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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are really afraid of going to the dentists. They

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Speaker 1: psychological reasons for that, but after you hear this, you

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Speaker 1: may agree. An upstanding dentist named James Ryan just convicted

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thanks for being

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Speaker 1: one eleven. That's right, a Marilyn dentist guilty of murdering

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Speaker 1: his girlfriend after he owed her on anesthetics delivered by

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Speaker 1: an ivy station he rigged up in their own home.

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Speaker 1: It took a jury less than three hours to deliberate

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Speaker 1: and then convict doctor James Ryan of one count of

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Speaker 1: second degree depraved heart murder and one count involuntary manslaughter

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Speaker 1: and the death of a gorgeous young girl, twenty five

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Speaker 1: year old Sarah Harris. What is this fifty year old

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Speaker 1: Dennis doing with a twenty five year old girl? Okay,

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Speaker 1: question one. But what happened in this case?

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Speaker 2: It's so bizarre. Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 3: First responders rushed to the thirteen thousand block of Godwit

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Speaker 3: home of oral surgeon doctor James Michael Ryan. Inside, paramedics

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Speaker 3: find Sarah Harris, Ryan's girlfriend, unresponsive. Ryan says Harris was

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Speaker 1: Okay, I've got so many questions right there based on

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Speaker 1: everything I'm hearing about the oral surgeon, doctor James Michael Ryan. Now,

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Speaker 1: before I introduce everybody to doctor William Moroney, chief medical

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Speaker 1: examiner joining us out of Bay County, Michigan, author of

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Speaker 1: American Narcian, you can find me at Recovery PATHWAYSLLC dot com.

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Speaker 1: And Maroney puts his money as time as effort where

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Speaker 2: That's why he is so important.

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Speaker 1: Not that the rest of our guests are not important,

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Speaker 1: but let me just ask you this very basic question

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Speaker 1: Dr Maroney, before I get into the whole overdose issue.

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Speaker 1: An oral surgeon does that mean a dentist with another

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Speaker 1: degree is once an oral surgeon?

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Speaker 2: Is that a medical doctor?

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Speaker 4: An oral surgeon begins as a dentist and then gets

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Speaker 4: training to put people under anesthesia to a ruin really

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Speaker 4: difficult teeth. Ordinarily in a dentist office, you just get

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Speaker 4: then they yank tooth out. An oral surgeon gets impacted teeth,

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Speaker 4: they put the little metal screw in and that takes anesthesia.

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Speaker 4: You cannot work on somebody's mouth like that, and that's

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Speaker 1: Did you say people get propofol at the dentist office.

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Speaker 2: I've never heard of that.

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Speaker 4: Well, they can, they can put you in a surgical

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Speaker 4: Never, never, a regular dentist would never give you propofol

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Speaker 4: The regular dentist doesn't do that. He just numbs up

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Speaker 2: I don't know I've got a bad feeling, Ken Bell.

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Speaker 2: Can you just take off your criminal defense out just

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Speaker 1: I know I would just not go into a dentist

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Speaker 1: me understand this. Just let's start with the cops and

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Speaker 6: Right right, And they found all kinds of paraphernalia and

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Speaker 4: Well, mister Ryan appears to have had a chemically hijacked

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Speaker 2: Well, you just put it out there, didn't you chemically

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Speaker 1: Hijack sex life. Thanks doctor Moroney for just putting that

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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold MD dot com. Doctor William Maroney, who I've

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Speaker 1: You can find them at Crispininvestigations dot com. Well, you

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Speaker 1: Crispin What about it? They show up at a doctor

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Speaker 1: he's a doctor of oral uh, he's an oral surgeon.

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Speaker 1: There was a burned out sofa upside down, somebody thrown

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Speaker 1: Hypodermic needles, just anything. Everything was in that room. People

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Speaker 7: So you would think, as you describe, a doctor would

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Speaker 7: A drug den. It's a class a drug den. And

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Speaker 1: Prime stories with Nancy Grace. Wow, the facts get more

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Speaker 1: The families are either reeling or rejoicing after doctor James Ryan,

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Speaker 1: a well respected Marilyn Dennist, is convicted of murdering his

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Speaker 6: They're finding all of these drugs an ivy poll in

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Speaker 1: I wonder where this woman, she's just twenty five years old.

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Speaker 1: How did she turn from this beautiful, young, vibrant girl

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Speaker 1: putting this in my head. What did he say, A chimicalley,

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Speaker 4: Say, chemically kidnapped sexly?

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Speaker 2: A chimically indece second was a predator? Yeah, he was

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the address Godwick Street in Clarksburg, Maryland.

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Speaker 1: Anybody's driving by this home would have no idea that

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Speaker 2: Doctor?

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Speaker 1: An autopsy found she died as a result of ketamine

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Speaker 1: Lindsay, what did the family began noticing about Sarah?

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Speaker 8: And at least one instance, she was discovered in an

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Speaker 4: She could not make those decisions. She was chemically kidnapped.

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Speaker 4: She was hijacked and at that point she didn't know

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Speaker 1: Ken Falcon criminal defense attorney joining us at Belkinlaw dot com.

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Speaker 1: Is there any reason this oral sergeant should not be

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because you know he didn't murder her. She took

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Speaker 2: He's not a doctor.

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Speaker 1: He's an oral surgeon, very likely, very likely having sex

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Speaker 4: It makes Clesie.

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace finally Justice. A beautiful young

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Speaker 2: A surgeon of his home turned.

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Speaker 1: Up propofol, ketamine, diazepam, dazzle am, hypodermic needles, syringes, a tourniquet.

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Speaker 1: In fact, the pair first met when she came to

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Speaker 7: You know why you guys were talking about I was

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Speaker 7: trying to do some quick research. But you know, in

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Speaker 7: her being such a petite girl, you know, forget about

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Speaker 7: getting these drugs illegally. She needs to be even monitored,

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Speaker 7: even in a medical controlled setting because she's soap petite

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Speaker 7: on the on how much drugs going on board her body?

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Speaker 7: So you know, this doctor who gave her all this

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Speaker 7: medicine is just given her free reigns to do this

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Speaker 7: on her own at home. It's beyond me, Jackie.

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Speaker 2: Have you seen her as Miss Marilyn Petite?

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Speaker 1: And now I see well, I mean to you, Maroni,

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Speaker 1: doctor William Moroney. You see her in her pageant dress

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Speaker 1: and her sash and her crown. She's a classic beauty.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the angles in her face. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't think you could draw them that beautifully. She's stunning,

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Speaker 1: and then her family says she had wasted away. Her

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Speaker 1: arms were covered in bruises and track marks. Just I

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Speaker 1: remember the first time I saw track marks on a

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Speaker 1: junkie and it was like the same you have that

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Speaker 1: gut reaction. I almost recoiled, but I didn't want to

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Speaker 1: hurt the guy's feelings.

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Speaker 2: He was a witness in a case. You know, when

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Speaker 2: you suddenly see a snake, it just you've shot. You

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Speaker 2: want to recoil, just instinctively.

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Speaker 1: When I saw those track marks for the first time,

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Speaker 1: it just it's horrible looking, doctor Moroney.

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Speaker 4: It's a small bruise. It's a bleeding because you entered

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Speaker 4: a vein or an artery, and it's a bruise on

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Speaker 4: the arm and it's a dark spot and then they

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Speaker 4: smooth up. But on the inside of the artery there

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Speaker 4: a scar tissue. And the more track marks you get,

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Speaker 4: the harder it is to get an injection to work

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Speaker 4: there because they swell up. It's as big as a

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Speaker 4: mosquito bite, but it's a it's a clear sign. It's

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Speaker 4: what we call patho mnemonic for IVY drug use. I

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Speaker 4: see track marks and people's jugular veins in their necks

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Speaker 4: because they've blown all the veins in their arms. When

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Speaker 4: somebody's that bad, they need to be removed from their environment.

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Speaker 4: And he's ethically not supposed to be treating spouse's girlfriends

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Speaker 4: or family. As a medical practitioner, we're never supposed to

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Speaker 4: treat spouse's girlfriends or family. You're supposed to send them away. No, no,

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Speaker 4: this it's his treatment. And you're not supposed to date

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Speaker 4: patients and you're not supposed to.

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Speaker 5: That doesn't emitted murder.

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Speaker 2: Okay, is that bell can jumping in.

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying, we're throwing a lot of allegations.

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Speaker 1: Just saying I don't think the appellate course will take

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Speaker 1: your just saying, because he has been charged with murder,

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Speaker 1: not malice murder, which is, oh, I'm going to kill

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Speaker 1: Jackie and I'm going to poison her every day for

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Speaker 1: the next six months until she kills over.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 1: Depraved heart is more akin to abandoned or malignant heart.

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Speaker 1: It's sometimes called. For instance, if I take the minivan

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Speaker 1: and I drive through the Cherry Blossom Festival at ninety

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Speaker 1: and just mow down a lot of I don't know

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Speaker 1: who they are, and I don't care who they are.

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Speaker 1: I have a depraved and malignant heart, and I have

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Speaker 1: no concern for human life. So you dope now underweight

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Speaker 1: drug addict, over and over and over and then wow,

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Speaker 1: surprised she dies. That is a complete disregard for human life. Balkan,

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Speaker 1: that's the charge.

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Speaker 7: But what about her partners?

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Speaker 5: What about the fact that she could have been on

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Speaker 5: other things that the doctor wasn't aware of.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, so you're telling me the life of a

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Speaker 1: junkie is somehow less important than the life of who

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Speaker 1: a politician or a TV star.

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Speaker 2: Well, Latty Justice doesn't agree.

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying that every life is important. But you know,

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Speaker 5: at some point, does not the quote unquote junkie bear

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Speaker 5: some responsibility here or does it all get heart to

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Speaker 5: the doctor arguing.

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Speaker 4: That to it, there is no responsibility because she's so

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Speaker 4: far gone. She can't make those decisions. She's got track marks,

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Speaker 4: she's got ivy drugs of an industrial nature. You cannot

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Speaker 4: expect that brain to make a rational decision. There is

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Speaker 4: nothing left in her because she's a shell. He created

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Speaker 4: a shell.

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Speaker 1: I've got an answer, hold on, Maronie, I've got an

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Speaker 1: answer for you. Take ALYSSTA hour cut twelve. Our friend

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Speaker 1: Cheyenne Cornet w WDVM.

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Speaker 10: Here's the sister provided authorities with messages between Ryan and

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Speaker 10: Harris showing Harris asking for different drugs from his practice

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Speaker 10: and Ryan also instructing her on how.

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Speaker 2: To take them.

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Speaker 10: The messages also revealed Ryan gave Harris ketamine while she

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Speaker 10: was asleep and Harris overdosed once before she died in

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Speaker 10: late January.

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Speaker 1: So there you have it in his own text messages.

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Speaker 1: Am I correct, Lindsay Watson not tell me? We learn

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Speaker 1: that he gave her ketamine hospital.

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Speaker 2: Anesthesia in her sleep. She had no way to say

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Speaker 2: yay or nay.

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Speaker 6: That is what police are saying, and yes, that is

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Speaker 6: what the text messages in charging documents indicate. It says,

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Speaker 6: if you wake up, I just went out to change

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Speaker 6: after I gave you ketamine just now.

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Speaker 5: And so.

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Speaker 6: This might not have been as clear if police didn't

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Speaker 6: state this in the press conference, that this is something

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Speaker 6: that happened.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're saying. It looks like something

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Speaker 1: that happened or didn't happen. The text message is revealed

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Speaker 1: he gave me sleep.

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Speaker 6: Yes exactly.

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Speaker 11: But I just reading this myself reading this text message,

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Speaker 11: it says I went out to change after I gave

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Speaker 11: you ketamine just now, so it's not spelling it out

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Speaker 11: as specifically.

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Speaker 6: However, police told us that this is something that happened,

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Speaker 6: that he gave her ketamine while she was sleeping.

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Speaker 1: So Ken Belkan criminal defense attorney, joining us. If he

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Speaker 1: gave her a ketamine in her sleep, it's just like

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Speaker 1: Conrad Murray and Michael Jackson who doped Michael Jackson until

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Speaker 1: he died and left. I mean here, he gave her ketamine,

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Speaker 1: which is I believe intravenous and left her with Kennymine

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Speaker 1: dripping through her system, just like in Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 4: With propofol, impaired memory and forgetfulness. Why would you give

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Speaker 4: that to somebody in their sleep?

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Speaker 1: There goes my best law student, doctor William Moroney, medical

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Speaker 1: doctor William Moroni Bellken, he's giving her Kennymine in her sleep.

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Speaker 5: Well, look, first of all, I don't know if there

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Speaker 5: is a procedure for giving ketamine to someone when they're

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Speaker 5: in their sleep. I know that people are on ketemine

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Speaker 5: therapy and sometimes they may be sleeping.

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Speaker 2: Therapy. What what are you talking about?

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Speaker 5: Well, she is if her doctor is giving it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now, Maroney, I need that's hell. Clearly, I'm not

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Speaker 1: getting through to Kendall.

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Speaker 4: Having industrial ivy anesthesia to a woman at home that

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Speaker 4: you live with is not therapy. That's abuse. She has

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Speaker 4: no insight to stop. And if he's using these drugs,

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Speaker 4: he has no insight to stop because he is also hijacked.

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Speaker 4: But there's nothing that's ever going to come good from

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Speaker 4: a fifty year old anesthesia oral surgeon dating a twenty

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Speaker 4: year old woman and then doing drugs together.

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Speaker 2: Hey hey, hey, hi, hi, hey hey.

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Speaker 1: I'm asking you for your medical opinion, not your moral judgment.

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Speaker 1: You and I may agree that what is this fifty

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Speaker 1: year old man doing with a twenty five year old woman.

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Speaker 1: That's none of our business. I'm a little more focused

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Speaker 1: on the burner. So Robert Crispin, private investigator at Crispin

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Speaker 1: Special Investigations, go about proving a case like this. I

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Speaker 1: find it really difficult to believe that all on her own,

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Speaker 1: she could set up an ivy drip of ketamine to

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Speaker 1: the point she oweded.

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Speaker 7: You know, Nancy, you know how many families out there

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Speaker 7: wish they had this type of evidence when they walk

587
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Speaker 7: in and find one of their loved ones dead from

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Speaker 7: an overdose. They just wish they could figure out who

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00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 7: gave it to them. This case right here rises and

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00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 7: falls on the doctor himself. His own text messages are

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Speaker 7: the epic evidence that are going to sink him. And

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Speaker 7: even more so is the initial responding officers in that

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Speaker 7: crime scene is going to finish putting the prosecution's touch

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Speaker 7: on how she died, Who supplied her with the evidence,

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Speaker 7: I mean with the drugs.

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Speaker 4: And it opened shotcase.

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Speaker 7: If you ask me as an investigator, I will tell

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Speaker 7: you I've had so many families come to me and ask,

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Speaker 7: how can we charge this person? I know they gave

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Speaker 7: him the oxycotton, or they gave.

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Speaker 5: Them this or that.

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Speaker 7: I'm like, listen, I wish there is more we can do.

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Speaker 7: Back when I was in law enforcement, I really wish

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Speaker 7: we could. This was handed to law enforcement on a

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Speaker 7: silver platter. The doctor handed them his own evidence through

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Speaker 7: his text message.

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Speaker 1: You know, doctor Angey Arnold, this case goes so much

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Speaker 1: beyond being a supplier.

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Speaker 2: This is a depressed Nancy Burger.

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Speaker 1: Tell me what the family goes through when they see

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Speaker 1: their loved one wait literally wasting away.

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Speaker 9: Well, I imagine they feel completely hopeless, Nancy, You can feel

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Speaker 9: completely hopeless about a family member if they're not even

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00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 9: wasting away, if there's nothing that you can do, that

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Speaker 9: you can seemingly do to help them, because families aren't

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Speaker 9: equipped to really help people out of this. At least

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Speaker 9: they were trying to get to her and get her

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Speaker 9: out of this situation. But Nancy, there is so much

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Speaker 9: wrong in this from the very beginning. The mere fact

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Speaker 9: that this doctor was bringing the stuff to his home,

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Speaker 9: who was counting it?

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Speaker 4: Who was counting it?

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Speaker 10: It is awsome.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, good question, doctor Moroney.

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Speaker 1: It's alleged that he illegally obtained the drugs from his practice,

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Speaker 1: including medical apparatus like ivy stands, needles, and ivy bags.

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Speaker 1: Don't medical practices, our dentist practice keep count of the

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Speaker 1: medicine and the paraphernalia, and notice when it goes missing.

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Speaker 4: For him to bring this stuff home and say that

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Speaker 4: it was legal, he had to show prescriptions, he had

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Speaker 4: to show medical needs, he had to show progress notes,

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Speaker 4: and he had to have a billing relationship to supply

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Speaker 4: the drugs and the equipment. And you can guarantee that

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Speaker 4: none of those four things are done. This guy's throwing

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Speaker 4: this stuff in the back of HISAUDI or his VMW,

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Speaker 4: and he's sneaking it out bringing it home in a

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Speaker 4: relationship that's inappropriate. Is somebody who's chemically.

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Speaker 1: Kidnapped Investigators of tain Tech's messages where Ryan talked about

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Speaker 1: bringing home IVY polls, sailing solution fluids, and needles to

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Speaker 1: be used at an at home drug delivery system. What

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Speaker 1: he knew better than that, respected Marilyn Dennis, doctor James Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Headed to jail.

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Speaker 1: You know what, good reddits Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend.