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Speaker 2: So I think you could see on Putin's face he

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Speaker 1: There's the conspiracy theory himself, the man that loves to

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Speaker 1: This is all because of Donald Trump. And Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: I know you're not gonna like this question because you

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Speaker 4: So how are you well.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad that Jim Comy put out that video statement

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Speaker 4: I think more and more.

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Speaker 2: People have to speak out.

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Speaker 5: And I'm waiting for those Republicans in Congress to come

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Speaker 2: And certainly I think we're in for even choppier waters it.

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Speaker 1: Now you notice the media there trying to turn him

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Speaker 7: So I found out about this last week, last Thursday.

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Speaker 7: presiding against over much of the litigation against against Trump,

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Speaker 7: had an order from Judge Boseberg ordering AT and T

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Speaker 7: you cannot disclose to Cruise that we're seeking his cell

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Speaker 7: phone information for a year.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that amazing? By the way, and you're sitting unin

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Speaker 1: State Center, don't tell him. We don't want him to know.

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Speaker 7: Yes, and so AT and T examined it, and they

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Speaker 7: actually they came to the conclusion. Now, the way it works,

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Speaker 7: so the subpoena just comes and they get a cell

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Speaker 7: phone number. So so the Biden DOJ didn't identify who

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Speaker 7: they were seeking. And by the way, look the telecom

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Speaker 7: companies typically if they get a subpoena for phone records

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Speaker 7: on a number, they typically handed over because it's usually

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Speaker 7: a drug dealer or a criminal. You have a subpoena

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Speaker 7: that's issued from a grand jury, so so it it

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Speaker 7: they will routinely in a criminal proceeding hand over. Well,

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Speaker 7: it's so happened that that AT and T, even though

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Speaker 7: they just asked for the number, they looked and realized

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Speaker 7: whose number it was, and and and that they talked

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Speaker 7: with their legal team, and and and they said, listen,

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Speaker 7: what what Cruz is saying is it and any member

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Speaker 7: of Congress, what they're saying is protected by the Speech

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Speaker 7: and Debate Clause of the Constitution. The Constitution protects the

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Speaker 7: ability of of of Senators and House members to engage

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Speaker 7: in debate, to to do our jobs. Article one of

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Speaker 7: the Constitution vests all legislative power in the Congress. And

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Speaker 7: and in fact, we you know, on January sixth, it

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Speaker 7: was very literally speech and debate. As I said, I

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Speaker 7: was standing on the Senate floor giving a speech and

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Speaker 7: raising an objection. So it's literally the heart of what

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Speaker 7: one does as an elected member of Congress. And so

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Speaker 7: At and T concluded, listen there, we're not going to comply.

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Speaker 7: As I said, I'm grateful for At and T doing that,

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Speaker 7: But that now makes it nine senators that we know

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Speaker 7: of and one House.

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Speaker 1: So I'm guessing there might be other senators that were

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Speaker 1: also at At and T and they probably said no, we're

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Speaker 1: not going to do that either, right it would be

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Speaker 1: Verizon just caved instantly and said, sure, here's everybody you're

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Speaker 1: asking for. There could be easily I would say another four, five,

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Speaker 1: six others. Who knows how many outside the Senate right

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Speaker 1: that they could have asked for that they could have

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Speaker 1: said no to as well.

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Speaker 4: And I would assume there was a lot of people

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Speaker 4: on at and t well.

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Speaker 7: And look the Biden DOJ also after the Republican Attorney

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Speaker 7: General's Association. It went after Turning Point USA. This was

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Speaker 7: a massive fishing expedition and this was a political persecution. Understand.

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Speaker 7: Jack Smith was appointed Special Counsel to investigate and prosecute

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Speaker 7: January sixth, three days after Donald Trump announced his campaign

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Speaker 7: for reelection in twenty twenty four, literally three days later,

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Speaker 7: so it was twenty twenty two, so it was two

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Speaker 7: years after January sixth. They had not appointed anyone, and

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Speaker 7: yet suddenly when Trump announces his campaign, they rushed to

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Speaker 7: appoint Jack Smith to say, go after Donald Trump because

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Speaker 7: we want to stop the voters from voting for him. Sure,

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Speaker 7: but nine senators, that is twenty percent of the Republicans

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Speaker 7: in the United States Senate. And I got to say

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Speaker 7: for the executive branch to engage in wholesale spying on

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Speaker 7: their political opponents and spying with let's be clear none

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Speaker 7: of us engaged in criminal conduct. None of us can

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Speaker 7: engage in anything remotely criminal, arguably criminal. This was political persecution.

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Speaker 7: This was snooping. This is hoping. Someone said something.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you, what were they hoping to find? Right,

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Speaker 1: you go fishing and what what is this smoking gun?

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Speaker 1: In that scenario, they were just hey, we'll just go

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Speaker 1: after all these conservatives and maybe we get lucky.

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Speaker 4: Look.

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Speaker 7: I don't know what they were hoping to find, but

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Speaker 7: but but they were asking for the cell phone records

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Speaker 7: from from January fourth to January seventh, so all surrounding

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Speaker 7: January sixth. I assumed they were looking for some some

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Speaker 7: modicum of coordination, uh with with with those who engage

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Speaker 7: in active violence on that day. Part of their theory

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Speaker 7: was was the alternate electors that were being sent from

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Speaker 7: various states. So I assumed they were looking for some

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Speaker 7: modicum of coordination there. But this was a political prosecution

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Speaker 7: because they did not have evidence, and so they said, well,

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Speaker 7: let's let's go through their cell phone records and see

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Speaker 7: if we can find something. And by the way, who

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Speaker 7: knows if if somebody had sent something stupid text, had

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Speaker 7: a voicemail, had you know, I mean people when you

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Speaker 7: go through someone emails, when you go through someone's cell phones,

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Speaker 7: when prosecutors go looking for a crime, the nature of

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Speaker 7: a fishing expedition is, let's go look around. You know.

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Speaker 7: There's a book that was written decades ago. Uh that

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Speaker 7: that that that's called three Felonies a Day, And and

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Speaker 7: it talks about how the average American commits three felonies

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Speaker 7: a day, that that in our regulatory state, things are

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Speaker 7: so complicated, things are so mired in complexity that that

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Speaker 7: that you can violate you know, you you step on

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Speaker 7: a wetland in your backyard, and and and you know

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Speaker 7: there's an old line that a prosecutor can indict a

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Speaker 7: ham sandwich. Yeah, that that a prosecutor goes in front

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Speaker 7: of a grand jury. When a prosecutor goes in front

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Speaker 7: of a grand jury, you know, there's no defense attorney there.

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Speaker 7: It's just the prosecutor and members of the grand jury.

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Speaker 7: And so, I don't know what they were looking for.

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Speaker 7: I think they were looking for anything that could stick

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Speaker 7: because this was a political prosecution.

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Speaker 4: Let me ask you this, if and and so, Ben,

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Speaker 4: I just.

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Speaker 7: Want to say I'm really grateful they did not find

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Speaker 7: the pictures you sent to me of you in a

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Speaker 7: pink too too, because I just think that it's not

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Speaker 7: criminal all.

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Speaker 1: The league jokes that I send you about the Ivy

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Speaker 1: League snobs. I mean, Jack Smith probably ended up going

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Speaker 1: to one of those places. That could have been very

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Speaker 1: bad for me.

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Speaker 7: I I it, you know it, it would have been uh.

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Speaker 7: And and I got to say, just the typos and

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Speaker 7: misspellings that that that you have in your text, that

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Speaker 7: that alone would have.

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Speaker 4: Been been a little bit embarrassing too.

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Speaker 7: So I'm glad none of that.

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Speaker 1: Good news is they're very hard to decipher when you're

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Speaker 1: if there, if it's in front of you know, Congress,

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Speaker 1: like it's what was been really trying to say.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, you're welcome.

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Speaker 7: I will tell you about I talked to AT and

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Speaker 7: T today and I said, look, you guys got to

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Speaker 7: start a marketing campaign and shift to a T and T.

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Speaker 7: We'll we'll protect your stuff, like yeas to them. Look,

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Speaker 7: I I don't have a good answer to that. But

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Speaker 7: but but but I did.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 7: And I didn't know about this until just a few

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Speaker 7: days ago. So this was when the first news broke.

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Speaker 7: Like I was joking that I felt excluded, but it

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Speaker 7: wasn't entirely a joke. And then I was like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 7: that makes sense, and.

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Speaker 1: And here we are all right here, I don't question

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Speaker 1: on this. What is gonna be the response from Congress?

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Speaker 1: Will there be any to this or is this just

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Speaker 1: old administration abuse of power?

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Speaker 4: It is what it is.

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Speaker 1: We're going to move on, or is there going to

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Speaker 1: be a way to make sure like we have standards

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Speaker 1: of this is not allowed to happen and that people

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Speaker 1: are held accountable for this.

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Speaker 7: Look, I think we're going to see hearings. I think

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Speaker 7: we've we've got hearings coming in the House. I think

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Speaker 7: we'll see hearings in the Senate. I will tell you

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Speaker 7: the nine of us who were targeted, we're talking to

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Speaker 7: each other because we want to prevent this. We want

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Speaker 7: to prevent a subsequent DOJ from doing this, from spying

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Speaker 7: on their political opponents, particularly in Congress. The executive doesn't

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Speaker 7: have the ability to go engage in spying on members

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Speaker 7: of the posing party in Congress. That is an abuse

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Speaker 7: of power. It is it is politicization.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 7: And and this that this entire effort, so so, this

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Speaker 7: prosecution was called Arctic Frost, and I think this is

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Speaker 7: going to be the Watergate of the Biden d o J.

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Speaker 7: I think it is a demonstration that Jack Smith was

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Speaker 7: a partisan prosecutor who was drunk on power and and

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Speaker 7: and and I don't believe Jack Smith made this decision

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Speaker 7: on his own. I think the decision making goes all

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Speaker 7: the way up. I think it goes up to the

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Speaker 7: Attorney General, and I think it goes up to the

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Speaker 7: White House. And and so I expect number one, some

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Speaker 7: some real investigation and hopefully transparency in terms of who

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Speaker 7: approved let's go spy on members of Congress and and

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Speaker 7: and and and that that I think we're gonna work

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Speaker 7: to have some real transparency on and that. I think

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Speaker 7: we're gonna look at real and concrete steps we can

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Speaker 7: take to make sure this never happens again, because this

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Speaker 7: kind of is.

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Speaker 1: They're part of you that just thinks like maybe this

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Speaker 1: has just been going on and never really stopped. After

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Speaker 1: you know, the the famous FBI director that had you know,

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Speaker 1: files on everybody, and people said well, we won't have

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Speaker 1: that again after Jagger, and now it's like they're just

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Speaker 1: like they wild West. You can do what the hell

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Speaker 1: you want to if you're a Democrat, and you're in charge.

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Speaker 1: Like we can spawn in the present, we can spy

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Speaker 1: in the campaigns. We can go after people in this

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Speaker 1: situation room and the trap them. We can try to

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Speaker 1: go after their business associates and their kids and get

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Speaker 1: them to turn against them, like Eric Trump was talking

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Speaker 1: about that on our show the day. If you missed

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Speaker 1: that show, people should go back and listen to He's

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Speaker 1: like they were literally trying to turn Donald Trump's own

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Speaker 1: children against him, threatening that your life's gonna be over

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna be in jail, so you better get

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Speaker 1: a get out of jail free card. And now it's

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Speaker 1: like yeah, and we were also spaying on senators. I'm

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Speaker 1: assuming some congressmen will come out like who knows who's there?

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Speaker 1: We I mean, Charlie Kirk said recently before assassination. It

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Speaker 1: came out that he said during the campaign, we either

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Speaker 1: win the campaign or I may go to jail.

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Speaker 4: I actually believe.

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Speaker 1: Now witnessing what we've sayen that that's not far off

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Speaker 1: from reality at all.

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Speaker 7: Look, the left was willing to weaponize the Department of

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Speaker 7: Justice in the FBI.

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Speaker 6: As you know.

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Speaker 7: I wrote an entire book entitled Justice Corrupted. How the

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Speaker 7: left is weaponized our legal system, and it talked about

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Speaker 7: it actually started with Richard Nixon. Richard Nixon tried to

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Speaker 7: do that. And and you look at some of the

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Speaker 7: some of the hair brain schemes that the Nixon Justice

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Speaker 7: Department came up with, including creating underground stings to to

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Speaker 7: get people, uh, to get people on film taking drugs

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Speaker 7: and with prostitutes to use to essentially blackmail them and

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Speaker 7: to go after their political opponents. I mean, it was

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Speaker 7: grotesque abuse of power. And and and when when that

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Speaker 7: came to light, we actually saw an improvement. And there

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Speaker 7: were a couple of decades where I think this this

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Speaker 7: receded and occurred far less. And then what Richard Nixon

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Speaker 7: tried to do to the justices, to Barack Obama succeeded

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Speaker 7: in doing. He came in as this this almost messiah figure,

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Speaker 7: and and and and do o j. Eric Holders Attorney General.

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Speaker 7: You had Lois Learner at the I R S. They

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Speaker 7: began targeting their political opponents, targeting targeting anyone that they

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Speaker 7: disagreed with, and also protecting their friends. During the Trump

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Speaker 7: administration the first term, they went underground, but they waged

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Speaker 7: war on the president. These are the people that created

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Speaker 7: fraudulent documents submitted to the FISA Court in order to

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Speaker 7: in order to try to go after President Trump. They

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Speaker 7: wanted to reverse the results of the twenty sixteen election

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Speaker 7: because they were furious that the American people elected Trump.

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Speaker 7: And then during Biden, they were open, they were flagrant,

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Speaker 7: were abusing their power. And I think they felt that

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Speaker 7: the ends justified the means, and and and anything was

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Speaker 7: acceptable and and and so I think we need to

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Speaker 7: take real steps. Do I think this has been going

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Speaker 7: on forever and ever? I own I certainly hope not.

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Speaker 7: I'm not aware that it has. Uh, there is there,

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Speaker 7: there's ancient history, but it took really, I think, under

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Speaker 7: Biden to to make it just as as viciously partisan

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Speaker 7: as as became.

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