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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sanny and Smitha and welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I never told you a protection of iHeartRadio, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to another edition of Fictional Women Around the World. Spoilers,

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Speaker 1: but nothing too major. I'm trying to avoid it. The

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Speaker 1: season finale for season two of poker Face just came

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Speaker 1: out this very morning, and I'm still processing somethings, so

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Speaker 1: I'm trying not just boil it majorly. But it did

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Speaker 1: just happen. So if you want to avoid it completely,

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Speaker 1: then I recommend the show. It's on Peacock, which is

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Speaker 1: not a sponsor. But anyway, all right, today we are

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Speaker 1: talking about Charlie Cale from the television show poker Face,

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Speaker 1: who I would argue is neurodivergent, and I'm going to

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Speaker 1: get into that more later. So poker Face is a

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Speaker 1: mystery comedy drama show that debuted on Peacock, again not

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Speaker 1: a sponsor, in twenty twenty three. It currently has two seasons,

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Speaker 1: the second one just wrapped. It was created by Ryan

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Speaker 1: Johnson of Knives Out and The Last Jedi Fame and

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Speaker 1: features just a plethora of guest stars. I'm always shocked

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Speaker 1: who shows up on there. Guest writers and guest directors,

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Speaker 1: including Natasha Leone, who plays the main character. She actually

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Speaker 1: directed the finale of season two. It is highly influenced

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Speaker 1: by the show Colombo, which I have never seen. Oh

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Speaker 1: you haven't, No, have you seen it?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I grew up with very Matt Locke Colombo, not

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Speaker 1: She wrote that might be a ho misogynistic thing.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, because my family, my grandfather specifically watched those,

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Speaker 2: but my dad loved Colombo.

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Speaker 1: I looked it up because of this, because I was

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Speaker 2: He was kind of the not the original, but he

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Speaker 2: was definitely a big icon in that he was goofy

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Speaker 2: and seemingly like you're unsuspecting of his genius, but he

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Speaker 2: actually is a genius, and he's not your normal looking detective.

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Speaker 1: Yes. Well, in the last episode, which was directed by

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Speaker 1: usual of this series, they're the character in there who

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Speaker 1: That's when I was like, who is this? I had

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Speaker 1: see the icon yeah, the influence, yes, and okay. So

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Speaker 1: the show's protagonist, Charlie Kale, frequently smokes or vapes as

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Speaker 1: an homage to a Colombo character, and it's also how

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Speaker 1: the viewer, know usually who did it, it's how is

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Speaker 1: she going to figure it out? So here's a basic

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Speaker 1: rundown of the premise. Charlie Cale, played by Natasha Leone,

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Speaker 1: is a woman in her mid thirties who has this

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Speaker 1: detector is how she often describes herself. She's sort of

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Speaker 1: the antithesis to Anna de Armis's character and knives Out

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Speaker 1: because she couldn't lie. The thing is, she can't tell

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Speaker 1: This means she gets sucked into so Manie Shenanigan's especially

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Speaker 1: Onion when there was a bunch of detectives that Blanc's

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Speaker 1: to play it with our listeners, are we so long ago?

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Speaker 1: an episode called The Stall. This one is about like

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