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Speaker 1: And we welcome you into the dog Bowl in Maria.

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Speaker 1: This is episode four of the best podcast available and

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Speaker 1: it is time to pre the two thousand and twenty

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Speaker 1: NFL Combine. I'm Jason Gibbs alongside Brown, senior staff writer

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Speaker 1: Andrew Gribble. And Gribbs, it is finally here the annual

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Speaker 1: trek to Indianapolis, good Food, Kilroy's, and oh, by the way,

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Speaker 1: the NFL Scouting Combine. Yeah, and it's for a lot

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Speaker 1: of us Combine veterans. I mean, this will be my

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Speaker 1: time in these last few years when especially when you

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Speaker 1: is what it is for late February early March for

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Speaker 1: the NFL. So from a TV standpoint, this all made sense.

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Speaker 1: That's why this thing's gone to primetime for Thursday night,

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Speaker 1: preview show. Uh. We'll be joined by the special teams

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Speaker 1: probably looking at day three. UH. So that's where I

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Speaker 1: season with the same team, same kind of personnel than

431
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Speaker 1: it was maybe last year when you come in and

432
00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,479
Speaker 1: just trying to install a kind of a brand new

433
00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,199
Speaker 1: message for well, excit anything for me, Um, Andrew was

434
00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:48,680
Speaker 1: that you know, we have a new kicker and a

435
00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,560
Speaker 1: new punter. I mean, obviously they got a year under

436
00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,800
Speaker 1: their belt and it's different than a year ago. Um.

437
00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,120
Speaker 1: I thought they came in and you know, I had

438
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,000
Speaker 1: to beat out two very good players, and they did,

439
00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,000
Speaker 1: and I think they excelled and they got better. And UM,

440
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,720
Speaker 1: like I've told you guys in the media before, around

441
00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,040
Speaker 1: our fans before, around here, UM that those guys are

442
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,760
Speaker 1: just scratching the surface. They're going to be very, very

443
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,439
Speaker 1: good and and there's there's a reason to hope and

444
00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 1: reason to believe that we're going to continue to improve

445
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,400
Speaker 1: at the punter and kicker position. And I think our

446
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,040
Speaker 1: return is at a good job last year. I think

447
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,480
Speaker 1: we have a lot of room to grow there, whether

448
00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,200
Speaker 1: we bring in new people or get the guys better

449
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:21,840
Speaker 1: that we already have. I think that's gonna be my

450
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,280
Speaker 1: challenge is to find the right guys, find the right

451
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 1: mixture of the right chemistry and work with Andrew and

452
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 1: Kevin and get the best guys in here. So when

453
00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:30,959
Speaker 1: you get ready for a combine, you said you've been

454
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 1: watching a lot of tape. What what does that entail?

455
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 1: And you mentioned you've got your kicker and your punter,

456
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,440
Speaker 1: So that's a little bit different that that's maybe something

457
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,159
Speaker 1: of course you're gonna be aware of who's out there,

458
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,080
Speaker 1: but not something that has to be a focus. I

459
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,359
Speaker 1: would imagine, especially in coordinator, you have to watch all

460
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,920
Speaker 1: the linebackers, all the safeties, watch all these different people

461
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 1: because those are the guys that are ultimately going to

462
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Speaker 1: end up with you on special teams, especially early in

463
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Speaker 1: their careers. Through Absolutely, Um, I will be there for

464
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,920
Speaker 1: the whole week. Um, And I'm gonna get as many

465
00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 1: informal interviews uh accomplished that I can. And obviously all

466
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 1: the kickers, the three kickers, of seven punters, the two

467
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 1: snappers will interview them. We always have to have a

468
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 1: list ready. Even though we think we have are the

469
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 1: right guys at the at the snapper, kicker and punter positions,

470
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,439
Speaker 1: we always have to evaluate everybody who's out there. You know,

471
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 1: if we one of them turns an ankle, something happens,

472
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 1: I gotta miss a week or two. And there's a

473
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 1: guy on the street ready, you know, did I interview

474
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 1: him last year, two years ago? What did he you know,

475
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,120
Speaker 1: how did he do? Where has he been? He comes

476
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 1: in for a workout already having a relationship with these guys,

477
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,880
Speaker 1: and I think that helps. UM. I think my main

478
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,239
Speaker 1: focus this year will be obviously continue to help the

479
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 1: bottom end of the roster. And in terms of the

480
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,199
Speaker 1: like the positions you said, Nathan, the safety's, the linebackers,

481
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 1: the defensive ends, tight ends, running backs, fullbacks, getting those

482
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 1: guys UM help us, you know, cornerbacks of course, and

483
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 1: and getting them to help us win a lot of

484
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 1: games on special teams like they did this year at times. UM.

485
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 1: And I think the other main focus will be the

486
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 1: returner position. We really I'm hitting those hard right now.

487
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 1: I've got all the specialists ready, that twelve guys that

488
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 1: are going to the combine. I'm ready to go with

489
00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 1: those guys, and and about halfway through the returner list.

490
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 1: I'll finish that up this week and be ready for

491
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: the combine. What do you look for in a return

492
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 1: because obviously that was the one thing I think everybody

493
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,439
Speaker 1: and you've said, you know, our coverage was I think

494
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: excellent both punts and kick off some of the best

495
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 1: in the NFL. But you didn't get the big plays

496
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 1: you wanted out of the return game. So what is

497
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 1: it that you're looking for in a returner? And what

498
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 1: do you, as a especially in cornator, think about having

499
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 1: a guy who's that's that's his job. Some of the

500
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 1: best to do it. We're yeah, wide receiver hybrids, but

501
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 1: they were truly returners. Um, you have coach a bunch

502
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: of different types of big, strong kickoff returners like a

503
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 1: Cordil Patterson and a smaller, you know, quicker guy like

504
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: Marcus Sheryl's. And then last year we had don Trell

505
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: Hilliard and Durrance Johnson step up for us and did

506
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: a nice job. Tavier Thomas had a little bit for us. Um.

507
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: You know, I think Jervis Landry had a few returns

508
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 1: for us on punt return. So at the end of

509
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: the day, what I'm looking for is a guy that's

510
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 1: courageous punt return. Let's talk pount return first. A courageous

511
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: cast the ball on the crowd. He's got great tracking techniques,

512
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 1: which means he can get to the spot. Uh no,

513
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:00,959
Speaker 1: better too? Over his head is in front of him

514
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 1: as it left? Is it right? Can you get to

515
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 1: that spot under control? How is his catching mechanics, his elbows,

516
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,479
Speaker 1: his eyes, his his stance, you know, how wide does

517
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: his base all those little things that we teach me.

518
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: We may not see that a lot in college tape

519
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 1: because they're not being coached that as much because there's

520
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 1: so many other things that a college coach has to

521
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: do with recruiting and coaching a position and all that.

522
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,959
Speaker 1: So obviously it's my job to help coaches returners up.

523
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: So you know, at the end of the day them,

524
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 1: you know, we're looking for tracking mechanics, looking for catching mechanics,

525
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,880
Speaker 1: to look for courage. We're looking for speed, explosiveness, quickness.

526
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: Can you make that first guy, miss um? How big

527
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Speaker 1: is he? How strong is he? Can you break the

528
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: arm tackles? Uh? What kind of decisions does he make?

529
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 1: You can? And I want I don't just watch the returns.

530
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 1: I watched the ones that hit the ground. How does

531
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: he react the fair catches? Um? The the inside the

532
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 1: fifty you know, inside the twenty type punts? How does

533
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: he react as he bluffed? Is he fair catch too early? Uh?

534
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: Does he catch the ball at the two yard line

535
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: because he has no awareness? Those are all the type

536
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: of things I'm looking for. And I'm taking notes and

537
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 1: all these guys and the ranking them, comparing them and

538
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: kind of going from there. He mentioned that's a film

539
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: aspect that you'll sit to do a bunch of informal interview. Absolutely,

540
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: what is the number one thing you're trying to understand

541
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: when you get a chance to sit down with something,

542
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 1: Can I tell in fifteen minutes if a guy loves football?

543
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: That's my main focus. If a guy loves the game

544
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: and he's a good enough player to play in this league,

545
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 1: we got a shot. If he likes if he talks

546
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 1: about money, if he talks about fame, if he talks

547
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: about glory, if he talks about just about him as

548
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: a person in terms of his accomplishments, and maybe a

549
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: little selfish in that regard. Um, I'm looking for a

550
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: team guy that loves the game of football. If you've

551
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 1: got a team guy that loves a game of football,

552
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: they're good enough to play in this league. You know

553
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a pretty good player on our hands.

554
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: Kind of go back in time a little bit, where

555
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: we're Austin and Jamie on your radar. At this time

556
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,360
Speaker 1: last year, Um, I knew a lot about Austin, had

557
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: already evaluated him. I thought he was the one of

558
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: the top two kickers. He and Matt Gay from Utah

559
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: were the top two kickers going into the combine. Coming

560
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: out of the combine, I thought the same thing. I

561
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 1: knew both of them would be drafted. I did not

562
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: know much about Jamie prior to the combine. After the combine,

563
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: I watched him on tape. Personal guys that you need

564
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: to go down and work him out after we saw

565
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: him at this Honor workout. He did a great job

566
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: at this Honor workout, which is coming up I think

567
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: in the second uh second week in March maybe, So

568
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: it really was gonna maybe about six weeks part of

569
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: the draft when we finally started really looking at Jamie.

570
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: And then I went down and worked him out down

571
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: in Pine Bluff and had a great workout, great interview,

572
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: and he came up here in the top three visit

573
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: and he said, Hey, we're gonna take a chance with

574
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: this kid as a free agent, and the sky's a limit.

575
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: Is that one of the stories that I know that

576
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: like the coaching circles are very tight, that the other

577
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: special teams coordinators are like, man, I can't believe you

578
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 1: guys found this guy and look at what what you've done.

579
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: It was that one that other coordinators get excited about.

580
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm Sure, that's that's the story, that's what you're looking for. Sure,

581
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: A couple of guys have said that to maybe. You know,

582
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: they didn't really know much about him, and you know

583
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: I didn't either. And it was our personal guys last

584
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,239
Speaker 1: year that said, hey, we think we got one here,

585
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: why don't you go down and check them out? And

586
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 1: and I did, And it was obviously a trip that

587
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,239
Speaker 1: was well worth it, and I enjoyed myself down there.

588
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: They got a great coaching staff, a good bunch of guys,

589
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: and and obviously Jamie did a good job for us.

590
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: And I like his mentality, like his attitude. Um I

591
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: texted him the other day. He was in Scotland visit

592
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: his grandmother and he hadn't seen her in a couple

593
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 1: of years. So, uh, I just these young guys keep

594
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: me young. They'll drive me crazy, they'll keep me young

595
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: lives for sure. Well, what are some things you can

596
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: see in players while you're watching them on film, even

597
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: if they don't do a lot of special teams in college,

598
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 1: because there's maybe some of the star players on their

599
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: teams that what are some qualities you look for to

600
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 1: maybe for those kind of those core team guys out

601
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: there toughness, you know, I'm looking for physical toughness, you

602
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: don't know, mentally tough if they can rebound from a

603
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: tough game or a tough series. Um, I'm looking for

604
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: if their discipline, if they're like a linebacker, is he

605
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: gonna be in his gap? I don't know exactly what

606
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: they're taught all the time, but I can tell a

607
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 1: little bit. I don't know about defense that I can

608
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 1: tell if he's in his gap or not? Does he

609
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: take chances? Does he turn his head when he's tackling?

610
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: How does he tackle? Um? You know, how does he

611
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: change direction? How does he flip his hips? Like I'm

612
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: talking about defensive player? Obviously? Are running back um vision?

613
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 1: Looking for vision as a returner or running back receiver?

614
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: How does he run after catch? Does he have good

615
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: hands as he courages? Will he go over the middle?

616
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: Will he make those tough plays? So there's a lot

617
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: of different factors that a lot of different positions that

618
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: I look for that can translate over to special team.

619
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: What are you hoping to see at the combine when

620
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 1: you evaluate these people or is it more for you

621
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: about the interview as opposed to maybe the measurables and

622
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 1: seeing them run or seeing a move. Yeah, I'd like

623
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: to seeing a move and run a little bit and

624
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: work out in person because you see more than you

625
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: would on tape. Um. I also like to see him

626
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: to respond to adversity, Like if a guy is a

627
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: bad rep and I linebacker is a bad rep through

628
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: the bags or whatever, and I'm kind of watching him,

629
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: and how does he react with his body language, like,

630
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: you know, can I get to know him a little

631
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: bit that way? And of course the interviews that's probably

632
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: for me that's the biggest thing because the rest of

633
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: the stuff you can evaluate off tape. You can get

634
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: all the measurables. I don't even sit there in time.

635
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: I might just watch and somebody else might have it.

636
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: They'll put it up on the screen. But he ran

637
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: the forty and I might jot it down for my

638
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: own reference. But at the end of the day, I'm

639
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: not gonna sit there in time every guy because that's

640
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: there's thousands of guys doing that at the combine. Is

641
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: there a speed that you want, like in your mind

642
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: when you say for a return er, I want them

643
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: to be able to hit this speed or because it's

644
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: not necessarily straight line, right, you're veering and cutting and Yeah,

645
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: the big thing we talk about is is UH on

646
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: a kickoff as a kickoff return or a point return

647
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: or do they make moves on the move? In other words,

648
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: is he covering ground and change in direction at the

649
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: same time he's got to stop and change direction? Stop

650
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: change direction. He's not. That's not the kind of guy

651
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: you want. You want a guy that can avoid, that

652
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: can break tackles, that can make moves on the move,

653
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: that you know, that kind of the quickness that he has,

654
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: he can make people missing a phone booth. You've heard

655
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: that term before. UH. Those are the type of guy,

656
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: especially as a punt returner that you're looking for. What

657
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: is the biggest change you've seen at the combines since

658
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: you started coaching? UM? I think now the schedule is

659
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,239
Speaker 1: going to be a big change for us. UM. I

660
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: think the media and how the coverage the TV. I mean,

661
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: my first combine was two thousand two, So this is

662
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: what my UH nineteenth combine feel. It makes me feel little, UM,

663
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: But you know, I've been going every year for nineteen years,

664
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: and I think the biggest thing is the last several

665
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: years is that the NFL network and and putting everything

666
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: on TV and all the media and all the coverage

667
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: that it has, and I mean the NFL combine beats,

668
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes playoff basketball. I mean, it's unbelievable the

669
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: coverage that it has. So it's just it's a tribute

670
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: to our league and and you know what the NFL,

671
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: the league has done and what you know, you guys

672
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: do to promote the game and to promote the good

673
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,239
Speaker 1: things in the game, which is always fun. All right.

674
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: I want to get a little just kind of a

675
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: little veer here. The XFL has a pretty interesting kickoff

676
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: rule and set up. And I don't know how much

677
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: you've watched that, but as you know, the NFL is

678
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: constantly looking to evolve kickoffs, and we've talked about this,

679
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: you know, with some of the NFL rules. But basically

680
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: what they do is they put the kickoff the guy

681
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: kicking the balls in the same spoty would be for us.

682
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: The coverage team starts at the other team's thirty five.

683
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: The blockers I think are either their own twenty five

684
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: or own thirty pure and it's actually led to some

685
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: cool returns. There's you don't have the necessarily the high impact,

686
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: but you know, as you see this game evolve, and obviously,

687
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: especially in coordinator, kicks and punts are gonna always be

688
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: very very important to you. How do you kind of

689
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: maybe see that evolving? Um, you know, some of the

690
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: stuff as gadgets. I'm not really into gadgets. I'm kind

691
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: of an old school type guy. I mean, I was

692
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: the one that was I was really upset when the

693
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: outlaw of the wedge. I'm sure because we were good

694
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: at it. Um excuse me, but you know, at the

695
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's um. Some of the stuff.

696
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: The safety, I'm always I'm always for safety, always for safety.

697
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: So the way we coach, the way we teach blocking,

698
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: the way we teach tackling, the way we teach taking

699
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: on a block, block separation, talk, keeping the head out

700
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: of the game as much as we can. So I

701
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: like the game evolving from the training and coaching and

702
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: teaching aspect of it, rather than throwing out new rules

703
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: and burn this out or the other. The big thing

704
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: I think we're going to look at this year is

705
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: the success rate of the onside kicks, which is so

706
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: low right now. We may have to do something a

707
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: little bit differently, because when you don't get a running start,

708
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: you know, at the thirty four yard line, and you

709
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: only have five guys over there. It's hard to get

710
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: on side kicks. And and I think one of the

711
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: things we're gonna have to figure out is try, you know,

712
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: maybe tweak it a little bit. There where a certain

713
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: situation you can say, okay, we're gonna inside kick it here,

714
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: so you can use a different formation, or you can

715
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: have more of a running start, or and then if

716
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: you don't kick the onside kick, then you get penalized,

717
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. I mean, it's one of

718
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: the rules. I would suggest that, you know, we kind

719
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: of make a change or tweak that you can have

720
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: you have better than an eight percent chance. You use

721
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: to be like whatever. Now it's like eight or nine percent,

722
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: which is obviously not very high. And I don't even

723
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,479
Speaker 1: know the exact the exact percentage. UM. I just know

724
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: that it's very difficult to get. And I think, you know,

725
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: that's really the only problem I have is the success

726
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: rate of the onset kick. Everything else the kickoff kickoff return. UM.

727
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: I think the rules have changed have helped, and the

728
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: concussions have gone down the last year since we tweaked

729
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: the rule or change the rule, and I kind of

730
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: like where we're at right now going in that direction,

731
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: do you think we'll ever see somebody be able to

732
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: do on a consistent basis what Devin Hester was able

733
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: to do? Ever? Again? Um, well, Devon it was unique.

734
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: I mean, Devon's a Hall of Famer in my book.

735
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: Um just with the rule it almos seems like the

736
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: rule change. There are so many are faster guys that

737
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: are on the field, and it's harder to get as

738
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: many of those big return you just around the league,

739
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: you just don't see them as much as you did

740
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: maybe in that kind of but if yeah, well you

741
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: don't get as many opportunities because there's you know, too

742
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: many guys with touchbacks. I mean, you have the kickers

743
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: now they're like, okay, we're not kicking to Devon. I

744
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to kick to Devon. I mean I was

745
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: kicking with Ryan Longwell from the thirty yard line. Ryan

746
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: tried his best, but he was an older guy that couldn't,

747
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: you know, kick touchbacks a lot. Indoors it was easier,

748
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: but outdoors it was tough. At Chicago at obviously at

749
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: Chicago or when we played him, at home trying to

750
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: kick touchbacks. But at the end of the day, um,

751
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: I think you know, when we had Cordarol Patterson, we

752
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: put them nine deep in the end zone and we

753
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: brought everything out. We didn't care. Now, touchbacks are at

754
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: the twenty back then, so maybe it's a little bit

755
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: more of a factor. You know, if you got to

756
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: the eighteen or nineteen or twenty yard line, obviously it's

757
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: the loss of five, six, seven yards. So you know

758
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: you have that type of return, you're gonna take more opportunities.

759
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna take it out of the ends on your

760
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: scare a lot of people. And when you play in Cleveland, Ohio,

761
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: or Cincinnati, Ohio, or Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, or we're Baltimore, Maryland,

762
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a lot of wind and weather and

763
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: you can't always kick touchback. So that's why I'm excited

764
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: about being an outdoor venue and outdoor stadium and our

765
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: divisions all outdoors, and uh so sometimes you're gonna have

766
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: to kicks. We get a good well, we get a

767
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: good returner. Here we go and I know we're gonna

768
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: cover well, so you know we're gonna get a good returner.

769
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: In here and or continue growing the guys that we

770
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: have here and getting them better and and uh, then

771
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: we'll take advantage of that situation. Special thanks to Nathan's

772
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: a girl from making his day. You on the b

773
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: p A for Andrew Gribble as well with some outstanding work.

774
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 1: Coach Prief no shortage of opinions on things and feels

775
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: pretty strongly about where his game is and where his

776
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: team is from a special team standpoint. Obviously knows that

777
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: he's got to take that next step here and and

778
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: I know he hasn't tuned into the XFL yet. Maybe

779
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: he will. This will gain but you better believe that

780
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: there are people in this organization watching these games, because

781
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: remember last year, how many a F guys were on

782
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: the ninety man roster by the time training camp. Again,

783
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: I think the playing level is a little bit higher

784
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: in the XFL in the a F. So I'm sure

785
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: based on some of these guys's contract situations, I don't

786
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: know if they're able to leave the XFL for the NFL,

787
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: but I think that they there could be some guys

788
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: that building out some training camp. Especially that one quarterback

789
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,479
Speaker 1: was p J Walker. He's good, He's made a name

790
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: for him, so he'll he'll have a job in August.

791
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: So I think a lot of these guys could be

792
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: guys that Mike Preefer could be getting to know aways

793
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: potential special teams options. Uh yeah, indeed, And we appreciate

794
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: coaches time as always. All the coaches right now super busy,

795
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: just trying to get ready for the NFL Combine. We

796
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: go to the hotline. You see the picture up behind us,

797
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: the one and only John Greco, former Brown's offensive lineman

798
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: and a gentleman who we wanted to bring on here

799
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: on our NFL combine preview show to talk about his

800
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: combined experiences, to talk about what he went through, to

801
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: talk about the whole draft process and all that encompasses

802
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: that for a for a player. Uh. I don't want

803
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: to call you a kid when you're getting that process,

804
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: because you're an adult, but John, it is. It is

805
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: a whirlwind tour and basically your first time off after

806
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: your college football season ends is the following year when

807
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: the NFL season ends, in your rookie year ends. So

808
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: talking a little bit, what's that process like leading up

809
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: to the nf All Combine. What was it like for

810
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: you as you got ready to leave college and go

811
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: on to the NFL. You know, for me, it was,

812
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: like you said, kind of a whirlwind where you know,

813
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: you really don't have any time off. You're going through

814
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: all these uncharted waters and you know, really the only

815
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: people that are giving you any kind of guidance are

816
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: whether it's former teammates or or friends that are in

817
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 1: the NFL that can kind of give you some advice,

818
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: or if you have a mentor, which which I didn't

819
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: necessarily have. And then you really have your agents, and

820
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: then you know your parents, so you know, you're going

821
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: through things and your training. You know, I went down

822
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: to Florida and I did the you know, pre combined

823
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: training where you know really that you're in the best

824
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: shape of your life. You're you're on a set diet

825
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: regiment where they give you all of your meals, you know,

826
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: your um pre workouts and your post workout shakes, and

827
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: you know you're working out twice a day, you know,

828
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: and you're really strict on it, and you could definitely

829
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: see the results because you're you know, you're you're taking

830
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: these tests at the combine, these physical tests, and you're

831
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: training for the bench, you're training for the forty and

832
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: all the all the things that go into those things

833
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: and your start your stride, you're finish, and you know,

834
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: I know for offensive line it wasn't you know, the

835
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: forty wasn't gonna blow anyone away, but you know, it

836
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: was important to try to get a couple of extra

837
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,479
Speaker 1: reps on your bench process, anything you could to pad

838
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: your status, to make yourself look, to make your product

839
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: look that much better for these teams. Yeah, John, I

840
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: was gonna ask how many times after the combine did

841
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: you do some of those things? Like when how many

842
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: times did you run a forty after the combine? And

843
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: how many times did you try to bench that? I mean,

844
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: how how especially for an offensive lineman, how how ridiculous

845
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: is maybe some of the stuff that you have to

846
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: do that you end up never having to do for

847
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: the rest of your career. I mean, the forty, the

848
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: verb and all of that is ridiculous. It's it's answer

849
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: your question zero. And unless I was betting a guy

850
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: that I can run a faster forty or raise the guy,

851
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: uh and I never I haven't yet a round forty

852
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: since this, since the combine, And you know, as far

853
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: as the benching, you know, I think it is a

854
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: good test because it is it does test um, you know,

855
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: endurances as well as power because you know, to is

856
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: light for a lot of guys, especially big guys, so

857
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: they want to see your endurance that you know what

858
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: I was always told for that is, you know, you

859
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: really can't screw that up unless you unless you do

860
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: under maybe twenty if you're like a guy that does,

861
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: like you know, twelve to fifteen, that's going to raise

862
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: a red flag. Offensive lineman should do more than that.

863
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: And then really anything after that, anything over that is

864
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: just gets those scouts and teams and GM is excited

865
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: if you if you just you know, stack up your numbers.

866
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: But the answer your question not one time. But I

867
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: think the on field worked. The drills that you do

868
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: with you know, the different offensive line coaches and then

869
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: and then your peers, the other guys that are going

870
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: through with you. You know, you did the mirror drill,

871
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: you do the three cone, some of the quick agility,

872
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: the foot work things. Uh, you know, had thought that

873
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: translated because it was more realistic drill things. You know,

874
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: you know that they're blocking guys and driving them down,

875
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: but you know, it really got to have you out

876
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: there and do kind of old line specific footwork which

877
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: I think carries over John. Do you remember yourn ben

878
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: traps are forty times I did that. Yeah, I had

879
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: thirty bench reps. My combine forty was like a five three,

880
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: and then at my pro day Toledo, I ran a

881
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: five one, which you know, maybe a little bit generous

882
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: stop watches there at the above the water, but it

883
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: was it was a different running surface too, so I

884
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: think that helps. But you know that's the thing. They

885
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: take your fastest time and it's official went to pro day,

886
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: so you know, I have it down in the books

887
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: a five one. The combine time was five point to

888
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: nine according to Pro Football Reference. That's pretty good. I

889
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: mean that's the bench traps are up there too. I

890
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: mean those are among the best of anyone there. So

891
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: that's that's at this stage in the draft process. Did

892
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: you have any sense that you would be a third

893
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: round pick? Would you end up being or when did that?

894
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: Did it come to focus? After the combine? So you know,

895
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: as you're going into it, your age is talking with

896
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: you and he's like, look, you know they have they

897
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: have you grade it anywhere between second and fifth and

898
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: then you're like, Okay, well that's obviously a huge difference.

899
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: So you kind of go into it. You do your

900
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: you do the drills of the combine, you're there for

901
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: that whole couple of days, and it's it's really just

902
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: kind of like I said earlier, I used the word whirlwind,

903
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: because you're being poked and prodded, and you're up on

904
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: stage and you're you know, your underwear, and you get

905
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: all these guys looking at you and you're doing your

906
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: weight and your body fat and all that, and it's

907
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: it's nerve wracking, you know. And but the nice thing

908
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: is you're doing it with other guys that are going

909
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: through the same thing, and you always have that camaraderie. Um,

910
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: you know. But but it is kind of a thing

911
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: where you're just like, at the same time, this is

912
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: a little ridiculous, But I felt good about my numbers

913
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: when I when I left Indianapolis, um, you know, going

914
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: into my pro day and I chose not to bench

915
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: my pro day, but I thought that I could better

916
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: my for you a little bit, which I did, so

917
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: I was I was happy about that. And then at

918
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: that point there you're like, listen, you know, I told

919
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: myself these these coaches saw everything they needed to see

920
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: on on my college teape. They can see that I

921
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: can run and move and not follow in my face

922
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to do drills. So at that point

923
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: I did all I needed to do Before the combine.

924
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 1: Had your agent heard any interest or were there into

925
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: what interested? Isn't there in you? Was there? And then

926
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: after the combine? Did things pick up and talk about

927
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: those next steps? Immediately after the combine and after your

928
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: pro day? Okay, so after all that, you know, you

929
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: do a couple of workouts. I remember working out with

930
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 1: h for a couple of teams. Actually, I think just too.

931
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: I remember New England worked me out and uh, you know,

932
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: a long time offensive line coach, dante's Anecki, I came

933
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 1: to Toedo and worked me out. I remember it was

934
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: really cold, and at that point I had taken a

935
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: few weeks off, um, so you know, I kind of

936
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: went back and he and I were on the field

937
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: and it's just it's just you and the coach and

938
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: he's he's making me run like a hundred different drills

939
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: and I was exhausted, so you know, he then he

940
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: takes me in the classroom and we did some things

941
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: and then he's like, Okay, thank you. There was no feedback,

942
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: no nothing, just you know, good luck to you. So

943
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: I'm just like, man, you know, you know, you're always

944
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: trying to analyze that, what did that mean? Um? But

945
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: I took some of visits. I remember going up to Minnesota.

946
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: I did do a visit to St. Louis, whore ultimately

947
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: got drafted. Um. So you do a couple of visits

948
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: and you're just kind of waiting to hear from your agents,

949
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: and you know, he's kind of keeping you calm and

950
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: and you know, remaining positive because you're excited going through

951
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: the whole thing. And but the you know, really the

952
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: idea remained the same. It was kind of like that

953
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: second through fourth or fifth, which, like I said, is

954
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: a is a huge difference because when I got drafted,

955
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: that was I can't remember if it was the first

956
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: year where they changed and they did first and second

957
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: round on the first night and then they did all

958
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: the other rounds of the next day. I think that

959
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: I think that was the first year of them doing that,

960
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: So it was it was a little bit different than

961
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: nerve wracking. But at the end of the day, you know,

962
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: I was the h I think the first or second

963
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: pick on that on that second day, And uh, it

964
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: was great because we woke up found out and then

965
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: it was just like we celebrated the rest of the day. Now, John,

966
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: did you know going into the combine that you were

967
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: not going to be a tackle in the NFL? And

968
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: was that a thing that was realized at the combine?

969
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 1: And what are those conversations like with those teams where

970
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: you're talking about playing a different position. So it was

971
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 1: kind of a mixed bag. I met with some teams

972
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: at the combine just kind of in those one on

973
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: one meetings or group setting meetings. There were meetings where

974
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: I had I remember with the Colts, it was just

975
00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: a sports psychologist, so you know that that Gallas talking

976
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: to me about different things that were totally unrelated to football.

977
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: So it was kind of unique to see what different

978
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: teams their meeting styles were. Some teams you met with

979
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: the head coach, some teams you met with the offensive

980
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: line coach, some teams you met with the whole offensive staff.

981
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: But like you know, getting back to your question, there

982
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: were certain teams that said, you know, we see as

983
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: a tackle, probably a right tackle. Uh. And then there

984
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: were teams that said, you know, we see you more

985
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: bumping the inside. Are you comfortable with that? And of

986
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: course you say, oh absolutely, I'm percent comfortable with that,

987
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: even though I probably wasn't at you know, you're thinking,

988
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: you're telling them whatever you need to do to try

989
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: to make yourself look good. But yeah, so I think

990
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: each team had kind of a different vision. Uh, no

991
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: matter where they had you on the board, What's what's

992
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 1: one question that every team asks, like that the guy's

993
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: going to combine what do they need to be prepared

994
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: to answer? Man? You know, I think it's I think

995
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: it's different no matter where you play. For me, it

996
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: was you know, how how do you see yourself? Um?

997
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: You know, are you prepared for a different level of competition?

998
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: I think that was kind of the common theme that

999
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: I got. I don't know if it's like if a

1000
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: guy plays at you know, L s U or a

1001
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:24,479
Speaker 1: team that sees, you know, NFL caliber defensive lineman each week,

1002
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're actually getting that question. No love, Yeah,

1003
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: that's the thing. I you know, the MAC didn't didn't

1004
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 1: have a lot of love with the defensive lineman, even

1005
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: though now there's a little bit more guys that are

1006
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: going around the league, but that was the main one

1007
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: I was getting. It just just are you? Are you prepared? You?

1008
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: You know? And I don't know if it was kind

1009
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: of a mentally mental thing they were trying to test you,

1010
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: but I, you know, I just said, you know, hey, listen,

1011
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm ready to dominate whoever is in front of me

1012
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: and help the team win. What did you have a

1013
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: roommate at the combine? I know that there was a

1014
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: time where they were they would pair people up. Did

1015
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: you did you have a roommate horror story? I did.

1016
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: It wasn't a horror story, but he was a kicker

1017
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: and I don't remember where he was from. But I

1018
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: got paired with the kicker. So I show up and

1019
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: I was kind of happy because those guys I think

1020
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 1: they went like the day or two before offensive line.

1021
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: I think they get those guys out of the way.

1022
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: So he was like like he was he was leaving

1023
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: and as I was coming, so you know, I knew

1024
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: the kicker. He was quiet that I didn't have to

1025
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: worry about him bothering me, investing up my sleep. But

1026
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: you guys, to be honest, that that whole experience was,

1027
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: you know, look him back. I kind of laughed, because

1028
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, you don't really know what to expect outside

1029
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: of just kind of rumors and what people tell you.

1030
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: And you get in there and you're so nervous and

1031
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: you're trained for so much, and you know you might

1032
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: not put up the time you want or the number

1033
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: that you want, and like you're beating yourself up about it,

1034
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: and then at the end of the day of it

1035
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: really matters, is is two tents of a second on

1036
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: your three tone is going to drop you, you know,

1037
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: nine spots in the draft or make a team not

1038
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: want to pick you. I don't know, But for me

1039
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: I kind of sit back and laugh about them now.

1040
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: But no, no real horror stories with the roommates. I

1041
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: just remember kind of joking with you know, all the

1042
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: offensive linement in front of me and everything, and then

1043
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: get the line because you know, you're like cattle, especially

1044
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: in that weight room. John. Obviously, offensive tackle is going

1045
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: to be a big point of emphasis for the for

1046
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: the Browns going into this combine. And I'm just wondering

1047
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: for people that get to watch this at home during

1048
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: primetime hours, what what are things they need to be

1049
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 1: watching with these office tackles because obviously it's not gonna

1050
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: be the forty time, but just thinks, what what what

1051
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: things can help these guys vaulter stock or maybe put

1052
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: them put themselves in a position to be at the Browns,

1053
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: you know, for for tackles in the offensive line room,

1054
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: especially in this combine. You know, like I said earlier,

1055
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: their tape speaks for itself. But somebody that can separate themselves.

1056
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 1: I think the way they meet, if they can grasp

1057
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: things behind the scenes, because when you meet with these teams,

1058
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: these offensive line coaches, they might have you on a

1059
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: on a dry raised board and they might draw up,

1060
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: you know, a basic protection that they do and they

1061
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: could tell you, okay, here, listen, if we're doing if

1062
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: we're doing this and the running back has the mic linebacker,

1063
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: you get the stand linebacker and he draws up a

1064
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: little bit, a little blitz. They want to see how

1065
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: quickly you can conceptualize that concept and if you can

1066
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: adjust things on a chalkboard. And I remember them doing

1067
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Speaker 1: that to me and I was able to handle it.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of guys want to see if you

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Speaker 1: can grasp, grasp, grasp it mentally, because if you're talking

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Speaker 1: these uh you know, high rated draft picks. These guys

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00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: that are you know, you know, projected in the first

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Speaker 1: second round. They're gifted athletically, so nothing that they're gonna

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Speaker 1: be able to do. They're not gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: do anything on the field that's gonna I don't think,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, make or break them. Uh, but it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be somebody that wows you in the in the

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Speaker 1: meeting rooms and the interviews, and you know is what

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Speaker 1: they're expected to do on the field. Put up a

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Speaker 1: good bench press, you know, run and look good, look

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Speaker 1: at athletic, look you know, quick and play with low

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Speaker 1: hand you know, low shoulders and and good bend in

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Speaker 1: the knee. And you know, these guys go crazy for

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00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: long arms. And that was a big knock on me.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I just looked if I'm a fan,

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Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, you know, tackle, I'm looking at a

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00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: guy and when they showed the little clips of him

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Speaker 1: from his college career, you want to see somebody nasty.

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00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: You want to see somebody that's you know, really the

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00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: holding guys out and squeezing hard when they're past protecting

1090
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: and having good technique and leverage in the run game,

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Speaker 1: because that's what everyone's looking for. John. We appreciate the

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00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: time today. I love talking to you as always and

1093
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: appreciate hearing about the experiences and what you went through.

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00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: And it's definitely an intimidating time for forwo year old,

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00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 1: you know, adult young adult coming up and hopefully trying

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00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 1: to make a career out of playing in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League and you get to do it. You were

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Speaker 1: one of them. And we appreciate the time as always,

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Speaker 1: and uh, we'll definitely be talking with you a little

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Speaker 1: bit closer to the draft and hearing you on Cleveland

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Speaker 1: Brown's Daily during the month of March, and uh again

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Speaker 1: around the draft time as well. I think you'll be

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Speaker 1: part of our draft cover. So we're looking forward to

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Speaker 1: it and we appreciate your time today. I appreciate that. Guys.

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Speaker 1: It's good to talk with you again and I look

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Speaker 1: forward to being up there and a breed again. All right, John,

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Speaker 1: take care. Special thanks to John Greco for his time.

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Speaker 1: Always some some good stories, and I know Gerade Cherry

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Speaker 1: at ESPN Cleveland had a great story about the combine.

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Speaker 1: He had a terrible combine. It cost him a first

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00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: round grade and he dropped to the second round simply

1112
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Speaker 1: because he had he had a roommate that snored NonStop

1113
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: for three straight days and he could not sleep at all.

1114
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: He ended up sleeping like in the hallway. And so

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Speaker 1: it's always interesting to see how that goes because from

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Speaker 1: the moment you touched down in Indianapolis, you are on

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00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: the clock and as a whirlwind and then seeing you know,

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Speaker 1: you're on a plane back home. Yeah, it's interesting that

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Speaker 1: two of the best, two of the best players in

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Speaker 1: this team had the most opposite combat experiences, one being

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Speaker 1: Myles Garrett went there and just like was it blew

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Speaker 1: everyone out of the water with his just crazy athleticism.

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Speaker 1: Number one pick locked it, locked it down. Jarvis Landry

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Speaker 1: was a hugely productive wide receiver l s u I

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Speaker 1: thought he might be going in the first round, ran

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Speaker 1: a bad forty, ended up going late in the second round.

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Speaker 1: Like that's and it's crazy because obviously was so meaningless.

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Speaker 1: He's had a great career, most receptions ever by a

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Speaker 1: player in their first six years in their career. But

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Speaker 1: that that's where this thing, that's why we pay so

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Speaker 1: much attention to the combine because it does have an

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Speaker 1: effect on where you end up going. Remember last year

1133
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Speaker 1: Dk Metcalf, everyone thought he had that amazing combine, but

1134
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Speaker 1: then it was shown that his quickness wasn't all that

1135
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: good and he goes late second round. Yeah exactly, and

1136
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Speaker 1: the shirtless Pete Carroll. Yeah, set the trend and they

1137
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Speaker 1: can't ever get that visual out of my head. All right,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna wrap up our combined preview. We hope you

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Speaker 1: enjoyed it. Next week we come to you line from Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: We'll have a number of guests lined up and uh,

1141
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: maybe we bring you more than one. Maybe there's a

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00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: little bonus, you know, podcast thrown in. That's the point.

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Speaker 1: Depending on time, Everything depends on what's going on with

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Speaker 1: the schedule and people's availability. So we are looking forward

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Speaker 1: to coming to you live from Indianapolis next week and

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Speaker 1: the two thousand twenty NFL Combine. I want to thank

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Speaker 1: Mike Preefer for his time. I want to thank John

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Speaker 1: Greco for his time. For Andrew Gribble, I'm Jason Gibbs.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you log on to Cleveland Browns dot com

1150
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1151
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Speaker 1: We've had Kevin Stefanski on, We've had Matt Miller from

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Speaker 1: the Bleacher Report, Draft Guru, and uh sure to come

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Speaker 1: a number of other people as we count down to April. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a late Thursday. It's like the last Thursday

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Speaker 1: in April. I know what I'm doing not Yeah, it's April.

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Speaker 1: I knew I have that right. All right, we'll take

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Speaker 1: the victory left. Uh Frander Gribble, I'm Jason Gibbs. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for watching, Thank you for listening to the best

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