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Speaker 1: No Chaser Today. I got the homie in the building.

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Speaker 1: to set this person enough to do the next thing.

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Speaker 1: And that's where I believe that we're going. And that's

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Speaker 1: what I believe it's going to happen. Ask And it's

432
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Speaker 1: also something to be said about playing games. In fact,

433
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Speaker 1: this week I will be one of the many things

434
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Speaker 1: I will be talking about it, particularly in our rally

435
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Speaker 1: for Pam Turner. Keep being prayer that I say the

436
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,679
Speaker 1: right thing, respectful thing, but you know it's gonna be disrespectful.

437
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 1: It's gonna go left when I get on Mike. But

438
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Speaker 1: you can steal prayer all that you can see him

439
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 1: pray for the best. But one of the things you

440
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Speaker 1: know that we talk about this game, because you're right,

441
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 1: I don't subscribe to that. You know. We love seeing

442
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Speaker 1: chance and not check. You know, there's one thing about

443
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 1: the game. And I'm gonna say this and wrap this up,

444
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 1: and and again I hate we're short on time today

445
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 1: because as you can see this conversation go on. I

446
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 1: love working with you. I love working with you, uh

447
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: and the entire team because one the humility that we

448
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 1: all bring to the table to learn from each other,

449
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 1: to challenge each other. People get it twisted. They think

450
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 1: that just because you see a bunch of people together,

451
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Speaker 1: they're all on the same page and everybody's great. No,

452
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Speaker 1: that's not it at all. I work with the crop

453
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Speaker 1: all the time and I am usually on the opposite side,

454
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Speaker 1: you know, of whatever it is that because he's a

455
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Speaker 1: goal on to get along all tests that said, every

456
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Speaker 1: we want everybody were together, all black people, and I'm

457
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Speaker 1: I'm always like, no being that ain't that ain't it?

458
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Speaker 1: You know? So what people don't understand is, uh, you know,

459
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Speaker 1: We're constantly pushing back. We're constantly, you know, saying how

460
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Speaker 1: do we make this better? And that's what I love

461
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Speaker 1: about working with you because one of the conversations we

462
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Speaker 1: had early on was the language again going back to

463
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Speaker 1: the language on the website, and it was talking about

464
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 1: black candidates, and I was like, West, but we also

465
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: got to make it really clear, it's not just about

466
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: black candidates. It's about black candidates that support blank policy

467
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: and people like testing you're absolutely right, and we let's

468
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Speaker 1: make sure that we put that on because we don't

469
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Speaker 1: want no confusion. And you immediately did that. And it's

470
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Speaker 1: not that you didn't understand that, because you understand it.

471
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Speaker 1: You lived it as an elected official. But sometimes what

472
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Speaker 1: I find what elected officials they assume that everybody knows,

473
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Speaker 1: you know, everybody knows the direction you're going in, everybody

474
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Speaker 1: understands the language. We had a big conference call last

475
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Speaker 1: night about this, you know, about the George we of

476
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Speaker 1: justin Police and acting returning crop and said, you know, well,

477
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Speaker 1: if they study politics, they'll know, you know, uh to

478
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Speaker 1: fifty two is amended, said, but they're not doing that.

479
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Speaker 1: And the Democratic it does a pits poor job of

480
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Speaker 1: educating people. All they know is you guys talked about

481
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Speaker 1: qualified immunity. Bottom. It was over millions and millions of

482
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Speaker 1: articles about qualified immunity. So you can't bring me. You

483
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 1: can't come to the table and say I'm gonna give

484
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Speaker 1: you the best chicken dinner with two sides Coast law

485
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Speaker 1: green beans, and sell me that the chicken is the

486
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Speaker 1: most important thing of the meal. And then when the

487
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: meal comes say, oh, the chicken is not here, but

488
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: what about the coast law. Oh, but the coast law

489
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: is just as good. No, you told you sold me

490
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Speaker 1: on the chicken. So even though two fifty two, which

491
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: is very important because it actually allows an easier opportunity

492
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Speaker 1: to prosecute police on criminal charge, which is a good thing. Actually,

493
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Speaker 1: probably in some respects you made better than immunity or

494
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Speaker 1: equal to. But that's not the point. West. The point

495
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Speaker 1: is you sold us on qualified immunity. I was sitting

496
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Speaker 1: right behind Attorney Crop when we went and spoke with

497
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Speaker 1: Congressional hearing Joe Biden. You constantly bring up Gianna uh

498
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Speaker 1: Floyd's name constantly, I promised Johanna. I probably you did

499
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Speaker 1: it in every damn speech. So the nerve of you

500
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Speaker 1: to try to switch the argument. This is the issue

501
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Speaker 1: I have with Jim Claver. It's not even the issue

502
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Speaker 1: if Republicans don't pass, because I expect Republicans do. Republicans

503
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Speaker 1: don't do they hold it down for they team. We

504
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 1: don't the ones that compromise. So I'm not confused about

505
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Speaker 1: Republicans doing Republicans do. The issue I have west is

506
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Speaker 1: the fact that Jim Cladburn took it upon himself. Nobody

507
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,719
Speaker 1: asked you to do this, Jim, you took it upon yourself.

508
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Speaker 1: You have the after blue to talk about number one,

509
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Speaker 1: the Senate, you're in the car, you're in the House

510
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Speaker 1: of Representatives, so you're not even a part of this.

511
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Speaker 1: So somebody has to ask why would Representative Claidburn go

512
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Speaker 1: out of your way to come out and prepare people,

513
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Speaker 1: ultimately for a letdown? That to us signals for our

514
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Speaker 1: generation signals, cover up signals, bamboos, uh signals, step and

515
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Speaker 1: fetch signals, hoodwink. That's what that signals, even if it's

516
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Speaker 1: not true, because you came out and said, well, you know,

517
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Speaker 1: it's not all about that, it's about good apples and

518
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Speaker 1: bad up. No, man, we're talking about the whole damn tree.

519
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Speaker 1: We're talking about the root of the tree. We're talking

520
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Speaker 1: about Joe Biden saying he wants to heal America. Well,

521
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Speaker 1: according to sister Linza Vanzette on Breakfast Club a couple

522
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Speaker 1: of weeks ago, you can only heal when you get

523
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Speaker 1: it from the route. And so we are not pulling

524
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: the whole damn tree up. Not talking about good apples batter.

525
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: This is not about fruit that's gone bad. This is

526
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: about an entire systematic system. So because Clapper and said

527
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: that and then two weeks ago saying America is not racist,

528
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: we're looking at you side I, Jim, because you constantly

529
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: keep coming out, you flip the whole election to Joe Biden.

530
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: Let's be honest about it. Once he came out and

531
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: said that's right. So let's stop bullshitting this. Let's stop

532
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 1: bullshitting and thinking you can talk over people's head and

533
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Speaker 1: think we're gonna get confused about the coast law on

534
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Speaker 1: the green Beans. I use that analogy because I want people,

535
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 1: not because I'm trying to minimize people. But I don't

536
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 1: like using a whole bunch of language that people can't understand.

537
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: Everybody's been sitting at the table and the way to

538
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: come out and say, oh, man, I got this bomb,

539
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: this and it, and then you come out and say, oh,

540
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: we're out of it, but this is just as good.

541
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Speaker 1: If it was just as good, you would have sold

542
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Speaker 1: the coastal at the beginning. You were said the coast

543
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: are off the rip. So the Democrats should have said

544
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: the coast law of the beans and the chicken is

545
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: all equally good, and whatever we get on the plate

546
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Speaker 1: is a win. See that's their fault. Wes not my

547
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: fault to clean it up. Call your hands out, you

548
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 1: should have said at all. But see you didn't want

549
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: to do that. You wanted to take one issue and

550
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: make it about one issue. And so since now you

551
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: can't get that, here we are. And then and check

552
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: out the excuse they told me West. You know, just

553
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: talking to people behind the scenes, I'm sure you've had conversations, well,

554
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: we don't want to talk about two figures two because

555
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: we didn't think we was gonna get it. Well, y'a

556
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: said you were don't get qualified community, did you up right?

557
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: I'm so frustrated. I'm so frustrated, just honestly, with to

558
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: a certain intent. It seems like self sabotage. And you

559
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: know I'm not here to harper one Congressman claud Burn because,

560
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: like I said, that's that's my homie I got love for.

561
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: We went to the same school. Whenever I'm in Southcombing

562
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I'm gonna be there and I'm

563
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: not mistake. But it's not a bad person. But it

564
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: ain't about like, it ain't about none of that. Yo. Right,

565
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: it's right and wrong, it's wrong. And I think this

566
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,719
Speaker 1: is even more reason one a couple of things. This

567
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: is why a lot of younger folks don't want to

568
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: go into politics because they see the bullshit like you

569
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 1: promised me this, You said you were gonna do X,

570
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: Y and Z, and then you just didn't do it,

571
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: and then you came out against it. That's why a

572
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: lot of folks are like, oh man, all of y'all

573
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: are this or y'all that, I don't want to get

574
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: involved in it. And then secondly, when we're talking about

575
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: black folks getting are just specifically black folks and in

576
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: a place where people know that we've been treated unjustly.

577
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: We know that this nation is racist, We know that

578
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: this nation is built on white supremacy. We still go

579
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: above and beyond when there's none of you of your business,

580
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: none of your business, it ain't your place to speak on.

581
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: But you decide to evoke yourself and started in in

582
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: a conversation that goes against all of the work of

583
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Speaker 1: people who have been on the ground trying to educate

584
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: and get our folks to work, and then give the

585
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: Senate an easy way out to to stop and prove

586
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: him a justice. It's just it's just really really messed up.

587
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: But can we stop acting like they don't know what

588
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: they're doing? I mean, that's the problem I'm having. Can

589
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: we stop acting like kind? Vice President Harris, one of

590
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: the strongest prosecutors in the country, doesn't understand intent. If

591
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: there's one thing and prosecute understands is intent. No, I

592
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: have an issue with Oh you know I had to

593
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: answer that way because No, you didn't have to even

594
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: address it at all. You could have consumed this to

595
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: the second part of your your your your message and

596
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: said we need to address the things on racism. Hey,

597
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: I'm on TV all the time. You can't convince me.

598
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: I get asked questions all the time at FO to news.

599
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:25,959
Speaker 1: I give them the answer. I want to give them.

600
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: I don't get just be cause you asked me something,

601
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: don't mean I give you. I'll tell you what you

602
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: want to know. Sometime they ask me something, I don't

603
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: answer it at all. I go on a whole another

604
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: direction in two winutes and twenty seconds. So to sit

605
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: up here and act like there's something they're so confused

606
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: and oh you know they had to say it this way.

607
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: No you didn't. You don't have the same anything at all.

608
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: There's something called declining interviews. There's something called not speaking

609
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: on ship. We didn't heard from Corey books. He's still alive.

610
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: I don't know worries, but I get I guess he's

611
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: not speaking at all because he don't want to get

612
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: in a twist. But but you need to speak Corey

613
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: Brook the same way. You something, how you grew up

614
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: in the hood and you know people and whatever. I'm

615
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: gonna lead at there. I'm gonna leave at there, pick

616
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: will we'll pick that up later because I'm I'm gonna

617
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: know we're all it, Page and warn, Page, Paige and Court.

618
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,239
Speaker 1: Where is all these people that was running? But we'll

619
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: get to that on the next episode. Chase. But if

620
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: you can't, if you can't push this. Shut your ass up.

621
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out why did you go out

622
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: your weight? Really, I'm not trying to figure I know

623
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: the answer. I'm just trying to impair people to figure

624
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: out why is it that you're going out of your way?

625
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: It's no other reason. It's but to call cover. And

626
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: that's why I don't want to be friends with nobody.

627
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: You know what I hear piss because I heard you

628
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: and you and my sister to make good in Charlottagne

629
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Speaker 1: the home. You know, they always kind of preface it up.

630
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: You know, I don't have a problem with Jim. We're

631
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: the homie, but I gotta call him out. Well, guess what, Jim,

632
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, you not gonna know you don't want

633
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: to meet you, You're not the homie. I'm just gonna

634
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: call you out. Because that's why it's important that we

635
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: ain't all meeting everybody. Some people gotta meet closer, some

636
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: people gotta and that way where you can go tell them.

637
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: You know how, it's above me now, Jim, it's above

638
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: me now. Finding squad is on it, now, Terence is

639
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: on it, and then maybe they can talk to you.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Then maybe they can talk to West. Maybe

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Speaker 1: I said, gonna talk to West then, because at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, my commissioner in Orlando, they would

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Speaker 1: always call the commission Reginia Hills. She saying, hey, tell

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Speaker 1: us you grown I can't tell grown folks what to do.

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to meet him. And this is

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Speaker 1: why I want to meet him, because I don't want

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Speaker 1: to know confusion, not saying that you guys are compromised,

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Speaker 1: because I double respect the fact that you know these

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Speaker 1: people and still calling them out, still call them out.

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Speaker 1: But for me, I don't want to meet you, sir.

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Speaker 1: Because a matter of fact, we went to the march.

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Speaker 1: When we went to d C to do that comgressional hearing,

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Speaker 1: it was so funny because they kept trying to get

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Speaker 1: me in the picture, uh with Senator Harris. At the time,

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Speaker 1: I was with the Floyd family and being a getting

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Speaker 1: the picture, get a pass sounds cool. I'll just take

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Speaker 1: the picture. It's cool. We had had a great conversation

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Speaker 1: with her, you know, very pleasant. Worked on the campaign

659
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Speaker 1: trail with Bernie Sanders. Never took a selfie because I

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Speaker 1: don't never want no confusion about where I stand on nothing.

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Speaker 1: Because when I come for your ass. You don't want

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Speaker 1: no confusion on who's the homie the people out of homie.

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Speaker 1: That's as far as i'm They're not saying they're there

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Speaker 1: for you, you know, on everybody else. But I just

665
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Speaker 1: think that's important that we have people on all side,

666
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Speaker 1: you know, working every angle of this. I think I

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Speaker 1: think your last point is is incredibly pointing. Yo. We

668
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Speaker 1: have to have all of us working at all angles.

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Speaker 1: But collectively, right is right and wrong is wrong. And

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Speaker 1: no matter the amount of respect that I have for you,

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Speaker 1: I have to be willing to say, Yo, you were

672
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Speaker 1: wrong on this and that was messed up, Like I

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Speaker 1: would hope that you would do that for me, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like if I'm if I'm straight

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Speaker 1: up wrong and I'm and I'm in the way of something,

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00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: say yo, West, put me to the stuff. However, Yo, West,

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Speaker 1: you got tightened up because this that wasn't right, and

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Speaker 1: and from comngressmen Conbrunce perspective and not just him as

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Speaker 1: you alluded to, Where's where's the little West senator warrant?

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Speaker 1: Where is uh? You know, these twenty seven candidates who

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Speaker 1: ran for president who talked about back lives matter, who

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Speaker 1: talked about the need for social equity and equality, where

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Speaker 1: y'all specifically in regards to this issue right now, in

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Speaker 1: this particular moment, because qualified immunity is is within a

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Speaker 1: grasp of all of our hands. But I think that's

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Speaker 1: on the federal level. On the state level, though, says,

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Speaker 1: it also was important for us to call out the

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Speaker 1: fact that there are a multitude of states within the

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Speaker 1: United States of America to have a democratic governor, democratic House,

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Speaker 1: democratic Senate. Virginia is one of one one of which

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Speaker 1: who did not pass qualified immunity this year. If it

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Speaker 1: can happen in Colorado, if it can happen in New Mexico,

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Speaker 1: why can't a place like Virginia, which is supposed to

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Speaker 1: be one of the more progressive places. But we're trying

695
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Speaker 1: to remove ourselves from the old lineage and history of

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Speaker 1: the Confederacy, and we all talk about black lives matter

697
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Speaker 1: so much, why was it that those same individuals, specifically

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Speaker 1: white people and even in fact some black volk who

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Speaker 1: are in the Senate as well as the House, refused

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Speaker 1: to pass laws on the state level to remove qualified immunity.

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Speaker 1: It's unacceptable and we have to be imputing to have

702
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Speaker 1: these uncomfortable conversations. It's say, if you want my vote

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Speaker 1: moving forward, if you want my support, I'm not here

704
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 1: just to take an Instagram picture with you. I'm not

705
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Speaker 1: just here to get a tweet and be mentioned. I

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Speaker 1: want policy. And that's the political power that our black

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Speaker 1: parties look build up the police again, make sure you

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Speaker 1: joined us tapping in. We're in eleven different states right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you you off the chain. We gotta wrap up. But

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Speaker 1: I this was so powerful. I'm looking at people don't know,

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Speaker 1: we're looking at each other's zoom and I'm I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at my producer Marcy, she's my our audience. She's she

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Speaker 1: snaps her fingers and I look at when I know

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Speaker 1: we're gonna point and she even snapping this whole time,

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Speaker 1: because this is just this is encouraging, you know, to

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Speaker 1: to to her and people like her who actually joined

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00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 1: this podcast to work with me because of my mission,

718
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: but was very doubtful of politics for this reason, for

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Speaker 1: this reason, particularly when it comes to the local and

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Speaker 1: state levels, when she's very much involved in the local level.

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Speaker 1: But to hear, I know, this is just music. So

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Speaker 1: she's a DJ, so it's literally music to our ears

723
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: because hearing this conversation from somebody being elected, it's just

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Speaker 1: something we don't see. And and this is why it

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00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: is so important for me to lend my talent. When

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Speaker 1: I say talent, I'm not talking about just on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: You know, behind the scenes, work well, you guys, to

728
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Speaker 1: make sure you know these voice are elevated. Because it's

729
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: not about beating up a Democrat, you know, and that's

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00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: what they here are beating up democrat. No, it's about

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Speaker 1: talking to my man that I'm sleeping with, that married me,

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Speaker 1: that said he was going to provide for me. That's

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Speaker 1: what it's about. It's about challenging my child. And when

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Speaker 1: she goes to school. Can't tell me what everybody else did.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to know what you did. Don't matter.

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Speaker 1: Everybody else did the same thing. What about the Republicans? Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's fine, but what about you? And so on the

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Speaker 1: state level, anybody who was raised by half of Mama

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00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: lived by that rule. So either we're not applying that

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Speaker 1: to politics, or we're confused on how this ship works.

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Speaker 1: But it's about those who represent us. So I expect

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00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: us to challenge on the local and state and when

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Speaker 1: you talk about California, one of mostly progressive states in

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Speaker 1: the country that refused to pass any type of medicare foria.

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00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: So that's right. So at some point we gotta started ask, Okay,

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Speaker 1: something ain't adding up about this. Let's let's take Biden

747
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: and Trump at the equation in the federal level. Let's

748
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: just deal with what's going on right here in Virginia,

749
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: right in California. When you start peeling that onion, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna really get a chance to see where people stand.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I look forward to you guys doing

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00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: and me helping it anyway. You know, I've told you

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00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: I dedicate I'm dedicating several hours, twenty plus hours a

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00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: month to you guys from labor on the back end

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00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: to work back in your pleasure. And I always appreciate

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00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: that West because you said, you know, Tess, what do

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00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: you want to do? How do you know? I said, no,

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00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: let's not get a twisted This is not about ego.

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00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: This is about working at your pleasure. That means whatever

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Speaker 1: you guys need, if it's administration, if it's picking up

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Speaker 1: the phone, if it's doing data work, you know, exhale,

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Speaker 1: She's not she's not lying. She she she's not capping

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Speaker 1: it all. Like Tess said that verbatim. If you just

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Speaker 1: need me to to do administrator stuff, I got this

765
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: amount of time, I'm gonna do it. And and we

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Speaker 1: appreciate you putting your your actions behind your words. And again,

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00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, you've been there with us from day one.

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Speaker 1: And I think I just said this last thing like

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Speaker 1: I said it a little bit earlier, But people don't

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Speaker 1: really understand the amount of work that you've put in

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Speaker 1: for the culture. You know, there's a lot of folks

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Speaker 1: who can capital they can get on television, they can

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Speaker 1: get on the radio and say they're gonna do X, Y,

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Speaker 1: Z and and when it's over with, they delegate that

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00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: work elsewhere, or you just don't hear from him, but

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00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: says always puts in the work. You text her, you

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00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: call her, you you say I just got an idea,

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Speaker 1: or can you help with X, Y and Z. She's

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Speaker 1: in and and And we appreciate you being in many

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Speaker 1: rooms speaking authentically on behalf of us. And that is

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00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: probably for me, what I appreciate the most, because you

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00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 1: are you are a Swiss army knife in a lot

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00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: of different rooms making sure that our voice is put

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Speaker 1: forward in a way that's digestible. Excuse me that that

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00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: people can digest no matter what level of playing field

786
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Speaker 1: that they're on. And I want to make sure you

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Speaker 1: get your flowers. So so thank you, thank you, brother.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you. I appreciate that. And it's always great

789
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Speaker 1: one we show, you know, black unity, black love, brothers

790
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: and sisters working together, because you don't hear that a lot.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of misconcept black women against black men.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell they talk about every circle.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we got brothers and sisters, you know, all

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00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: supporting each other. But again that's just people that don't

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Speaker 1: do the work. I'm I'm not above doing the work.

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Speaker 1: I will run my receipts on your ass the way

797
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: they like to play with these other commentators on TV.

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Speaker 1: Don't get to play with me. I'm getting comfortable talking

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Speaker 1: to West. I'm supposed to be wrapping up, but I

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Speaker 1: was just saying a little spill. Don't play with me

801
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,959
Speaker 1: like you play with other commentators, because I will running

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00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: receipts on your ass. Not only man, what I did

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Speaker 1: the last ten years. I'm talking about what I did yesterday,

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Speaker 1: what I did today and guess what, West, what's on

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Speaker 1: the schedule tomorrow? So I'm playing with me. This ain't

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Speaker 1: just on TV and podcast. I'm down there doing exceale paper.

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Speaker 1: We're at on the streets in the protests. Don't get

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Speaker 1: it it. I do that just to make sure I

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Speaker 1: can talk ship and separate myself above you know the talk.

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Speaker 1: No we walked talking. Run all it over here. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: you love you too, honey, you gotta come back. I

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Speaker 1: know we're going to have Tammy on because we certainly

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Speaker 1: want to talk about her perspective, you know, being imagined

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Speaker 1: to director Tammy Sawyer. We definitely want to have Candice on.

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Speaker 1: We want to have you on all the time, West,

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Speaker 1: like serious, like make this a part of your bi

817
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 1: weekly checking in something. This this has to be. It's

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00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: the state directors too, you know, let's rotate, you know,

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00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: saying hey, what are we doing in Florida, what are

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00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: they doing in Texas? Whatever, just to make sure that

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Speaker 1: we're utilizing every platform that we have, you know, to

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00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 1: get this message out because right now people asleep. And

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Speaker 1: I knew that was one of my fears, you know,

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Speaker 1: once that once the election was over, people go back

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Speaker 1: to sleep. And while we're sleeping, guess what Texas. Literally

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, the headline said, pass

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Speaker 1: the vote the vote of suppression laws in the mental

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Speaker 1: And that's key because we're always talking about woke and sleep.

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Speaker 1: The Lord had that that headline for a reason. In

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Speaker 1: the middle of night. Want you to know that why

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Speaker 1: you sleepy? They organizing and so it is up to

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Speaker 1: us to make sure that we continue to do the

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Speaker 1: work and keep our people bread. So please, guys, make

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Speaker 1: sure you definitely go visit our Black Party. Follow them

835
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Speaker 1: on Instagram, Twitter, everywhere. Follow Dr West Bellamy. Also check

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Speaker 1: out his book Monumental. I will definitely have you come

837
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: back as more than a statue so we can talk

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Speaker 1: about that and just thank you brother, love to you.

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Speaker 1: Taking care. You gotta how old is your daughter? Stokely

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Speaker 1: so total is one laylist thirteen MICHAELA is eleven in London?

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Speaker 1: Is eleven our number? That's amazing that like you us

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Speaker 1: on zoom calls with the baby and you. People just

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Speaker 1: don't know what the hell they're talking about when it

844
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Speaker 1: comes to the word. On top of doing five different

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Speaker 1: other jobs, that's what they don't think. This is like

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Speaker 1: job number six other stuff that really pay the bills

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Speaker 1: that I gotta do. That we gotta do the real stuff.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Well, I appreciate you. Thank you so much, guys,

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Speaker 1: thank you for listening straight Shot No Chasing. Use it.

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