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Now, black don't crack doesn't really 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: resonate with me, because my black is cracking, you know 19 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: what I mean. Today's episode is sure to provide you 20 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 2: with motivation, inspiration, or a fresh perspective. If you have 21 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: any AHA moments or appreciate anything from this episode, please 22 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: leave us a review to let us know we're on 23 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: the right track. Also, we release episodes every Friday, so 24 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:24,199 Speaker 2: be sure to subscribe on iTunes and visit cultivatingherspace dot 25 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 2: com to access our exclusive after show and other bonus 26 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: content from the Patreon tab. 27 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to Cultivating her Space, a podcast dedicated to uplifting 28 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: women like you. We're your hosts, doctor Dominique Bussard, a 29 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 1: college professor and psychologist. 30 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 2: And Terry Lomax, a techie and motivational speaker. 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Again, that's Brand with 41 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 2: Terry dot com. My name is spelled TEBRII hope to 42 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: see you there, lady. 43 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 3: Hey lady. 44 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: Well, today's episode is focused mostly on outer standards of beauty. 45 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: We want to bring your attention to statistics that note 46 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: black women are more likely to die from heart disease 47 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: and breast cancer and the faster aging of our bodies 48 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: due to the chronic stress we experience at higher rates 49 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: than other people. Please make sure you are talking with 50 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: your spiritual, physical, and mental health professionals to address your 51 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: body's needs. Our quote of the day, black don't Crack. 52 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: Kimberly Foster says, this conventional wisdom opens up the door 53 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: for agism and discrimination based on looks under the. 54 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 3: Guise of Black Empowerment Team. 55 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: I think this is going to be a really good 56 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: conversation about in sight. 57 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's just do it. 58 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 2: Well, let me just say, don when I heard this quote, 59 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: it made me think about my relationship to this idea 60 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: of black don't crack. And I think that when I 61 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: was younger, it was something that when I look at 62 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 2: the crux of like where did that come from? How 63 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: did it feel to say that? I felt like this 64 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 2: black empowerment sort of idea or like yes, black people, yes, y'all, 65 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: like we got this, we are black done crack, you know, 66 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: da da dad? And I was younger, so I was 67 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 2: like feeling it. And you know, you see beautiful Black 68 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: women that are older or of a certain age and 69 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: they're aging gracefully. They still look good. But the older 70 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: I've gotten, now that I've left the twenties club, right, 71 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 2: I am starting to see certain signs. And it's not major. 72 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 2: It's not stuff that people will notice. Like I don't 73 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 2: want people to go to my Instagram and be like, girl, 74 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 2: you still look good. It's not about that. It's about 75 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: seeing the old images of myself and seeing visible changes, 76 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: feeling the changes in my body. 77 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 3: Right. 78 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: It's a very personal relationship that others may not even see, right, 79 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 2: And so I think that as I begin to age, 80 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 2: I see, oh, things do change. And so then it 81 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 2: makes me resonate with this quote even more where it's like, oh, damn, well, 82 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: what if you are black and what if you do 83 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: start to see some changes? What if I do start 84 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: to get these wrinkles? Now, black don't crack doesn't really 85 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 2: resonate with me, because my black is cracking, you know 86 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: what I mean. I don't know. I think she words this. 87 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: It's so concise and it's so powerful and it's so 88 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: on point, you know what I mean? What about you 89 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 2: don when you hear this quote, what does it make 90 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 2: you think about? 91 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: It makes me think about myself in all the black. 92 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 3: Women I know. 93 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: But it also makes me think about like the ages 94 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: of indiscrimination that occurs in Hollywood. And it's a weird 95 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: process that I notice in Hollywood that. 96 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 3: Women. 97 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: It's like, up until a certain point, you are considered 98 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: like the young adult, and then all of a sudden, 99 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: you are playing somebody's mom, and in real life you 100 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: might only be five years younger than them or older 101 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: than them, right, So like there might be only a 102 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: five year age difference between you and the person who 103 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: is playing your mom. And so to me, that becomes 104 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: a fascinating thing because like for me, when I see that, 105 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 1: then I question, Okay, so at what point do we 106 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: as black women start looking. 107 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 3: Quote unquote old or quote unquote maternal? 108 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: Right, And so I think what it is is like 109 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: it also becomes a thing of like our age is 110 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: just this mystery to folks because of this myth that 111 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: our black don't crack, they don't really know how old 112 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: we really are. 113 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 3: So then what categories do they place us in? 114 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 4: Right? 115 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: Like I think about depending on my wardrobe, if I 116 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: am dressed pretty casually. You know, I have this one 117 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: particular hoodie that I love wearing, and whenever I wear it, 118 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: I tend to look a lot younger. And then also 119 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: recently I've been rocking braids and so, like, I saw 120 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: a picture one of my nieces and I took a picture, 121 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: and she's in college, and I look at us side 122 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: by side, and while at first glance, I'm like, shit, like, 123 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: I look almost like a college student right at first 124 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: glance to me. So then I could see how someone 125 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: may see that and think that I'm a college student. 126 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: And there are moments where I'm like, okay, I'm in 127 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: the grocery store and I'm buying alcohol, and if I 128 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: get carted, then I'm like, oh, I still look young 129 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: enough to be carted. Oh okay, Like it's a point 130 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: of pride, almost right. 131 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 3: But then I go back. 132 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: And, like you said, like I look at pictures from 133 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: when I was in college, and I'm like, oh, yeah. 134 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 3: I see that transformation. 135 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: I can see where I've aged, and while I feel 136 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: like I am aging beautifully, I can see the change. 137 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: I notice the change, and for me, part of what 138 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: my concern is. And we're going to talk a little 139 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,119 Speaker 1: bit about this in a minute is about the science, right, 140 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: and the health overall health aspects of it that I 141 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: think I'm buying into our society of like our society's 142 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: ideals of beauty. And I'm like, oh, I don't want 143 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: to have wrinkles right now. Right, I'm like, I feel young, 144 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: so I want to in some respects look young, right, 145 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: I want to look fresh faced, but also recognizing that yes, 146 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: science says one thing, but also recognizing that my health, 147 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: like my overall health, what am I putting into my 148 00:08:54,600 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 1: body also has an impact on whether this black as crack. 149 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: But we can we can talk about the science in 150 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: a moment. 151 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 2: I just wanted to say I saw that picture of 152 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 2: you and your niece and I literally thought the same thing. 153 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 2: I was like, damn dumb. Look, you know it's funny 154 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 2: because I so noticed that when you took the picture. 155 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 2: And I think about when I change my hair as well, 156 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 2: like with head wraps, I feel like people people just 157 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: respond differently, Like when I went natural and like shaved 158 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 2: off my hair when I was in college, I attracted 159 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 2: older men that were like more mature, right, But then 160 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: when I have like my braids or a certain style 161 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 2: then younger men would be, you know what I mean, 162 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 2: more inclined to like reach out or say something. So 163 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: it's very interesting. But I think there's also this like 164 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 2: pressure because I think about you know, I would agree, 165 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 2: I think that I'm aging well, but I think about 166 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 2: the black women that are that may not be aging 167 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 2: well according to society's standard. And how does that make 168 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 2: you feel? When you hear black done crack and you're like, well, god, 169 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 2: damn it, that's not true for me. I don't know 170 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 2: if my jeens, you know what I mean, like weren't 171 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: good or what happened. But there's this pressure and it's unrealistic, 172 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 2: you know. And so when we think about the science, 173 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 2: there's this article by Elizabeth Wellington and it's called it's 174 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: official science has proven that black doesn't crack. So I 175 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 2: want to read an excerpt from her article just to 176 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 2: kind of give us some science and some context for 177 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 2: like where we're going in the conversation. So it says 178 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 2: black people are not only born with denser bones in 179 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: our faces, those bones also don't break down as quickly, 180 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 2: especially the bone between the eyes and the cheekbones as 181 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: our Caucasian counterparts. The result, black faces maintained structural support 182 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 2: for a longer period of time, So we have younger 183 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 2: looking skin for longer, right, And they say that as 184 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 2: we get older, black faces, like all faces change, but 185 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: the bone structure in black people doesn't change at the 186 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 2: same rate as in Caucasian faces, which I'm sure many 187 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 2: of us have probably seen. You know, we look at 188 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 2: social media and people are always comparing and so yeah, 189 00:10:58,080 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 2: very interesting data, right. 190 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 3: It is very interesting. 191 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: And the thing that comes up for me as I 192 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: was looking over that article was what is the difference 193 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: for those of us, you know, when we think about 194 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: our genetics and we think about our DNA and our genealogy, 195 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: what about those of us who have Caucasian ancestry? 196 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 3: Right, how do we. 197 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: Know, right, how do we know if our black is 198 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: going to crack or not if we also know that 199 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 1: we have. 200 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 3: Some Caucasian ancestry. 201 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: It makes me wonder, like, Okay, that researcher in me 202 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: comes out and I'm like, okay, well, who was a 203 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: part of that sample? 204 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 3: Like how diverse was that sample? 205 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 1: Like did they study black women born on the continent? 206 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 3: Right? 207 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: And did they they also look at women who are 208 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: definitely like biracial in the sense that one parent is 209 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: black and one parent is of another race that is 210 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: non black. Did they look at black women who have 211 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: some Caucasian ancestry but not a direct line, like, So 212 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: then all these questions come up for me because at 213 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: that point, I'm like, well, I want to know since 214 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: y'all are saying that black doesn't crack, like, I want 215 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: to know the extent to which my black might crack 216 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 1: because I got a little bit of Caucasian in me. 217 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 3: Do that makes sense? 218 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: But don't we all? I mean or most of us? 219 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: Not all? But I was gonna say don't most of us, 220 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 2: especially if we're African Americans like in the United States. 221 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 2: But no, that's a good point. I was rocking with 222 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 2: you and I was like, okay, don But then when 223 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 2: you close it out with well, this is for selfish reasons, 224 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 2: like I wouldn't know. I'm like, oh, okay, okay, I 225 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 2: brought it all together. You want to share that second 226 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: snippet from the other article before we dive in any deeper. 227 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, So the second article is from an Asian person 228 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: who says black don't crack, Asian don't raisin. That's the 229 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: title of the article, and what this article highlights is 230 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: that darker skin can show age at a slower rate 231 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: because it has more melonin. Right, So shout out to 232 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: those of us with all the melonin that the more 233 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: melanine you have, the more protection you have against photo 234 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: aging or skin damage from too much exposure to the 235 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: sun's rays. And we know that, right, And because I 236 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: think part of why we know that is also that 237 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: there's been this push recently that from dermatologists that encouraging 238 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: black folks to still wear sunscreen. Because we know this 239 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: piece of the science. We know that the darker your pigment, 240 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: the more melanine you have, the more protection you have. 241 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 3: But it still isn't one hundred percent protection. 242 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: And so you know, I think about this piece of 243 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: the information and then I come back to Okay, well, 244 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: looking at some of us on the lighter side of melanation, 245 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: does that mean that we will show signs of aging 246 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:46,479 Speaker 1: more quickly than our more melanated counterparts. 247 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 2: That is a really good question. I mean it's funny 248 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: because I think about you know, lady, we could all 249 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: ask ourselves like, what have we noticed about aging? Right? 250 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: I know, for me, it's funny. I remember my grandmother. 251 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: We were so close, and I remember, you know, I've 252 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: always known her just as my grandmother, right, like you 253 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: know how we have our grandparents or our parents, and 254 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 2: were just like, oh, you were just born to grandma 255 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 2: and that's who you are to me, Like you didn't 256 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 2: have a life before me. She used to like she 257 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: had this whole life, ride motorcycles and singing and she 258 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: was just out there doing her thing. But for me, 259 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 2: I just always saw her as an older woman, my grandmother. 260 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 2: And I remember she began to get older and I 261 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 2: got older, she would just say certain things about herself 262 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 2: and kind of refer back to her youth. And for me, 263 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 2: I'm like, well, you're so beautiful to be like this 264 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 2: is how I've always known you. But I would look 265 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 2: back at pictures like, oh wow, she's transformed so much 266 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: over the years. And now as I'm beginning to be 267 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: aware of my age, right because I feel like when 268 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: you're between the ages of like twenty and thirty, it 269 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: feels like society thinks and promotes that as like the 270 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: sweet spot, right like you're still in, you still got it, 271 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 2: You're still hot. That's the hot group that they really 272 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 2: want to attract. But once you start to you know, 273 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 2: leave that group, then you are very aware of agism, right, Like, 274 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 2: I've definitely experienced certain things where I'm like, oh, when 275 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 2: I was younger, like a kid, my mom would get 276 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: a lot of the male attention when we would go out, 277 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 2: and then as I got older, I was more of 278 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: like the teenager. In my early twenties, then it was 279 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 2: more directed toward me, right, the male attention. Then I 280 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 2: realized when my ass started getting older, I will be 281 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 2: out with my little sisters and the guys will be 282 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 2: looking at my sisters because they were sort of in 283 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 2: that sweet spot as far as age. And I was 284 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 2: just like, oh, wow, this is interesting. So when you 285 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: think about that, and then also society, the pressure of 286 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 2: the expectations that advertisements all these things, anyone who's in 287 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 2: that age group, those are the folks that are usually 288 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: promoted and they're hot, and that's the image that we get. 289 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: And I never realized that until I was like leaving 290 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: that age group and I was like, oh, damn, okay, 291 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 2: So now I'm in this new age group where it's 292 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 2: like it's different, And that's I think when I really 293 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 2: became aware of like ages and being the thing. Even 294 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 2: working in tech dumb, like I would say, Folks in 295 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: tech are typically younger, right right, young, yeah, in their twenties, 296 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 2: in their twenties, right, sometimes even thirties. And I've noticed that, 297 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 2: you know, I would have certain colleagues that were older, 298 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,959 Speaker 2: not old per se, but they were just older than 299 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 2: the demographic of most folks. And I mean I saw 300 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: the difference in the way people treated them, and even 301 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 2: me being married, especially now like having a child, people 302 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: started to treat me like that, like older sister or 303 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 2: the auntie, right, And so it wasn't just like my 304 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 2: peer because I'm not going out drinking with y'all and 305 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: all that, cause like I have to go home. I 306 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 2: got a cook, I got my family. And so I 307 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 2: noticed that shift too, and I was like, oh damn. 308 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 2: So really a lot of times it's other people that 309 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 2: are treating us differently, Yes, that remind us of our age, right. 310 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, exactly. 311 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: And I think too, you know, I think it kind 312 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: of just also just really goes to how are you 313 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: taking care of your body? Right? Like, what are you 314 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: doing mentally, physically, spiritually to take care of yourself? Because 315 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 1: I think about what are the things that we need 316 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: to age gracefully? Right, or to just be healthy in general. 317 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: And for me, I look to like older folks in. 318 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 3: My life, right, So I think back to when I 319 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 3: first started working. 320 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: Actually know, I think back to when I was in 321 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: graduate school and my graduate assistantship and one of the 322 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: women that I was working with was old enough to 323 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: be my mom. But just seeing that she was in 324 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: her fifties and she was still working like hadn't retired, 325 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: But not just that so much, but more so like 326 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: the energy in which she moved right, Like, she didn't 327 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: carry herself as if she was like what I would 328 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: perceive as being on the verge of retirement, right like, 329 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: she was still really active and to do things on 330 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: the job, like was this actively engaged? And I think 331 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: when we think of agism, I think some of that 332 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,719 Speaker 1: also has to do with what is our perception of 333 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: what does it mean to be older? And what does 334 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 1: health contribute to that perception. So I think previously our perception, 335 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: or at least my perception, was that like, once you 336 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: hit like sixty, you were quote unquote old, and what 337 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: that meant was that you would look wrinkly and like 338 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: your skin would be wrinkled, and you would move a 339 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: lot slower, and you wouldn't have the energy to really 340 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,959 Speaker 1: be out and about and doing things in life, like 341 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: you were living a retired life of leisure. Now, first 342 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 1: of all. 343 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 5: Like really down, that's what you think, right, right, right, 344 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 5: But I think society kind of fed into me having 345 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 5: that perception, right, oh, yes, that once you cross a 346 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 5: certain age, like once you cross fifty or sixty, that 347 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 5: you're done right, that it's time to welcome in the 348 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 5: twenty something. 349 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: And I think part of what we have to learn 350 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:27,959 Speaker 1: to do is figure out how to take advantage in 351 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: a good way of the older adults around us recognizing that. 352 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 3: Okay, so if we're working at. 353 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: A company and we have that twenty something coming in, 354 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: Oftentimes folks that have been there for a while are 355 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: kind of like, you're young, Like you don't know anything. 356 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 3: I don't want to talk to you. 357 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: But then we look at the older folks and it's like, 358 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 1: aren't you ready to retire yet? 359 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 3: Why are you still here? 360 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: You're sett in your ways, you're not open to new ideas, 361 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: you're already When really, what would be helpful is for 362 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: us to kind of step back and say, well, let's 363 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: talk to the older folks and see what is it 364 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: that they know what has been their life experience? Because 365 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: even though you know, we can use the phrase times 366 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: have changed, there's still a wisdom there that they have 367 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: about basic things in life. 368 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 3: Personally, I want to get to that point. 369 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: I hope that I am blessed to live long enough 370 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: to where I can, like impart that quote. 371 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 3: Unquote old folks wisdom on folks. Right. 372 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 2: You know what's funny, I'm so leg you said that, 373 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 2: don because I feel like me being raised by my 374 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 2: grandparents for a great portion of my life, I've won 375 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 2: in my friend groups. I've typically been the youngest person, 376 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 2: just I think because I've had to grow up fast. 377 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 2: And I would say in some cases I was mature 378 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 2: for my age, even though there were definitely times where 379 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 2: I wasn't. But being around the elders, like, I appreciate 380 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 2: it being with the elders, I used to glean so 381 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 2: much wisdom from them, and I feel like there is 382 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 2: a disconnect sometimes with the current generation and the elders. 383 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 2: And I think sometimes it falls on the current generation, right, 384 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 2: or like the current group of young folks where they 385 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 2: don't have an interest, they don't value, you know, the history, 386 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 2: the insight and then sometimes just because you're an elder 387 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 2: don't mean you got wisdom, you know what I mean. 388 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: So I think it goes both ways. But one thing 389 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,479 Speaker 2: I noticed in aging is that there sometimes is this 390 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 2: war between young and old. And I never really understood 391 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 2: that because I was so up under the elders, like 392 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 2: whether it was my mentors, my pastors, my grandparents. I 393 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 2: always valued that. But I think now that I've gotten older, 394 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 2: I realized that, Oh, I can see how there could 395 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 2: be some conflict for various reasons, right right, I think 396 00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 2: about maybe the elders, are they just a little bum 397 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 2: doubt that they're not the hot group according to society anymore? 398 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 2: Now I never go envious, or they don't appreciate the 399 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 2: wisdom that some of the young people have, right, I 400 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 2: think sometimes the young people don't appreciate the wisdom that 401 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 2: the elders have, and they don't want to pay their 402 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,719 Speaker 2: respect or pay homage to what, you know, the elders 403 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 2: have done to pave the way. So now that I'm 404 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 2: kind of in this state, I'm like, oh, I can 405 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 2: see why the young and old might have some conflict, 406 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? 407 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, yeah, yeah, you know, as you were saying 408 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: that what I was thinking about is those exact things, 409 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: right that developmentally it makes sense that Okay, when we 410 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: get to that stage in life. And when I say 411 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: that stage in life, I'm meaning like elder stage that 412 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: you are reflecting back on your life and like you 413 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: are like reminiscing on what you're you was. Like for 414 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: some folks, you're reminiscing and you're like, yeah, I lived 415 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: a great life, and then for other folks, they're reminiscing, 416 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: and there's like longing or regret and also maybe struggling 417 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: with accepting the. 418 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 3: Changes that the body is. 419 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 1: Going through, because I think about even for me personally, 420 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: like I'm in my late thirties and like just adjusting 421 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: to the ways in which my body has changed from 422 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: which I was when I was in my twenties. Like 423 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: my friends and I have had this conversation, and I 424 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: think you and I have had this conversation off air. 425 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 3: I can't remember if we've. 426 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: Had it on air or not, but just how at 427 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: thirty things shift in your body and it just feels 428 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: like all of a sudden things aren't working like they 429 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 1: used to. That you know, we're not all blessed with 430 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: it mes. 431 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 3: Like Meg thee Stallion. 432 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: So we're dancing and if we dropped down low, some 433 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: of us might not be able to get back up, or. 434 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 3: We're going to be struggling to get back up. 435 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 2: Or hurt in the next day. 436 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, whereas in your twenties you can do it 437 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: real easy and even if you did hurt yourself, like 438 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: it just felt like you just bounced right back, as. 439 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 3: If nothing happened. 440 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: Yes, Like they're like you felt almost invincible at that time. 441 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 2: Yes, girl, I remember those times. I'm thinking back to 442 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 2: times in college where I mean even staying up late. 443 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 2: I feel like nowadays, you know, and I'm in my 444 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 2: early thirties, and it's so funny because I remember when 445 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 2: I was younger, thirties seemed old. Yes, oh my gosh, right, 446 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 2: remember those days when you were like, oh, thirties old. 447 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 2: But the closer you get to that age that you 448 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 2: think is old, the younger it feels. And I think, 449 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 2: I think aging is such a mind fuck because I 450 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 2: remember when I think when I turned thirty, I was like, 451 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 2: oh damn, it's wild because my essence is still the 452 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 2: same as that seventeen year old that I remember, who 453 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 2: was like, oh, I have these goals and dreams, this 454 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 2: is what I want to do. I feel like seventeen 455 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 2: eighteen is when I was like at this very mature age, 456 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 2: and like that's where I really like really found out 457 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 2: who I was. And I'm still that same person. I'm 458 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 2: still like that goofy person on the inside, but the 459 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 2: outside is changing. And I often think about, like, what 460 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 2: do our grandparents and elders, you know, what do they 461 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 2: think about when they look back over their lives And 462 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 2: they still feel the same, but they're changed on the outside, 463 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 2: so everyone treats them differently, but like they still Okay, 464 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 2: not to be gross, y'all, but I'm just saying like 465 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 2: older people or elder they still have sex drives, Like 466 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 2: they still want to do the things they did when 467 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 2: they were younger. And I'm just saying that because I 468 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: feel like people often think, oh, you're in your seventies 469 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 2: or eighties, Oh, they don't be doing it anymore. No, 470 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,959 Speaker 2: Like they're human beings, you know, most of them, at 471 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 2: least as far as their sex drive, they. 472 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 3: Still have it, right, feel like this, like I think 473 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 3: about this. 474 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: I haven't looked at recent data, but the last data 475 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: that I looked at the rate of sexual transmitted infections 476 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 1: running through nursing homes. 477 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 3: Nursing homes I. 478 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 2: Saw the highest Hell are you getting it popping? 479 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 3: Are you getting it in like teenagers now? 480 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: Granted, it may take the male longer to get to 481 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,360 Speaker 1: an erection, and it may take the woman. She may 482 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: not be as lubricated, like she's definitely not going to 483 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: be as lubricated like she was in like her teens 484 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 1: and twenties, right, Oh, but they are still getting it in. 485 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 2: Exactly, and it's wild down. So I often think about that. 486 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, imagine me my spirit and essence being 487 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 2: the same. But you're waking up and you being in 488 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 2: an eighty year old body. Like, that's a lot to process, right, 489 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 2: There's a whole process when that comes along with aging, 490 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 2: I believe. And so when I think about some of 491 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 2: the changes that I've experienced so far, so beauty marks 492 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 2: and moles run in my family and I did not 493 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 2: have a lot of them when I was younger, but 494 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 2: I realized, is that age. I have a lot on 495 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 2: my neck coming out like my face. I remember my 496 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 2: nana she had big moles on the side like where 497 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 2: her edges are on the side of her temples and 498 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 2: they were huge. And the thing about it is, I'm 499 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 2: working on loving these new things about myself because even 500 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 2: though I see them on other people and like, I 501 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 2: love my grandmother and I saw them on my grandmother, 502 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 2: I saw them on my nana and my mom, and 503 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 2: I thought they were beautiful because it was part of them. 504 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 2: This is not part I mean, this wasn't part of me. 505 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 2: So I'm like, this is some new shit that I'm 506 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 2: coping with. So I'm like, wait, I'm trying to get 507 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 2: my skin clear and now I have all of these 508 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 2: beauty marks and moles that are coming out. And I 509 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 2: know you might be listening, lady, and you're like, oh, 510 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 2: it's beautiful. I'm not saying that it's not beautiful. It's 511 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 2: new for me and it's something that I'm adjusting to 512 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 2: because it's not the terry that I was accustomed to 513 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 2: growing up. And it's a sign of aging. And I'm like, Okay, 514 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 2: it's happening. 515 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 3: You know what I mean exactly as you were talking. 516 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: As soon as you said that, I was like, yes, 517 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: I know exactly your experience because I started getting the 518 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: skin tags. And then I was like, so recently I 519 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: went to the dermatologists cause I was like, well, let's 520 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: just find out, like I just want to know. And 521 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: because I noticed I was starting to like have the 522 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: skin tags along my collarbone and notice moles popping up, 523 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: new moles because as a like, I've had moles as 524 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: a kid, but I also know so like my skin 525 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: kiloids and that's a whole nother conversation. But I noticed 526 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: I had more moles popping up in other like just 527 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: on my arms, along my hairline, and I. 528 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 3: Was like, I don't know about this, like I know 529 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 3: that skin tags running the family. 530 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: But so I went to the dermatologists because I was like, 531 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna wait. I need to know, like this 532 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: is something that I need to just like if it's 533 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: something that I need to learn to accept and love 534 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: about myself or is this something that we need. 535 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 2: To get treated seriously, dom thank you for your honesty. 536 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 2: What did your dermatologist say? 537 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: Dermatologist said, boo, you fine. I mean he didn't use 538 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: those words, but essentially that's what he said. My takeaway, 539 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: my takeaway from what he told me was were you good? 540 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 3: Learn to love yourself? 541 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: And so but I needed that reassurance that I noticed 542 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: the changes, and so I was like, let me, let 543 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: me just get clarification to make sure that these changes 544 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: are normal, that this is okay. 545 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 3: And so now I'm just like, oh, hey, they're new 546 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 3: mole on my wrist. I didn't see you there before. 547 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: And you know, he and I will say my shout 548 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: out to my gunratologists because he did pull out this 549 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: chart and gave me a full lesson. 550 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 3: I don't remember all the terms. I'm horrible at remembering. 551 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: This stuff, but he did pull out a chart and 552 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: gave me a full lesson on what the modes look 553 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:02,479 Speaker 1: like that are non cancer us and what I should 554 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: look for if then if something could potentially be cancers. 555 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 3: So I'm like, okay, I can. 556 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: Walk away from this knowing we'll just learn to love 557 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: them moles that are popping up, learn to love them skins. 558 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 3: Ey. 559 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 2: Yes, girls. It's definitely a process, especially when it's new. 560 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 2: It's like if I were you know, if you there 561 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 2: are certain things that I was just born with and 562 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, cool, like I've accepted this part of myself. 563 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 2: But when it's new and it pops up and you're like, 564 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 2: this is not part of my identity? Where is this 565 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 2: coming from you know, it is a process and it 566 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 2: can be for folks, and I appreciate us having this conversation. 567 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 2: I appreciate your transparency and honestly, don because I think sometimes, 568 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 2: you know, some people may struggle with this stuff in silence, 569 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 2: and I think it's important to know, like, it's okay, 570 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 2: but it's a it's an adjustment for you to cope 571 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 2: with what's happening to your body as you age, because 572 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 2: we have these crazy standards in society for us, and 573 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 2: I mean, you look on social media. I'm still I 574 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 2: still have adult acting and then with being pregnant, I 575 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 2: still have freaking and all this stuff, and I'm just 576 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 2: you go on social media and I'm like, how the 577 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 2: fuck do these people have clear skin? Like you know, 578 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 2: when I was like fifteen, my skin was like baby 579 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 2: baby but smooth. Do they still have this clear skin 580 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 2: at this age? What's happening? And so I think it's 581 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 2: important for us to normalize this. I will say, I noticed, 582 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 2: y'all go to Beyonce page. Beyonce has some moles on 583 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 2: her neck in her chest. I think, you know, she 584 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 2: has some of that stuff, that stuff in her genius 585 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 2: that we have and so seeing her post that and 586 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 2: I edit her moles out, that was really encouraging for 587 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 2: me to see, like, oh damn, someone who looks like us, 588 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 2: who's there, who is showcasing you know, these beauty marks 589 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 2: from you know, her lineage and our lineage. So I 590 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 2: think that is really an important conversation that we need 591 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 2: to definitely keep on having. I will say when we 592 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 2: talked a little bit about this sort of black do 593 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 2: on crack as a guise of black empowerment, and one 594 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 2: thing I do in the State that we didn't state 595 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 2: before is that I think sometimes because our community has 596 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 2: been through so much, and because sometimes it's hard for 597 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 2: us to grasp on to something like that we own 598 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 2: and that we can take pride in because of how 599 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 2: we're constantly portrayed in media and how there are so 600 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 2: many injustices, sometimes something as simple as black done crack 601 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 2: makes us feel like we have something, you know what 602 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 2: I mean. And so I think that I don't know 603 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 2: if I'll continue to use it. Maybe I will. I 604 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 2: kind of do still like it, but I think that 605 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 2: my relationship with the idea of black done crack is evolving, 606 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 2: you know, because of the conversation that we're having. And 607 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 2: there are two questions that I just want to pose 608 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 2: for us as we transition to the conversation. 609 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 3: What is old? 610 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: Right? 611 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 2: Like? 612 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 3: What is old? 613 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 2: Because, like I said before, many of us thought thirty 614 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 2: was old when we were younger, and then when we 615 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,479 Speaker 2: got into our when we were like twenty five, we 616 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 2: were like fish, stop, thirty now old. I'm about to 617 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 2: be twenty. I'm about to be thirty or five years right? 618 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 2: And then why is aging gracefully so important and such 619 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 2: a high value? There are some superficial things about me, 620 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 2: like I do value of aging gracefully, you know what 621 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 2: I mean? And I want to love myself and through 622 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 2: this process of aging in a way that can empower 623 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 2: other people. But I guess we have to ask ourselves too, 624 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 2: like why is it important? 625 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: Right? 626 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 2: And are we going to let society when with the 627 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 2: messages that they share with us, you know? So these 628 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 2: are all just questions that I think we should ask 629 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 2: ourselves as we export this conversation. 630 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think those are important questions to ask ourselves 631 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: because I think the thing that we want to keep 632 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: in mind is something that you say often is what 633 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:30,720 Speaker 1: is your why? 634 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 3: Right? Like what is your purpose? 635 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: And so what is your why for wanting to age gracefully? 636 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 3: You know, what is the reason that you. 637 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: Are set on this particular age means I'm old? And 638 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: you know, for me, I think about, like I admitted 639 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: earlier that, like you know, at one point I thought 640 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,760 Speaker 1: fifty and sixty was old and I had a perception 641 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,359 Speaker 1: of what that looked like, right, And for me, I'm 642 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: not ready to fully let go of Black Don't Crap, 643 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: But like you said, I'm ready to change my relationship 644 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: with black Don't Crap. I want to focus on being 645 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:23,280 Speaker 1: healthy overall, and however that shows up is how it's. 646 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,240 Speaker 3: Going to manifest in my body. 647 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: Right and what I can see when I look at 648 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 1: older adults in my family if I think about what 649 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: are their habits, what are their healthy habits, what are 650 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: their unhealthy habits, and how those habits are impacting how 651 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: they're aging. And so I make it a priority to 652 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:56,320 Speaker 1: think about how I can be as healthy as possible. Now. 653 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: You know, lady, if you checked out our Instagram story 654 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: when we did a day in the Life of doctor dom, 655 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: you know that some days I am rocking a salad 656 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: and some days I'm like, where are that pizza? 657 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 3: At? 658 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: Like give me that pizza and I might have like 659 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: three or four slices, like you know, So it's not 660 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: one hundred percent, but I am conscious about like what 661 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: I am putting into my body, like from a food sense, 662 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,240 Speaker 1: from what I take in in engaging with other people, 663 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: what I take in on social media, like, I'm conscious 664 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 1: of that because I want to be healthy. I want 665 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:54,320 Speaker 1: to try and prevent some of the diseases that continue 666 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 1: to plague our community if there's anything that I can control, 667 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 1: because I also recoon as there are things outside of 668 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: my control, but if there are things that I can 669 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: control in how I age, then I want to have 670 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,800 Speaker 1: some control over that and make healthy choices. 671 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 2: Dom I agree with what you said wholeheartedly, and I 672 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 2: think that I would say the same for myself. My 673 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 2: goal is just to love myself at every stage of 674 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 2: this evolution journey, and I want to look my best 675 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,240 Speaker 2: and feel my best throughout, like you said, being healthy 676 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 2: and all that. There's a question I want to ask you, 677 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 2: but I think it might be more appropriate for the 678 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 2: after show, So Lady visit our website Herspace podcast dot com, 679 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 2: click on Patreon up in the tabs at the top, 680 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 2: and you can get access to our after show. Okay, 681 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 2: because the show is done now, but we're going to 682 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 2: go process what we just had a conversation about. 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