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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from

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Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Yeah, so,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Well, Miles,

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Speaker 1: we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat

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Speaker 1: by the host of the fascinating podcast Sea Change, which

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Speaker 1: is produced by New Orleans and Batmano's Public Radio. Please

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Carlisle Calhoun and Hallie Park.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome you, thank you, happy to be here.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having us.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, it's nice to have people who are

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Speaker 4: doing really good investigative podcasting, unlike us who are subjecting

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Speaker 4: you guys to try to figure out a food and wine.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, two peers in the world

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Speaker 1: of just doing important podcasting, groundbreaking podcasting. It's it's great

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Speaker 1: to be in the same room with some people who

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Speaker 1: I can just let my hair down and be like, I'm.

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Speaker 4: With my people.

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Speaker 1: We both get you know, we both we both get

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Speaker 1: it and are breaking new ground.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm loving it in the space

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Speaker 2: that you all are providing here.

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Speaker 5: So thank you.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're I'm already thoroughly entertained.

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Speaker 4: Oh, thank you're too kind, You're too kind. I don't

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Speaker 4: know if our names will ever be listed or mentioned

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Speaker 4: by anything with the word pullets are in front of it.

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Speaker 5: But probably not.

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Speaker 1: We are we are definitively unassociated with anything to do

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Speaker 1: with the bulletsers. They were like, we just wanted they

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Speaker 1: issued a statement just making sure that everybody with just

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Speaker 1: for no purpose. Yeah, just to just to be clear.

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Speaker 1: We have nothing to do with that show f y.

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Speaker 1: I nobody suggested we did.

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Speaker 4: But we just want to get we'll get ahead of it,

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Speaker 4: get ahead of any misunderstandings for sure. For sure, you

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Speaker 4: guys are both in New Orleans.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we're both based in New Orleans.

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Speaker 4: How is New Orleans? Right now? This time? Here?

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Speaker 1: Steamy put in a charming way, right, yeah, drenched in history.

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Speaker 4: That grown from holly kind of I said a lot

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Speaker 4: for me.

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Speaker 3: It's the time of year where it's just air conditioning

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Speaker 3: all day. You get to see the sun outside. You

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Speaker 3: want to touch it, but can't. You know you'll get burned.

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Speaker 2: It's like the inverse of everywhere else Like the rest

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Speaker 2: of the year, everybody like looks at our zoom backgrounds

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Speaker 2: and they're like, where are you. God, that looks amazing, Oh,

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Speaker 2: New Orleans, and this summertime it's just us being like

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Speaker 2: everybody else is like yay summer.

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Speaker 1: And we're like, yeah, just the deafening sound of insects,

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Speaker 1: like drowning in heat.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the muggy or the place I feel like, the

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Speaker 4: less enthusiasm from people who have to go through it

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Speaker 4: every year. They're like, no, that's fine. I mean I

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Speaker 4: have to bring seven pairs of seven outfits with me

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Speaker 4: just to go outside for ten minutes exactly.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know that.

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Speaker 4: I know that.

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Speaker 1: Plate air conditioning huh what a what an innovation?

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Speaker 3: Need to get the one in my car. Thick, it's

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Speaker 3: been a year, guys, oh wow, And it's crazy being

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Speaker 3: a NEWARS.

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Speaker 2: That is not okay. That is not okay.

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Speaker 1: So are you just like driving eighty down in a

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Speaker 3: Feel a breeze and also feel some life.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just feel a lot.

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Speaker 4: When I had I had an all black car that

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Speaker 4: a driving shirt I would wear because I like, when

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Speaker 3: But that's actually genius. I mean, ideally I'll get my

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Speaker 3: act together and just get my fix, but it's not

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Speaker 3: I can make sure great innovation.

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Speaker 4: The way my problem solving works is especially at that time,

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Speaker 4: like is it gonna cost money? And I'm like, well,

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Speaker 1: Oh man, the stands that would have grown out of

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Speaker 4: Podcast about another existential threat to humanity?

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Speaker 1: Scientifically, what is something from your search history that is

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Speaker 5: This is a very specific to Ian Carmel right now

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Speaker 5: search history result, but it is best billed for Mage

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Speaker 5: BG three. I recently downloaded the video game Balder's Gay

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Speaker 5: three and it has it didn't even come out recently,

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Speaker 5: I think, I think it's come out in the last year,

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Speaker 5: but it has completely swallowed my life. I have I

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Speaker 5: have been lost in a world of dungeons and baggons

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Speaker 5: role playing. Yeah, for the last uh, for the last

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Speaker 5: few days. I'm currently unemployed. I'm about to go on

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Speaker 5: the tour for the book and everything, but I am

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Speaker 5: in this beautiful period where there's not quite enough time

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Speaker 5: to do anything constructive. So I am playing a video game,

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Speaker 5: a video game where when you're creating a character, there

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Speaker 5: are different options for what penis they have.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, can you get to see them?

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Speaker 5: You get to see them. You get to cycle through

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Speaker 5: three different penises or a default or three different volvas

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Speaker 5: or the default.

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Speaker 4: Okay, do you see it? Like?

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Speaker 1: What what it looks like in action? What it looks

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Speaker 1: like just like kind of hanging out, only you never.

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Speaker 5: See it erect And honestly, the biggest changes are in

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Speaker 5: pubic care, like the amount and thickness of the pubic

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Speaker 5: care that I've noticed. There are no I think, as

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Speaker 5: this is supposed to take place in sort of fantasy

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Speaker 5: world of the past, no circumcision. So it's huh, you're

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Speaker 5: hanging wind sock on every penis available.

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Speaker 4: Can you can you like? Is that like an other?

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Speaker 4: Are there sliders for customizing the foreskin to be like

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Speaker 4: I would have more junk on that?

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Speaker 5: There's not, there's not. They haven't gotten that in depth yet.

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Speaker 5: I'm hoping for a patch at some point or maybe

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Speaker 5: a mob that does let you get maybe a little

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Speaker 5: more involved in the foreskin.

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Speaker 4: Dynamic full on wizard sleeve, Yeah yeah, I got it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, full of hanging down wizard sleeve.

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Speaker 1: I'd like piercing of age wizard sleep wizards sleeve.

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Speaker 4: Right there? Is that mage just short for major?

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Speaker 1: Is that major chips?

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Speaker 5: R Ip the major chips. I'm hoping for some sort

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Speaker 5: you want to make a Vanny or less Vandy. But

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Speaker 5: again that's the boulders get for. It does have to

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Speaker 4: Thank you, You're welcome. Love that you're welcome. So Boulterers Gate.

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Speaker 4: I'm hearing a lot about I'm hearing a lot about this.

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Speaker 5: Talking more and more about this game, what.

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Speaker 1: It combines, like what's great about dungeons and dragons with

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Speaker 1: like are you fighting? What?

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Speaker 4: How is the game? What is the game play?

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Speaker 5: Like pretty fucking immersive? The storytelling is is the immersive

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Speaker 5: storytelling of our eminem Pumpkin launch was our goal everything storytelling.

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Speaker 5: Now that it feels corny to talk about something that's

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Speaker 4: A story, actually storytelling.

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Speaker 5: It actually is. Our menu tells the story of airloom tomatoes.

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Speaker 5: Underneath it's actually welcome to Panera bread, Today's stoop story,

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Speaker 5: soup stories are as. Probably it's just it's like fun.

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Speaker 5: It's corny. I mean it's it is like a corny

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Speaker 5: I'm playing like a fighter. You're you've got like a

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Speaker 5: brain work you literally. Balter's Day three is about having

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Speaker 5: allowed to make fun of. Robert.

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Speaker 1: That's the one we should be anytime it's a Kennedy like,

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Speaker 4: Like a minion. I kept my powder for Susan Collins too,

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Speaker 4: you know what I yeah, he's got I wanted to

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Speaker 4: well that was brave. A few miles we.

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Speaker 5: Were coming back to her ten years later. We're gonna

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, dunk contest Vince carter Ship on her.

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Speaker 5: We're just trying to negotiate it. So she somehow has

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Speaker 4: I know people, I know white women who have gotten

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Speaker 5: these are already intersecting worlds. Anyway. There's also like a

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Speaker 5: But right, right, right, yeah. Anyway, I'm playing this role

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Speaker 5: Like you play these games, they take like, you know,

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Speaker 4: I should have maxed out dexterity. Fuck? Is it multiplayer?

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Speaker 4: Is it open world?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 4: What are we talking?

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Speaker 5: You can multiplayer in this one. I am someone who

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Speaker 5: I've never liked multipl I've played this game called Ultimate

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Speaker 5: Online when I was a like between and a teenager,

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Speaker 5: Ever since then, I have stayed away from online games

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Speaker 5: because nothing scratches that same mitch. Nothing has ever quite

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Speaker 1: Requent Yeah, first time in there, I lost myself to it,

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Speaker 1: all right, amazing, that's I think that's our first baulders

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Speaker 1: Gate three search history, even though.

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Speaker 4: I think we've had elder credible search histories. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: And while I get to like, yeah, you see things

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Speaker 7: Sorry to start screaming on the podcast.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what the difference is like. And that's

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Speaker 7: And people have standards.

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Speaker 7: Well, that's something I now do, like immediately in the

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Speaker 7: well we can't all be for everybody. He took it

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Speaker 4: Are you mad that I again? Are you mad that

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Speaker 4: I insisted on this date being at Lappoo Belle. I

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Speaker 4: Later? All right? What's something you think is overrated? The primary?

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Speaker 8: Well that was kind of in there is overrated primary?

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Speaker 4: Primary? All right?

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Speaker 8: Red, yellow, blue, especially like for little kids and stuff.

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Speaker 8: I feel like they're like, you guys are too stupid

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, for sure.

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Speaker 4: Wait what's the RGB scale like for projecting video and

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Speaker 8: That's why I was That's why I was saying, maybe

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Speaker 4: Light, right right right yeah, Because like in my weird

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Speaker 1: Know, hanging out at the school being like talking you

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Speaker 8: On the playground, Like y'all heard about Green?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're like, I think that man is trying to

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Speaker 4: And we are back. We are back, and we are back,

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Speaker 1: Hallie, Carlisle, Carlisle or Carly, what do you prefer?

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Speaker 4: Or are we are? We? Are we familiar? Oh?

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Speaker 4: All right, Carley, Well, all these familias like that. You

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Speaker 1: So your show is based out of New Orleans, and

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Speaker 3: wave and so people don't have power. It's I didn't

438
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Speaker 3: have power for a week, and I couldn't sleep because

439
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 3: there was just this extreme heat going on. And so

440
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 3: for me, that's like the picture of what climate change

441
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 3: means and what we're facing. It's one hazard after the other,

442
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 3: you know, having to deal with all of these different problems,

443
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 3: all at once.

444
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean that's just to just to keep

445
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 2: like the cheerfulness of what's coming for us all going

446
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 2: that the other thing is a.

447
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 3: Worst case scenario.

448
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 5: Yet.

449
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Speaker 2: I mean, seas are rising across the South and across

450
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 2: the Gulf faster than almost anywhere else in the world,

451
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 2: so already so many people are having to move from

452
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 2: from where their families are, from where they live in

453
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 2: South Louisiana, and like across the southeast coast you're starting

454
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: to see that too, with like more sunny day flooding

455
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 2: and just like the seas are rising, and it means

456
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 2: houses on the outer banks in North Carolina are falling

457
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Speaker 2: into the ocean, and it means that people have who

458
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 2: have lived for generations in Southern Louisiana are having to

459
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 2: think or already having to move. And it's pretty intense.

460
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,360
Speaker 2: And that is like that is around the world. Seas

461
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 2: are rising, So it is definitely something that's going to

462
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Speaker 2: change like what our coastlines look like and where people

463
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Speaker 2: can live, I think, pretty like faster than we're planning

464
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Speaker 2: for for.

465
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Speaker 1: Sure, right yeah, right, It's one of those things that

466
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,719
Speaker 1: is already happening, but we it feels like the mainstream

467
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Speaker 1: kind of consciousness, Like that's kind of what we chart

468
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 1: on our show, and it feels like people have a

469
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Speaker 1: fairly easy time blocking out when it's happening to other

470
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: people as long as it's not happening to them or

471
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Speaker 1: possibly like to their neighbor, than they're.

472
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Speaker 4: Going to such a shame what's happening there. Yeah, like

473
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Speaker 4: that's sort of a level of earth. And yeah, I mean,

474
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Speaker 4: I'm really I mean, I think about just the what

475
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 4: the NOAA was saying about this season's hurricane season and

476
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Speaker 4: how they're like, this could be one of the worst

477
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 4: ones we've seen in a long time in terms of

478
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 4: like the something like potentially twenty eight named storm systems

479
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 4: in this season, and that's a huge uptick. And the

480
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 4: other part that was really to your point about these

481
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Speaker 4: sort of like compounding natural disaster events, is like FEMA

482
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 4: and other disaster relief agencies can only handle so much

483
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 4: that if you have like storm after storm and then

484
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 4: God forbid another thing over in this part, supply chains

485
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 4: get strained, and we truly are looking at a thing

486
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 4: where like they'll be like there's there's literally so much

487
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 4: going on we can actually not really do anything right now.

488
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 4: We're spread so thin. And I think that's an other

489
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 4: real dimension of like sort of like the bureaucratic part

490
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 4: of it too that you I think people always presume

491
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 4: they're like, no, they're there, they'll be okay, they'll be

492
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 4: ready for this, where even for the experts who deal

493
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 4: with this or saying this, like we're trying to figure

494
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 4: out how we can even like simulate how we wrap

495
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 4: our heads around multiple storms hitting multiple places with you know,

496
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 4: the kinds of devastation that require our assistance. And yeah,

497
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 4: it is definitely we are going to begin really seeing

498
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Speaker 4: it in a way that we're going to be even

499
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Speaker 4: harder to deny. I mean, I think people who live

500
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Speaker 4: in these areas already see it, but yeah, we're we're

501
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 4: definitely the messages are there that we need to do

502
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Speaker 4: something about it, which is why liquid natural gas kind

503
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 4: of comes into it. And the whole impetus for this

504
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 4: is to talk about the expansion of liquid natural gas

505
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 4: or I guess we shouldn't even that's like euphae, that's

506
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Speaker 4: like a euphemistic term.

507
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Speaker 1: I mean it's natural. So I feel like we're good here,

508
00:25:54,920 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, natural, right, I do that shit worked

509
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: on me like when they first were like, well, guys,

510
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: we're like moving over to natural gas, and oh that shit.

511
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: Is natural that's nice.

512
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we see it on our buses and like

513
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 4: Los Angeles are like, oh, all, like either it's CNG

514
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 4: or LNG and you're like, don't worry, this is this

515
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 4: is cleaner now because it's operating that and you have

516
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 4: these like subtle messages around you that reinforce the sort

517
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 4: of like non threatening nature of this of natural gas.

518
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 4: But yeah, what what is it? What should we be

519
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 4: first of all, what should we be calling it so

520
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 4: we can use the right terminology when we sort of

521
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 4: think about when we get all these stories hitting us,

522
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 4: like what should we be calling like liquid natural gas

523
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 4: if you want to honor what it actually is.

524
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Speaker 2: It's something Halle and I talked about a lot as

525
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 2: we were writing this series, because everybody knows it is

526
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: natural gas. So like us all of a sudden just

527
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: using another term, people be like, what are you talking about?

528
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,239
Speaker 2: I'm already first of all, you're already trying to tell

529
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 2: me about liquified natural gas. Now you're now you're talking

530
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Speaker 2: about some other term I've never heard about, right, So,

531
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Speaker 2: I mean, we did call it natural gas in our

532
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 2: in our series because that's what we all know it as.

533
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Speaker 2: But I mean, a lot of experts are saying we

534
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 2: should be calling it methane gas or fracked gas because

535
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 2: we get it from fracking, which explains, yeah, fraggy guice.

536
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 2: But it's mostly it's mostly methane. Natural gas is mostly

537
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: made up of methane, which is like, in the short term,

538
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 2: way worse for our climate than carbon dioxide. So we've

539
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: all been like talking about, you know, carbon emissions in

540
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 2: this kind of thing, which is like really a serious issue,

541
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: we should be concerned about that, But methane in the

542
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: short term, it's like I had a scientist described it

543
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 2: to me as like carbon dioxide is like wrapping the

544
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,479
Speaker 2: world in a blanket. Methane is like wrapping the world

545
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: in eighty blankets. Like it's eighty times more potent at

546
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: heating up our climate in the near term.

547
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 4: That's right.

548
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: So when at least it's bad.

549
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Speaker 1: You know, I thought it was good like eighty percent,

550
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Speaker 1: Like if you had told me, guys, it's only eighty

551
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: percent is bad, I would have been like, damn, like

552
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: they lied to us, But eighty times worse is yeah?

553
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: So wild that I can't believe it.

554
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Speaker 4: What are sort of the benefits that have, Like when

555
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 4: you see a municipality be like, we're going to change

556
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 4: our entire bus suite to LNG or whatever, what what

557
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 4: for them? When they're like it's better. What's like the

558
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 4: very tenuous data or argument they're holding on to to

559
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 4: be able to say that out loud in public and

560
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 4: not get laughed at.

561
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, like very simply, methane does burn cleaner than

562
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 3: like regular gas fleean or something like that. But that's

563
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 3: only when it's burnt, like when it's actually being burnt

564
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 3: by those buses, that it is cleaner. But the whole

565
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 3: life cycle, you know, happened to get it up out

566
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 3: of the ground, all of the gas that goes out

567
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 3: transporting it, all of those different pieces. Yeah, you add

568
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 3: that all up, and it's not yet. The leaks, right,

569
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 3: it's not good.

570
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Speaker 4: You know.

571
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Speaker 1: We hear from climate scientists like that. There's been a

572
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Speaker 1: number of like reports where they're like, guys, it's going

573
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: hotter faster than we expected in our some of our

574
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: worst case projections. But I've not heard it connected to

575
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: liquid natural gas until your show that Like that's one

576
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: of the theories as to how we're we're getting there,

577
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: how it's getting so much hotter, so much faster. So

578
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: that's just I wanted to make sure that we made

579
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: that connection too right.

580
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 4: And what kind of kicked off the LNG boom Like,

581
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 4: is was it like a green washing thing where the

582
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 4: emphasis on oil created like a lane for like LNG

583
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 4: to move in the shadows because everyone's so focused on oil,

584
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 4: or was there like a pr moment where proponents were like, Okay,

585
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,239
Speaker 4: we can claim that this gas is different, let's do that.

586
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 4: What sort of like what what were the what were

587
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 4: the building blocks to kind of get us to this point?

588
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 4: Now we're like, y'all, we are absolutely destroying our planet

589
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 4: like one of the worst ways possible, and we're barely

590
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 4: even talking about that dimension of it.

591
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: I mean, what really kicked this off was like, don't

592
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 2: remember the fracking boom, Like it was really took off

593
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: like under Obama's time, where like the technology for fracking

594
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: got so good that all of a sudden, these oil

595
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: and gas companies like out in West Texas and New

596
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: Mexico and like the areas where there has been a

597
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: ton of fracking, like they got so good at it

598
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: that there was a surplus right of all this natural gas,

599
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: and they're like, okay, we can only sell so much

600
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Speaker 2: of it domestically. Where are we going to sell all

601
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 2: this stuff? And we went at that time like there

602
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: were the first correct me if I'm wrong on this alley,

603
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: but I think the first LNG terminal on the on

604
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: the Gulf coast was for bringing it was for importing

605
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 2: LNG because at that point we didn't have that much.

606
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: And then it goes, you know, in a few years,

607
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: and went from that import terminal becoming an export terminal,

608
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: and then all of these plans for all of these

609
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: this rollout of the like this huge expansion of LNG

610
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: export terminals because we just have that much natural gas

611
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: that you know, the industry is like, well, let's sell it,

612
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: let's lipify it, ship it everywhere else and sell it overseas.

613
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we know that natural gas well hm hmm.

614
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 3: I was about to saying, no, natural gas is cleaner

615
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 3: than coal, but you know, again that's like a big

616
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 3: question mark. Not necessarily, but that was at least the

617
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 3: argument that was grasped by the pr agencies, by the

618
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 3: oil and gas industries that they promoted that gas is cleaner. Right,

619
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 3: gas is the cleanest fossil fuel, And so when you

620
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 3: make people think that, they're like, oh, aren't we already

621
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 3: doing the cleanest that we can do?

622
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Speaker 4: You know, right? Right? And would I be correct in

623
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 4: assuming that when Republicans and some Democrats tout the benefits

624
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 4: of LNG expansion, like new jobs, increased revenues for the community,

625
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 4: the opposite is happening? Is that is that? Is that correct?

626
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 4: I mean, like it sounds like locals are not benefiting

627
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 4: and the environment is absolutely taking an absolute care in

628
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 4: the teeth because of it. But I don't know, maybe

629
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 4: there's maybe these people that live in these areas are

630
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 4: shareholders because those people seem to be getting value. So

631
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 4: maybe the a lot of the shareholders for these companies

632
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 4: live along in the Golf coast or this is all

633
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 4: just pr spin.

634
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: That's a really good question. I think like they're for

635
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: sure supporters on the ground in these communities because there

636
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: are some jobs the whole Like you know, how many

637
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: jobs are construction jobs so around just during the construction,

638
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: and then how many are permanent and how many jobs

639
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: are actually in are the people in the community getting

640
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: those jobs? Like all of that it gets a little

641
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 2: more nebulous of like how many jobs are really how

642
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: many good jobs are really? You know, is are these

643
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: new export terminals providing? But like on the other side

644
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: of it, for sure, the impacts of the environment are crazy.

645
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: I mean the amount of pollution that these communities are

646
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: having to live with are pretty extreme. So like, yes,

647
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: there are some benefits, but to they outweigh the other

648
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: and then at right, yeah, and then a lot of

649
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: these companies are getting massive tax breaks as well, so

650
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: how much money is coming to these communities. So there

651
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 2: are a lot of questions like that.

652
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 4: But the share but the shareholders, right, they are winning.

653
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 4: The shareholders are winning.

654
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: Shareholders are doing gang bus Okay, great.

655
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Speaker 1: Thank god, Okay, I was worried. I told you Jack,

656
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: they seem to stay winning. It turns out shareholders yeah, yeah,

657
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: and yeah, I I like there there's a recent I

658
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: forget which episode it was, but just talking talking about

659
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Speaker 1: how as long as it remains business as usual, they're

660
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Speaker 1: going to keep finding ways to do this. Like the

661
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: natural gas starts as this like buzz term that's like

662
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: this is the future of energy and like it's cleaner

663
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Speaker 1: and it's a bridge fuel to like a cleaner tomorrow

664
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Speaker 1: and then it becomes enscounced and like, you know, the

665
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Speaker 1: second that something is making money, it becomes more powerful.

666
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: And it brings me back to this, Like I remember

667
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: an article in the Wall Street Journal that was talking

668
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: about how DEI and like environmental justice initiatives like were

669
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: like they were like, you know, these once had momentum,

670
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: but now they're a bad word on Wall Street because

671
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: they've been like determined to be less profitable. And it

672
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: just it feels like the way the system is set up,

673
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Speaker 1: like you really can't use the logic the internal mechanisms

674
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Speaker 1: of like hypercapitalism to fix this. It feels like it

675
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: has to take into account that they are going to

676
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Speaker 1: find a way to keep things the way they're going

677
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: for as long as possible, Like they're going to go

678
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Speaker 1: down kicking and screaming.

679
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Speaker 4: But I don't know what.

680
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Speaker 1: Like does that does that seem true to you? Do

681
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Speaker 1: you like, you guys do a good job of highlighting

682
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: things that make you hopeful? Are there examples that kind

683
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,479
Speaker 1: of contradict that of what where people you know, where

684
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: BP is like investing in clean energy in the future

685
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: or something, you know, like what just how do you

686
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: guys think about that.

687
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Speaker 3: Big question, Jack, I know, like the role.

688
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like specifically the ability of like entrenched power

689
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: to ever be like part of the solution.

690
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 3: I feel like. And Carly, I'm so curious about what

691
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 3: you think here too, Like you know, I don't I'm

692
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 3: not sure if you guys are familiar or if your

693
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 3: listeners are familiar with the IPCC report. It's a giant

694
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Speaker 3: international report that's basically a collection of all of the

695
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Speaker 3: latest and greatest climate science that's summarized by you know,

696
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Speaker 3: all the big climate scientists out there working together on it.

697
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 3: And when you look at those projections, they always have

698
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: this one option that's business as usual. And so that's

699
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Speaker 3: of like, we kept doing the same thing that we're

700
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Speaker 3: still doing, still rule our society the same way that

701
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Speaker 3: if you look at those projections. Obviously this is audience.

702
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 3: So I have to explain my hand gesture here. The graph,

703
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 3: the temperature graph just keeps going up. It's just an

704
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 3: exponential graph to the top where our planet just kind

705
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 3: of burns up. And I think that that says that

706
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Speaker 3: we should not continue business as usual. We need to

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Speaker 3: find other ways to do our business.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so your anti planet burning up Okay, interesting, that's Europe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not going to come in with the counterpoint to that,

710
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: but but I am going to bring in the hope

711
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 2: that I think you are looking for, Jack, which is

712
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: like renewables are also doing gangbusters, and like the solar

713
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 2: installations and wind capacity that we're adding every year is

714
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Speaker 2: like we're doing better than expected. And so like renewables

715
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 2: are taking off, they're getting everybody knows, they're also getting cheaper.

716
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Speaker 2: They're becoming the cheaper option. And so yes, entrenched power,

717
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: an entrenched industry is really hard to like dislodge from

718
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 2: their place of power. Of course they want to keep

719
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 2: doing business as usual. But when the market keeps saying, yeah,

720
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Speaker 2: but this is so much cheaper and better for the planet,

721
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: then there's only so long you can you can fight that,

722
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: So right, I mean that's really hopeful. It's just how

723
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Speaker 2: much renewable energy is taking off around the world.

724
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Speaker 3: Yeah, just to bash capitalism a little bit more though there.

725
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 4: And then and then right after that, Carly with a counterpoint.

726
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Speaker 3: Last year, I was talking to this like retired like

727
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 3: longtime environmental lawyer, and he I don't know if I's

728
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 3: have heard of the rights of nature movement, it's basically

729
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 3: this like push by different indigenous groups to be able

730
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Speaker 3: to steward these different pieces of nature and give them

731
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Speaker 3: their own rights, almost as a person, like a river

732
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 3: could be have the same protective rights as a person.

733
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Speaker 3: And that's actually moving forward. In South American countries, that's

734
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Speaker 3: moving forward. It's actually been ingrained and a Latin American

735
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 3: country's constitution, and it's moving forward in places like Europe,

736
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: areas that are more socialist. That moves forward. And when

737
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 3: I was asking him, like, is there any hope can

738
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Speaker 3: we get that done here in the US, He's like,

739
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 3: I mean we could, but capitalism.

740
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like how many guillotines you got? Counterpoint, that's ridiculous.

741
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: The only thing that should have the rights of people

742
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: is corporate.

743
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Speaker 2: Corporations capitalism yea burnt Yeah, yeah.

744
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Speaker 4: Sorry, I could tell you. Yeah.

745
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: No, I mean there there was successful legislation in Where

746
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: was it? It was in a US state? I want

747
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: to say Minnesota maybe, but where like a group of

748
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: kids basically and keep it. I don't know enough to

749
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Speaker 1: finish this sentence.

750
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Speaker 4: Minnesota Timberwolves or something. I was thinking of.

751
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Speaker 1: The Minnesota Timberwolves had a good run in the NBA Playoffs.

752
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Yeah, you mean the kids lawsuit, like the.

753
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Speaker 4: Yes, that's the one I was thinking of.

754
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, seeing companies for our future.

755
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: Yeah yes, yeah, yeah, a question like oh, all right,

756
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: all right, let's uh, let's take a quick break and

757
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 1: we will be right back. And we're back, and time

758
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: to discuss one of my favorite ridge farms, Pep Ridge Farm,

759
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: makers of goldfish, who recently unveiled a new flavor, spicy

760
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: Dill Pickle, which isn't the first time that they've released

761
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: a different flavor, but it does seem they got old Bay,

762
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Speaker 1: they got old Bay, they got flavor blasted goldfish. Flavor

763
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: blasted goldfish are fucking incredible. I got it's too much.

764
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Speaker 4: It's a hat on top of a hat for me,

765
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Speaker 4: No sore.

766
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Speaker 7: The ones that are like that have like a powder

767
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 7: on them right now, Yeah, they have like dorito dust.

768
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Speaker 7: I don't want that.

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Speaker 4: That's why the originals to begin with, they were they

770
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Speaker 4: weren't a finger altering substance. Yeah, yeah, no, the originals

771
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Speaker 4: are probably the best.

772
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Speaker 1: But of the additional varieties, I do think flavor blasted original,

773
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Speaker 1: you know, like you blast it with the original flavor,

774
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: you doubled down on what was working in the first place.

775
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: That is what I'm talking about. None of this fucking

776
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: parmesan stuff.

777
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 4: Yes, that's gross.

778
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Speaker 1: I better stop here before I start saying stuff about

779
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: Italian people that I'm gonna regret. But Jesus, let's just

780
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: say I did say parmesan in a weird way there.

781
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 4: That sounded more hateful than it. Okay, wow, okay.

782
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: Parmijeon spit on the ground.

783
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Speaker 4: I only like the crack ship in the green can

784
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 4: the fake stuff?

785
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 7: Yeah? Give me that American cheese.

786
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: You don't actually put American cheese on my pasta When

787
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm at an Italian restaurant.

788
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 9: Individuals, I would like cheese, not that ship. Though I

789
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 9: have my own what you call them bread. You please

790
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 9: take this plastic sleeve. I don't eat any singles.

791
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: That gros.

792
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Speaker 4: That's how we had lasagna. I remember at my school

793
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 4: cafeteria it was all American cheese.

794
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 7: Yuh that grows. American cheese is objectively the worst of

795
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 7: all the cheeses you were alive.

796
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: Is incredible, like what we ate growing up, It's unbelievable.

797
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 4: Do you aw expensive American cheeses? Though?

798
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 7: Is like the price does not make four for.

799
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Speaker 1: Like a thirty pack, but each pack is individually each

800
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: piece is individually wrapped, so it doesn't it doesn't go bad.

801
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 4: Like there was like yeah, like one of those little

802
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 4: half sacks was like on par with buy like legit

803
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 4: just cheddar cheese, And I was like, what what the

804
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 4: fuck are they trying to do? Like why are you

805
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 4: charging this much for just water and oil in the

806
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 4: shape of a cheese.

807
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: Whatever oil is, it has to be made in a machine,

808
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 1: has to be drilled out of the earth miles.

809
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 4: It's made with crude petroleum.

810
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: That American cheese point like doesn't make sense from a

811
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: physics perspective.

812
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:32,439
Speaker 4: American cheese is made with jet fuel, crude oil, and bullets.

813
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: But anyways, Goldfish taking a big swing with a spicy

814
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: dill pickle. There is a like market research firm somewhere

815
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: that has been like, guys pickles the wave of the

816
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: future because like that, the city of la is covered

817
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: in billboards for like pickle companies and like the pickles

818
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: that are coming out, and now Goldfish is like getting

819
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: in on the pick craze. That was congratulations to them.

820
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, about eight years ago there were like people around

821
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 4: here like dude, I'm starting to make pickles, and I'm like, okay, sure,

822
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 4: like thanks whatever.

823
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 7: I make pickles. Whenever I bought buy a jar of pickles,

824
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,959
Speaker 7: I eat the pickles. There's a lot of pickle juice

825
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 7: left over. And then I buy a cucumber and I

826
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 7: wow it up and put it in the pickle juice.

827
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 7: Let it sit, let it, you know, fester for a bit,

828
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 7: and another jar pickles.

829
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they're all in the cookbooks.

830
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 5: Nice.

831
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 4: That nice, Just you can you really do that? Though

832
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 4: I legitimately do that.

833
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: That is the most sustainable ship I've ever heard of.

834
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Speaker 7: Because it feels wasteful to dump out all that pickle juice.

835
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Speaker 4: That's a lot of pickle juice, or use it as

836
00:43:52,640 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 4: brining liquid. Yeah, exactly like chicken thighs and like really

837
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 4: grind that ship in pickle juice, because you know, that's

838
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 4: what they say about. Like the rumor was like a

839
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 4: Chick fil a or whatever that you nkle brine or whatever.

840
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 4: But I think in general, like it's a good salted

841
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 4: brinding liquid.

842
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: It was that.

843
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 4: Or I would just buy a bottle of whiskey and

844
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 4: just do a bunch of picklebacks.

845
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 7: That too, Oh Okay, wait, wait you say it.

846
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 4: You're in recovery and you never were drinking picklebacks. No,

847
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 4: drinking tequila with tabasco sauce. That was my like, oh

848
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 4: I don't like this, but I can't stop drinking casco

849
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 4: tabila casco.

850
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 5: Wow.

851
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 7: No, you take a shot of whiskey and then you

852
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 7: chase iti with pickle juice.

853
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 4: Goddamn. And I was drinking. I was hooked because the

854
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 4: way it neutralized that alcohol flavor in your mouth and

855
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 4: gave you a little bit of that like briny like ah,

856
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 4: I thought it was a health food for a while. Yeah,

857
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 4: I was like, it's vegetable water. Yeah, this is basically

858
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 4: what they used to drink, and lethal amounts of salt.

859
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 4: I'm drinking.

860
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 7: But okay, I you know vinegar, which I'm sure is

861
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 7: the main ingredient in pickle juice. Yeah, it's it helps

862
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 7: with your digestion. It's good for you.

863
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there, so there. Yeah, I just dumped my

864
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: leftover pickle juice and my gas tank and Jesus does

865
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: not go well that smell. Yeah that's not bad?

866
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 4: All right.

867
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Speaker 1: So you know, some theories have it the Pepperidge farm

868
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: is looking to distract from the fact that they recently

869
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: got sued for allegedly misleading customers with claims that goldfish

870
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: crackers contain no artificial flavors or preservatives. It's wild because

871
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: that phrase artificial flavors was invented to be so broad

872
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: as to resist like definition at all. Right, Like they

873
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, we're gonna the food industry is going

874
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: to create this as a thing. Nobody knows what an

875
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: artificial flavor is, but we can pretend like the food

876
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: is somehow more pure than other foods by just claiming this.

877
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: And they even got caught using that, Like why, I

878
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: mean this could by no definition? Are these not artificial flavors?

879
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 4: I am so fucking stupid that you saying that just

880
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 4: fucked up my entire worldview. It's crazy out here being like, oh,

881
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 4: no artificial flavors, Yeah, except for industry is straight up

882
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 4: some fucking blacking combo that doesn't exist in nature and

883
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 4: would have to certainly be artificial. I like, but they

884
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 4: said no artificial flavors, but they said yeah, wow, wow,

885
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 4: wow wow.

886
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: Which brings us to our random aside. Apparently, the origin

887
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: of goldfish crackers. They were originally created by a with

888
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: a machine built by a World War Two Nazi code

889
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: breaker who was instrumental in convincing Hitler that the Allies

890
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: were set to land in Kala, not Normandy. Wow, so

891
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: we have goldfit and that so retired from being a

892
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: Nazi after World War Two, and like somebody was traveling

893
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: around and was like this guy makes cool fish shape

894
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 1: him cranked crackers, and they like sold it to Pepperidge

895
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: Farm and that's how we have the goldfish cracker today.

896
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: But that person basically was so bad at their job

897
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: as a code breaker that they allowed the Allies to

898
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: win the war.

899
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 4: Wait he no, no, no, he's a Nazi coach. He was

900
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 4: breaking Nazi code he was breaking That.

901
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 7: Was my question. Was he a Nazi?

902
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 9: No?

903
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 7: No, he was breaking Nazi code breaker?

904
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 4: Who is He's good guy, He's Jack. If I can't

905
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 4: I can't in one go, I can't learn that artificial

906
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 4: flavors is bullshit and I'm eating NTS goldfish crackers, man,

907
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 4: Like that would have been such a blow to my

908
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 4: entire identity.

909
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 7: Oh wow, Okay, yeah, okay, so he on purpose wrong,

910
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 7: like convinced Hler the wrong thing. So he was like

911
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 7: fucking undercover.

912
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: Good for him. Yeah, I'm back on board. Oh I

913
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: gotta go fish so many bags of goldfish crackers out

914
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: of my garbage.

915
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 4: Not eating this fucking third Reich bullshit.

916
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 7: Okay.

917
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: So anyways, though it ties into D Day, yeah, you know,

918
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: shout out to that. I also just think it's funny

919
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: that like that was like an invention goldfish shaped crackers.

920
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 1: They were like, you hear about this guy over in Germany.

921
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: Crackers are shaped like little fucking goldfish. Like they had

922
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: to hire him to Like it feels like it should

923
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: be easy.

924
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 7: But well it makes you wonder about like who invented

925
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 7: the dinosaur shaped chicken nuggets?

926
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 4: Right? And I don't want there, I don't want.

927
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 7: It'll break you, you can't.

928
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 4: It was Oppenheimer. I'm like, no ah, goddamn it.

929
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 5: I mean these I.

930
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 4: Just want to resist saying that this is the bomb,

931
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 4: but it's damn close, damn close. Yeah, who invented dino nuggets?

932
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 4: Because those aren't. That's also I feel like we do

933
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 4: need to know the history of the dino nugget there.

934
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 7: I haven't had them, you know, since I was a kid.

935
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 7: But they're delicious, yeah, probably, and probably terrible for you.

936
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 7: But then that's fine, and that's.

937
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 4: Fine, and that's fine pissed.

938
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 7: So who am I?

939
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 4: I'm watching it down with a forty Shrek piss Okay,

940
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 4: that's the of my words. Oh shit, amazing. Should we

941
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 4: do one more? We got we got a couple kind

942
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 4: of media ones. All right, Uh, did you guys read

943
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 4: the three M story that I remember it was getting

944
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 4: teased out last week or the week? Yeah, f three

945
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 4: ms got forever chemicals problem.

946
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: It's bad, man, it is so I so I finally

947
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: read the three M story.

948
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 4: We'll link off to it in the footnotes.

949
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: It's a collabo between Pro Publica and The New Yorker.

950
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: I've always resented three AM a little bit for being

951
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: the company that actually invented post it notes and not

952
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: Romeo Michelle, you know, but the business press like also

953
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: trained me to like the business press like has a

954
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: crush on three AM. They've always been like, like they

955
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: love to tell the story of like how they came

956
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: up with the post it note, Like they like came

957
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: up with this glue that was two weak to be

958
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: effective for anything, but then they put it on the

959
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 1: post it and realized it could be. Like they there's

960
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: so many like Gladwell Light writers who like love to

961
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: tell the story of how it Riam is this little

962
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: place for like ingenious little tinkerers, and you know, so

963
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: they started with I think their first invention was like

964
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: masking tape. But then they like, now they make a

965
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: bunch of the different kinds of bandages and sponges and

966
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: all sorts of shit. Scotch Guard the thing that like

967
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 1: makes various papers and packages waterproof. And that's the one

968
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: that got us in trouble because so one of their

969
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: scientists in the late nineties was given a weird assignment,

970
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: very foreboding, where they're like.

971
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 5: Hey, weird.

972
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 1: They take this broad cross section of Red Cross blood

973
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: donations and start looking for our chemicals in these blood donations.

974
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 1: And she was like okay, and she found she found

975
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: these pfos, the things that are in Scotch guards, in

976
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: every single sample, every single way.

977
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 5: God.

978
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: And so they were like, well, this must be a

979
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: mistake kept because they were like, okay, well here take

980
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 1: this blood sample. She was like, yeah, it's in there too,

981
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: and they were like, well, that's my pet horse, so

982
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 1: you must be lying. And then they realized, oh no,

983
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: it's like getting into your pet horse's bloodstream through like

984
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 1: fish meal because like it's so pervasive in all water,

985
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 1: like it's in all the fish, it's in everywhere, it's

986
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: fucking everywhere. They realized like that all their readings were

987
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: accurate when they finally like found a blood sample of

988
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: like people who died before the invention of these chemicals

989
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,240
Speaker 1: these pfos and found and find that was the first

990
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: sample that they tested that didn't have these pfos in it.

991
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: And it's like gotten more and more over time because

992
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: it accumulates, like our body has no way to get

993
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: rid of it, and it just gets more and more.

994
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: So like at first they were like, well, this is

995
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: no problem though, because even though the chemicals are in

996
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: our bloodstream, like they're not that harmful, but they accumulate

997
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: and get more and more, so we actually don't know

998
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. And now some people are speculating

999
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 1: that it has it's like the cause of some types

1000
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: of cancer, and it's the cause of lowering like sperm

1001
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: count and lowering reproductive rates around the globe. And it's

1002
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: just a again we'll likek off to it. It's a

1003
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: must read, but it's really you know, we present a

1004
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: lot of reasons on this show that unregulated hypercapitalism doesn't

1005
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: seem to work as the organizing principle for all of

1006
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 1: human civilization, all of humanity. But this is like maybe

1007
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: the biggest and scariest that I've ever encountered.

1008
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 4: Like, we have.

1009
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: These companies steering the ship who have nothing but short

1010
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: term profit in mind, and they will poison us all

1011
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: to death if the poison is slow enough that they

1012
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: can get enough of our money before we die. Like

1013
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: that's essentially Like so she discovered this in like the

1014
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: nineties and immediately started getting like frozen out by her

1015
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: like co workers. She was asked to present the findings

1016
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: to the CEO of the company. The CEO, like all

1017
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: all of the head lead executives, like higher up executives,

1018
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: started attacking her and being like who told you to

1019
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: do this? And like what what is your motivation for?

1020
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 1: Like doing this research that like tears down the amazing

1021
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 1: inventions that people at this company have done. And while

1022
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: they were doing that, the CEO fell asleep and started

1023
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: drooling on his dress shirt like in that meeting, and

1024
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 1: then she got like reassigned away from that and then

1025
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: like this article, as this article uncovers like they had

1026
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: known about it, for like twenty years before and like

1027
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: there there were various executives who were like, this is

1028
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,919
Speaker 1: really bad, but they basically like laundered the findings through

1029
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: her because they knew it was going to be bad

1030
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: for whoever's career like was associated with it. Jesus, it's

1031
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 1: this fucking bonkers thing. But it doesn't like it just

1032
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: feels like how every single corporation that you read about

1033
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: like operates they you know, it's just they are hostile

1034
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: to whatever is going to prove counter profitable. You know,

1035
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: if it's going to slow down profits, it's going to

1036
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: be wildly unpopular.

1037
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 7: Okay, first of all, sounds like we need a sequel

1038
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 7: to Aaron Brockovic.

1039
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I mean I think Darkwater is somehow related

1040
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: to these chemists.

1041
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 7: Dark Darkwater is the all male reboot of Aaron Brockovich.

1042
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 4: Aaron Brockovich.

1043
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 7: I don't know if anyone saw that movie, but I

1044
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 7: did in theaters. Brag and there you go. I forget

1045
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 7: what company. It's not three a M. It was a

1046
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 7: different company that Mark Ruffalo's character was like learning that

1047
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 7: like all this like lun or something is in drinking water, Yeah, DuPont, Yes, yeah,

1048
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 7: and a bunch of people were being poisoned by their

1049
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 7: drinking water in a certain region, and so I guess

1050
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 7: we just need another movie to complete.

1051
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what it takes. Like did you see the

1052
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 4: movie about three of It's like that pro public article

1053
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 4: came out seventeen years.

1054
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 6: Ago, right, and you're like, oh no, yeah, but the

1055
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 6: movie's great. Anya Taylor Joy is fantastic as the human

1056
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 6: manifestation of one of those p Foss.

1057
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 4: Chemicals Powerhouse Performance, Powerhouse Performance.

1058
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: It is wild, Like how like there was a part

1059
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: of me like I had been incepted with goodwill towards

1060
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: this company by like articles that were just yeah, we're

1061
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: just like and we think your stuff ingenuity works, and

1062
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: like yeah, we're just like kind of the people behind

1063
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: the people. And like once you read about them, you

1064
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: start looking around you see like, oh three M is

1065
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: like their labels on everything. And for me that was

1066
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: like a fun discovery back back in you know, ten

1067
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: years ago, it's like, oh this here's a company out

1068
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: of like the humble, you know, state of Minnesota who's

1069
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: secretly like doing all this good work. And now it's

1070
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: like fucking terrify. It's like the end of usual suspects

1071
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: where it's like three m is everywhere and they don't

1072
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: give a fuck about your health at all, and even

1073
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: like some of the stuff, like now that they've been sued,

1074
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: they have like a ten billion dollar settlement that people

1075
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: are saying it is just the tip of the iceberg,

1076
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: but they are like even the they've like made a

1077
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: big show about like, you know, we're evolving with the

1078
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: new scientific findings. That was before this report came out,

1079
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: proving that they like had had the findings before any

1080
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: of us, and like now even now like they're wording

1081
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: around like what they're actually agreeing to do, it's still

1082
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: like very hedgy and like we're gonna we are going

1083
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: to get rid of these things as long as we

1084
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: can find a profitable replacement.

1085
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 4: Too, you know, like.

1086
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah that literally one of the things that

1087
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Speaker 1: they started replacing the p fos with was like pfas

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Speaker 1: and like or pfbs and that scientist who is now

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Speaker 1: you know, a whistleblower and like the main source for

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Speaker 1: this report was like and I knew at that time,

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Speaker 1: like those are also going to be bad and accumulating

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Speaker 1: in people's bloods through So it's just a crazy story

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Speaker 1: but shout out to pro Publica. They do really great work.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Damn, it was wild too, because I remember they

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Speaker 4: like a few years ago, like right before the pandemic,

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Speaker 4: they were trying to get legislation through that three m

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Speaker 4: was fighting hard about designating these chemicals as like fucked up,

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Speaker 4: and they were successful at defeating that legislation. And now

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Speaker 4: we're like, yeah, because it's so fucking bad. Cool cool,

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Speaker 4: all right, Yeah, I mean yeah, so need a new

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Speaker 4: system anyway, That's what I'm saying. Just take eat a

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Speaker 4: handful of goldfish, wash it down some Shrek piss.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I might just have to get out there and like

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Speaker 4: help people with the misinformation. Like this is the only

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Speaker 4: way we're gonna get through folks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, drink your Shrek piss, eat your gold fish,

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Speaker 1: dr fish, you take down three.

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Speaker 4: All right, that's gonna do it.

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Speaker 1: For this week's weekly Zeitgeist, Please like and review the

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Speaker 1: show if you like.

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Speaker 4: The show means the world to Miles.

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Speaker 1: He he needs your validation.

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Speaker 5: Folks.

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Speaker 4: I hope you're having a great weekend.

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Speaker 1: And I will talk to you Monday.

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Speaker 4: Bye.

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Speaker 1: Nothing sp