1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Look at Our Radio is a radio phonic novela, which 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,719 Speaker 1: is just a very extra way of saying a podcast. 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: I'm Theos f M and I am malays. Local Radio 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: is your free, must favorite podcast hosted by us Mala 5 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: and Theosa, where two I G friends turned podcast partners, 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: breaking down pop culture, feminism, sexual wellness, and offering fresh 7 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: takes on strending topics through nuanced interviews with up and 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: coming Latin next creatives known as Las Locals, Las Mammy 9 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: Submit and Bullshits next Door and Lasses. We've been podcasting 10 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: independently since and we're bringing our radiophonic novela to the 11 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: Miculcura Network to continue sharing stories from the latinox community. 12 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to Local Radio Season seven, Take us to your network. Hello, 13 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: La Locomotives, Welcome back to radio. I'm THEOS and I'm Mala. 14 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: You're tuning in to last time on Look Radio. What 15 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: did we talk about? We had our Oyloca segments, Yes 16 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: we did, and we we talked about making new friends 17 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: in your late twenties. We gave some stage advice, So 18 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: go back and listen and let us know what you think. 19 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: Let us know what you think. Advice for our younger selves. 20 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: Lots of gems in that episode, I think so, so 21 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: today we're going to talk about the state of feminism. 22 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: There have been some incredible strides over the years. Obviously 23 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: we had like our girl Boss feminist era, we had 24 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: our marketable feminist era, are palatable feminist era. We also 25 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: still like grassroots radical feminists exist, anarchist feminist. All of 26 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: those incredible things are happening. But at the same time, 27 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: I'm also seeing a shift. I'm seeing younger women not 28 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: want to identify is feminist, saying that the current wave 29 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: of feminists are just about bashing men when men are 30 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: when we're technically not physically equal to men. I've heard 31 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: that verbatim recently. Recently that is still being said. So 32 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: I thought it would be a good idea for us 33 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 1: to kind of document and track like what we've seen 34 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: over the years from when we started and look at 35 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: that our radio and where we've seen feminism community evolve 36 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: or move to and just what's going on. Oh my god, 37 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: the state of things it is wild out there. Feels bleak. Honestly, 38 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: it feels very bleak, especially because the lens that we're 39 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: using to view this shift is of course social media. 40 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: This is kind of where we're seeing things happening. So 41 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: like we're kind of gonna this episode talk about when 42 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: we first started the podcast back in two thousands sixteen, 43 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: the social media digital landscape as it pertains to like 44 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: feminism and social justice, and the landscape we're seeing on 45 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: social media as it pertains to feminism now is I 46 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: think like to to give it a nice little capsule, 47 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: you know, how have things moved? How have things moved? 48 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: Because when we first started, it was very much we 49 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: were and our whole kind of peripheral social media like community, 50 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: if we want to use that word, or ecosystem very 51 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: much in our men are trash era lots of I mean, 52 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: men are trash, merch men are trash posting Twitter, Instagram, 53 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: you know, events like media like men are trash as 54 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: a concept and men are trash as an idea. Men 55 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: are trash almost as a politic like very much out 56 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: there just kind of like distilling all the problems in 57 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: the world, patriarchy, femicide, and distilling it down to this 58 00:03:55,400 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: very succinct idea men are trash. That was everywhere. Not 59 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: so much anymore. No, I haven't seen that with the 60 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: exception of a couple, you know, folks that like our proponents, 61 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: you know, they're still they're still on it. And yes, 62 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: because the thing with the men are trash and I 63 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: think we're kind of lost momentum in a way. Right. 64 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,239 Speaker 1: It's like, it's not none of this is about individual people. 65 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: We know that with when we're talking about white supremacy, 66 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: when we're talking about ripe culture, we're not talking about 67 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: individual people. But at the same time, there are individuals 68 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: that carry out abuse, right, and then the systems in 69 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: place allow these things to happen. So it's both systemic 70 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: and also individual. And so that there were like many 71 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: women that took issue with men are trash, especially mothers. Right. 72 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: There were lots of things we saw over the years, 73 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: but I think that when we came up in that 74 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: was definitely the landscape for feminism. It was talking about women, 75 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: very open feminists, very openly talking about the abuse that 76 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: they faced, the interpersonal violence, and like you said, putting 77 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: it in this very distinct way of like women are trashed, 78 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: and that's why you're being abused, that's why sexual you're 79 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: being like their sexual violence, like all these different things. Um, 80 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: is this, Yes, this distinction was made back then, and 81 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: I think it's important to make this distinction now, and 82 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: this is going to come up later with what we're 83 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: seeing today men are trash, Like you mentioned, coming from 84 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: a place of like critiquing institutions and these broad scale things, 85 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: it was always like sitting on this foundation of like 86 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: we're talking about real life things like men murdering women 87 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: at high rates, to the to the point that nearly 88 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: every nation in the Western hemisphere has ongoing femicides, you 89 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like that's what we're talking about. 90 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: We're talking about missing and murdered women. We're talking about 91 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: we only very recently in the last century have been 92 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: allowed to wear pants and have bank accounts. Like that's 93 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: the foundation that men are trash is based off of, 94 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: like those very very real violences against women, you know, 95 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: including transgender women who are women. Right, men are trash 96 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: also is including patriarchal violence, misogynist violence, and trans misogyny 97 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: in its own way. Right, So like it's not about oh, 98 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: like I feel like right now, the feminism, the kind 99 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: of pop culture feminism is like distilled down to like 100 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: should we be splitting bills, should they be picking you 101 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: up for dates. Do women expect too much from men? 102 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: It's like there's like five questions that could asked over 103 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: and over and over again, over and over and over again, 104 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: you know, like are women asking for too much? Are 105 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: women's expectations too high? Should women be splitting bills with 106 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: like it's it's it's wild, But that's what it's all 107 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: come down to. Those are the conversations about, like the 108 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: structural stuff I feel like is not as no, and 109 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: I think popular, yeah, And I think that's because so much, 110 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: because of capitalism and just this society that we live 111 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: in in the US that is so individualistic, so much 112 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: of it has become about choice, like choice feminism, right, 113 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: you can, and choice is so important, we know that, right, 114 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: But I think the collective and the community struggle has 115 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: got any race or it's not included anymore. Like so 116 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: much of it is about, like you said, the splitting 117 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: the bill, So much of it is about the choice, 118 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: the choice that each individual person makes. And I think 119 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: that that's where it's why it's falling flat, because it's 120 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: not about systemic issues anymore. And that's what like the 121 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: feminism from the sixties, seventies and beyond was about collective 122 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: struggle and liberation, especially in like womanism, intersectional feminism. But 123 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: now it's very much like I don't like what it 124 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: is out it's the stay at home girlfriends again, going 125 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: back to choice, while the stay at home girlfriend content 126 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: like you brought in the in our previous episode, right, 127 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: so much of it is like like the choice that 128 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: you still have, like because you're able to make this 129 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: choice to even stay home and be a quote traditional wife, 130 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: that was still made for you by the women that 131 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: fought for that for you to have that choice again 132 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: collective liberation. Yeah, no choice. There is not one choice 133 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: that any of us make today that we make independent 134 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 1: of like struggles that were fought before we were even born. 135 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: Like none of our choices are independent of like the 136 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: history that came before us. Like none of our choices 137 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: are separate and apart, like you're saying, this is the 138 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: only reason we even have these choices, and so like 139 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of content online and it's it is 140 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: a lot of white women. And I think that's interesting 141 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 1: too that are like talking about and we hear this 142 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: this thing if I was born in the wrong century, 143 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: I wish I was born in the fifties, do you really, 144 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: do you really do you know what you're saying? Do 145 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: you understand what it was like to be like a 146 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: woman in the fifties, especially if you're unmarried, especially if 147 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: you don't come from money, Like the list goes on 148 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: and on and on. You know, the options that we 149 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: have today just literally did not exist back then. It's 150 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: not even of a matter of wanting to or feeling 151 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: like it, or it's your ethic or your politic or 152 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: your desire. It's like it's just not available to you, right, 153 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: I mean to to think about like all of the 154 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: queer folks right of that era that couldn't live their 155 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: authentic lives that I had to marry, you know, being 156 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: hetero marriages that could never fully come out. There's just 157 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: so like if you factor in race, there's just so 158 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: many reasons to critique that idea of I was born 159 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: in the wrong time period, and it's just wild and like, 160 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: let's be really honest, you guys, um housewives of the 161 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties, were they really choosing their own husbands? No, 162 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: they had come on, y'all, look at your grandmother's Look 163 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: at your just look at your grandmother's, look at your 164 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: great grandmother's and tell me all of them chose from 165 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: a catalog of Prince Charming's. They chose their ideal Prince 166 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: Charming who gave them the ideal stay at home life. 167 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: Give me an effing break, you know what I mean? Yeah, 168 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm glad you brought up because literally, of 169 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixties is when the feminine mystique came out, 170 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: you know, by Betty Friedan, And of course that has 171 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: had its own critiques now, you know, so much of 172 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: it was on like white women that were able to 173 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: go and have they were basically depending on labor primarily 174 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: by like immigrant women and women of color. Right, It 175 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: was a very class specific essay theory, however, that did 176 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: come out of the nineteen fifties and sixties and women 177 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: having to be home and having to be the caregivers 178 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: and having no other options. And so it's interesting to 179 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: see I think also like, well, what are the feminist 180 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: outlets media that exists now? Nearly none? Right, so in 181 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: Bitch Media, long time feminist media publication folded and that 182 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: was one of the last standing feminist publications. And so 183 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: I'm also thinking, like, okay, with all of this conversation, 184 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: chatter happening online. There's also a lack of publications of media. 185 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: Our media literacy in general across the board, all the 186 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: way down. I feel like, i I'm I'm no like 187 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: web historian, but I would venture to say that, like, 188 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: the amount of misinformation and buy into misinformation has probably 189 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: never been higher. This is probably the worst it's ever been, 190 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: right Like, as we just advance in technology and society, 191 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: there's no way that there is a period of time 192 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: where the spread of misinfo and propaganda was worse. Like 193 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: this has to be the worst time in recorded human history, 194 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean there was 195 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: a study that came out recently about the literacy rate 196 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: in the US. It's like below six the sixth grade 197 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: reading level, very bad, you know, And so I think 198 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: that that's just that's definitely like all connected. While media 199 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: literacy is probably the worst it's ever been, and you 200 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: know what literacy is, There's never been more media, right, 201 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: The literacy has no chance of catching up to the media. 202 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: The media is growing at such a cancerous rate while 203 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: our schooling and education is not growing at all, Like 204 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: we will never catch up and we become competent unfortunately, 205 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: and the royal we like all of us collectively. And 206 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 1: let me tell you something, if you put it on 207 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: the internet, a lot of people are apt to believe it. 208 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: People will believe just about anything, and that's just like real. 209 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: And so I think there's also this banning of books 210 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: going on. I was about to say yeah, because even 211 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: if so, a lot of my like feminist awakening came 212 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: in undergrad, right. I had feminist leanings when I was 213 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: in high school. I went to an all girls school, 214 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: you know, so that wasn't out of out of place 215 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: or out of norm. But if you have access to 216 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: feminist text novels even doesn't have to be like textbooks, right, 217 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: or theory, but just novels of different viewpoints in your 218 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: school library, at your local library. That's crucial. At the 219 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: same time, with the media literacy declining, we also have 220 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 1: book banning happening happening all across the US, right, And 221 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: let's remember, if they are removing any critical race theory 222 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: from schools, if we're applying an intersectional understanding of things, 223 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: that's going to include texts by women of color, by 224 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: black women, by Native women, by Latin X authors. Because 225 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: our feminist theory is also grounded in like an intersectionality 226 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: and a perspective that is grounded and like, Okay, this 227 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: is not white feminism, this is its own thing. Right. 228 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: So all of that to say, while our media literacy 229 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: is on the decline and books are being banned in 230 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: theory is just not getting into the hands of young people, 231 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: there's the Andrew Taits and the in cells of the 232 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: world are doing very well. I think he maybe I 233 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: don't know, did he get arrested. I think I may 234 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: have seen something on Twitter. Yeah, he was arrested in Romania. 235 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: He's like currently detained. It was a whole saga. I'll 236 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: have to fill you in. Oh my god, okay, fill 237 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: me in. I'm not I'm not up to snuff. I'm 238 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: not up. I'm not I'm not up on my Andrew 239 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: Tate knowledge right now. The only reason I know about 240 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: Andrew Tate is because he was detained in Romania and 241 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: he essentially told on himself. I guess the Romanian authorities 242 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: had been trying to track him down and Greta like 243 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: tweeted at him. Gretetunberg tweeted at him, and he responded 244 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: with like a photo of himself and with like boxes 245 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: of pizza next to him, and the pizza company was 246 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: like in Romania, which is how they were able to 247 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: prove he was in the country, which is why he 248 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: was arrested and being charged with human trafficking and rape violations. 249 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: It's bad, it's bad. And so with that, now he's 250 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: he's a bad man, he's a predator. There's obviously evidence, 251 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: and now it's his supporters saying, oh, they're just trying 252 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: to cancel him. It's the left, it's this, it's that. 253 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: So even that's what really scares me. Right, It's like, 254 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: even with evidence, even with multiple reports of past partners 255 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: saying he raped them, it's not enough. It's never been enough, 256 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: But even more so now with in cells, with women 257 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: even like not wanting to be feminists, thinking feminists, that 258 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: feminisms are bashing men. Right, It just this little ven 259 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: diagram of these like in cells, and then women who 260 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: are like dumb, frank frankly to be plain to be frank, Like, 261 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: it's not it's not smart, you know, it's ignorant. There 262 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: is this quote that circulates on Twitter every so often, 263 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: and that's this is why I'm saying dumb, and the 264 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: quote is I do not support all women, some of 265 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: you are very dumb, very very dumb at best misinformed, 266 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, very misinformed, very misinformed. What's 267 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: interesting to me is like and of course this brings 268 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: up the whole notion of like pick me's who will 269 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: like throw women under the bus for any and every reason, 270 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: does not matter. What it is is to like appeal 271 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: to men, right to be liked by men. And what 272 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 1: you're also talking about with Andrew Tate is just this 273 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: ongoing reality. I mean, it's just almost like it's like 274 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: it's like a circus how this happens every so often 275 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: man does terrible, awful, horrible bad things where there's lots 276 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: of evidence, documented, photo, video, phone call reports, witnesses, violence, 277 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,959 Speaker 1: what have you. And he's never been more popular. I 278 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: mean Takashi six nine to Johnny Depp to r Kelly 279 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: to Tory Lanes, I mean, the list is just NonStop, 280 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: on and on and on and on and on. It's 281 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: almost a guarantee to boost your popularity if you are 282 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: literally hurting women, or at least talking about hurting women 283 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: or talking badly about women, Like all the women who 284 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: aren't talking to you, all the women who are like yeah, 285 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: like feminism is only about bashing men. Why are you 286 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: so happy about the men bashing them in? Then if 287 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: you don't like the bashing, then why are you so 288 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: supportive of the men not only verbally bashing but physically harming? 289 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: Like what is I don't understand? I mean it's hatred 290 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: of women. I mean it's misogyny. We know that, but 291 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: it's still like why and how do you get there? 292 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:24,959 Speaker 1: And I'm going to say something, Okay, I love obviously, 293 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: d I y Indie do it. Everyone should do and 294 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,239 Speaker 1: what they want to do. But I also think like 295 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: we're also at a point where because there's misinformation, not 296 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: enough media literacy, not not enough indie publications in general 297 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: that produced real news, fact checked, ethical news. Lots of 298 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: people have their TikTok podcast, lots of people have their 299 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: chat cast, lots of people have a blog or an 300 00:18:55,760 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: Instagram page, and they're circulating the misinformation. And so I 301 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: think that that's just all connected and why we have 302 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: women talking about you know, men are supposed to go 303 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: out in the world and they're stronger, and they're supposed 304 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: to go do what they need to do to earn money, 305 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: and like we're naturally mothers and so we can be 306 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 1: at home with them verbatim. So I have my issues. 307 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: I have my issues with that. It's like, the access 308 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: is important, but what are you doing with it that's 309 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: actually positive in the world, end uplifting and educating people 310 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: Like not everything needs to be educational, but it needs 311 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: to be like grounded in some truth and reality please 312 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 1: a little bit. Like you said, Inde d i y, 313 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: some of the greatest artists like ever have come from 314 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: an Indeed d i y sort of background, just cutting 315 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: it in the garage, recording it at home, putting it 316 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: out by yourself. We come from that tradition. We also 317 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: scrutinize ourselves a lot. We also like, yes there's an 318 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 1: improvisational side, Yes there's a chit chat side, Yes there's 319 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 1: a fun side. But we also like, over the years, 320 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: we really scrutinize ourselves very heavily, and we don't put 321 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: everything out and we stop ourselves all the time, and 322 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: not all of our ideas are good ideas, and not 323 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: all all of our thoughts need to be shared. We 324 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 1: seek to learn and to do research and to talk 325 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: to people and to like expand our horizons. And I 326 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: think that that's an important thing that is often missing 327 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: from this podcast space, you know. And I want to 328 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: add to that because I know I did start with 329 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: the indie but it's also not just indians, like Joe 330 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: Rogan has a podcast on Spotify. Oh yeah, and we've 331 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: all seen you know that horrific drama unfold, right, and 332 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: so it's also the it's also network podcast. It's established 333 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 1: influencers what have you, that have their shows that are 334 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: spreading misinformation and just regular people right like non influencers. 335 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: But I think, yeah, there has to be like a 336 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: level like some standards, and it's super problematic, Like it's problematic, 337 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: it's misogynistic, and it also just makes me sad and 338 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: bored because it's like, bro, are you guys still talking 339 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: about this same should men do this and women do that? 340 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: Or should men do this and women do this? Like 341 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: it's so boring you guys, Like what else? What else 342 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: is out there? And I don't want y'all to think 343 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: that we're just talking about like you guys are just 344 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: criticizing gen zeers who are learning about this and coming 345 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: to their own it's not it's not it's really not. 346 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: The people were not naming, but we've seen older been around, 347 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: they're old enough to know and to get access so annoying. 348 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: It's so boring. It's boring, it boring, and it's not 349 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: gen z at all. And we're very conscious of not criticizing, 350 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: critiquing gen z ears and TikTok ers because we don't 351 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: want to be old heads like. But at the same time, 352 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: there is bulls at the same time. Yes, we have 353 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: a whole episode on that, on the Purity Culture episode. Yeah. 354 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the flip side, but something 355 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: I have seen online is, you know, a lot of 356 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: women now because of the nature of social media, also 357 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: sharing like loving being single, like their single life, they travel, 358 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: their income, their disposable income, who like the space they 359 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 1: have in their life for everything, for what they want right, 360 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: and then you see when it once it gets to 361 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: the wrong place in the internet, you see men say, oh, 362 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: ask me and tell me in twenty years how you 363 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: feel when you're all alone, you know, as if as 364 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: if that's how they're measuring their life and their future 365 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: and their success, right, And so much of it of 366 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: women that share that they don't want to have chill drain, 367 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: and that's their choice that they've made always comes back to, oh, 368 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: but who's going to take care of you when you're older, 369 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: as if that's a reason to have children, right, and 370 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: also fascinating because men do that. They dangle that like, well, 371 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: we're going to be unmarried and an unmarried old lady 372 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: and I and to that, I say, like, honestly, like, 373 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: really take an accounting of your circle and your community 374 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: and the old people that you know, name the old 375 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: women who are like happily married and thriving, who are 376 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: being taken care of? I don't know any because to 377 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: be honest, when I think of like my elders, right, 378 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: many of them are divorced, you know. Oh yeah, And 379 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: I think that you find community, and I mean community 380 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: in the little sense, like people to take care of you, 381 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: People that you're helping you live, right, that are just 382 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: taking care of you. You're in community with, right, you 383 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: find those people. It doesn't need to be a spouse. 384 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: It doesn't need to be children either, you know. That's 385 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: why you'd have friends, Like, that's why you have people, 386 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: That's why you have communities, why you should foster relationships 387 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: outside of spouses and children. It's just for women especially 388 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: who have been or could be married, to men like, 389 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: it's very literally dangerous to like only depend on a husband. Absolutely. 390 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: Feminism has shown us alternative options, not shown us alternative 391 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: options has built alternative options and access to those options 392 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: to those ramps again literally bank accounts and pants. Dude, Like, 393 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: let's just start with the basics, the basics, the very basics. 394 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: You know, that promise of being taken care of by 395 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: your husband, I don't see it fulfilled. As often as 396 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: we we hear about it, it's really not that common. 397 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: And I'm talking about old people, you know, Like, yes, 398 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,959 Speaker 1: of course, my parents are still married, are happily married. 399 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: They've been married for over thirty years. That's one couple. 400 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: There are a lot of people in the world. I 401 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,719 Speaker 1: feel like your parents are honestly an anomaly. They are 402 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: yours and my other best friend's parents, like like far 403 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: and few. There's not that many. And I'm going to 404 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: venture to say, if you do know people who have 405 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: been married for a very long time, is that where 406 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: you want to be in that dynamic? Actually think about 407 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: the dynamic and think about the relationship and actually break 408 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: it down. And if you're a woman, is that literally 409 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,719 Speaker 1: where you want to be? I think I am actively 410 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: trying to see what married means for me. Oh, totally, 411 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 1: it's different for literally every couple. I'm like, we are 412 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: not a traditional couple, and I will continue to be 413 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: my feminist self. We said it in our vows. It 414 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,719 Speaker 1: was literally in the we both did and you know, 415 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: I'm just going to leave it at that, And that's 416 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 1: important because I feel so often what happens is like 417 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: someone gets married and it becomes you gotta get married, 418 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: you know. And the other pieces were also not telling 419 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: women not to get married. That's also not what we're 420 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: saying because marriage, family, love, building a home, tax benefits 421 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: the basics the important things, um marriage, sharing of resources, 422 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: which can also be a demonstration of love. And in 423 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: a capitalist society, if you can share your resources with 424 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: someone you love, you want to do that, right, Like 425 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: marriage like is not something we're also saying stay away from. 426 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: But it's like this anti feminist thing where it's like, 427 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: do not pursue justice and equality because what if you 428 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: can't get married? And again, all the like studies and 429 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: statistics and like write ups are out there about unequal 430 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,239 Speaker 1: division of labor, weaponized incompetence, weaponized in competence, which is 431 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: what which is when man pretends he doesn't know how 432 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: to do something a very basic thing washing dishes, usually 433 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: feminized labor, and he pretends he doesn't know how to 434 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 1: do it, he's incompetent, so that you take over and 435 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: do it. It's very common, very common, very very common. 436 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: And then if you're like the wife in this situation 437 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: then or the female partner, you're probably doing twice as 438 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: much work, like the work you would do just to 439 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: maintain yourself, now you are also taking care of your partner, 440 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: another human because they can't do it. And like something 441 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 1: else that we've talked about in previous episodes, you know, 442 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: our media landscape has changed a lot. When we started, 443 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: there wasn't as much video content as there is now 444 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: unless it was on YouTube, and TikTok wasn't even in 445 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: existence right and now it's very video heavy, video forward, 446 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 1: very influencer centered stuff. I feel like back then was 447 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: more like collectives and pages and projects, and now it's 448 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: individuals very much and videos drive media right now social media, 449 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: And like we've discussed in social in past episodes, we 450 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: put this this observation up against like the fact that 451 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,479 Speaker 1: so many TV shows get canceled and canned and then 452 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,479 Speaker 1: are not available to watch. Go to the the chronic 453 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: goals Hentified. You know these other shows that would otherwise 454 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 1: be like coming of age, like people grow up with 455 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 1: the characters, the characters discover themselves, identity development, interactions with 456 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: other people like we had growing up in the TV 457 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: shows we were watching, whether it's like Lazie McGuire or 458 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: Ravend Baxter the Cheetah Girls, they're having experiences about who 459 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: they are, their identities and how that relates to their 460 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: friends and their community and their parents and stuff. But 461 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: when shows like this now for the new gen, they're 462 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: not getting renewed, they're not available to watch anymore. Like 463 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: how do that element too? I think is missing? So like, okay, 464 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: we're we can follow influencers for years though, right you know, dang, 465 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: I think we've uncovered something else. Oh man, like these kids, 466 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: who are they going to be able to say? I mean, 467 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: maybe I'm out of the loop. Maybe I don't know, 468 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: but I wonder I think, yeah, I think that there 469 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: are TikTok stars that we don't know. We don't but 470 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: they're there, and so maybe those are the people. But 471 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: based on all the recent I mean very very new studies. Right, 472 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: TikTok is not old, but they're still predominantly white TikTok stars, right, 473 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: they get like there is something about the algorithm that 474 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: pushes that type of content. There's also pay inequity, pay 475 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: disparities on social media, and so it's it's yeah, it's 476 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: probably still like a certain type of person that's a 477 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: TikTok star that everybody knows, that everybody knows. Yes, yeah, 478 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: it's fascinating because I have you know, I have cousins 479 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: who are younger, and so what I've noticed is like 480 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: where I would have maybe as a kid, been a 481 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: big fan of like um, a character, a book series, something, 482 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: and if I had any merch of any kind or 483 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: maybe like a singer, right, or a girl group, Like 484 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: it was like entertainers who are professional entertainers who were 485 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: putting out these like works through studios or albums, like 486 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: you know, like it's we all knew who they were 487 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: and we were all tuning in, right. And so what's 488 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: interesting is that like for my cousins, their merchant stuff 489 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: is like YouTube stars, YouTubers, you know, tiktoker's, which is 490 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: not bad, it's just so vastly different. And because it's 491 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: vastly different than for me. That has to mean that 492 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: the relationship is different, Like the impact is different. Contrast 493 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: different relationship, right, because you feel like you know them, 494 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: whereas for us, we knew we didn't know Beyonce, like 495 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: we knew that we did not know Destiny's Child, Like 496 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: everything we saw was filtered through interviews that was on 497 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: public TV, MTV. Right, they were working, they were working, 498 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: they gave us. There was a limit as to what 499 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: we knew who. Yeah, Yeah, I think there's also a 500 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: greater likelihood that if your idols and the people you 501 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: grow up with, our influencers and like regular regulars, like, 502 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: there's probably a greater chance that like they're going to 503 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: disappoint you, right, or they can't deliver in some ways, 504 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I don't know, It's just 505 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: I feel like this is a whole extended thing that 506 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: we can continue to dive into. Yeah. Yeah, I think 507 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: we're We're definitely going to keep tracking the feminist movement 508 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: and what it looks like now. I mean, is there 509 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: a collective movement? There are in some ways. Right. I'm 510 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: not going to say they don't exist, because they definitely do. Um, 511 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that, especially the way it shows 512 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: up in the digital space, is something that we're going 513 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: to continue to track. There's O. G s right like 514 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: Latin Our Rebels, Rodriguez, Mickey Kendall, Bad, the Monicana, actually 515 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: repressed in. There's so many. Um the list goes on, 516 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: like listen to any past episode. Um us you know 517 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: if that hasn't been clear. Yeah, we're feminists and we 518 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: like the title, and we keep it, keep it. This 519 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: is a feminist party. It is it always has been, 520 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: even though we're not included in this list. I don't 521 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: know why very sad bitch media folded. I will say 522 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: they never. They never profiled us. That was like on 523 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: my vision board for years, like I really want because 524 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,479 Speaker 1: to me, that was like a signal yes, you know, 525 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: not to say that we're not doing amazing things, but 526 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: in the feminist space, like I wanted us to be 527 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: recognized in that way. We were featured on Autostraddle once, 528 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: which was really exciting for me. Yeah. And publication, very 529 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: queer publication. We've gotten a lot of really fabulous press, 530 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: but we have noticed that the press tends to view 531 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: more on the side of like Latino Latin X and 532 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: the women's stuff is not, so they're not knocking on 533 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: our door as much, which is just a fascinating observation. Yeah. Well, 534 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: this was a lot to unpack, and we will continue 535 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: to do so in upcoming episodes. Thank you for tuning 536 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: into another episode of look at Radio. 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