,

885
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: even though it seems like it's this weird near future

886
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: that we have to compete to earn money for basic

887
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: human necessities. Because in this movie, Glenn Powell's character is

888
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 1: named Ben Richards, and he is trying to earn money

889
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: to help his sick daughter and the only way he

890
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: can do that is by going onto this show. So

891
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: that was the thing I was just wondering, like, Okay,

892
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: it happens in the Hunger Game, so it happens in

893
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: the future, it's happened in our past. Why are we

894
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: still having to put ourselves into life or death situations

895
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: like the hunger games like squid game, in order just

896
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: to have basic human needs. But I think it also

897
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: kind of puts the mirror on us, realizing that we

898
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: also enjoy watching things like this. And it's one thing

899
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Speaker 1: if it's just in a movie, just in a TV show,

900
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: but I think it kind of says something about our

901
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 1: society that we like to see somebody suffer for money,

902
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: and I don't think that part of it is good.

903
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: But I have to remove myself a little bit and

904
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: think this is just entertainment. It's just a fun thriller.

905
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: But with any form of entertainment and a story like this,

906
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: there is always some truth to it. So hopefully, hopefully

907
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Speaker 1: we're not remaking this twenty twenty five version in twenty

908
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: forty five, and it still feels like that has to

909
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: be an option for some people. But a lot to

910
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: say about this movie again, why I think this is

911
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: going to be the movie that determines how big of

912
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Speaker 1: a movie star Glenn Powell is going to be, and

913
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Speaker 1: also why he can't get away from roles where he

914
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Speaker 1: has to put on disguises. Before I talk more about that,

915
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: here is just a little bit of the Running Man

916
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Speaker 1: trailer coming out on November fourteenth. You know, I've been

917
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: thinking about the show for the next thirty days. Everyone

918
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: in the country is trying to murder me. People on

919
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: these games never come back. We have no choice.

920
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: We need money for a doctor now.

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Speaker 1: Right, Welcome to The Running Man. Contestants will be hunted

922
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Speaker 1: for thirty days. Now you want can kill you so fy,

923
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Speaker 1: and you will walk away with a billion dollars. I

924
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: always thought this was fake, feeling pretty real now. So

925
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: Glenn Powell's character gets convinced by the ruthless producer played

926
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Speaker 1: by Josh Brolin to enter the game. He gets into

927
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Speaker 1: the game, and his sheer, determination and grit turn him

928
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Speaker 1: into a fan favorite. But then, of course he's got

929
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: a threat in the entire system. As rating skyrocket so

930
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: does the danger, and now he has to outsmart the

931
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: hunters in order to win that prize. But also what

932
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: you see in the trailer is that the game is

933
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Speaker 1: gonna be rigged, so can he pull it off? This

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Speaker 1: is probably the third movie I've seen where Glenn Powell

935
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Speaker 1: has to put on some sort of disguise. Well, I

936
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Speaker 1: guess one of them is a TV show he did

937
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: it in hit Man Last Summer, which was a really

938
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: fantastic movie on Netflix. If you haven't watched that one.

939
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Speaker 1: Richard Link later did a fantastic job with that story.

940
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Speaker 1: He's doing it right now with Chad Powers, which is

941
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 1: the show on Hulu where he plays a college football

942
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: player who had his chance at glory, messed it up,

943
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: and then goes back for redemption while wearing a very

944
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: ridiculous looking prosthetic face. And now you have him here

945
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: in Running Man, where in this trailer he is putting

946
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: on a guys to hide his true identity. So there

947
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: is something about him that is drawn two roles where

948
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 1: he gets to go incognito. And why I think this

949
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: is going to be the movie that determines how big

950
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: of a star he is, because while watching this trailer

951
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: I start to see some parallels with him with arguably

952
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 1: the biggest movie star on the face of the planet

953
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: right now, at least the one who's been around the

954
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: longest Tom Cruise. Maybe it's the Paramount logo. Maybe it's

955
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: because since it's called The Running Man, he is running

956
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,439
Speaker 1: throughout a lot of this trailer. Somebody who is known

957
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: for being associated with Paramount, who is known for doing

958
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 1: action movies where they have to run a lot, known

959
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: for being a great leading man. I start to see

960
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: the parallels between him and Tom Cruise. You look at

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00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,959
Speaker 1: Glenn Powell's career, which has been skyrocketing in the last

962
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: two years. Specifically, he really hasn't had a movie where

963
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: he is the leading man that's not based in any

964
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: kind of property that it has determined how much of

965
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: a pool he has at the box office. He did

966
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: it really well with Anyone but you with Sidney Sweetey,

967
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: But again that was both of them combining both of

968
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: their star power and how they sold that movie, which

969
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: made it a success. Hit Man was a really good movie,

970
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: but didn't go to the box office because it's just

971
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,479
Speaker 1: a Netflix movie. Twisters, even though him and Daisy Edgar

972
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: Jones were the two big stars in that film, I

973
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: think because of the legacy of Twister and that franchise

974
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: having a lot to do with it, I think that

975
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: had some influence in getting people to go see that movie.

976
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: You could argue the same thing here because it is

977
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: a remake because the original was a success with Arnold Schwarzenegger.

978
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: But I still feel like when you look around at

979
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: the supporting characters in this film. There's not somebody else

980
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: that is gonna bring people in. You need that A

981
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: list star. Josh Brolin is fantastic. Coleman Domingo is fantastic.

982
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: You have Michael Sarah in this movie as well, who

983
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: I hope has a pretty significant role because them two

984
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: together just in this trailer, I think is fantastic. But

985
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: I think it's Glenn Powell's name, his face that is

986
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: really going to be the determining factor of how well

987
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: this movie does. It's not like you're remaking one of

988
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: the best films of all time from that decade. It's

989
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: also a pretty straight ahead action movie, which have become

990
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: a harder sell at the box office. Speaking of Tom Gruse,

991
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: he had a hard time selling those last two Mission

992
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 1: Impossible movies. And it all comes down to, is Glenn

993
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: Powell somebody who makes people want to go spend their

994
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: money and watch a movie like this in the theater.

995
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: I think it does well. I wanted to do well.

996
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: I have been a big fan of his work for

997
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,439
Speaker 1: a long time. Now I want it to be successful.

998
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: He is right there on the cusp of if he

999
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: has one or two big hits, he could be in

1000
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: everything for the next two years. He could start suffering

1001
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: from what Pedro Pascal is suffering right now of people

1002
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: just being like, oh, another Pedro Pesqcal at the theater.

1003
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: He's not quite there yet. He needs that big success

1004
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: and I think this could be that first big push

1005
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: to mega stardom. So I'm all in for it. The

1006
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Speaker 1: Riding Man is coming out in theaters on November Fourteenth's

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Speaker 1: head That for was this week's edition of movie Line

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Speaker 1: tram or Bar and that is gonna do it for

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Speaker 1: another episode here of the podcast. But before I go,

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Speaker 1: I gotta give my listeners shout out of the week.

1011
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: Love going over to Facebook and TikTok and Instagram and

1012
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 1: checking all the things there. The place I am always

1013
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: the most hesitant to go over to, though, is YouTube

1014
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: because YouTube is so brutally honest. The people there are

1015
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: either gonna build you up or tear you down, and

1016
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: most of the time they're going to tear you down.

1017
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Speaker 1: But I do spend a lot of time over there

1018
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Speaker 1: posting videos. If you missed last week's interview with Robert England,

1019
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: the full thing is up for you right there, so

1020
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Speaker 1: be sure to subscribe YouTube dot com, slash my Distro.

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Speaker 1: You can find the link in the episode notes. And

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Speaker 1: this week's listener shout out goes to SBZ so Committed,

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Speaker 1: who commented on my Robert England review on YouTube and said,

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Speaker 1: we need one more Freddy movie out of him. I

1025
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Speaker 1: can't take it. He is the goat, which is kind

1026
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: of what I was trying to get to while talking

1027
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Speaker 1: to him in that interview, as I started to ask

1028
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Speaker 1: him about the physical demands, because I really believe that

1029
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: is kind of what kept him from doing the role

1030
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Speaker 1: further now into his seventies. He is seventy eight years old.

1031
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Speaker 1: So as much as we want to see him play

1032
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: Freddy one more time, I just don't think he has

1033
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: it in him at this point. If they wanted to

1034
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Speaker 1: make an animated version of a Nightmare on ELM Street,

1035
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: I think he would be all for it and that

1036
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Speaker 1: would be fantastic. But if we get another Nightmare on

1037
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Speaker 1: Elm Street movie, sadly is just gonna be somebody different.

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Speaker 1: But appreciate that. Thank you for being subscribed over on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening wherever you are right now, and

1040
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Speaker 1: until next time, go go out and watch good movies

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Speaker 1: and I will talk to you later