Speaker 1: I am all in, kiss you, I am all in
Speaker 1: with Scott Patterson and I heart radio podcast. Hey everybody,
Speaker 1: Scott Patterson, we are really excited to talk with this
Speaker 1: very special guest. Uh. He's a massive guest and I
Speaker 1: think you're all going to be very pleased. Um. We
Speaker 1: are going to be talking with Chad Michael Murray who
Speaker 1: portrayed Tristan so beautifully. Uh. And as my under staying,
Speaker 1: this is the last time we're gonna see him in
Speaker 1: this episode, so uh that we're gonna drop after we
Speaker 1: dropped this episode. It's gonna be a runaway little boy.
Speaker 1: I think was his last episode unfortunately. Um. And we're
Speaker 1: gonna get to know Chad a little better and talk
Speaker 1: about a little behind the scenes stuff and his characterization,
Speaker 1: his impressions. To go more girls. Let's just bring him in.
Speaker 1: Can't wait. Buddy the man? How are you doing? Pal?
Speaker 1: And I'm living a dream man. You look good, you
Speaker 1: look better. I miss your face more. Have you have
Speaker 1: you been doing? An old Spice said that you just
Speaker 1: came back from You look very manly. You look very
Speaker 1: old spicy. Well, you know, I appreciate it. We did
Speaker 1: we we did have November. Um, no, no, No, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a combination of things. Actually had surgery about
Speaker 1: a month ago. Yeah, I did kind of turn it down,
Speaker 1: turn everything off, and I had my I tore the
Speaker 1: labor off my and my hip off the bone. Now,
Speaker 1: how did you do that interval sprints? Oh? God, oh man,
Speaker 1: you know I almost did that same thing lifting weights. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know how. I mean, I didn't quite have to
Speaker 1: have surgery, but I know what that feels like. God
Speaker 1: darn it. So I made it. I made a promise
Speaker 1: to myself. I'm not said I'm not shaving until I
Speaker 1: can run again. It works, man, it works, It's working huge.
Speaker 1: You're looking very you know, spicy. Well, it's the season.
Speaker 1: So tomorrow, believe it or not, this entire thing, all
Speaker 1: of this will be white story. What. Yeah, I'm taking
Speaker 1: the kids out and uh, we're gonna, you know, show
Speaker 1: them about giving back. And so I'm I'm Santa Jr.
Speaker 1: I'm not old enough to be Santa just yet, Santa Jr.
Speaker 1: And you know, I had the great privilege of working
Speaker 1: with Sarah, your wife. She played my daughter. I adore hers.
Speaker 1: She played my daughter in the event two thousand and
Speaker 1: ten at NBC, that big Events series that The UH
Speaker 1: went a year and then I didn't get renewed, but
Speaker 1: I got to work for Sarah and I'm so glad
Speaker 1: you guys are together and you have two children, and
Speaker 1: isn't that wonderful? That's just wonderful. I'm so blessed beyond man.
Speaker 1: She is, She's my rock. We do everything together, so
Speaker 1: wherever wherever work is, we go as a pack. The
Speaker 1: whole family goat right. And another thing, I wasn't aware
Speaker 1: of this, but my producers informed me that you had
Speaker 1: some very complimentary things to say about me. So I
Speaker 1: want to thank you for that that that is very nice.
Speaker 1: I compliment a lot of people all the time. I
Speaker 1: don't hear it so much about me, so it was
Speaker 1: really it's really nice to you here. You know, everybody
Speaker 1: I talked, everybody I talked things to say about you.
Speaker 1: You come in. You are luke man. You give love
Speaker 1: in a way and you're also able to receive it.
Speaker 1: But you're so humble and so kind. Like you felt
Speaker 1: like that really really cool uncle when Jared and I
Speaker 1: were there season one. For me, I was there season one,
Speaker 1: you felt like that really cool uncle. And then we
Speaker 1: did another project later on down the road and again
Speaker 1: you were just awesome. And every time I've ever crossed
Speaker 1: paths with you, man, You're just nothing but hug smiles
Speaker 1: and love and it just it goes a long way.
Speaker 1: But thank you, man. I really appreciate that. I had
Speaker 1: a wonderful time and you were you were you were
Speaker 1: great guys, and I was just happy to be there. Um,
Speaker 1: And you know, Jared was very uh, Jared had a
Speaker 1: lot of questions. I remember, young eighteen year old Jared
Speaker 1: had a lot of questions. And I did I remember
Speaker 1: taking I don't know that I took you under my
Speaker 1: wings so much, but I kind of did. Um. But
Speaker 1: Jared had a lot of questions and he was just
Speaker 1: so wide eyed. And I were you a little older
Speaker 1: than him when you came understan You were a couple
Speaker 1: of years older, right, a couple of years older. He
Speaker 1: came in Gilmore at seventeen. Remember he was right star
Speaker 1: in school, straight out of high school Choice Awards, straight
Speaker 1: into a show with boom, first audition, boom. It was
Speaker 1: like Alexis, remember Alexis up, well, she came out in
Speaker 1: y U. She was like what a freshman year? Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness. Alright, for me. I'd already, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of I've done a couple of gigs here and there,
Speaker 1: and I had screen tested for a couple of things,
Speaker 1: so I kind of knew a little bit, but I learned.
Speaker 1: I you know, I really sharpened my teeth a lot
Speaker 1: on that show. And that show is so very different
Speaker 1: than any other show that have been on even still
Speaker 1: to this day, because of how quick everything is and
Speaker 1: how there's no time for beats. There's no pauses, so
Speaker 1: you really have to rehearse at home to make sure
Speaker 1: that you're able to fill in those moments with the
Speaker 1: emotion that should have actually existed, even though you don't
Speaker 1: have time to play it out right. Yeah, made everybody
Speaker 1: felt like playing in the NFL. It's like the young
Speaker 1: quarterbacks out of college ago. This is too fast. It
Speaker 1: takes a couple of years, right, the thing that you
Speaker 1: can plead a pass without getting intercepted. But anyway, let's
Speaker 1: get into uh, your history with the show. Um, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need my spell X here we go, boom there. Jeez,
Speaker 1: you look even better now that I can see you.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Uh, this is called red standard. How
Speaker 1: old your boy boys? Six? Oh? Man? I have a
Speaker 1: seven year old. I have a seven year old boy,
Speaker 1: and it's just such a one I do. He's it's
Speaker 1: such a wonderful age. Oh my god, such a He's
Speaker 1: not a sports kid, No, No, he's more of a
Speaker 1: robotics math kid. He uh, he likes building stuff. He's
Speaker 1: obsessed with robotics. I have him in robotics camp and
Speaker 1: he's just kind of I don't know, it's like, I mean,
Speaker 1: he can do sports and I've taught him baseball and
Speaker 1: basketball all the stuff, and he's got a great arm,
Speaker 1: he's got all all the stuff, but he just doesn't
Speaker 1: want to do it so much, you know, And I'm
Speaker 1: not going to force him. I just you know, he's
Speaker 1: a great artist. He just one student of the month
Speaker 1: at is elementary school. And you know, I'm just kind
Speaker 1: of letting him follow his sort of talents and his
Speaker 1: passions and supporting that. So that's what you do. That's
Speaker 1: what you do, Scott. I love you just nursed her,
Speaker 1: you n I love it. Well, my point the same thing, hybrid.
Speaker 1: He loved building and he loves He's so good at
Speaker 1: school it's blows my mind. He's got a photographic memory
Speaker 1: and so forget forget anything that you try to cover
Speaker 1: up because he remembers what sports is, the where he's
Speaker 1: going now. Um, And he's just big. He's big, man.
Speaker 1: He's like, well, you're big. And Sarah's tall. She's five ten,
Speaker 1: isn't she five nine? Five tens? She's tall. Her dad's
Speaker 1: a giant. I'm the runt of the litter in my family.
Speaker 1: My brothers my like, my dad's six to. My brothers
Speaker 1: are six five, six four or six three dad six
Speaker 1: to mothers five eleven. But you're six to you're sick
Speaker 1: good six. I'm six one. I'm six one. I'm six one.
Speaker 1: My wife's tall. But Sarah's father, he's got that like
Speaker 1: his myke cabs are the size of his wrists and
Speaker 1: that's what our son has. And I can't even pick
Speaker 1: him up anymore. He's only six. Come on, he's a beast.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, it's so great. I love being a dad.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, congratulate your boy. I got your boy
Speaker 1: went when when we're out there in the world, we
Speaker 1: gotta make sure we link up, get the kids together. Absolutely, man, Um,
Speaker 1: what do you remember about the role of Tristan on
Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls? Do you remember about that we we just
Speaker 1: we you know, we we did an episode and we
Speaker 1: were so uh. I mean, I just love your character.
Speaker 1: I love that guy. I love Tristan, I really feel him.
Speaker 1: And that's such a tragic last line when you're going
Speaker 1: off to military school, when you say so long Mary.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was so filled with meaning and it's
Speaker 1: almost like you saying that you love her, and I
Speaker 1: just I can't say that to you now, but I
Speaker 1: want you to know that. But anyway, what do you
Speaker 1: what do you remember about that role? I always remember
Speaker 1: when I originally made notes, because I like to make
Speaker 1: notes on every script that I read, no matter what.
Speaker 1: And I just remember that I wanted him to be
Speaker 1: the guy that you didn't know if you should be
Speaker 1: close to him, but boil boy, did you want to be?
Speaker 1: And so I always wanted to keep everybody at arms distance,
Speaker 1: and so everything was a deflection, right, and everything that
Speaker 1: he did, which is a very you know, it's a
Speaker 1: typical stereotype that we see in in the world, right.
Speaker 1: We see this type of personality that is so damaged
Speaker 1: due to childhood trauma, you know, interestance cases, parenting, that
Speaker 1: you belittle others to make yourself feel good. Even though
Speaker 1: it's not doing any good and it's this vicious cycle
Speaker 1: of a downward spiral. Even though he's honest and true.
Speaker 1: Emotions were that he found her intriguing, he thought she
Speaker 1: was smart, intelligent, beautiful, and that he did love her. Um,
Speaker 1: he just didn't know how to voice his feelings because
Speaker 1: he wasn't raised in the family that it's such h
Speaker 1: that's what I remember about me. He's the guy that
Speaker 1: you want to be near, but I'm not sure I
Speaker 1: shouldn't right right, Well, Uh, mission accomplished there because that
Speaker 1: I feel that tension when I'm watching the character to
Speaker 1: push the poll. I'm attracted to him but repelled at
Speaker 1: the same time. And it's it's it's a very interesting
Speaker 1: and very difficult to pull off. It's a testament to
Speaker 1: your skills because that's really it's skills in front of
Speaker 1: a camera. Uh. When it comes down to it's fun
Speaker 1: Amy Amy, Amy crushed it. What can we say right right?
Speaker 1: When they serve up that kind of dialogue and those
Speaker 1: kinds of situations. You know, I'm not saying that it's
Speaker 1: easy to pull off, but it is just easier. You
Speaker 1: know that it's easy when it's when it's served up
Speaker 1: for you on a silver platter. It's easier to make
Speaker 1: a meal out of it, and you have a piece
Speaker 1: meal and you're going, Okay, Now, I got some work
Speaker 1: to do to assemble a B C D. And as
Speaker 1: I've gotten older, I mean it's been twenty two years
Speaker 1: now since I've been working in the industry, and uh,
Speaker 1: it gets easier as you get older. That's why I
Speaker 1: chose the career, because I knew the longer I was
Speaker 1: in it, the better I would get, the easier it
Speaker 1: would become, and therefore more fascinating to be involved in.
Speaker 1: Um what do you remember about that your first day
Speaker 1: on set? I'm sure it was nerves and tension. I
Speaker 1: don't wait, Scott when it comes to memories, oh did.
Speaker 1: I always felt when I was younger that like, we
Speaker 1: only have were like a computer, right, and you get
Speaker 1: the one terabyte system, you gotta upgrade two terabyte system.
Speaker 1: I feel like I was like somewhere around like the
Speaker 1: you know, thirty two gig iPhone. New information comes in
Speaker 1: and I blame I blame concussions to be completely too many.
Speaker 1: I played football for eleven years a boarding and I had,
Speaker 1: you know, a bunch of brothers and we beat the
Speaker 1: living snot out of each other. Growing up, My long
Speaker 1: term memory is kind of shot. How many brothers did
Speaker 1: you do you have? Uh? Uh, let's see, don't you remember?
Speaker 1: I'm working on it. So I have three natural and
Speaker 1: then I have a half another half brother. Then I
Speaker 1: have a step brother. Oh my god, I had three
Speaker 1: step brothers. Yeah, wow, yeah, I know what that's like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of fights. Yeah, alright, So let's I have
Speaker 1: a list of fan questions here, I'll go down. Let's
Speaker 1: see which one. Let's I'll try to cherry pick a
Speaker 1: couple of try to make a little easier. Do you
Speaker 1: think Tristan had true feelings for Rory? Yeah? Not even questions,
Speaker 1: not even question too. Um, what was it like working
Speaker 1: with her? Alexis someone Alexis she's uh man, she's like
Speaker 1: the ndon. You got to pull the layers back on.
Speaker 1: She can close off to everybody, and she's so well
Speaker 1: at walling everybody off right, and you peel the layers
Speaker 1: to get to the heart with her, and so, you know,
Speaker 1: it just depends on the type of personality you are
Speaker 1: and who you are and how trusting you are, and
Speaker 1: you better darn well be a trusting, good human being
Speaker 1: in order to appeal those layers back. And that's kind
Speaker 1: of that's what I noticed, And that was you know, gosh,
Speaker 1: it was twenty years still, so it was a long
Speaker 1: time ago, but that back then, that's what I that's
Speaker 1: what I recall. That is perceptive. That's very perceptive. I felt.
Speaker 1: I feel exactly the same way. Not that I would
Speaker 1: have verbalized it with such eloquence as you just did,
Speaker 1: but man, I agree, I agree with you. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I probably had a book I was reading off it
Speaker 1: was a cheat chee uh um. What would you have
Speaker 1: liked to see them explore more on the relationship or
Speaker 1: would you have liked to explore that relationship with them more?
Speaker 1: Because I think that's one of the things that I mean,
Speaker 1: it left me wanting so much more. When you exited
Speaker 1: that series, you were no longer there, so that relationship,
Speaker 1: to me, had the moment it was so fraught with potential. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and well they built that, they built it, and um,
Speaker 1: you know, I will take responsibilities on me um that
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think the true depth of that
Speaker 1: relationship evercame at fruition. It's on me, um. I don't know.
Speaker 1: There was an episode in season two where Tristan goes
Speaker 1: off to military school in North Carolina, i e. Being
Speaker 1: Dawson's Creek, i e. Being One Tree Hill where we
Speaker 1: shot in North Carolina. That was military school, my friend.
Speaker 1: So for me, it was, um, it was about just
Speaker 1: wanting as an actor, you know this, trying on different clothes,
Speaker 1: different costumes, different walks, different talks, different fields, getting up
Speaker 1: in the morning and having a fresh shirt. It's different, right,
Speaker 1: And sitting in the same character for too long can
Speaker 1: get stagnant, and we always forget how blessed we are
Speaker 1: when we're in those moments, right, because creatively you can
Speaker 1: get stifled. Not that the character was stifling, They did
Speaker 1: a great job. But I was so young that I
Speaker 1: needed to find out who Chat is? Who is Chat
Speaker 1: as an actor? Where can I go? What can I do?
Speaker 1: And you know it led to me discovering so much
Speaker 1: about myself that I genuinely wouldn't be the man I
Speaker 1: was today. Without making that decision, you know, I could
Speaker 1: have stayed there and spent six seasons on. So they
Speaker 1: offered you a full deal. Yeah, but yeah, we we
Speaker 1: had we had the discussion and for me, it was
Speaker 1: I had at the time, I had a deal with
Speaker 1: Warner Brooks. So I had gone let's say I moved
Speaker 1: out to in September and by January it felt like
Speaker 1: old Hollywood. I had a development deal with Warren Brothers.
Speaker 1: I screen tested for a pilot called Day One, and uh,
Speaker 1: I didn't get it. It went to Paul. Paul was
Speaker 1: a Luski, which is I forgot his real name or
Speaker 1: his new name. His name Paul Vampire Diaries, Paul Paul
Speaker 1: right right, right, right, right right, and he we we
Speaker 1: tested opposite. He got the pilot, and they gave me
Speaker 1: a development deal and said, all right, you're in house now,
Speaker 1: so you know when things would come through. They'd SENTI
Speaker 1: scripts I audition and Gilmore Gross was the first thing
Speaker 1: that came on this late. And so when the opportunity
Speaker 1: came through to stay on Gilmore and really see I
Speaker 1: just wanted to know more about me, and I said,
Speaker 1: you know, I'd love the opportunity to continue to look
Speaker 1: and find out what that thing is that is me.
Speaker 1: And one free Hill came around and there was the
Speaker 1: choice between Lucas and Nathan, and I remember that decision
Speaker 1: I had to make, and Nathan had a lot of
Speaker 1: trysting qualities in them on the Onetrey Hill. On Onetree Hill,
Speaker 1: Lucas was a moral compass and I hadn't played that
Speaker 1: yet at that point in my career. I was always
Speaker 1: playing the backway, whether it was Dawson's Creek, Gilmore Girls,
Speaker 1: whatever it was. And so I chose a more compass
Speaker 1: and I wanted to go a different round discover more
Speaker 1: about myself. And that's that's that's the truth, Scott. I
Speaker 1: laid it out for you and you're like sitting in
Speaker 1: the barber's chair. I just unveiled my step. Um. For
Speaker 1: those of you listening who do not know what a
Speaker 1: holding deal or a development deal, was it a holding
Speaker 1: deal A classic holding deal, right class golden deal? Yeah.
Speaker 1: So what that is is the studio will and they're
Speaker 1: very rare um. They think very highly of people if
Speaker 1: they give them a holding deal or a development deal
Speaker 1: is uh. And they're all different types of development deals
Speaker 1: with like major movie stars and they're far more complex.
Speaker 1: But a holding deal, UH with one of brothers for
Speaker 1: TV is they will pay you X amount of money
Speaker 1: over a certain period of time to stay in their stable.
Speaker 1: Um and they have the right of first refusal. You know.
Speaker 1: I think you can do other things, you just have
Speaker 1: to get permission, but not in that time frame. Uh yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think I was allowed to do like three
Speaker 1: guest episodes. Um, and if another pilot came up, they
Speaker 1: had to be aware of it and they could say
Speaker 1: you can't do it, you know, like BBS offered me
Speaker 1: a show. Then I'm owned by one of brothers. I
Speaker 1: was one of brothers. Basically awesome. I mean, what a
Speaker 1: We're a great compliment like to me, Warner Brothers is
Speaker 1: always the the epitome of like, that's where I want
Speaker 1: to be. I remember growing up and seeing the Warner
Speaker 1: Brothers logo, you know, and watching Looney Tunes and all
Speaker 1: those different shows and just seeing that. I remember the
Speaker 1: first time I walked on they can Walk Close a lot,
Speaker 1: I had felt like not so much that I made it,
Speaker 1: but it was a little bit of disbelief coming on.
Speaker 1: Like I'm on the Warner Brothers lot where so many
Speaker 1: iconic films, much was shot, So many stories could be
Speaker 1: told if these walls could talk, and remember we shot
Speaker 1: we filmed next to Friends are Set, so like so
Speaker 1: many things happened there, and I was so just blown
Speaker 1: away by one of those and still grateful to this
Speaker 1: day for the opportunity to come in and to make
Speaker 1: television and those plaques on the side of the sound
Speaker 1: stages where we shot. You know, we had a couple
Speaker 1: of different sound stages we use, but the one of them,
Speaker 1: the main one, was like, that's where they shot street
Speaker 1: car named Desire for God's Sake, and it's like, you're
Speaker 1: in there where Brando used to act, and it's like,
Speaker 1: you're kidding me, So yeah, it's it's it's quite something. Um,
Speaker 1: it's quite something. Uh it uh, all right, So the friction.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the friction. There was friction with your
Speaker 1: character with almost every other character. What were your experiences
Speaker 1: like with Paris lizoh Wheel What were those like? Because
Speaker 1: we talked about Paris on the show a lot, So
Speaker 1: what was your experience like her? Gosh, she was such
Speaker 1: a she had she was such an actress. I remember
Speaker 1: always feeling slightly intimidated by her. I don't know that's true.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but at the time, I definitely
Speaker 1: remember just feeling intimidated by her. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was because I don't necessarily know, but she kind
Speaker 1: of seemed like she came from a theater and trained background.
Speaker 1: It was a total character that she was putting on.
Speaker 1: It wasn't her playing any like random version of herself, right,
Speaker 1: So she was really delving in to get there, and
Speaker 1: it was intimidating and her words always landed. And as
Speaker 1: an actor, especially when you're just starting off and something
Speaker 1: hits you, you feel it. And so I remember just
Speaker 1: always feeling it when she sent the message. That's what
Speaker 1: I remember most. And she was great. Everyone was great
Speaker 1: on the girls were all everyone was so kind, And
Speaker 1: you know, I always felt like a fish out of
Speaker 1: water because I come in, I do one episode and
Speaker 1: then be gone for three. And then I come in
Speaker 1: and I do two episodes and I'll be gone for
Speaker 1: one and everyone else was kind of there the majority
Speaker 1: of the time season one, So it always felt like
Speaker 1: I just had to walk on. Then I used to
Speaker 1: make sure that I didn't step on any toad, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Um, here's a question from a
Speaker 1: fantas from Sarah and Tulsa, Oklahoma. Um, and this is
Speaker 1: a question I get a lot, you know how similar?
Speaker 1: What are the similarities between Luke and myself? What what
Speaker 1: are the similarities between you and Tristan any I mean
Speaker 1: when we delve delve earlier, we delved into the the
Speaker 1: psychosis of Tristan and how he likes to keep people
Speaker 1: at arms distance. And I would say that that's very
Speaker 1: true with me, especially more today. A um that is
Speaker 1: really built. Um, I built a layer of kind of
Speaker 1: scar to shortop scar to shortop of scar tissue where
Speaker 1: letting people in is much harder today. UM, I don't
Speaker 1: behave in the irrational sense that Tristan did, and that
Speaker 1: that's his youth, right and and some people never grow
Speaker 1: out of that. Some people do the work to get
Speaker 1: away from that, and UM, you know, I think that
Speaker 1: was part of my growing up, right. There was always
Speaker 1: a part of me that I think I would want
Speaker 1: to lash out at things that I was either envious
Speaker 1: u or jealous of, or whatever it may have been.
Speaker 1: I would think that there was definitely parts of me
Speaker 1: interesting as Tristan in me. But if I was to
Speaker 1: sit back and say, today, just keeping people at arms
Speaker 1: distance and not necessarily letting people in until you can
Speaker 1: really uncover like Alexis, and you peel that onion back
Speaker 1: and you go, now I know who you are. You
Speaker 1: know because Sarah always says this, and I love I
Speaker 1: love this about Sarah. You know, we took our time
Speaker 1: doing the whole courting thing because she's like, look, a
Speaker 1: leopard always shows spots. Eventually, you know you can. You can.
Speaker 1: You can fake it for only so long before you're
Speaker 1: going to start to show who you really are. And
Speaker 1: I love that patient approach instead of jumping into things.
Speaker 1: So that's where i'd say, underneath the surface, that's where
Speaker 1: Tristan and I agree. Not to mention we both have
Speaker 1: the same hair. You both do have great hair, that's
Speaker 1: for sure, the same. I didn't say great. I will
Speaker 1: look at me. I think I have good hair, but
Speaker 1: compared to you, I mean, look at those locks, like
Speaker 1: it was beautiful. Yeah, a little curler any more. And
Speaker 1: I don't even have a columb anymore. Who am I folding?
Speaker 1: You know? I use a cut just I don't. I've
Speaker 1: never used to colmb on my hair, calmb on my beard.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, he's a call on my shoulder hair.
Speaker 1: Uh can we talk anyway? Yeah? Do you think that?
Speaker 1: And here's this is from Margaret from Orlando, Florida. In
Speaker 1: your opinion, was Tristan rude or was he just misunderstood? Well,
Speaker 1: it was it was rude. There's there's no question about
Speaker 1: whether he was rude or not. Whether you misunderstood or not,
Speaker 1: you still have there's an action to a reaction, right,
Speaker 1: or there's a reaction to someone else's action. Just because
Speaker 1: he may or may not have act in a certain
Speaker 1: way doesn't mean it wasn't rude, even if he was misunderstood.
Speaker 1: So I think it's a combination of both. Was Tristan
Speaker 1: misunderstood and if you were to sit down with Tristan
Speaker 1: in like a scenario where he felt comfortable, I think
Speaker 1: you'd find now all sorts of things that nobody knew
Speaker 1: about him. You know, I guarantee his father and his
Speaker 1: mother were not in his life. I guarantee he was
Speaker 1: a rogue soldier that was moving down and every day
Speaker 1: he was told, how how lucky are you? I worked
Speaker 1: for everything I had? Look at you, You get it
Speaker 1: all gifted to you. You better show up, you better shine,
Speaker 1: you're you're you're you're a nasan the whole. No one
Speaker 1: gets all this stuff handed to him. I guarantee he
Speaker 1: lived that existence growing up. And if you knew someone
Speaker 1: in that position, then you can sympathize with them and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: he doesn't just have a silver spoon or the golden
Speaker 1: spoon up his you know what. He he's human and
Speaker 1: he was dealt these cards. But he also doesn't have
Speaker 1: real true love in his life. Now, if you ask
Speaker 1: me money, I love. It is a no brainer. Every time,
Speaker 1: it's love. Every time I tell people time and time again,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's birthday's Christmas is whatever it may be.
Speaker 1: Um or if I see like a big family and
Speaker 1: they like make an effort to come to convention and
Speaker 1: they drag someone over and you know they're crying, and
Speaker 1: I go, you know, this is fantastic, this opportunity that
Speaker 1: we're having. But you know, the greatest gift that you
Speaker 1: just received, there's no one that you would have loved.
Speaker 1: You was so loved. There's the greatest gift you can
Speaker 1: ever receive. Take it and run and carry that with
Speaker 1: you day and day and know that you would love.
Speaker 1: And I don't think Tristan had as much of that
Speaker 1: as we would have hoped for him. And that's why
Speaker 1: he lashed out, you know, out of insecurity, out of
Speaker 1: hope and hoping that he wasn't going to get shut
Speaker 1: down again. So much is expected of Hi when he
Speaker 1: fails being the son of a man who resents you
Speaker 1: because he had to work so hard to give you everything,
Speaker 1: and then he resents you for it. That's the tragedy.
Speaker 1: It's an American tragedy. And uh, it's off three. It's
Speaker 1: it's often repeated throughout the generations, and it's really unfortunate,
Speaker 1: um um, and very very well put. And you know,
Speaker 1: I felt that that's what draws me to that character.
Speaker 1: He does need love, and that's all of his actions
Speaker 1: are reflective of that. And it's very compelling to watch.
Speaker 1: Even in the scene with Dean, when you're being such
Speaker 1: a jerk and so antagonistic with Dean, you're doing it
Speaker 1: in such a way where you know, it's just very
Speaker 1: It's not that it's noncommittal. It's not that you're not
Speaker 1: that Tristan isn't committing to those actions. It's that, I
Speaker 1: don't know, he's almost for me. It's almost like he
Speaker 1: would rather be there's some space there with he would
Speaker 1: rather be friends with Dean, or maybe there's a little
Speaker 1: feels like a show, right, he's putting on a show.
Speaker 1: He's totally putting on a show. None, None of this
Speaker 1: is all real. He's putting on a show and he's
Speaker 1: peacocking right as they would say. He's peacocking and hoping
Speaker 1: that that win's out. Why, it's probably what he was
Speaker 1: trained by his father time and time again. You know,
Speaker 1: someone walks in an office and his dad goes to fired,
Speaker 1: get out of here, you're done? Oh really? Okay? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, and he's seen that type of behavior, and
Speaker 1: when you see that type of behavior, you will acted out.
Speaker 1: And that again, it gets carried down from genitor generation
Speaker 1: to generation, and you have to get to a point
Speaker 1: where Tristan needed to get to a point where the
Speaker 1: buck stops here. I'm not going to allow this to continue.
Speaker 1: And I believe that if we would have gone further
Speaker 1: with Tristan, if that path would have been the chosen path,
Speaker 1: I believe that we would have found that he had
Speaker 1: a heart of gold and that he was just damaged.
Speaker 1: And I think that we would have we would have
Speaker 1: found that he loves and he loves big, and he's hurt,
Speaker 1: you know, and he would have he would have had
Speaker 1: to clean on to someone, and I wonder who got
Speaker 1: someone would have been. I feel like someone would have
Speaker 1: probably become a mother figure in his life who knows who,
Speaker 1: and would have nurtured him. You know what I saw
Speaker 1: you doing as an actor, I saw you doing it,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate it so much because it really let
Speaker 1: me know about out how Tristan really needs that love.
Speaker 1: As you would take little pauses every once in a
Speaker 1: while and you'd look at her and I thought, Wow,
Speaker 1: it's that. I mean, this guy is that good an
Speaker 1: actor where that's all it takes. And then we know,
Speaker 1: we know, we see that moment into his whole past
Speaker 1: and his whole present about how he's treated at home
Speaker 1: and how conflicted he is, and how much he needs
Speaker 1: her because in his what he thinks is somewhat of
Speaker 1: a commitment to being this jerk, he's out a little
Speaker 1: bit out of control of it. There are those moments
Speaker 1: where you take that pause and you look at her
Speaker 1: and you're so wanting her and you're so near her,
Speaker 1: and it's just beautiful. It's beautiful to many moments of vulnerability. Man,
Speaker 1: there's pure vulnerability there. And I do remember reading with
Speaker 1: Amy back in the audition and she said what she
Speaker 1: liked was that I do a but also the vulnerability
Speaker 1: she needed to see that vulnerability, and I think that's
Speaker 1: ultimately what what I wanted for me, and that's what
Speaker 1: where the marriage came from between Chad and Tristan, was
Speaker 1: the vulnerability to bring it to his purpose. He's he's
Speaker 1: you know, it's uh, he's right now, one of my
Speaker 1: favorite characters. Um, And I don't think I'm going to
Speaker 1: see him again, am I? You're gone? Yeah? No, you
Speaker 1: know how many episodes did you? You just you did
Speaker 1: more than this? Is it? You? That's it. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna see anymore. I'm gonna watch these episodes that you're
Speaker 1: not going to show up. I don't know. You know,
Speaker 1: it's funny, you guys when you guys, it sounds like
Speaker 1: a personal problem. Maybe you can go back and watch
Speaker 1: the reruns. I don't think so the uh you know
Speaker 1: they sell him on DVD. You can go back and
Speaker 1: watch them and be right there. Sounds like a problem,
Speaker 1: you know, the the reunion. They did the union and
Speaker 1: I think the day that they had the day that
Speaker 1: they picked the shoot the Tristan scene, my wife and
Speaker 1: I were having a baby, yeah, and we had it
Speaker 1: scheduled and we couldn't reschedule because it was induced labor.
Speaker 1: They also came together also last second and boom we're
Speaker 1: having it was like, sorry, so I heard that life
Speaker 1: got it's a little more for me. Yeah, Hey, let's
Speaker 1: talk about your projects. I know you got a couple.
Speaker 1: You got a toying with the Holidays, Angel Falls Christmas,
Speaker 1: and you got a Bruce Willis film and you're right
Speaker 1: on the poster with Bruce Willis called Fortress. Tell us
Speaker 1: a little bit about about these projects coming up. Man,
Speaker 1: that's exciting. Uh, you know, just blessed to continue to
Speaker 1: work and continue to um to delve into play with
Speaker 1: the instrument. Man. You know, you get up in the
Speaker 1: morning and you try and like I said, you're trying
Speaker 1: a new outfit and a new character and it just
Speaker 1: feels so good. Uh. Fortress was a riot. You know,
Speaker 1: he's a South Jersey boy. He grew up down the
Speaker 1: street from me without tell me what it was like.
Speaker 1: Working with was fantastic. Bruce is great. Bruce and I, um,
Speaker 1: we get along really well. Uh. And you know there'd
Speaker 1: be times where he'd take me aside and we'd have
Speaker 1: like just a little personal chance, and he wouldn't He
Speaker 1: just didn't do that a lot. You know. He kind
Speaker 1: of would do his thing and then that's it. But
Speaker 1: I felt it was incredibly gratifying knowing that I got
Speaker 1: to have those private moments with him, right and and
Speaker 1: have those conversations. You know, we talked about you know,
Speaker 1: he's good old you know, Armageddon and die Hard and
Speaker 1: you know, just stories from behind the scenes and you know,
Speaker 1: the whole at living sequence with um, you know, gippy
Speaker 1: kaa mother, and we talked about just so many different
Speaker 1: things down to you know, just human living with the
Speaker 1: certain ricks are and UM and I borrow from everyone
Speaker 1: that I work with, director, producer's crew. I try to
Speaker 1: just take the best of everybody. He gave me some
Speaker 1: things that really meant a lot to me, and and
Speaker 1: so yeah, it was great. The characters that I play
Speaker 1: in this film is absolutely insane, and I think you're
Speaker 1: gonna love it. So that's gonna be in theaters December
Speaker 1: and correct correct and Angel Falls is Christmas. Angel Falls
Speaker 1: Christmas is now on IMDbTV, im BBTV streaming. Wa'ts it now?
Speaker 1: I love that film, very very very different, complete polar
Speaker 1: opposite playing an angel and and his job in in
Speaker 1: this life is to be basically a relationship counselor okay,
Speaker 1: but it's a fallen Angels scenario, you know, falling for
Speaker 1: the girl who's not supposed to what do you do?
Speaker 1: So it's City of Angels meets It's Wonderful Life and
Speaker 1: all those great movies all kind of piled at one
Speaker 1: another character piece. And then Toying What the Holidays comes
Speaker 1: up this Saturday on Lifetime December eighteenth on Lifetime, Toying
Speaker 1: with the Holidays, check it out. And then Thursday after
Speaker 1: your board, Um, I'm playing I played Ted Bundy and
Speaker 1: uh oh yeah, I saw that very different film and
Speaker 1: that comes out of Hulu on Thursday. So what's going on? Man?
Speaker 1: You're just like, are you ever home? No, You're just
Speaker 1: you're just filming all the time we have been. Look,
Speaker 1: I made a decision that I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: Look and instead of saying no to everything I'm not,
Speaker 1: start saying yes and open my mind and learn and
Speaker 1: create relationships and just trying different avenue. And what I
Speaker 1: found is I've made so many new friends, i found
Speaker 1: so many new relationships, and I've been able to try
Speaker 1: out so many different things as an actor. Right, some
Speaker 1: have been awesome, some failed miserably and that's fine. It's
Speaker 1: completely fine with me. But I'm learning more about myself,
Speaker 1: which is awesome. And my kids and I we live
Speaker 1: on the road. Son's been on overs, that's sick. And um,
Speaker 1: you know this year we were gone all year until
Speaker 1: I have my surgery a month ago. Now we're we
Speaker 1: put a pain in it. I want time out and
Speaker 1: we we We picked back up January eighth, heading to
Speaker 1: shoot a Western So like, at you go, man, Good
Speaker 1: for you, Good for you. Alright, he'll up, gotta go.
Speaker 1: I know you're busy. You gotta get you, gotta get
Speaker 1: out of here. We've taken up far too much of
Speaker 1: your Time's all good at you. Gotta love you, buddy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love you too. Man. It's so great catching up.
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, I'll get your I'll get your info
Speaker 1: from from Amy and Gang and we'll connect man and
Speaker 1: get our kids together. By the way, are you west side?
Speaker 1: East side? Where are you? We? We are actually closer
Speaker 1: to the beach now. I sold my place. I got
Speaker 1: out of l a proper. Well. Yeah, I've been there
Speaker 1: a long time, you know, I've been there eighteen years,
Speaker 1: nineteen years in that house. So it was time. It
Speaker 1: was time so we're You know, my wife likes the
Speaker 1: the ocean, she likes the beach, and uh, I think
Speaker 1: my wife, we're probably in the same neighborhood that money.
Speaker 1: We could be. We'll talk down the road, yes we will.
Speaker 1: All right. Such a pleasure, man, great catching up and
Speaker 1: good luck with everything. Best is Sarah? Okay, tell her
Speaker 1: I said, hold on all right, will I will see
Speaker 1: my left everybody? God left you all right? You too? Man? Cheers,
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