Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The
Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from
Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Well, Miles,
Speaker 1: we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat
Speaker 1: by the host of the fascinating podcast Sea Change, which
Speaker 1: is produced by New Orleans and Batmano's Public Radio. Please
Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Carlisle Calhoun and Hallie Park.
Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome you, thank you, happy to be here.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, it's nice to have people who are
Speaker 4: doing really good investigative podcasting, unlike us who are subjecting
Speaker 4: you guys to try to figure out a food and wine.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, two peers in the world
Speaker 1: of just doing important podcasting, groundbreaking podcasting. It's it's great
Speaker 1: to be in the same room with some people who
Speaker 1: I can just let my hair down and be like, I'm.
Speaker 4: With my people.
Speaker 1: We both get you know, we both we both get
Speaker 1: it and are breaking new ground.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm loving it in the space
Speaker 2: that you all are providing here.
Speaker 5: So thank you.
Speaker 2: Well, you're I'm already thoroughly entertained.
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you're too kind, You're too kind. I don't
Speaker 4: know if our names will ever be listed or mentioned
Speaker 4: by anything with the word pullets are in front of it.
Speaker 5: But probably not.
Speaker 1: We are we are definitively unassociated with anything to do
Speaker 1: with the bulletsers. They were like, we just wanted they
Speaker 1: issued a statement just making sure that everybody with just
Speaker 1: for no purpose. Yeah, just to just to be clear.
Speaker 1: We have nothing to do with that show f y.
Speaker 1: I nobody suggested we did.
Speaker 4: But we just want to get we'll get ahead of it,
Speaker 4: get ahead of any misunderstandings for sure. For sure, you
Speaker 4: guys are both in New Orleans.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we're both based in New Orleans.
Speaker 4: How is New Orleans? Right now? This time? Here?
Speaker 1: Steamy put in a charming way, right, yeah, drenched in history.
Speaker 4: That grown from holly kind of I said a lot
Speaker 4: for me.
Speaker 3: It's the time of year where it's just air conditioning
Speaker 3: all day. You get to see the sun outside. You
Speaker 3: want to touch it, but can't. You know you'll get burned.
Speaker 2: It's like the inverse of everywhere else Like the rest
Speaker 2: of the year, everybody like looks at our zoom backgrounds
Speaker 2: and they're like, where are you. God, that looks amazing, Oh,
Speaker 2: New Orleans, and this summertime it's just us being like
Speaker 2: everybody else is like yay summer.
Speaker 1: And we're like, yeah, just the deafening sound of insects,
Speaker 1: like drowning in heat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the muggy or the place I feel like, the
Speaker 4: less enthusiasm from people who have to go through it
Speaker 4: every year. They're like, no, that's fine. I mean I
Speaker 4: have to bring seven pairs of seven outfits with me
Speaker 4: just to go outside for ten minutes exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know that.
Speaker 4: I know that.
Speaker 1: Plate air conditioning huh what a what an innovation?
Speaker 3: Need to get the one in my car. Thick, it's
Speaker 3: been a year, guys, oh wow, And it's crazy being
Speaker 3: a NEWARS.
Speaker 2: That is not okay. That is not okay.
Speaker 1: So are you just like driving eighty down in a
Speaker 1: thirty five just to get the wind airflow, to.
Speaker 3: Feel a breeze and also feel some life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just feel a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: When I had I had an all black car that
Speaker 4: did not have air conditioning in the dry desert heat
Speaker 4: of Los Angeles, and when I was in that phase
Speaker 4: in the summer, I had no joke. I would have
Speaker 4: a driving shirt I would wear because I like, when
Speaker 4: I get to my destination, I cannot look respectable stepping
Speaker 4: out of the vehicle like this that I had. I
Speaker 4: had them on deck.
Speaker 3: But that's actually genius. I mean, ideally I'll get my
Speaker 3: act together and just get my fix, but it's not
Speaker 3: I can make sure great innovation.
Speaker 4: The way my problem solving works is especially at that time,
Speaker 4: like is it gonna cost money? And I'm like, well,
Speaker 4: what's the other thing I can do money? Yeah? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Oh man, the stands that would have grown out of
Speaker 1: that thing.
Speaker 4: Podcast about another existential threat to humanity?
Speaker 1: Scientifically, what is something from your search history that is
Speaker 1: revealing about who you are?
Speaker 5: This is a very specific to Ian Carmel right now
Speaker 5: search history result, but it is best billed for Mage
Speaker 5: BG three. I recently downloaded the video game Balder's Gay
Speaker 5: three and it has it didn't even come out recently,
Speaker 5: I think, I think it's come out in the last year,
Speaker 5: but it has completely swallowed my life. I have I
Speaker 5: have been lost in a world of dungeons and baggons
Speaker 5: role playing. Yeah, for the last uh, for the last
Speaker 5: few days. I'm currently unemployed. I'm about to go on
Speaker 5: the tour for the book and everything, but I am
Speaker 5: in this beautiful period where there's not quite enough time
Speaker 5: to do anything constructive. So I am playing a video game,
Speaker 5: a video game where when you're creating a character, there
Speaker 5: are different options for what penis they have.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, can you get to see them?
Speaker 5: You get to see them. You get to cycle through
Speaker 5: three different penises or a default or three different volvas
Speaker 5: or the default.
Speaker 4: Okay, do you see it? Like?
Speaker 1: What what it looks like in action? What it looks
Speaker 1: like just like kind of hanging out, only you never.
Speaker 5: See it erect And honestly, the biggest changes are in
Speaker 5: pubic care, like the amount and thickness of the pubic
Speaker 5: care that I've noticed. There are no I think, as
Speaker 5: this is supposed to take place in sort of fantasy
Speaker 5: world of the past, no circumcision. So it's huh, you're
Speaker 5: hanging wind sock on every penis available.
Speaker 4: Can you can you like? Is that like an other?
Speaker 4: Are there sliders for customizing the foreskin to be like
Speaker 4: I would have more junk on that?
Speaker 5: There's not, there's not. They haven't gotten that in depth yet.
Speaker 5: I'm hoping for a patch at some point or maybe
Speaker 5: a mob that does let you get maybe a little
Speaker 5: more involved in the foreskin.
Speaker 4: Dynamic full on wizard sleeve, Yeah yeah, I got it.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, full of hanging down wizard sleeve.
Speaker 1: I'd like piercing of age wizard sleep wizards sleeve.
Speaker 4: Right there? Is that mage just short for major?
Speaker 1: Is that major chips?
Speaker 5: R Ip the major chips. I'm hoping for some sort
Speaker 5: of vascular content as far as the foreskin goes, if
Speaker 5: you want to make a Vanny or less Vandy. But
Speaker 5: again that's the boulders get for. It does have to
Speaker 5: come out at some point. Boulders get for skin.
Speaker 4: Thank you, You're welcome. Love that you're welcome. So Boulterers Gate.
Speaker 4: I'm hearing a lot about I'm hearing a lot about this.
Speaker 5: Talking more and more about this game, what.
Speaker 1: It combines, like what's great about dungeons and dragons with
Speaker 1: like are you fighting? What?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 4: How is the game? What is the game play?
Speaker 5: Like pretty fucking immersive? The storytelling is is the immersive
Speaker 5: storytelling of our eminem Pumpkin launch was our goal everything storytelling.
Speaker 5: Now that it feels corny to talk about something that's
Speaker 5: actually telling.
Speaker 4: A story, actually storytelling.
Speaker 5: It actually is. Our menu tells the story of airloom tomatoes.
Speaker 5: Underneath it's actually welcome to Panera bread, Today's stoop story,
Speaker 5: soup stories are as. Probably it's just it's like fun.
Speaker 5: It's corny. I mean it's it is like a corny
Speaker 5: like Dungeons and Dragons video game. But it's just fun.
Speaker 5: I'm playing like a fighter. You're you've got like a
Speaker 5: brain maggot that is that gives you super psychic powers
Speaker 5: that you have to like either remove or like it's
Speaker 5: fucking ripped from the headline. You really do have a
Speaker 5: brain work you literally. Balter's Day three is about having
Speaker 5: brain worms, about this good kind, the good kind of
Speaker 5: brain worms, and also a speech impediment that we're not
Speaker 5: allowed to make fun of. Robert.
Speaker 1: That's the one we should be anytime it's a Kennedy like,
Speaker 1: shouldn't we especially.
Speaker 4: Like a minion. I kept my powder for Susan Collins too,
Speaker 4: you know what I yeah, he's got I wanted to
Speaker 4: kept it dry, kept it dry for that one. Yeah,
Speaker 4: well that was brave. A few miles we.
Speaker 5: Were coming back to her ten years later. We're gonna
Speaker 5: do a Susan Collins.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, dunk contest Vince carter Ship on her.
Speaker 5: We're just trying to negotiate it. So she somehow has
Speaker 5: beef with Kendrick Lamar and we're gonna let him handle
Speaker 5: the Yeah. Yeah every time. Maybe this is just being
Speaker 5: a white dude approaching forty, but every time I even
Speaker 5: reference Kendrick Lamar, I do feel like a white dude
Speaker 5: approaching for it.
Speaker 4: I know people, I know white women who have gotten
Speaker 4: into the beef because they're like, I can't believe what, Like,
Speaker 4: is Kendrick Lamar about to like blow the lid open
Speaker 4: on the entire industry. I'm like, hold on easy, Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: this is I don't know about all of that.
Speaker 6: It's like I just think he's so brave if he's
Speaker 6: standing up for the children, and I was like.
Speaker 4: Are we about to go to Qanontown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not what I mean.
Speaker 5: It's it's like a dose of Qanontown. And I think
Speaker 5: these are already intersecting worlds. Anyway. There's also like a
Speaker 5: healthy amount of true crime podcast in the Kendrick stuff
Speaker 5: where it's like, yeah, it's like serial Kendrick Lamar, where
Speaker 5: like he has like he's done research, they've got evidence,
Speaker 5: he's breaking news, you know, Like in the third song,
Speaker 5: it's like, oh, now we have receipts, we have mentions
Speaker 5: of Ozemtic like all the It works the same way
Speaker 5: a true crime podcast works. That was the Kendrick rollout.
Speaker 5: But right, right, right, yeah. Anyway, I'm playing this role
Speaker 5: playing game and it's just it's just but I'm also
Speaker 5: I'm also so worried that I'm doing it right the
Speaker 5: entire time because it is such an investment of time.
Speaker 5: Like you play these games, they take like, you know,
Speaker 5: one hundred hours or whatever to like complete. So I'm
Speaker 5: like making sure I'm doing the right thing because I
Speaker 5: don't want to be ninety hours deep. And it's like, oh,
Speaker 5: you forgot to fucking pick you know, you forgot to
Speaker 5: like throw this pumpkin at this wall two hours in,
Speaker 5: and now you're going to lose to the boss. Like
Speaker 5: whatever it is, so.
Speaker 4: I should have maxed out dexterity. Fuck? Is it multiplayer?
Speaker 4: Is it open world?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 4: What are we talking?
Speaker 5: You can multiplayer in this one. I am someone who
Speaker 5: I've never liked multipl I've played this game called Ultimate
Speaker 5: Online when I was a like between and a teenager,
Speaker 5: I was heavy into it, which was an mm RPG.
Speaker 5: Ever since then, I have stayed away from online games
Speaker 5: because nothing scratches that same mitch. Nothing has ever quite
Speaker 5: a sad.
Speaker 1: Requent Yeah, first time in there, I lost myself to it,
Speaker 1: all right, amazing, that's I think that's our first baulders
Speaker 1: Gate three search history, even though.
Speaker 4: I think we've had elder credible search histories. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 5: I think everyone I went through it and everything. I
Speaker 5: haven't looked up one constructive thing. It's all like BG three,
Speaker 5: Best Weapon, BG three, How do I beat the troll
Speaker 5: Master at BG three? Just like every single one of
Speaker 5: those things. And then like way down there, it's like
Speaker 5: a mortgage. How to pay?
Speaker 4: What is a mortgage exactly? How how many months can
Speaker 4: you not pay? Mortgage?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Roof hoole bad question mark?
Speaker 5: Question mark? Question mark?
Speaker 4: Second mortgage good? Right, the first mortgage good? Second mortgage?
Speaker 5: Why not first mortgage asap? Just like stuff like that, Yeah, yeah, RFK.
Speaker 5: How to vote multiple times?
Speaker 4: How to use hee loock to buy Fortnite skins?
Speaker 1: What is something that you think is underrated?
Speaker 7: Dating without intention? Which is something I've been doing quite
Speaker 7: a lot, and It's just it takes a lot of
Speaker 7: the pressure off of dating, well not out here trying
Speaker 7: to find anything. In particular, I'm not going in with
Speaker 7: much in the way of expectations, and part of that
Speaker 7: is because the bar for male behavior is low. But
Speaker 7: you know, I go in with the expectation that I'll
Speaker 7: be like treated well and.
Speaker 5: Stuff.
Speaker 7: But I it's bleak out there. Let me tell you. Yeah,
Speaker 7: dating is maybe bleaker than ever. But I'm just like,
Speaker 7: you know what, I don't really.
Speaker 4: Has that helped. I mean, like, are you saying so
Speaker 4: the intent being I don't need to I don't have
Speaker 4: to go into this saying like every day I go
Speaker 4: on is to potentially find the person who I can
Speaker 4: have like a meaningful long term relationship. You're sort of
Speaker 4: switching gears. So like I'm meeting people I don't really
Speaker 4: expect shit, and if I meet somebody that's cool, that's
Speaker 4: a bonus.
Speaker 7: Exactly, Yes, got it. So not that I'm like very
Speaker 7: like oriented toward uh finding like a long term monogamous
Speaker 7: relationship like that isn't super my thing anyway, But I'm like, oh,
Speaker 7: maybe one day I'd like to have some kind of companionship.
Speaker 7: But now you ever, Like, well, mister Wright, I'm afraid
Speaker 7: doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: So I'm just like, you're truly shrek brained. You're not
Speaker 1: waiting for Prince Charming. You're waiting.
Speaker 7: It's and that that is an expectation, But I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I'm just sort of like I'm gonna just have a night, yeah,
Speaker 7: where I'm not sitting at home by myself, and I'm
Speaker 7: you know, meeting a new person and it'll probably go
Speaker 7: anywhere from mediocre to badly, but it's a way to
Speaker 7: pass the time. So that's how I dating.
Speaker 4: Dating for yeah pretty much? Right, right right? What's a
Speaker 4: non shitty date look likely not to say stellar, but
Speaker 4: just not ship.
Speaker 7: I mean someone who can carry a conversation and who
Speaker 7: I don't end up arguing with, because the past few
Speaker 7: dates I've been on, I have like gotten in a
Speaker 7: fight with them, and like a date I went on recently,
Speaker 7: he was like carrying on about how it's pointless to protest,
Speaker 7: and he was specifically talking about like pro Palestine protests,
Speaker 7: and I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 7: And he was like annoyed at the like effects of protests,
Speaker 7: and he's like, oh, people are trying to get places
Speaker 7: and they're blocking stuff off, and I'm like, yeah, that's
Speaker 7: the point, is to disrupt like the status quo and
Speaker 7: get people to notice and pay attention and do something
Speaker 7: about it.
Speaker 4: He was just like, it's just annoying.
Speaker 7: And I was like, okay, well I have to leave now.
Speaker 7: I hate you and I never want to see you again.
Speaker 1: Kaylan is currently like five seconds from punching this person
Speaker 1: in the note, just based on the.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it got very heated.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean I get, yeah, it's fucking wild, like,
Speaker 4: especially when you're looking for someone to potentially like relate
Speaker 4: to that they're so far off with something where they're
Speaker 4: like honestly like people being up in arms over a
Speaker 4: genocidal campaign happening some places, not even here, Like it's annoying,
Speaker 4: and if you're like, oh, that's your fucking worldview, then
Speaker 4: we have nowhere to fuck truly.
Speaker 7: I was like, there's no world in which we would
Speaker 7: ever have anything to talk about or get along about anything, And.
Speaker 4: So who do you have empathy for those people who
Speaker 4: are trying to get places? Dude?
Speaker 1: People sitting in traffic, like traffic sucks.
Speaker 4: And while I get to like, yeah, you see things
Speaker 4: or people like I'm legitimately having to go, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: lose my Like I get that there are all sorts
Speaker 4: of extenuating circumstances that make that disruptive. But yeah, to
Speaker 4: to say things like and because it's annoying, don't fucking
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's like, what about the people at Starbucks who
Speaker 7: like have to get to work. I'm like, well, that's
Speaker 7: a problem with capitalism, not a problem with the protesters,
Speaker 7: Like do you not see any see the world?
Speaker 4: What do you like? What are these antifas?
Speaker 1: What is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 8: Sorry?
Speaker 7: Sorry to start screaming on the podcast.
Speaker 4: No, no, get it out. I like, like, I'm someone as
Speaker 4: someone who's so ignorant of what the modern dating world
Speaker 4: is like. And I mean I have single friends who
Speaker 4: everyone says the same fucking thing. I'm like, what I mean, vackup?
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't know what the difference is like. And that's
Speaker 4: like the hard thing to wrap my head around is like,
Speaker 4: is it that it's too many options? Because for me,
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm going to sea of loneliness. I'm
Speaker 4: just looking for some drift wood also out there, and
Speaker 4: we can hold on to each other till the rescue
Speaker 4: boats come, and that's how you made a relationship work.
Speaker 7: Who many options of the problem. I think it's more
Speaker 7: just the quality of the options that are available is
Speaker 7: kind of at an all time.
Speaker 4: You're too high valuable, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 4: That's a yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've seen an unofficial trend online of
Speaker 1: people being like it's really hard for guys on these
Speaker 1: dating apps. Like I just helped my roommate with like
Speaker 1: his dating profile and he didn't get any bites and
Speaker 1: he's good looking and like he's awesome, so what's going on?
Speaker 7: And people have standards.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Someone had a theory though that because of like the
Speaker 4: frequency of new dates, you can get to that like
Speaker 4: the Again, this was someone's take on Twitter that I'm
Speaker 4: not entirely sure is accurate or not, but that it's
Speaker 4: different than like when before pre app dating, like you
Speaker 4: meet someone and just you try to make it work
Speaker 4: because you're like, I don't know, let's see, let me
Speaker 4: try to make it work, and then from there you
Speaker 4: either adapt to someone or don't and move on. But
Speaker 4: now like it just feels like it's easier to just
Speaker 4: be like ah, I'm not feeling it time to move on,
Speaker 4: and I don't know that that feels like a little
Speaker 4: bit fatalistic, but that that.
Speaker 7: Well, that's something I now do, like immediately in the
Speaker 7: middle of the first date. I'm like, if I sense that, like.
Speaker 4: Right, but you should for something like that, that's disqualifying
Speaker 4: for sure. Yeah. Do you always tell them you're leaving?
Speaker 4: Or do you ever just like pretend? One time?
Speaker 7: I did consider, uh, just walking out the side door
Speaker 7: and running away, but I didn't. I was like, I
Speaker 7: just like sat back down. I was like, so I'm
Speaker 7: gonna leave now. I don't think we're connecting at all
Speaker 7: and I have to go. And he's like, oh, all right,
Speaker 7: well we can't all be for everybody. He took it
Speaker 7: surprisingly well, and I was like, so true, so true.
Speaker 4: Are you mad that I again? Are you mad that
Speaker 4: I insisted on this date being at Lappoo Belle. I
Speaker 4: thought it's cool that this is where Danny Masterson always
Speaker 4: used to hang out. You really, Yeah, there's like a
Speaker 4: huge thing because the owner of Lapoo Belle is also
Speaker 4: like a big Danny Masterson defender.
Speaker 7: And a lot Yeah yeah, wait, that's that French restaurant
Speaker 7: near uc B. Yeah, Frank, okay, never go there again.
Speaker 7: I've only been like once or twice, so yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: but never.
Speaker 1: Master saying you go into the poobe later. What are
Speaker 1: we talking, man, LPs dude?
Speaker 4: Later? All right? What's something you think is overrated? The primary?
Speaker 8: Well that was kind of in there is overrated primary?
Speaker 4: Primary? All right?
Speaker 8: Red, yellow, blue, especially like for little kids and stuff.
Speaker 8: I feel like they're like, you guys are too stupid
Speaker 8: to understand secondary colors. Here's a bunch of primary colors
Speaker 8: for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, for sure.
Speaker 4: Wait what's the RGB scale like for projecting video and
Speaker 4: things like that?
Speaker 8: That's why I was That's why I was saying, maybe
Speaker 8: they're teaching your kids to make television because it's different with.
Speaker 4: Light, right right right yeah, Because like in my weird
Speaker 4: la brain, I was about to be like red, green,
Speaker 4: and blue because I was always us to seeing those
Speaker 4: three lamps like on a projection TV or some shit
Speaker 4: or a projector back in like the eighties and shit.
Speaker 4: But anyway, let's move on. Now I know what it is,
Speaker 4: and I can keep my child from being ignorant about
Speaker 4: primary color. Breaking the cycle, breaking the cycle, you.
Speaker 1: Know, hanging out at the school being like talking you
Speaker 1: know Green, You've got an AirPod in where we're like
Speaker 1: telling you what about the colors.
Speaker 8: On the playground, Like y'all heard about Green?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're like, I think that man is trying to
Speaker 4: sell the kids cannabis over there. You don't know about
Speaker 4: that Green. Green. HiT's different. Green is way different nowadays,
Speaker 4: you feel me?
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come
Speaker 1: back and do some overrated under it.
Speaker 4: And we are back. We are back, and we are back,
Speaker 4: and we're back.
Speaker 1: Hallie, Carlisle, Carlisle or Carly, what do you prefer?
Speaker 2: Well, on sea change, I'm Carlisle, but my friends call
Speaker 2: me Carly, so please car Carly's great?
Speaker 4: Or are we are? We? Are we familiar? Oh?
Speaker 2: We we're on Carly terms.
Speaker 4: All right, Carley, Well, all these familias like that. You
Speaker 4: broke it into New Orleans pology. Amazing.
Speaker 1: So your show is based out of New Orleans, and
Speaker 1: I've heard you as mentioned that like living on a coast,
Speaker 1: and particularly the coast of Louisiana is kind of the
Speaker 1: front lines of global heating, and so I just wanted
Speaker 1: to he guys talk about kind of what you see
Speaker 1: there that we might not be seeing elsewhere right now,
Speaker 1: but might be a preview of like where we're headed.
Speaker 3: Oh, such a great question. I mean when I was
Speaker 3: thinking about this, what really stuck out in my mind.
Speaker 3: I was here twenty twenty one, Hurricane Ida came through,
Speaker 3: and that was a storm that strengthened really fast, rapidly
Speaker 3: intensified as we say, and then after it blew through,
Speaker 3: it wasn't really like a rainstorm. It was more of
Speaker 3: like a windstorm. It caused kind of damage, especially closer
Speaker 3: to the coast. People I think we're out and you're
Speaker 3: out of power near the coast for over three months
Speaker 3: for some people that were really far down there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was crazy. But then not only that we got
Speaker 3: hit by a hurricane, but then immediately after that hurricane
Speaker 3: goes through, we then get hit by a giant heat
Speaker 3: wave and so people don't have power. It's I didn't
Speaker 3: have power for a week, and I couldn't sleep because
Speaker 3: there was just this extreme heat going on. And so
Speaker 3: for me, that's like the picture of what climate change
Speaker 3: means and what we're facing. It's one hazard after the other,
Speaker 3: you know, having to deal with all of these different problems,
Speaker 3: all at once.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean that's just to just to keep
Speaker 2: like the cheerfulness of what's coming for us all going
Speaker 2: that the other thing is a.
Speaker 3: Worst case scenario.
Speaker 5: Yet.
Speaker 2: I mean, seas are rising across the South and across
Speaker 2: the Gulf faster than almost anywhere else in the world,
Speaker 2: so already so many people are having to move from
Speaker 2: from where their families are, from where they live in
Speaker 2: South Louisiana, and like across the southeast coast you're starting
Speaker 2: to see that too, with like more sunny day flooding
Speaker 2: and just like the seas are rising, and it means
Speaker 2: houses on the outer banks in North Carolina are falling
Speaker 2: into the ocean, and it means that people have who
Speaker 2: have lived for generations in Southern Louisiana are having to
Speaker 2: think or already having to move. And it's pretty intense.
Speaker 2: And that is like that is around the world. Seas
Speaker 2: are rising, So it is definitely something that's going to
Speaker 2: change like what our coastlines look like and where people
Speaker 2: can live, I think, pretty like faster than we're planning
Speaker 2: for for.
Speaker 1: Sure, right yeah, right, It's one of those things that
Speaker 1: is already happening, but we it feels like the mainstream
Speaker 1: kind of consciousness, Like that's kind of what we chart
Speaker 1: on our show, and it feels like people have a
Speaker 1: fairly easy time blocking out when it's happening to other
Speaker 1: people as long as it's not happening to them or
Speaker 1: possibly like to their neighbor, than they're.
Speaker 4: Going to such a shame what's happening there. Yeah, like
Speaker 4: that's sort of a level of earth. And yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm really I mean, I think about just the what
Speaker 4: the NOAA was saying about this season's hurricane season and
Speaker 4: how they're like, this could be one of the worst
Speaker 4: ones we've seen in a long time in terms of
Speaker 4: like the something like potentially twenty eight named storm systems
Speaker 4: in this season, and that's a huge uptick. And the
Speaker 4: other part that was really to your point about these
Speaker 4: sort of like compounding natural disaster events, is like FEMA
Speaker 4: and other disaster relief agencies can only handle so much
Speaker 4: that if you have like storm after storm and then
Speaker 4: God forbid another thing over in this part, supply chains
Speaker 4: get strained, and we truly are looking at a thing
Speaker 4: where like they'll be like there's there's literally so much
Speaker 4: going on we can actually not really do anything right now.
Speaker 4: We're spread so thin. And I think that's an other
Speaker 4: real dimension of like sort of like the bureaucratic part
Speaker 4: of it too that you I think people always presume
Speaker 4: they're like, no, they're there, they'll be okay, they'll be
Speaker 4: ready for this, where even for the experts who deal
Speaker 4: with this or saying this, like we're trying to figure
Speaker 4: out how we can even like simulate how we wrap
Speaker 4: our heads around multiple storms hitting multiple places with you know,
Speaker 4: the kinds of devastation that require our assistance. And yeah,
Speaker 4: it is definitely we are going to begin really seeing
Speaker 4: it in a way that we're going to be even
Speaker 4: harder to deny. I mean, I think people who live
Speaker 4: in these areas already see it, but yeah, we're we're
Speaker 4: definitely the messages are there that we need to do
Speaker 4: something about it, which is why liquid natural gas kind
Speaker 4: of comes into it. And the whole impetus for this
Speaker 4: is to talk about the expansion of liquid natural gas
Speaker 4: or I guess we shouldn't even that's like euphae, that's
Speaker 4: like a euphemistic term.
Speaker 1: I mean it's natural. So I feel like we're good here,
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, natural, right, I do that shit worked
Speaker 1: on me like when they first were like, well, guys,
Speaker 1: we're like moving over to natural gas, and oh that shit.
Speaker 2: Is natural that's nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we see it on our buses and like
Speaker 4: Los Angeles are like, oh, all, like either it's CNG
Speaker 4: or LNG and you're like, don't worry, this is this
Speaker 4: is cleaner now because it's operating that and you have
Speaker 4: these like subtle messages around you that reinforce the sort
Speaker 4: of like non threatening nature of this of natural gas.
Speaker 4: But yeah, what what is it? What should we be
Speaker 4: first of all, what should we be calling it so
Speaker 4: we can use the right terminology when we sort of
Speaker 4: think about when we get all these stories hitting us,
Speaker 4: like what should we be calling like liquid natural gas
Speaker 4: if you want to honor what it actually is.
Speaker 2: It's something Halle and I talked about a lot as
Speaker 2: we were writing this series, because everybody knows it is
Speaker 2: natural gas. So like us all of a sudden just
Speaker 2: using another term, people be like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: I'm already first of all, you're already trying to tell
Speaker 2: me about liquified natural gas. Now you're now you're talking
Speaker 2: about some other term I've never heard about, right, So,
Speaker 2: I mean, we did call it natural gas in our
Speaker 2: in our series because that's what we all know it as.
Speaker 2: But I mean, a lot of experts are saying we
Speaker 2: should be calling it methane gas or fracked gas because
Speaker 2: we get it from fracking, which explains, yeah, fraggy guice.
Speaker 2: But it's mostly it's mostly methane. Natural gas is mostly
Speaker 2: made up of methane, which is like, in the short term,
Speaker 2: way worse for our climate than carbon dioxide. So we've
Speaker 2: all been like talking about, you know, carbon emissions in
Speaker 2: this kind of thing, which is like really a serious issue,
Speaker 2: we should be concerned about that, But methane in the
Speaker 2: short term, it's like I had a scientist described it
Speaker 2: to me as like carbon dioxide is like wrapping the
Speaker 2: world in a blanket. Methane is like wrapping the world
Speaker 2: in eighty blankets. Like it's eighty times more potent at
Speaker 2: heating up our climate in the near term.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 2: So when at least it's bad.
Speaker 1: You know, I thought it was good like eighty percent,
Speaker 1: Like if you had told me, guys, it's only eighty
Speaker 1: percent is bad, I would have been like, damn, like
Speaker 1: they lied to us, But eighty times worse is yeah?
Speaker 1: So wild that I can't believe it.
Speaker 4: What are sort of the benefits that have, Like when
Speaker 4: you see a municipality be like, we're going to change
Speaker 4: our entire bus suite to LNG or whatever, what what
Speaker 4: for them? When they're like it's better. What's like the
Speaker 4: very tenuous data or argument they're holding on to to
Speaker 4: be able to say that out loud in public and
Speaker 4: not get laughed at.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, like very simply, methane does burn cleaner than
Speaker 3: like regular gas fleean or something like that. But that's
Speaker 3: only when it's burnt, like when it's actually being burnt
Speaker 3: by those buses, that it is cleaner. But the whole
Speaker 3: life cycle, you know, happened to get it up out
Speaker 3: of the ground, all of the gas that goes out
Speaker 3: transporting it, all of those different pieces. Yeah, you add
Speaker 3: that all up, and it's not yet. The leaks, right,
Speaker 3: it's not good.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: We hear from climate scientists like that. There's been a
Speaker 1: number of like reports where they're like, guys, it's going
Speaker 1: hotter faster than we expected in our some of our
Speaker 1: worst case projections. But I've not heard it connected to
Speaker 1: liquid natural gas until your show that Like that's one
Speaker 1: of the theories as to how we're we're getting there,
Speaker 1: how it's getting so much hotter, so much faster. So
Speaker 1: that's just I wanted to make sure that we made
Speaker 1: that connection too right.
Speaker 4: And what kind of kicked off the LNG boom Like,
Speaker 4: is was it like a green washing thing where the
Speaker 4: emphasis on oil created like a lane for like LNG
Speaker 4: to move in the shadows because everyone's so focused on oil,
Speaker 4: or was there like a pr moment where proponents were like, Okay,
Speaker 4: we can claim that this gas is different, let's do that.
Speaker 4: What sort of like what what were the what were
Speaker 4: the building blocks to kind of get us to this point?
Speaker 4: Now we're like, y'all, we are absolutely destroying our planet
Speaker 4: like one of the worst ways possible, and we're barely
Speaker 4: even talking about that dimension of it.
Speaker 2: I mean, what really kicked this off was like, don't
Speaker 2: remember the fracking boom, Like it was really took off
Speaker 2: like under Obama's time, where like the technology for fracking
Speaker 2: got so good that all of a sudden, these oil
Speaker 2: and gas companies like out in West Texas and New
Speaker 2: Mexico and like the areas where there has been a
Speaker 2: ton of fracking, like they got so good at it
Speaker 2: that there was a surplus right of all this natural gas,
Speaker 2: and they're like, okay, we can only sell so much
Speaker 2: of it domestically. Where are we going to sell all
Speaker 2: this stuff? And we went at that time like there
Speaker 2: were the first correct me if I'm wrong on this alley,
Speaker 2: but I think the first LNG terminal on the on
Speaker 2: the Gulf coast was for bringing it was for importing
Speaker 2: LNG because at that point we didn't have that much.
Speaker 2: And then it goes, you know, in a few years,
Speaker 2: and went from that import terminal becoming an export terminal,
Speaker 2: and then all of these plans for all of these
Speaker 2: this rollout of the like this huge expansion of LNG
Speaker 2: export terminals because we just have that much natural gas
Speaker 2: that you know, the industry is like, well, let's sell it,
Speaker 2: let's lipify it, ship it everywhere else and sell it overseas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we know that natural gas well hm hmm.
Speaker 3: I was about to saying, no, natural gas is cleaner
Speaker 3: than coal, but you know, again that's like a big
Speaker 3: question mark. Not necessarily, but that was at least the
Speaker 3: argument that was grasped by the pr agencies, by the
Speaker 3: oil and gas industries that they promoted that gas is cleaner. Right,
Speaker 3: gas is the cleanest fossil fuel, And so when you
Speaker 3: make people think that, they're like, oh, aren't we already
Speaker 3: doing the cleanest that we can do?
Speaker 4: You know, right? Right? And would I be correct in
Speaker 4: assuming that when Republicans and some Democrats tout the benefits
Speaker 4: of LNG expansion, like new jobs, increased revenues for the community,
Speaker 4: the opposite is happening? Is that is that? Is that correct?
Speaker 4: I mean, like it sounds like locals are not benefiting
Speaker 4: and the environment is absolutely taking an absolute care in
Speaker 4: the teeth because of it. But I don't know, maybe
Speaker 4: there's maybe these people that live in these areas are
Speaker 4: shareholders because those people seem to be getting value. So
Speaker 4: maybe the a lot of the shareholders for these companies
Speaker 4: live along in the Golf coast or this is all
Speaker 4: just pr spin.
Speaker 2: That's a really good question. I think like they're for
Speaker 2: sure supporters on the ground in these communities because there
Speaker 2: are some jobs the whole Like you know, how many
Speaker 2: jobs are construction jobs so around just during the construction,
Speaker 2: and then how many are permanent and how many jobs
Speaker 2: are actually in are the people in the community getting
Speaker 2: those jobs? Like all of that it gets a little
Speaker 2: more nebulous of like how many jobs are really how
Speaker 2: many good jobs are really? You know, is are these
Speaker 2: new export terminals providing? But like on the other side
Speaker 2: of it, for sure, the impacts of the environment are crazy.
Speaker 2: I mean the amount of pollution that these communities are
Speaker 2: having to live with are pretty extreme. So like, yes,
Speaker 2: there are some benefits, but to they outweigh the other
Speaker 2: and then at right, yeah, and then a lot of
Speaker 2: these companies are getting massive tax breaks as well, so
Speaker 2: how much money is coming to these communities. So there
Speaker 2: are a lot of questions like that.
Speaker 4: But the share but the shareholders, right, they are winning.
Speaker 4: The shareholders are winning.
Speaker 2: Shareholders are doing gang bus Okay, great.
Speaker 1: Thank god, Okay, I was worried. I told you Jack,
Speaker 1: they seem to stay winning. It turns out shareholders yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I I like there there's a recent I
Speaker 1: forget which episode it was, but just talking talking about
Speaker 1: how as long as it remains business as usual, they're
Speaker 1: going to keep finding ways to do this. Like the
Speaker 1: natural gas starts as this like buzz term that's like
Speaker 1: this is the future of energy and like it's cleaner
Speaker 1: and it's a bridge fuel to like a cleaner tomorrow
Speaker 1: and then it becomes enscounced and like, you know, the
Speaker 1: second that something is making money, it becomes more powerful.
Speaker 1: And it brings me back to this, Like I remember
Speaker 1: an article in the Wall Street Journal that was talking
Speaker 1: about how DEI and like environmental justice initiatives like were
Speaker 1: like they were like, you know, these once had momentum,
Speaker 1: but now they're a bad word on Wall Street because
Speaker 1: they've been like determined to be less profitable. And it
Speaker 1: just it feels like the way the system is set up,
Speaker 1: like you really can't use the logic the internal mechanisms
Speaker 1: of like hypercapitalism to fix this. It feels like it
Speaker 1: has to take into account that they are going to
Speaker 1: find a way to keep things the way they're going
Speaker 1: for as long as possible, Like they're going to go
Speaker 1: down kicking and screaming.
Speaker 4: But I don't know what.
Speaker 1: Like does that does that seem true to you? Do
Speaker 1: you like, you guys do a good job of highlighting
Speaker 1: things that make you hopeful? Are there examples that kind
Speaker 1: of contradict that of what where people you know, where
Speaker 1: BP is like investing in clean energy in the future
Speaker 1: or something, you know, like what just how do you
Speaker 1: guys think about that.
Speaker 3: Big question, Jack, I know, like the role.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like specifically the ability of like entrenched power
Speaker 1: to ever be like part of the solution.
Speaker 3: I feel like. And Carly, I'm so curious about what
Speaker 3: you think here too, Like you know, I don't I'm
Speaker 3: not sure if you guys are familiar or if your
Speaker 3: listeners are familiar with the IPCC report. It's a giant
Speaker 3: international report that's basically a collection of all of the
Speaker 3: latest and greatest climate science that's summarized by you know,
Speaker 3: all the big climate scientists out there working together on it.
Speaker 3: And when you look at those projections, they always have
Speaker 3: this one option that's business as usual. And so that's
Speaker 3: of like, we kept doing the same thing that we're
Speaker 3: still doing, still rule our society the same way that
Speaker 3: if you look at those projections. Obviously this is audience.
Speaker 3: So I have to explain my hand gesture here. The graph,
Speaker 3: the temperature graph just keeps going up. It's just an
Speaker 3: exponential graph to the top where our planet just kind
Speaker 3: of burns up. And I think that that says that
Speaker 3: we should not continue business as usual. We need to
Speaker 3: find other ways to do our business.
Speaker 1: Okay, so your anti planet burning up Okay, interesting, that's Europe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not going to come in with the counterpoint to that,
Speaker 2: but but I am going to bring in the hope
Speaker 2: that I think you are looking for, Jack, which is
Speaker 2: like renewables are also doing gangbusters, and like the solar
Speaker 2: installations and wind capacity that we're adding every year is
Speaker 2: like we're doing better than expected. And so like renewables
Speaker 2: are taking off, they're getting everybody knows, they're also getting cheaper.
Speaker 2: They're becoming the cheaper option. And so yes, entrenched power,
Speaker 2: an entrenched industry is really hard to like dislodge from
Speaker 2: their place of power. Of course they want to keep
Speaker 2: doing business as usual. But when the market keeps saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: but this is so much cheaper and better for the planet,
Speaker 2: then there's only so long you can you can fight that,
Speaker 2: So right, I mean that's really hopeful. It's just how
Speaker 2: much renewable energy is taking off around the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just to bash capitalism a little bit more though there.
Speaker 4: And then and then right after that, Carly with a counterpoint.
Speaker 3: Last year, I was talking to this like retired like
Speaker 3: longtime environmental lawyer, and he I don't know if I's
Speaker 3: have heard of the rights of nature movement, it's basically
Speaker 3: this like push by different indigenous groups to be able
Speaker 3: to steward these different pieces of nature and give them
Speaker 3: their own rights, almost as a person, like a river
Speaker 3: could be have the same protective rights as a person.
Speaker 3: And that's actually moving forward. In South American countries, that's
Speaker 3: moving forward. It's actually been ingrained and a Latin American
Speaker 3: country's constitution, and it's moving forward in places like Europe,
Speaker 3: areas that are more socialist. That moves forward. And when
Speaker 3: I was asking him, like, is there any hope can
Speaker 3: we get that done here in the US, He's like,
Speaker 3: I mean we could, but capitalism.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like how many guillotines you got? Counterpoint, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: The only thing that should have the rights of people
Speaker 1: is corporate.
Speaker 2: Corporations capitalism yea burnt Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Sorry, I could tell you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I mean there there was successful legislation in Where
Speaker 1: was it? It was in a US state? I want
Speaker 1: to say Minnesota maybe, but where like a group of
Speaker 1: kids basically and keep it. I don't know enough to
Speaker 1: finish this sentence.
Speaker 4: Minnesota Timberwolves or something. I was thinking of.
Speaker 1: The Minnesota Timberwolves had a good run in the NBA Playoffs.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Yeah, you mean the kids lawsuit, like the.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's the one I was thinking of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, seeing companies for our future.
Speaker 1: Yeah yes, yeah, yeah, a question like oh, all right,
Speaker 1: all right, let's uh, let's take a quick break and
Speaker 1: we will be right back. And we're back, and time
Speaker 1: to discuss one of my favorite ridge farms, Pep Ridge Farm,
Speaker 1: makers of goldfish, who recently unveiled a new flavor, spicy
Speaker 1: Dill Pickle, which isn't the first time that they've released
Speaker 1: a different flavor, but it does seem they got old Bay,
Speaker 1: they got old Bay, they got flavor blasted goldfish. Flavor
Speaker 1: blasted goldfish are fucking incredible. I got it's too much.
Speaker 4: It's a hat on top of a hat for me,
Speaker 4: No sore.
Speaker 7: The ones that are like that have like a powder
Speaker 7: on them right now, Yeah, they have like dorito dust.
Speaker 7: I don't want that.
Speaker 4: That's why the originals to begin with, they were they
Speaker 4: weren't a finger altering substance. Yeah, yeah, no, the originals
Speaker 4: are probably the best.
Speaker 1: But of the additional varieties, I do think flavor blasted original,
Speaker 1: you know, like you blast it with the original flavor,
Speaker 1: you doubled down on what was working in the first place.
Speaker 1: That is what I'm talking about. None of this fucking
Speaker 1: parmesan stuff.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's gross.
Speaker 1: I better stop here before I start saying stuff about
Speaker 1: Italian people that I'm gonna regret. But Jesus, let's just
Speaker 1: say I did say parmesan in a weird way there.
Speaker 4: That sounded more hateful than it. Okay, wow, okay.
Speaker 1: Parmijeon spit on the ground.
Speaker 4: I only like the crack ship in the green can
Speaker 4: the fake stuff?
Speaker 7: Yeah? Give me that American cheese.
Speaker 1: You don't actually put American cheese on my pasta When
Speaker 1: I'm at an Italian restaurant.
Speaker 9: Individuals, I would like cheese, not that ship. Though I
Speaker 9: have my own what you call them bread. You please
Speaker 9: take this plastic sleeve. I don't eat any singles.
Speaker 1: That gros.
Speaker 4: That's how we had lasagna. I remember at my school
Speaker 4: cafeteria it was all American cheese.
Speaker 7: Yuh that grows. American cheese is objectively the worst of
Speaker 7: all the cheeses you were alive.
Speaker 1: Is incredible, like what we ate growing up, It's unbelievable.
Speaker 4: Do you aw expensive American cheeses? Though?
Speaker 7: Is like the price does not make four for.
Speaker 1: Like a thirty pack, but each pack is individually each
Speaker 1: piece is individually wrapped, so it doesn't it doesn't go bad.
Speaker 4: Like there was like yeah, like one of those little
Speaker 4: half sacks was like on par with buy like legit
Speaker 4: just cheddar cheese, And I was like, what what the
Speaker 4: fuck are they trying to do? Like why are you
Speaker 4: charging this much for just water and oil in the
Speaker 4: shape of a cheese.
Speaker 1: Whatever oil is, it has to be made in a machine,
Speaker 1: has to be drilled out of the earth miles.
Speaker 4: It's made with crude petroleum.
Speaker 1: That American cheese point like doesn't make sense from a
Speaker 1: physics perspective.
Speaker 4: American cheese is made with jet fuel, crude oil, and bullets.
Speaker 1: But anyways, Goldfish taking a big swing with a spicy
Speaker 1: dill pickle. There is a like market research firm somewhere
Speaker 1: that has been like, guys pickles the wave of the
Speaker 1: future because like that, the city of la is covered
Speaker 1: in billboards for like pickle companies and like the pickles
Speaker 1: that are coming out, and now Goldfish is like getting
Speaker 1: in on the pick craze. That was congratulations to them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, about eight years ago there were like people around
Speaker 4: here like dude, I'm starting to make pickles, and I'm like, okay, sure,
Speaker 4: like thanks whatever.
Speaker 7: I make pickles. Whenever I bought buy a jar of pickles,
Speaker 7: I eat the pickles. There's a lot of pickle juice
Speaker 7: left over. And then I buy a cucumber and I
Speaker 7: wow it up and put it in the pickle juice.
Speaker 7: Let it sit, let it, you know, fester for a bit,
Speaker 7: and another jar pickles.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they're all in the cookbooks.
Speaker 5: Nice.
Speaker 4: That nice, Just you can you really do that? Though
Speaker 4: I legitimately do that.
Speaker 1: That is the most sustainable ship I've ever heard of.
Speaker 7: Because it feels wasteful to dump out all that pickle juice.
Speaker 4: That's a lot of pickle juice, or use it as
Speaker 4: brining liquid. Yeah, exactly like chicken thighs and like really
Speaker 4: grind that ship in pickle juice, because you know, that's
Speaker 4: what they say about. Like the rumor was like a
Speaker 4: Chick fil a or whatever that you nkle brine or whatever.
Speaker 4: But I think in general, like it's a good salted
Speaker 4: brinding liquid.
Speaker 1: It was that.
Speaker 4: Or I would just buy a bottle of whiskey and
Speaker 4: just do a bunch of picklebacks.
Speaker 7: That too, Oh Okay, wait, wait you say it.
Speaker 4: You're in recovery and you never were drinking picklebacks. No,
Speaker 4: drinking tequila with tabasco sauce. That was my like, oh
Speaker 4: I don't like this, but I can't stop drinking casco
Speaker 4: tabila casco.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 7: No, you take a shot of whiskey and then you
Speaker 7: chase iti with pickle juice.
Speaker 4: Goddamn. And I was drinking. I was hooked because the
Speaker 4: way it neutralized that alcohol flavor in your mouth and
Speaker 4: gave you a little bit of that like briny like ah,
Speaker 4: I thought it was a health food for a while. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I was like, it's vegetable water. Yeah, this is basically
Speaker 4: what they used to drink, and lethal amounts of salt.
Speaker 4: I'm drinking.
Speaker 7: But okay, I you know vinegar, which I'm sure is
Speaker 7: the main ingredient in pickle juice. Yeah, it's it helps
Speaker 7: with your digestion. It's good for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there, so there. Yeah, I just dumped my
Speaker 1: leftover pickle juice and my gas tank and Jesus does
Speaker 1: not go well that smell. Yeah that's not bad?
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 1: So you know, some theories have it the Pepperidge farm
Speaker 1: is looking to distract from the fact that they recently
Speaker 1: got sued for allegedly misleading customers with claims that goldfish
Speaker 1: crackers contain no artificial flavors or preservatives. It's wild because
Speaker 1: that phrase artificial flavors was invented to be so broad
Speaker 1: as to resist like definition at all. Right, Like they
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, we're gonna the food industry is going
Speaker 1: to create this as a thing. Nobody knows what an
Speaker 1: artificial flavor is, but we can pretend like the food
Speaker 1: is somehow more pure than other foods by just claiming this.
Speaker 1: And they even got caught using that, Like why, I
Speaker 1: mean this could by no definition? Are these not artificial flavors?
Speaker 4: I am so fucking stupid that you saying that just
Speaker 4: fucked up my entire worldview. It's crazy out here being like, oh,
Speaker 4: no artificial flavors, Yeah, except for industry is straight up
Speaker 4: some fucking blacking combo that doesn't exist in nature and
Speaker 4: would have to certainly be artificial. I like, but they
Speaker 4: said no artificial flavors, but they said yeah, wow, wow,
Speaker 4: wow wow.
Speaker 1: Which brings us to our random aside. Apparently, the origin
Speaker 1: of goldfish crackers. They were originally created by a with
Speaker 1: a machine built by a World War Two Nazi code
Speaker 1: breaker who was instrumental in convincing Hitler that the Allies
Speaker 1: were set to land in Kala, not Normandy. Wow, so
Speaker 1: we have goldfit and that so retired from being a
Speaker 1: Nazi after World War Two, and like somebody was traveling
Speaker 1: around and was like this guy makes cool fish shape
Speaker 1: him cranked crackers, and they like sold it to Pepperidge
Speaker 1: Farm and that's how we have the goldfish cracker today.
Speaker 1: But that person basically was so bad at their job
Speaker 1: as a code breaker that they allowed the Allies to
Speaker 1: win the war.
Speaker 4: Wait he no, no, no, he's a Nazi coach. He was
Speaker 4: breaking Nazi code he was breaking That.
Speaker 7: Was my question. Was he a Nazi?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 7: No, he was breaking Nazi code breaker?
Speaker 4: Who is He's good guy, He's Jack. If I can't
Speaker 4: I can't in one go, I can't learn that artificial
Speaker 4: flavors is bullshit and I'm eating NTS goldfish crackers, man,
Speaker 4: Like that would have been such a blow to my
Speaker 4: entire identity.
Speaker 7: Oh wow, Okay, yeah, okay, so he on purpose wrong,
Speaker 7: like convinced Hler the wrong thing. So he was like
Speaker 7: fucking undercover.
Speaker 1: Good for him. Yeah, I'm back on board. Oh I
Speaker 1: gotta go fish so many bags of goldfish crackers out
Speaker 1: of my garbage.
Speaker 4: Not eating this fucking third Reich bullshit.
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 1: So anyways, though it ties into D Day, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: shout out to that. I also just think it's funny
Speaker 1: that like that was like an invention goldfish shaped crackers.
Speaker 1: They were like, you hear about this guy over in Germany.
Speaker 1: Crackers are shaped like little fucking goldfish. Like they had
Speaker 1: to hire him to Like it feels like it should
Speaker 1: be easy.
Speaker 7: But well it makes you wonder about like who invented
Speaker 7: the dinosaur shaped chicken nuggets?
Speaker 4: Right? And I don't want there, I don't want.
Speaker 7: It'll break you, you can't.
Speaker 4: It was Oppenheimer. I'm like, no ah, goddamn it.
Speaker 5: I mean these I.
Speaker 4: Just want to resist saying that this is the bomb,
Speaker 4: but it's damn close, damn close. Yeah, who invented dino nuggets?
Speaker 4: Because those aren't. That's also I feel like we do
Speaker 4: need to know the history of the dino nugget there.
Speaker 7: I haven't had them, you know, since I was a kid.
Speaker 7: But they're delicious, yeah, probably, and probably terrible for you.
Speaker 7: But then that's fine, and that's.
Speaker 4: Fine, and that's fine pissed.
Speaker 7: So who am I?
Speaker 4: I'm watching it down with a forty Shrek piss Okay,
Speaker 4: that's the of my words. Oh shit, amazing. Should we
Speaker 4: do one more? We got we got a couple kind
Speaker 4: of media ones. All right, Uh, did you guys read
Speaker 4: the three M story that I remember it was getting
Speaker 4: teased out last week or the week? Yeah, f three
Speaker 4: ms got forever chemicals problem.
Speaker 1: It's bad, man, it is so I so I finally
Speaker 1: read the three M story.
Speaker 4: We'll link off to it in the footnotes.
Speaker 1: It's a collabo between Pro Publica and The New Yorker.
Speaker 1: I've always resented three AM a little bit for being
Speaker 1: the company that actually invented post it notes and not
Speaker 1: Romeo Michelle, you know, but the business press like also
Speaker 1: trained me to like the business press like has a
Speaker 1: crush on three AM. They've always been like, like they
Speaker 1: love to tell the story of like how they came
Speaker 1: up with the post it note, Like they like came
Speaker 1: up with this glue that was two weak to be
Speaker 1: effective for anything, but then they put it on the
Speaker 1: post it and realized it could be. Like they there's
Speaker 1: so many like Gladwell Light writers who like love to
Speaker 1: tell the story of how it Riam is this little
Speaker 1: place for like ingenious little tinkerers, and you know, so
Speaker 1: they started with I think their first invention was like
Speaker 1: masking tape. But then they like, now they make a
Speaker 1: bunch of the different kinds of bandages and sponges and
Speaker 1: all sorts of shit. Scotch Guard the thing that like
Speaker 1: makes various papers and packages waterproof. And that's the one
Speaker 1: that got us in trouble because so one of their
Speaker 1: scientists in the late nineties was given a weird assignment,
Speaker 1: very foreboding, where they're like.
Speaker 5: Hey, weird.
Speaker 1: They take this broad cross section of Red Cross blood
Speaker 1: donations and start looking for our chemicals in these blood donations.
Speaker 1: And she was like okay, and she found she found
Speaker 1: these pfos, the things that are in Scotch guards, in
Speaker 1: every single sample, every single way.
Speaker 5: God.
Speaker 1: And so they were like, well, this must be a
Speaker 1: mistake kept because they were like, okay, well here take
Speaker 1: this blood sample. She was like, yeah, it's in there too,
Speaker 1: and they were like, well, that's my pet horse, so
Speaker 1: you must be lying. And then they realized, oh no,
Speaker 1: it's like getting into your pet horse's bloodstream through like
Speaker 1: fish meal because like it's so pervasive in all water,
Speaker 1: like it's in all the fish, it's in everywhere, it's
Speaker 1: fucking everywhere. They realized like that all their readings were
Speaker 1: accurate when they finally like found a blood sample of
Speaker 1: like people who died before the invention of these chemicals
Speaker 1: these pfos and found and find that was the first
Speaker 1: sample that they tested that didn't have these pfos in it.
Speaker 1: And it's like gotten more and more over time because
Speaker 1: it accumulates, like our body has no way to get
Speaker 1: rid of it, and it just gets more and more.
Speaker 1: So like at first they were like, well, this is
Speaker 1: no problem though, because even though the chemicals are in
Speaker 1: our bloodstream, like they're not that harmful, but they accumulate
Speaker 1: and get more and more, so we actually don't know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. And now some people are speculating
Speaker 1: that it has it's like the cause of some types
Speaker 1: of cancer, and it's the cause of lowering like sperm
Speaker 1: count and lowering reproductive rates around the globe. And it's
Speaker 1: just a again we'll likek off to it. It's a
Speaker 1: must read, but it's really you know, we present a
Speaker 1: lot of reasons on this show that unregulated hypercapitalism doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to work as the organizing principle for all of
Speaker 1: human civilization, all of humanity. But this is like maybe
Speaker 1: the biggest and scariest that I've ever encountered.
Speaker 4: Like, we have.
Speaker 1: These companies steering the ship who have nothing but short
Speaker 1: term profit in mind, and they will poison us all
Speaker 1: to death if the poison is slow enough that they
Speaker 1: can get enough of our money before we die. Like
Speaker 1: that's essentially Like so she discovered this in like the
Speaker 1: nineties and immediately started getting like frozen out by her
Speaker 1: like co workers. She was asked to present the findings
Speaker 1: to the CEO of the company. The CEO, like all
Speaker 1: all of the head lead executives, like higher up executives,
Speaker 1: started attacking her and being like who told you to
Speaker 1: do this? And like what what is your motivation for?
Speaker 1: Like doing this research that like tears down the amazing
Speaker 1: inventions that people at this company have done. And while
Speaker 1: they were doing that, the CEO fell asleep and started
Speaker 1: drooling on his dress shirt like in that meeting, and
Speaker 1: then she got like reassigned away from that and then
Speaker 1: like this article, as this article uncovers like they had
Speaker 1: known about it, for like twenty years before and like
Speaker 1: there there were various executives who were like, this is
Speaker 1: really bad, but they basically like laundered the findings through
Speaker 1: her because they knew it was going to be bad
Speaker 1: for whoever's career like was associated with it. Jesus, it's
Speaker 1: this fucking bonkers thing. But it doesn't like it just
Speaker 1: feels like how every single corporation that you read about
Speaker 1: like operates they you know, it's just they are hostile
Speaker 1: to whatever is going to prove counter profitable. You know,
Speaker 1: if it's going to slow down profits, it's going to
Speaker 1: be wildly unpopular.
Speaker 7: Okay, first of all, sounds like we need a sequel
Speaker 7: to Aaron Brockovic.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I mean I think Darkwater is somehow related
Speaker 1: to these chemists.
Speaker 7: Dark Darkwater is the all male reboot of Aaron Brockovich.
Speaker 4: Aaron Brockovich.
Speaker 7: I don't know if anyone saw that movie, but I
Speaker 7: did in theaters. Brag and there you go. I forget
Speaker 7: what company. It's not three a M. It was a
Speaker 7: different company that Mark Ruffalo's character was like learning that
Speaker 7: like all this like lun or something is in drinking water, Yeah, DuPont, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 7: and a bunch of people were being poisoned by their
Speaker 7: drinking water in a certain region, and so I guess
Speaker 7: we just need another movie to complete.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what it takes. Like did you see the
Speaker 4: movie about three of It's like that pro public article
Speaker 4: came out seventeen years.
Speaker 6: Ago, right, and you're like, oh no, yeah, but the
Speaker 6: movie's great. Anya Taylor Joy is fantastic as the human
Speaker 6: manifestation of one of those p Foss.
Speaker 4: Chemicals Powerhouse Performance, Powerhouse Performance.
Speaker 1: It is wild, Like how like there was a part
Speaker 1: of me like I had been incepted with goodwill towards
Speaker 1: this company by like articles that were just yeah, we're
Speaker 1: just like and we think your stuff ingenuity works, and
Speaker 1: like yeah, we're just like kind of the people behind
Speaker 1: the people. And like once you read about them, you
Speaker 1: start looking around you see like, oh three M is
Speaker 1: like their labels on everything. And for me that was
Speaker 1: like a fun discovery back back in you know, ten
Speaker 1: years ago, it's like, oh this here's a company out
Speaker 1: of like the humble, you know, state of Minnesota who's
Speaker 1: secretly like doing all this good work. And now it's
Speaker 1: like fucking terrify. It's like the end of usual suspects
Speaker 1: where it's like three m is everywhere and they don't
Speaker 1: give a fuck about your health at all, and even
Speaker 1: like some of the stuff, like now that they've been sued,
Speaker 1: they have like a ten billion dollar settlement that people
Speaker 1: are saying it is just the tip of the iceberg,
Speaker 1: but they are like even the they've like made a
Speaker 1: big show about like, you know, we're evolving with the
Speaker 1: new scientific findings. That was before this report came out,
Speaker 1: proving that they like had had the findings before any
Speaker 1: of us, and like now even now like they're wording
Speaker 1: around like what they're actually agreeing to do, it's still
Speaker 1: like very hedgy and like we're gonna we are going
Speaker 1: to get rid of these things as long as we
Speaker 1: can find a profitable replacement.
Speaker 4: Too, you know, like.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah that literally one of the things that
Speaker 1: they started replacing the p fos with was like pfas
Speaker 1: and like or pfbs and that scientist who is now
Speaker 1: you know, a whistleblower and like the main source for
Speaker 1: this report was like and I knew at that time,
Speaker 1: like those are also going to be bad and accumulating
Speaker 1: in people's bloods through So it's just a crazy story
Speaker 1: but shout out to pro Publica. They do really great work.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Damn, it was wild too, because I remember they
Speaker 4: like a few years ago, like right before the pandemic,
Speaker 4: they were trying to get legislation through that three m
Speaker 4: was fighting hard about designating these chemicals as like fucked up,
Speaker 4: and they were successful at defeating that legislation. And now
Speaker 4: we're like, yeah, because it's so fucking bad. Cool cool,
Speaker 4: all right, Yeah, I mean yeah, so need a new
Speaker 4: system anyway, That's what I'm saying. Just take eat a
Speaker 4: handful of goldfish, wash it down some Shrek piss.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I might just have to get out there and like
Speaker 4: help people with the misinformation. Like this is the only
Speaker 4: way we're gonna get through folks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, drink your Shrek piss, eat your gold fish,
Speaker 1: dr fish, you take down three.
Speaker 4: All right, that's gonna do it.
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