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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's you know.

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<v Speaker 2>What's sitting right next to me is the lube that

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<v Speaker 2>you got me for my birthday?

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<v Speaker 1>Ah? Did you use it? No, she's Sheen.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm me, No me not my name?

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<v Speaker 1>Yo?

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to Like a Virgin, the show where we give

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<v Speaker 3>yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Fran Torato, I'm Rose

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<v Speaker 3>Daumu and I heard that you went to the theater

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<v Speaker 3>this weekend?

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<v Speaker 1>Rose? Did you not the movie theater?

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<v Speaker 2>I went to the movie theater last Thursday. Last Thursday,

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<v Speaker 2>I saw Talk to Me on Thursday, which is oh,

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<v Speaker 2>a twenty four horror film. It's sort of taking the

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<v Speaker 2>world by storm. People are saying it's, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>scariest movie of the year, and they haven't been scared

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<v Speaker 2>so much since Hereditary, and I'm here to say that

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<v Speaker 2>they're carrying a bit okay, because it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 2>good movie. I have a lot of fun, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was not that scary and nothing about it is as

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<v Speaker 2>disturbing as Hereditary was. But it is a scary movie.

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<v Speaker 2>So I will I'll give you, like a a little

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<v Speaker 2>brief synopsis.

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<v Speaker 3>Comparing something to Hereditary really is setting yourself up for failure, honestly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So Talk to Me is an Australian horror movie. It's

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<v Speaker 2>an A twenty four movie. It's about this girl, this

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<v Speaker 2>high school girl who's you know, still sort of grieving

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<v Speaker 2>the loss of her mother. And she goes to a

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<v Speaker 2>party and there's a new party game that all the

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<v Speaker 2>kids are playing in which they take the hand of

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<v Speaker 2>a psychic that has been cast in clay and they

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<v Speaker 2>put their hand in it and they talk to me

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<v Speaker 2>and then they are possessed by a spirit and they

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<v Speaker 2>do this for ninety seconds to get a sort of

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<v Speaker 2>rush of euphoria like a drug. If yes, like a drug.

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<v Speaker 2>It's much like when I was in middle school and

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<v Speaker 2>used to choke yourself and make yourself pass out to

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<v Speaker 2>like get high, and then everyone did that for three weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think some people got suspended because of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But so so, the whole thing is that if you

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<v Speaker 2>go for longer than ninety seconds, then the ghosts don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to leave. So it's very ooky, spooky, and of

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<v Speaker 2>course things go awry and lots of shenanigans happen. And

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<v Speaker 2>what I will say is it's a very clever premise

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<v Speaker 2>for a horror movie. There are some good little scares.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, some parts of it were genuinely like kind

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<v Speaker 2>of disturbing. I thought the acting was really good. It

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<v Speaker 2>was funny, it was fun It was a good movie

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<v Speaker 2>theater experience. That being said, I don't think I can

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<v Speaker 2>take another horror movie that is a meditation on grief,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Like I get like horror movies, especially when

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<v Speaker 2>you're brushing up against you know, like ghosts or spirits

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<v Speaker 2>like of like, it makes a lot of sense to

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<v Speaker 2>use characters who are dealing with grief, and this and

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<v Speaker 2>the grief in this film like really dry the action

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<v Speaker 2>of the movie because this girl is sort of tricked

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<v Speaker 2>into believing she's talking to the spirit of her dead mother,

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<v Speaker 2>and that causes a lot of the bad things in

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<v Speaker 2>the film to happen. But I don't know, filmmakers, pick

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<v Speaker 2>something else to meditate on in your horror movies that's

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<v Speaker 2>not grief. The friend who I saw this movie with,

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<v Speaker 2>who I think listens to this podcast, he will remember

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<v Speaker 2>that the last horror movie we saw together before this

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<v Speaker 2>movie was also a meditation on grief, which one was

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<v Speaker 2>that The Boogeyman. It was also about a family where

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<v Speaker 2>the mom was dead, and you know, they were like

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with the fallout from it. So it's like, come,

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<v Speaker 2>I know that I get it, and I know that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of horror media is driven by death and

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<v Speaker 2>people dealing with death and grief. But I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>can you come up with something else?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I think, But I did really like I did really

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<v Speaker 2>like it. I just, you know, don't think it was amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was very fun and there was some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like trans mask non binary character in it, which way,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a good it's a good year for that. Between

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<v Speaker 2>this movie and Evil Dead Rise, which did you were

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<v Speaker 2>you awake when we watched Evil Dead Rise?

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<v Speaker 3>On that was the only movie that I got all

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<v Speaker 3>the way through. Wow, the other one, I'm so depressed

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<v Speaker 3>by you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you. You do have a tendency too.

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<v Speaker 2>In any group setting of more than I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>three people watching a movie, you're making it through maybe

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<v Speaker 2>the first act.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe maybe.

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<v Speaker 3>But Evil Dead Rise I made it through, and I

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<v Speaker 3>was constantly wondering about that non binary character. And well,

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<v Speaker 3>Evil Dead Rise is also only an hour and a

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<v Speaker 3>half long, as was this movie, which I read that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really happy that the ninety minute horror movie is

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<v Speaker 3>back in vogue, because you know that, I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>any movie should be longer than ninety minutes. Even though

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<v Speaker 3>I loved Oppenheimer and loved that it was three hours

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<v Speaker 3>long and d Avatar, I still would have taken a

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<v Speaker 3>ninety minute cut of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Same, wait, is to you like if Talk to Me

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<v Speaker 3>isn't like the horror movie of the year, Is there

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<v Speaker 3>anything you've seen that would be?

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<v Speaker 2>I think Evil Dead Rise was the horror movie of

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<v Speaker 2>my year so far, just because it was.

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<v Speaker 3>I had so much fun watching it. I'm looking to

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<v Speaker 3>see if there's anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess.

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<v Speaker 3>Scream also came out this year. Technically, I'm looking to

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<v Speaker 3>see if there's.

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<v Speaker 1>Any dream was not the horror movie of the year,

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<v Speaker 1>It was not.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to see if there's anything that we're anticipating

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<v Speaker 3>later this year that would potentially be it, But.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I am currently watching a horror series that I can't

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<v Speaker 2>talk about, but it is really good and it's scratching

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<v Speaker 2>that itch. And Okay, are you feeling the This probably

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<v Speaker 2>is not something that's happening in real life and is

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<v Speaker 2>truly more about my TikTok algorithm, but are you feeling

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<v Speaker 2>it all the very early transition into fall and by extension,

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<v Speaker 2>spooky season, because I've been getting served a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>it's spooky season is coming content like as soon as

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<v Speaker 2>it was August first. That's not my algorithm, which is hilarious.

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<v Speaker 2>But I will say across the board. Ever since you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we got halfway through July, people are like, summer is over.

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<v Speaker 2>Summer is over, which is.

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<v Speaker 3>Slander Okay, like it stays hot through September. We have

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<v Speaker 3>like the October yeah, and we have like the the

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<v Speaker 3>equinox or whatever, it's the equinox when the equinox.

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<v Speaker 2>Also today in New York it's it is rainy and

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<v Speaker 2>a little a little chilly outside.

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<v Speaker 1>I liked that though, No, me too. I absolutely love that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I like.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's honestly why I woke up so early.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like the rain was coming down, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>my body has like rain rainfold.

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<v Speaker 2>I though I this weekend because this was so much

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<v Speaker 2>in my TikTok algorithm, and also I was hibernating this

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<v Speaker 2>weekend and still am following getting laser hair removal last

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<v Speaker 2>week right in.

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<v Speaker 1>My hermit era.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that that led to this sort of desire

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<v Speaker 2>to becomey and cozy and watching potentially spooky movies. Although

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<v Speaker 2>I literally found myself googling good spooky movies to watch

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<v Speaker 2>in August, which is like shy ah, there is some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of brain rot that I'm like, think there's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be some kind of perfect answer to that.

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<v Speaker 1>I slipped away like a bottle of blood. That's really good.

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<v Speaker 2>I did end up watching The Wizard of Oz on

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday before me, not because spooky, but because I follow

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<v Speaker 2>this TikTok creator who is a Wizard of Oz collector,

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<v Speaker 2>oh and only content about the Wizard of Oz and

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<v Speaker 2>Wizard of Oz adjacent media like Wicked and you like

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<v Speaker 2>the creator. Oh, I love her. I'm obsessed with her.

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<v Speaker 2>I watch every single TikTok she posts. Her name is

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<v Speaker 2>the oz vlog and I love her content and I

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<v Speaker 2>watch all of it. And I it did lead me

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<v Speaker 2>to buy a McDonald's toy from the nineties of a

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<v Speaker 2>Madame Alexander Wicked Witch of the West doll.

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<v Speaker 1>And how much was that McDonald's toy?

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<v Speaker 3>It was ten dollars A steal dolls be on eBay

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<v Speaker 3>for cheat by the way, I honestly it's it's a

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<v Speaker 3>worthwhile hobby.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you collected anything recently? No, just I have two.

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<v Speaker 1>I have two dolls.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I guess I have some Brats dolls as well,

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<v Speaker 3>so I technically have foury too.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, I have to tell you and the Virgins. I

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<v Speaker 2>recently acquired a toy that I have talked about on

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast, and it was the Crone, the crones hollow

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<v Speaker 2>action figure that infamously we know we talked about. I

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<v Speaker 2>when I received it for Hanka one year, took it

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<v Speaker 2>out of the box and put it back in the box,

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<v Speaker 2>taped it shut, wrapped it so I could open it again.

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<v Speaker 2>I bought one on eBay and now she is. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a little disappointing because like the whole selling point of

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<v Speaker 2>the action figures that you're supposed to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>pull a tendril of hair in the back of her

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<v Speaker 2>head and snake eyes would pop out, which like, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I do when I'm hanging out with a sexy

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<v Speaker 2>am I right, but I think the toy is like

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<v Speaker 2>a little too old for that function to work that well. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but she does look great on my mantle, and I think, actually,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that's gonna be somewhat of the thematic link of

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<v Speaker 2>my collection is like getting like witchy toys because I

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<v Speaker 2>have her. I have a Willow action figure from Buffy, right,

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<v Speaker 2>then I have my little Mermaid dolls, mantle Mermaid dolls

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<v Speaker 2>and toys. But yeah, I did find myself on eBay

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<v Speaker 2>this weekend looking up like vintage Halloween decorations and also

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<v Speaker 2>like t shirts like the kind you would buy at

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<v Speaker 2>the Hallmark store with like a Teddy Bear in a

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<v Speaker 2>witch's hat.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's just kind of where I'm at.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that for you, not my algorithm, but like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm buckled in for spooky season. You can bet that

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<v Speaker 3>like a virgin LLC. I mean, Loretta LLC is gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be absolutely doing something for spooky seasons.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll be doing a Halloween spook tacular.

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<v Speaker 3>Spooktacular. I can't believe that we're already doing it again.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe maybe taking it on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so keep on the lookout. Wait, so what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on with you? Otherwise? You know you're like, there's something

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with your foot? What else? What else is going on?

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<v Speaker 3>I have like some sort of infected blister from being

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<v Speaker 3>on Fire Island and walking on the boardwalk barefoot too

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<v Speaker 3>many times.

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<v Speaker 1>Babe, you can't do that. I know.

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<v Speaker 3>I was wearing shoes for the most part, but I

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<v Speaker 3>only brought two pair, which is a lot of restraint

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<v Speaker 3>for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm shocked.

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<v Speaker 3>And then one of those pair was borrowed from a friend,

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<v Speaker 3>so I didn't have I just was always barefoot. And yeah, anyways,

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<v Speaker 3>long story short, I'm exhausted. All invasion took it the fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Out of me.

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<v Speaker 3>I laid down for an uninterrupted three days, did not

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<v Speaker 3>leave the house, didn't like. Yesterday was the first time

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<v Speaker 3>I really went out since invasion, and like, what'd you do?

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<v Speaker 3>I just went to Poppy Juice for a few hours

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<v Speaker 3>and then left when my foot started to hurt more.

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<v Speaker 1>But did you wear impractical shoes?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that depends on if you count the crop clog

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<v Speaker 3>platforms that I sent you as in practical shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>I do count those, don't they not have a sport

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<v Speaker 1>mode drop?

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<v Speaker 3>They don't, but they are much easier to walk in

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<v Speaker 3>than the platform bay clause.

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<v Speaker 1>Until you fall out of them. Well we'll see.

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<v Speaker 3>I have yet to fall out of them, so yet

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<v Speaker 3>there's still time. And yeah, no, I was really surprised

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<v Speaker 3>by how actually comfortable those shoes are. But no, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not really up to anything. I've been reading poly secure.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been balancing a budget for over a week, so

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like sick of looking at spreadsheets. That's chasing expense expenses,

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<v Speaker 3>chasing T shirt sizes like and then speaking of Polly.

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<v Speaker 2>Secure virgins, fran is going to talk about it or

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<v Speaker 2>or did talk about it on our most or on

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<v Speaker 2>an upcoming or most recent Patreon up. I can't really

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<v Speaker 2>keep the schedule my head. But just you know, another

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<v Speaker 2>reminder to become a patron at patre on dot com

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<v Speaker 2>slash like a virgin. We're now over five hundred patrons.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is a huge deal. Like it is like just

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<v Speaker 3>the small pledge of many people that make this something

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<v Speaker 3>that we can actually not necessarily live off yet, but

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<v Speaker 3>at the very least have a passive source of income

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<v Speaker 3>so that we feel like we're being compensated for our work.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you, thank you, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>being a Patreon if you want.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and also we just we we know that you

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<v Speaker 2>just want to listen to us talk, so we're giving

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<v Speaker 2>you more opportunities to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>We honestly though, rose to be honest, like you and

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<v Speaker 3>I are overdue for like an actual like a hang like.

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<v Speaker 1>We know we do need to hang out this week.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the thing is Fire Island was like a like

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<v Speaker 3>we binged each other.

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I realized when I saw you on Friday when

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<v Speaker 2>we recorded that I hadn't seen you since my birthday.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, but I was basically I went like

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<v Speaker 3>straight back to Fire Island and was there for a while.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's where I was gone to. Can we talk

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<v Speaker 3>about Crappy Lake here?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm I'm having so much fun with it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's pretty good, right, Like I really was a hundred

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<v Speaker 3>I'm as someone who's not a really big real housewives.

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<v Speaker 3>Stan you yourself, you're like not a Real Housewives girly,

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<v Speaker 3>but you are Sonya and Luan Gurly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well they are top tier, like they are the

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<v Speaker 2>a team of housewives. And putting that in the context

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<v Speaker 2>of essentially the simple life, h is it just works

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<v Speaker 2>really well for me. Also, I'm looking right now at

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<v Speaker 2>my lease renewal that my management company sent me and

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<v Speaker 2>they're raising my rent two hundred dollars. Oh girl, that's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing compared to what everybody else I know. I know,

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<v Speaker 2>but like it still galls me because raising it for

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<v Speaker 2>what what have you given me? I think you can

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<v Speaker 2>still honestly very well tell them that. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 2>worst you can do that the least you can do

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<v Speaker 2>is ask and be like, hey, I see the rent increase.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to know what you are doing as

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<v Speaker 2>management to improve our circumstances to warrant this this rent right,

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<v Speaker 2>because the thing is I have an ongoing issue at

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<v Speaker 2>my apartment that still has not been solved. You should

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<v Speaker 2>tell them that I have the buzzer button at the

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<v Speaker 2>front buzzer for my apartment gets stuck and goes off

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the night all the time, like

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<v Speaker 2>all the time, and I have asked the maintenance people

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<v Speaker 2>and the super to fix it so many times. And

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<v Speaker 2>the last time I asked about it, they were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess we're gonna have to call the manufacturer.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, so call them, Like what, what's

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<v Speaker 1>not clicking? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I honestly, I'm just I'm someone who's just like always

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<v Speaker 3>ask and if you have an okay relationship with your management.

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<v Speaker 2>They only need never talk. I have ever interacted with them, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean because it's like a big management company that

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<v Speaker 2>manages multiple buildings and I've never interfaced with them.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, there's like they only need a certain number of

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<v Speaker 3>people to like accept the rent rise. Right, So if

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<v Speaker 3>you come back to them and you say sorry, this

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<v Speaker 3>is like unsolicited advice. If you go back to them

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<v Speaker 3>and you just say, hey, like first time meeting, I

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<v Speaker 3>plan to stay here for much longer, would you like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't understand. Can you help me understand what this

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<v Speaker 3>rent rise is going toward considering the things that have not.

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<v Speaker 1>Been improved upon.

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<v Speaker 3>And honestly, they could just look at you and be like,

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<v Speaker 3>we don't want to deal with this girl, and then

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<v Speaker 3>just let you pay the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's very generous of you to think they would

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<v Speaker 2>gender me correctly. Yeah, I don't even the Realistically, I

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<v Speaker 2>will probably just accept it, you know, like you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want the headache. I don't want the headache. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to have to send well because realistically, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that if I I tried calling them or emailing them,

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<v Speaker 2>they would just ignore me the way they did when

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<v Speaker 2>I repeatedly asked after I moved in for a copy

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<v Speaker 2>of my lease. And this is actually the first I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever heard from them, was receiving this renewal in the mail.

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<v Speaker 1>Ooh that's annoying, ye, but expected it's not going to happen. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>New York, Am I right? New York? Am I right?

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<v Speaker 1>Property ownership? Am I right? Ladies? Wow? Fuck that whatever?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you know what helps me get through it

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<v Speaker 2>is Katy Perry. The music of Katy Perry, which is

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<v Speaker 2>what we're talking about today.

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<v Speaker 1>That was such an amazing transition. Rose. I'm a professional podcaster,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what you do.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I can still remember where I was the first

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<v Speaker 2>time I heard I Kissed a Girl by Katy Perry,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was on a rock in Central Park. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the big rocks.

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<v Speaker 1>On a rock, one of the big rocks and rock.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I don't know why I remember this so specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>but I had been hearing about this, you know, new

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<v Speaker 2>song that was taking the world by storm, which it was,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, I think I should say this as

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<v Speaker 2>we start out this exploration of miss Catherine Hudson in

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<v Speaker 2>her career.

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<v Speaker 1>I am a Katie Cat. You are not friends.

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<v Speaker 3>I am not a Katie Cat in the sense that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not actually that familiar with her discography, but I

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<v Speaker 3>am familiar with her place in pop music on the

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<v Speaker 3>record breaking level, and how she did kind of grow

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<v Speaker 3>to become this perfect pop product that I think a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of pop stars buyer too and wish they could

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<v Speaker 3>pull off. I feel like in a lot of ways,

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<v Speaker 3>Katy Perry was really in the right place at the

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<v Speaker 3>right time. But honestly, to go back to I Kissed

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<v Speaker 3>a Girl like, I mean, the reason you remember that

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<v Speaker 3>moment is because the.

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<v Speaker 1>Song is psychotic. The song is iconic.

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<v Speaker 3>I put it on literally last week and it's still

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<v Speaker 3>so good. Slap so hard, The little guitar riff is

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<v Speaker 3>catchy as fuck. And you know, this probably wasn't your

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<v Speaker 3>experience of it I don't really remember the first time

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<v Speaker 3>I heard it, but I do remember just being like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>this like anthem to like godless Heathenism.

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<v Speaker 2>By Katie Fairy, which is so funny because it is

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly tame and grata, not even like at the at

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<v Speaker 2>the moment, I do think there was sort of, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like a conservative fur about it promoting homosexuality, when in

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<v Speaker 2>fact it is, if anything, promoting heterosexuality, yes, yes, very

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<v Speaker 2>suresexual experience, yeah yeah, yeah, but yeah, I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>guessed the girl like it's not it. It was the

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<v Speaker 2>thing that launched her career in a way. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>funny that of when we look back at Katie's career,

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<v Speaker 2>even though she blew up in such an extreme way

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<v Speaker 2>right at the beginning. And I do think one of

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<v Speaker 2>the boys, her debut album is incredible, it is definitely

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<v Speaker 2>not the thing she's most remembered for. Like the crystallization

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<v Speaker 2>of Katy Perry is Teenage Dream, Teenage.

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<v Speaker 3>Dream in that album, Yes, subsequent like seventeen singles that

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<v Speaker 3>came from that Algo album.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of the most successful albums of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it like beat some record that Michael Jackson

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<v Speaker 2>held for the most singles from a single album on

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<v Speaker 2>like the Billboard hotwit hundred.

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<v Speaker 3>Argue that it by chart standards, it is the most

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<v Speaker 3>successful album of all time, because yeah, it broke Michael

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<v Speaker 3>Jackson's held record for the most number one singles.

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<v Speaker 1>On an album.

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<v Speaker 3>I honestly, you know, everybody knows who Katy Perry is.

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<v Speaker 3>And by the way, forgive my very soul tree voice

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<v Speaker 3>on this podcast because I I'm a little not under

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<v Speaker 3>the weather, but I you know, party too hard this

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<v Speaker 3>last weekend at Dull Invasion. But Katie Berry started out

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<v Speaker 3>for the Virgins as a Christian music artist.

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<v Speaker 1>Going by her her dead, her dead Catherine Hudson.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that was maybe not my introduction to her,

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<v Speaker 3>but I remember learning.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't anyone's introduction.

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<v Speaker 3>But but but it was close because I remember when

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<v Speaker 3>I kissed a girl came out and being me being like,

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<v Speaker 3>who is this woman making Satanic music?

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<v Speaker 1>At that time?

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<v Speaker 3>I remember being I remember finding out very quickly because

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<v Speaker 3>the circles I ran in that she used to be

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<v Speaker 3>a Christian music artist and that was her. I believe

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<v Speaker 3>she released one album as a Christian music artist, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>to think so, and she at the time on top

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<v Speaker 3>of being very religious as a consequence of her family,

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<v Speaker 3>she also was dating my crush, my very first crush,

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<v Speaker 3>Matt Teasen, who's the lead singer of the Christian rock

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<v Speaker 3>music band Relying, Kay, did you know that?

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<v Speaker 1>I did not know that.

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<v Speaker 2>I only am sort of vaguely aware of Reliant K.

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<v Speaker 2>I read that being jealous. I was like, how dare you?

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<v Speaker 1>Makes sense? My man? And I think her.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never listened to her Catherine Hudson music, but I

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<v Speaker 2>know that it's very singer songwritery, and that does linger

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<v Speaker 2>on in her pop music.

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<v Speaker 1>Like One of the Boys is.

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<v Speaker 2>Very much a pop rock album, like much more so

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<v Speaker 2>than her later music would be. And One of the

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<v Speaker 2>Boys has some incredible bangers on it, like thinking of

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<v Speaker 2>You is on One of the Boys, The title track

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<v Speaker 2>is so good, waking Up in Vegas incredible, Thinking of

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<v Speaker 2>You like one of the best songs ever written, Hot

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<v Speaker 2>and Cold, Hot and Cold, You're so gay.

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<v Speaker 3>You're so gay? And then I forgot that there was

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<v Speaker 3>on this album.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you know, when she went into teenage dream,

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<v Speaker 2>which really like was the thing that made her who

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<v Speaker 2>she is in the way that we like that that

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<v Speaker 2>is the crystallization of the image of her in pop

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<v Speaker 2>culture that we have like the Blue Wig, the California

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<v Speaker 2>Girls of it all that is much more pop and

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<v Speaker 2>like when pop was also starting to flirt with like

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<v Speaker 2>ed M a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>It was Gaga ying, you know, blue Wig is a

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<v Speaker 3>Gaga zance kind of I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't you can't be a zance?

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<v Speaker 2>If got that was Gaga's first like entree, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a zance.

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<v Speaker 3>I felt, well, no, first of all, you're correct, we

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<v Speaker 3>shouldn't be calling everything a szance. But that was Gaga's

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<v Speaker 3>moment like no, no, no, I know it's on the

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<v Speaker 3>scene and zancing.

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<v Speaker 2>No, absolutely, no, Gaga was gaga ing, but she wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>zancing because she had never been before.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh oh, because it wasn't a return thank you, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you, thank you. Clarification. Language is important and I

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<v Speaker 3>appreciate you. No custody account.

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<v Speaker 2>All the girls were doing that at that point. It

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<v Speaker 2>was Gaga.

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<v Speaker 3>Katie Nikkia tried to get on it.

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<v Speaker 1>She did with Bionique.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't actually realize because I did watch burlesque for

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<v Speaker 2>the first time this Oh, I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan.

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<v Speaker 2>My friend Ryan told me that I didn't realize that

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<v Speaker 2>came out like in the middle of the Bionic era.

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<v Speaker 2>We're doing a burlesque episode, by the way, we should well,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah we should.

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<v Speaker 1>We should have to. I want to rewatch anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we should just do like a Christina episode and

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<v Speaker 2>burlesque into it.

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<v Speaker 3>It could also, Oh that's really smart. It could also

0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:36.679
<v Speaker 3>just be like it could be like a burlesque and

0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:39.200
<v Speaker 3>movies that Burlessue copied off of.

0:25:38.880 --> 0:25:39.359
<v Speaker 1>Like Coyote.

0:25:40.960 --> 0:25:43.640
<v Speaker 2>It literally took the scrip from Kyodeug and just changed

0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:47.919
<v Speaker 2>the details. Also like stole characters from Cabaret, like and

0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:51.080
<v Speaker 2>it literally stole out character.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, back to back to Katy Harry.

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<v Speaker 2>So Teenage Dream is like one of the most successful

0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:59.320
<v Speaker 2>albums of all time. It also coincided with her being

0:25:59.840 --> 0:26:03.120
<v Speaker 2>a huge figure in the tabloids. This was her her

0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:06.440
<v Speaker 2>marriage to Russell Brand and then the dissolution of it.

0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:08.159
<v Speaker 1>Was Jean Mayer after Russell Brand.

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<v Speaker 3>I think so okay, I don't know the dating timeline

0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:14.960
<v Speaker 3>and Teenage Dream, you know, spawned so many hits, Like

0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:19.080
<v Speaker 3>obviously the title track California Girls was the I think

0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:21.040
<v Speaker 3>the first single that was a huge moment.

0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Last Friday night when Katie started doing her like I

0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:28.800
<v Speaker 2>don't know her, like not alter ego, but she was

0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:30.600
<v Speaker 2>like trying to be kooky a little.

0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:34.560
<v Speaker 3>Bit, like like not like being completely willing to put

0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:38.199
<v Speaker 3>herself in ugly makeup and to be doofy and to

0:26:38.320 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 3>lean into the doofiness, which I think was something that

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:43.199
<v Speaker 3>no other pop star on the scene was doing, like

0:26:43.280 --> 0:26:46.720
<v Speaker 3>even Gaga. Gaga was very self serious in some ways.

0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:50.440
<v Speaker 3>She was pulling stunts, she was doing crazy avant garde things,

0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:55.399
<v Speaker 3>but she wasn't doofy. I feel and Katie loves to

0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:55.840
<v Speaker 3>be doofy.

0:26:55.960 --> 0:26:57.800
<v Speaker 1>I think it's an essential part of her brand.

0:26:57.960 --> 0:27:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she Well, there's a an element of like childishness

0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:05.199
<v Speaker 2>or like left Shark last Friday Night.

0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:09.000
<v Speaker 3>A great example that the you know, the giant singing

0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:11.520
<v Speaker 3>poop in her Vegas residency, et cetera.

0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she that that like the case, and I do

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:19.240
<v Speaker 2>think that originated with California girls, Like the whole Candyland

0:27:19.320 --> 0:27:22.520
<v Speaker 2>thing that what and the blue wig like that became

0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:26.840
<v Speaker 2>her most iconic and marketable aesthetic.

0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:28.080
<v Speaker 1>Like there's a reason why.

0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:32.840
<v Speaker 2>That's the whole vibe of her Super Bowl halftime show,

0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:33.760
<v Speaker 2>which I.

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Do still think is one of.

0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:40.800
<v Speaker 2>The better pop Diva halftime shows because it's it's so

0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:47.200
<v Speaker 2>smartly brings together the right songs from her catalog and

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Missy Elliot and Missy Elliott in the perfect like encapsulation

0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:56.560
<v Speaker 2>of them for that event and that audience.

0:27:56.240 --> 0:27:59.760
<v Speaker 3>And the left Shark meme, Like the meme was a

0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:02.960
<v Speaker 3>part of the experience and impact of that show.

0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:05.399
<v Speaker 1>Because Katie is a meme queen and she likes memes.

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:07.840
<v Speaker 1>She leans into whats doofy?

0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:11.240
<v Speaker 3>Honestly, you've You've named something that I think is really

0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:13.240
<v Speaker 3>important to like kind of lay out for the virgins,

0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:16.439
<v Speaker 3>which is the moment before and after she put on

0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:18.720
<v Speaker 3>the blue wig. I feel like it was like a

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:21.440
<v Speaker 3>pivotal moment in her career. And I think that's something.

0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:23.880
<v Speaker 1>That's like Darth Vader putting on the helmet, Yes, exactly.

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:24.520
<v Speaker 1>And I feel.

0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:28.480
<v Speaker 3>Now I'm imagining her as a villain, which she would be.

0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:30.720
<v Speaker 3>So does Katy Perry ever act in movies? She would

0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 3>be so good as like a villain in like.

0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:35.879
<v Speaker 2>No, she hasn't. She's only acted in her own music videos.

0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:39.000
<v Speaker 2>And I'm surprised because she does have like and I

0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:41.800
<v Speaker 2>know we're we're not really like sticking to the chronology

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:43.720
<v Speaker 2>of her career. I'm like jumping ahead a little, but

0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:47.440
<v Speaker 2>in the later years, she's you know, she's now been

0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:50.640
<v Speaker 2>a judge on American Idol for a couple of years,

0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 2>and on that, like she does kind of play a

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:57.880
<v Speaker 2>version of herself in a way that I imagine like

0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:03.240
<v Speaker 2>is very heightened but perfect for TV, and she's actually

0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:06.160
<v Speaker 2>very good at doing that job. I think she's the

0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:09.680
<v Speaker 2>best of those three modern day judges.

0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:13.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I totally agree. She is first and foremost a

0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:17.160
<v Speaker 3>commercial artist. American Idol is one of the most commercial

0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:21.400
<v Speaker 3>musical pieces of IP in America, and it only made

0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:24.040
<v Speaker 3>sense for her to do that in the capacity that

0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:24.920
<v Speaker 3>she still is.

0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Doing that question mark. Yes, she's still doing it. She's

0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:28.960
<v Speaker 1>still doing it, and so okay, yeah, she just signed

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>on I think for the next season.

0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:32.840
<v Speaker 3>But something to know about Katy Perry is that she's

0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:38.360
<v Speaker 3>literally always strive for megalomania pop stardom. This was always

0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:40.720
<v Speaker 3>in the plan. It was always what she wanted to do.

0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:44.400
<v Speaker 3>And from what I understand, when she released One of

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:45.160
<v Speaker 3>the Boys, is that.

0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:46.760
<v Speaker 1>What it's called her debut.

0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:49.240
<v Speaker 3>When she released that debut under Katy Perry One of

0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:52.280
<v Speaker 3>the Boys, she before that had kind of I think

0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:55.160
<v Speaker 3>her managers and players that be had been thinking about

0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:58.320
<v Speaker 3>her in this kind of and this is really amazing,

0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:02.120
<v Speaker 3>like an Alanis kind of Lane or like Jewel, Yeah, Jewel,

0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:06.520
<v Speaker 3>Michelle Branch even almost Amy Winehouse like girl with a

0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:10.240
<v Speaker 3>guitar singing soulfully, which.

0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:12.120
<v Speaker 1>We do not know Katy Perry for today.

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:15.520
<v Speaker 3>And I think at a certain point she right at

0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:17.400
<v Speaker 3>the time she was putting on this blue wig and

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:20.800
<v Speaker 3>after her singles from for the Boys had kind of

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 3>like popped off, got a new manager that I was

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:27.360
<v Speaker 3>always that was already rapping all these major people very

0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 3>very ambitiously like chase this person hard in order to

0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:35.880
<v Speaker 3>like achieve what she did with Teenage Dream and with

0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:38.760
<v Speaker 3>the Blue Wig. And the Blue Wig was really this

0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:41.720
<v Speaker 3>like aha moment I think where it's like, this is

0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:45.000
<v Speaker 3>the product I'm selling, this is the art I'm destined

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:47.200
<v Speaker 3>to make, this is what I'm gonna do with it.

0:30:47.440 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think the thing about Katie Perry is that

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:54.760
<v Speaker 2>you it's not hard to pick up that she is

0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 2>a try hard. I think that is very much the

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:02.760
<v Speaker 2>that she gives off in the in the pop space.

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:05.960
<v Speaker 2>She wants it so bad, but in a different way

0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:09.480
<v Speaker 2>from how badly Gaga wanted it, which is funny because

0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:12.240
<v Speaker 2>they were at war a little bit for a moment

0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:13.240
<v Speaker 2>which we're going to get into.

0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:14.040
<v Speaker 1>We will get into.

0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, have you ever seen her concert? Of course documentary

0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:23.000
<v Speaker 2>part of me? Of course, everybody cries at the same part.

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:23.560
<v Speaker 1>It's so.

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:29.560
<v Speaker 2>It's so effective at what it does while you're watching it.

0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:32.960
<v Speaker 2>The second you have some space from it, you are

0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:35.080
<v Speaker 2>like can like wash your hands of it.

0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:37.360
<v Speaker 1>But in the moment when you're watching.

0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 2>It, it is so effective as essentially propaganda about this woman.

0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:45.160
<v Speaker 3>And I would say, I want to know if you

0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:48.400
<v Speaker 3>agree with this statement. I would say that in the

0:31:48.440 --> 0:31:52.920
<v Speaker 3>grand scheme of other pop music documentaries that came out subsequently,

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:58.920
<v Speaker 3>that Gaga five foot two and Taylor Smiths Americana wish

0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:02.320
<v Speaker 3>they could have accomplished what Katie achieved with that doc

0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:05.680
<v Speaker 3>Like absolutely, I love the other docks. I also felt

0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:09.360
<v Speaker 3>that they were effective in different ways at helping us

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:12.520
<v Speaker 3>paint the human portrait of this pop star. But what

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:17.080
<v Speaker 3>Katie did with that documentary completely reimagined her for me

0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:20.640
<v Speaker 3>and painted her as this human that I could then

0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:22.720
<v Speaker 3>see and the heartbreak that she carried.

0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:26.480
<v Speaker 1>While also knowing that she is, like, you know, very dumb. Well,

0:32:26.520 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 1>I think I like her brand is very dumb. I

0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:30.120
<v Speaker 1>think I think, yes it is.

0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:34.600
<v Speaker 2>And I think the reason why it succeeds in a

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:38.640
<v Speaker 2>way that those other two didn't is that it's not

0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:39.960
<v Speaker 2>just a documentary.

0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:44.400
<v Speaker 1>It's also a concert film. So you're never you're.

0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:48.040
<v Speaker 2>Never asked to extricate Katie Perry the person from the

0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:52.800
<v Speaker 2>product that she's peddling, which is her music, And that's

0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:55.840
<v Speaker 2>why I think it works so well. Yeah, I need

0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:58.960
<v Speaker 2>to see Katie. You've seen Katie. I've never seen Katie girl.

0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:01.720
<v Speaker 2>I almost went to Witness tour. I remember Ryan and

0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:04.840
<v Speaker 2>I saw that there were tickets to see Witness at

0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Barclay Center No for like twenty eight dollars, and for

0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:10.080
<v Speaker 2>some reason we didn't buy them. And I regret that

0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:12.520
<v Speaker 2>to this day because because I.

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Love Witness and I think it is. I think it is.

0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 2>I think it is criminally maligned. I have a lot

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:21.360
<v Speaker 2>of opinions about how the rollout should have been different,

0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:24.560
<v Speaker 2>and like, obviously the purposeful pop of it all is

0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:26.920
<v Speaker 2>this right after Teenage Dream, No No No, So the

0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:30.880
<v Speaker 2>sequence of Katie's albums are one of the boys Teenage

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:39.560
<v Speaker 2>Dream Prism, Witness and Smile Lol. And I think Prism

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 2>is important because it's the last hugely commercially successful album

0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:52.400
<v Speaker 2>in Katie's discography. Like yes, Witness had huge hits, but

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:56.200
<v Speaker 2>not on the level that Prism did. And and Prism

0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:59.440
<v Speaker 2>was really the last time that she was on top

0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:03.800
<v Speaker 2>in the way that she was when Teenage Dream came out,

0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:07.160
<v Speaker 2>and it, you know, it has its like like roor

0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:10.799
<v Speaker 2>obviously walking on air, I mean not walking on air.

0:34:10.840 --> 0:34:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Walking on airs a hate to me. It went triple

0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 2>platinum in my home and still does to this day.

0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:19.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, dark Horse is like one of her biggest

0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:21.240
<v Speaker 2>songs of all times, even though it's.

0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:45.160
<v Speaker 4>Incredibly dumb, so isolated.

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Single era of Katie is post Witness, pre Smile That's

0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:54.879
<v Speaker 2>Never Really Over, which I do believe is the best

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:57.920
<v Speaker 2>song she's ever written, if not the greatest song written. No,

0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:02.520
<v Speaker 2>it's an incredible pop songs. And then she also did

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:06.840
<v Speaker 2>small Talk, which was written with Charlie Pute Charlie poof

0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Puth that little Thought, straight thought and is not I

0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:16.600
<v Speaker 2>don't love it. And then I guess Harley's in a

0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Hawaii was also kind of that era. But then she

0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 2>put Harley's in Hawaii, and I love Harley's in Hawaii.

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:24.320
<v Speaker 1>I think it's very sexy.

0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:27.480
<v Speaker 2>But then she put Harley's in Hawaii on Smile, so

0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:32.800
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't really count. But Prism is the era where

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:36.080
<v Speaker 2>she started to get in trouble a little bit, because

0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 2>that was when she started to not even flirt but

0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:43.799
<v Speaker 2>fuck with cultural appropriation the most, which is the thing

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:47.600
<v Speaker 2>that has really dogged Katie Perry, I think more than

0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:51.640
<v Speaker 2>any other criticism, because you know the fact that she

0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:56.160
<v Speaker 2>killed a nun, even that you know the music video

0:35:56.280 --> 0:36:00.719
<v Speaker 2>for this is how we do the performs in which

0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:04.920
<v Speaker 2>she like dressed up as a gaisha. You know she

0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:10.319
<v Speaker 2>she is. She's very dumb. She's she's extremely dumb. She

0:36:11.280 --> 0:36:14.520
<v Speaker 2>makes a lot of bad decisions in her career, but

0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:16.319
<v Speaker 2>she also makes great pop music.

0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:20.040
<v Speaker 3>I say this as a complete virgin to Katie. Do

0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:22.480
<v Speaker 3>you feel like Prism was kind of her art pop?

0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:25.400
<v Speaker 3>Like it was kind of the thing that people were like,

0:36:25.800 --> 0:36:28.120
<v Speaker 3>what is this? It has some hits, but also like,

0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:28.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't get it.

0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:32.320
<v Speaker 2>No, Witness is her art pop because she yeah, because

0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:35.560
<v Speaker 2>Witness was the album completely misunderstood. Witness was the album

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:38.360
<v Speaker 2>where purposeful pop, which I also realized I was talking

0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:39.759
<v Speaker 2>to this about someone the other day.

0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Barbie is purposeful pop. Barbie is witness. It is the whole,

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:45.040
<v Speaker 1>the whole soundtrack.

0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Yet Barbie is I'm with her, and Katie Perry is

0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:51.399
<v Speaker 2>nothing if not I'm with her, I'm with her. Katy

0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Perry is with her. No witness is Katie thinking she's

0:36:56.200 --> 0:36:58.800
<v Speaker 2>an artist, thinking she's making a statement about the world.

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:01.279
<v Speaker 2>She did that whole thing where she was in a

0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:05.920
<v Speaker 2>house for like for a week and was filmed constantly,

0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:09.719
<v Speaker 2>and like did therapy on camera, like talk to RuPaul, doctor.

0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:12.240
<v Speaker 1>Raball, and everyone's so crazy eating breakfast alone on camera.

0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:17.839
<v Speaker 2>There's so many amazing memes from that. And I mean

0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:19.680
<v Speaker 2>also that was when she cut her hair.

0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:22.440
<v Speaker 1>She shaved her hair. She didn't shave it.

0:37:22.480 --> 0:37:25.239
<v Speaker 2>She cut it short because really she was She had

0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:28.960
<v Speaker 2>long hair in the Chaine to the Rhythm video and

0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:31.799
<v Speaker 2>then her hair got super fried so she had to

0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:35.719
<v Speaker 2>cut it all off. And like, like, culturally we have

0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:39.120
<v Speaker 2>agreed upon this. I guess that I don't really agree with,

0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:41.839
<v Speaker 2>which is that cutting her hair off was what led

0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:45.320
<v Speaker 2>to her downfall. I mean, I do, I do believe,

0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:49.719
<v Speaker 2>and she has embraced this in recent years that she

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:53.560
<v Speaker 2>is at her best when she is fitting into the

0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:56.000
<v Speaker 2>mold that we like first knew her at, which is

0:37:56.120 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 2>the long dark hair, like that is her, that is

0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:03.759
<v Speaker 2>her love Thante. You know she did not almost kind

0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:06.600
<v Speaker 2>of like black black hair. Well, I mean she did

0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:09.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot, especially in one of the Boys. She really

0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:13.479
<v Speaker 2>leaned into the like pin up girl Betty Page look,

0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:17.319
<v Speaker 2>and that was not a look that was happening with

0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:19.600
<v Speaker 2>any of the other pop girls. And she really did

0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:23.600
<v Speaker 2>set a lane for herself by being the only brunette

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:26.640
<v Speaker 2>diva we had. And it's crazy that that is like.

0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Enough name another brunette diva.

0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:32.560
<v Speaker 2>I actually I was I read somebody yesterday by saying

0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:34.440
<v Speaker 2>that they were very brunette.

0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:37.479
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember who it was, but it is a reed.

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:39.920
<v Speaker 2>It is a read, but some for some people at works,

0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:42.880
<v Speaker 2>and it worked for Katie. And she did kind of

0:38:43.160 --> 0:38:48.480
<v Speaker 2>stray from God's light when she had that blonde pixie cut, and.

0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:50.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean I prayed from God.

0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:52.799
<v Speaker 2>I do love the moment in the bone Apatite video

0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:56.480
<v Speaker 2>where they cut her her braid off when she's being

0:38:56.560 --> 0:39:01.040
<v Speaker 2>like turned into food and then like from yeah, and

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:02.839
<v Speaker 2>then from that, I mean, it's wait what was that

0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:08.239
<v Speaker 2>in James, James, you've never seen them. Oh yeah, she's

0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:10.279
<v Speaker 2>like getting prepared to be put into food and she

0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:11.880
<v Speaker 2>has this long braid and they cut it off and

0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:13.879
<v Speaker 2>then she comes out with her short hair and it's

0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:14.960
<v Speaker 2>like very weird.

0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:17.720
<v Speaker 1>Okay, girl, I've never seen that video.

0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:20.400
<v Speaker 3>But also when you first said that sentence, I immediately

0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:23.600
<v Speaker 3>assumed that she was in a viral boneapp petit dot

0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:28.480
<v Speaker 3>com YouTube video with like Grossy Pelosi or whatever the fun.

0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:31.600
<v Speaker 2>Like, God, remember when Bonappetite was like the biggest thing

0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:32.320
<v Speaker 2>on YouTube.

0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:34.440
<v Speaker 1>It kind of still is, like they may not they

0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:35.440
<v Speaker 1>make all their money on.

0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:37.279
<v Speaker 2>You, not not in the way it was for a

0:39:37.320 --> 0:39:39.880
<v Speaker 2>moment when like maybe it was everyone's when it was

0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:42.880
<v Speaker 2>before they got canceled, when it was everyone's like comfort

0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:46.480
<v Speaker 2>YouTube thing, like there was the whole cast of characters

0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:48.319
<v Speaker 2>that I mean that was I used to watch all

0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:48.920
<v Speaker 2>the videos.

0:39:48.960 --> 0:39:53.000
<v Speaker 3>I didn't, but I know it was a moment. Okay, wait, okay,

0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:57.320
<v Speaker 3>back to Witness. So we have this moment of misunderstanding.

0:39:57.680 --> 0:40:00.439
<v Speaker 3>She gets the producers of the Real World, Big Brother,

0:40:00.560 --> 0:40:03.239
<v Speaker 3>question Mark Real Well, she gets the producers of one

0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:05.800
<v Speaker 3>of those major reality TV shows and kind of replicates

0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:09.319
<v Speaker 3>its formula by putting a bunch of extremely random celebrities

0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:11.560
<v Speaker 3>into one place over the course of what.

0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:14.560
<v Speaker 1>No, it's just her, but her and people sort of

0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:15.600
<v Speaker 1>come in and interact.

0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:18.560
<v Speaker 3>Wasn't this also like dinner with like Caitlyn Jenner and

0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:22.200
<v Speaker 3>Amber Amber what's her face? And like, yes, like all

0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:26.960
<v Speaker 3>these random people at dinner, RuPaul coming, iab Yes, it

0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:28.560
<v Speaker 3>was a lot of people coming in and out of

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:31.600
<v Speaker 3>the house, and she was like trying to I feel like, okay,

0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:33.080
<v Speaker 3>so I actually want to get to the bottom of

0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:34.840
<v Speaker 3>like what exactly she was trying to do with the

0:40:34.920 --> 0:40:38.319
<v Speaker 3>quote unquote purposeful pop thing, because to me, it kind

0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:41.920
<v Speaker 3>of felt like she was like feeling that she was

0:40:42.000 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 3>losing her feeling that she was losing her relevance, maybe

0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:49.759
<v Speaker 3>also feeling the level of hatred now careening towards her

0:40:49.840 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 3>as literally just a.

0:40:51.040 --> 0:40:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Woman in the music industry, honestly.

0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:56.320
<v Speaker 3>Who was also maybe said or done a few things

0:40:56.320 --> 0:41:02.040
<v Speaker 3>that are culturally insensitive, and in that She's like, let

0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:05.520
<v Speaker 3>me produce this thing wherein I'm actually one hundred percent

0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:06.920
<v Speaker 3>real myself.

0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:10.480
<v Speaker 1>For how long was the stream, I don't remember.

0:41:10.600 --> 0:41:12.719
<v Speaker 3>I think it was a few days, and then she

0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:16.439
<v Speaker 3>broadcast her literal life, like her eating breakfast, taking a shit,

0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:19.680
<v Speaker 3>going to therapy in this weird house with Kaitlyn Jenner,

0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:22.600
<v Speaker 3>where people like Kaitlyn Jenner, RuPaul, et cetera all came

0:41:22.600 --> 0:41:26.359
<v Speaker 3>to visit, and then everyone was like, what the fuck

0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:26.920
<v Speaker 3>is happening?

0:41:27.000 --> 0:41:30.759
<v Speaker 2>Well, the reasoning behind witness and purposeful pop and her

0:41:30.800 --> 0:41:34.480
<v Speaker 2>feeling like she had to create music with a message

0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:37.560
<v Speaker 2>is not hard to parse the root of Like it

0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:42.000
<v Speaker 2>came out in twenty seventeen, so like Clinton and Trump. Yeah,

0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:47.480
<v Speaker 2>so's it's post Hillary losing, Trump winning, and like all

0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:52.720
<v Speaker 2>of these people, Katy Perry among them, feeling like they

0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:55.759
<v Speaker 2>needed to reckon with that, and some they for the

0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:59.239
<v Speaker 2>first time in their lives probably they felt like they

0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:02.759
<v Speaker 2>needed to like reckon with what was happening in the

0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:06.080
<v Speaker 2>world in their art or you know, if I'm being

0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:10.080
<v Speaker 2>really cynical, just her looking around at the world and

0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:12.799
<v Speaker 2>like licking her finger and putting her and putting it

0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:14.800
<v Speaker 2>up to the air and sort of like taking the

0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:18.680
<v Speaker 2>cultural temperature and saying, oh, I don't think it's actually

0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:21.000
<v Speaker 2>enough for me to slap a blue wig on and

0:42:21.040 --> 0:42:24.600
<v Speaker 2>sing a good pop song anymore. If I'm gonna be relevant.

0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:27.759
<v Speaker 2>It has to be something more. And I don't think

0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:31.920
<v Speaker 2>that Impulse is wrong. It's wrong, but it's just that

0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:34.520
<v Speaker 2>it's just that she didn't have anything to say.

0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:37.719
<v Speaker 1>Like if you look at the actual lyrics for Chain

0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:38.680
<v Speaker 1>to the Rhythm, Girl, oh.

0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:41.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you look at the actual content of Witness,

0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:46.960
<v Speaker 2>it's not there's nothing in there that that is saying anything. Like, yes,

0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:50.560
<v Speaker 2>chain to the Rhythm is sort of about like feeling

0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:54.480
<v Speaker 2>like you're like a drone in the world and like

0:42:54.560 --> 0:42:57.000
<v Speaker 2>you're just sort of like going along with everything but

0:42:57.080 --> 0:42:57.680
<v Speaker 2>so comfortable.

0:42:57.760 --> 0:42:59.240
<v Speaker 1>We'll live in it in a bubble bubble.

0:42:59.520 --> 0:43:04.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But nothing else on Witness really is that at all.

0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:08.000
<v Speaker 2>And like I do really like Witness, Like there are

0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:10.160
<v Speaker 2>great songs i Witness. I think Tsunami is one of

0:43:10.160 --> 0:43:13.239
<v Speaker 2>her sexiest songs. I think Roulette and Deja Vous were

0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:15.200
<v Speaker 2>both incredible, and if one of them had been the

0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:18.839
<v Speaker 2>lead single of the album, I do think it would

0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:23.120
<v Speaker 2>have been received very differently. I hate Hey, Hey Hey,

0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:26.400
<v Speaker 2>and I have it blocked on Spotify so that it

0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:30.440
<v Speaker 2>never comes off when I'm listening to Katie Perry. I

0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:36.920
<v Speaker 2>even do like change the Rhythm. I like Bonappetite, I

0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:39.600
<v Speaker 2>don't love Swish Swish. Oh my god, remember the Swish

0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Swish SNL performance featuring a lot of mcgriddles.

0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:45.560
<v Speaker 1>Not a lot of mcgriddles.

0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:50.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like a bunch of queens or Metropolitan performed with

0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:55.440
<v Speaker 2>her on SNL, A lot of mcgriddles who used to

0:43:55.480 --> 0:43:58.960
<v Speaker 2>do a cover of Bitch I'm Madonna called bitch Ie Alatta,

0:44:01.680 --> 0:44:02.720
<v Speaker 2>which is one.

0:44:02.560 --> 0:44:05.719
<v Speaker 3>Of my favorite thing about Heran shit, I that's amazing.

0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:09.960
<v Speaker 3>I okay, I okay. This this album, Witness came out

0:44:10.040 --> 0:44:14.600
<v Speaker 3>like like during Trump's during the election.

0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:18.640
<v Speaker 2>It's seventeen, No, it came out. No, twenty sixteen was

0:44:18.640 --> 0:44:21.839
<v Speaker 2>the election. So twenty seventeen was, you know, after he'd

0:44:21.840 --> 0:44:25.360
<v Speaker 2>been inaugurated. Oh duh, okay, okay, sorry, So it's like

0:44:25.840 --> 0:44:29.840
<v Speaker 2>so it's it's very directly, you know, and in spot

0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:33.400
<v Speaker 2>in response to the beginning of the Trump era. And

0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:39.000
<v Speaker 2>I think more it more than Trump winning. It's inspired

0:44:39.040 --> 0:44:40.520
<v Speaker 2>by Hillary losing.

0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:45.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because she was famously on the Hillary train, which

0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:49.880
<v Speaker 3>felt kind of a direct response to Taylor Swift's silence

0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:50.960
<v Speaker 3>on the Hillary Train.

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:54.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh, we haven't talked about the tailor of the feud.

0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, wait, I want to get to that.

0:44:56.480 --> 0:44:59.560
<v Speaker 3>I just wanted to say, with the witness and purposeful

0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:02.480
<v Speaker 3>pop thing, It's like it felt like, you know, she

0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:04.759
<v Speaker 3>released I feel like in twenty seventeen, I don't know

0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:06.600
<v Speaker 3>how you were feeling, but I was still very raw,

0:45:07.000 --> 0:45:10.520
<v Speaker 3>Like I was angry all the time, all day every day.

0:45:11.080 --> 0:45:16.440
<v Speaker 3>I was like working my fucking ass off, like trying

0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:18.600
<v Speaker 3>to figure out how to live in the world safely

0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:21.600
<v Speaker 3>with my friends, which sounds dramatic and is annoying to

0:45:21.600 --> 0:45:24.120
<v Speaker 3>say now because like Trump feels like such a bygone

0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:26.600
<v Speaker 3>era even though it's so present. But it's almost like

0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:30.160
<v Speaker 3>when Katie released changed the Rhythm and these empty, empty

0:45:30.239 --> 0:45:32.920
<v Speaker 3>lyrics along with it, talking about purposeful pop is like

0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:34.760
<v Speaker 3>you really missed.

0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:37.080
<v Speaker 1>I feel like she really missed the mark. You were

0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:39.680
<v Speaker 1>totally right. It's like, wasn't the wrong impulse. It's like

0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:42.000
<v Speaker 1>she actually could have pulled something.

0:45:41.719 --> 0:45:46.360
<v Speaker 3>Off the but the lyrics and the actual message didn't

0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:49.320
<v Speaker 3>have any Like there was no substance, no bones, no teeth,

0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:51.480
<v Speaker 3>Like it didn't feel good.

0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:53.759
<v Speaker 1>And it just wasn't in line and any of the

0:45:53.880 --> 0:45:55.440
<v Speaker 1>art she had produced before.

0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:58.040
<v Speaker 3>And change the Rhythm is a pretty it's a good song. Yeah,

0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:00.720
<v Speaker 3>I love that song, but it just didn't. It didn't

0:46:01.280 --> 0:46:05.960
<v Speaker 3>transcend as what's her face would say, who's the Zionist

0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:08.280
<v Speaker 3>that did the Imagine music video?

0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:11.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh, gal Gado, gal Gado. It didn't transcends.

0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:15.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised Katie wasn't in the Imagine video. She's the

0:46:15.880 --> 0:46:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Imagine video is very purposeful pop.

0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:19.080
<v Speaker 1>She didn't send them the video.

0:46:19.080 --> 0:46:23.600
<v Speaker 2>The the things that are purposeful pop obviously the Barbie movie,

0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:29.080
<v Speaker 2>all of RuPaul's discography. No, I'm just no, no, not

0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:31.680
<v Speaker 2>not RuPaul's discography, but every time they bring up the

0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:33.719
<v Speaker 2>vote sign at the end of the set of Dragon,

0:46:34.440 --> 0:46:35.560
<v Speaker 2>that's purposeful pop.

0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:38.240
<v Speaker 1>Everybody say, love Taylor.

0:46:37.880 --> 0:46:41.160
<v Speaker 2>Swift's activism of any kind is purposeful pop?

0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:44.040
<v Speaker 1>What activism? Well, exactly exactly.

0:46:44.600 --> 0:46:48.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, purposeful pop. That's a really good prompt. Maybe

0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:50.879
<v Speaker 3>on this most recent Billie Eilish album where she had

0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:54.040
<v Speaker 3>like a kind of spoken word song about the media

0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:59.080
<v Speaker 3>critiquing her body. Yeah, I was like, okay, purposeful pop

0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:01.839
<v Speaker 3>and Chris saying he's never going to play a gay

0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:02.600
<v Speaker 3>character again.

0:47:03.000 --> 0:47:07.600
<v Speaker 2>That's purpose and win again. Emmy, Yeah, that's purposeful pop.

0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:08.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:13.480
<v Speaker 2>So Katie versus Taylor, well, Katie versus Gaga first, so

0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:15.400
<v Speaker 2>that really like the whole thing around that is that

0:47:16.440 --> 0:47:19.640
<v Speaker 2>applause and roar came out at the same time, and

0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:21.960
<v Speaker 2>they this was We've talked about this before in the pod,

0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:24.920
<v Speaker 2>but this was in the days where the girls beefed

0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:30.160
<v Speaker 2>on Twitter, and so that was just like, that's what happened.

0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:34.040
<v Speaker 2>But then Katie versus Taylor, do you know what the

0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:38.640
<v Speaker 2>origin of the few isn't okay? So according to the lore,

0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:41.359
<v Speaker 2>like we don't know, neither of them have ever said

0:47:41.360 --> 0:47:44.480
<v Speaker 2>publicly what it was about, but we all know what

0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:48.040
<v Speaker 2>it's about, and it is about what John Mayer. No, no, no,

0:47:48.120 --> 0:47:49.760
<v Speaker 2>it's about dancers.

0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:50.680
<v Speaker 1>No.

0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:55.319
<v Speaker 2>So allegedly, so before this they were cool, but allegedly

0:47:56.000 --> 0:48:03.040
<v Speaker 2>Katie tried to ruin Taylor's red horror by poaching dancers

0:48:03.520 --> 0:48:10.160
<v Speaker 2>for her Prismatic World tour, and then allegedly bad Blood

0:48:10.600 --> 0:48:15.640
<v Speaker 2>is Bad Blood was Taylor firing back at Katie.

0:48:15.160 --> 0:48:18.880
<v Speaker 3>Fully addressing like, there's no, I don't think there is

0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:21.759
<v Speaker 3>any discrepancy that Bad Blood is about Katie Hair. And

0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:25.120
<v Speaker 3>that's why, to this day, many of us believe that

0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:30.040
<v Speaker 3>when reputation Taylor's version, no not. Many of us believe

0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:34.680
<v Speaker 3>that when nineteen eighty nine, Taylor's version comes out, Katy

0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:37.560
<v Speaker 3>Perry will be featured on Bad Blood, Oh, which would

0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:39.520
<v Speaker 3>be if she didn't do it'd be such a mised

0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:44.520
<v Speaker 3>opportunity because remember her. Remember when Katie came out in

0:48:44.560 --> 0:48:47.200
<v Speaker 3>the you Need to Calm Down video and like yes,

0:48:47.560 --> 0:48:49.960
<v Speaker 3>and it was such a moment, even more so than

0:48:50.160 --> 0:48:52.640
<v Speaker 3>Taylor being like I love gays, I love no That

0:48:52.760 --> 0:48:55.160
<v Speaker 3>was the thing, is like, actually the video could have

0:48:55.239 --> 0:48:57.600
<v Speaker 3>been so good if it Trot didn't try to do

0:48:57.680 --> 0:49:00.960
<v Speaker 3>the LGBTQ thingg.

0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:03.880
<v Speaker 2>I think it was just about Taylor and Katie. It

0:49:03.960 --> 0:49:06.040
<v Speaker 2>was just like so shoe horned in. I mean, it's

0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:10.640
<v Speaker 2>very purposeful pop. But the Katie reveal was immaculate, Like.

0:49:10.600 --> 0:49:13.160
<v Speaker 1>It was so good. I was I screamed, And wasn't

0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:15.200
<v Speaker 1>she in the mosquito French Fries costume?

0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:18.319
<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, yeah, Katie was dressed as the burger and

0:49:18.400 --> 0:49:19.799
<v Speaker 2>Taylor was dressed as the French Fries.

0:49:19.960 --> 0:49:22.319
<v Speaker 1>Incredable. It was so good.

0:49:22.320 --> 0:49:25.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it ran the news cycle for a long

0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:27.080
<v Speaker 2>time and like I I loved that.

0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:30.239
<v Speaker 3>And do you think that was the eradication of their beef?

0:49:30.239 --> 0:49:31.320
<v Speaker 3>Do you think it no longer exists?

0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:34.759
<v Speaker 2>I think they had probably worked things out before that.

0:49:35.360 --> 0:49:39.120
<v Speaker 2>And then they waited for the strategic moment to roll

0:49:39.160 --> 0:49:41.560
<v Speaker 2>out their reconnection.

0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:43.400
<v Speaker 1>I still have goosebums thinking about Katy.

0:49:43.280 --> 0:49:46.359
<v Speaker 3>Perry on Bad Blood nineteen eighty nine is probably it's

0:49:46.400 --> 0:49:48.240
<v Speaker 3>the Taylor Seft album that got me, and it's probably

0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:51.719
<v Speaker 3>still my favorite album. Bad Blood and Welcome to New

0:49:51.800 --> 0:49:54.240
<v Speaker 3>York are my least favorite songs on the album.

0:49:54.480 --> 0:49:55.319
<v Speaker 1>Welcome to New York.

0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:59.000
<v Speaker 2>I listened to it every time I have a plane touchdown.

0:50:00.239 --> 0:50:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Right when the wheels the target.

0:50:02.520 --> 0:50:05.839
<v Speaker 2>Literally it's so good, or or I listened to it

0:50:05.920 --> 0:50:09.360
<v Speaker 2>like in the uber coming out of Jmkaylor or LaGuardia.

0:50:09.440 --> 0:50:12.760
<v Speaker 1>I listened to Wendy Williams. She's a native New Yorker.

0:50:31.760 --> 0:50:36.520
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so now we are at smile with something I

0:50:36.560 --> 0:50:39.880
<v Speaker 2>know nothing, which is not a good album period. And

0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:43.600
<v Speaker 2>but I do think the interesting thing is that when

0:50:43.640 --> 0:50:46.799
<v Speaker 2>the album came out and Katie did a bunch of interviews,

0:50:47.160 --> 0:50:52.000
<v Speaker 2>she was on the defense already in promoting it because

0:50:52.640 --> 0:50:55.719
<v Speaker 2>she had this whole spiel. I remember specifically, there's a

0:50:55.760 --> 0:50:57.680
<v Speaker 2>quote I think she gave it to the La Times

0:50:58.160 --> 0:51:00.840
<v Speaker 2>where they were like, yeah, you don't really get number

0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:03.359
<v Speaker 2>ones the way you used to, and she's like, honey, like,

0:51:03.520 --> 0:51:08.200
<v Speaker 2>look at my numbers, Like I've rung every bell and

0:51:08.239 --> 0:51:11.120
<v Speaker 2>that is not sustainable, and like I don't need to

0:51:11.239 --> 0:51:15.480
<v Speaker 2>hit those milestones anymore good because I've already done it.

0:51:15.840 --> 0:51:19.200
<v Speaker 2>And I think that is a good attitude for her

0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:20.400
<v Speaker 2>to have, and.

0:51:20.560 --> 0:51:23.440
<v Speaker 1>Especially nowadays where the charts don't mean anything.

0:51:23.560 --> 0:51:25.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, Smile was a huge flop. I

0:51:25.840 --> 0:51:27.800
<v Speaker 2>do think there's some good songs on it. I really

0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:30.920
<v Speaker 2>like Tucked, Cry About It Later is really good.

0:51:31.560 --> 0:51:34.440
<v Speaker 1>And Smiled, don't you like the time? No Smile is horrible.

0:51:35.400 --> 0:51:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Smile is one of the worst songs ever made.

0:51:39.239 --> 0:51:41.000
<v Speaker 1>But I like that.

0:51:42.760 --> 0:51:46.200
<v Speaker 2>In the years since Smile came out, I think it

0:51:46.200 --> 0:51:50.440
<v Speaker 2>came out in twenty twenty, and with sort of the

0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:54.960
<v Speaker 2>backing of her American Idol job behind her, she's a

0:51:54.960 --> 0:51:58.840
<v Speaker 2>little bit more like that defensiveness has calmed down, I think,

0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:02.520
<v Speaker 2>and she yeah, and she has like made peace with

0:52:02.600 --> 0:52:04.799
<v Speaker 2>the fact that she will never be at the height

0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:08.880
<v Speaker 2>that she once was and that and like that's okay,

0:52:09.040 --> 0:52:14.279
<v Speaker 2>because that's not sustainable for anyone unless you're Tailor. And

0:52:14.320 --> 0:52:17.160
<v Speaker 2>even Taylor like will have a come down at some

0:52:17.280 --> 0:52:21.680
<v Speaker 2>point from the current high she's on. And Katie like,

0:52:22.160 --> 0:52:24.279
<v Speaker 2>she has so much money. She makes like twenty five

0:52:24.280 --> 0:52:28.560
<v Speaker 2>million dollars a season for judging American Idol. She has

0:52:28.640 --> 0:52:32.439
<v Speaker 2>all these world records, she has this incredible discography, She's

0:52:32.480 --> 0:52:35.680
<v Speaker 2>done the Super Bowl, and she gets to fuck Orlando Bloom.

0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:38.240
<v Speaker 1>She gets to fuck Orlando Bloom.

0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:43.799
<v Speaker 2>He is so hot, naked on the beach, he has

0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:49.279
<v Speaker 2>aged like fine wine, and I the fact that she

0:52:49.320 --> 0:52:53.000
<v Speaker 2>gets to suck his dick is like, that is what

0:52:53.000 --> 0:52:56.600
<v Speaker 2>what number one hit could give you the same feeling

0:52:56.640 --> 0:52:58.200
<v Speaker 2>as sucking off Orlando Bloom?

0:52:58.239 --> 0:52:58.920
<v Speaker 1>When I I.

0:52:58.920 --> 0:53:01.840
<v Speaker 3>Mean sucking off, yes, But when I saw those vacation

0:53:01.960 --> 0:53:05.680
<v Speaker 3>photos of them just like being happy, like in a private,

0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:10.279
<v Speaker 3>like remote like beach island inlet or whatever, I was like,

0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:14.040
<v Speaker 3>all I can think about is sticking my nose and

0:53:14.120 --> 0:53:17.800
<v Speaker 3>mouth into Orlando's hairy little.

0:53:17.600 --> 0:53:20.279
<v Speaker 1>Hole and smelling his Oh my god, oh my god.

0:53:20.280 --> 0:53:23.040
<v Speaker 3>I want to eat his ass ya because he looks

0:53:23.120 --> 0:53:26.000
<v Speaker 3>so delicious and he probably like right then and there

0:53:26.080 --> 0:53:27.279
<v Speaker 3>smelled like salts.

0:53:28.400 --> 0:53:31.040
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, before we get to bar Okay, what's your

0:53:31.120 --> 0:53:32.440
<v Speaker 2>what's your favorite Katie.

0:53:32.200 --> 0:53:35.520
<v Speaker 1>Perry song that is a or like top three?

0:53:35.640 --> 0:53:38.319
<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna lie I kissed a Girl is in

0:53:38.360 --> 0:53:39.840
<v Speaker 3>my top three or top five.

0:53:41.200 --> 0:53:43.320
<v Speaker 1>I think Teenage Dream remains.

0:53:42.960 --> 0:53:46.120
<v Speaker 3>To be one of the most beautiful pop songs about

0:53:46.200 --> 0:53:50.560
<v Speaker 3>love ever. And I say that full knowing how like

0:53:51.320 --> 0:53:55.919
<v Speaker 3>empty the lyrics are. But it really captured the imagination

0:53:56.800 --> 0:53:59.959
<v Speaker 3>of teens at the time, and I was a teen

0:54:00.160 --> 0:54:03.759
<v Speaker 3>at the time, and I really appreciated the world that

0:54:03.800 --> 0:54:06.080
<v Speaker 3>she built, not just with that album, but with that

0:54:06.239 --> 0:54:10.040
<v Speaker 3>song because it was just perfect to me. I feel like,

0:54:10.120 --> 0:54:14.000
<v Speaker 3>if I'm returning to songs like if I'm gonna If,

0:54:14.080 --> 0:54:17.160
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, you know, enjoying my day and thinking about, like, huh,

0:54:17.160 --> 0:54:19.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm like in the mood for some Katie, which honestly

0:54:19.320 --> 0:54:25.040
<v Speaker 3>doesn't happen very often. I'm definitely listening to Never Really Over.

0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:29.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm definitely listening to Hot and Cold. I Kissed the

0:54:30.040 --> 0:54:34.880
<v Speaker 3>Girls definitely Top three, top five. I also really like

0:54:35.080 --> 0:54:39.040
<v Speaker 3>Oh I Love White Awake. I also really love her

0:54:39.120 --> 0:54:44.319
<v Speaker 3>rendition of White Christmas on that Christmas covers album that

0:54:44.400 --> 0:54:48.440
<v Speaker 3>was released exclusively with Starbucks. It's so good, and I

0:54:48.560 --> 0:54:51.000
<v Speaker 3>love if you come around Christmas time and you want

0:54:51.000 --> 0:54:52.680
<v Speaker 3>to like listen to something sad and slow, listen to

0:54:52.719 --> 0:54:56.960
<v Speaker 3>Katie Perry's White Christmas because her vocals are completely unvarnished.

0:54:56.960 --> 0:54:58.880
<v Speaker 3>There's no auto tune at all, and so it's this

0:54:59.080 --> 0:55:01.799
<v Speaker 3>has this raw nasal, almost.

0:55:01.600 --> 0:55:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Like flat kind of quality. That's so I think stunning.

0:55:05.560 --> 0:55:07.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's when her, it's when her like kind of

0:55:07.680 --> 0:55:11.440
<v Speaker 3>bad vocals really work for me. But live vocal, a

0:55:11.480 --> 0:55:14.960
<v Speaker 3>live vocal singer, she is not. She's a performer down.

0:55:15.360 --> 0:55:18.319
<v Speaker 3>She will give you a good show, period, but she

0:55:18.880 --> 0:55:24.200
<v Speaker 3>her talent is not vocals in my opinion, even though

0:55:24.239 --> 0:55:27.160
<v Speaker 3>she is talented, she is very talented. I think her

0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:31.239
<v Speaker 3>talent is being a pop star on being an entertainer,

0:55:31.719 --> 0:55:32.919
<v Speaker 3>and that's why we need to see.

0:55:32.960 --> 0:55:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Is the Vagat residency still on? Is it over? I'm

0:55:35.080 --> 0:55:37.040
<v Speaker 1>not sure, but I would love to see it.

0:55:37.120 --> 0:55:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Even though you know, my favorites are not necessarily not

0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:43.160
<v Speaker 2>all of them are getting performed.

0:55:43.239 --> 0:55:46.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh you know this that list kind of okay?

0:55:46.360 --> 0:55:49.520
<v Speaker 2>I would say my favorite Katie songs like top five

0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:56.520
<v Speaker 2>are never really over thinking of you the what is

0:55:56.520 --> 0:56:01.719
<v Speaker 2>it waiting? Walking on Air? Maybe like Circle the Drain.

0:56:02.080 --> 0:56:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Ooh, I don't know that one. It's on Teenage Dream okay.

0:56:06.040 --> 0:56:11.480
<v Speaker 2>And Legendary Lovers, No, not Legendary Lovers. One of the

0:56:11.520 --> 0:56:14.760
<v Speaker 2>boys actually, the title track from One of the Boys

0:56:14.880 --> 0:56:17.520
<v Speaker 2>is such a good song and is very trans coded.

0:56:17.800 --> 0:56:18.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:56:18.760 --> 0:56:22.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Honestly, the more I think about it, especially since

0:56:22.480 --> 0:56:24.719
<v Speaker 3>I've been listening to Ikist to Girl over and over again,

0:56:24.840 --> 0:56:27.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty sure that's my favorite Katie song.

0:56:27.280 --> 0:56:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Wow, I really are we have common full circles, I

0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:31.239
<v Speaker 1>really do.

0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:34.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking about the riff and what it contributed and

0:56:34.160 --> 0:56:38.440
<v Speaker 3>how it does stand alone in pop music where and

0:56:38.480 --> 0:56:40.880
<v Speaker 3>it's also something that doesn't feel dated.

0:56:41.080 --> 0:56:42.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's very stupid to say.

0:56:42.880 --> 0:56:46.120
<v Speaker 3>It feels extremely dated because of its display of heterosexuality,

0:56:46.320 --> 0:56:49.000
<v Speaker 3>but aside from that, like the musical quality of it

0:56:49.040 --> 0:56:52.680
<v Speaker 3>feels so like it had a point of view, and

0:56:52.760 --> 0:56:54.960
<v Speaker 3>Teenage Dream obviously had a point of view. But at

0:56:55.000 --> 0:56:57.640
<v Speaker 3>the end of the day, she's making pop product and

0:56:57.680 --> 0:57:00.319
<v Speaker 3>I like and I love that. I think I kissed

0:57:00.320 --> 0:57:02.839
<v Speaker 3>a girl just like had a little edge, it had

0:57:02.880 --> 0:57:03.399
<v Speaker 3>something else.

0:57:04.239 --> 0:57:08.279
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think there's no other way we can end

0:57:08.360 --> 0:57:12.120
<v Speaker 2>this episode than by chanting something in unison.

0:57:12.320 --> 0:57:14.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh and I think you know what it.

0:57:14.200 --> 0:57:18.080
<v Speaker 2>Is, and it is a certain Dead Nuns request for

0:57:18.240 --> 0:57:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Katie Perry. So I want you to hold my hands. Yes,

0:57:21.160 --> 0:57:24.920
<v Speaker 2>And on three, we're gonna say it? One two three,

0:57:25.400 --> 0:57:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Katy Perry, please stop?

0:57:27.640 --> 0:57:29.280
<v Speaker 1>Why did you say it? I didn't know that was

0:57:29.320 --> 0:57:31.560
<v Speaker 1>what I was supposed to say. Here, let's do it again, okay,

0:57:31.760 --> 0:57:35.640
<v Speaker 1>one two three, Katie Perry, please stop?

0:57:35.880 --> 0:57:37.560
<v Speaker 3>I really don't want her to stop, though, Like, what

0:57:37.600 --> 0:57:41.360
<v Speaker 3>do you think she should do next? Like, I honestly,

0:57:41.360 --> 0:57:44.240
<v Speaker 3>because you said she's cracked every milestone, She's done so

0:57:44.320 --> 0:57:46.280
<v Speaker 3>many things, Like what on earth does she do next?

0:57:46.360 --> 0:57:48.760
<v Speaker 2>I think she should pivot to acting. I actually think

0:57:48.800 --> 0:57:50.160
<v Speaker 2>that would be really smart.

0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:50.760
<v Speaker 1>For her, it would.

0:57:50.840 --> 0:57:53.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I want another album. I'm obviously, and we

0:57:53.920 --> 0:57:56.960
<v Speaker 3>will get more albums. Yeah, I want Bad Blood featuring

0:57:57.080 --> 0:57:58.760
<v Speaker 3>Katy Perry, and I think that's what we need.

0:57:58.880 --> 0:58:01.240
<v Speaker 1>A Katy Perry movie direct by Bradley Cooper.

0:58:01.880 --> 0:58:13.200
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0:58:20.560 --> 0:58:23.320
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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's never really over.

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<v Speaker 2>Just because it doesn't literally ever an infant the good

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<v Speaker 2>of it, Maybe you'll become a Nutter again.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>experience seeing Renaissance and I talk about Fire Island's doll

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<v Speaker 2>We have both had some big moments within the past

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<v Speaker 2>week and wanted to talk about them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, one of them being Beyonce and another one being

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<v Speaker 3>Doll Invasion, of which are on equal playing field of

0:59:53.720 --> 0:59:55.680
<v Speaker 3>life altering experience.

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<v Speaker 2>And also took place on the same day on the

0:59:57.520 --> 0:59:59.920
<v Speaker 2>same day. Hence why I was not at the Doll.

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<v Speaker 2>I was very sad to miss it, so I want

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<v Speaker 2>to hear all about it. Tell me everything.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I kind of wanted to start with Renaissance,

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<v Speaker 3>but okay, I'm still, you know, coming down from it,

1:00:11.120 --> 1:00:14.280
<v Speaker 3>which is why my voice still sounds like this. I

1:00:14.320 --> 1:00:19.760
<v Speaker 3>feel like, bottom line, if you don't already know I

1:00:20.120 --> 1:00:23.600
<v Speaker 3>or organize this amazing coalition of people to put on

1:00:23.680 --> 1:00:26.560
<v Speaker 3>adult Invasion of Fire Island when hundreds of trans people

1:00:26.600 --> 1:00:29.240
<v Speaker 3>descended on the island on a single day to or

1:00:30.120 --> 1:00:35.360
<v Speaker 3>for us exactly us sending to party in a pool

1:00:35.440 --> 1:00:39.320
<v Speaker 3>safely at Fruit Falls and on Fire Island, which is

1:00:39.400 --> 1:00:43.200
<v Speaker 3>historically not a place that is very accommodating to trans people.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was nothing short of one of the top

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<v Speaker 3>three top five best days of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel so.

1:00:53.840 --> 1:00:57.120
<v Speaker 3>Accomplished in what everybody on the team was able to do.

1:00:57.200 --> 1:01:00.480
<v Speaker 3>Everyone immediately activated around there the idea and pulled their

1:01:00.480 --> 1:01:03.560
<v Speaker 3>way and made their shit happen, and that resulted in

1:01:04.240 --> 1:01:09.960
<v Speaker 3>free tattoos, free cash, free Willie Norris shirts, like free drinks,

1:01:10.200 --> 1:01:13.240
<v Speaker 3>like free travel, stipends for people that needed them, like

1:01:14.040 --> 1:01:17.720
<v Speaker 3>Gina Davis was there for a second and I have

1:01:17.840 --> 1:01:20.080
<v Speaker 3>no idea, but she wouldn't her publicist wouldn't let us

1:01:20.080 --> 1:01:23.200
<v Speaker 3>take photos of her, which was like so wild. But

1:01:23.240 --> 1:01:25.520
<v Speaker 3>I think she was friends with Sada Ramirez who was

1:01:25.560 --> 1:01:29.000
<v Speaker 3>also there and held up a sign that said welcome

1:01:29.040 --> 1:01:33.600
<v Speaker 3>transsexuals for three different pools of fairy fairy goers.

1:01:33.320 --> 1:01:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Which was honestly a serve themselves.

1:01:37.640 --> 1:01:42.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, actually really cha came through and then Hari was

1:01:42.160 --> 1:01:46.520
<v Speaker 3>obviously their The doll On strike about a movie about

1:01:46.520 --> 1:01:47.960
<v Speaker 3>it all, the biggest movie in America.

1:01:48.440 --> 1:01:51.240
<v Speaker 1>It felt like a movie. It felt like the end

1:01:51.280 --> 1:01:51.920
<v Speaker 1>of a movie.

1:01:51.960 --> 1:01:55.880
<v Speaker 3>It felt like such a beautiful celebration of what we

1:01:55.960 --> 1:01:59.600
<v Speaker 3>could do with collective organizing power and if we fundraised

1:01:59.680 --> 1:02:02.280
<v Speaker 3>justin just what we needed and the rest went to,

1:02:02.640 --> 1:02:04.600
<v Speaker 3>you know, a mutual aid initiative for the girls like

1:02:04.880 --> 1:02:07.600
<v Speaker 3>that was amazing and beyond that, like the way I'm

1:02:07.640 --> 1:02:09.800
<v Speaker 3>talking about it makes it sound very like triumphant and

1:02:09.880 --> 1:02:12.880
<v Speaker 3>important and historic and newsworthy, which it was we were

1:02:12.880 --> 1:02:13.320
<v Speaker 3>on Vogue.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. But at the end of the.

1:02:15.880 --> 1:02:20.160
<v Speaker 3>Day, you know, you and I are privy to the

1:02:20.560 --> 1:02:23.040
<v Speaker 3>people that live on Fire Island and the kinds of

1:02:23.040 --> 1:02:26.000
<v Speaker 3>people that inhabit. To habit it, I had to work

1:02:26.000 --> 1:02:27.840
<v Speaker 3>with a lot of those people. I had to work

1:02:27.840 --> 1:02:30.360
<v Speaker 3>with some of the good apples, so to speak, in

1:02:30.480 --> 1:02:35.160
<v Speaker 3>order to make this party happen. And I found not

1:02:35.240 --> 1:02:36.640
<v Speaker 3>with the people that I worked with, but with other

1:02:36.680 --> 1:02:40.000
<v Speaker 3>people that there was this thing floating around about how

1:02:40.040 --> 1:02:42.600
<v Speaker 3>important this was going to be and it's going to

1:02:42.600 --> 1:02:45.720
<v Speaker 3>be such an inclusive event and like it's going to

1:02:45.800 --> 1:02:48.360
<v Speaker 3>be so important, you're going to change lives, blah blah blah,

1:02:48.400 --> 1:02:51.040
<v Speaker 3>and like sure, like give me credit.

1:02:51.040 --> 1:02:51.920
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that, but.

1:02:51.880 --> 1:02:55.800
<v Speaker 3>Also like trans people deserve to do things that aren't important,

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<v Speaker 3>like we can also just like make out and do

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<v Speaker 3>drugs at a cool party, you know what I mean. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>and I felt like I was constantly having to be

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<v Speaker 3>like actually, like it's not inclusive, Like we're not being

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<v Speaker 3>included on anything, like we don't want any part of it,

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<v Speaker 3>Like we are doing it, and you are the ones

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<v Speaker 3>that are included, which is why you have to pay

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<v Speaker 3>twenty dollars at the door and trans people don't.

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<v Speaker 1>That's such a good way to reframe it. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>try to. That's amazing. And then you got to hang

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<v Speaker 1>out in the house for a couple days after. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so you.

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<v Speaker 2>Got to like come down a little bit after the

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<v Speaker 2>day and like enjoy yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>And by come down, I mean chain smokes cigarettes as

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<v Speaker 3>I continue to answer emails for days. Yes, but I

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<v Speaker 3>but I was loving the chain smoking and I'm paying

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<v Speaker 3>for it.

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<v Speaker 1>As you can hear. I can hear it.

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<v Speaker 3>You did not lose your voice despite having been at

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<v Speaker 3>what is probably the event of the year in New

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<v Speaker 3>York City.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I wasn't able to be a doll invasion

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<v Speaker 2>because I was at Beyonce. I went to the first

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<v Speaker 2>night of her two night run in Rutherford, New.

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<v Speaker 1>She is the.

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<v Speaker 2>Greatest performer of our generation and the greatest performer alive currently.

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<v Speaker 1>No one can do what she can do one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and true fight me. I Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I felt also like it was the best show I've

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<v Speaker 3>ever seen, one of the greatest nights of my life.

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<v Speaker 3>The finale I was not really prepared for. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>ready for it to be over. And oh, did you

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<v Speaker 3>think there was going to be an encore.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I was.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like on a lot of ketamine at this point,

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I think maybe in my brain did think

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<v Speaker 3>there was going to be an encore at the very least,

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<v Speaker 3>that there would just be more. But when she ascended

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<v Speaker 3>over the crowd in this like metallic like confetti thing

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<v Speaker 3>that she was ringing the London tour and all these

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<v Speaker 3>four high beams are flashing on her and everybody's holding

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<v Speaker 3>up their phones to try and take a picture. There

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<v Speaker 3>was so much light on her that you couldn't see her.

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<v Speaker 3>She just looked like a flashing orb of light. She

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<v Speaker 3>looked like literally God, and people were trying to take

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<v Speaker 3>a photo of God and couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I tried taking a photo. All you see is this

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<v Speaker 1>huge bright ball of light. She looked like the sun

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<v Speaker 1>and she is she is, She's the Sun and the moon.

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<v Speaker 3>And the best part is like after that whole moment

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<v Speaker 3>where everyone's taking photos and she's all these flashes, and

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<v Speaker 3>she finally descends and then you finally see her, like

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<v Speaker 3>the like light goes away, and then you see her

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<v Speaker 3>a beautiful outfit and she's like descending back into the

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<v Speaker 3>stage and she goes I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think I need a little more love, and everyone's like

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<v Speaker 1>she was.

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<v Speaker 2>So funny and like cute on the mic. I loved

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<v Speaker 2>all her banter. It didn't feel canned in the way

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<v Speaker 2>that a lot of pop star tour banter is. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure, like you know, some of it is sure prepared,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure she does a lot of the same

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<v Speaker 2>things from show to show, but she just makes it work.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she does every time. She's perfect. Wow wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And like I in recent years have become a little

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<v Speaker 2>exhausted of the deification of Beyonce, like it feels so

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<v Speaker 2>sort of like eye rolling and obvious, like yes, we know,

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<v Speaker 2>like Beyonce's amazing, But then seeing her performed live, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, like that's all exists because it's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's true. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like when Beyonce was having her first kid, honestly,

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<v Speaker 3>that deification was reaching its peak and she was just

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<v Speaker 3>like yeah, no, you're right, I am a god and

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<v Speaker 3>that's the brand. And then that was like something where

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<v Speaker 3>it's just like, well, you don't need to say it,

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<v Speaker 3>like we're saying it, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, it.

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<v Speaker 3>Really it's like it's full circle, like she is exactly

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<v Speaker 3>where she needs to be. I wish pop stars could

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<v Speaker 3>do what she does, but no one can.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm hungry, and I'm hungry. Oh my god. The Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>the hot dogs that met life were so good.

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<v Speaker 3>Really, I wanted another one, but but you didn't, cause

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<v Speaker 3>it's like I didn't want to go back to get

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<v Speaker 3>a second one. I got the chicken tenders, which were

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<v Speaker 3>fucking good, to be honest,