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Speaker 1: and welcome to tech Stuff. My name is Chris Polatin,

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Speaker 1: I'm an editor and how stuff works dot Com. Sitting

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Speaker 1: across from me as usual as senior writer Jonathan Strickland.

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Speaker 1: The most merciful thing in the world, I think is

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm just thinking about that that introduction. I've

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Speaker 1: been saying that almost four times, four hundred times. Actually,

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Speaker 1: technically you've said it more than four hundred times. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's true because this is our four episode guys, who

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Speaker 1: but explains the streamers in the balloon? Yeah? Yeah, Also,

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Speaker 1: up for hours anyway. So you guys who have been

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Speaker 1: four hundred episodes. I can't believe it. And neither can we.

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Speaker 1: But technically we've actually recorded more than four hundred episodes

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Speaker 1: this podcast, we recorded several test episodes that never published. Yes,

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Speaker 1: they're buried out back somewhere. Yeah, they And I know

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Speaker 1: what you're all thinking. You're thinking, Jonathan and Chris, are

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Speaker 1: you telling me that there were some episodes from early

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Speaker 1: words can hurt. But yeah, those those episodes just really

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Speaker 1: didn't work. And so for our four hundred episode, we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about stuff that doesn't work, like never mind. Um, so, hey,

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Speaker 1: all right, So let's I was going to make a

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Speaker 1: talk about a whole bunch of different things. Some of

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Speaker 1: And actually there's there's another device, type of device called

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Speaker 1: pour some water into this this engine looking thing, it

430
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: would start running, and he would do this to people

431
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: who he would court as investors. So he'd bring these

432
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: investors in give him a demonstration of this device where

433
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: water seemingly was all that was needed to create this

434
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: massive amount of power. And it worked. I mean it

435
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: worked in the sense that it got investors interested enough

436
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: to pour money into his uh um, into his invention.

437
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: And the scientific community said, this doesn't sound too likely

438
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: to us. But that didn't really matter so much because

439
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, this was an era where engineers were coming

440
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: up with really interesting inventions and sometimes as inventions were

441
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: working for reasons that the engineers couldn't really explain because

442
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: O our scientific knowledge had not reached the point where

443
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: we could really comprehend everything that was going on. Didn't

444
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: mean that the inventions weren't working, or that they were

445
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: they were fake or whatever. It just meant that we

446
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: didn't know why they worked. Well, that's what these investors

447
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: were hoping for back in the seventy five. It really

448
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: helped Keeley too, that he was a charismatic person that

449
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: you like to use a um scientific sounding jargon to

450
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: confuse those investors. And yeah, he sounded like he knew

451
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 1: what he was doing, and he uh um, he had

452
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: the stage presence to pull it off. You know, he

453
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: looked and sounded like he was the real deal. Well

454
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: that's and and that's that's still that's still common today

455
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: where you'll have some hoaxters out there who will use

456
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: pseudo scientific terms in order to baffle their their audience

457
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: into thinking that they know what's going on. Stop, I

458
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: don't believe you. So then there's a well let me

459
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: talk about what happened with this motor here. Um, So

460
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: he was showing this engine, I should say, he's showing

461
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: off this engine over and over and over again and

462
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: kept getting investors. Well, then Keiley keeled over and see

463
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: what you did there? Yeah, he shuffled off the mortal coil,

464
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,959
Speaker 1: he joined the choir invisible, he rolled ran up the curtain.

465
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: This was an X, This was an ex Keily. And

466
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: so when he died, some investigators started checking out his

467
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: stuff because hey, you know, there's this engine that he

468
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: had been working on for for more than a decade,

469
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: for more than two decades, and it would still be

470
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: a very valuable contribution if it actually worked, even though

471
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: he just kept on getting investments and never really produced anything. Well,

472
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: the investigators discovered that there was a secret to this

473
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: engine that in the basement of his house. He had

474
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: a compressed air machine, and he had a hose going

475
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: all the way up to the engine that was hidden.

476
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: The hose itself was hidden from view. The engine, by

477
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: the way, was two floors up from the basement, so

478
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: it was a pretty long hose. But it turned out

479
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 1: that the compressed air was what was making the engine run,

480
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: not the water. The water had nothing to do with it.

481
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: So there was another external power source that was coming

482
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: in doing work on this engine, making it move, and

483
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: that the whole thing, the entire time, was a complete hoax.

484
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: It was just a way of building money out of

485
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: gullible investors, which at that point the scientific community uh

486
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: managed heroically to resist the urge of saying, ha, ha

487
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: told you so. Well, it's less satisfying than the person

488
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: that you tell is dead. Yeah. Well the people and

489
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: the investors, yeah, they were probably poorer for it. But

490
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: and you know, again, there a lot of other interesting

491
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: kind of hoaxes out there. There was one that was

492
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: really recent as of the recording of our four episode

493
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: Spectacular by a fellow named Yarno Smeets sat Yeah. Smeets

494
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: released a viral video that you guys may have seen.

495
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: It got a lot of attention very early on, and

496
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: a lot of critical reception as well. I mean, I

497
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: think every single discussion I saw had at least a

498
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: few people specifically saying something's thinky here, well, how long

499
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: have people been trying to do what Smeats in the

500
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: video allegedly did when you know, he strapped a set

501
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: of wings on himself, you know, flapped his arms and

502
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: took off. Yeah, that's exactly what happened. Want to do

503
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: that in the video? He had this in the video,

504
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: he had this large set of wings that were that

505
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: were a match to his back, and he had these um,

506
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: these handles that he could hold, and when he pulled

507
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: down the handles, the wings would flap and he would

508
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: He ran down a field and seemingly took off from

509
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: the field and started to fly around just by flapping

510
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: his wings. And meanwhile all of his cohorts are whooping

511
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: and hollering and and celebrating down below. And a lot

512
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: of people were, uh, let's say, skeptical for about this,

513
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: and reasonably so. Well, you have to if you're going

514
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: to do this, just remember well, first of all, don't

515
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: try this at home. And second of all, don't fly

516
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: too close to the sun because it will melt the

517
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: wax that hold your feathers. Okay, lists, I'm okay, I'm

518
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: going to I just want to. I want to point

519
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: out the thought process that the skeptics took. So in

520
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: order to fly, you have to have enough lift to

521
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: counteract your weight. Yes, the force of gravity pulling you

522
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: down right, So the lift has to be equal to

523
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: or greater than the force of gravity pulling you downward.

524
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: And lift is generated by a couple of different things, uh,

525
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: including the angle of attack for your wings, also the

526
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: shape of the wing itself, different scenair pressure there. There

527
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: are multiple things that go into it. It's pretty complicated, actually,

528
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: but you have to be able to counteract that gravity

529
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: with these these other factors in order to fly. And uh, really,

530
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: the the math just doesn't work out when it comes

531
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: to human powered flight like in this way. Um they

532
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: figured one one estimation I saw was that the fellow

533
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: weighed probably around eight hundred Newton's when Newton is a

534
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: point to to five pounds it's often used in these

535
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: sort of physics uh calculations, And that the the gear

536
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: they estimated to be at another three hundred Newton's, which

537
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: means they have uh, they would have even newtons of

538
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: lift would need to be generated in order to take off,

539
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: and it just doesn't appear to be physically possible. So

540
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: just based on that alone, the video was called into question,

541
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: and Sweets, to his credit, did eventually say, yeah, it

542
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: was you know, it was it was a it was

543
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: all a ruse. It was a hoax. It was a joke.

544
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: It was a video that we did. Ha ha ha ha. Yeah,

545
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 1: he explained the whole thing. Yeah, um, which is, you know,

546
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: slightly different approach than the ones are, the one taken

547
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: by the he needs back when the balloon Boy episode

548
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: went up. Balloon Boy, we'll talk about him in a second. Yeah,

549
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: it just reminded me of that. Yeah, we'll have to

550
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: We'll have to talk about balloon Boy because that's a

551
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:01,239
Speaker 1: great hoax story, great especially because as no one at

552
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: the end of it was hurt physically. So yeah, yeah,

553
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: So he he actually just came clean and said, you know,

554
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: and and unashamedly so that this was you know, kind

555
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: of a uh, this was kind of just a joke

556
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: and um, and it was an effective one, effective enough

557
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: so that some people I know we're posting this, and

558
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: you could tell that they were kind of skeptical, but

559
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: they were also really hoping it was real, which, you know,

560
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: you can't blame him. That whole idea of flight has

561
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: always been something that humans have been interested in and

562
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: and the thought of being able to fly under your

563
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: own power is very, um is a very alluring idea.

564
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: But uh, I don't know that I knew anyone who

565
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: bought it hook line and sinker, but there were quite

566
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: a few people who were obviously hoping it was true

567
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: not true, and sadly balloom Boy was gladly not true.

568
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: So ballooon Boy. If you do not remember balloon Boy,

569
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: I remember I was. That was when we were working

570
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: here already, because I remember work in the office. Stopped

571
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: to find out about more about this balloon Boy thing. Um.

572
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: So there was this, uh, this family that had a

573
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: a saucer shaped balloon. Some people might say UFO shaped balloon,

574
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: but that doesn't make any sense unidentified flying objects shaped

575
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: balloon balloon. By its definition, he's identified, so it can't.

576
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: I'm just saying flying saucer. Yes, it was more like

577
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: a flying saucer with a little basket thing underneath. Yeah,

578
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: and that um that the family said that they could

579
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: not locate the youngest boy in the family and falcon,

580
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: and they feared that falcon was flying and this balloon

581
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: thus the balloon boy and it had broken loose from

582
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: its tethers, and they thought that perhaps he wouldn't he

583
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: might be aboard, and news helicopters took off because it

584
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: was flying by itself, you know, just wandering as balloons are, right,

585
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: And so you had all these law enforcement agencies trying

586
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: to figure out how were they going to try and

587
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: bring the balloon down to in a way that would

588
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: get that would most guarantee the boy's safety, because um,

589
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's you could shoot it down. Flooding plummeting

590
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: from the sky is not the best way to preserve

591
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: a little boy's uh physical health. So there was a

592
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: lot of discussion about what they needed to do, and

593
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: at the same time, you had a lot of critical

594
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: thinkers out there saying, hang on, this balloon isn't really

595
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,760
Speaker 1: behaving the way it would if there were a little

596
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: boy aboard there. I mean, the little boy would have

597
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: to weigh nothing for this balloon to be behaving the

598
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: way it is which is true. The little boy wade

599
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: nothing because there was no little boy inside the balloon.

600
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 1: It was not behaving as it would if it had

601
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: a weight inside it, and uh, and so it still

602
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: was a very dramatic, uh event. You know, people were

603
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 1: really following it closely. And then the balloon did crash

604
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: and people went there and looked, and there was no

605
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: boy within the balloon. Then there was a worry for

606
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: a while that perhaps the boy had fallen out of

607
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: the balloon sometime midflight. I remember the news reports showing

608
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: the map of the area that it had traversed, and

609
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: how they were discussing how they were going to uh

610
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: conduct the search and things. Speaking of conducting searches. Uh,

611
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: it turns out when the law enforcement authorities conducted a

612
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: search of their home, they found the little boy upstairs,

613
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: hiding in the attic. And then they just they were

614
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: all relieved because, oh, we thought you were on the

615
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: They just they just had to lean on that little

616
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: boy a little bit and he he cracked like a peanut.

617
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: On National TV. He said, you guys said, we did

618
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: this for the show. Apparently they were trying to get

619
00:36:53,840 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: themselves a TV show, and um, they got themselves. Apparently

620
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: they got themselves legal charges because they had expended a

621
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: lot of manpower and fuel trying to figure out what

622
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: was going on with this balloon. It's not nice to

623
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 1: full mother nature or law enforcement. Yes, yes, yeah, they

624
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: they were. They did not get a deal out of that,

625
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: not a good one anyway. Um, yeah, that was. That

626
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: was one of the more famous hoaxes there. There's some

627
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: other ones. Um, liquid mountaineering, you remember that, not really so.

628
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: There were these viral videos that came out a couple

629
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: of years ago and they were called it was it

630
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: was a new sport air quotes called liquid mountaineering, and

631
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: the idea that was perpetuated in these videos was that

632
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: if you were to generate enough speed in your run

633
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: and come down towards a water surface at a weird angle.

634
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 1: Usually you'd have to run down like the banks of

635
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: a lake or a river u but not straight at

636
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: the water. You're coming in at from an angle that

637
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: you could supposedly make it out three or four steps

638
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: across the water before you fell through the idea somehow

639
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: that you're moving fast enough where you are skipping across

640
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: the water, you you don't break that surface tension of

641
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: the water itself, which is ridiculous. It's just it absolutely,

642
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: patently ridiculous. The first time I saw it, I thought, well,

643
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 1: that's that's a clever hoax, and I knew exactly how

644
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: it had to have been done, and it turned out

645
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: that is exactly how it was done. So in the

646
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: videos it does look pretty convincing. You see these people

647
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: running at a weird angle and they get like three

648
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: or four steps out before they fall in. And the

649
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: the idea that everyone was saying was that if you

650
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: were able to keep up the speed, you could perhaps

651
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: go indefinitely. That if you were really super fast, you

652
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: could Remo Williams style run across the water. Service have

653
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: you seen Remo Williams uh? Nor have I seen Jaws?

654
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: So I imagine that running across the water could get

655
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: you eaten by a shark. Well, but Remo Williams is

656
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: a is a fantastic documentary. You have to go watching

657
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: h so anyway, Actually, fantastic documentary is probably going a

658
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: bit far, but it's fun. It's kind of in the

659
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: same It feels like it's in the same universe as

660
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: Buck rubans Eye. Did you see Buck RUBANSI? But I

661
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: read the comic book Oh No Palette, episode four hundred

662
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: and my illusions are all shattered. Um, well, we'll have

663
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: a movie marathon of Jaws, Rema Williams and Bucka Rubansa.

664
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: How about how a big trouble little China? Have you

665
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:37,919
Speaker 1: seen that? Can we get back on the top because

666
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: that's also in that universe? Oh no, well, there's moving

667
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: marathon's getting longer and longer anyway. So the running, well,

668
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: the way this was actually accomplished was very simple, and

669
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: sometimes those simple ideas of the best. They had a

670
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: clear platform that was under the surface of the water

671
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: by you know, like half an inch, so clear platform

672
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: under the water. You can't see it. It looks like

673
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: there's nothing there. There are actual gimmicks out there for

674
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: certain magic tricks that work on a similar idea, where

675
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: you've got you actually have a divider within a container

676
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: that when you've got the water in the container, you

677
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: can't tell that there's a divider in there at all.

678
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: It just blends right in same sort of thing. This

679
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,479
Speaker 1: platform was under the surface of the water. You could

680
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: not see it from the surface, especially at the angles

681
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: they had picked, because you know, clearly didn't want to

682
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: make sure that it looks as good as possible, And

683
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: so when people were running across the water, they were

684
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: actually running on a platform and when the platform ran out,

685
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: they went through the water because it doesn't work. You

686
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,959
Speaker 1: can't do that. And it turned out the whole thing

687
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: where it was a sort of an advertisement campaign, that

688
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: was this viral advertisement attempt and it worked. You know,

689
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: it's hard to engineer a viral video, you know, it's

690
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: it's one of those things that usually a viral video

691
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: happens just on its own. Its not like if you

692
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: try to push for a viral video often that fails.

693
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: In this case, it worked. But it was one that

694
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: was funded by a company called High Tech Sports that

695
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: made sport equipment, sport gearling shoes and things like that,

696
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: and everyone in the video was wearing that kind of

697
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: equipment and uh yeah, and so it turned out that

698
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: it was really just sort of a clever viral ad

699
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: and uh it did you know they that game worked

700
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: for quite a while. It took a while before anyone

701
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: really tackled it and uh and showed that it was impossible. Um,

702
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: have you heard of the Pogue carburetor? Is this one

703
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: that was supposed to go like a hundred miles or

704
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: something more than that two miles three miles on a

705
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: gallon of gas, invented by a theoretically invented by a

706
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 1: Canadian guy named Charles Nelson Pogue. You wanted me to say,

707
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: Riley Uh Nelson really? Um who? Yes? Unbelievably, Charles Nelson

708
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: Poe apparently never appeared on the match game. Um no,

709
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: he he had. Again, this is the same kind of

710
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: thing kids. Um so yeah, Apparently if you uh operated

711
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: this carburetor at a a certain temperature, and you added

712
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 1: the fuel in a vapor state rather than a really

713
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,959
Speaker 1: a wet state where the part the droplets of water

714
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: I mean sorry, droplets of gasoline were introduced into the carburetor,

715
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: then you could get a much more efficient reaction. Uh,

716
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: of course you This is one of those things that

717
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,479
Speaker 1: uh uh you can be skeptical of when you start

718
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: to hear that he really didn't let people get a

719
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: close look at what he was doing. Um, he didn't.

720
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: From what I've read, he didn't seem to uh try

721
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: to capitalize on this too much. He it sort of faded.

722
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: But uh, people started talking about some units that were

723
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: smuggled out of the laboratory and you know that they

724
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: could put in your car. Um. And this this is

725
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: one of those things that I think sort of on

726
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: its own, would have died out if not for the

727
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: rumors about it. And there's still some that that are

728
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: out there that say that the uh that, um, the

729
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: gasoline industry doesn't want people to know about this because

730
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: it's a hidden technology that would make them obsolete. So

731
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 1: they they're hushing it up um. And there are people

732
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 1: promising that they could they could get it out there

733
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: and uh um there that they can give this to

734
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: you if you'll just you know, fork over some money,

735
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: will help you out with this. But the whole conspiracy

736
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: angle is a very very popular one to play when

737
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: you're running a hoax. Oh yeah, because all you have

738
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: to do is is suggests that there are other people

739
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: who do not want this to go out because it

740
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: would ruin their businesses. And then you immediately give your own,

741
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: your own efforts sort of credibility there, because you're saying, look, clearly,

742
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: it's in their best interest to prevent this from ever

743
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: coming out. Yeah, why would they be trying so hard

744
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: to defeat me if I weren't right? Right? Yeah? Yeah,

745
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: that that plays into something else I'll talk about in

746
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: a second. I was I just wanted to mention that no, cool, cool, No, No,

747
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 1: I was going to talk about fusion and cold fusion. Now,

748
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: now this is a little different, but it has some

749
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: similarities to what you were just talking about. First of all,

750
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: fusion is real, all right, we're not We're not saying

751
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: that fusion does not work. We talked about it in

752
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: our nuclear weapons podcast about how the fusion bomb works,

753
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: right right, Yeah, and how you take two atoms and

754
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: put a tiny little drop of superglue in there so

755
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: they gloom together. Yeah. That superglue is called a neutron anyway,

756
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: So in a fusion reactor would be phenomenal if we

757
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: could get one to work, because we fusion is what

758
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: the Sun does. That's that's how the Sun generates energies

759
00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: through fusion. It's fusing hydrogen into helium and a temperature

760
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: millions of degrees do. But but yeah, the the energy

761
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: released when when two atoms fused together like that is amazing. Yes,

762
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: And but the problem is that in order to achieve fusion,

763
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: from what we know right now, what is required is

764
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: huge amounts of pressure and temperature. Actually Uh, if you

765
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: had a temperature high enough, the pressure wouldn't be as important.

766
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: But pressure higher pressure means that the temperature requirement starts

767
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: to drop. But you need an incredible amount of both

768
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: in order to achieve fusion. And that's been one of

769
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: those problems that scientists have been trying to tackle for

770
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: more than a decade as they try to create a

771
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: fusion reactor, because nuclear reactors work on fussion, not fusion,

772
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: but the right right. But there are a lot of

773
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: different labs across the world they're working on trying to

774
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: create fusion, and they're doing this through things like using

775
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: high powered lasers to initiate that first reaction to create

776
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: the conditions necessary to have fusion. But uh, there's a

777
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: joke within nuclear physics that fusion reactors are thirty years away,

778
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: and ten years from now they will be thirty years away,

779
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: and twenty years from now they'll be thirty years away.

780
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: That's just gonna be a moving goalpost that that we

781
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: never achieve. Now, that may not be true. We may

782
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: tackle that and and and beat it. We may figure

783
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: out how to create a fusion reactor that is reliable

784
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: and does not require so much energy to initiate it.

785
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: That it is that it is not impractical, right, because

786
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: that's the other problem is that you know, you've got

787
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: to have a practical reactor doesn't If it works, but

788
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: it takes way too much energy to get it going,

789
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: then it's not really practical. So those are the two goals. Well,

790
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: cold fusion is this idea that you are able to

791
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: create fusion reactions and generate energy, but at a temperature

792
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: much lower than a typical fusion reaction would require. So

793
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: we're talking not necessarily room temperature, still telling in temperature

794
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: in the hundreds of degrees, but not millions of degrees. Yeah.

795
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: Now I remember, of course the thing that you're about

796
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: to talk about, uh, in just a moment here um,

797
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 1: because I was in I think high school, um, and

798
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: uh yeah, that was it was. It caused a sensation because, um,

799
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: there were a couple of scientists who said, hey, we've

800
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: managed to create fusion at room temperature. That would be

801
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: Ponds and Fleishman. Very famous, uh, famous for both the

802
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: the hoopla surrounding the announcement and the fallout that followed

803
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: because it was it was ugly, I mean in scientific circles,

804
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: it was about as ugly as it could get. So

805
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: Ponds and Fleishman had done this experiment and they were

806
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: they discovered that there was this this heat that was

807
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: being generated in the experiment that they could not explain easily,

808
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: and so they were trying to find the source of

809
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: this anomalous eat and in part of their their experiments

810
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: and then their observations, they determined that it must have

811
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: been the result of fusion, that that the elements within

812
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: their experiment were fusing together, and that the heat was

813
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: a byproduct of that, which was phenomenal because at those

814
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: temperatures that was unheard of. Uh. There were other labs

815
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: that tried to replicate their experiments, and some of the

816
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: early attempts appeared to at least lend some credence, including

817
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: one that happened at Georgia Tech. However, then there were

818
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: later experiments done with really well calibrated equipment that showed

819
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: no replicability this experiment. And by the way, in science,

820
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: that's really important. You have to if you have an

821
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 1: experiment and you've come to a conclusion that experiment needs

822
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: to be replicable, you need to be able to repeat

823
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: it and have the same outcome each time. Otherwise it's

824
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,959
Speaker 1: not it's not worth anything scientifically because if you can't

825
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: predicted and you can't replicate it, then there's nothing there.

826
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's the way science works. So the future

827
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: experiments seemed to negate Ponds and Flishman's um findings, and

828
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: Ponds and Flishman both continued to work in the field

829
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: and receive funding from various sources, including I think it

830
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: was a university in Utah that was funding some research

831
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: for quite some time, but then eventually they cut it

832
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: off because after years and years of research, there was

833
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: still no measurable impact. There was nothing that had really

834
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: come out of it. And uh. And so even to

835
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: this day, there are plenty of scientists out there who

836
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: are trying to find out if cold fusion really does,

837
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 1: like if if it really can't exist, And there's there's

838
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: nothing necessarily in physics that says it's impossible. It's just

839
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: that based upon everything we've observed, it seems very improbable

840
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: and that it would take extraordinary proof to counteract that.

841
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 1: I've actually read some very interesting thoughts from various physicists,

842
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: including skeptics of cold fusion, who think that the scientific

843
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: environment surrounding cold fusion is um counterproductive because what what

844
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 1: cold fusion proponents would say is that the scientific community

845
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: is biased against cold fusion, right, that that they they

846
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: believe that that they're being dogmatic, that they believe without

847
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: without reason, that cold fusion is impossible, and they dismiss

848
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: it out of hand, and they will refuse to publish papers,

849
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: peer reviewed papers about cold fusion and peer reviewed journals.

850
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: So they're essentially saying that we're being ostracized by the

851
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: scientific community. Well, there's some people within the scientific community that,

852
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: you know, the consensus, the people who actually say that

853
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: cold fusion probably can't work, who say, you know what,

854
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: they've got something there. Because if we do not allow

855
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: them to submit papers to peer reviewed journals and actually

856
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: have peer review and undergo a strict scientific examination of

857
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: their processes, all we're really doing is reinforcing their belief

858
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: that they are right. So that maybe what the best

859
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: thing to do is open up a little bit more.

860
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: Take in these proposals, take in these studies, really take

861
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: a look at them, try and determine if there is

862
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: in fact anything there before just dismissing it, because otherwise,

863
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: all we're doing is creating this subculture that could very well.

864
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: They might be onto something, or it might be that

865
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: they're chasing a pipe dream. And if we were able

866
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 1: to say, look, we really did give this our full attention,

867
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: we really did listen to you, and this is what

868
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: we found, maybe those people would redirect their efforts into

869
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: something else instead of chasing something that isn't working. In

870
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: either case, it's a win, right. If if they're right,

871
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: If the if the cold fusion people are right, then

872
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: we've suddenly got an avenue to amazing ways of generating

873
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: energy that are potentially eco friendly, are totally renewable type

874
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: of sources. It would be almost endless energy. So that's

875
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: a great dream. Um. And if they're wrong, then we've

876
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: got all these really smart people who are otherwise following

877
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: a fool's errand moving on to something else. So either

878
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: way we win, right, And science is supposed to work

879
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: that way too, And you're not supposed to make a

880
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: decision on uh, the outcome until you've seen the results

881
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: of the experiment. Um, So it should be that you know,

882
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 1: people are getting a fair shake. Um, you know, once

883
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: they actually see the results of the experiment, not before

884
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: they've had an opportunity to try it out. Yeah, so

885
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: I and I want to go on record about the

886
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: whole cold fusion thing. From my perspective, I am very

887
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: skeptical that cold fusion works. But I don't dismiss it

888
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: out of hand because first of all, my my knowledge

889
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: of physics is limited, so and and chemistry as well.

890
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: This chemistry really plays a huge part in cold fusion.

891
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: In fact, that's what a lot of cold fusion uh

892
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: proponents say is the problem is that it's physicists who

893
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: are poo pooing cold fusion, and it should be chemists

894
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 1: who talk about it. Um. I admit that my knowledge

895
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: on both of those subjects is limited, so uh so,

896
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 1: I could you know it could very well work, but

897
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: just based upon the information I've read from scientists whom

898
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: I respect, I am, I am skeptical of it. Now.

899
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: If it does turn out to work, that is awesome

900
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: because it will be, and it will it would change

901
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: the world unlike anything else, Like I can't imagine any

902
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: technology changing the world more than cold fusion would. Yeah,

903
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: I agree with you there, I just don't think it's

904
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 1: going to happen Unsunfortunately, uh so, we had some other

905
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: kind of hoaxes that would be interesting to talk about

906
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: like you had a certain certain certain autopsy. Yeah, yeah,

907
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: I remember, yeah, yeah, I was watching an episode of

908
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: X Files. I remember, um yeah it was in the

909
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: ES when Fox here in the United States was showing

910
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: these uh the special on uh an alien body that

911
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: had been discovered. UM and uh you know this was

912
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: supposed to be uh footage video footage shot after the

913
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: Roswell supposed alien landing in Roswell. There's problems New Mexico problem,

914
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: no one. Those were those were spy balloons essentially um

915
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: crashed in Roswell as it As it turns out, UM,

916
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: they were actually using animal organs and raspberry jam inside

917
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: these supposed alien bodies. And the the camera camera person,

918
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: who was an Englishman named Ray Santilly, actually admitted to

919
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: it in two thousand and six. So the whole uh

920
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: scientific alien uncovering apparently not too much scientific. Yeah. I

921
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: remember seeing uh skeptics talk about that. I mean, obviously

922
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: they're going to as soon as that video hit the

923
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: airwaves and uh, and one of those skeptics was Rick Baker.

924
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: Do you recognize that name? Hollywood? Uh special effects and

925
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: makeup artists. He's He's done some amazing amazing work in

926
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: Hollywood on various documentaries and uh, and so he had

927
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: to throw that one in there too. But uh, yeah,

928
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: he said he just felt it was just a model puppet.

929
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 1: That's all it was was. It was not anything truly

930
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: organic in the sense of like this was not actually

931
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: a creature. Also reminds me of do you remember here

932
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: in Georgia we had the big foot bigfoot hoax? Yeah,

933
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: there were. I wish I didn't pull this information up

934
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: because I didn't think about it, so it doesn't really

935
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: fit with technology. But there was the hoax that a

936
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: couple of guys had had managed to either I can't

937
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 1: I guess they either killed the bigfoot or they came

938
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: upon its corpse, one of the two, and that they

939
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: had it preserved and they were going to show it off.

940
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: And it turned out that all it was was a

941
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: big foot costume and some meat that have been stuffed

942
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: into a like an iglue ice chest or something, and

943
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,720
Speaker 1: it still managed to cause quite a stir before before

944
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 1: anyone said hey, so yeah, I remember that. Um, but uh,

945
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 1: the I only have one other big um hoax that

946
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 1: I was going to talk about. Is there anything else

947
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: you wanted to chat about before we move into things

948
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: that make Jonathan's head explode. See you didn't when you

949
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: said that about the big foot. It reminded me of

950
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: the chupacabra, the one that washed up on which turned

951
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: out to be a hairless wolf. Yeah. Now, there there's

952
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 1: been There's been a few cases of animals that have

953
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: probably suffered something like mange that their their bodies have

954
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 1: washed up on the shores of various lakes. That always

955
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: end up starting off some discussion about here too for

956
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: undiscovered animal like a chupa cabra um, but not so

957
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: much chupa thinging. It's got a nice ring to it.

958
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: So did you have any other ones who want to

959
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: talk about? All right, so we're gonna segue into the

960
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: one that that gets me insanely angry. Should I get

961
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: the fire extinguisher you might want to, Okay? So, I

962
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: mean I get angry when people pull hoaxes on on

963
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: other folks for financial gain. If it's like a harmless

964
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: joke type thing, where the whole purpose of it is

965
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: just to say ha ha, I'm clever and and teach

966
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: you a lesson about critical thinking. That that can irritate me.

967
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: But I understand that and if it actually does serve

968
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: a purpose in teaching people to think critically, that's that's

969
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: a positive outcome. In my book, people who are uh

970
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: leveraging other folks vulnerability and pulling the wool over their

971
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: eyes in order to make money and potentially harming countless

972
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: people in the process get me so infuriated that it's

973
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: hard for me to form complete sentences. One of those

974
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:13,439
Speaker 1: people for us, one of those people is Jim McCormick. Now,

975
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: Jim McCormick created something called the a d E six

976
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: five one bomb Detector. Now, this bomb detector, what it

977
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: looked like was that you had like a kind of

978
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: a thing that would clip onto your belt and there

979
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: would be a cable that would run from that to

980
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: a handheld device that had this antenna looking thing that

981
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: came out of it. And supposedly this device was capable

982
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: of sniffing out a bomb as far away as a kilometer,

983
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: so that you could actually detect bombs even if they

984
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: were underground or flying overhead or whatever. You would be

985
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: able to detect these bombs. And McCormick ended up selling

986
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: these at around forty dollars of pop to the Iraqi

987
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: government after the the the United States got involved with

988
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: with trying to deal with all that. So you had

989
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: this very vulnerable population, and you had a very solid

990
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: need for bomb detection equipment because there were a lot

991
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: of improvised explosive devices i e. D s that people

992
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: were worried about. You had folks who were willing to

993
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: be a suicide bomber. So there were a lot of

994
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: reasons why you would want this, and it would help

995
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: a lot with things like roadblocks and and you know,

996
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: vehicle checks and all this kind of stuff that most

997
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: of us, thankfully don't have to worry about, all right,

998
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: but for the people who do have to worry about them,

999
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: it is a very real concern. And so they had

1000
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: a true need and we're very vulnerable. And McCormick came

1001
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: up and said, here's this device. It can detect things

1002
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: from up to a kilometer away. Um, it's completely reliable.

1003
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: You should buy them. And so the Iraqi government purchased

1004
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: for around eighty five million dollars worth of these things.

1005
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: M hmm. Here's the problem. They don't work. There's nothing

1006
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: in them. If you were to open up the the handset,

1007
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: you would just see that the antennas just screwed into

1008
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: a little plastic casing. It doesn't have anything in it.

1009
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: The cable doesn't carry any information to it. You would

1010
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: have these little cards that would supposedly help you sniff

1011
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: out different types of bombs, that should slide into a slot.

1012
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: The cards did nothing. The slot did nothing. Inside the

1013
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: the the belt case was you know, useless stuff like

1014
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: you might find some wires and things, but they weren't

1015
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: connected to anything. It was just and it was really

1016
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: just a case and a bunch of unconnected wires. So

1017
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: there was no physical way this thing could work. There

1018
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:49,479
Speaker 1: was just nothing that would give it any sort of functionality. Um.

1019
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: And it turned out that apparently McCormick was also a

1020
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: believer in dowsing, which makes perfect sense because dowsing is

1021
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: again something has no evidence. There's no evidence at all

1022
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: to support dowsing. Dowsing is more of a of a

1023
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: video was it called It's the it's the effect that

1024
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: you have where you cannot you know, you make small,

1025
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: tiny little emotions with your hands that you don't consciously detect,

1026
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: but you're making them, and as a result, things in

1027
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: your hands might move around a little bit, and you

1028
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: may think they're moving on their own accord or some

1029
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: other external forces acting on them. But really it's just

1030
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: you doing it. And I know our listeners probably know

1031
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: the term for that. It just escaped my mind. So

1032
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: feel free to write in and let me know, because

1033
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure that after about fifty of those, I'll never

1034
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: forget again and you'll be doing me a service. Um.

1035
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, so McCormick had sold millions of dollars of these.

1036
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: He eventually was taken into custody and uh and and

1037
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: charged with fraud. Here's the other tragic part of this.

1038
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: The Iraqi government acknowledge that some of the devices would

1039
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: not work, but did not discontinue using the as devices

1040
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: because well, I can't really say why, because because I

1041
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: don't know, right, I'm not probably the Iraqi government, I

1042
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: would suspect that part of the reason was that it

1043
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: was trying to save face, because to admit that they

1044
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,919
Speaker 1: had spent eighty five million dollars on a fraud would

1045
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: have been deeply embarrassing, and so maybe they weighed that

1046
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: against like do we want to lose that much face

1047
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: or do we want to just quietly keep using this

1048
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: knowing it doesn't work with the with the with the

1049
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: knowledge paired with that knowing that people could die as

1050
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: a result. If someone has given a piece of equipment

1051
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: and told that this is what it does, and he

1052
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: or she truly believes that that's the case, then you

1053
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: have just put that person at risk and they could

1054
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: lose their lives in the process. And to me, that

1055
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: is just so reprehensible, both on the part of McCormick

1056
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: and on the part of the government that I knew

1057
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: that it was a fraud at that point but refused

1058
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: to get rid of it. It's unthinkable to me. I

1059
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: can't I can't imagine being so so uncaring as to

1060
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: be able to perpetuate that sort of crime on people.

1061
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: And this is where I get angry. I mean, I've

1062
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: done talks about critical thinking and technology a couple of times.

1063
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: This is always the piece that I end on and

1064
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: the reason why I end on this pieces. I think

1065
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: it is so important to illustrate why critical thinking is

1066
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: fundamental in everything we do, not just technology. And I

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Speaker 1: will be the first to admit that I have I

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Speaker 1: have had lapses in critical thinking myself. There are times

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Speaker 1: where I will see something and I accept it, and

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Speaker 1: then later on I see that I was wrong, and

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Speaker 1: I think all the indicators were there, And if I

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Speaker 1: had only paid attention and thought about this for more

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Speaker 1: than a second rather than just accept it, then I

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Speaker 1: could have I could have been free of being fooled

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Speaker 1: of it from the beginning. And it's good to have

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Speaker 1: those moments and to realize that we're all fallible and

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Speaker 1: we can all make these mistakes, and if we're just careful,

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Speaker 1: then we will make fewer of those mistakes in the future. UM.

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Speaker 1: But that's why I always end with this piece, because

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Speaker 1: I think I think our listeners are the smart kind

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Speaker 1: of people who know that if they're just if they're

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Speaker 1: careful and they think about things, and they really say,

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Speaker 1: based upon all the information that we have so far,

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Speaker 1: is this really likely? Or could this just be a

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Speaker 1: scam or a trick or someone who has deluded themselves

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Speaker 1: into believing that something that is impossible is possible. UM.

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Speaker 1: I recommend everyone out there just follow that that sort

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Speaker 1: of philosophy. You know, Skepticism doesn't mean that you are

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Speaker 1: dismissing something out of hand, because to do that is

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01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: to be dogmatic, and that's not what skepticism means. Skepticism

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01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: means that you are examining things, you're looking for evidence.

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Speaker 1: You are looking for that causal relationship that is necessary

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01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: to say that this one thing makes this other thing happen.

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Speaker 1: You're using science. Science is a process. It's not a

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Speaker 1: philosophy necessarily. It's it's a process of observing our universe,

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01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: drawing conclusions, and making predictions based on those conclusions that

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Speaker 1: should come true based upon what we know, and if

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Speaker 1: they don't come true, it means we have to re

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Speaker 1: examine what we thought we knew and try and come

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Speaker 1: up with new sets of rules and guidelines and so so, guys, Um,

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Speaker 1: I think, I think everyone who listens to this show,

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Speaker 1: everyone who has written into us, shows that they have

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Speaker 1: this capability, and I encourage you to continue to develop it.

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Speaker 1: And just know that even the smartest people out there

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Speaker 1: can be fooled into these the stuff that doesn't work

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Speaker 1: right right well, and there's there's just going to be

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Speaker 1: more of it, um, whether it's you know, got good

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Speaker 1: intentions behind it, like um, the scientists trying to create

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Speaker 1: perpetual motion machines in the past, or uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: the cold fusion experiments or which who knows, maybe they'll

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Speaker 1: turn out yep, yep, well, it's it's worth investigating on

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Speaker 1: a scientific basis. Um. And uh, you know, then there

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Speaker 1: are the others where people are intentionally trying to defraud others.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's it's we're never going to be uh

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Speaker 1: in a world where people don't try new things, whether

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Speaker 1: it's for good or or still cash. Um, there are

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Speaker 1: plenty of plenty of people out there who are ready

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Speaker 1: and willing to prey upon those who are willing to believe.

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Speaker 1: So maybe for our eight we'll tackle a whole new

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Speaker 1: set of tech that doesn't work. Yeah, yeah, I think yeah,

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Speaker 1: that'll be our our four hundreds. Every every multiple of

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Speaker 1: four hundred, we'll just do new stuff that doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm okay with that. But by episode that

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Speaker 1: might be us. So it's the guys, thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for listening to our show. We don't say it often enough.

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Speaker 1: We love you. Guys. Were so glad that you listen

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Speaker 1: to us. We hope that you've been enjoying our show

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Speaker 1: so far. We plan on doing this as long as

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Speaker 1: they led us to do it. We're not We're not

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Speaker 1: going anywhere unless uh, well, you know, unless there's something

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Speaker 1: that we just can't can't control. Because sometimes that we

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Speaker 1: don't work either. Well, there was that one day when

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Speaker 1: we came into record and we couldn't because the text

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Speaker 1: just didn't work. That's true. There are those days actually happen.

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Speaker 1: That does happen even to the best of us. But

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Speaker 1: if you guys have any suggestions for future episode topics

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Speaker 1: you would like us to tackle, let us know. You

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Speaker 1: can email us our addresses tech stuff at Discovery dot com,

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