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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number fifty

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Speaker 1: four Tay in the show, We're joined by author and

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Speaker 1: host of Meat Eater TV Stephen Ranella, and we're talking conservation.

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Speaker 1: All right, Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, And

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Speaker 1: as you might imagine, I'm pretty darn excited for today's

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Speaker 1: episode as we're joined by Stephen Rannella. Yes, Steven Ronell

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Speaker 1: is on the show to guys, pretty excited about it.

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Speaker 1: But before we get to that, I have another exciting

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Speaker 1: announcement I wanted to share with you. And you know,

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Speaker 1: as you all know, the wire Hunt podcast is free

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Speaker 1: to download and listen to, and I do everything I

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Speaker 1: can to make sure that the podcast provides a huge

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Speaker 1: amount of value to you the listener. But that said,

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Speaker 1: unfortunately is not free to actually create this podcast and

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Speaker 1: run the Wired hunt website, and so would that being

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Speaker 1: the case. Over the past few years, I've depended on

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Speaker 1: a few like minded companies that I trust to help

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Speaker 1: keep Wired Hunt funded and operational. Tell you, though, I'm

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Speaker 1: excited that our longest time partner, sick Gear has decided

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Speaker 1: to step up in an extra special way and its

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Speaker 1: main investments, specifically in this podcast and you guys. That

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Speaker 1: will ensure that we can keep producing awesome free episodes

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Speaker 1: for you all for a long, long time. That said,

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Speaker 1: as part of that, on each episode, Move four will

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Speaker 1: be featuring a short advertisement from sick Up. But advertisement

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Speaker 1: really is a bad word for what we're gonna be doing,

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Speaker 1: as these super short pieces will simply be stories for me,

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Speaker 1: interviews of other hunters, or behind the scenes insights from

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Speaker 1: Sick of Gear employees. In short, this is going to

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Speaker 1: be different than almost all ads you ever see on

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Speaker 1: TV or here on the radio. These are gonna be fun,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be short, and they're going to be informative.

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Speaker 1: And today I want to kick that off actually with

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Speaker 1: the story of how I was introduced to sick of Gear.

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Speaker 1: This all started actually uh back when I was just

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Speaker 1: getting start with Wire to Hunt in the fall of

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Speaker 1: At that time, I was working for a tech company

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Speaker 1: looking at new hunting gear and new anything honey really had,

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Speaker 1: really and I caught win of a new hunting clothing

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Speaker 1: company that was bringing high tech mountaineering fabrics and processes

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Speaker 1: that was Sick of Gear. And I was super intrigued.

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Speaker 1: And over the coming weeks and months, I did a

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Speaker 1: ton of digging around, did a lot of reading, a

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Speaker 1: this person happened to have connections at SICKA, and I

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Speaker 1: But you know, on top of that, I figured, you know,

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Speaker 1: They are a bunch of guys and girls that are

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Speaker 1: And that's why I'm so pumped for Sick of Gear

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Speaker 1: all that said, moving forward will have a short weekly

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Speaker 1: out on all this and for supporting the companies that

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Speaker 1: to the real matter at hand, and that's our interview

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Speaker 1: today with Steven Ronella. And this is a podcast I've

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Speaker 1: wonder where you've been the last few years. Steven Ronella is,

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Speaker 1: to make Steve's hunting world better. He's more habitat, more animals.

427
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: We cleaner water, cleaner air for Steve, right, But it's

428
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 1: probably not gonna happen. It would be nice, but it's unrealistic.

429
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 1: When I was just having this conversation, I was having

430
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Speaker 1: this conversation that I have it often with my brother,

431
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: and he has very valid points. I almost feel like,

432
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 1: you know, you should call him get his side of it.

433
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 1: So it's funny because we're talking to him and he

434
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 1: just got done hunting turkey and he just got he

435
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 1: just got done doing a combo turkey hunting trip, small

436
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: mouth walleye trip. Well, and I said to him, we're

437
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 1: talking about this. He's talking about, Yeah, why he wanted

438
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: so much competition and you're gonna make too much competition.

439
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 1: And I was like, hey, dude, who put the turkeys?

440
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 1: And he just hunted on the around They're not native

441
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 1: where you're at, you know, savation. It's like, and I

442
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: know that those small mouth bass and wall in our

443
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: native where you're at, you know, in those kinds from

444
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: fishing game who is a licensed funded agency. So don't

445
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: tell me that you're gonna go it alone. You know

446
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: you're not. Just dude, had no trip, dude, you know,

447
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: without people, without without the kind of stuff we're talking about.

448
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: You know, it's complicated, like everything with wildlife is just

449
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 1: as annalsty complicated. Very true. So so on this topic

450
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: of uh, you know, the the human element of conservation.

451
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 1: You know, what I really want to dive into with

452
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 1: you today was was about this idea of the hunter conservationist. Right,

453
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 1: the lots of times we often talked about hunting. It's

454
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: conservation and the original conservationists in many cases were hunters. Um.

455
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 1: But today, in today's world, what do you think it

456
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: means to be a hunter conservationists? And what responsibility do

457
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: you think comes with that? Well, I'll trust that. I

458
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: want us back a minute. Yeah, I think that historical

459
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: is a temptation to cherry pick, you know, and be like, yeah,

460
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: the hunter, the hunter conservation concept is is old. You know.

461
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: I recently re read all the Leopold Same County Almanac,

462
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: and I was kind of blown away by some of

463
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 1: the ideas that that guy was having in the forties,

464
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: which are very fresh right now. It was almost like

465
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Speaker 1: the guy was looking into a crystal ball. It was

466
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: amazing some of the concepts and ideas he was struggling

467
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 1: with at the same time. But a lot of what

468
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 1: he's responding to, you know, the destination of American water

469
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 1: fowl and some other things, and and he touches on

470
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: the eradication of the buffalo off the Great Plains was

471
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 1: those things were committed by hunters. You know, we always like,

472
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: oh and all they weren't really hunters. Because they were

473
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 1: market hunters, but they were dudes like shooting guns, right,

474
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: their guys shooting guns. If I'd been born back then,

475
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 1: I would have been one of those guys. I have

476
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: no doubt in my mind excuse if I'd have been born,

477
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: if I'd have like been born in eighteen fifty as

478
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: a twenty two year old, I would have been down

479
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 1: on the southern plains shooting buffalo and salon hives. And

480
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: if I wasn't would have been bummed that I wasn't there, right,

481
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: because it's like, that's what's going on at the time.

482
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: There was like the fun. It was like where was that.

483
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: You can't expect people to just have to be like

484
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: Leopold and have this crystal ball where they can see

485
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 1: that the implications of their actions and just to keep

486
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: up to that for a minute. Like once they shot

487
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: all the buffalo, so they killed the buffalo off the

488
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: southern plains and they went in hunted the northern plains,

489
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: and the last big herd left in the US was

490
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: sort of had this nexus of them around Miles City, Montana.

491
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: When they shot all those in the winter eighteen eighty two,

492
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,719
Speaker 1: they had no idea what they've done and and and

493
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: later it was said that a lot of the guys

494
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: were still hanging around Mile City knowing that there must

495
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: be a ton more buffalo it would eventually come down

496
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: out of Canada, having no idea. They've actually shut all.

497
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: You know. So when I think that like hunters created

498
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 1: all kinds of trophies, I don't mean they set out

499
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: and said like, hey, Joe, let's go out west in

500
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: in uh extra pay species from the vast majority of

501
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: its train. You know. They're just doing what they were

502
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: doing at the time. But I don't want to act

503
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: like I don't. I think it's a little bit's unfair

504
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: to act like hunters. And hunting has always been this

505
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: great pot, like this great force for good, because it's

506
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: always been where some people we're not acting with restraints

507
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: and we're not exercising good judgment. We're just blind to

508
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: the future, you know. And some people were visionaries. Teddy

509
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: Roosevelt of Visionary Conservation to all believable visionary conservations, year

510
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: old visionary conservations, William key hornety visionary conservations. Right, guys

511
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: that just got it, you know, honor conservations. And I

512
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: would say that that same struggle still goes down today.

513
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: No one right now is legally committing any kind of

514
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: atrocity even remotely comparable to the to the eradication of

515
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: the you know, the American buffalo. But I think that

516
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: there are people out there who are operating on a

517
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: take it while you can get it mindset, And I'm

518
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: not even like so much blaming them. It could be

519
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: the same things like lack of education from your father,

520
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: your grandfather about sort of the history of wildlife in America.

521
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: It could be just that you just weren't raised in

522
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: the situation where you really asked to contemplate the future,

523
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: you know. And then we still today have people who

524
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: are saying, like, hey man, let's step back and take

525
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: a big look at what's going on. I like to

526
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: hunt turkeys, Okay, I like turkeys. What is it that

527
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: allows turkeys to be on the landscape? Who is it

528
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: that allows turkey to be on the landscape? And you

529
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: can step back and get a wider and wider and

530
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: wider picture until you've got to the point where you're

531
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: looking and when you see a turkey, you see everything

532
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: that goes into that bird. You admire the turkey, You

533
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: admire the sky that produces the rain that waters the

534
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: plants that the turkey eats. Like that sort of look,

535
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: you know, holistic look at your hunting life and resources

536
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: and conservation leads to like some introspection in new you

537
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: and you know what, I want to make it so

538
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: looks better than than the way I found it. Yeah,

539
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: this especially you for me now that I have a

540
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: young kid, because I don't want to be in a

541
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: situation where I'm telling my four year old, oh man,

542
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: you should have seen it, you know, should have seen it. Amazing.

543
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: But I'd rather be like, yeah, man, let's go check

544
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: it out. It's amazing, you know. Yeah. And it's thinking

545
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: about like our dad's like my dad had my dad

546
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: was born in I definitely thanks for the Marrin conservation movement.

547
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: I hunted and am hunting a much better landscape than

548
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: my dad was hunting when he started about no doubt,

549
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: no doubt, there's a lot of risks right now, but

550
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: just on just one, if you look at just like

551
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: some landmark species, like some Pinnacle Game species, it's you know,

552
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: in some ways you can say we're living in the

553
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: good old days right now, comparable to the thirties, And

554
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: that's all the thank for here. That's all the thanks.

555
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: That's the thank for hunter conservations, in particularly organizations that

556
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: are funded impacted by hunter conservations. So what does that

557
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: mean for the average hunter today? Then if some is

558
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: listening right and you're is resonating with some of the

559
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: things you're saying about looking at that larger ecosystem picture

560
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: and how things impact what we're able to do, now

561
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: you know what are what can the averagehunterer do today

562
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: or tomorrow to become a better a better hunter conservation

563
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: is to actually start working towards some of these greater

564
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: good things. Is there any actionable steps that can be taken?

565
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: Or do you just need to become more aware? No?

566
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: I think that awareness leads to actionable stuff. But I

567
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: think a great thing if you just steel overwhelmed, right,

568
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: do you know what you love? Do you know that

569
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: every year you and your bodies like to go out

570
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: last you do an elk time? Okay, it might seem

571
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: great you guys just seeing tons of elk. Whatever it

572
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: takes you saying like, okay, it's good, now, let's keep

573
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: it good. Who's working to keep it good? In the

574
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: case of elk, I think you would have to look

575
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: very far and you're gonna find the Rocky Mountain Elk

576
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: Foundation is a good organization. Follow their lead. You know

577
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: you're not going to make this stuff up on your

578
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: own A lot. I since that because people that single

579
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: handedly do great work. I met a guy one time

580
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: that was just had a big chunk of property in Iowa.

581
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: He was a bluebird and whosist. You know, bluebirds are

582
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: almost wiped off the face of the earth, wipes off

583
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: the eastern bluebird is almost eradicated, variety of causes. Um.

584
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: But this guy, like was a bluebird. He ran a

585
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: bluebird nesting program on a big farm in Iowa. So

586
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: he was a single handedly out there like making bluebird

587
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: to habitat that he loved bluebird. There are people who

588
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: do that all the time on their own land. I

589
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,479
Speaker 1: got a friend of Wisconsin. This guy hang out all

590
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: the time, dug there and loves deer, works on his

591
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: place for deer. He's got a hundreds of acres of land.

592
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: But you know he might not have that. He might

593
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: not be able to exercise that kind of immediate control

594
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: if you don't hold all this land. And if that's

595
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: the case, followed lead of other people. I'm involved with

596
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of conservation groups in some way or another,

597
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, blown to rocking on the Elk Foundation. UM,

598
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: I tried to do stuff that's the porn of and

599
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: work with National Wild thirty Federation. I'm a public lands

600
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: add it. I believe in public trust, bold but public

601
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: trust lands. For that reason, I stay involved with back

602
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: country hunters and anglers, you know. I I think of

603
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: the things I care about and things that I would

604
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: like to see continue, not just as I'd like to remedy.

605
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: And there's any of those. There's wrong, as the need

606
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: to be fixed. There's wrong for me to be right.

607
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: And there's also stuff that's good right now it's good,

608
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: let's keep it good. Who wants to keep it good?

609
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: Who wants to make it better? And then so you

610
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: support behind those groups. Is there a thing that we're

611
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: constantly faced with? This is something I touched another one

612
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: or something that I alluded to, and I was talking

613
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: about all the Lehopoles all Letopole is talking about in

614
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: the fourties. He's talking about the the the US has

615
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: become like a hypochontract about economic issues, where we're so

616
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: fixated on the idea of our economic health that we're

617
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: incapable of being healthy, you know. And what I'm getting

618
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: to there is I think that there's some issues, there's

619
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: some wildless and conservation issues where you're just gonna have

620
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: to accept the fact that in can be you know,

621
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: having a healthy environment, having strong wildlife habitat, having good

622
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing opportunities is going to at some point

623
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: in time come at a cost, at an economic cost

624
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: potentially where you might have to sacrifice some immediate thing

625
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: with like jobs right now. There's some immediate things like

626
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: construction money right now in exchange for the long term

627
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: goal of having a healthy environment, you know. Um, and

628
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: that's just what people to do. People look at elk

629
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: re introductions and there and there were you know who's

630
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: worried about elk gre inaductions is car insurance companies. I

631
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: didn't want to pay all those creams offer people smacking

632
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: in the giant elk on the road right, it's like

633
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: an inconvenience thing. Buffalo outside in the Greater Yellowstone ecosystem,

634
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: coming outside of the elksoa national parket can needian They

635
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: smash your fences, they eat grass, you could go to cattle.

636
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: It's just like at some point in time, you always

637
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: stay the idea that a little bit of it is

638
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: going to be inconvenient if people go through a lot

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Speaker 1: of these mental gymn masters. I think of let's talking about,

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Speaker 1: you know, the economic impact hunting and fishing, and I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's great. I'd love to heart all those figures, and

642
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Speaker 1: I support that kind of research. But you know what,

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Speaker 1: if you told me that that having clean air and

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Speaker 1: water cost money, I would still think it's a good idea.

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Speaker 1: Stephen makes a great point here, and I'm curious to

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Speaker 1: hear more. But first we need to take another quick

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Speaker 1: with Mr Stephen Ronnella. Now on that topic, then, you know,

689
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Speaker 1: I've I've heard the concern about the given the fact

690
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Speaker 1: that everything comes down to for some people, the financial

691
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: ramifications of it. Like you just said, people now we're

692
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Speaker 1: trying to find the economic impact of hunting or the

693
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 1: economic good that recreational tourism in so and so wilderness

694
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Speaker 1: area will bring to the economy, and so they justify

695
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Speaker 1: having that habitat preserved because of that something like that. UM.

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Speaker 1: So the risk of that though, that i've you know,

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Speaker 1: I've on this conversation I've heard is that if you

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Speaker 1: start putting a financial number behind all these different conservation

699
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: projects or preservations or whatever whatever might be, then do

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Speaker 1: you risk that sometimes when the money isn't you know,

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Speaker 1: justifiable to the cost. Then poolill say, okay, we shouldn't

702
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: conserve this because you know, the finances aren't there, And

703
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Speaker 1: then you start getting the alternate view of that. Do

704
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Speaker 1: is that something that's is that a real risk? Oh

705
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Speaker 1: yeah for sure. Like let's say just take a hillside

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Speaker 1: you get them mountainside and for any kind of thing

707
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Speaker 1: you gotta state fishing game area or something. You go,

708
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: oh yeah, because it's gonna bring X next money because

709
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna have people buying home licenses. And some guys

710
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: would go like, oh, you want to talk about some money,

711
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Speaker 1: let me run the figures for you about after I

712
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Speaker 1: put a golf course in a resort on that chunker ground, right.

713
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Speaker 1: So then you step back and go like, oh yeah,

714
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Speaker 1: clearly you in man, go ahead, you make the more

715
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Speaker 1: money that way. Yeah, it's you know, it's nice to

716
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Speaker 1: make the case. I believe in making the case. I

717
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: think it's important and it's important to politicians. You have

718
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: to just like, you know, they live in a numbers

719
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Speaker 1: world oftentimes. I mean, some do something furial world will

720
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: never understand, but some of them are numbers people, you know,

721
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: and um, yeah, it's helped to make the case but yeah,

722
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: that's definitely I'm afraid of it's. Oh so it's a

723
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: it's a financial game. Now have to justify, have to

724
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Speaker 1: justify healthy productive land. I have to justify a cology

725
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Speaker 1: on the immediate financial return. You know. I worry about

726
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: that a little bit, and then in some ways I

727
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: can I kind of really gets bigger than money. It's

728
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: bigger than money. Yeah, but I get I get the

729
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Speaker 1: need for it. I understand the need for it. Um,

730
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Speaker 1: but yeah, I do want to be like I always

731
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Speaker 1: want to include a caveat where it would say, like

732
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Speaker 1: there's money here. You know, healthy land is valuable financially,

733
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Speaker 1: it's valuable in dollars, but even besides that, it's more

734
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Speaker 1: important than that, you know. And that's the challenge is

735
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Speaker 1: how do we communicate that to the people that aren't

736
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Speaker 1: out there actually you know, enjoying time in these places

737
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Speaker 1: or where these animals, Because like, like we've talked about,

738
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of people in urban settings that that

739
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: never actually experienced that other than watching on TV. Yeah,

740
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Speaker 1: you gotta figure out whatever it is, you know. Actually,

741
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you are the term of like charismatic megafauna.

742
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: How people they have never seen a wolf will become

743
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: like art and wolf advocates and and and and I

744
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 1: feel like they're like, like, you know, armchair wolf biologists. Um, yeah,

745
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: if you could take that and and has like charismatic

746
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: landscapes that were outside of the National Park System between

747
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: of something very good, you know. But there's like three

748
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: or four places the people in the public's mind are

749
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: like in viable. And it's because it has the name

750
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: brand recognition. You'll Sandy Yellowstone, but you know, you're not

751
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: gonna people are gonna hang onto those. But I think

752
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: people need to realize the broader scales the American treasure.

753
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: I've never done this empirically and empirically like I've never

754
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: like actually look at it in a strict scientific way.

755
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 1: But I feel like if you look at the US,

756
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: how many people you have living here, so population density,

757
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: you look at our GNP, you know, and just like

758
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: the technology, the technological dances happier and stuff, there's no

759
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Speaker 1: way that any other country has is where we're at

760
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Speaker 1: in those things. That is where we're at with population densities,

761
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Speaker 1: where we're out of the economy, and that has the

762
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Speaker 1: treasures we have. The ecological treasures will be at you know,

763
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Speaker 1: there's no way we've done a fantastic job of of

764
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Speaker 1: blending the of blending the two things, of having it all,

765
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Speaker 1: you know. Um, So I don't want to say like,

766
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Speaker 1: I don't want to say it's all bad, but there

767
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: we've done a lot of great stuff. But yeah, I

768
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Speaker 1: worry all the time. And there's more good stuff we

769
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: could be doing. I think there's Morkan stuff we've been doing.

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Speaker 1: If again, if we just got comfortable with the idea

771
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Speaker 1: that some of this stuff that's gonna becomes convenient, you know, So,

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Speaker 1: what are the conservation or habitat issues or places at

773
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: risk that keep you up at night right now? Some

774
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Speaker 1: of the things that keep me up at night now,

775
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: in immediate sense, this idea was floating around, I'm sure

776
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: you've heard about it where some people are getting like

777
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 1: political traction by questioning the legitimacy of the federal government.

778
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Speaker 1: And as part of that, what they do is they

779
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: question the legitimacy of the federal government holding lands. It's like,

780
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: what's the government got on this land for anyway? You know?

781
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Speaker 1: And and part of the railing cries as joker in

782
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Speaker 1: Nevada who it was like grading his cattle um on

783
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: public lands without paying the public for use of their

784
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Speaker 1: cattle for the grading property, and then the good lands

785
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Speaker 1: wouldn't have done there him the grades his cattle and

786
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Speaker 1: if it wasn't owned by the public anyway, And he's like, well,

787
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Speaker 1: how should the government owned this land? I should need

788
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: to pay for us Like, dude, it would be another

789
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: guy owned it if they didn't own and he'd be

790
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: shooting your cattle right now. But anyhow, he kind of

791
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: became like, you know, he kind of became this this

792
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: railing cry not like a sort of a renewed rallying

793
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: cry for how the public shouldn't be able to own land.

794
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: You know, those the idea that you should that we

795
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Speaker 1: should start dumping off public ground, you know, er to

796
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: open it up for you know, dumping it off to

797
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: the states, and then the states would be able to

798
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Speaker 1: do whatever, sell it privately or do whatever they're gonna

799
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: do with it. Noles really hashed out yet, But that

800
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: to me right now keeps me up at night. Like

801
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: I'm talking to my brother. There's an area you know

802
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 1: near him, you know, Gallant National Forest. It's like, is there,

803
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: honestly a guy who drives by gown national forest and

804
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: he's like, Oh, I just wish that was privately owned.

805
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: You know, there must be there must be for what

806
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: for whatever reason? Yeah, you know that's a big issue

807
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: here right now. Is this like silly idea that we

808
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: shouldn't have that it's way full to have good land

809
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: open to the public. So I've been talking about this

810
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 1: issue a lot too with some people online and sharing

811
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: different articles about it and whatnot. And you know, most

812
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: of the talks right now have been about state governments

813
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: trying to reclaim control of the public lands from the

814
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: federal government. And then they're saying that the state government

815
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: could run it just as well. Um, Now I get

816
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: people commenting back saying, well, what's wrong with the state

817
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: government managing it? Why couldn't the state handle it just

818
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 1: as well. I've got a lot of opinions on that,

819
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: but I'm curious what your thoughts are on why is

820
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: that a bad idea? Because I believe in like I'm

821
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 1: an incrementalist, or I believe in incrementalism, Okay, I look

822
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: at small steps that to me paint a picture for

823
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: a broader trend. Okay, So when someone says, oh, we're

824
00:43:54,480 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: gonna ban certain kind of magazine for firearms. Okay, do

825
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 1: I really think that they really care is that much

826
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: about that type of magazine or are they using this

827
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: as an in road? You know, as someone who believes

828
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: in incrementalism, I know that they're doing things. They're picking

829
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: battles if they can win in order to whittle away

830
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: at the larger picture. When you have in California, like

831
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: we we're gonna ban mountain lion hunting with dogs, and

832
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: we'll get that passed. Okay, we got that passed. Next year,

833
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: we're gonna just ban. Now that we got the dogs

834
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: ain't taken care of, We're going to ban hunt mountain

835
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: lions at all. Okay, we got that taken care of.

836
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 1: Next step band hunting anything with dogs, get that taken

837
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: care of. Like that's how stuff moves, okay. And I

838
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: think it's always important when you care about something to

839
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: look at what are the private conversations that these people

840
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: are having, you know, what are the private conference when

841
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: they're sitting around drinking cocktails in private, the money that's

842
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: behind these kind of movements, What are they really shooting for?

843
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: I would argue that anti gun people are shooting for

844
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: a gun free country. They feel somehow that the country

845
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 1: better off if people weren't able to own guns. That's

846
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: what I think they're really after. Okay. I think that

847
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: the people in California who are back in these things

848
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: to banned little aspects of honey when they're sitting around

849
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: and having drinks together, I think what they're really after

850
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: is you shouldn't be able to hunt. Okay, the privatization thing,

851
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: I think it's coming out of this, just like this

852
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: condemnation in disrespect for federal land management. They're really coming

853
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: out of the thing where they're like saying, like everything

854
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: that Theodore Rules all stood for, I stand against. That's

855
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: what I think they'd like to see. Okay. So if

856
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: I'm in my mind, I want to head them off

857
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: at the past because I know what they're done and

858
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: for it. They're going for this idea that they want

859
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: to make a Unich out of federal land management because

860
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: they hate the idea that there's some stuff they just

861
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: can't do. There's some land they can graze, there's some

862
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: places they can't run four wheelers and drive them nuts.

863
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: And the most immediate quick step in the right direction

864
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: is to try to like the most quick immediate step

865
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: to get around regulation is trying to get it put

866
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: into a different situation, a different management strategy. If I

867
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: honestly thought that what the real goal here, The real

868
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: goal was to put things in the state management because

869
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: the states were going to manage it better and be

870
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: better apologists, then not be like, yeah, this is a

871
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: great move. But I just don't think that's what's going on. Yeah,

872
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: and I think there's a strong risk two of those states,

873
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: you know, looking at the economic value of that land

874
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: if they had control of it too, and then beginning

875
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: to lease it off or sell it off to the

876
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: highest better as well. Of course, man that that's like

877
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: I feel that that's like if you track down the

878
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: real money, the real money was pushing for this. You know,

879
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: there's people who got a gripe about something that they

880
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: wanted to do and they're not able to do it.

881
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: There was an instance where so when I think what's

882
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: going on in the Vada, I don't remember the guy's name.

883
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: He want to be a little bit crazy, and everybody

884
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: sort of distance themselves from him. But there's a thing

885
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: about at the same time where there's some BLM land

886
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: and they found an archaeological sight on the blm Land, Okay,

887
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: until they closed down the road in the canyon because

888
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 1: they wanted to do an excavation on this archaeological site

889
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: and the Indian camp, so they closed down the road.

890
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: So they didn't want to get to get driven on

891
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: because bunch guys show up down there on quad runners

892
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: and bust the gate open and just as a show

893
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: of force going there and ride all around on the

894
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: archaeological flight. But it's like, like, what the what are

895
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: really like? What really do you care about? You know?

896
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: What keeps that guy out at night? I don't know.

897
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: I just can't get into it. So all like so

898
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: much of these a little like flashpoints and stuff. I'm

899
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: just very suspicious of this whole thing, you know, I'm

900
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: very suspicious whole thing. And I'm suspicious as a people

901
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: who feel like they have something to gain from Yeah,

902
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: I think rightfully. So there's a lot to be suspicious

903
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 1: about there. But in a hundred years, in a hundred

904
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: years good wildlife habitat, there's probably gonna be the less

905
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 1: of it, you know, and we're going to be even

906
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: more glad that we hung onto it. And I don't care,

907
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: and I don't mean financially glad, spiritually, glad, whatever work

908
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 1: you want to put to it, emotionally, spiritually or whatever,

909
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna be very happy that we afforded some level

910
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: of protection for our hunting and fishing grounds. You know,

911
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: they're just really there's some good cases where we're making more,

912
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 1: but we're losing a lot more. Yeah, agree with that. Now,

913
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: I know you've got some time constraints, so I want

914
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: to try to try to wrap this up here pretty quick.

915
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: But one last question, I guess I know you have

916
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 1: an upcoming speaking engagement at the North American Deer Summit,

917
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: and you know the North American Deer Songs being put

918
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: on by the National Deer Lines, which really came out

919
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: of the fact that over recent years, you know, the

920
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: meal of your populations out west have been dropping for

921
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: quite a number, quite an amount of time now and

922
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: white tail populations in some areas recently are starting to

923
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: see that trend to um. So now we're bringing people

924
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: together and stakeholders to talk about what's going on here

925
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: from your perspective and from your experiences. What do you

926
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: think is going on here? And is there anything we

927
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: can do about it? You know? Man, like the thing

928
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: I follow most I grew up on white that I

929
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: grew over in Michigan. But um, I yeah, I love

930
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: mule deer man like the one am. I'd like to

931
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: get a big one off someday as a mulder if

932
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: I could, and I shot, I hunt a lot of

933
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: milder is my favorite thing to hunt with the older

934
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: and something had like to get it, just a giant

935
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: and hang on the wall and be like, there's a

936
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: giant mulder. Um, that's just like what I want. I

937
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 1: keep telling people. If I were get a big mulder,

938
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: I just could sell all my hunt equipment and quit

939
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: hunt and just sit around staring at rather than going on.

940
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: I'll stare at my big mulder, you know, after I've

941
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: eaten them. But the picture is so complicated about what's

942
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: going on with mulder where it certainly certainly has a

943
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: lot to do with habitat loss, sage flats, riparian areas. Um,

944
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: habitat fragmentation definitely has a lot to do with that.

945
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: Then might ask something do this having a lot of help,

946
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: it might have something to do it have a lot

947
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: having white tailed moon to some areas that we traditionally

948
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: haven't had white tails. Um, it might have something to

949
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: do with climate issues, droughts and certain areas black snowfall

950
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: um in the media sense winners that are too severe

951
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: that you get the wrong kind of winner in the

952
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: wrong kind of area that has mulder. They're already stressed,

953
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: and you also love the whole bunch of meldre um.

954
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: But I think that I would leave it up to

955
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: the professionals to untangle that web of things. But I

956
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: have a hard time picture. But if you knew the

957
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: absolute answer that it wouldn't have something to do with habitat,

958
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: you know, because they've always dealt the species is always

959
00:51:55,560 --> 00:52:01,240
Speaker 1: dealt with droughts, the species always dealt with severe winners.

960
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: But one thing they haven't dealt with is um fragmented habitat.

961
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,439
Speaker 1: You know, we used to not understand how much they move.

962
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: But there's some reason stuff. I'm sure you saw this,

963
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: or they discovered what wanted being the longest manual migration

964
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: and lower forty eight tradially the people say goes to

965
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 1: the anilop migration, realize that the longest animal migration lower

966
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: forty eight is a mule deer herd and whelming, yeah,

967
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: that has this mega truck. They make through all kinds

968
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: of obstacles, you know, and they had no idea that

969
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: that's what these deer were doing. You had individual deer moving,

970
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: you know, hundred miles whatever was every year on an

971
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: annual basis. And I think we just don't understand everything

972
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: that takes to maintain the older I don't think we

973
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: understand it what they really need and where are going

974
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: um and so I'm sure had to have something to

975
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: do with it. But but I'm not a biologist, man,

976
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not a biologist like I draw my

977
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: information from the same place everybody else does articles trying

978
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: to follow what's going on and trying to stay engaged.

979
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: I think the guys that the mules are federation are

980
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: probably out ahead of it as much as anybody, you know. Yeah,

981
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: I think it comes right comes back down to what

982
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: we've been talking about all the conservation. It's concerning to

983
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: me in a large term sense when you look at

984
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: mulder what's funny about mulders they think that, you know,

985
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: they think the mules here the vlarious guys, who's kind

986
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: of a lead onto the biologists. Uh, it's a very

987
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: spirited case that mudle here are are relatively new on

988
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: the landscape. That it was a hybridization event between black

989
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: hills and white tails somewhere around the Rocky Mountains. Lead

990
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: the mudle here since the place. Okay, so it's sort

991
00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: of like a brand new animal in the landscape. Um,

992
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: and it's funny. It's sad to see that they're on

993
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: their way down. But you look, there's haven't like they

994
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: haven't any like that long. White tails have been on

995
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: the ground for millions of years by like me, Like,

996
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've heard like three million years in

997
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: the southeast for white tails. There's survivors, you know. Um,

998
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: the mule there, man, it's like mule there are sort

999
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: of this little experiment. It's like this little sort of

1000
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: evolutionary experiment. And I hope they win. I love those things.

1001
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: But whoever it is fixing the problem, I can tell

1002
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: you one thing. If we decide to fix it, and

1003
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: I hope we do, it's probably gonna involve a little

1004
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 1: bit of inconvenience. Yeah. I comes back to your earlier

1005
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 1: point about the fact that a lot of these conservation

1006
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: winds are going to require that and you have to

1007
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: have that long gonna have that long term view. I know,

1008
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: and I know and if someone's gonna come and go like,

1009
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: oh yeah, mule deer contribute blank the economy and great.

1010
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, but I don't care. I mean, that's good.

1011
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: But if they call you comm me money, I still

1012
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: want to keep them. You know, well we are we

1013
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: are way over time, Steve, and I apologize real quick.

1014
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: I know you've got a new book coming out soon.

1015
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit about that? Yeah,

1016
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: so excuse me. Um. Yeah, So I have two new

1017
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: books going out. It's a two volume set, so it's

1018
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: called The Complete Guy to Hunting and Butchering and Cooking

1019
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: Wild Game. And I've been working at it for a

1020
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: few years with the guy who I worked with on

1021
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: the Met Show. We've been working out together and then

1022
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: some other folks been involved in it. There's nothing like

1023
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: There's nothing like it out there. I can tell you

1024
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 1: that it came into a lot of like it. It's

1025
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: gonna be a seven page book, so it's coming out

1026
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: on volume one and volume two. Volume one is Small Game,

1027
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,720
Speaker 1: Volume two is Big Game, and it covers everything from gear,

1028
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: species profiles, hunting strategies, hunting basics, how to find hunting lands,

1029
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: how to scout, how to shoot, how to Butcher and

1030
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: scand it's just like the complete the Hunting, Butcher and

1031
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: Cooking Wild Game Volumes one of buyums too. Volume one

1032
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: comes out this August. Um, people go on and pre order.

1033
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: You do me a huge favor if you go pre

1034
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: ordered um and then volume to will follow a couple

1035
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: months later, Small Game Bolume two will follow soon. Don't

1036
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: tell you that there is nothing like these on the marketplace,

1037
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: man Um. I got at in the wild getting into

1038
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: but not I've done. I mean, I'm it's just like

1039
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:30,959
Speaker 1: I'm really excited about these books, like they're they're they're

1040
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: they're cool and um and dozens and dozens of very

1041
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: accomplished owners of all contributed. There no how to make

1042
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: you know these books as good as they can be.

1043
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: So that's the thing I'm that's the thing got going

1044
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: on right now, man Um. Yeah, I hope people check

1045
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: it out. I think that people will be pretty excited

1046
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 1: when they see these books. We'll we'll make sure to

1047
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: link to that Amazon page that people can pre order

1048
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: to it, preorder it, and then uh, you know, you've

1049
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: got the podcast going on and your TV showing all

1050
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: those different things. If somebody wants to see all the

1051
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: different things you have going on right now online? Where

1052
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: can they go? Yeah, just go to the like so

1053
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: meat eater dot com, so not so the meat eater

1054
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: dot com and there you'll find links to the meat

1055
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: Eat podcast. You'll find links. Um. You can always check

1056
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: out the show on Sportsman Channel and we've been on

1057
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: sports and Channel for years. Hopefully we'll stay there for years. Um.

1058
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:27,439
Speaker 1: If not, go to meat Eater dot vh X dot

1059
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: tv and you can streaming download mediatre episode. But you'll

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Speaker 1: also find all that by going to the meat eater

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Speaker 1: dot com. And I'm on Twitter at Stephen Roannella. But

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Speaker 1: the best place is just hit the website, the mediator

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Speaker 1: dot com or check us out on Facebook, um, Steam

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Speaker 1: ronell need you and you'll find it on Facebook, and

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Speaker 1: then you'll see all the whole you know, all the

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Speaker 1: all the all the inner workings and all the outputtings

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Speaker 1: of our organizations. So but thank you for having Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is a good conversation, something I like to talk

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Speaker 1: about and something I care about a great deal, So

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it's the disgust of stuff with you. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: it's been It's been great chatting and for everyone listening,

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Speaker 1: you know, take Stephen up on what he just said there.

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Speaker 1: Check out the website, check out his books. He has

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Speaker 1: three really good books out there right now. His show

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Speaker 1: is incredible. The podcast is one of the best out there,

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Speaker 1: so be sure to visit the show notes page for

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Speaker 1: this podcast will link to all that stuff. And Stephen,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. Hey man, thanks

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Speaker 1: for me all right, Well, that is going to do

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Speaker 1: it for us today on the Weird Hunt podcast. And

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Speaker 1: that was a pretty interesting conversation, wasn't it. That said,

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Speaker 1: for the show notes I mentioned just a second ago,

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Speaker 1: visit wired to Hunt dot com slash episode fifty four.

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Speaker 1: We'll have links to all things that Steven mentioned. And

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Speaker 1: as always, if you've been enjoying the show, please take

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Speaker 1: a quick few seconds to leave us a rating or

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Speaker 1: review on iTunes. It's a huge help, so thank you

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Speaker 1: speaking thanks as always, we also like to thank our

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Speaker 1: partners who helped make the Wired Hunt podcast possible. So

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Speaker 1: big thank you to Sick Gear, Trophy, Ridge Bear Archery,

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Speaker 1: Redneck Blinds, Hunt Terror Maps, Osonics, Carbon Express, Lacrosse Boots,

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Speaker 1: and the White Tailed Institute of North America. And finally,

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Speaker 1: thank you to all of you listening in today. If

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Speaker 1: you're new to the show, welcome, and if you're a

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Speaker 1: longtime listener, thanks for sticking with us. I hope this

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Speaker 1: episode inspired you to think just a little bit more

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Speaker 1: about a responsibility as conservationists, and maybe it's even got

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Speaker 1: you thinking about ways you might be able to make

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Speaker 1: a personal difference. I know it's certainly got me thinking

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Speaker 1: about that. So with all that said, have a great week,

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Speaker 1: enjoy the great outdoors, and stay wired to hunt.