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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jagsam. I'm Kindannie Stephens, Brian Sexton, John Osier

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Speaker 1: with me today as Jaguarts prepare for one of their

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Speaker 1: biggest games so far the season. They're going to take

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Speaker 1: on the Colts and the winner we'll get bragging rights

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Speaker 1: and they will be the solo lead of the AFC

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Speaker 1: South Division. So a lot up for grabs this week.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about some big things today, brought to you

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Speaker 2: Big thing number one is in return.

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Speaker 1: We obviously don't know the extent of Parker Washington's injury.

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Speaker 1: He did leave the game against the Titans last week, Brian,

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Speaker 1: but we do know Austin Tramill was also released earlier

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Speaker 1: this week. So if Parker Washington can't go, what is

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Speaker 1: this return game going to look like?

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Speaker 2: On punts?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm that's a great question and one that we'll

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Speaker 3: have to talk with the coach about. I would think

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Speaker 3: that maybe Leaquin Allen, who is a kickoff return guy

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Speaker 3: focusing on the rush. I would think that if Trammel

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Speaker 3: Washington's ability to get back on the field because he

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Speaker 3: is the backup. You generally don't let that go. I

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Speaker 3: see this as a positive sign.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see. I think it'll go up to Sunday

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Speaker 2: with Parker is just my gut, and you know the

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Speaker 2: person at this point, I would guess the person with

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Speaker 2: the surest hands will be assigned to catch punts rather

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Speaker 2: than focus on returning them. Not quite sure who that'll be,

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Speaker 2: but it's a storyline. Father Us of the.

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Speaker 1: Week, something to figure out on practice this week for sure.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to our second big thig, which is long term.

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Speaker 1: After the win over the Titans, I think that was

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Speaker 1: Jacobe Myers's most consistent game we've seen just in the

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Speaker 1: month that he's been here. But he's also such a

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Speaker 1: big part of this offense already. John.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the new.

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Speaker 1: Regime likes to do in terms of signing people in

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Speaker 1: season or they're focused ahead, but he has to be

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Speaker 1: someone you want to see around your long term.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the new regime likes to retain good

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Speaker 2: football players as Sho and this was out of all

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Speaker 2: the moves, right Travis Hunter. Whatever they did in the offseason,

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Speaker 2: Djakobe Meyer's at mid season ranks up there with the

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Speaker 2: best moves This regime has made, has made a dramatic difference.

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Speaker 2: I would be surprised if something doesn't get done long

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Speaker 2: term with Jacoby. By the time it becomes an issue

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Speaker 2: of meeting, I think you'll get them before the end

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Speaker 2: of season too.

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Speaker 3: Just in talking to people around the building, they are

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Speaker 3: so confident in him. They do not want him playing

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Speaker 3: anywhere else next year, and that's a great sign for

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Speaker 3: him that the Jaguars will work to get a deal done.

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Speaker 3: I went back and looked at mid season trades in

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Speaker 3: Jaguars history. This is right there with the best of them,

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Speaker 3: and I think the best of them was Marcel Darius

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Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen. Because the Jaguars that year had a

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Speaker 3: problem against the run. He immediately shored up the defensive

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Speaker 3: front and the Jaguars were able to power themselves via

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Speaker 3: the defense in large part to the AFC Championship game.

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Speaker 3: This one. If the Jaguars make the playoffs, I think

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Speaker 3: because of where they were offensively, I think this puts

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Speaker 3: them in a great position, and it puts Myers up

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Speaker 3: there with the very best of in season trades.

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Speaker 2: And doesn't it feel like he's just calmed things down

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Speaker 2: for Trevor, somebody he can trust. I mean, it's the

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Speaker 2: difference he's made, even beyond just his own stats, has

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Speaker 2: been really significant for the last three or four weeks

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Speaker 3: I also think that he's a guy in that room

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Speaker 3: with those other receivers who are younger, in particular Brian

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Speaker 3: Thomas Junior, because of the way that he goes about

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Speaker 3: his business. Myers is a discipline, detailed guy. I think

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Speaker 3: for Brian who's trying to get his career back on track,

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Speaker 3: I think he's the perfect guy on so many fronts.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely a great addition to this team, hopefully for a

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Speaker 1: long time. Let's do our final big thing today, which

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Speaker 1: is annual traditions.

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Speaker 2: It's the holiday season.

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Speaker 1: Talk about some manual traditions around here, and recently, for

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Speaker 1: the past decade, it has been beating the Colts in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: They haven't gotten a win here since twenty fourteen. Ryan

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Speaker 1: can count on that keeping going this weekend or still

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Speaker 3: Let me count on is a very strong phrase. Kai.

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Speaker 3: My favorite addition was the twenty twenty one game, where

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Speaker 3: they had an interim coach and a rookie quarterback, and

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Speaker 3: and find a way to just play solid football, and

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Speaker 3: told after the game that before the game, Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 3: winning twenty six to ten. That was a great performance

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Speaker 3: by a team that really had no reason to perform.

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Speaker 3: Great John And I'm told that Frank Wright painted that

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Speaker 3: score in the locker room in Indianapolis for everyone to remember.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, the last ten years, there's been a lot

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Speaker 2: of good wins for the JA War was over the Colts.

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Speaker 2: None of those games mattered, Some mattered, but nothing compared

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Speaker 2: to this one. Uh seventeen. I forget when they played them,

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Speaker 2: but it was not a memorable, necessarily game. The Jaguars

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Speaker 2: have been bad during this streak. Yes, I would trade

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Speaker 2: four or five or six of those wins for a

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Speaker 2: win Sunday. I think most Jaguars fans would. This is

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Speaker 2: a different ball wax than the last nine or ten

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Speaker 2: games against the Colts in this stadium in a good way.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a great game this Sunday. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: a lot more about it today and tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to play a little this or that today

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Speaker 1: as we look at this roster, we look ahead. We're

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Speaker 1: a very exciting game this week, and of course my question.

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Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about special teams off the

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Speaker 1: top in terms of what the punk returns are going

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Speaker 1: to look like if Parker Washington can't go. Not quite

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Speaker 1: little bit about the rest of the special teams. Are

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Speaker 1: you concerned at all? I mean, Logan Coff took a

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Speaker 1: But special teams, which is something we normally kind of

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Speaker 3: Well, the Mattisik one is the one that would concern me.

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Speaker 3: Nothing against Von Hamilton, who you know did Yeoman's work

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Speaker 3: and the ball was off target both on the extra point,

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Speaker 3: Mattisik would be the one that would concern me. I

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Speaker 3: would expect that Logan, even with a shoulder, would be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be concerned, except they have many moves,

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Speaker 2: So if they were really concerned about those guys, you

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Speaker 2: they would stay out of fights.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, now watching him, you know writhe in pain there,

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Speaker 3: which we just saw you forget. I mean, you've talked

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe just maybe take a little easy on the tackles.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he's been told that a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but it was entertaining. We'll give him that,

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Speaker 1: the lack of moves maybe makes us feel a little

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Speaker 1: get a better idea of that. But some injuries as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're getting thin. You're playing the number four or

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Speaker 2: five running attack with the best running back in football.

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Speaker 2: The Jaguars are the best run defense. Devon Hamilton is

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Speaker 2: he's not the only reason. Yeah, you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: I want to see forty four in uniform. Forty four

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Speaker 2: definitely like to have Eric Armstead pushed in the pocket

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Speaker 3: So if you have both of them, you feel really good.

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Speaker 3: Because the Jaguars run defense, though it's ranked number one,

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Speaker 3: That's the concern right now is that Armstead and Treyvon

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Speaker 3: the ball, man Jonathan Taylor is the best.

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Speaker 1: I will take a moment on the offensive side of

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Speaker 1: the ball to say cole Van Lannon's about just the

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Speaker 1: MVP as he plays every single position on the offensive line.

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Speaker 2: What he's been able to do.

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Speaker 3: His agent wouldn't you Jack, let's talk.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's earned it because to see him play

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny Cole. I don't know Matt well, but

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Speaker 2: It's Cole Van Landon's versatile. Yeah, it's not a knock

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Speaker 2: kind of laugh. They've had lineup changes, but every week

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Speaker 2: it's cole Van Lannon going in. So they've been a deep,

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Speaker 2: resilient offensive line, largely because of number seventy. He's a

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in to jags Am.

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Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about what's going on around the

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Speaker 1: league and the AC South in particular, because things are

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Speaker 1: heating up. Don't look now eight and four Jags, eight

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Speaker 1: and four Colts and seven and five Texans. Titans will

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Speaker 1: leave out of it. But Texans beat the Colts obviously,

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Speaker 1: that was a big game last week. They're improving seven

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Speaker 1: and five and equipping their way back in. Well.

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Speaker 3: John touched on it the other day when we were

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Speaker 3: talking about the division, and he's right, that is any

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Speaker 3: elite defense when we talk about some of the best

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Speaker 3: defenses we've seen in thirty years of covering the league.

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Speaker 3: I mean, these guys, they're the reason why the Jaguars

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Speaker 3: lost there last month. I mean, they kept them in

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Speaker 3: almost every ballgame now. You've got CJ. Stroud back, even

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Speaker 3: though he hasn't had a terrific season, that defense gives

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Speaker 3: you a chance. They are unbelievably good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure that team's very much different with

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Speaker 2: Mills or Stroud frankly.

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Speaker 1: But.

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Speaker 2: I think Mills is really he's evolved, maybe one of

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Speaker 2: the better backers in the league. But if you had

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Speaker 2: to tell me what team scares you the most, I

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Speaker 2: get the Colts are really good and they're in it.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say the Texans been. As soon as

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Speaker 2: I say that it is a division right now, somebody

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Speaker 2: asks me and the other and who I think will win.

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Speaker 2: Flip a coin. It is fun. The way the league

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Speaker 2: set it up. There's still three more games involving these teams.

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Speaker 2: They set it up right, It is going to be

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be watching games and checking scores to the

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Speaker 2: rest of the season.

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Speaker 3: You know, It's really fun for those of us who

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Speaker 3: have covered the South for a while, is all the

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Speaker 3: people are surprised at the South and they don't spend

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Speaker 3: that much time looking at the talent that's in the division.

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Speaker 3: And at some point, when you keep adding it up,

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Speaker 3: you're going to get to this point, They've done a

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Speaker 3: tremendous job in Indianapolis and in Houston and obviously here

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Speaker 3: week grinding it out. I will say this, and if

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Speaker 3: I don't whether you looked at the schedule for the Colts,

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Speaker 3: it is brutal. And so they have got They've got

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Speaker 3: the twice, They've got the Texans, the Niners, and the Seahawks.

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Speaker 3: That's their final five games, all playoff caliber teams, all

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if I saw a graphics summer.

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Speaker 2: I'm not even sure where I saw it. People. I

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Speaker 2: don't tend to lean into everybody overlooks the Jags things

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Speaker 2: much as most people. But I saw a graphic this

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Speaker 2: week talking about the race for the number one seed

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Speaker 2: Denver Patriots and the Colts. Hi, Well, you know this

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Speaker 2: team's good and we know it. There is a tone

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Speaker 2: when you read national stuff. And again I don't lean

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Speaker 2: into this, no, but that it's Texans Colts. Look, this

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Speaker 2: is a three way deal. And I would say the

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Speaker 3: Because the schedule's favorable for the Jaguars, who have still

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Speaker 2: And look, you know you're not to go two socks

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Speaker 2: on today. So he's my winning socks Ryan with your

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Speaker 2: winning coffee. Mark. Yeah. Look, this team has beaten five

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Speaker 2: teams with records of five hundred better. Right, you're eight

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Speaker 2: and four. You've earned your way to eight and four,

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Speaker 2: certainly as much as the other two teams in the division.

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Speaker 2: Now they got to go prove it. But if they

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Speaker 2: win Sunday, it's six wins out of your nine against

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Speaker 2: plus five hundred teams.

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Speaker 3: Listen, people tend to tag things to this team. So

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Speaker 3: they look at the nineteen point fourth quarter meltdown in Houston,

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Speaker 3: they go, ah, they're not that good. They forget that.

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Speaker 3: A week later, the Colts blew an eleven point lead

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Speaker 3: in which they handed the ball to the NFL's leading

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Speaker 3: rusher one time in the fourth quarter. Hello, did anybody

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Speaker 3: pin them and say what you know? What is that? Nope?

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Speaker 3: Nobody did.

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Speaker 2: And then the.

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Speaker 3: Jags had that game where there were four turnovers. So

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Speaker 3: it gives everyone to Jay Well, the quarterback. Okay, well,

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Speaker 3: did they see what the quarterback did to actually win

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Speaker 3: the game? And then this week the Jaguars have never

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Speaker 3: never will because it's a small market and every but

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Speaker 3: I get your point because I've seen it myself.

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Speaker 2: Well, look at I'm praising the Texans. They think they're

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Speaker 2: really good, but they're terrific beaten Titans by three Jaguars.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm not compared to scores guy either, but

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Speaker 2: the logic that this team isn't in it. Look, I'm tired.

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Speaker 2: Go let's just kick.

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Speaker 3: It off and I'm just get to mar Jen. Wars

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Speaker 3: are the only team to score more than twenty points

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Speaker 2: Making it happen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit more about in the division.

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Speaker 1: We are playing the Colts this week. Sauce Gardner, who

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Speaker 1: the Colts went out there they're clearly going for this year,

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Speaker 1: they're calling it week to week at this point, So

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Speaker 1: it doesn't look like it's an Achilles' injury that's going

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Speaker 1: But that's a tough loss for them when they kind

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Speaker 3: That, I'd be starting to see him on the field

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Speaker 3: want to have him. They're getting back Tarvarius Ward. I

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Speaker 3: of the way it goes. And if he does not

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Speaker 3: don't make the playoffs because of their schedule, how good

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Speaker 2: Yeah, injuries are going to be a topic Sunday. You're

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Speaker 2: at the point where whoever was out there going to

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Speaker 2: wear a Sea Sauce gardner out there because you wonder

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Speaker 2: how effective he could be. The Jaguars. I think the

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Speaker 2: edge there for them would be one thing we haven't

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Speaker 2: talked about a whole lot on these shows. Is how

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Speaker 2: much they have played through Guys, are you not being

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Speaker 2: three wins in four games without Eric Murray? Who's your

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Speaker 2: looking like you're an improving team. That is probably the

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Speaker 2: an impressive job of keeping the ship afloat.

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Speaker 3: The other thing that we haven't really talked about, the

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Speaker 3: Jacks are four and one here in Jacksonville, right. They

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Speaker 3: have built a bit of a home field advantage on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: If they get to five, they will tie the ten, seventeen,

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Speaker 3: and twenty two teams four third in most wins at home.

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Speaker 3: The most wins at home in franchise history is seven

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Speaker 3: set four times, ninety six, ninety seven, ninety eight, and

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Speaker 3: ninety nine. Those are all great playoff teams, right, and

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Speaker 3: you have a chance to do that. So for people

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Speaker 3: who are thinking about coming out because I know their

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Speaker 3: of the home crowd. They could use the home crowd

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Speaker 3: this week, and I think if you get this one,

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Speaker 3: you'll probably get the seven and one.

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Speaker 2: Final thing. If you're watching this maybe on minds what

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Speaker 2: Brian's talking about. And again I'm wearing my winning socks

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Speaker 2: since Cincinnati. If you had three losses, they were the Texans,

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Speaker 2: the Rams, and the Seahawks, who right now may be

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Speaker 2: among the best six or seven teams in football. This

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Speaker 2: team is good and they got a chance to show

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Speaker 2: it on Sunday, and.

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Speaker 3: Then I don't want to just step over. You're sorry

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Speaker 3: you mentioned earlier. They have a lot of quality wins.

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Speaker 3: It's not like they've just been beating up on the

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Speaker 3: bottom of the schedule. They're gonna do that next couple

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Speaker 3: they've got quality wins.

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Speaker 1: They're earning it for sure.

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Speaker 2: Stay with us on jag Zam.

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Speaker 1: much more we can talk this up, because this is

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Speaker 1: a game that at the bank I think maybe since

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Speaker 3: It was a Saturday night game, so it was primetime

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Speaker 3: and Mike Vrabel came in with Joshua Dobbs right who

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Speaker 3: Everyone just thought, well, you know, I mean, they're limping

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Speaker 3: and it was a lot of fun. So I if

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And this is a different season than that that team,

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Speaker 2: you know, well, it's a team that should be a

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Speaker 2: This team four and one, start, four and three, and

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Speaker 2: now two three game winning streaks in a row. I

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Speaker 2: think this team is figuring out that it's good, yeah,

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Speaker 2: because it hasn't been good before. I think the fans

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Speaker 2: need to realize what they're doing now. This is what

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to be for a while. Get

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Speaker 2: used to good games the second half of the season

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Speaker 2: that matter. I keep saying it for years. I've been

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Speaker 2: getting emails, when are we going to be good? When

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Speaker 2: is this? When is this? When is this? This is it? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: This is the fun stuff. This is what you will

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Speaker 2: remember when you're an old man like me about when

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Speaker 2: the times to remember. Well.

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Speaker 3: People, you know, they're like, oh, you always bring up

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Speaker 3: the nineties, Yeah, because those were great football teams. What

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Speaker 3: they're building here is the foundation to do exactly what

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, we'll be back here tomorrow for ja

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Speaker 1: exam full show all about that Cults game. As we

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Speaker 1: get ready for the matchup at every Bank Stadium on Sunday,