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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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Speaker 2: of you hanging out with us. We've got a lot

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Speaker 2: to dive into. I want to update you on a

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Speaker 2: story that we started off the show with a couple

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Speaker 2: of different stories. One Biden has called. We were just

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Speaker 2: talking about this at the top of the last hour.

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Speaker 2: Biden has, according to reports, called for an immediate ceasefire

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Speaker 2: in Gaza during a phone conversation with Israeli Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: Benjamin net Yahoo. That is according to the Wall Street Journal.

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Speaker 2: And here's the opening paragraph. President Biden called Thursday for

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Speaker 2: an immediate ceasefire. The White House said, so they have

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Speaker 2: officially demanded a ceasefire in Gaza. Buck and we can

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Speaker 2: talk about the complexities that this continues to create for

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Speaker 2: Biden because a huge part of the coalition that voted

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Speaker 2: for him to be president was both Jewish and Arab

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Speaker 2: voters in particular. And I've been hammering on this because

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Speaker 2: I know the state pretty well because my wife is

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Speaker 2: from Michigan. I've spent a decent amount of time there.

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Speaker 2: Huge huge southeastern Michigan. Arab support for Biden in the Dearborn,

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Speaker 2: Michigan area ham Trammick. That area also a large Jewish population, Detroit,

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Speaker 2: Oakland County, that whole area of Michigan. There's a large

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Speaker 2: Jewish population in southeast Michigan, also a large Arab voting population.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be hard for Biden to finesse this issue,

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Speaker 2: and I would imagine there are a lot of Jewish

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Speaker 2: people out there who when they hear that Biden is

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Speaker 2: now demanding a ceasefire in Gaza, are not going to

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Speaker 2: I think there's going to be major fallout. What is

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Speaker 2: your reaction. I think this is the first time that

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Speaker 2: he's officially demanded publicly that there be a ceasefire He

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Speaker 2: said that he's in favor of it before. I don't

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Speaker 2: know that he's demanded it publicly before a ceasefire until

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Speaker 2: when and for what purpose? Gaza still I mean Hamas

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Speaker 2: in Gaza still has hostages one hundred I believe. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they still have fighters who were involved in or directed,

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Speaker 2: which is should be treated as the same thing. If

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Speaker 2: you were involved in the plotting of October seventh, you

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Speaker 2: should be every bit as considered a combatant, and the

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Speaker 2: use of lethal force is just as appropriate as anybody

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Speaker 2: who is actually there. Uh So, it's just politics, it's posturing,

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Speaker 2: and I would hope that the Jewish American community is

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Speaker 2: really paying attention to this.

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Speaker 3: Beyond.

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Speaker 4: We have a lot of Jews who are listening to

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Speaker 4: us right now who already see this for what it is,

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Speaker 4: and who are conservative or who are right of center.

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Speaker 4: But I'm talking about the more left and liberal leading

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Speaker 4: component of the Jewish American vote, our voters. I hope

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Speaker 4: they're seeing this and understanding that when push comes to shove,

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Speaker 4: the Biden administration will the knee to the most radical,

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Speaker 4: anti Semitic and insane components of their multicultural leftist coalition.

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Speaker 2: Here's Tony Blinken cut thirty demanding an easy, immediate ceasefire.

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Speaker 2: Tony blinkn of course Secretary of State, who claimed that

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Speaker 2: the Hunter Biden laptop had all the hallmarks of Russian

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Speaker 2: disinformation and has been a water carrier for Biden in

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Speaker 2: his lives for a long time. But here is what

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Speaker 2: Blincoln said about that immediate ceasefire.

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Speaker 5: He underscored as well that an immediate ceasefire is essential

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Speaker 5: to stabilize and improve the Mandataryan situation and protectedness and

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Speaker 5: civilians and herge. Prime Minister Denao to empower his negotiators

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Speaker 5: to conclude a deal without delay to bring the hostages

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Speaker 5: home and Jeer leaders also discussed public Iranian threats against

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Speaker 5: Israel and the Israeli people. President Biden reaffirmed the United

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Speaker 5: States strong support for Israel in the face of these

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Speaker 5: feats and our commitment to Israel's security Right now, it

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Speaker 5: is no higher priority in Gaza and protecting civilians, surging

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Speaker 6: Israel must meet this moment.

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Speaker 3: This is I don't know how this ends well for Biden.

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Speaker 2: I really don't buck because as soon as you pull

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Speaker 2: back in Gaza, Hamas is set up to do some

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Speaker 2: sort of additional terror attack, and then the United States

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Speaker 2: is in some way bought onto the culpability because if

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Speaker 2: October seventh, then we're giving them the opportunity to basically

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Speaker 2: it and say it it's scary. But if Hamas attacked

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Speaker 3: Throw everything into an uproar, even in our election.

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Speaker 4: Also, there are some things that I think are left

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Speaker 4: out of this discussion, like has anyone in Hamas or

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Speaker 4: just Palestinian leadership more broadly condemned what happened on October

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Speaker 4: seventh as monstrous, immoral and outside the bounds of even

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Speaker 4: war itself. No, no, they don't. If you saw and

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Speaker 4: this is you know, I would love we should reach

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Speaker 4: out to our friend Doug Murray, who was over there

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Speaker 4: and was doing such good work at the beginning of

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Speaker 4: the conflict. I haven't texted a little while. I'll text him,

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Speaker 4: but he would I'm sure I shouldn't speak for but

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Speaker 4: I'm sure he would agree with this. If people only

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Speaker 4: knew how much support there is in Gaza for what

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Speaker 4: all the polling data you can see about their feelings

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Speaker 4: And you know, I'm not saying all of them support it, obviously,

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Speaker 4: but it'd be a big number. It'd be an appallingly

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Speaker 4: I think people need to understand. I mean, these these

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Speaker 6: West Bank is a somewhat different situation in some ways.

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Speaker 4: But Hamas runs it as a totalitarian jie hottiest fiefdom,

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Speaker 4: and this this filters through all of all of society there.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I've been to the West Bank. I haven't

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Speaker 4: been to Gaza for obvious reasons. And if people think

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Speaker 4: sometimes they don't understand the Israelis actually have some accountability,

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Speaker 4: some morality, some decency even in the conduct of warfare,

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Speaker 4: and Israelis are held to account by their own people.

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Speaker 4: By their own government for it. In with Hamas, anything goes,

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Speaker 4: anything goes. There's nothing that is too brutal, there is

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Speaker 4: nothing that is too vicious. It is impossible to think

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Speaker 4: of anything that would be beyond the scope. As long

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Speaker 4: as it is harming and killing and mutilating Jews, Hamas

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Speaker 4: is true. And Hamas is the elected government of Gaza.

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Speaker 4: The people of Gaza are suffering, yes, but some of

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Speaker 4: that suffering is brought on by having Hamas as you

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Speaker 4: are elected representatives. You know, we bombed a lot of

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Speaker 4: cities in Nazi Germany, a lot of people died. We

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Speaker 4: this is what happens.

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Speaker 2: And again, I think the analogy that's easy for a

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Speaker 2: it's so sad, what's happening to the people in Gaza.

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Speaker 2: Do you think the United States would stop until we

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Speaker 2: twelve hundred of our citizens. Do you think we would say, oh,

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Speaker 2: we got most of those cartel guys, but man, we

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Speaker 2: to have an immediate cease fire to allow the cartel

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Speaker 3: I just it wouldn't happen.

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Speaker 2: And if you're not willing to apply the same standard

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Speaker 2: I would just ask you why that is. I think

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Speaker 2: think there's a very good argument for why that shouldn't

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Speaker 2: be the case. So we wanted to update you with

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Speaker 2: the absolute latest there, and we will see how Israel responds.

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine that Benjamin met Yahoo is going to say, Okay,

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Speaker 2: you know what, I'm sorry, you're upset. United States. We're

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Speaker 2: now going to agree to a ceasefire because, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 2: they're still one hundred and thirty terrorists, five of them

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Speaker 3: I believe nobody talks about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, one hundred and thirty hostages, five of them

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Speaker 2: October seventh. The women are saying they were raped and

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Speaker 2: they were sexually assaulted, and.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's worse we can't describe on the air.

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Speaker 4: I mean to say they're sexually assaulted, I mean, that's true,

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Speaker 4: but it's far more severe than that. I mean, the

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Speaker 4: there are records of this, They took video of it,

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Speaker 4: so we know very well what some of the Hamas

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Speaker 4: fighters did. The most depraved and most evil stuff possible,

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you know that like stuff that

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Speaker 4: they did it to innocent women and children.

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Speaker 3: So we can't say it on the radio.

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Speaker 2: That's a pretty good example of how awful it is.

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Speaker 4: We can't even say it on him, And it's honestly

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Speaker 4: traumatizing even to just know. That's why I haven't really

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Speaker 4: I've read the accounts of it, though, Yeah, and that's

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Speaker 4: that is what we were up against. And and I

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Speaker 4: when yeah, right, So does that mean they get away?

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Speaker 4: Does that mean the ones who are left get away

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Speaker 3: Why?

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Speaker 4: How is that just? Why would we ever say that

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Speaker 4: that's fair? I'm sorry, but there is not a not

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Speaker 4: a small bit of jew hatred that is unfortunately behind

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Speaker 4: a lot of particularly the early ceasefire declarations that we

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Speaker 4: a very dark underbelly of what we face. But that

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Speaker 4: on the six month anniversary of those hostages being taken

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Speaker 4: six months on April the seventh. I believe I'm doing

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Speaker 2: But if anything, Biden demanding an immediate cease fire is

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Speaker 2: not certainly about what's best for Israel. It's about the

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Speaker 2: panic that Joe Biden is facing politically over how in

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Speaker 2: the world to reconcile two identity politics. Bastions of his

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Speaker 2: some principle. Biden is turning on them.

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Speaker 4: Because the multi cultural left that he needs as part

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Speaker 4: a lot of anti Semitism, and he wants to placate them,

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Speaker 4: and that is what is going on here. So ends

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Speaker 3: mic ro you alm micro God's got an amazing point.

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Speaker 3: And that's a lot of that's a lot of aspects

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Speaker 2: And we were talking about it a little bit earlier,

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Speaker 4: It's how gen z is becoming the tool belt generation.

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Speaker 2: Are you optimistic, Mike, that a lot of people are

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Speaker 6: Well, it's a little early for a victory lap, although

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Speaker 6: I'd love to take one. We've been at this for

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Speaker 6: Well, you can't possibly screw up by learning how to weld.

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Speaker 3: For trade schools.

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Speaker 2: tens of thousands of dollars in debt to get an

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Speaker 2: English major, nothing wrong with that degree, which is not

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Speaker 2: necessarily going to lead me towards being better at any

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Speaker 2: particular profession. Or I can go start being a plumber

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Speaker 2: at eighteen or nineteen years old. You're stacking tens of

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Speaker 2: thousands of dollars in assets, and you're starting off when

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Speaker 2: the college kids coming out at twenty two or twenty three,

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Speaker 2: in tens of thousands of dollars in debt, you could

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Speaker 2: have tens of thousands of dollars in savings. How much

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Speaker 2: do you think people are now recognizing that? And are

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Speaker 2: people still not aware of how much money there is

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Speaker 2: out there in plumbing or doing electrical work or all

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Speaker 2: these other things you mentioned welding. What else would you

447
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Speaker 2: tell people that there is abundant opportunity in if they'll

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Speaker 2: just go grab it.

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Speaker 6: Electricians. Electricians are in super short supply. Plumbers, steam fitters,

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Speaker 6: pipe fitters, heating and air conditioning guys. I mean, I

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Speaker 6: can't even tell you if you're not making six figures

452
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Speaker 6: and you're in that space, you're either just getting started

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Speaker 6: or you're unwilling to go to where the work is.

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Speaker 6: But even then, I mean the work is pretty much

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Speaker 6: everywhere the track clay in your question is really the

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Speaker 6: reason that I'm not in politics, I can't. I'm sure

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Speaker 6: there are some eighteen year olds listening right now, but

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Speaker 6: I don't know who they are. I don't know what

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Speaker 6: their skills are, I don't know what their attitude is. Right,

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Speaker 6: and so much of what our elected officials do, and unfortunately,

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Speaker 6: what guidance counselors do is they paint with a really

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Speaker 6: broad brush, and you wind up hearing from a lot

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Speaker 6: of people who have a certain amount of influence that

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Speaker 6: this is what your kid should do, or this is

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Speaker 6: what you should do. And I think it's that tendency

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Speaker 6: to talk in platitudes and paint with a broad brush

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Speaker 6: that's brought us to the place where we are right now.

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Speaker 6: We're still a country of individuals, and your kid, your

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Speaker 6: eighteen year old kid, might very likely be wired in

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Speaker 6: a profoundly different way than mine. So I'm kind of

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Speaker 6: stingy with advice in terms of telling groups of people

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Speaker 6: what to do. But you can't ignore the big trends.

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Speaker 6: You can't ignore ten million open positions right now. You

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Speaker 6: can't ignore you want to hear some really horrible math.

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Speaker 6: The number that scares me more than one point seven

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Speaker 6: trillion in student loans is five every year for every

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Speaker 6: five tradesmen who retire to replace them. That's been gone

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Speaker 6: on for over a decade. And when you start to

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Speaker 6: just extrapolate that out, what you realize real fast is

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Speaker 6: this is not just a conversation about companies who are

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Speaker 6: struggling to recruit talent or kids who are struggling to

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Speaker 6: find a path to prosperity. This is a conversation about

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Speaker 6: how long Clay Travis and bucksex and want to wait

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Speaker 6: for a plumber when they need one, or an electrician.

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Speaker 6: Every single person listening to this has skin in the game,

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Speaker 6: because every one of your audience members shares my addiction

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Speaker 6: to smooth roads and affordable electricity and indoor plumbing and

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Speaker 6: a long list of other stuff that we've been taking

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Speaker 6: for granted long before Dirty Jobs went on the air.

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Speaker 4: You know, my uncle is a tradesman and a locksmith,

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Speaker 4: like a skilled locksmith with the specialty stuff for you know, corporations,

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Speaker 4: and my brother in law is actually a welder. Carrie's

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Speaker 4: brothers a welder, and one thing I hear from both

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Speaker 4: of them is they just don't have the time to

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Speaker 4: do all the jobs that people want them to do,

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Speaker 4: which is not a thing you often hear from that

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Speaker 4: many folily. There's so many offers to do different work

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Speaker 4: in different places that they can't get to it all. So, Mike,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm experiencing that for my own, you know,

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Speaker 4: extended family, what they're seeing out there, I'm just wondering

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Speaker 4: to what degree. Also, when you're you know, you're the

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Speaker 4: CEO of Mike Roworks Foundation, you're encouraging young people to

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Speaker 4: go into this, but you know, entrepreneurship, small business ownership.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's been my experience from people I know,

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Speaker 4: some of whom have become very successful business owners, that

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Speaker 4: a lot of them start by working for a business

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Speaker 4: in the trades.

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Speaker 6: And this is this is part of the sort of

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Speaker 6: the disaster scenario. When we took shop Class out, we

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Speaker 6: also impacted not just the skilled workforce, but the the

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Speaker 6: entrepreneurial gene. The path to a small business so often

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Speaker 6: begins with the mastery of a trade. I mentioned welding before,

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Speaker 6: because you know. I know people who are underwater weld today.

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Speaker 6: They make three hundred thousand dollars a year. I know

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Speaker 6: others who are tig welders, you know, who are making

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Speaker 6: one hundred grand. And I know some who are making

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Speaker 6: less than that and are basically punching a clock. But

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Speaker 6: the most interesting cohort are the welders who hired another welder,

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Speaker 6: or more likely hired an electrician and some HVAC guys

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Speaker 6: and then bought a couple of vans and started a

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Speaker 6: mechanical contracting company. Those guys are everywhere, and they are

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Speaker 6: the engine of our economy, and their success stories aren't

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Speaker 6: told nearly enough because they start by doing something that

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Speaker 6: so many parents have come to believe as a vocational

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Speaker 6: consolation prize. I don't want my kid to be a welder.

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Speaker 6: The hell you don't, man, I can give you example

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Speaker 6: after example, and Buck, just a quick sidebar. I don't

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Speaker 6: know if you'll remember this, but I saw you ten

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Speaker 6: years ago. I think you were filling in for Beck

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Speaker 6: and you did a story on one of them my

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Speaker 6: favorite stories of all time. Nobody talks about it today,

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Speaker 6: but it was a message to Garcia. It was a

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Speaker 6: story about initiative, and it's a story about work ethic,

534
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Speaker 6: and it's a story about the willingness to cheerfully take

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Speaker 6: hold of a thing and lift. That's part of this

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Speaker 6: conversation too. And my foundation, you know, we award work

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Speaker 6: ethics scholarships because we're not just looking to fill an

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Speaker 6: existing hole. We're looking to find people who are willing

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Speaker 6: to show up early, stay late, take a bite of

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Speaker 6: the crap sandwich, cheerfully, volunteer for whatever task is at

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Speaker 6: hand that's still for sale, that still works. And if

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Speaker 6: gen Z is the cohort that steps up to do

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Speaker 6: that with the tool belt and a new understanding of

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Speaker 6: what a good job is, God bless them, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Last question for you. You mentioned parents are grandparents. How

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Speaker 2: much encouragement do you see from them? And I know

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of people out there that are worried

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Speaker 2: their kids are not working hard enough, maybe they're not

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Speaker 2: making great grades in school, but they do have that

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Speaker 2: work ethic and they're trying to find a way. I

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Speaker 2: think most people have no idea that you can make

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Speaker 2: six figures doing a lot of these jobs. Do you

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Speaker 2: think parents and grandparents are making their kids aware enough

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Speaker 2: of that opportunity as well, or do you think they've

555
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Speaker 2: been sold the idea that only success comes from the

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Speaker 2: pathway of college. You can't do anything else.

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Speaker 6: Again, I hate to paint with a broad brush, but

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Speaker 6: the short answer is yeah, by and large, we have

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Speaker 6: an idea in our head about what a good job

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Speaker 6: looks like. And look, most parents also want something better

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Speaker 6: for their kids than whatever they had. The problem is

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Speaker 6: what is better? Right? I mean, we get to decide

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Speaker 6: how much debt is good. We get to decide if work,

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Speaker 6: for instance, is the proximate cause of our unhappiness. There's

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Speaker 6: a very popular narrative in this country right now that

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Speaker 6: says that it is. That's why you'll see support for

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Speaker 6: Bernie Sanders thirty two hour work week crazy. But if

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Speaker 6: you believe in your heart that the reason you're unhappy

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Speaker 6: is because you're working too much, or if you believe,

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Speaker 6: like genuinely believe in your heart that you're going to

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Speaker 6: be happy when you retire, then you've bought into an

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Speaker 6: existing narrative that is in fact persuasive. And it's persuasive

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Speaker 6: because it's mirrored constantly in sitcoms and movies and advertisements.

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Speaker 6: We are surrounded by this idea that work is the enemy,

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Speaker 6: and that you're a failure if you're a parent, if

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Speaker 6: you don't get your kid into a proper school. So yeah,

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Speaker 6: I would say to parents who believe that you might

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Speaker 6: be right. Maybe your kid is exactly wired to do

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Speaker 6: all of those things, but you might be wrong. Put

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Speaker 6: all the options on the table, have an honest conversation

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Speaker 6: about the realities of debt and the advantage of learning

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Speaker 6: a skill that's in demand. My final thought is, you

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Speaker 6: know this. I'm holding myself in my hand right now,

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Speaker 6: and I'm looking at it because that is a liberal

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Speaker 6: arts education, and it's free. All the information I learned

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Speaker 6: when I was in school in nineteen eighty four is

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Speaker 6: right there. Man. If you're curious and you really want

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Speaker 6: to learn whatever whatever floats your boat, you can watch

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Speaker 6: a lecture on it right now for free at MIT

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Speaker 6: or Brown or Yale.

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Speaker 3: It's all there.

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Speaker 6: Learn a skill first, master a trade, go to work,

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Speaker 6: get rich.

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Speaker 4: Mike, what's the website? One more time for anyone listening case.

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Speaker 4: I think some people listening are really interested in following

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Speaker 2: Mike ro Dire, Okay, I believe is the website micro

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Speaker 1: Sometimes all you can do is laugh, and they do

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Speaker 4: Welcome back in Clay and Buck your closing up shop today.

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Speaker 4: And I just want to say we had such a

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Speaker 4: really good conversation there with Microw of micro Works, and

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Speaker 4: you know, when you start saying things, I think I'm

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Speaker 4: glad he throws the numbers in there. We're talking about

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Speaker 4: trade school. I know we have a lot of trade

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Speaker 4: school listener, or rather people who went to trade school

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Speaker 4: you're not just making that money, but you can make

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Speaker 4: that money in a lot of different places all over

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Speaker 4: the country, and you can find a job doing that

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Speaker 4: pretty much wherever you want. You know, I mean skilled electricians,

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Speaker 4: skilled welder, HVAC systems.

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Speaker 3: Things like that.

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Speaker 4: That's compelling, you know, or you know, there's there's some

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Speaker 4: other jobs I could tell you you don't want to

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Speaker 4: do where you need a four year college degree or

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Speaker 4: a lot of those out there.

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Speaker 3: Well, not only that, I love the one.

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Speaker 2: The salaries matter because I think it gets a lot

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Speaker 2: of sixteen seventeen, eighteen year old in particular, like their

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Speaker 2: their ears kind of perk up because they're starting to

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Speaker 2: recognize what things cost. I think a lot of people

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Speaker 2: in their early twenties as well. But I love the

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Speaker 2: idea of you learn the business yourself while working for someone,

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Speaker 2: and then you're able to build your own business. And

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Speaker 2: and they're these jobs. You know this, they're great. You

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Speaker 2: get out of an office. One of the worst things

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Speaker 2: about a lot of jobs, you're sitting at a desk.

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Speaker 2: You don't have the ability to have a normal wife.

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Speaker 2: Getting out and about during the day is is pretty healthy.

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Speaker 2: I think getting people.

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Speaker 3: My dad has a longtime friend who is older.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's got a French guy and probably his

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Speaker 4: late seventies now, who started out in the restaurant industry

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Speaker 4: as a busboy in a French restaurant in Paris, came

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Speaker 4: to New York, came to New York City, had nothing.

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Speaker 3: And he still tells stories.

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Speaker 4: He's like, I was working sixteen hour a day, I

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Speaker 4: was making pennies. I was struggling's a hot, sweaty kitchen.

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Speaker 4: And now he's got like five restaurants that are franchised

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Speaker 4: that he owns a piece of he's making seven figures.

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Speaker 4: You know, It's like sometimes working anything is the best

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Speaker 4: way to learn how to do it at a bigger

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Speaker 4: level down the line, whatever that industry, whatever that field

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Speaker 4: may be. So we have some great v emails. We'll

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Speaker 4: get to these tomorrow. Team, let's hold some of these

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Speaker 4: over because I meant to get to it now. We

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Speaker 4: went a little along with Mike. I think you all

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Speaker 4: understand and appreciate why we went along with Mike. That

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Speaker 4: was an important conversation. He's such a compelling storyteller, makes me,

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Speaker 4: makes me want to get out there and you know,

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Speaker 4: learn learn how to do some cool stuff, learn how

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Speaker 4: to do blowing glass or welding or something.

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Speaker 2: What was amazing is that that story in the Wall

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Speaker 2: Street Journal that he referenced.

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of.

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Speaker 2: People coming to the conclusion that what he's been selling

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Speaker 2: makes a great deal of sense. And I think a

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Speaker 2: lot of you out there listening have kids, grandkids, maybe

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Speaker 2: you yourself. You're thinking to yourself, i'd make six figures

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Speaker 2: doing a job like that.

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Speaker 3: What am I doing with my life? Maybe explore it