1 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: You are listening to What in the Winkler and iHeartRadio podcast. Hi, 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: welcome back to another episode of What in the Winkler. 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: I am dead, dying, deceased. I don't even know what 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: to do today. My guest is from one of my 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: favorite shows, The Housewives. Derinda Medley is an American television personality, socialite, 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: and entrepreneur, best known for her role on Bravos The 7 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: Real Housewives of New York City. She joined in twenty 8 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: fifteen and she was on till twenty twenty. I'm obsessed 9 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: with her. I actually met her at Andy Cohen's baby 10 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: shower and smoked a cigarette with her and Teresa, and 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: I'm so excited to see if she remembers. Let's let 12 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: her in. 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: Hello, I'm not okay, Oh sorry that I'm on my bed. 14 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: I'm having my of course this week. I'm having my 15 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: whole apartment painted. 16 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: Please, I only want to be in my bed every well. 17 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: I don't know where are your California. 18 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: I'm in La. 19 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 2: It is? How is? How's everything going? 20 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: It's been insane. It's been so insane, But I. 21 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 2: Want to get your head around. 22 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: It's impossible, it is, truly. I've never I've lived here 23 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: forty four years. I mean, I'm forty four years old. 24 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: I'm born and raised her I've never seen anything like this, 25 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: so it's crazy. But I heard that New York is freezing. 26 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 2: It is beyond cold. It is. It is offensively cold, 27 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: like you can't get warm. It's so demotivating that you literally, truly, 28 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 2: truly want to hibernate. 29 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: Like I've never lived really anywhere else, But I don't 30 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: think I could leave my house even if it's windy here, 31 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, no thanks, I'll take a rain chuck. 32 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: And the worst part is this time of the year, 33 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,559 Speaker 2: it's dark at four thirty. 34 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, but when. 35 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: Someone says to you, do you want to have dinner 36 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: at seven, You're like, I want to go to bed. 37 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: Well, I only have dinner between the hours of five 38 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: and six thirty, so I refuse to go out past 39 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 1: that time. 40 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: Then when I'm on my own, I do the same thing. 41 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: It's the best. I'm so excited to be here. 42 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for doing this. 43 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 2: I love it. 44 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: You know, we met one time before at Andy Cohen's 45 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: baby shower in La at the Palm. 46 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: Ah Well, that was all a big blur. 47 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: I just texted him actually and said, yess who my 48 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: guest is. 49 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: I was just down watch for Habits Live with him, 50 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 2: and as you know, I got murdered first off. But 51 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 2: you know, it's all turned out very well because I 52 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 2: got a lot of press out of it. Yeah. 53 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: And also like there's a reason that you were, you know, 54 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: taken off first, because you could have won the shit 55 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: out of that game. 56 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: Wow, I felt, you know. So it's so funny. I 57 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: was just on to tease and I was saying, and 58 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 2: Tarim of course was on Traders too, and she got 59 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 2: eliminated early on. It's not just that you're sad and 60 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: you're disappointed, you're embarrassed. 61 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: Right. 62 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: It's like it's like training for the Olympics. 63 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: Right right, and then you get there, I feel. 64 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 2: Like, Nope, you're not run and go home. You brought 65 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 2: the gear, you you got, the mentality, you've done, the 66 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 2: training you've got. I mean, I I my outfits were 67 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: so well planned and on point. I mean I took it. 68 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: I would for the Vivian West with the Alayah, the 69 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: Libertine and. 70 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: They should have like a full they should have a redo, 71 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: they should do a redo. 72 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: Just for my clothes. Yeah, just for your outfits. 73 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: Do you miss being on like those kinds of shows. 74 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: Do you miss being on Housewives or your You're good? 75 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 2: No, I think you always miss it. It's one you know, 76 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: this wasn't This was a competition show show, so so 77 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: totally different. 78 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: But also you know with with some of like with 79 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: a mixed survivor Housewives, I mean Bachelor, and. 80 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 2: You know, I don't really watch any competition shows, right, 81 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: so I really didn't know anything. In fact, when I 82 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 2: was on watch app was live the other night, I 83 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: kept calling them the survivors and it's actually the survivor. 84 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: I didn't know that. I've never so it was so 85 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: interesting to meet these other gamers. It's a total totally 86 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: different thing because. 87 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: You're just living your life and they are trying to. 88 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: Kids are very buddy buddy. You know, we're all like afia. 89 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: You know, you know you we can be mean to 90 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: each other, but don't you dare be mean to you 91 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 2: know us, you. 92 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: Know siblings kind of yeah, you know, once you're. 93 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: A housewife, you know we can cite each other from 94 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: across the room. When you immediately have a camaraderie. It 95 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 2: is true, Like I feel like that too. 96 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: I can cite I can. I can cite you from 97 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: across the room. And I feel like I told Andy 98 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: that when I was at his baby shirt was like 99 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: my super Bowl. I was beside myself. I couldn't. I couldn't. 100 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,559 Speaker 2: I couldn't. One of the best events ever ever. 101 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: It was the most fun that could. 102 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: Have been, a show that could have been filmed. 103 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: Could have been And it was at the time where 104 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: it was all like the O G Housewives, even Dallas 105 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: was there, you know. I mean, it was such a 106 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: time and I feel like my parents used to say 107 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: to me, if you could just spend as much time 108 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: as you do on these particular things on schoolwork, you 109 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: would be great. And I feel like that's why I 110 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: am on Housewives. I know, I watch every single every 111 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: single boy. 112 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting too. Even as a housewife, it 113 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 2: was interesting. It was like the Bravo kind of crowds. 114 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 2: But this was so concentrated in one room right now 115 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 2: that at some point when I was looking around the 116 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: table and there's least round, there's record, there's this one, 117 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: there's there's Jersey, there's you know, everybody's there. 118 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: Everybody. 119 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it almost were like her two characters at that point. 120 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: I blacked out. I was not okay, like I went up. 121 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: I felt like a little kid when you go to 122 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: Disneyland and you have your autograph book, and I wanted 123 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: to go up and and I just felt, I don't 124 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: know it. I have such a deep relationship in love 125 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: with the Housewives, all of them that I'm such a fan, 126 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,119 Speaker 1: and I live in LA and my dad is an actor, 127 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: and I literally don't care about anybody but Housewives. 128 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 2: What I always think about falling is I referred to 129 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 2: if I grew up, you know, with funds. Yeah, of 130 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 2: course I'm not. Boy. We all wanted to date, you 131 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 2: know what I mean. 132 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: And he's honestly like so not about it. It's like 133 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: you meet him and you're just like, who is this person? 134 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: Would you say I think he does those commercials so 135 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 2: well because I would buy the product because he's your dad, 136 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 2: He's everybody's dad. 137 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: He is, he's the best, he really is. He's just an. 138 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 2: Incredible Will you please tell him that? Yes? 139 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I will. I feel like this is amazing. 140 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm so grateful you have to come to 141 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: LA and come to dinner. 142 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 2: Oh if I got to meet the funds that would 143 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 2: be it. 144 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you have to come, you have to come. 145 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 2: But listen, I think when it comes to the housewise 146 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 2: you were asking before, do I miss it? I think 147 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 2: you always miss it. It's in your blood. I really 148 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 2: always have a hard time personally with women that like say, 149 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 2: I've decided to on my own for a wishart. I'm 150 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: just I'm like, no, you did, because none of us leave. 151 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 2: It is like, you know, joining a cult. You just 152 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: don't get right, weird in. 153 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: A possible It's it's such an amazing and I feel 154 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: like you guys, I'm always so impressed that you guys 155 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: will have like an argument, There'll be some crazy argument, 156 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: somebody will say something so awful, and then you guys 157 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: can just like put it aside and enjoy each other. 158 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of that has to do, 159 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 2: especially with the cast that I was on, or even 160 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: look at now Salt Lake City, is because when you 161 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: truly do know each other, yeah, and you have you 162 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: got to remember, I really we kind of all knew 163 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: each other from New York. I mean we had kids together, 164 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: We've been each other's funerals, divorces, baptisms, the whole thing. 165 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: So you're able to go and also to you understand 166 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 2: the job okay, and you know you can go there 167 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 2: because you know your friendship so deep that you and 168 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: you have time to afterwards talk it out. 169 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: Right, which is such an amazing and it. 170 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 2: Goes too far and it doesn't you know, you can't 171 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: talk it out and that's when it gets tricky. But 172 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: that's I think a key thing for our that was 173 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: great about our cast and see it with Salt Lake City, like, 174 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: to me, that's very old school housewives. 175 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, Salt Lake City could win like every Emmy ever. 176 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: I mean this season was I was screaming that. 177 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 2: I literally didn't think that it could. Bet they could 178 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 2: talk last season, I am they really have? 179 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: They really the new additions. 180 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: I love the new girls they joined. I love bron 181 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: Wynn Brodwin, and I like Britney. I like Brittany like 182 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: a Disney character. 183 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: She's so wild and now like with her instagrams of 184 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: her dancing and singing, I'm dead. 185 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: I didn't perfect housewife. She takes her eyes off her right. 186 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: Have you watched the new season of New York? 187 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: I have, and I watched the finale last night. 188 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: Are you dead? 189 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 2: I haven't watched it. 190 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: I haven't recorded, I haven't watched it yet. I have 191 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: a hard time with the New. With the New, they 192 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: just they don't seem to like each other at all. 193 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,599 Speaker 1: And it feels so like, it feels so like I 194 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: have anxiety when I watch it instead of like know 195 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: is I was just. 196 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 2: Talking about that too with on Tamra and Teddy's podcast. 197 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: It's just so different and I and you know, I, I, 198 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: you know, I'm rooting for them because I think that 199 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 2: they took on a really hard task. It's totally now 200 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 2: remember the co there coming off of the cast that 201 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 2: people feel truly nostalgic about, right, And nostalgia is a 202 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 2: very strong empowering sentiment. Right. You don't even have to 203 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: like the person, but if you're feeling nostalgic about them, right. 204 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: It makes you feel like cozy almost, Yes. 205 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 2: And the good thing about nostalgia is you only remember 206 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 2: the good and never the bad. So now you know, 207 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 2: we've become like these fixtures, you know, and these girls 208 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 2: had a hard uh path to follow and there it's 209 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: just a different thing. Visually, it's different. Their age group 210 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 2: is different. But as I said when I was on 211 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 2: Alex Baskins, they are the New New York. You know, 212 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: you know, so it's it's just very different. 213 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: Alex Baskin is a good friend of mine. We went 214 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: to high school together. 215 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 2: You know. I love him. 216 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: I love him so much. But he gets so annoyed 217 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 1: with me because we have dinner and I will just 218 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: grill him and he will be like, I cannot listen 219 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: to you for one more second. You have to shut up. 220 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 2: And I am so for him because he loved good Grilly. 221 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: He loves it. 222 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: But he's like, can we talk about something else? I'm like, 223 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: absolutely not. 224 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 2: I don't know what it is because I've got I've 225 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:30,599 Speaker 2: got a little bit of a white Witch vibe. I 226 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 2: think I want to work with him one day. I 227 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 2: don't know what it's going to be. I don't know 228 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 2: how it's going to be. But every time I see him, 229 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 2: I have this connective feeling that. 230 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: Was He's an amazing, amazing, amazing person. He is so 231 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: good at what he does, amazing, amazing interviewer and also 232 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: just like sees through it, so he just sees exactly 233 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: what is in front of him and can just handle anything. 234 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: He's an amazing person. He For those of you guys 235 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 1: who don't know he's an executive producer of lots of 236 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: shows on Bravo, but also The O C and Beverly 237 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: Hills and vander Pump, The Valley. 238 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 2: The Valley Yeah, and then it has an incredible podcast 239 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: called Hot Mike Yeah, which is Yeah, it's good. I 240 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 2: was very I literally flew over to just be on that. 241 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 2: I was so excited that he asked me. 242 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: He's the best. He actually took me to lunch to 243 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: ask me to co host a podcast with Crystal, but 244 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: I was doing it with my mom, and so my 245 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: mom and I started this podcast together. And then my 246 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 1: mom actually got six so she hasn't been able to 247 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: be on, so it's just me. She's definitely she's on 248 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: the men, so she'll be back and she's going to 249 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: be so upset that I got to do this one 250 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: by myself because she's a big fan too. 251 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 2: She is, she's a big fan. FO. They've been married. Now, 252 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: they've been. 253 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: Married, well, I'm forty four. They've been married for forty 254 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: seven years. 255 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 2: Isn't that amazing in Hollywood? Yeah? Amazing. 256 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: It's very rare. And I think that my brothers and 257 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: I I think we don't even realize because my older 258 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: brother has a different dad. So my mom was married before. 259 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,719 Speaker 1: They were married for three years and then they got 260 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: divorced and they both got remarried to their to their 261 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: person and they're our families are best best friends and 262 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 1: which is like, you know, it's such a great way 263 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: to do it. So I feel really lucky. And my 264 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 1: parents they were never you know, it was never like 265 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: the perfect marriage. They fought, they they they would get 266 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: annoyed with each other, but they Yeah, they're just like 267 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: human beings, you know, and they work through it. 268 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: And the people that make their marriages or anything out 269 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 2: to be too perfect, that's yeah. 270 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: People who say they never fight, that's lie. Yeah, they're lying. 271 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 2: You can't. You have to be honest the bood. That 272 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 2: really pisses me off when people just talk about how 273 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 2: much sex they're having. I'm like, you know, having any sex? Okay? 274 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if you're going to say it, then you 275 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: don't want to I I then then then that's a lot. Yeah, people, 276 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: but that's like life, right. People always say, if you 277 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: really feel good about yourself, if you really are happy 278 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: where you are, you don't have to talk about it 279 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: every second, you know. Now. 280 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 2: The best thing I think about growing older is one 281 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: of the best gifts that I said. If someone said, 282 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 2: what is the best one of the best gifts you 283 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: know about growing older? I said, you just have this 284 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: incredible sense of freedom. And I don't think as a 285 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 2: woman people, as a woman, that is such a gift. Freedom. 286 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: Freedom to do what you want, freedom to you know, 287 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 2: you know, do what you want to, say what you want, 288 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 2: go where you want, take on product that you want 289 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 2: to do, you know, and thank by the grace of God, 290 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 2: I have a little bit of financial freedom too. So 291 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 2: I wake up in the morning I think I am blessed. Yeah, 292 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 2: you know, I kind of tick the things that you know, 293 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 2: my two husbands, you know, unfortunately one you passed away 294 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 2: on me, and Hannah's doing great, so I can check, 295 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 2: you know, I've been I feel like I've been a 296 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 2: good daughter to my parents, which is a very important 297 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,599 Speaker 2: to me, you know that I was. And I'm just 298 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 2: at a point where, yeah, I can do whatever I. 299 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: Want, right, which is such a yeah. And so many 300 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: people don't have that that's right, and they never they 301 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: never allow themselves that also, you know, and you've done 302 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: so many things, I mean, you have like fashion lines, 303 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: you have You've written a memoir. I mean, you've done 304 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: it all. Is there something left that you're like? 305 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 2: This is? 306 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: This is my next thing besides work with Alix. 307 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: I want to get a cookbook out. And if I 308 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 2: had my ultimate dream, if I had my ultimate dream, 309 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 2: and I'm you know, I believe in manifesting or at 310 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 2: least putting the energy out there. And I have my 311 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 2: radio show, which I love on Tuesdays, but I would 312 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 2: love to do some sort of form of a talk show. 313 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd be so good at that to me would be. 314 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 2: The ultimate because I love talking. I like two people. 315 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: I don't even care if I know them. Hannah said 316 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 2: that I wake up talking. She said, your mouth is moving. 317 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 2: She calls me missus Kravitz. She said, my mother would 318 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: saying these words. Hey, don't say anything. 319 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: But and does she still live in New York or no? 320 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: No, she's at Harvard getting your PhD. 321 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, so you definitely you could definitely check 322 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: that box. 323 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 2: She's just in her which basically means I'm back at school. 324 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 2: I'm getting my PhD. Right. Someone the other day it's 325 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 2: amazingly how God works or life or biology or whatever 326 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: it is. But you know, when they're little you never 327 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 2: can imagine them leaving home. How could they ever leave? 328 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 2: My life will be over? 329 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. 330 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 2: That's of course, they're little in your mother and there's all. 331 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: I have three, so I feel that way. 332 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: Yes, Well, then I think something happens with the hormones 333 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 2: and the brain changes a little bit. You know, it's 334 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 2: the grace of God or the grace of biology that 335 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 2: you know you're okay. You're not happy when they leave, 336 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: but you're you're okay. It's time, right. 337 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: I feel like I can only imagine, like when my 338 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: kids go to college, I'll just go live there. But 339 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: then I think to myself, like I'll be ready for 340 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: them to go at that point. But it's just crazy. 341 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: You reise these little people and then your goal is 342 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: for them to go off and be healthy and live 343 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: their lives, and I just I can't. 344 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 2: But you know what, the person that leaves at eighteen 345 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 2: needs to leave because you're still in love with the 346 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 2: little one that you know. I'm you know, you still 347 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 2: want to do things like do you want French schous 348 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 2: this morning? They're like my bad out. 349 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: Actually, my oldest just turned thirteen, so we're getting into that. 350 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: We're getting into that little, you know, and it's why and. 351 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 2: That's good the heartbreak because you can dislike them a 352 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: little bit. 353 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, And sometimes I'm like, you're being so annoying 354 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: and then I'm like, oh wait, he's thirteen. You know, 355 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: it's a difference. 356 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 2: I think it's to the point now where she's thirty 357 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 2: one and she comes home and I'm actually like, you 358 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: need to go back to Harvard. 359 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it starts off so well and then you're like, Okay, 360 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: I have a life, right and I need to get 361 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: back to living it. 362 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 2: So it's funny like how everything is meant to be 363 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 2: the way it's right? Right? Right? 364 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: Do you feel like when people talk to you about 365 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: how So I was like, I know my dad used 366 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: to feel like when people would bring up Fonsi, he'd 367 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: be like, but I've done so many other things since. 368 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: Or does it bother you? Or do you love it? 369 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: Or do you honor it? 370 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 2: You know? Bravo that show and Bravo will always hold 371 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 2: a very super special place in my heart because remember 372 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 2: it was like a year and a half or maybe 373 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,719 Speaker 2: a little more after my husband passed, so I was lost. 374 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 2: I was like, you know, because remember I had great 375 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 2: plans and we Hannah was going to go to college. 376 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 2: We were going to live in the Berkshire's and mainly 377 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 2: he was going to write, and we'd have a little 378 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 2: place in New York and maybe a little place in Washington, 379 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 2: because he was a political writer as well. Like I 380 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 2: had it figured out, and one year poof, Hannah went 381 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 2: to college and my husband died. All these great identities 382 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 2: that I loved. I loved being a mother and a 383 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 2: wife like I that worked for me. I had no 384 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 2: stream in it, right, I was never born. You don't 385 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 2: always had side jobs at the real estate, but that 386 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: was sort of my thing being right. So when all 387 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: that left, I was really like a toothpick in the ocean, 388 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 2: and where I didn't want to be a toothpick in 389 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: the ocean. 390 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: Right, And how incredible that like you loved that, you 391 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: loved that part, you loved being mom, you loved being 392 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: and then you had this tragedy happen, I mean literally 393 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: and you then you went on to Now you're like 394 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: just thinking about what you could do next. 395 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 2: What what's great is I could go in to this 396 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 2: thing which they had asked me before, but it just 397 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 2: will timing. Everything in life is timing. And you know, 398 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 2: I didn't want Hannah on at a young age because 399 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 2: I just know that would be my it was my decision. 400 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 2: I didn't want it to you know, affect her future 401 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 2: a lot. Yeah, and uh but I got by the 402 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 2: time I went on, you know, she was eighteen or so, 403 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 2: you know, and I didn't have a husband, so I 404 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 2: didn't have to worry. I could just I wasn't Missus Medley, 405 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 2: I wasn't Hannah's mom. I was I could just be 406 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 2: me right, just to Rinda. 407 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: Right, it didn't matter, and you could experiment with like 408 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: finally you had this freedom. 409 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 2: Huge freedom. Yeah, and it was very therapeutic for me. 410 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 2: And you know, I got some of it right and 411 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 2: I got some of it wrong, but it was okay. 412 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's life. You got some of it right, 413 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: you get some of it wrong. And then I mean 414 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: they tell you, like, because I'm in such a different stage, 415 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: they tell you in parenting, the most important thing is 416 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: to repair, like when you make a mistake, when you 417 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: you know, and so I always am going back, like 418 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 1: you know, I mean a mistake, but as long as 419 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: you can own whatever it is, and then as long 420 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: as you also grow and grow. 421 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 2: And it was so nice to like have you know, 422 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 2: I think that was for a nice for me. I 423 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 2: just could be my authentic self and I wasn't so 424 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 2: concerned if everybody liked me, because you know, there is 425 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 2: a thing when you're married and you're raising children. It's 426 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 2: not a facade, but you're you're always making sure you're counting, 427 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 2: and you're making sure that everything is good and straight 428 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,239 Speaker 2: and correct and doing the right path. And don't totally right. 429 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 2: You goof up for one day, you torture yourself for 430 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 2: a week, right. 431 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, like the biggest mistake, Oh my god. 432 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 2: Basically I live peezer anyway. Come from an ethnic family, 433 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 2: you know, my family's Polish and Italian, so you yeah, 434 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 2: so it was nice to just be able to grow 435 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 2: in that part. And you know, it was really nice. 436 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: Tell you what, was really a beautiful thing for me 437 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 2: because I hadn't done it for I never really worked 438 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 2: very long in the corporate work world. I worked in 439 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 2: fashion for about two years in the Macy's program and 440 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 2: then in the showrooms Liz Claiborne, and then I got 441 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,719 Speaker 2: married and that was I went where my husbands went, 442 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 2: you know, where my first husband lived all over the world, 443 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 2: so I would go where he worked. He was an 444 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 2: investment banker. So it was really nice too to just 445 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 2: make money again. Like the first time I saw the 446 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 2: check from NBC, I was like, what would you look 447 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 2: at that? 448 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: You know, I actually just got my free paycheck from 449 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: doing this podcast. And I sent my husband a picture 450 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: and I put it on our corkboard because I haven't 451 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: had a check, I haven't made I mean, I was 452 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: a teacher for years and years. Now I have a 453 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: nonprofit and now I'm doing this, but I make no 454 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: money in my nonprofit and as a teacher, I didn't 455 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: really make any money and now I find but I 456 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: at least I was contributing financially. Not that I feel 457 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: like I have to, but it just feels so good. Good, Yeah, 458 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: it feels so good. 459 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. And I was like, this is so good. And 460 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 2: then when you know, it just it was a really 461 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: great confidence builder. It was a really great way to 462 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 2: get work through my grieving period because I had a 463 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 2: platform to talk about it. And not only that, how 464 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 2: many people, well what amaze me without knowing it because 465 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 2: I hadn't been a houseway for how people really you know, 466 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 2: gravitated towards it and wanted to talk about it. 467 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: Because because nobody knows what to say when you're grieving, 468 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: no something to be a widow. 469 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 2: I remember this woman wants at Elios. I was at 470 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 2: Elos after Richard died. I was sitting at the having 471 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 2: like a dinner at the bar because I was by myself, right, 472 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 2: and a woman came to set next week, She's probably 473 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 2: in her eighties, and I started talking to her. I said. 474 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 2: She said, oh, I lost my husband two years ago, 475 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 2: so I'm a widow. I said, oh my god, I 476 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 2: lost my husband too. You know. It was like like 477 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 2: a happy and oh, like you're like me and I 478 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 2: you know, this was thirteen fourteen years ago, and I said, 479 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 2: so I'm a widow too. She said, oh, no, you're 480 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 2: not a widow. You're far too young to be a widow. 481 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 2: That's just a tragedy, you know, she said, I have 482 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 2: My husband was ninety when he died. So that's the 483 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 2: process of life. So I think it's not only hard 484 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 2: to talk about grief, but I think it's a very 485 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 2: like there should be a different word for a young widow. 486 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: That's true, that's a true aging word. 487 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. Visualize a widow you see an older 488 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 2: woman or an older man. 489 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: Right, you were young and you had a child, and 490 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 1: there were. 491 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 2: A lot of people out there that lost their partners 492 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 2: at a pivotal time in their life. It wasn't time. 493 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: I just had a great idea, since I know you've 494 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: written your memoir, but you should write a book on that. 495 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 2: Yes, well, I should write it Carol's book What Remains 496 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 2: right right, right? 497 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: But it's just because I know, I lost my best 498 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: friend recently and she was forty four years old, and 499 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: there's like, you don't there's there's nothing to say. 500 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 2: It's like you know, and and it's not like you 501 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 2: can just say it's a wrinkle in time. 502 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: Right, right, And it feels in that moment like it's 503 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: never going to get better. And then but you have 504 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: all this time ahead. 505 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 2: Of you, because hopefully not so much ahead of you, right, 506 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 2: I planned with them, right. Funny, right now, I have 507 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 2: elder parents, and I talk a lot amongst my friends 508 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 2: because we have, you know this helping them through this period. 509 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 2: And yeah, that's ninety and my mom's older, and of 510 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 2: course at some point they're not going to be part 511 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 2: of my life. But having gone through what I went 512 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 2: through with Richard and really understanding for me anyway that 513 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 2: it really is just the body that leaves. 514 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: Like you still they're always with you. 515 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, truly truly keep a connection if you're open to it. 516 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 2: And I had that conversation with my parents, who are 517 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 2: stouch Catholic, so you really don't talk about anything, you know, 518 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 2: right right right, like I'm okay, they'rer and it was 519 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 2: it was nice to uh, because I've gone through it. 520 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 2: I actually had a real comfort in speaking to them 521 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 2: about it openly, which I actually think has helped me 522 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 2: kind of quell the panic of them leaving me physically. 523 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm in that panic right now, and 524 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 1: I was during this period. And then even with my friend, 525 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: I was given this book called Signs Yes and how 526 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: it's amazing and how there's all these moments where they're 527 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: right there with you. 528 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 2: But isn't it wild when you read that book how 529 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 2: true it is and if you actually ask, you know, 530 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: for a sign or act in a certain call, you 531 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 2: really do see it, Like it's weird. 532 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with psychics, so I did. I meet with 533 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: lots and I really enjoy it and mediums and all 534 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. It's like a huge part of 535 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: my life. I love it so much. 536 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 2: I love that too. I always think it'd be a 537 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 2: good it'd be a good time in my life to 538 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 2: try to can I I do see someone like that 539 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 2: with Richard, because I think he would come to me. 540 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: Now for a while I didn't want him. 541 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: I have such a great person for you. She's in Australia. 542 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: I'll give it to you after. She's incredible, beyond beyond, 543 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: beyond beyond. Yeah, if you're interested, I don't mind going. 544 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 2: I'm proud of my badge. I feel it's a badge 545 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 2: of honor being And I think, what's a housewife? Always 546 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 2: a housewife? Like I'm very proud of people are like 547 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: by the real housewife. I'm like, that's right, because there's I. 548 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: Feel that way too. I mean that's how I would feel. 549 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: But I know that sometimes when you've done something that's 550 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: so hugely successful and then you go on to do 551 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: other things that are also hugely successful and incredible, sometimes 552 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: you know it's like. 553 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 2: Difference between your dad and someone like me. Like your 554 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 2: dad was just a great actor period, Okay, he just is. 555 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 2: He's a great character actor. He's just a great walk. 556 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 2: I wouldn't have gotten all the other things if it 557 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 2: weren't for it, Like it's the chicken in the egg 558 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 2: what came? So I only really got my radio show 559 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 2: because I was a Bravo Or do Appeyers because I 560 00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 2: was a Bravo? Or whatte my book because I was 561 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 2: a brav You know what I mean. So I'm a 562 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 2: real believer that you have to, you know, really be 563 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 2: appreciative of how it began, how life. 564 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Are you still close with some of the 565 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: people from your cast? 566 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 2: Oh yes, I mean we've I've known these women for 567 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 2: right your years, you know, a little bit more dispersed, 568 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 2: you know. Ramona's not in the city so much. She's 569 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 2: more in Palm Beach. 570 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: She's wild and is here. 571 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 2: And there, but she's on Torala. But we always stay 572 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 2: in touch. 573 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: Right right and any Are you close with any of 574 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: the women from other cities? 575 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yes, I'm like a housewife whisper. That's 576 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 2: so good. Like I have friends with all of them. Yes, 577 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 2: I love I love a good housewife. 578 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: Max. 579 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 2: It's it's like I say that, they're like we're like 580 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 2: a zoo, you know, great zoo in each cage has 581 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 2: a different set of Animal and yeah Ultimate Zoo Keeper. Yeah. 582 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 2: I think it's like for the Circus. 583 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: When you get a really good season and you get 584 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 1: women that really, you believe what you were saying, care 585 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: about each other even with the stuff, because everybody has stuff. 586 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: Everyone has things everyone and also it's you. You're different 587 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: personalities and you're coming together. That's when it's like magic. 588 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: Like there are some that are hard to watch because. 589 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 2: It's just like like baking a great cakes a little 590 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 2: bit more than others. You know, the flower may be 591 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 2: a little bit heavier than the two eggs, but you 592 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,479 Speaker 2: need them, you need the Everyone brings a little ingredient 593 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 2: to the cake, right, Yeah, I guess that slap on 594 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 2: the frosting. 595 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's I mean, there should be some crossover, 596 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: you know. 597 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 2: Well that's why those Ultimate Girls trips were fun. 598 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: I saw the one at. 599 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 2: The Manor. 600 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: Yeah it was I mean was. 601 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 2: I think that was an epic cast And you know 602 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 2: what's very interesting about that one. After that, Tama went 603 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 2: back to work. Phaedra went back to work. 604 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 1: Is the best a queen she is? She she is incredible. 605 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 2: Well, when you see your back on TV, you think yourself, 606 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 2: how could she have never not been on TV. I 607 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 2: know she is. 608 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: She's laugh out loud, funny and also just like shady 609 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: and the perfect way. 610 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 2: I love her so much all the way show her 611 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 2: and Eva are. They're stunning on TV, but in real life. 612 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,199 Speaker 1: I know, like I know Eva. I remember seeing her 613 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: on America's Next Top Model. I mean I used to 614 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: watch that show. Yeah, yes, yeah, no, that was such 615 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: a good. 616 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 2: Like I said, I know this is gonna sound weird, 617 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 2: but is it a burden to be this beautiful? Like 618 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 2: you do? Want to stare? You know, it's kind of 619 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 2: like looking at a doll, you. 620 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: Know, totally. Yeah, it's crazy. I mean it's but it's 621 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: it's it's it's amazing when you guys all get together. 622 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: That's why they should do a Traders of like all Stars, 623 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: they should do an all Star Traders. Well you never Traders. 624 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: A Trader's a Trader's Girls trip. 625 00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 2: I think a crossover is a success even before starts. 626 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 2: People just like to see because people don't really believe, 627 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 2: you know, what we are. Like I said before, we're 628 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 2: kind of like Disney characters. People don't believe that we 629 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 2: all really know each other. So like I'm gonna tell 630 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 2: you something. You walk down the street and if you're 631 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 2: with one or more housewives, either from your own franchise 632 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 2: or another, people get overwhelmed. 633 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 3: They're like, yeah, I'm sure it's freezy, like they'd love 634 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 3: to see you on your own, but if they see 635 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,719 Speaker 3: three of you together, it's truly like seeing a white leopard. 636 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 3: That's about I had the experience just in a restaurant 637 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 3: in Beverly. I was overcome, and I was. 638 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 2: Always wild that these women are exactly the way you 639 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 2: think they're gonna. 640 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: Be, exactly exactly. And I remember like one of them 641 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: was like, really not that nice to me. I went 642 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: over and I was like hi, you know, and she 643 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: just turned around, and I was like, that is exactly 644 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: how I would have like how I would have imagined. 645 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 2: Now. 646 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: They were all so nice, Like everybody was really so nice. 647 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: And I loved Dallas and I'm sad that that's. 648 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 2: Not on anymore. I really like understand why they took 649 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 2: I just know it's so weird. I just saw one 650 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 2: of the Dallas girls the other day, and I've got 651 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 2: to tell you, I thought it was a great show. 652 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: I loved it. I loved Dallas there. I I you know, 653 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: New Jersey's hard for me, just because they're so mean 654 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: to each other. There's like people on it that I love, 655 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: Like I love Margaret. 656 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 2: And she's one of those women, the other strong characters. Yeah, 657 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 2: you know, you don't even have to like a housewife 658 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 2: to want them on the house waves, they know, you know, 659 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 2: like Teresa is just great TV. I don't know what 660 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 2: you're doing. 661 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: I'm watching it right right, I have the opposite. I 662 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: cannot like it's just it's so like the whole thing. 663 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know her at all. 664 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 2: I don't know. 665 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: I don't know these people. I'm a fan, except I 666 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: know Margaret a little bit. I just I don't know. 667 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 2: It's hertcat. But Marbar's exactly the way you expect her 668 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,959 Speaker 2: to be, exactly, this is exactly the way you spect right, 669 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 2: you know. I think the last couple of seasons were tough. 670 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 2: But Teresa's a character and she's great and you. 671 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, no, she's obviously I'm watching it. I'm enjoying 672 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: watching her, you know. And and and also she seems 673 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: like a really great mom. 674 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 2: Amazing is yeah, beautiful, you know, no one can take 675 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 2: that away from her. Boy, because those girls are beautiful 676 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 2: and they're each very successful and they love their mother. 677 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so like that to me, you look at 678 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: that and you think, well something that that to me 679 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: is like, Okay, well you know, she loves her kids 680 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: and she's a great mom and so you know, and 681 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: but it's like it's just like madness. I'm just like, 682 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: what's happening? 683 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 2: You know? 684 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: That becomes less relatable. 685 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 2: I think, well, you know, they couldn't. There was nowhere 686 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 2: to go with that in the end, right, Yeah, you know, 687 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 2: I really thought last year after the reunion was so 688 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 2: caustic and stuff. I didn't think I think I thought 689 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 2: they would do it then, but I was surprised that 690 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 2: they went on for a whole nother year and they 691 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 2: kind of didn't. 692 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, because then it just becomes like you're like, 693 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: it's almost like I don't know, but I feel like 694 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: the thing about the Housewives for for for me at least, 695 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: is that it just like you you get to escape. 696 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: And I always love, you know, looking into other people's lives. 697 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: I think it's so interesting the way different people live and. 698 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 2: Looking into different cities, because yeah, how would you know 699 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 2: how a woman lives in New York City? Right? 700 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: I've decided I want to move to Salt Lake City. 701 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: I told my husband, you know what, it's. 702 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 2: So funny you say that, I said that. I said, 703 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 2: that's a college that called into my show today. I said, 704 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 2: from Salt Lake City. I said, I've never thought i'd 705 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 2: say this, but I'm dying to go to Salt Lake City. 706 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: I go to Park City every year because my kids. 707 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: We take our kids skiing there and I immediately go 708 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: to Meredith Mark store. I pray that I'll see somebody 709 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: I walk. It's it's such a great and we have 710 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: a lot of friends during the pandemic that moved from 711 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: LA to Park City and it's such an incredible life. Yes, 712 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: I just said, I mean I would never leave Oli. Honestly. 713 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 2: Women are very very glamorous. 714 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: Very glamorous, very yeah, and like even if on TikTok 715 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: some of the like Salt Lake City influencers, it's like, 716 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: you know, they're so they're getting these amazing. 717 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 2: They're a little Dallas, right they are. 718 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: They are. It's interesting, You're exactly right. Maybe that's what 719 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: took over. But it's such a great I mean, there's 720 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: so many amazing women that have come through and been through, 721 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: Like on our television. 722 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 2: I loved I thought they I really enjoyed it, and 723 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 2: I was sad not to see them come back. Was 724 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 2: I love Dubai. 725 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: I love to Dubai too. I loved it and I 726 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: loved Dubai. And Chanel was on your season of Traders, and. 727 00:33:47,640 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 2: She was a great character, very just saying what kind 728 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 2: of stays and what kind of goes? Isn't it There's 729 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 2: no real rhyme or reason to it. 730 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: No, And it's interesting because I don't. I mean, that 731 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: was like you're seeing like such opulence, Like the life 732 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: style in Dubai is crazy. 733 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 2: And again it's really like that because I've been like 734 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 2: three or four times and everything. 735 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: Is just over the top, right, I want to go. 736 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 2: I went to a very big party in Dubai, just 737 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 2: someone's house for dinner or dinner party in Dubai, and 738 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 2: we walked in through the gates and it was just beautiful, 739 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 2: like a building. I thought, oh god, that's nice. It 740 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 2: was all glass. I look at that, their whole buildings round. 741 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 2: I guess the guy goes, oh, no, that's just where 742 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 2: they keep their groad there. 743 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: And is it really that hot? It feels like it's 744 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: like so hot all the time. 745 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 2: Desert. Yes, it's really that hot. 746 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,959 Speaker 1: It's not even like even in the winter it's cold. 747 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 2: Bigger, better, faster. You go to someone's body, you know, 748 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 2: most people have a little tanned cavita or your thrilled. 749 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 2: You know that's everything's just bigger. And you just wonder 750 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 2: where there's all this money coming from that they. 751 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: Should live there. I would like big tins of caviar 752 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: at all times. 753 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 2: Right, it's so good, and the women dress up and 754 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 2: the women are, yeah, stunningly beautiful. 755 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 1: I know, I want to visit. I've never been. I've 756 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 1: never been there, and it seems like after watching that show. 757 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: That's the other thing is I wonder like how it 758 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: does first. 759 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 2: Pick because it's like going to Disney. It's so different 760 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 2: from what we understand. And I had never really, you know, 761 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 2: spent a lot of time the first time I went 762 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 2: over there, and I remember I saw a group of 763 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:37,399 Speaker 2: these Persian women sitting at the burge and they look 764 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,880 Speaker 2: like something out of it, like a book, you know 765 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 2: what I mean, you decided like one of those books 766 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 2: when you were a little with that beautiful black hair 767 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,280 Speaker 2: and the gorgeous skin. 768 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: Right, it was just I'm like dressed like perfectly. 769 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, dressed immaculately and just such such women. 770 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: I know, I wonder if it'll come back because it 771 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: was such a good It was so good. There are 772 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: different ones when I'm like, oh that I'm sad that 773 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: that's over. And there are some cities. Could you ever, 774 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: what was there a city that you think that like 775 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 1: they should do next? 776 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 2: You know, I believe I agree with you. I think 777 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 2: they could bring back Dallas. Yeah. 778 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: I love Dallas, such. 779 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 2: A great city, and it's a city and the women 780 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 2: are just such a cute who yeah, just such a 781 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 2: great sense of humor. They're like body a bit, you 782 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 2: know what I mean. I would have never have thought 783 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 2: Salt Lake City would do well, Like when I first 784 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 2: came out in like Selling City, what the hell is that? 785 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 2: So you just never know. Maybe a Housewives of uh 786 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 2: what about Housewives of Las Vegas. 787 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: Oh, that would be so good because there's this whole 788 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 1: culture there of like people that are way off of 789 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: the street. 790 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be really good in Las Vegas. 791 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: Like that would be really good. Like and there's a 792 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: whole there's a huge community out there, like the people 793 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 1: who live like off the street that you know, we're. 794 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 2: Super in these communities of huge houses. I've been there. 795 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,800 Speaker 2: You're like, wait, what this is Las Vegas? 796 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: Do you think that like all the women, some of 797 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,839 Speaker 1: the women, it feels like their houses aren't even real, 798 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: you know, like it's like do you I wonder if 799 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,399 Speaker 1: people feel like they have to like maybe pretend instead. 800 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 2: Of well, I think there's a lot of in life 801 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 2: in general. It definitely only shows. There's I always say, 802 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,799 Speaker 2: there's the first season glow up right. 803 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: The teeth. It's always the teeth and they. 804 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 2: Look totally different. 805 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 1: You're like, always the teeth. 806 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 2: They're always like twenty pounds in er new teeth and yeah, 807 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,439 Speaker 2: you're like, wow, you had a great summer. And there's 808 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 2: definitely a pressure to keep up. Yeah, and you can 809 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,720 Speaker 2: fall into it, and you've got to be careful because 810 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 2: you know, you can end up spending everything you make 811 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 2: trying to keep up and then ulfilling prophecy. Right, yeah, 812 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 2: because if you're not sort of prepared, because everybody eventually 813 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,839 Speaker 2: goes yeah you know and it's done like this, yes, right, 814 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 2: you have to be ready for that day. 815 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 1: But then like there's always the chance that then you 816 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: come back, oh yeah, you know. 817 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,800 Speaker 2: The great thing about if you're in good favor with 818 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 2: Robo and NBC and stuff. They always I always say, 819 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 2: I'm like the Jack in the box. I you know, 820 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 2: they put they put me on the shelf for a year. 821 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 2: So then I come back out and do an Ultimate 822 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 2: Girlship and I go back on the shelf and they 823 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,800 Speaker 2: wind me up and they come out, you know what 824 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 2: I mean. So you're always doing something with NBC. It 825 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 2: really I mean, I know this sounds corny and people 826 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 2: are gonna believe it, but it is like you're part 827 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 2: of a family. Yeah, I was so hap I saw 828 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 2: that when Peacock picked up, you know, the show. I'm 829 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 2: trying to get up off the feet for Bluestone Matter, 830 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,880 Speaker 2: because you want to keep it in the family. Right, 831 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 2: there's no learning curve, right, you know exactly can and 832 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 2: talk to them and ask them questions and learn from them, 833 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 2: and you know they're always very receptive about that. 834 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,399 Speaker 1: Can you tell us more about that show? 835 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 2: Well, you know, we're developed. I've developed a show and 836 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 2: Peacock is involved right now and we're trying to get it, 837 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,800 Speaker 2: you know, up and going and cast and hopefully cameras 838 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 2: getting the cameras up sometime in the summer. 839 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: I'd love to be on it. 840 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 2: Okay, I think it's important because people miss they sincerely 841 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 2: miss Bluestone Manner. 842 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,439 Speaker 1: Do you still have the fish in the room? 843 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 2: Of course? And Andy has won a watch Rabbits Live. 844 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: That's so good. 845 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 2: I brought one to watch Rabbits Live. He's got it. 846 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 2: It's hug up in the in the main room. 847 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: That's so funny. 848 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I mean, and that's another cultural phenomena 849 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 2: thing like with Andy was like, can we have one 850 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,439 Speaker 2: of your fish for the watch rapp Is Life room. 851 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 2: I was so honored. You would have thought that he 852 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 2: asked me to give him his first first baby. 853 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: Also like that was like that, you know, he carried. 854 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 2: It back in the back of my car. 855 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: I think about your kitchen and at Blue Stowe Manner 856 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:47,759 Speaker 1: all the time. 857 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 2: The beauty of the Beast kitchen. 858 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 1: It's such a good kitchen and you're making lasagna. 859 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 2: That happens weekly. See that's you know what I did 860 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,880 Speaker 2: my kitchen a blue No matter of this Marshall Watson, 861 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 2: who I'm very close to, but he's you know, probably 862 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 2: much more fancy than me. He's like, what are you 863 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 2: feeling for your kitchen? I said, I want it to 864 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 2: be like a beauty in the Beast kitchen. I want 865 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 2: to be able to drag a dead animal in there 866 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:13,359 Speaker 2: and chop it up on the counter. 867 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: And you did it. 868 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 2: I said, you want to accomplished schedule. I don't want 869 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 2: anything cute. I want heavy, thick, you know, like a 870 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,319 Speaker 2: working kitchen you see in Newport from nineteen oh two. 871 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,280 Speaker 2: And I it's so, it's a working kitchen. 872 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, you should. 873 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 2: You should like it. 874 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 1: It's it's like Graceland. 875 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 2: You should do like. 876 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 1: It's like a very it's an iconic, an iconic place 877 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 1: for people would come visit. 878 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 2: Now, that would be my dream if I could just 879 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 2: get up there. You know, it's such a it's such 880 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 2: a crazy thing. Every time I get up there to 881 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 2: take a week, something comes up and I'm back in 882 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 2: the city real time. 883 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: How long does it take to get up there from 884 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: the city. 885 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 2: It's nothing. It's like like a little under two and 886 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 2: a half hours. But it's a beautiful drive because you 887 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,280 Speaker 2: get right on the Taconic, you get off in Millbrook. 888 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 2: I stop and go to the diner there and then 889 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 2: mentally I'm kind of home, even though great or so 890 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,320 Speaker 2: or maybe forty Yeah, thirty about thirty. But it's just 891 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 2: such a It's not like going to the Hamptains, which 892 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 2: is an arduous yeah, highway drive. This is a beautiful drive, 893 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 2: so it's like enjoying it. Read something. I don't go 894 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 2: now because it's just too cold and dark and I 895 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,800 Speaker 2: don't do well in that. You know, at least in 896 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,359 Speaker 2: the city, what it's like this, you can still cop 897 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,839 Speaker 2: in a cab. You can still go see your friends 898 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 2: one way. 899 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 1: You just like walk down the street in the city 900 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 1: the house. No, no, no, no, I get that. Thank 901 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: you so much for joining me on another episode of 902 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 1: What in the Winkler. Please tell a friend to listen, 903 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 1: like it, follow it, subscribe. 904 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 2: Thank you,