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Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Girl.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to I Choose Me, the podcast all about

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Speaker 2: the choices we make, even the messy ones. So this

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Speaker 2: week I had an amazing conversation with Messi founder Ali Webb,

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Speaker 2: formerly of dry Bar. We've got some bonus messy content

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Speaker 2: talking about showing up in the world with intention and

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Speaker 2: embracing new methods for healthy and gorgeous hair. Let's jump

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Speaker 2: back in. So, say you want to be the change

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Speaker 2: in the world that you want to see in the world.

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Speaker 3: Right. I love that quote.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what are two tips about being the change? How

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Speaker 2: do you show up in the world every day to

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Speaker 2: be the change?

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Speaker 3: Be really kind to everybody, and remember everybody is going

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Speaker 3: through something hard. Is that one or two?

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Speaker 1: That's one? Okay?

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Speaker 3: And what else could I say? Have self awareness? Yes?

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine if everybody was like, you know, as

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Speaker 3: someone who's like I'm sure you try. You know, travel

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Speaker 3: a ton too, and like you're in an airport. I'm

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Speaker 3: always in fucking airports and people are talking so loud

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Speaker 3: and people are standing so close to it. Just be

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Speaker 3: I'm like, dude, come on, he is doing Yeah, nobody

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Speaker 3: wants to hear your conversation, like be aware of what

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Speaker 3: you know. And so I think I'm shocked, literally shocked

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Speaker 3: about how people show up a lot, and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I just don't want to be that person. I want

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Speaker 3: to be really self aware, I'm really respectful. And I

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Speaker 3: think that there is I talk about this a lot.

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Speaker 3: I think that there's a collective thing that happens here

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Speaker 3: where if like if you were just showing up as

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Speaker 3: the best version of yourself every day, just you, and

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Speaker 3: I was doing just me, and you know she was

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Speaker 3: doing just I was like everybody was just doing their

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Speaker 3: little part of being kind, gracious, self aware, you know,

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Speaker 3: seeing the best in people. Like what a better world

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Speaker 3: we live in. It's like people hold on I do

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Speaker 3: this morning meditation every day. That's like holding onto angers,

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Speaker 3: like holding onto a hot coal. You know, it's like

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Speaker 3: poisonous to you. Not every you know, it's like you're

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Speaker 3: you know, you're harming yourself. It's like yeah, you know,

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Speaker 3: but but then there is the collective piece of it

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Speaker 3: that like if you weren't doing that, how much better

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Speaker 3: the world would feel?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very powerful.

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Speaker 2: Part of your new brand is the rough, dry mass, Yes,

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Speaker 2: kind of the opposite idea of the blowout, which there's

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Speaker 2: certainly still room for sometimes, like you said, share what

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Speaker 2: the rough dry method is.

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Speaker 1: And how to do it.

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Speaker 3: So basically, it's like you get out of the shower,

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Speaker 3: you've just washed your hair, towel dry your hair, throw

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Speaker 3: some rough dry, messy cream in it. Then I put

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Speaker 3: it in before I comb out my hair, comb out

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Speaker 3: my hair. Then I kind of tussle my hair with

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Speaker 3: my fingers. I use a blow dryer just with my

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Speaker 3: fingers and the blow dryer no diffuser, no diffuser, okay,

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Speaker 3: just to get the moisture, like the moisture out of

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Speaker 3: my hair, to get it to to get it to damp. Okay,

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Speaker 3: it's not soaking wet. It's damp right, right or not?

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Speaker 3: You know, it's towel dried. Then it do stay away

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Speaker 3: from your roots. I stay away from my ends.

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Speaker 1: I do. I'm sorry on my roots, I said, you mean.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because like for me, and this is not the

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Speaker 3: case everybody, but I have very curly roots, so I'm

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Speaker 3: using my fingers to kind of stretch out my roots

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Speaker 3: so I don't get a lot of curl in my room.

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Speaker 3: So I think when you're a curly hair girl, that's

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Speaker 3: kind of the problem. But if you don't have that,

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Speaker 3: then you can just kind of rough dry everywhere and

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Speaker 3: you kind of get you learn how much is too

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Speaker 3: much and how much is too little, and you kind

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Speaker 3: of have to play around with it a few times.

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Speaker 3: I feel like and then you know, I always say,

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Speaker 3: I want my hair about thirty to forty percent dry,

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Speaker 3: so it's still very damp, so it'll still hold and

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Speaker 3: be pliable because it's still a little wet. So you

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Speaker 3: can still like manipulate the hair with more rough dry cream.

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Speaker 3: And I just take my hair and twist it all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did it today walking around my house.

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Speaker 3: Like go and if you have more, do more twists.

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Speaker 3: If you don't, it's fine. And if you have, like

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Speaker 2: Oh that's like the old school, like set the hair,

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Speaker 2: set the hair and let it rest and see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's so good.

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Speaker 3: And the thing is, it's trying twists. Yeah, if it

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Speaker 3: dries in the twists, it stays in the twist, and

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Speaker 3: so it dries in this like twist, and then once

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Speaker 3: it's completely dry, you don't want to touch it till dry.

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Speaker 3: Once it's completely dry, then you get your fingers in

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Speaker 3: it and open it up and it's it's set in

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Speaker 3: and so you don't get the frizz. And that's the

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Speaker 3: thing about the ref Ji cream too. It's very anti frizz,

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Speaker 3: so you're getting yours really helping eliminate frizz.

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Speaker 2: I love it. It's it's actually so sort of freeing.

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Speaker 2: It is very free. Yeah, very free.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's the thing for me. I'm like, what

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Speaker 3: even wash my hair every day. I'll just take, you know, water,

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Speaker 3: Like today I didn't wash my hair. I just take

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Speaker 1: How many days can you go without washing your hair?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I love that.

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Speaker 3: And then and then but the days that I am

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the world is pretty messy right now. I

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Speaker 2: mean you think it's always pretty messy, but right now

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Speaker 2: especially two things you do each and every day to

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Speaker 3: So I would say ninety percent of the time. I

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Speaker 3: feel like it's hard to be one hundred percent and

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Speaker 3: I just got to give yourself a little Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: I really try to. Like I'm not a super religious person,

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Speaker 1: Didn't being a business owner.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like all the things I look on my

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Speaker 3: I'll be like, okay, I'm good, there's nothing I need

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Speaker 3: pressing here. Then I'll do like a morning meditation. I

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I do it when I'm walking my dog. Sometimes

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Speaker 3: I do it when I'm still in bed.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I kind of don't prescribe to like I have to

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Speaker 3: sure some people would come after me for that. But

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Speaker 3: I like this. I like to I like to make

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Speaker 3: my coffee. I love walking my dog. I walk my

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Speaker 3: dog like endlessly several times a day. And I but

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Speaker 3: that's the first thing I do in the morning is

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Speaker 3: listen to them like a gratitude meditation.

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Speaker 1: Gratitude is the key.

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Speaker 3: Gratitude is the key.

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Speaker 2: Okay, if someone has a business idea but they're not

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Speaker 3: Business, yeah, I can't say I'm blame you.

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Speaker 1: What would you say?

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Speaker 2: Are the things a person has to have to be

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Speaker 2: an entrepreneur two or three? You know, on top of

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Speaker 2: having a great idea, Like, what are the things that

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Speaker 3: I think you have to recognize what you're good at

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean in Drybar, I wasn't the CEO,

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Speaker 3: it's like I heard the analogy once it's like five

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Speaker 1: It's like it's not getting the ball in the net.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's like, you know, bringing people who are

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Speaker 3: I also heard somebody say once that as the CEO

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Speaker 3: like I serve you my team. What do you need

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Speaker 3: for the company and the brand, not that they're scared

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Speaker 3: And I was like, oh right, you know, and I

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Speaker 3: the decisiveness that I have that I'm just like, what

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Speaker 3: like wait, let me listen.

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Speaker 1: Hear them out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had somebody's tell me before that people were

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Speaker 3: Yeah. It doesn't feel very good, and it completely contradicts

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Speaker 3: the other thing I just said of like have self awareness.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's like be kind, be good, you know,

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Speaker 3: and I just really want to be kind and good.

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Speaker 3: You've developed that though, Yeah, I did develop that because

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Speaker 1: No, it's exhausting.

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Speaker 3: It is exhausting. It's it's yes, it's like riddled with stress, yeah, worry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're carrying everything yeah, all the time and

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Speaker 1: you don't really have to right. Okay.

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Speaker 2: To end our bonus episode, you talk about not getting lucky,

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Speaker 2: intentional for saying, today's day I'm going to choose me

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Speaker 1: Today's the day?

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Speaker 3: I think people, I think there's like the get out

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Speaker 3: It's like, I don't know, I'm afraid to make a

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Speaker 3: plan later. You know. I think that that is that's

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Speaker 1: Not do you like to jump into the deep end?

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Speaker 3: with details. I can't tell you how many like flights

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Speaker 1: I put myself in and out on the same day.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, that all the time. And it's just

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Speaker 3: you know. And and for my business, speaking of intentionality,

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Speaker 2: So you say, you think surrounding yourself with people that

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Speaker 3: People that compliment you, you know, people that are.

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Speaker 1: Like, I get your vision. I like your vision too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I want to support it and help build

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Speaker 1: With you, you know. Yeah, that makes all the difference, it

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Speaker 3: And and team is everything. You know, if you don't

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Speaker 3: it with you, you're that's not fun.

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Speaker 1: No, that sounds lonely.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and scary, scary and bad and it's just it implodes.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, it doesn't sound as rewarding as if you

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Speaker 3: It right with and like I love my team, Like

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Speaker 3: I have such a cool fun. We have so much fun.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's such a great team.

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Speaker 1: And how many people do have on your team right now?

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Speaker 3: Pretty bit ten? So more small.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's a small team. Yeah, but everybody's doing their part.

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Speaker 3: Even you know, it really lends itself to like we

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Speaker 3: if it's not fun, what are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Elevator pitch complete? That's that's the key. If it's not fun,

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Speaker 2: what are you doing? Oh my gosh, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: This was so fun. I could do this all day.

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Speaker 1: I love chatting with you. Let's go have lunch.

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Speaker 3: I know we should