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Speaker 3: Welcome to Like a Virgin, the show where we give

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Speaker 3: yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Fran Torato, I'm Rose

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Speaker 3: Daumu and I heard that you went to the theater

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Speaker 3: this weekend?

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Speaker 1: Rose? Did you not the movie theater?

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Speaker 2: I went to the movie theater last Thursday. Last Thursday,

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Speaker 2: I saw Talk to Me on Thursday, which is oh,

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Speaker 2: a twenty four horror film. It's sort of taking the

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Speaker 2: world by storm. People are saying it's, you know, the

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Speaker 2: scariest movie of the year, and they haven't been scared

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Speaker 2: they're carrying a bit okay, because it's a it's a

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Speaker 2: good movie. I have a lot of fun, but it

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Speaker 2: disturbing as Hereditary was. But it is a scary movie.

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Speaker 2: So I will I'll give you, like a a little

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Speaker 3: Comparing something to Hereditary really is setting yourself up for failure, honestly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay.

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Speaker 2: So Talk to Me is an Australian horror movie. It's

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Speaker 2: an A twenty four movie. It's about this girl, this

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Speaker 2: do this for ninety seconds to get a sort of

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Speaker 2: It's much like when I was in middle school and

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Speaker 2: But so so, the whole thing is that if you

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Speaker 2: want to leave. So it's very ooky, spooky, and of

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Speaker 2: course things go awry and lots of shenanigans happen. And

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Speaker 2: what I will say is it's a very clever premise

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Speaker 2: I mean, some parts of it were genuinely like kind

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Speaker 3: I had so much fun watching it. I'm looking to

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Speaker 3: Slander Okay, like it stays hot through September. We have

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's just kind of where I'm at.

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Speaker 3: I'm buckled in for spooky season. You can bet that

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Speaker 1: So we'll be doing a Halloween spook tacular.

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Speaker 3: Spooktacular. I can't believe that we're already doing it again.

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Speaker 2: And maybe maybe taking it on the road.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so keep on the lookout. Wait, so what's going

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Speaker 2: like when pop was also starting to flirt with like

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Speaker 2: ed M a little bit.

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Speaker 3: It was Gaga ying, you know, blue Wig is a

443
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Speaker 3: Gaga zance kind of I think.

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Speaker 1: Can't you can't be a zance?

445
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Speaker 2: If got that was Gaga's first like entree, so it's

446
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:36,719
Speaker 2: not a zance.

447
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 3: I felt, well, no, first of all, you're correct, we

448
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 3: shouldn't be calling everything a szance. But that was Gaga's

449
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 3: moment like no, no, no, I know it's on the

450
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Speaker 3: scene and zancing.

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely, no, Gaga was gaga ing, but she wasn't

452
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Speaker 2: zancing because she had never been before.

453
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Speaker 3: Oh oh, because it wasn't a return thank you, okay,

454
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 3: thank you, thank you. Clarification. Language is important and I

455
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Speaker 3: appreciate you. No custody account.

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Speaker 2: All the girls were doing that at that point. It

457
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Speaker 2: was Gaga.

458
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 3: Katie Nikkia tried to get on it.

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Speaker 1: She did with Bionique.

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Speaker 2: I didn't actually realize because I did watch burlesque for

461
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: the first time this Oh, I didn't know.

462
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Speaker 1: Ryan.

463
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: My friend Ryan told me that I didn't realize that

464
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 2: came out like in the middle of the Bionic era.

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Speaker 2: We're doing a burlesque episode, by the way, we should well,

466
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: yeah we should.

467
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: We should have to. I want to rewatch anymore.

468
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 2: Maybe we should just do like a Christina episode and

469
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 2: burlesque into it.

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Speaker 3: It could also, Oh that's really smart. It could also

471
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 3: just be like it could be like a burlesque and

472
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 3: movies that Burlessue copied off of.

473
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Speaker 1: Like Coyote.

474
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 2: It literally took the scrip from Kyodeug and just changed

475
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 2: the details. Also like stole characters from Cabaret, like and

476
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 2: it literally stole out character.

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Speaker 1: Okay, back to back to Katy Harry.

478
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Speaker 2: So Teenage Dream is like one of the most successful

479
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: albums of all time. It also coincided with her being

480
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 2: a huge figure in the tabloids. This was her her

481
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 2: marriage to Russell Brand and then the dissolution of it.

482
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: Was Jean Mayer after Russell Brand.

483
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 3: I think so okay, I don't know the dating timeline

484
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 3: and Teenage Dream, you know, spawned so many hits, Like

485
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 3: obviously the title track California Girls was the I think

486
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 3: the first single that was a huge moment.

487
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Speaker 2: Last Friday night when Katie started doing her like I

488
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 2: don't know her, like not alter ego, but she was

489
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 2: like trying to be kooky a little.

490
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 3: Bit, like like not like being completely willing to put

491
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 3: herself in ugly makeup and to be doofy and to

492
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 3: lean into the doofiness, which I think was something that

493
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 3: no other pop star on the scene was doing, like

494
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 3: even Gaga. Gaga was very self serious in some ways.

495
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 3: She was pulling stunts, she was doing crazy avant garde things,

496
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 3: but she wasn't doofy. I feel and Katie loves to

497
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 3: be doofy.

498
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: I think it's an essential part of her brand.

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00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, she Well, there's a an element of like childishness

500
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 2: or like left Shark last Friday Night.

501
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 3: A great example that the you know, the giant singing

502
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 3: poop in her Vegas residency, et cetera.

503
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, she that that like the case, and I do

504
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: think that originated with California girls, Like the whole Candyland

505
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: thing that what and the blue wig like that became

506
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: her most iconic and marketable aesthetic.

507
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: Like there's a reason why.

508
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: That's the whole vibe of her Super Bowl halftime show,

509
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: which I.

510
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: Do still think is one of.

511
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: The better pop Diva halftime shows because it's it's so

512
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 2: smartly brings together the right songs from her catalog and

513
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: Missy Elliot and Missy Elliott in the perfect like encapsulation

514
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: of them for that event and that audience.

515
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: And the left Shark meme, Like the meme was a

516
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 3: part of the experience and impact of that show.

517
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: Because Katie is a meme queen and she likes memes.

518
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: She leans into whats doofy?

519
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 3: Honestly, you've You've named something that I think is really

520
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 3: important to like kind of lay out for the virgins,

521
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 3: which is the moment before and after she put on

522
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 3: the blue wig. I feel like it was like a

523
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 3: pivotal moment in her career. And I think that's something.

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00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: That's like Darth Vader putting on the helmet, Yes, exactly.

525
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: And I feel.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm imagining her as a villain, which she would be.

527
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 3: So does Katy Perry ever act in movies? She would

528
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 3: be so good as like a villain in like.

529
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 2: No, she hasn't. She's only acted in her own music videos.

530
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: And I'm surprised because she does have like and I

531
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: know we're we're not really like sticking to the chronology

532
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: of her career. I'm like jumping ahead a little, but

533
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 2: in the later years, she's you know, she's now been

534
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: a judge on American Idol for a couple of years,

535
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: and on that, like she does kind of play a

536
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: version of herself in a way that I imagine like

537
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 2: is very heightened but perfect for TV, and she's actually

538
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: very good at doing that job. I think she's the

539
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: best of those three modern day judges.

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00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree. She is first and foremost a

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00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: commercial artist. American Idol is one of the most commercial

542
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: musical pieces of IP in America, and it only made

543
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 3: sense for her to do that in the capacity that

544
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 3: she still is.

545
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: Doing that question mark. Yes, she's still doing it. She's

546
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: still doing it, and so okay, yeah, she just signed

547
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: on I think for the next season.

548
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: But something to know about Katy Perry is that she's

549
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 3: literally always strive for megalomania pop stardom. This was always

550
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 3: in the plan. It was always what she wanted to do.

551
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: And from what I understand, when she released One of

552
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Speaker 3: the Boys, is that.

553
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: What it's called her debut.

554
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 3: When she released that debut under Katy Perry One of

555
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 3: the Boys, she before that had kind of I think

556
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: her managers and players that be had been thinking about

557
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 3: her in this kind of and this is really amazing,

558
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 3: like an Alanis kind of Lane or like Jewel, Yeah, Jewel,

559
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 3: Michelle Branch even almost Amy Winehouse like girl with a

560
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: guitar singing soulfully, which.

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Speaker 1: We do not know Katy Perry for today.

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Speaker 3: And I think at a certain point she right at

563
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 3: the time she was putting on this blue wig and

564
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: after her singles from for the Boys had kind of

565
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 3: like popped off, got a new manager that I was

566
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 3: always that was already rapping all these major people very

567
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 3: very ambitiously like chase this person hard in order to

568
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: like achieve what she did with Teenage Dream and with

569
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 3: the Blue Wig. And the Blue Wig was really this

570
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 3: like aha moment I think where it's like, this is

571
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 3: the product I'm selling, this is the art I'm destined

572
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 3: to make, this is what I'm gonna do with it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the thing about Katie Perry is that

574
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: you it's not hard to pick up that she is

575
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 2: a try hard. I think that is very much the

576
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: that she gives off in the in the pop space.

577
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: She wants it so bad, but in a different way

578
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: from how badly Gaga wanted it, which is funny because

579
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: they were at war a little bit for a moment

580
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 2: which we're going to get into.

581
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: We will get into.

582
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: Okay, have you ever seen her concert? Of course documentary

583
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: part of me? Of course, everybody cries at the same part.

584
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: It's so.

585
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 2: It's so effective at what it does while you're watching it.

586
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: The second you have some space from it, you are

587
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: like can like wash your hands of it.

588
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: But in the moment when you're watching.

589
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: It, it is so effective as essentially propaganda about this woman.

590
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 3: And I would say, I want to know if you

591
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: agree with this statement. I would say that in the

592
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: grand scheme of other pop music documentaries that came out subsequently,

593
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 3: that Gaga five foot two and Taylor Smiths Americana wish

594
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 3: they could have accomplished what Katie achieved with that doc

595
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: Like absolutely, I love the other docks. I also felt

596
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 3: that they were effective in different ways at helping us

597
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: paint the human portrait of this pop star. But what

598
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: Katie did with that documentary completely reimagined her for me

599
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 3: and painted her as this human that I could then

600
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 3: see and the heartbreak that she carried.

601
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: While also knowing that she is, like, you know, very dumb. Well,

602
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: I think I like her brand is very dumb. I

603
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: think I think, yes it is.

604
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: And I think the reason why it succeeds in a

605
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: way that those other two didn't is that it's not

606
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: just a documentary.

607
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: It's also a concert film. So you're never you're.

608
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: Never asked to extricate Katie Perry the person from the

609
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: product that she's peddling, which is her music, And that's

610
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: why I think it works so well. Yeah, I need

611
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 2: to see Katie. You've seen Katie. I've never seen Katie girl.

612
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: I almost went to Witness tour. I remember Ryan and

613
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: I saw that there were tickets to see Witness at

614
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: Barclay Center No for like twenty eight dollars, and for

615
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: some reason we didn't buy them. And I regret that

616
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: to this day because because I.

617
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: Love Witness and I think it is. I think it is.

618
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: I think it is criminally maligned. I have a lot

619
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: of opinions about how the rollout should have been different,

620
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: and like, obviously the purposeful pop of it all is

621
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: this right after Teenage Dream, No No No, So the

622
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: sequence of Katie's albums are one of the boys Teenage

623
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: Dream Prism, Witness and Smile Lol. And I think Prism

624
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: is important because it's the last hugely commercially successful album

625
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: in Katie's discography. Like yes, Witness had huge hits, but

626
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: not on the level that Prism did. And and Prism

627
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: was really the last time that she was on top

628
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: in the way that she was when Teenage Dream came out,

629
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: and it, you know, it has its like like roor

630
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 2: obviously walking on air, I mean not walking on air.

631
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 2: Walking on airs a hate to me. It went triple

632
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: platinum in my home and still does to this day.

633
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: I mean, dark Horse is like one of her biggest

634
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 2: songs of all times, even though it's.

635
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 4: Incredibly dumb, so isolated.

636
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 2: Single era of Katie is post Witness, pre Smile That's

637
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 2: Never Really Over, which I do believe is the best

638
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: song she's ever written, if not the greatest song written. No,

639
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: it's an incredible pop songs. And then she also did

640
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 2: small Talk, which was written with Charlie Pute Charlie poof

641
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: Puth that little Thought, straight thought and is not I

642
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: don't love it. And then I guess Harley's in a

643
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: Hawaii was also kind of that era. But then she

644
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: put Harley's in Hawaii, and I love Harley's in Hawaii.

645
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: I think it's very sexy.

646
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 2: But then she put Harley's in Hawaii on Smile, so

647
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 2: it doesn't really count. But Prism is the era where

648
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 2: she started to get in trouble a little bit, because

649
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: that was when she started to not even flirt but

650
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 2: fuck with cultural appropriation the most, which is the thing

651
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: that has really dogged Katie Perry, I think more than

652
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: any other criticism, because you know the fact that she

653
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: killed a nun, even that you know the music video

654
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 2: for this is how we do the performs in which

655
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 2: she like dressed up as a gaisha. You know she

656
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 2: she is. She's very dumb. She's she's extremely dumb. She

657
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: makes a lot of bad decisions in her career, but

658
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 2: she also makes great pop music.

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00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 3: I say this as a complete virgin to Katie. Do

660
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 3: you feel like Prism was kind of her art pop?

661
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 3: Like it was kind of the thing that people were like,

662
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 3: what is this? It has some hits, but also like,

663
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 3: I don't get it.

664
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 2: No, Witness is her art pop because she yeah, because

665
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: Witness was the album completely misunderstood. Witness was the album

666
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 2: where purposeful pop, which I also realized I was talking

667
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 2: to this about someone the other day.

668
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: Barbie is purposeful pop. Barbie is witness. It is the whole,

669
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: the whole soundtrack.

670
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 2: Yet Barbie is I'm with her, and Katie Perry is

671
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 2: nothing if not I'm with her, I'm with her. Katy

672
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: Perry is with her. No witness is Katie thinking she's

673
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 2: an artist, thinking she's making a statement about the world.

674
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 2: She did that whole thing where she was in a

675
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 2: house for like for a week and was filmed constantly,

676
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 2: and like did therapy on camera, like talk to RuPaul, doctor.

677
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: Raball, and everyone's so crazy eating breakfast alone on camera.

678
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 2: There's so many amazing memes from that. And I mean

679
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: also that was when she cut her hair.

680
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: She shaved her hair. She didn't shave it.

681
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 2: She cut it short because really she was She had

682
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: long hair in the Chaine to the Rhythm video and

683
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 2: then her hair got super fried so she had to

684
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 2: cut it all off. And like, like, culturally we have

685
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: agreed upon this. I guess that I don't really agree with,

686
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 2: which is that cutting her hair off was what led

687
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 2: to her downfall. I mean, I do, I do believe,

688
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 2: and she has embraced this in recent years that she

689
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: is at her best when she is fitting into the

690
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: mold that we like first knew her at, which is

691
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: the long dark hair, like that is her, that is

692
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: her love Thante. You know she did not almost kind

693
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: of like black black hair. Well, I mean she did

694
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 2: a lot, especially in one of the Boys. She really

695
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,479
Speaker 2: leaned into the like pin up girl Betty Page look,

696
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 2: and that was not a look that was happening with

697
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: any of the other pop girls. And she really did

698
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: set a lane for herself by being the only brunette

699
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: diva we had. And it's crazy that that is like.

700
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: Enough name another brunette diva.

701
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: I actually I was I read somebody yesterday by saying

702
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 2: that they were very brunette.

703
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,479
Speaker 1: I don't remember who it was, but it is a reed.

704
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: It is a read, but some for some people at works,

705
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 2: and it worked for Katie. And she did kind of

706
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: stray from God's light when she had that blonde pixie cut, and.

707
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: I mean I prayed from God.

708
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 2: I do love the moment in the bone Apatite video

709
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: where they cut her her braid off when she's being

710
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: like turned into food and then like from yeah, and

711
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 2: then from that, I mean, it's wait what was that

712
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 2: in James, James, you've never seen them. Oh yeah, she's

713
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: like getting prepared to be put into food and she

714
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: has this long braid and they cut it off and

715
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 2: then she comes out with her short hair and it's

716
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: like very weird.

717
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 1: Okay, girl, I've never seen that video.

718
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 3: But also when you first said that sentence, I immediately

719
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: assumed that she was in a viral boneapp petit dot

720
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 3: com YouTube video with like Grossy Pelosi or whatever the fun.

721
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: Like, God, remember when Bonappetite was like the biggest thing

722
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 2: on YouTube.

723
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: It kind of still is, like they may not they

724
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: make all their money on.

725
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 2: You, not not in the way it was for a

726
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 2: moment when like maybe it was everyone's when it was

727
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 2: before they got canceled, when it was everyone's like comfort

728
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: YouTube thing, like there was the whole cast of characters

729
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 2: that I mean that was I used to watch all

730
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 2: the videos.

731
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 3: I didn't, but I know it was a moment. Okay, wait, okay,

732
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 3: back to Witness. So we have this moment of misunderstanding.

733
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 3: She gets the producers of the Real World, Big Brother,

734
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 3: question Mark Real Well, she gets the producers of one

735
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 3: of those major reality TV shows and kind of replicates

736
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 3: its formula by putting a bunch of extremely random celebrities

737
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 3: into one place over the course of what.

738
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: No, it's just her, but her and people sort of

739
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: come in and interact.

740
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 3: Wasn't this also like dinner with like Caitlyn Jenner and

741
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: Amber Amber what's her face? And like, yes, like all

742
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 3: these random people at dinner, RuPaul coming, iab Yes, it

743
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 3: was a lot of people coming in and out of

744
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 3: the house, and she was like trying to I feel like, okay,

745
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 3: so I actually want to get to the bottom of

746
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 3: like what exactly she was trying to do with the

747
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 3: quote unquote purposeful pop thing, because to me, it kind

748
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 3: of felt like she was like feeling that she was

749
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 3: losing her feeling that she was losing her relevance, maybe

750
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 3: also feeling the level of hatred now careening towards her

751
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 3: as literally just a.

752
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: Woman in the music industry, honestly.

753
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 3: Who was also maybe said or done a few things

754
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 3: that are culturally insensitive, and in that She's like, let

755
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 3: me produce this thing wherein I'm actually one hundred percent

756
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 3: real myself.

757
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: For how long was the stream, I don't remember.

758
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 3: I think it was a few days, and then she

759
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 3: broadcast her literal life, like her eating breakfast, taking a shit,

760
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: going to therapy in this weird house with Kaitlyn Jenner,

761
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 3: where people like Kaitlyn Jenner, RuPaul, et cetera all came

762
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 3: to visit, and then everyone was like, what the fuck

763
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: is happening?

764
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 2: Well, the reasoning behind witness and purposeful pop and her

765
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: feeling like she had to create music with a message

766
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 2: is not hard to parse the root of Like it

767
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: came out in twenty seventeen, so like Clinton and Trump. Yeah,

768
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: so's it's post Hillary losing, Trump winning, and like all

769
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 2: of these people, Katy Perry among them, feeling like they

770
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: needed to reckon with that, and some they for the

771
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: first time in their lives probably they felt like they

772
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: needed to like reckon with what was happening in the

773
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: world in their art or you know, if I'm being

774
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: really cynical, just her looking around at the world and

775
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 2: like licking her finger and putting her and putting it

776
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 2: up to the air and sort of like taking the

777
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: cultural temperature and saying, oh, I don't think it's actually

778
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: enough for me to slap a blue wig on and

779
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: sing a good pop song anymore. If I'm gonna be relevant.

780
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 2: It has to be something more. And I don't think

781
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: that Impulse is wrong. It's wrong, but it's just that

782
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 2: it's just that she didn't have anything to say.

783
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: Like if you look at the actual lyrics for Chain

784
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: to the Rhythm, Girl, oh.

785
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you look at the actual content of Witness,

786
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 2: it's not there's nothing in there that that is saying anything. Like, yes,

787
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: chain to the Rhythm is sort of about like feeling

788
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 2: like you're like a drone in the world and like

789
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 2: you're just sort of like going along with everything but

790
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: so comfortable.

791
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 1: We'll live in it in a bubble bubble.

792
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, But nothing else on Witness really is that at all.

793
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: And like I do really like Witness, Like there are

794
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: great songs i Witness. I think Tsunami is one of

795
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 2: her sexiest songs. I think Roulette and Deja Vous were

796
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 2: both incredible, and if one of them had been the

797
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 2: lead single of the album, I do think it would

798
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: have been received very differently. I hate Hey, Hey Hey,

799
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 2: and I have it blocked on Spotify so that it

800
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 2: never comes off when I'm listening to Katie Perry. I

801
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 2: even do like change the Rhythm. I like Bonappetite, I

802
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: don't love Swish Swish. Oh my god, remember the Swish

803
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: Swish SNL performance featuring a lot of mcgriddles.

804
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: Not a lot of mcgriddles.

805
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a bunch of queens or Metropolitan performed with

806
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 2: her on SNL, A lot of mcgriddles who used to

807
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: do a cover of Bitch I'm Madonna called bitch Ie Alatta,

808
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 2: which is one.

809
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 3: Of my favorite thing about Heran shit, I that's amazing.

810
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 3: I okay, I okay. This this album, Witness came out

811
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 3: like like during Trump's during the election.

812
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: It's seventeen, No, it came out. No, twenty sixteen was

813
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 2: the election. So twenty seventeen was, you know, after he'd

814
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 2: been inaugurated. Oh duh, okay, okay, sorry, So it's like

815
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 2: so it's it's very directly, you know, and in spot

816
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 2: in response to the beginning of the Trump era. And

817
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: I think more it more than Trump winning. It's inspired

818
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 2: by Hillary losing.

819
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, because she was famously on the Hillary train, which

820
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 3: felt kind of a direct response to Taylor Swift's silence

821
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: on the Hillary Train.

822
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: Oh, we haven't talked about the tailor of the feud.

823
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, I want to get to that.

824
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: I just wanted to say, with the witness and purposeful

825
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 3: pop thing, It's like it felt like, you know, she

826
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 3: released I feel like in twenty seventeen, I don't know

827
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 3: how you were feeling, but I was still very raw,

828
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 3: Like I was angry all the time, all day every day.

829
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 3: I was like working my fucking ass off, like trying

830
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 3: to figure out how to live in the world safely

831
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: with my friends, which sounds dramatic and is annoying to

832
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 3: say now because like Trump feels like such a bygone

833
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 3: era even though it's so present. But it's almost like

834
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 3: when Katie released changed the Rhythm and these empty, empty

835
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 3: lyrics along with it, talking about purposeful pop is like

836
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 3: you really missed.

837
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: I feel like she really missed the mark. You were

838
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: totally right. It's like, wasn't the wrong impulse. It's like

839
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: she actually could have pulled something.

840
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 3: Off the but the lyrics and the actual message didn't

841
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 3: have any Like there was no substance, no bones, no teeth,

842
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: Like it didn't feel good.

843
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: And it just wasn't in line and any of the

844
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: art she had produced before.

845
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 3: And change the Rhythm is a pretty it's a good song. Yeah,

846
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 3: I love that song, but it just didn't. It didn't

847
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 3: transcend as what's her face would say, who's the Zionist

848
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 3: that did the Imagine music video?

849
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: Oh, gal Gado, gal Gado. It didn't transcends.

850
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 2: I'm surprised Katie wasn't in the Imagine video. She's the

851
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: Imagine video is very purposeful pop.

852
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: She didn't send them the video.

853
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: The the things that are purposeful pop obviously the Barbie movie,

854
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: all of RuPaul's discography. No, I'm just no, no, not

855
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: not RuPaul's discography, but every time they bring up the

856
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: vote sign at the end of the set of Dragon,

857
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: that's purposeful pop.

858
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 1: Everybody say, love Taylor.

859
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: Swift's activism of any kind is purposeful pop?

860
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: What activism? Well, exactly exactly.

861
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, purposeful pop. That's a really good prompt. Maybe

862
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 3: on this most recent Billie Eilish album where she had

863
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 3: like a kind of spoken word song about the media

864
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: critiquing her body. Yeah, I was like, okay, purposeful pop

865
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 3: and Chris saying he's never going to play a gay

866
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 3: character again.

867
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: That's purpose and win again. Emmy, Yeah, that's purposeful pop.

868
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: Okay.

869
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 2: So Katie versus Taylor, well, Katie versus Gaga first, so

870
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 2: that really like the whole thing around that is that

871
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: applause and roar came out at the same time, and

872
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: they this was We've talked about this before in the pod,

873
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 2: but this was in the days where the girls beefed

874
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: on Twitter, and so that was just like, that's what happened.

875
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 2: But then Katie versus Taylor, do you know what the

876
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: origin of the few isn't okay? So according to the lore,

877
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 2: like we don't know, neither of them have ever said

878
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 2: publicly what it was about, but we all know what

879
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 2: it's about, and it is about what John Mayer. No, no, no,

880
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 2: it's about dancers.

881
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: No.

882
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 2: So allegedly, so before this they were cool, but allegedly

883
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 2: Katie tried to ruin Taylor's red horror by poaching dancers

884
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: for her Prismatic World tour, and then allegedly bad Blood

885
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 2: is Bad Blood was Taylor firing back at Katie.

886
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 3: Fully addressing like, there's no, I don't think there is

887
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 3: any discrepancy that Bad Blood is about Katie Hair. And

888
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 3: that's why, to this day, many of us believe that

889
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 3: when reputation Taylor's version, no not. Many of us believe

890
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 3: that when nineteen eighty nine, Taylor's version comes out, Katy

891
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 3: Perry will be featured on Bad Blood, Oh, which would

892
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 3: be if she didn't do it'd be such a mised

893
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 3: opportunity because remember her. Remember when Katie came out in

894
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 3: the you Need to Calm Down video and like yes,

895
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 3: and it was such a moment, even more so than

896
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 3: Taylor being like I love gays, I love no That

897
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 3: was the thing, is like, actually the video could have

898
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 3: been so good if it Trot didn't try to do

899
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 3: the LGBTQ thingg.

900
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 2: I think it was just about Taylor and Katie. It

901
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: was just like so shoe horned in. I mean, it's

902
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 2: very purposeful pop. But the Katie reveal was immaculate, Like.

903
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: It was so good. I was I screamed, And wasn't

904
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: she in the mosquito French Fries costume?

905
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, Katie was dressed as the burger and

906
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 2: Taylor was dressed as the French Fries.

907
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: Incredable. It was so good.

908
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 2: I mean, it ran the news cycle for a long

909
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 2: time and like I I loved that.

910
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 3: And do you think that was the eradication of their beef?

911
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 3: Do you think it no longer exists?

912
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 2: I think they had probably worked things out before that.

913
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: And then they waited for the strategic moment to roll

914
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: out their reconnection.

915
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: I still have goosebums thinking about Katy.

916
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 3: Perry on Bad Blood nineteen eighty nine is probably it's

917
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 3: the Taylor Seft album that got me, and it's probably

918
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 3: still my favorite album. Bad Blood and Welcome to New

919
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 3: York are my least favorite songs on the album.

920
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: Welcome to New York.

921
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: I listened to it every time I have a plane touchdown.

922
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: Right when the wheels the target.

923
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 2: Literally it's so good, or or I listened to it

924
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 2: like in the uber coming out of Jmkaylor or LaGuardia.

925
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 1: I listened to Wendy Williams. She's a native New Yorker.

926
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 2: Okay, so now we are at smile with something I

927
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 2: know nothing, which is not a good album period. And

928
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: but I do think the interesting thing is that when

929
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 2: the album came out and Katie did a bunch of interviews,

930
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: she was on the defense already in promoting it because

931
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: she had this whole spiel. I remember specifically, there's a

932
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 2: quote I think she gave it to the La Times

933
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 2: where they were like, yeah, you don't really get number

934
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 2: ones the way you used to, and she's like, honey, like,

935
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: look at my numbers, Like I've rung every bell and

936
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 2: that is not sustainable, and like I don't need to

937
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: hit those milestones anymore good because I've already done it.

938
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: And I think that is a good attitude for her

939
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 2: to have, and.

940
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: Especially nowadays where the charts don't mean anything.

941
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, Smile was a huge flop. I

942
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 2: do think there's some good songs on it. I really

943
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: like Tucked, Cry About It Later is really good.

944
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: And Smiled, don't you like the time? No Smile is horrible.

945
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 2: Smile is one of the worst songs ever made.

946
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: But I like that.

947
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 2: In the years since Smile came out, I think it

948
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: came out in twenty twenty, and with sort of the

949
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 2: backing of her American Idol job behind her, she's a

950
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 2: little bit more like that defensiveness has calmed down, I think,

951
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 2: and she yeah, and she has like made peace with

952
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 2: the fact that she will never be at the height

953
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 2: that she once was and that and like that's okay,

954
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 2: because that's not sustainable for anyone unless you're Tailor. And

955
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 2: even Taylor like will have a come down at some

956
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 2: point from the current high she's on. And Katie like,

957
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 2: she has so much money. She makes like twenty five

958
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: million dollars a season for judging American Idol. She has

959
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,439
Speaker 2: all these world records, she has this incredible discography, She's

960
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: done the Super Bowl, and she gets to fuck Orlando Bloom.

961
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 1: She gets to fuck Orlando Bloom.

962
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 2: He is so hot, naked on the beach, he has

963
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 2: aged like fine wine, and I the fact that she

964
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 2: gets to suck his dick is like, that is what

965
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 2: what number one hit could give you the same feeling

966
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: as sucking off Orlando Bloom?

967
00:52:58,239 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: When I I.

968
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 3: Mean sucking off, yes, But when I saw those vacation

969
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 3: photos of them just like being happy, like in a private,

970
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 3: like remote like beach island inlet or whatever, I was like,

971
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 3: all I can think about is sticking my nose and

972
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 3: mouth into Orlando's hairy little.

973
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: Hole and smelling his Oh my god, oh my god.

974
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 3: I want to eat his ass ya because he looks

975
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 3: so delicious and he probably like right then and there

976
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 3: smelled like salts.

977
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, before we get to bar Okay, what's your

978
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 2: what's your favorite Katie.

979
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: Perry song that is a or like top three?

980
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie I kissed a Girl is in

981
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 3: my top three or top five.

982
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: I think Teenage Dream remains.

983
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 3: To be one of the most beautiful pop songs about

984
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 3: love ever. And I say that full knowing how like

985
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,919
Speaker 3: empty the lyrics are. But it really captured the imagination

986
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,959
Speaker 3: of teens at the time, and I was a teen

987
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 3: at the time, and I really appreciated the world that

988
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 3: she built, not just with that album, but with that

989
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 3: song because it was just perfect to me. I feel like,

990
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 3: if I'm returning to songs like if I'm gonna If,

991
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, enjoying my day and thinking about, like, huh,

992
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 3: I'm like in the mood for some Katie, which honestly

993
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 3: doesn't happen very often. I'm definitely listening to Never Really Over.

994
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 3: I'm definitely listening to Hot and Cold. I Kissed the

995
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 3: Girls definitely Top three, top five. I also really like

996
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 3: Oh I Love White Awake. I also really love her

997
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 3: rendition of White Christmas on that Christmas covers album that

998
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 3: was released exclusively with Starbucks. It's so good, and I

999
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 3: love if you come around Christmas time and you want

1000
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 3: to like listen to something sad and slow, listen to

1001
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 3: Katie Perry's White Christmas because her vocals are completely unvarnished.

1002
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 3: There's no auto tune at all, and so it's this

1003
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 3: has this raw nasal, almost.

1004
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: Like flat kind of quality. That's so I think stunning.

1005
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's when her, it's when her like kind of

1006
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 3: bad vocals really work for me. But live vocal, a

1007
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 3: live vocal singer, she is not. She's a performer down.

1008
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 3: She will give you a good show, period, but she

1009
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 3: her talent is not vocals in my opinion, even though

1010
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 3: she is talented, she is very talented. I think her

1011
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 3: talent is being a pop star on being an entertainer,

1012
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:32,919
Speaker 3: and that's why we need to see.

1013
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: Is the Vagat residency still on? Is it over? I'm

1014
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: not sure, but I would love to see it.

1015
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 2: Even though you know, my favorites are not necessarily not

1016
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 2: all of them are getting performed.

1017
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: Oh you know this that list kind of okay?

1018
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: I would say my favorite Katie songs like top five

1019
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 2: are never really over thinking of you the what is

1020
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 2: it waiting? Walking on Air? Maybe like Circle the Drain.

1021
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,760
Speaker 1: Ooh, I don't know that one. It's on Teenage Dream okay.

1022
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 2: And Legendary Lovers, No, not Legendary Lovers. One of the

1023
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,760
Speaker 2: boys actually, the title track from One of the Boys

1024
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 2: is such a good song and is very trans coded.

1025
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1026
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, Honestly, the more I think about it, especially since

1027
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 3: I've been listening to Ikist to Girl over and over again,

1028
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that's my favorite Katie song.

1029
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: Wow, I really are we have common full circles, I

1030
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: really do.

1031
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about the riff and what it contributed and

1032
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 3: how it does stand alone in pop music where and

1033
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 3: it's also something that doesn't feel dated.

1034
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: I mean, that's very stupid to say.

1035
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 3: It feels extremely dated because of its display of heterosexuality,

1036
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 3: but aside from that, like the musical quality of it

1037
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 3: feels so like it had a point of view, and

1038
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 3: Teenage Dream obviously had a point of view. But at

1039
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 3: the end of the day, she's making pop product and

1040
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 3: I like and I love that. I think I kissed

1041
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 3: a girl just like had a little edge, it had

1042
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 3: something else.

1043
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 2: Well, I think there's no other way we can end

1044
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 2: this episode than by chanting something in unison.

1045
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: Oh and I think you know what it.

1046
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 2: Is, and it is a certain Dead Nuns request for

1047
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 2: Katie Perry. So I want you to hold my hands. Yes,

1048
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 2: And on three, we're gonna say it? One two three,

1049
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 2: Katy Perry, please stop?

1050
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: Why did you say it? I didn't know that was

1051
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: what I was supposed to say. Here, let's do it again, okay,

1052
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: one two three, Katie Perry, please stop?

1053
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 3: I really don't want her to stop, though, Like, what

1054
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 3: do you think she should do next? Like, I honestly,

1055
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 3: because you said she's cracked every milestone, She's done so

1056
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 3: many things, Like what on earth does she do next?

1057
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 2: I think she should pivot to acting. I actually think

1058
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 2: that would be really smart.

1059
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: For her, it would.

1060
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 3: I mean, I want another album. I'm obviously, and we

1061
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 3: will get more albums. Yeah, I want Bad Blood featuring

1062
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 3: Katy Perry, and I think that's what we need.

1063
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: A Katy Perry movie direct by Bradley Cooper.

1064
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:13,200
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1066
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,520
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1067
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,800
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1068
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: Did she kill that nine? Did she kill that Nune?

1069
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: The answer is yes.

1070
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:30,200
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1083
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,520
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1084
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1085
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00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 3: a Virgin.

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Speaker 2: We have both had some big moments within the past

1093
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 2: week and wanted to talk about them.

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00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 3: Yes, one of them being Beyonce and another one being

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00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 3: Doll Invasion, of which are on equal playing field of

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00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 3: life altering experience.

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00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 2: And also took place on the same day on the

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00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 2: same day. Hence why I was not at the Doll.

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01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 2: I was very sad to miss it, so I want

1100
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 2: to hear all about it. Tell me everything.

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01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I kind of wanted to start with Renaissance,

1102
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 3: but okay, I'm still, you know, coming down from it,

1103
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 3: which is why my voice still sounds like this. I

1104
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 3: feel like, bottom line, if you don't already know I

1105
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 3: or organize this amazing coalition of people to put on

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01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 3: adult Invasion of Fire Island when hundreds of trans people

1107
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 3: descended on the island on a single day to or

1108
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 3: for us exactly us sending to party in a pool

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01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 3: safely at Fruit Falls and on Fire Island, which is

1110
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 3: historically not a place that is very accommodating to trans people.

1111
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 3: And it was nothing short of one of the top

1112
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 3: three top five best days of my life.

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Speaker 1: I feel so.

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01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 3: Accomplished in what everybody on the team was able to do.

1115
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 3: Everyone immediately activated around there the idea and pulled their

1116
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 3: way and made their shit happen, and that resulted in

1117
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 3: free tattoos, free cash, free Willie Norris shirts, like free drinks,

1118
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 3: like free travel, stipends for people that needed them, like

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01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 3: Gina Davis was there for a second and I have

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01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 3: no idea, but she wouldn't her publicist wouldn't let us

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01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 3: take photos of her, which was like so wild. But

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01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 3: I think she was friends with Sada Ramirez who was

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01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 3: also there and held up a sign that said welcome

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01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 3: transsexuals for three different pools of fairy fairy goers.

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Speaker 1: Which was honestly a serve themselves.

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01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, actually really cha came through and then Hari was

1127
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 3: obviously their The doll On strike about a movie about

1128
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 3: it all, the biggest movie in America.

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01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: It felt like a movie. It felt like the end

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01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: of a movie.

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01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 3: It felt like such a beautiful celebration of what we

1132
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 3: could do with collective organizing power and if we fundraised

1133
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 3: justin just what we needed and the rest went to,

1134
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 3: you know, a mutual aid initiative for the girls like

1135
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 3: that was amazing and beyond that, like the way I'm

1136
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 3: talking about it makes it sound very like triumphant and

1137
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 3: important and historic and newsworthy, which it was we were

1138
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 3: on Vogue.

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01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: Thank you. But at the end of the.

1140
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 3: Day, you know, you and I are privy to the

1141
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 3: people that live on Fire Island and the kinds of

1142
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 3: people that inhabit. To habit it, I had to work

1143
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 3: with a lot of those people. I had to work

1144
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 3: with some of the good apples, so to speak, in

1145
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 3: order to make this party happen. And I found not

1146
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 3: with the people that I worked with, but with other

1147
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 3: people that there was this thing floating around about how

1148
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 3: important this was going to be and it's going to

1149
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 3: be such an inclusive event and like it's going to

1150
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 3: be so important, you're going to change lives, blah blah blah,

1151
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 3: and like sure, like give me credit.

1152
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, but.

1153
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 3: Also like trans people deserve to do things that aren't important,

1154
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 3: like we can also just like make out and do

1155
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 3: drugs at a cool party, you know what I mean. Like,

1156
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 3: and I felt like I was constantly having to be

1157
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,439
Speaker 3: like actually, like it's not inclusive, Like we're not being

1158
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 3: included on anything, like we don't want any part of it,

1159
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,439
Speaker 3: Like we are doing it, and you are the ones

1160
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 3: that are included, which is why you have to pay

1161
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 3: twenty dollars at the door and trans people don't.

1162
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: That's such a good way to reframe it. Yeah, I

1163
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: try to. That's amazing. And then you got to hang

1164
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 1: out in the house for a couple days after. Yes,

1165
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: so you.

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01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 2: Got to like come down a little bit after the

1167
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 2: day and like enjoy yourself.

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01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 3: And by come down, I mean chain smokes cigarettes as

1169
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 3: I continue to answer emails for days. Yes, but I

1170
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 3: but I was loving the chain smoking and I'm paying

1171
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:40,919
Speaker 3: for it.

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01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: As you can hear. I can hear it.

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01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 3: You did not lose your voice despite having been at

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01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 3: what is probably the event of the year in New

1175
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 3: York City.

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01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I wasn't able to be a doll invasion

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01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 2: because I was at Beyonce. I went to the first

1178
01:03:54,640 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 2: night of her two night run in Rutherford, New.

1179
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: She is the.

1180
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 2: Greatest performer of our generation and the greatest performer alive currently.

1181
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: No one can do what she can do one hundred

1182
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: and true fight me. I Yeah.

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01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 3: I felt also like it was the best show I've

1184
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 3: ever seen, one of the greatest nights of my life.

1185
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 3: The finale I was not really prepared for. I wasn't

1186
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 3: ready for it to be over. And oh, did you

1187
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 3: think there was going to be an encore.

1188
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I was.

1189
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 3: I was like on a lot of ketamine at this point,

1190
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think maybe in my brain did think

1191
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,439
Speaker 3: there was going to be an encore at the very least,

1192
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 3: that there would just be more. But when she ascended

1193
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 3: over the crowd in this like metallic like confetti thing

1194
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 3: that she was ringing the London tour and all these

1195
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 3: four high beams are flashing on her and everybody's holding

1196
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 3: up their phones to try and take a picture. There

1197
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 3: was so much light on her that you couldn't see her.

1198
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 3: She just looked like a flashing orb of light. She

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01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 3: looked like literally God, and people were trying to take

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01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 3: a photo of God and couldn't.

1201
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 1: I tried taking a photo. All you see is this

1202
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: huge bright ball of light. She looked like the sun

1203
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 1: and she is she is, She's the Sun and the moon.

1204
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 3: And the best part is like after that whole moment

1205
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 3: where everyone's taking photos and she's all these flashes, and

1206
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 3: she finally descends and then you finally see her, like

1207
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 3: the like light goes away, and then you see her

1208
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 3: a beautiful outfit and she's like descending back into the

1209
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 3: stage and she goes I.

1210
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: Think I need a little more love, and everyone's like

1211
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: she was.

1212
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 2: So funny and like cute on the mic. I loved

1213
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 2: all her banter. It didn't feel canned in the way

1214
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 2: that a lot of pop star tour banter is. And

1215
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 2: I'm sure, like you know, some of it is sure prepared,

1216
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 2: and I'm sure she does a lot of the same

1217
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 2: things from show to show, but she just makes it work.

1218
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, she does every time. She's perfect. Wow wow.

1219
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 2: And like I in recent years have become a little

1220
01:05:55,640 --> 01:06:00,080
Speaker 2: exhausted of the deification of Beyonce, like it feels so

1221
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 2: sort of like eye rolling and obvious, like yes, we know,

1222
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 2: like Beyonce's amazing, But then seeing her performed live, I

1223
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 2: was like, oh, like that's all exists because it's true.

1224
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. Yeah.

1225
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 3: I feel like when Beyonce was having her first kid, honestly,

1226
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 3: that deification was reaching its peak and she was just

1227
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 3: like yeah, no, you're right, I am a god and

1228
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 3: that's the brand. And then that was like something where

1229
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 3: it's just like, well, you don't need to say it,

1230
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 3: like we're saying it, you know what I mean?

1231
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it.

1232
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 3: Really it's like it's full circle, like she is exactly

1233
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:29,919
Speaker 3: where she needs to be. I wish pop stars could

1234
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 3: do what she does, but no one can.

1235
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: And I'm hungry, and I'm hungry. Oh my god. The Actually,

1236
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 1: the hot dogs that met life were so good.

1237
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 3: Really, I wanted another one, but but you didn't, cause

1238
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 3: it's like I didn't want to go back to get

1239
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 3: a second one. I got the chicken tenders, which were

1240
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 3: fucking good, to be honest,