1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: look at things. T Doherty and John Harris have their 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning. 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: Here's Drew all. 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: Right, welcome in. This is in the Lab, Drew Doherty here. 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 2: Happy that you're with us and I appreciate it. It's 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 2: good to be with you. Happy New Year, Merry Christmas belatedly, 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: and let's get going. 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Plus we'll have a 29 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: cream of the cropper for Monday after a Texans win, 30 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: should they beat the Titans, And then I'm gonna go 31 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: one on one with Juice Scrugs, the offensive lineman for 32 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: the Houston Texans. The rookie left guard, had some fun 33 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: things to say, had some fun things to discuss, so 34 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 2: you won't want to miss that. But without further ado, 35 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 2: here is John and I chit chatting. Okay, John, let's 36 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: talk you doing Okay. 37 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, let's talk. Let's go big week, big big week. 38 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 3: Let's forget Christmas Eve. 39 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 5: It was gross. 40 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, let's forget Christmas Eve football game that happened. Yeah, 41 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 6: Christmas even Christmas Day for both the Doherty's and Harris's 42 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 6: were very. 43 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: Very good, fantast and you know what humankind you could Doay, 44 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 2: But let's let's like delve into that. I was scheduling 45 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: this well in advance. I scheduled this well in advance 46 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: of the news that an old friend was returning to 47 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: the Texans. And this is fun. We're gonna talk a 48 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: lot about Kareem Jackson today. Okay, yeah, but before we do, Okay, actually, 49 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: while we do, we're gonna go way back in time 50 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: because my first year with the Texans was two thousand 51 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: and nine. They've come very very close to making the playoffs. 52 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: They go nine and seven, but they just miss out. 53 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 2: So they had to pick in the late teens in 54 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: the draft for the twenty ten draft. So I went 55 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 2: to Mobile, Alabama for the first time, looked at all 56 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 2: the stuff going on in the Senior Bowl, learned a lot. 57 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: The draft comes along, we're doing these mock draft surveys 58 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 2: where people are doing. 59 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 3: Calling their picks. 60 00:02:55,160 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 2: No one, not one single person other than Spencer Tillman 61 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: predicted that the Texans would take Kareem Jackson. A lot 62 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: of folks were thinking the Boise State corner, Kyle Wilson. 63 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: A lot of books were saying one of the McCarty brothers. Correct, 64 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 2: no one but Spencer. To give Spencer his due, YEP, 65 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: called for Kareem Jackson. Alabama corner and he comes uh. 66 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: He'd played in the title game. He'd played at a 67 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: at a military school before that, kind of as a 68 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 2: prep school. He's a Georgia guy. But Kareem comes to 69 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 2: town and I met him at the airport. He had 70 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: to fly southwest because I can't remember where he was 71 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: coming from. I mean him at the airport, comes into 72 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 2: town and then he has one of the awful rookie 73 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: seasons along with most of the secondary there for the 74 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: Houston Texas. 75 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 3: That was just horrible. Twenty ten say his name? Yes? 76 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 3: Well who what? 77 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 2: Siri? 78 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 3: Segia heir two too? Felt like a mark his name? 79 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 3: I saw a Mark. 80 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: I saw Mark Cooper on Sunday and I said, who 81 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: is a Seggie adjared too? 82 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 4: Twenty ten? Was that man's name? Next? 83 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: Exist? The twenty ten Texans had the worst pass defense 84 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: since the AFL NFL merger, statistically speaking, right in twenty ten. Yeah, 85 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 2: but then a lot of things change in eleven. You 86 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: get Wade Phillipson here, you bring Jonathan Josephin here, you 87 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: move Glover Quinn to safety, you get a better pass 88 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 2: rush going Nnor Barwin comes back healthy, JJ Watts solid 89 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 2: as a rookie Antonio Smith turns in a Pro Bowl season. 90 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 2: You guys get rocking and rolling and things get better, 91 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: and Kareem Jackson steadily improves. But we go way back 92 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 2: with this guy, and we're still gonna get into more things. 93 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: But John, what's your first memory of Kareem Jackson? Boy? 94 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 2: Because I'm sure you were breaking down stuff of what 95 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 2: he'd done in college, right. 96 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know it's interesting. I watch him in college. 97 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 6: I had him behind those guys you mentioned. I thought 98 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 6: Kyle Wilson mccordy. I thought Devin who ended up having 99 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 6: a lot create safety and safety is a key word 100 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 6: here because I feel like Kareem always got pulled back 101 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 6: to play corner. 102 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 4: All right, look man, we need some help at corner. Kareem, 103 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 4: can you go play corner? 104 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 5: Yep? 105 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 4: And he just do it. He'd do it. 106 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: It's like the scene It's Pacino and Godfather three. Yeah, 107 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 2: he just thought I was about it. He just kept 108 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: getting pulled back to corner. And had he hey gone 109 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 2: to safety? 110 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 6: I think early in his career, let's say fourteen twenty fourteen, 111 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 6: when Bill O'Brien's staff takes over. If he goes to 112 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 6: safety at that point, I think he ends up being 113 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 6: one of the better safeties we've seen for the Texans, 114 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 6: and obviously we've seen how physical he is. You know, 115 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 6: he's suspended a few weeks in Denver because of the 116 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 6: hits he had, and. 117 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 2: Before these suspensions, you've heard me say this a few 118 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 2: different times over the years. I've said it multiple times. 119 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 2: He's the hardest hitter in the franchise's history. 120 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 4: That leads me to that leads me to my memory 121 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 4: of him. 122 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 6: In some sense, we had gone to Denver, ironically in 123 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 6: twenty eighteen, and we had just traded for Demarius Thomas, 124 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 6: and we're going back to Denver and we've got a 125 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 6: wind streak going and Kareem is playing his best ball 126 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 6: I think in twenty eighteen. I mean, he was all 127 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 6: over the place and he was playing that corner so 128 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 6: early in the game. Denver Broncos have a rookie running 129 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 6: back by the name of Philip Lindsay. 130 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 4: And Philip was a tough dude. We saw him here. 131 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 4: I'd love Philip. 132 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 6: It just did work here in Houston, and I think 133 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 6: he's now doing radio and Denver anyway. Pace Keenans played 134 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 6: quarterback for the Broncos and throws a swing pass to 135 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 6: Lindsay and I'm telling you it's not He's not. 136 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 4: Lindsay's not ten yards from me on the sidelines. 137 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 6: And before COVID, you could go all the way to 138 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 6: the thirty five and thirty five the yellow line cut 139 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 6: off line. 140 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 4: The bench was from thirty five to thirty five. Now 141 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 4: it's moved out. 142 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 6: It's like twenty five to twenty five because they spread 143 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 6: everybody out for COVID and they just left it like that. 144 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 6: So I was actually a little bit closer, and that 145 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 6: thing is not ten yards away from me, and I 146 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 6: could see the ball and I could see how the 147 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 6: corm my, oh, somebody's coming, and. 148 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 4: Kareem absolutely decapitated him. 149 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 6: And it's one of the greatest legal hits I've ever seen. 150 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 6: And I just remember the sideline came on glued. I 151 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 6: came on glued. I loved seeing a hit like that, 152 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 6: and it just really set the tone for the Texans 153 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 6: playing a particular way in style, and you know, Kareem 154 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 6: was a massively huge part of that. So I think 155 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 6: the other thing that always stands out with Kareem was 156 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 6: he wore twenty five, which I don't know if it were. 157 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 6: You know, he was warning the Broncos twenty two. So 158 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 6: I wonder if he'll wear twenty two here because it's open. 159 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 6: But twenty four and twenty five went everywhere together. Wherever 160 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 6: you saw j Joe, you saw Kareem. You saw Kareem, 161 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 6: you saw j Joe. They were always talking ball. They 162 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 6: were so great, and then when you got in a 163 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 6: locker room, you know, Heyjack TV was some of the 164 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 6: best content you know, this side of on the Nose 165 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 6: with Sean Cody. I mean, Kareem just took it and 166 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 6: ran with it and had a blast, and they just 167 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 6: kept pushing the boundaries and he just did such a 168 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 6: good job on the field, off the field, everything about Kareem. 169 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 6: I'm just glad he can come back here. His wife 170 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 6: is from Houston, so getting back here. Hopefully we'll see 171 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 6: what happens for his career. But you know, if this 172 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 6: is it, he gets to finish. 173 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 4: Here at home, and hopefully he can have some good memories. 174 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 6: You know, look, case Keenum had those good memories against 175 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 6: the Titans, and hopefully Kream can have a few of 176 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 6: those memories against the Titans and the Colts couple of 177 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 6: division opponents as well. 178 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 2: Okay, that's all the fun stuff for the past. And 179 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: one more little thing to note. He's one interception behind 180 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 2: Jonathan Joseph, the franchise lead. I believe it's nineteen to 181 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 2: eighteen or eighteen to seventeen, but he's one behind him 182 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: for that all time and career picks. He's also one 183 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: behind him and pick sixes in his career four to three. Ooh, 184 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: so he conceivably with one play, with one play, he 185 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: could tie him. 186 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 3: With two, he could beat him. 187 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 4: That'd be awesome, that would be awesome. 188 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: But for that to happen, what is he actually how 189 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 2: how is he going to be deployed? Is he? I mean, 190 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 2: he's gonna be active, like I imagine he's going to 191 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: be active, But like, where do you see Kareem Jackson 192 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: currently as a player fitting in with this defense that's 193 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 2: banged up? Man? Because we didn't even mention Jimmy Ward 194 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 2: has done for the season. He's on injured reserve. Right 195 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: when he was in there, the defense was better, but 196 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 2: he was hurt a lot this year. But Jimmy Ward 197 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 2: is not going to play again this season. That's one 198 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 2: of the reasons Kareem's here, I think, So how much 199 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 2: does Kareem play And how effective do you think Kareem 200 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 2: can be? 201 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 6: I think he can still be very effective. And I 202 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 6: think losing You know, Jimmy and Kareem are similar. They 203 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 6: both have corner backgrounds. Yeah, they could play the nickel. 204 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 6: They've got an edge, they play with an edge. They're 205 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 6: physically fearless, absolutely fearless. So when you sit there and go, Okay, 206 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 6: we lost Jimmy, What's I don't know if you want 207 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 6: to say the next best or a basically carbon copy, 208 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 6: what's Kareem Jackson. Now, Kareem I'm a little bit older 209 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 6: than Jimmy is, but they played the game very, very similar, 210 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 6: And I just I just like the fact of having 211 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 6: an enforcer in some way, shape or form that's in 212 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 6: the back that receivers have to think twice about, because 213 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 6: now receivers is right across the middle, like, hey, no 214 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 6: big deal, but if you know, well you can get popped. 215 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 6: Twenty two's back there, he's gonna pop you. I mean 216 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 6: that just makes you think twice about some things. I 217 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 6: think Koreem can still run. I think obviously he can 218 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 6: still be physical. I still think he's got the he's 219 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 6: still got. 220 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 4: The physical skills to play the position. 221 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 222 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 6: And he's also along the way acquired the knowledge to 223 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 6: be able to play the position with restraint. And that 224 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 6: I think is key because I don't think the safeties 225 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 6: right now are playing the game that way. I don't 226 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 6: know that they're playing with that sort of physical restraint. 227 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 6: It's one hundred miles an hour going to a certain 228 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 6: spot and it's like, oh wait, and it's kind of 229 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 6: that feeling. Yeah, And there you have to have trained 230 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 6: eyes in the back in the back end, you have 231 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 6: to have discipline eyes in the back end, and I 232 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 6: don't think that's what they've had now. Joe Flacco dropped 233 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 6: dimes like a great example. What I'm talking about is 234 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 6: the very first play of the game. It's a two 235 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 6: man route, it's a max protect route. Texans look to 236 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 6: be in quarters and so when you get essentially a 237 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 6: vertical route that's essentially splitting your outside corner and your safety. 238 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 4: The way you can. 239 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 6: Play that is the safety will kind of come underneath 240 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 6: that route and not trail, but get in the inside 241 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 6: hip pocket of the receiver as he's running deep and 242 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 6: then the corner. 243 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 4: What that does is it buys time for the corner 244 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 4: to go over. 245 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 6: The top, so you kind of you kind of squeeze 246 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 6: and bracket the wide receiver, and now you force the 247 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 6: quarterback to throw into a tea cup as opposed to 248 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 6: throwing it to a spot and let his receiver go 249 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 6: get it. Joe Flacco threw it in the tea cup. Yeah, 250 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 6: and what can you do? Like, I've watched that play 251 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 6: ten times now on film, and I'm like, there's nothing 252 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 6: really anybody could do. 253 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 4: You know, could think about the fort. 254 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 6: Nelson had been a little bit more over the top, 255 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 6: Maybe could Jimmy have been a little bit close. 256 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 2: Maybe think about the fourth down pass at the very end. 257 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 2: But that basically ended any hope for the Texans, right, 258 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: I mean Stingley's hand is just right fraction away from 259 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 2: getting I mean those rate passes coverage. 260 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 6: There are there are plays like that where Sunday you 261 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 6: got beat. There are also plays that you got beat 262 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 6: because you weren't disciplined enough to play a coverage. 263 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 4: Your eyes took you somewhere that they weren't supposed to, So. 264 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 6: You had opportunities that you could have taken away. You 265 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 6: weren't gonna take all the way because that first throw, 266 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 6: as I said, Joe Flacco just put it right in 267 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 6: the money, like you look at it and just go, 268 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 6: you know, chalk it up to the game. 269 00:12:58,840 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 5: What are you gonna do? 270 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 4: I mean, just through the perfect pass, and it was perfect. 271 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 6: But there were also opportunities to think in that back end, 272 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 6: especially with safety, where disciplined eyes could have kept some 273 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 6: big plays from happening, mainly the Amari Cooper long touchdown 274 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 6: pass that made a fourteen seven. You know, that was 275 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 6: a play that could have been stopped and should have 276 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 6: been stopped, and Namiko Ryans talked about that, and those 277 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 6: are the things I think that Kareem can help with 278 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 6: because he's played back there now for a few years. Yes, 279 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 6: he is super physical, but he's also very smart, always 280 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 6: very in tune to passing games and passing schemes and 281 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 6: route combinations whether he's at corner, nickel or safety. 282 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 4: So how much he plays, I don't know. 283 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 6: I think just how much he can learn about this 284 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 6: defense and a short amount of time is going to help. 285 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 6: But you know, if you get some veteran ballers out there, 286 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 6: you don't get desert the nickel, and you get Kareem 287 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 6: out there, you put them with Amus or with DHC 288 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 6: with Petrie. 289 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 4: However you mix it up. 290 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 6: I just think Kareem is going to be able to 291 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 6: help back then because of the intelligence. And then you're 292 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 6: throw in Dez and Dez King's intelligence, you have football IQ. 293 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 6: You put that together, that's gonna help some of those 294 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 6: young guys say, hey, reminder, hey, discipline eyes, make sure 295 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 6: we know the coverage. 296 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 4: No, we're doing let's communicate. I think Cream is gonna 297 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 4: be a big helping all. 298 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 2: That first week of the season, he had a pick 299 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 2: and four tackles. 300 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 4: Yep. 301 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 2: Next week you get two tackles. Now, I know tackles 302 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 2: aren't the be all, end all stat but just to 303 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 2: give you an idea of how active he was, he 304 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 2: had eight tackles, then eight tackles, and then ten tackles, 305 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 2: then a couple of games with five tackles, and the 306 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: last game he played was we had nine tackles. But 307 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 2: listen to this. So he played pretty much every week 308 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 2: up to the twenty second of October. Then he gets 309 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 2: one of the suspensions. Yep, right, doesn't play again until 310 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: November nineteenth, so he has about a month off. 311 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 4: I think that's the Vikings. 312 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, he came back and played the Vikings. That's the 313 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: last time he's played eleven nineteen November nineteenth. So in theory, 314 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: I mean he's he's got a lot of a lot 315 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: of true on the tire, or a lot of tread 316 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 2: to come off the tire, so to speak, because he's 317 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 2: been around a long time in the NFL. But in theory, 318 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 2: he should also be feeling pretty good physically because he 319 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: hasn't had to play in a while. 320 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 3: He's played one game in the last two months. 321 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, now there might be a little bit of us, 322 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 2: but given his knowledge, given his experience, that might bode 323 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: well for him and have him really fresh for the 324 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: two games. And I still think this is a playoff team, 325 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 2: you know, for later in January. 326 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 6: And you bring up a great point, true, when you 327 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 6: can sort of see the end in sight. 328 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 4: Okay, there's two games. There's something about. 329 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 6: That where like, I mean, I'm gonna let it all 330 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 6: hang out, man, I got two games, Like. 331 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 2: Billy Chapeloo, he's pitching the perfect game in the Yankee Stadium. 332 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 6: And you never know what it is for Kareem, whether 333 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 6: he wants to continue playing after this year, how his 334 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 6: body feels, all that kind of stuff, And so you 335 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 6: go into it with a two game season like I 336 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 6: got two weeks. I'm back in my building and just 337 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 6: gonna let loose. But there has to be a restraint 338 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 6: with that. There has to be discipline with that, and 339 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 6: I think Kareem's the type of guy that will will 340 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 6: play with that. And I'm excited to see what he's 341 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 6: able to do for this team. Just even if Kareem 342 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 6: doesn't play it down, even if he's inactive this week, 343 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 6: he can help that secondary just talk them through the 344 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 6: things they're seeing, what to anticipate, receiver splits. 345 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 5: You know. 346 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 4: Hey, you know the Titans like to do this. Now, 347 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 4: it'll will help. 348 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 6: The Texans played him just two weeks ago, but Kareem 349 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 6: has faced to Tim Kelly offense every single day in 350 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 6: practice for like five years. Yeah, so they're gonna be 351 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 6: seeing things that he you know, sees that he's gonna 352 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 6: see and he's gonna recognize that are gonna help. So 353 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 6: I'm just really excited about having it back in the 354 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 6: Billy And I think he's a great spirit, he's a 355 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 6: great Texan and I think this is where he needs 356 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 6: to be. 357 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 4: So I'm excited for that. 358 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, And if nothing else is gonna be fun talking 359 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: to him in the locker room because you know he's 360 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 2: gonna say something funny. 361 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, who on Monday morning. 362 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty four or January first, twenty twenty four 363 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 2: are we going to be saying this was my Cream 364 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 2: of the Crop award winner? Who gets the cream of 365 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 2: the crop, the cream of the crop, thank you, mauch 366 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 2: for man Raady Savage. 367 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 3: Who's your choice? 368 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 2: John? 369 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 6: Hmmm? Another, this question's coming, And so I've gone back 370 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 6: and forth, but I'm gonna if the Texans walk out 371 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 6: of their Sunday with the wins, setting up a win 372 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 6: and in playoff situation with Thedanapolis Colts the following Sunday, 373 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 6: it is going to be five individuals. It's going to 374 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 6: be Laromy Tunsel, Juice Scruggs, Michael Dieter, Shaq Mason, and 375 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 6: whether it's George Fan or Charlie Hecker right tackle. This 376 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 6: game against the Titans comes down to how well they 377 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 6: can protect hopefully CJ Stroud. 378 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, if CJ is playing in this game, he cannot 379 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 4: be touched. He cannot be touched. 380 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 6: And one thing I noticed about the Cleveland Browns, the 381 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 6: Browns are very worried about, especially early. 382 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 4: In the Texas pass rush, and for a good reason. 383 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 4: What John Grenard was on the field. 384 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 6: He's only go on a field for three plays, but the 385 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 6: one play he absolutely whipped whipped a left tackle and 386 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 6: was in the face of the quarterback. But he ended 387 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 6: up not being able to stay on the field because 388 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 6: he got rolled up on by Derek Barnett coming from 389 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 6: the other side. Barnett was making his case for getting 390 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 6: to the quarterback and he got knocked out. Anyways, the 391 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 6: Browns were protecting and running two man routes, three man routes. 392 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 6: They were protecting with seven. So I don't care how 393 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 6: you do it, but you got to protect CJ. Stroud 394 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 6: every game heads forth, but in particular coming off of 395 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 6: concussion and missing two weeks, he's. 396 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 4: Got to get comfortable. You got to get him comfortable. 397 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 6: The Titans are probably going to send some heat to 398 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 6: see if CJ is ready for it. But you've got 399 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 6: to do everything possible to protect your franchise. Those five guys, 400 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 6: whether it's Heck or Fan or both or whatever, however 401 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 6: they do it, they have to make sure no one 402 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 6: touches seven, no one. 403 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 4: That's my cream of the crop. 404 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 3: Perfect choice, my cream of the crop. 405 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 5: We move the crop. 406 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 3: He's going to be a guy who we could. 407 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 2: Probably give this award to, or could have given this 408 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 2: award to a couple of weeks ago for what he 409 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 2: did in Tennessee. But let's do this again. Christian Harris, 410 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 2: ye good, nasty man, just nasty. Very early on, got 411 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 2: right up in Derrick Henry's face and said and kind 412 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 2: of helped set the tone. And I don't know what 413 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 2: he was saying, but I imagine it was something along 414 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 2: the lines of you're not going to have a good 415 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 2: day today, then we're going to be on you all 416 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 2: day long. But I bet it was more colorful coming 417 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 2: from Christian and you need him to be what he 418 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 2: was that day. I think he's played really really well 419 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 2: since uh it's about what the second half of the season, John, 420 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 2: I mean this is this has been fun to see 421 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,959 Speaker 2: Christian kind of blooming in this role because he's he's 422 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 2: somebody you're going to rely on for yours years to come. 423 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 3: He looked really really good yeah that day in Tennessee. 424 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 2: And you need him again this weekend because Derrick Henry, 425 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 2: It's it's on record, he does very very well against 426 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 2: the opponents the second time around, especially now. 427 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 6: We haven't held him under two hundred yards at RG 428 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 6: Stadium since twenty eighteen. 429 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 3: I know, I know. This was the first time. 430 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 6: Well when he's played the one year didn't play I 431 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 6: think twenty twenty oney in play correct, I think. 432 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 2: But he had one thoy eighteen yards and the five 433 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 2: games combined, the last before last one. But yeah, you 434 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: gotta you gotta bottle them up because he saw some 435 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 2: he saw some stuff and he's got pride. 436 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 4: Yep. 437 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 2: This is probably gonna be the last game here as 438 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 2: a Titan for him, the way he was talking after 439 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 2: the last game. So we'll see. But you need Christian Harris, 440 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 2: you need all those guys swarming. He's gonna be the 441 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: tip of that spear on Sunday. 442 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 4: Well said tip of the spear. I like that. 443 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: Thanks, it's fun. One word to your youth. They're fun, 444 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 2: fun phrase to turn. Okay, John, it's always fun. Merry Christmas, 445 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 2: belated to you. Happy New Year as well. I'm gonna 446 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 2: see you in between now and then. Yeah, of course, 447 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 2: you know, between you, me and the guy or girl 448 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 2: girl listening to this. Yeah, I hope you have a 449 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 2: very happy New Year. With Texans. Have fun and I 450 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 2: call in the game. You're gonna do a great job. 451 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 4: They always do. You're gonna be up in the booth, 452 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 4: be crazy. Yeahy in Oklahoma State, it's always nuts. 453 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 2: Cecil Shorts, the third will be down on the field 454 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 2: in your spot with me doing the pregame in the halftime. 455 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 2: But we'll keep the chair warm. I don't think he's 456 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 2: gonna wear his buddy the Elf costume. 457 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 3: Oh that was it? 458 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 4: So fire. That was great, so cool. 459 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 2: Not great. 460 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 4: The only thing would have been better is if you 461 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 4: would have gone. 462 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 3: To Santa Claus. I had on a Santa Claus hat. 463 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I know you didn't go all the way in. 464 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 3: I can't go all the way. 465 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 4: I get it, I get it. 466 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 3: I'm gonna wear I got work to do. 467 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 4: You got work to do. 468 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 2: I'm gonna wear my leather blazer tonight. So my other 469 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 2: leather sport coat. Since it's the Texas Bowl. 470 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 4: There you go, yeah, break that out. 471 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 2: That's gonna be awesome, awesome, hey man, always have fun 472 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 2: doing this with you. 473 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, good time, it's fun. 474 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 2: Kareem Jackson's back and we're talking playoffs for the Texans. 475 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 4: CJ. 476 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 2: Stropp probably gonna play soon. So yeah, exciting times. John, 477 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 2: all right, fun talk with John. Now it's time to 478 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 2: go to Juice. Jay to j Juice Scruggs, rookie starting 479 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 2: at left guard. He was a starter at center in 480 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 2: the preseason and then he got injured. Jared Patterson took over, 481 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 2: did a really nice job. But Juice is the guy 482 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 2: over on the left side getting some valuable experience. 483 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 3: And we don't talk about any of that. 484 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 2: We get weird because he did a jews dozen with 485 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 2: me and we covered some fun topics like this. Let's 486 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 2: rank the five juices Juice Scrugs, the movie Juice, the 487 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 2: movie Beetlejuice, the song gin and Juice, and Orange Juice. 488 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 2: What do they rank? 489 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 5: Of course me number one? 490 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 2: Good. 491 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 5: I'm gonna have to go the movie with Tupac Juice. Okay, 492 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 5: I've never seen Beetlejuice, so that's a little bit, you know, 493 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 5: before my time. So I'm gonna put that last, and 494 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 5: then I'm gonna do Orange juice. 495 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 2: Juice after that. So you drank juice instead of milk 496 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 2: as a baby. What was the juice you were drinking 497 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 2: back then? Any type of juice, any type of juice. 498 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 5: It was probably knowing me, it was probably a Waian punch, 499 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 5: oh mainly, but any juice, orange juice, apple juice, cranberry 500 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 5: juice where you. 501 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,479 Speaker 2: Think of you got fruit punch is the way to go. 502 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 2: You have three brothers, how would they describe you? And 503 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 2: how accurate is that? Actually? So let's hear what's the 504 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,479 Speaker 2: description and then how true is that? 505 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 5: So their description to me, it's probably a little different 506 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 5: than what I would say, especially growing up the younger version, 507 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 5: they'll probably say cry baby, annoying all that, because I 508 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 5: just wanted to be like them, always under there, always 509 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 5: under their wing and stuff. But now I think they'll 510 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 5: say decent young man, doing well for yourself, and that 511 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 5: they're proud of me. 512 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 2: I got you. And so you're the youngest. How much 513 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 2: you're older each of them from me? 514 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 5: So my oldest brother is ten years older than me, 515 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 5: and then the other one is six and then five. Okay, 516 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 5: so you're I'm right there, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 517 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 2: You're trying to catch up. Man, that's a lot of 518 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 2: catching up to do it. 519 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, and they take it easy. 520 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 2: But you wouldn't have it any other way. 521 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 5: I'll tell you, it made me who I am today. 522 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 2: I love it. That's fantastic. Which animal if it was 523 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 2: gonna be totally tame and you didn't have to worry 524 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 2: about it going bananas and killing like eighty people, which 525 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 2: animal would you choose as your pet? 526 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 5: It's funny you said this because me and my girlfriend 527 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,719 Speaker 5: talked and I told her this, and she looked at 528 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,479 Speaker 5: me crazy. I said, I'd love to have a tiger, 529 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 5: like the white tigers, most beautiful thing ever, but I 530 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 5: just don't want it to go crazy like the Yeah, 531 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 5: but a tiger or a chimpanzee? 532 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, very fun. 533 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 534 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 2: Chimpanzees super strong, super strong and obviously very smart. 535 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, very smart, and they're they're like, there's so much 536 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 5: like us. I think it would be cool just to 537 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 5: have a monkey. 538 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 2: I got you, so you don't have them as pets? 539 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 2: Do you have any pets right now? 540 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 5: I have a cat. Really, I have a cat. My 541 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 5: girlfriend got a cat when we were in college and 542 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 5: he became my cat. His name is It means delicious 543 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 5: and Hawaiian. 544 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, not bad? Does ano does it kind of 545 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: come around and snuggle up to her? 546 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,479 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's like a cat. Cat's very distant, but like 547 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 5: when he comes around, he definitely. You know, snugs, rubs 548 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:49,479 Speaker 5: up against you and stuff. 549 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 2: You're ever gonna get a dog to go with the cat? 550 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 5: No, definitely, I want to pit bull. Yeah, trying to 551 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 5: convince my girlfriend, but if not, I'll settled for a frenchie. 552 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 2: Frenchie Okay, Yeah, you've got teammates of both. They sat 553 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 2: in his chair and talked about there. Yeah, great dogs, definitely. Okay. 554 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 2: What's the favorite thing that you guys all did together brotherwise? 555 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: Growing up? What would you love doing the most with 556 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 2: them when you're a little guy. 557 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 5: Probably playing video games or playing basketball outside because we 558 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 5: had like a hoop, had like a raggedy hoop, and 559 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 5: we had it on the street, and so we would 560 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 5: just always be out there playing. If it wasn't football, 561 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 5: it was basketball, baseball, kickball, like we played anything. 562 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: Now, I know you were a for your letterman at 563 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 2: Eerie Cathedral Prep. Did you play any other sports in 564 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 2: high school? Nah? 565 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 5: So when I got to high school, I just said 566 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 5: football is a way to go. 567 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 2: Which sport would you play as a professional if you 568 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 2: weren't a pro football player? 569 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 5: I want to say basketball. This was my first true love. Okay, 570 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 5: but a six six to three center not going to 571 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 5: do much, so I would say, I would say baseball. 572 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 5: I wish I would have stuck with baseball. Probably could 573 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 5: have been a decent first basement. 574 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, is that what you played? When you're all right? 575 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 5: Did you hit LEFTI or irk? 576 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: You who's your favoriteaseball player? 577 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 5: It was David Artis growing up, Yeah, big poppy. 578 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: Yes, you know who else loves him? So you're left guard? 579 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 2: Right guard? Shack Mason, Big David Ortizi. He was a 580 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 2: basically a monster, and I liked. I was a big 581 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 2: fan of Barry Bonds. Okay, because I used to play 582 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 2: baseball when I was younger. My dad showed me like 583 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 2: all his clips. Yeah, he was impos was an on 584 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 2: base machine cranking. Oh yeah all the time. You have 585 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 2: a pretty good infield from the tech wou'd be you 586 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 2: at first over on the hot corner, you'd have Shack Mason. 587 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: That's not bad. You have to get some solid shortstop 588 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 2: and a second basement. Let's say right now, who you are, 589 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 2: your strength, your speed, your smarts, all that stuff. You 590 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 2: go put on the Eerie Cathedral Prep uniform and you 591 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 2: line up with Erie Cathedral Prep. They've got a game tomorrow. 592 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 2: What positions are you gonna play because I play both 593 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 2: sides of the ball, you play especially, And what's your 594 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 2: stat line going to be? What? What sort of shop 595 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 2: are you gonna. 596 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 5: I'm I'm I'm towing the ball. I never could. I 597 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 5: only had carried the ball once and it was an interception. 598 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 5: So I'm deaf running back just giving the ball, probably 599 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 5: going for five hundred eight down. They not break me down. Okay, defense, 600 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 5: just let me roam and middle linebacker? 601 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 2: Okay, what's the stat line going to be there? 602 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 5: I might be a little tire, so defense, I probably 603 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 5: say little, something like ten tackles. You might take some 604 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 5: places off on these. 605 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 2: Oh I don't like to hear that You're gonna get 606 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 2: some sacks and mixed in with the tackles, right. 607 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 5: No, for sure, probably three four sacks. Now. 608 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 2: See, I love it that you said I'm gonna cut 609 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 2: tote the rock because I've asked this of a bunch 610 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 2: of your teammates and they just kind of stick to 611 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 2: their positions. 612 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, no, I'm running all over them. 613 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 2: Look good, you have the right mindset and you win. 614 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 2: That was the correct answer. Would you rather be able 615 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: to speak every language in the world or be able 616 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 2: to speak with animals, any animal too. 617 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 5: I say animals. I say animals because you always wonder, 618 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 5: like what are they thinking like when they do stuff? 619 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 5: I was I would definitely like to talk to animals. 620 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,479 Speaker 2: Okay, you going with the animals? Okay? On a road trip. 621 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 2: You got to go back to Ohio to Pennsylvania. You 622 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 2: kind of grew up right on the border there. You 623 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 2: got three teammates that are on the road trip with you. 624 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 2: You're driving from here to there? Who are the three teammates? 625 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 5: I like to laugh, So I'm going, I'm going Lt. 626 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 2: Larmie Tunsel. 627 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 5: I'm going George George Fann Okay, and I'm going to 628 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 5: shock those three together. Funniest thing ever? 629 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 2: Pretty funny stuff. 630 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I'm going three give us a. 631 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 2: Glimpse, because like you're obviously seeing that in the alignment room. 632 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 2: What sort of stuff are they talking about? What's the 633 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 2: funny stuff going on? 634 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 5: Is any and everything? You could think of? Some things 635 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 5: I probably can't talk, of course, but it's just anything, 636 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 5: like any conversation is funny. And then when you hear 637 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 5: LT's laugh, everybody just started cracking up. 638 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 2: That's funny. He doesn't he doesn't let that out chance. 639 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 5: When he does, it's hilarious, prety disarmy, Its hilarious. 640 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 2: All right, what's what's the snack? What are you? What 641 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 2: are you all eating? What are y'all drinking? On the road? 642 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 5: So the guys they switch it up so they like 643 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 5: popeyes okay, and then they like shake shack. 644 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 2: Okay. 645 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 5: Those are the top two things. 646 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 2: All right? Any sunflower seeds, beef jerky and candy driving. 647 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 5: Nah, I'm good, I'm good. Yeah, I'm not really a snack. 648 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,959 Speaker 2: Focus on the road, diligent driver, fair enough? Okay, Hey, 649 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 2: it's Christmas. Merry Christmas to you. You got a favorite 650 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 2: Christmas song or two? 651 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 5: Favorite Christmas song? Probably just jingle bells man. Yeah, my 652 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 5: mom would play just on Christmas playlist and just let 653 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 5: it ride. 654 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 2: How soon would she start playing that? Would she deff? 655 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 5: November? 656 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 2: November? November four Thanksgiving? 657 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, four Thanksgiving. 658 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 2: That's cool. 659 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 5: Everything up tree, everything up before in November? Really yeah, 660 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 5: So she's prepared, goes hard, goes hard. 661 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 2: What are you gonna miss the most about being home 662 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 2: for Christmas this year? It's been like that for a 663 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 2: while now because you can play college ball. But what 664 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 2: do you miss the most about not being up there. 665 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 5: Really just being around family, because whenever me and my 666 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 5: family get together, it's always no matter like you're having 667 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 5: a bad day or what, it's always a good time 668 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,719 Speaker 5: jokes laugh. So just being around them and really just 669 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 5: listen home cooking, stuffing, mac and cheese, all that and 670 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 5: all the good stuff. I just missed that for. 671 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 2: Well, Juice Scrugs, Merry Christmas to you. Thanks so much 672 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 2: for the time. This has been a Drews dozen. Yes, sir, 673 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 2: many thanks to Juice Scrugs. Many thanks to you. I 674 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 2: appreciate you listening to this podcast because it would not 675 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 2: be possible without you listening. And if you could do 676 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 2: me a favor, I'd appreciate it if you go and 677 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 2: follow this podcast on iTunes or subscribe wherever you're listening 678 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 2: to your podcast. This is a lot of fun and 679 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 2: we appreciate you checking it out. I know it says 680 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 2: Texans All Access. This is Texans in the Lab. It 681 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 2: falls under that umbrella, and that umbrella is going to 682 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 2: keep you dry when the snow and the rain are 683 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 2: pounding down on you. 684 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 3: I don't know what that means, but hey, let's have fun. 685 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 3: Thank you for listening to in the Lab.