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Speaker 1: Another week of of Corona, Sports Free Football, well, Sports

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Speaker 1: Free World. And ordinarily I'm not the guy who likes

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Speaker 1: and has frozen all athletics spending, hiring and raises, according

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Speaker 1: to an internal memo obtained by USA Today Sports. So, um,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess this says that a variety of administrative, operational, sport, program,

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Speaker 1: scholarship and compensation areas will all see cuts for thee

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Speaker 1: fiscal year. And that's I mean, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: they were just depending on University of Arizona to make

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Speaker 1: the tournament. I don't know if that was their big

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Speaker 1: thing or if this also falls in line with the

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Speaker 1: fact that University of Arizona had to pay six point

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Speaker 1: three million dollars to have rich Rod go away. UM.

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Speaker 1: But this is you know that if University of Arizona

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Speaker 1: is maybe the first domino to fall, I know, the

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Speaker 1: University of Cincinnati UM cut soccer, so that was the

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Speaker 1: first major Yeah, So I don't know, I think we

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Speaker 1: might What what they might end up doing is just

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Speaker 1: taking a year off. I think that that would be

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Speaker 1: more feasible than moving the entire calendar, to be honest,

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Speaker 1: maybe playing some showcase games uh in place. How does

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Speaker 1: that work though? I mean, like if you take an

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Speaker 1: entire year off, you throw off scholarship numbers. Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: for the for so that that so then you're adding

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Speaker 1: another twenty five kids the next year who essentially probably

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Speaker 1: have to red shirt. I mean how did how does

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Speaker 1: that work? So you already get five scholarships, so now

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Speaker 1: you get a D ten. Yeah. I think what you

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Speaker 1: might have to do is you might have to bring

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Speaker 1: back that old rule where freshmen don't play UM and

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Speaker 1: and and maybe maybe even for a two year per George,

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Speaker 1: until it all gets sorted out, and just say that,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna put things on pause for a year.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna come back. We're gonna elevate the scholarship count

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Speaker 1: UM and freshman. You know, you don't have to you

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Speaker 1: can be here, you can be on campus. UM, maybe

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Speaker 1: you don't even have to enroll in school. Maybe you

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Speaker 1: can just train and so maybe the school saves a

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Speaker 1: little bit of money, of of money, not that it

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Speaker 1: really costs them anything. You and I know that to

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Speaker 1: educate the kids, but like you know, they might just

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Speaker 1: have to go back to a mandatory red shirt rule.

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Speaker 1: What I worry about is you might see Group of

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Speaker 1: five football be just crippled by this. I would. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there were some programs that were barely hanging on. University

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Speaker 1: of Alabama, Birmingham just came back from canceling their football

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Speaker 1: program outright, and and I think that maybe some lessons

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Speaker 1: need to be learned here. And I know that the

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Speaker 1: Pac twelve did have a rainy day fund and they're

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Speaker 1: probably gonna have to tap into it if football is

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Speaker 1: not able to go as planned in UM in early August.

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Speaker 1: But I will say this, maybe we need to change

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Speaker 1: some of the rules for these universities that they're able

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Speaker 1: to stockpile away some of this enormous amount of cash

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Speaker 1: that they're bringing in, because all we have is this

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Speaker 1: incentive for schools to keep escalating the amount of revenue

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Speaker 1: that they bring in. But you have to be cost neutral,

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Speaker 1: So then you have to account for every single dollar

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Speaker 1: that you have that that you bring in that isn't

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Speaker 1: through a fundraising source. You have to account for all

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Speaker 1: that money by turning around and spending it, which means, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it just inflates, inflates and inflates, and then all of

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Speaker 1: the sudden, the fact that you were spending ten million

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Speaker 1: dollars a year at some printer uh that is owned

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Speaker 1: by a booster by the way, probably um, that money

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Speaker 1: just dries up and then that business gets screwed over,

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Speaker 1: uh when you didn't need all of that business and

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Speaker 1: you didn't need to be spending all that money anyway.

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Speaker 1: But the rules are the rules. You can't stockpile that

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Speaker 1: cash away for a rainy day. So I think maybe

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of things that need to be revisited,

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Speaker 1: just in the wake of everything that's going on here.

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Speaker 1: But I know that I'm I personally. If this is

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Speaker 1: still going on and they decided to have football, I

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Speaker 1: will be covering games from home. I won't be going

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Speaker 1: to any games. I'm one of those people that's stuck

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Speaker 1: until this virus has run its course. I'm stuck. My

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Speaker 1: wife and I made a decision at some point, and

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Speaker 1: and that's all these all come down to, right, They

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Speaker 1: all come down to what are usually harmless decisions, having

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Speaker 1: consequences that they don't normally have. And we have to

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Speaker 1: make a decision as Americans of whether or not we're

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Speaker 1: going to make some sacrifices for the benefit of the herd.

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Speaker 1: And when when my wife and I had our fourth child,

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Speaker 1: our daughter, Uh, we did something, whether it was not

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Speaker 1: washing our hands as much as we should have, whether

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Speaker 1: it was leaving the house when when um, when, maybe

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Speaker 1: we shouldn't have. But our daughter contracted rhinovirus, which is

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Speaker 1: basically just a common cold at thirteen days old. She

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Speaker 1: quit breathing, her heart stopped beating, and she was clinically

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Speaker 1: dead for like ten to fifteen minutes. They had to

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Speaker 1: bring her back to life, and we lived in a

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Speaker 1: hospital for a month and and miraculously she was on

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Speaker 1: life support for a long time, but she recovered, She

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Speaker 1: recovered all cognitive ability. We had to do a year

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Speaker 1: and a half of physical therapy before she ever learned

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Speaker 1: to walk. But she is now in gymnastics and we've

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Speaker 1: had an incredible recovery. But we it's still very fresh

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Speaker 1: in our minds what could happen if somebody was a

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Speaker 1: compromised immune system like our daughter, And we don't know

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Speaker 1: what she can and can't handle, But we can't go

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Speaker 1: out in this and bring it home and test whether

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Speaker 1: or not she's strong enough. Even though she's a kid,

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Speaker 1: and even though this virus doesn't seem to be um

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Speaker 1: you know, uh, very intense for the the younger populace.

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Speaker 1: But we can't chance it right we because we already

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Speaker 1: lived this. So I'm already in a situation where I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm locked down regardless, And I think some other people

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Speaker 1: who have maybe been in our shoes or our immunity

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Speaker 1: compromise will be making some of those same decisions. And

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Speaker 1: it just comes down to who you have in positions

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Speaker 1: of leadership and what do they believe is the pertinent

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Speaker 1: thing to do? Are do we have more leaders that

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Speaker 1: are in the Gavin Newsome Abundance of Caution camp, or

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Speaker 1: do we have more leaders in the we need to

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Speaker 1: run money through the state camp like Mike Gundy and

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Speaker 1: and even somebody like me who lived through the absolute

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Speaker 1: hell of a virus, you know, robbing us almost robbing

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Speaker 1: us of a loved one. Uh. I can see valid

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Speaker 1: points on both sides of this. I absolutely can. The economy,

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Speaker 1: you know, there are a lot people who depend on

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Speaker 1: sports to be able to make a living, and and

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Speaker 1: and might not necessary. I honestly, I've been at this

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Speaker 1: racket for uh, this is my ninth year. George. I'm

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Speaker 1: not even sure what else I could or would want

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Speaker 1: to do if sports is gone. And I'm sure you

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Speaker 1: and I could always find something to talk about. But

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Speaker 1: if sports is gone and I don't have these activities

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Speaker 1: to do, you know, I I at least I've got

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Speaker 1: a couple of degrees. I can make my way back

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Speaker 1: into the job market. But there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: other people who aren't, who don't have that training, and

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of people flocking to very

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Speaker 1: few jobs, and it's gonna be really intense. We're already

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Speaker 1: in a bad situation as far as the economy and

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Speaker 1: what's going to be happening in the next couple of months.

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Speaker 1: So there might be people that say, hey, it's worth

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Speaker 1: the sacrifice. We're all going back to work. If you

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Speaker 1: can't be out here, stay your ass home. And I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna have to be in the stay your ass home category,

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Speaker 1: But I would understand everybody else who did not. At

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Speaker 1: the same time, we might have leaders who say, hey,

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Speaker 1: the lives of point zero three of our population are

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Speaker 1: worth this shutdown. And I firmly believe that, you know,

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Speaker 1: human life's most precious thing in the entire world, and

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Speaker 1: I would totally understand if we went that direction as well.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know. It just depends on who's in charge.

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Speaker 1: Is the problem is is that is that there's so

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Speaker 1: much that we don't know. And yes, it would be

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Speaker 1: like just heartbreaking, honestly for for me not to be

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Speaker 1: able to see college football in the fall. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know how we how we have another solution because

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Speaker 1: I can't reconcile me going to games. My my my

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Speaker 1: mom's a cancer survivor, I'm around her all the time.

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Speaker 1: I can't reconcile going to games, covering games, whether I'm broadcasting,

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Speaker 1: doing attending games, even and knowing that I could come

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Speaker 1: back hug hug my mom, give her a kiss, or

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Speaker 1: even be around her, and that could do do her in.

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Speaker 1: How about No, I mean like there's not enough. As

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Speaker 1: much as I love it, I wouldn't trade that, Like

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't trade the whole season for that. Hell no,

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Speaker 1: absolutely not. Uh. But the conference, though, I think it

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Speaker 1: does have to be concerned about, like we talked about

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Speaker 1: in the last podcast, about what it does when football

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Speaker 1: actually does come back, If it does come back in

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Speaker 1: the fall, the conference needs to be prepared to make

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Speaker 1: a splash because it's last in out of all the

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Speaker 1: Power fives in revenue generated, so it does have an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to especially if there if the games are played

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Speaker 1: without fans. Now you have an opportunity to come up

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Speaker 1: with something creative and financially lucrative that can make up

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Speaker 1: some of that shortfall because if the other teams can't

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Speaker 1: get get fans and mind you pack twelve stadiums are

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Speaker 1: some of the smallest stadiums, like you got Washington State,

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Speaker 1: Oregon State, Oregon, Arizona, who all don't play in big stadiums,

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Speaker 1: and then Stanford's never full. So so basically you have

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Speaker 1: five teams who play in small stadiums, and and and

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Speaker 1: then you have UM and then you and yeah, so

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Speaker 1: that's already an issue. And then you look at the

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Speaker 1: other schools, like the SEC schools, Big ten all this,

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Speaker 1: some of them have a hundred thousand, eight ninety every

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Speaker 1: single week sold out in Nebraska all of that. So

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Speaker 1: now if they're stadiums are empty, you can make up

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Speaker 1: revenue with something creative, and the conference needs to do that.

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Speaker 1: And John Wilner proposed a ridiculous idea of adding Bill

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Speaker 1: Walton to the college football broadcast, asked of the PAC twelve,

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Speaker 1: where do you stand on that? Ralph? I just I

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Speaker 1: gotta be simple with it, man, I gotta do the

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Speaker 1: Randy jacksonthing and just say like that's a no for me.

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Speaker 1: Dog like this, it is not for me, you know.

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Speaker 1: I did you see Uncut Jams? George? Yes? M did

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Speaker 1: you enjoy Is it possible to have enjoyed it? I

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Speaker 1: respect it, but I did not enjoy it. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that movie was made for entertainment purposes. I think

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Speaker 1: it was made for artistic purposes, right, Like that was

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Speaker 1: an anxiety riddled I like stuff like that. It was

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Speaker 1: because it doesn't bother me because I'm not the person

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Speaker 1: going going through it. The movie that bothered me more

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Speaker 1: than anything from last year or recently was Marriage Story.

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Speaker 1: I could. I couldn't even finish the damn movie. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I get that, but it's just I can't. I

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00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 1: I can't do it. I can't do. But Bill Walton

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00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: with basketball, I can. You know, every once in a

627
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: while it's fun to fire off a tweet of something

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Speaker 1: that he said and have it blow up because nobody

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Speaker 1: can believe some of the rants that he goes on

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Speaker 1: or whatever. I'm also a huge Dave Pash fan. My

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Speaker 1: wife used to babysit his kids. Like I love the

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Speaker 1: way that he handles being with Bill Walton. And then

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Speaker 1: he turns around and calls football games with somebody who

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Speaker 1: is the exact same person in uh in Ron Wolfley,

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Speaker 1: former NFL fullback who has this giant personality. Uh and

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00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: and he's just Dave past is able to work with anyone.

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Speaker 1: And so sometimes I'll watch the broadcast, yeah exactly, And

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Speaker 1: so I'll watch the broadcast and I and I respect

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Speaker 1: what's going on, but it's not entertaining to me. I

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Speaker 1: don't enjoy it. If I'm watching Pack twelve basketball, it's

641
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: so that I can talk to you about it. It's

642
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: for my job. I don't need whatever is going on

643
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: on the TV. And often I end up muting it.

644
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: If he was there talking about football and it was

645
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: some nine, wouldn't be talking about football, that's the thing. No,

646
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: he barely talks about basketball, which is crazy because the

647
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: dude knows more about basketball than people who had a

648
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: career in basketball. Right, he's best college basketball player of

649
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: all time. Yeah, and at least in the top three.

650
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: And he's incredibly knowledgeable and he loves the game. But

651
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: also his stick is just out there. Right, it's just

652
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: of a guy who is watching Bill Walton on a broadcast.

653
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: Is like being in the middle seat in the in

654
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: the in the shagg and wagon and dumb and dumber.

655
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: When Harry and Lloyd are singing the mocking Bird song,

656
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: that's what it's like, Like we're getting where we need

657
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: to go, like we're having we're making progress. But dude,

658
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: shut up. Please. Second, do you want to hear the

659
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: most annoying sound in the world. Yes, yes, that's a

660
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: and so if that happened in football, it's already hard enough.

661
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: It's already hard enough for me to watch cal Colorado

662
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: at nine pm on a Thursday. If Bill Walton was

663
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: on that broadcast, I would struggle. Dude, this, this is

664
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: so what. Wilner always has great ideas and points out

665
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: the bad ideas that the Back twelve has. But this

666
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: one's a terrible idea because, first of all, Bill Walton

667
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: he does games on ESPN, and if you look at

668
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: Twitter when he's calling games, it is a nightmare. And

669
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: the I mean it is just a dumpster fire of

670
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: tweets and if one in every ten is like Bill

671
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: Walton is a national treasure, and I'm like, well, I

672
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: don't disagree, but it's never And then you click on

673
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: the profile of whoever tweet did that. It's never somebody

674
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: from inside the pactwel footprint. It's somebody who's experiencing him

675
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: the once a month that they see him on a

676
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: national ESPN broadcast. Well, Pack twelve fans are always like,

677
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: oh my god, make it stop. Who turns? I mean true, truthfully,

678
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: how many people do you think that they tune into

679
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: a game and they're like, oh, yeah, have built or

680
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: or or they're going to subscribe to Pack twelve network

681
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: because mind you, Bill Walton's a big ticket. That means

682
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: he comes with a probably a two common dollar sign,

683
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 1: So you're gonna pay him an exorbitant amount of money

684
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: to come over to the Pac twelve network, to your

685
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: eighteen million household footprint, your teeny tiny footprint. And is

686
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: he supposed to bring people? He's not a draw. I

687
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: mean like like, yes, Bill Walton is recognizable. He's going

688
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: to if people are watching, people are going to engage

689
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: with your program, but they are not going to like

690
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 1: nobody shows up and it's like oh oh wow wow.

691
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: I mean he's not Joe Buck, He's not um, you know,

692
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 1: uh Stewart Scott, He's not you know any of these

693
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: other Like he's not Gus Johnson, he's not Bill Rafferty.

694
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: Like if Bill Rafferty is on the game, I enjoy it,

695
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: like get those puppies organized onions, like I feel like

696
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: I learned something when I'm watching the game. I don't

697
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: think anybody tunes in for the broadcasters. I mean, am

698
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: I wrong here? I mean as a broadcaster myself who

699
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: does games, I don't think anybody tunes in because I'm

700
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: doing it. Yeah, And I saw John Kanzano said, you know,

701
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 1: Bill Walton on college football for the Pact twelve network.

702
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: It would be outside the box and entertaining a f

703
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 1: But given that the network is quietly cost cutting, like man,

704
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: I wonder if the well compensated executive team would go

705
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: for it. And I just want to say this, Okay,

706
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: So if if John Kanzano thinks that Bill Walton would

707
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: be would be entertaining, dude. I was in a press

708
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: box one time with John where a a student journalist

709
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: was telling me a story about a high school football

710
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: game that he got to cover, and John freaked out

711
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: because he was supposed to be working. I feel how

712
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: John felt in that moment. I feel exactly I felt

713
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: how John felt in that moment when I'm supposed to

714
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: be working covering a game and I'm listening to Bill

715
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: Walton talk about the thirty sixth time he saw Grateful

716
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: Dead back in nineteen eighty whatever, and it's it's just like, dude,

717
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: I need to focus on this game. I I don't

718
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: think John Kanzano is out at the games. He doesn't

719
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: have to watch the brodect, he doesn't have to watch it.

720
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: I I go home and I watch every single one

721
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: of these games so that I can get on here

722
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: and maybe sound like I know what I'm talking about.

723
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 1: I'm not competitive, though, but I just I can't take it, Dude,

724
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: I can I don't think I could I do I

725
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 1: honestly don't think I could do it. I really don't

726
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: like he Bill. Bill Walton is best enjoyed in small quantities.

727
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: I think we can both agree on that. Um. On

728
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: another note though, on a football note, especially cal foot Um. Well, Cal,

729
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: they got a new quarterback commit right, Um. I know

730
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: that they were after Miller Moss from Alamaney. They were

731
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: after some some other kids, but that's not who they

732
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: ended up with. Who did they end up with? Ralph Oh? Okay? Yeah,

733
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: So Cal got Kai Milliner out of Higley High School.

734
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 1: He's somebody I got to watch play I think three

735
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 1: times last year, including in a game against Miller Moss

736
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: and Bishop Alamani in the first high school game of

737
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: the season. Uh. He is the He goes to Higley

738
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: High School in Gilbert, Arizona, and ironically enough, that is

739
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: where Cal got their last quarterback from the state of Arizona.

740
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: Uh In Spencer Brash, who actually had to play against

741
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: Utah last year, and no freshman quarterback should ever have

742
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: to play against that twenty nineteen Utah defense. They did

743
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: some really bad things to some young quarterbacks last year,

744
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: including Jadeen Daniels and so. But they dip into the

745
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: same public high school in Arizona two out of three

746
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: years to get these quarterbacks. And I think a really

747
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: big part of it, and and this is like their

748
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: twelfth or thirteen guy from Arizona in the last three

749
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: years that they've got to commit to their school is

750
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: they have a tight ends coach out there and Charlie Regel,

751
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: who was in Arizona High school football coach, and he

752
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: just keeps a real close on everything that goes on

753
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: out here. And there's a huge population boom, so you've

754
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: got a lot of really good players and for some reason,

755
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: Arizona quarterbacks are blowing up. You see, Oregon got Ty

756
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: Thompson to commit UH from a school that's just a

757
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: couple of miles away from where Kai Milliner is coming from.

758
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 1: And um Kai Milliner is very similar to Spencer Brash.

759
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: They're both athletes, both around six three, a little bit skinnier.

760
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: I think probably more designed for the run and shoot

761
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: or the spread option. UM. As much as he is athletic,

762
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: he would rather pass than run. He's definitely gonna need

763
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: to put some weight on. And I would say that

764
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: it's a good get for cal if they can plan

765
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: on him spending a couple of years as a backup.

766
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: Unless I see massive strides from Kai as a senior.

767
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a come in and play as

768
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: a freshman guy. UM, but there is a lot of

769
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: I guess you just never know with the way that

770
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: people transfer in and out and injuries and all that,

771
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: and so no, they they do not have that need. Um,

772
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: but I do think, uh, they they've got a lot

773
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: of depth just with what they have at quarterback now

774
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: and with what they're bringing in, and I think they're

775
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 1: doing a really good job. I would say I would

776
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: put him on the level of of all the quarterbacks

777
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: that are going to commit to Pack twelve schools. I

778
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: would give this one, you know, a solid be you know,

779
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 1: it's not a game changer. Um. If you had to

780
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 1: compare him to anybody, he's a he's got a He's

781
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: a little bit like Manny Wilkins in that he's a

782
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: little more thin. He's medium sized, He's got the deep ball,

783
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: but it's all gonna come down to whether or not

784
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 1: he can put it together and how he handles pressure.

785
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: And in a couple of aimes I watched last year

786
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: with him, it was uh that pressure was his downfall

787
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: a little bit. And now Bishop Allamany is is an

788
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: incredible football program. I'm just absolutely in love with everything

789
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: that coach Clawson is doing out there. Um And and

790
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: that was his first start, and so you know, I

791
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: could see why he was a little bit shaky. But

792
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: I also watched him go head to head um later

793
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: in the season with another Division one level quarterback called

794
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: named Will Haskell, and he really got the better of

795
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: him and he looked really good. So he's progressing. And

796
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: if he has a big senior year that I think

797
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 1: Cal football fans should get really excited. But as of

798
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: right now, if you're a Cal fan, this is a

799
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: very early commitment from somebody who who has a lot

800
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: of growing to do, So pay attention and I'll make

801
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: sure to get Cal fans as many updates as I

802
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: can because you know, and and what we'll interview him

803
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: to he's a friend of the program. He's a good

804
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: kid and somebody I've interviewed and watch play a lot.

805
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: And well, we'll get him on the podcast and find

806
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: out what his goals are for the upcoming season, assuming

807
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: there is one that sounds a lot like cal Fans

808
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: better hope Chase Garber's stays stays healthy. You push that,

809
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: you push that narrative before last season started. You to

810
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: the point where I ended up jumping on board with it,

811
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: and you could not have been more right. He is.

812
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: I mean, everything is dependent on him. I like Spencer

813
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: Rash too, He's you know, he's somebody who I've had

814
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: a chance to watch a whole bunch down here, and

815
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: I wish him nothing but success. He's a fantastic athlete.

816
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: But Chase Garber's attitude, the way that he goes out

817
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 1: there and gets it. Um uh, they need him. He's

818
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: the heart and soul of that offense. Yeah, I mean,

819
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: the the whole team is better. I mean they were

820
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: undefeated with games that he started and finished. I think

821
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: they finished with six and oh with games they he

822
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: started and finished. So yeah, so he's a quality He's

823
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: a quality quarterback, and I think that you know that

824
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 1: the sky is the limit for for him and that

825
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: Cow Cow team. But the but it is Arizona who

826
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: I think the state of Arizona, which I think is

827
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: surprising a lot of people right now because their quarterbacks

828
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: are dominating the Pack twelve right right now, Arizona quarterbacks

829
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: or are just literally just just littered all over the

830
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: Pack twelve and their their trainers out there all of that.

831
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: Is this something in the water? Is it just or

832
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: is this kind of a cyclical thing? Do you think

833
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 1: where they're getting a lot of quarterbacks out well, one,

834
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 1: you can train year round. Two, we are one giant suburb,

835
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: and so you know we've got we've got we got

836
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: a lot of upper middle class families out here who

837
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: because you can train year round, and we got a

838
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: youth football programs all over the place. You know, these

839
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: quarterback coaches who were out here, Rudy Carpenter, Mike Givendo,

840
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 1: Dennis s Guyle, Damn Nucci, they get ahold of some

841
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: of these kids when they're eight years old. They train

842
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: them all the way up through and so I know

843
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: these kids names by the time they are thirteen years old.

844
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: That's what's absurd. I I I was told that Spencer

845
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: Rattler was going to be the next big thing when

846
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: he was in eighth grade. And I went out and

847
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: watched him before his ninth grade year, and and he

848
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: he looked as polished as some of the elite level

849
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: seniors that we're out playing in Arizona high school football.

850
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: And now he's probably set to possibly take over the

851
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: starting job out at University of Oklahoma as a red

852
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: shirt freshman, and so, you know, and that's just that,

853
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: that's just kind of the way things are out here.

854
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: But you I, I it makes me want to say, well,

855
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: things should be kind of the same in California because

856
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: you have similar circumstances out there, and I think per capita,

857
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: Arizona is putting a lot more out but you're still

858
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: seeing a ton of quarterbacks come from the state of California.

859
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: So I think it's it's enough to be to raise

860
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: an eyebrow at when you see all these quarterbacks coming

861
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 1: out of Arizona. But I would still say that it's

862
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 1: it's just the number three producer to me. And you

863
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: can make an argument that Florida is up there as well,

864
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: but really, quarterbacks, the quarterback factories are still Texas and

865
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: California and Arizona is just really making a hard charge

866
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: and knocking on the door. And you know, you you've

867
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: had quarterbacks from Arizona on Washington's roster, Washington State's roster.

868
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: Pretty much every team I think in the Pac twelve

869
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: has had a quarterback from Arizona on the roster or

870
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: as a starter in the last ten years, except for Stanford.

871
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: I believe some of them have been pretty good. I

872
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: mean Brett Hunley and and guys like that. So, you know,

873
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: it's it will be very very interesting to see if

874
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: that continues. Maybe it's possible Utah didn't have a didn't

875
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: have an Arizona quarterback, so maybe everybody outside of Utah

876
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: and Stanford, but I mean everybody else has had I

877
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: think multiple you know, so that's it's really a s

878
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: U is a s U is the one school. Arizona

879
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: State's the one school that I don't think it's how

880
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: a local guys start a game, um, which is yeah, yeah,

881
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: but kids want to leave, right they all want to

882
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: leave home. So I think that's that's a big part

883
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: of it. Um. When we were talking about the Pack

884
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: twelve even earlier, um, we and and you brought up

885
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: coaches getting fired too early when we were talking or

886
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: them having to pay buy out all of that when

887
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: we were talking about Mr Mike Gundy over at Oklahoma

888
00:53:55,880 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: State and the UM out of in the past fifteen

889
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: years in college football, there have been over of the

890
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: Power five conferences, fifty two schools that were part of

891
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: these survey because obviously they can't do the private schools

892
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 1: because they don't have to release their finances, and all

893
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: of that UM five hundred million dollars worth of buyouts

894
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: paid five hundred million dollars well almost four d million,

895
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 1: and at seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars per school

896
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 1: per season. And I just found that just like so

897
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: crazy that that out of that the school the conferences

898
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: generating the least revenue now at this point is the

899
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: Back twelve and they have paid over a hundred million

900
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: dollars in buyouts in the last in in the last

901
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: fifteen years. And the biggest culprits of that are eras

902
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 1: on A State and you see l A. They've Arizona

903
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: State to twenty two point three u CE. L A

904
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 1: is at twenty three point six. Like if I had

905
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: told you that, Ralph, would you had known that already.

906
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think I just would have

907
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: assumed that everybody was as financially irresponsible as Back twelve

908
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: schools were. But to to find out that nine per

909
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: cent of that five million dollar number comes from two schools, Oh,

910
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: that's rough, right, I mean, especially because you can make

911
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: the argument that those two schools, at least with their

912
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: last move, may not be in a better place than

913
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: they were. You know, Jim Morrow was definitely recruiting better

914
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: than Chip Kelly, and he certainly was winning more. And

915
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: I feel like Arizona State really has the juice, like

916
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: big time, but the results aren't I mean, they're they're

917
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: not even matching what Todd Graham was able to do

918
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 1: in his first two years at Arizona State. And then

919
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: you got the six point three million the University of

920
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: Arizona gave rich Rod to go away, and they bring

921
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: in Kevin, someone who is struggling like Joe Namath pronunciation

922
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: of struggling. That's that's what's going on down there. So

923
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I remember interviewing Todd Graham one time,

924
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: and I don't remember what year it was, but it

925
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: was at Pack twelve media day and it might have

926
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: been the year before his final year, and somebody asked

927
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: him the question of do you think you're on the

928
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: hot seat? And he looked over at the s I D.

929
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,439
Speaker 1: And he said, and I don't know why he looked

930
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: over at the s I D. But I'll never forget it.

931
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: He looked over and he said, I think and I

932
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: have to probably check with my agent on this, but

933
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 1: I think I got a pretty good contract. So I

934
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: feel really good about you know, what happens regardless. And

935
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: I was like, why would he mention his contract? Come

936
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: to find out that Arizona State didn't even have the

937
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: ability to have anybody else absorbed any piece of his salary. So,

938
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: let's say Arizona State had fired Todd Graham and some

939
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: school had picked him up and wanted to pay him

940
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: two million a year, Arizona State would still be on

941
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: the hook for all twelve million. What so they didn't

942
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: have an offset? No? Oh yeah, So he thought he

943
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: was sitting pretty Yeah. So he was like, we're going regardless,

944
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,439
Speaker 1: I'm good. And maybe that's why there wasn't a ton

945
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: of of incentive for him to go out and get

946
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: a job. Um, and part, you know, part of it

947
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: just could have been his personality or the fact that

948
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: people hate firing our people hate hiring people who were

949
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: just fired by somebody else. You know, nobody wants somebody

950
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: else's garbage or whatever. Um, but he's he's still pretty

951
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: good football coach. And he went two years before going

952
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: out and taking the Hawaii job, and and and he's

953
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: still getting a healthy salary from Arizona State. You know. Meanwhile,

954
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: they've in about twenty two twenty three million in buyouts,

955
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: and so is u c l A over their last

956
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: three firings. And where are they at for all of those?

957
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: You know, I was on the state as far Cutter,

958
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: Dennis Ericson, and Ty Graham all in the last fifteen years.

959
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: And u c l A as fired Carl Darell, Rick

960
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: new Heisel, and Jim Mora all in the last fifteen years.

961
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: And that's one of those things. And you and I

962
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: have always mentioned that this is obviously a bubble, not

963
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: just the expenditures of college football but coaching salaries, because

964
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: if you looked at UM I think I did this

965
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: one time, it was like nineteen nineteen or something like that. UM,

966
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: that the salaries increased such that if you continued the

967
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: pace of the highest paid college football coach over that

968
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: twenty year period, and you projected it out another twenty

969
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: years that by the time we got to seven or

970
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: something like that, the highest paid coach in college football

971
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: would be making fifty seven million million dollars a year. Yeah,

972
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: and that's because, Yeah, Steve Spurrier was like the first

973
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: million dollar coach and that was back in that's back

974
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: when you were playing. There's only a couple of head

975
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: coaches that we're making over a million dollars a year.

976
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: And now we've got something like fifty assistants who make

977
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: at least a million and Nick Saban who takes home

978
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: like eleven million plus they bought his house yep, and

979
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: and they paid the property taxes on it to f

980
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: y I mean, it's just it's just flab it's flabbergasting.

981
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: But the the the thing about the college see, I

982
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: think that there's a bubble on college football coach salaries,

983
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: but I also think that that that the biggest issue,

984
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: not only the salaries, is the fact that they get

985
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: um that all these buyouts are generated from early extensions

986
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: because they give these coaches these tensions way before they're

987
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: they're even necessary. They're trying to keep them away from

988
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: other schools, but that doesn't work. They're still gonna leave anyway.

989
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: And that that is the biggest Uh, that's the biggest

990
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: con and you, you and I have always known that

991
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,479
Speaker 1: that was a keeping up with the Jones move. Every

992
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: time somebody has three years left on their contract, you

993
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: have to go and give them a fourth year for

994
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: quote unquote recruiting purposes. But the average tenure of a

995
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: coach at any university is less than four years. So

996
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: what are you doing giving them that money that you're

997
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: gonna have to find a way to pay them when

998
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: you fire them because they don't meet expectations or they

999
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: end up leaving and that contract ends up being meaningless anyway.

1000
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: So that part of it drives me nuts. I'm not

1001
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: saying that it should be year to year, but I'm

1002
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: saying you should sign your contract, and you should coach

1003
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: out your contract, and then you should negotiate your worth,

1004
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,479
Speaker 1: you know, the way that players do. See I don't.

1005
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily agree with that. I don't believe that

1006
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: you should always wait till your contract is done because

1007
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: a year out a year out like they do in

1008
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: basketball and football when you become eligible to resign. Yeah,

1009
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: I'm waiting. I'm not signing signing a coach to a

1010
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: big long extension until he has proven results like and

1011
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: not just one season. Because as as as I always say,

1012
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: if you do it once, it's it's an accident. If

1013
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: you do it twice, you know how to do it,

1014
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: so you know you're not given. You would not have

1015
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: given Mel Tucker six and a half million dollars for

1016
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: his assistant pool after one five and seven year in

1017
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: the Rocky Mountain West. Correct, Nope, not not happening. I

1018
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: mean and and the same thing is true of Mr

1019
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 1: Rolled the boat Man at Minnesota. He had p J. Fleck,

1020
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: he did have um success in Central Michigan and no

1021
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 1: sorry Western, what was it Western or Central? Either away?

1022
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: And then he went over to to Minnesota had had

1023
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: a good year with without players that he he didn't

1024
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: even recruit those players. So I'm wondering, is that a

1025
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: blip on the radar or does he know what he's doing?

1026
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer that. Yeah, I mean I

1027
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: never know what they're doing. Look at if you look

1028
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: at Arizona State, who who is responsible for? You know

1029
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: what four and a half percent of the five million

1030
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: that's been given out to coaches who are no longer employed.

1031
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: Um Ray Anderson said, when he hired Herm Edwards, you know,

1032
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna bring somebody in. Understand that we're gonna be

1033
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: competitive salary wise, but we're not going to get into

1034
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: this arms race because you need to be fiscally responsible

1035
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: in this climate. We're gonna do everything that we can

1036
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: within reason to make sure that this is a well

1037
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: funded program, but we're not going to go out and

1038
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,479
Speaker 1: pay somebody five million dollars a year to coach this team.

1039
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: And he was kind of going against conventional wisdom, and

1040
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: he definitely went against conventional wisdom by hiring somebody who

1041
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: was out of football for nine years. But he gave

1042
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: her Edwards a salary of something like two and a

1043
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: half million dollars a year, and her Edwards had a

1044
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: seven win season and an eight win season, and nobody

1045
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: in the world, nobody in the world had any inkling

1046
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: that like, oh, if if they don't lock up her

1047
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: he might yeah in Ray Anderson even came out and said, like, hey,

1048
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: Herm has had the opportunity to go other places, and

1049
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: we've managed to hang on to him, and I don't

1050
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: know of a single soul who believed that. And they

1051
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: turned around and he hooked up his friend and former

1052
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 1: client with an extra million dollars a year. Now her

1053
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: makes three point five for what. Alright, for what? It's

1054
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: not my money, and I'm glad for her. He's got

1055
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: two young daughters and they're gonna have a huge dowry

1056
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: when they get married off someday, So congratulations to him.

1057
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: I am never against somebody going and getting their money,

1058
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: but who was coming to get herm Edwards? Who? How

1059
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: does that one million dollars make any difference? I'm super

1060
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: confused by the way that these coaches are common think

1061
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: that it's important to get ahead of things, especially with

1062
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: with salaries, to make sure that people who work for

1063
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: you are happy and don't feel like they're being taken

1064
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: advantage of. I think that there is an incredible amount

1065
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: of incentive in the system for people to keep that

1066
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: up and act like that's necessary when it isn't. Because

1067
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you're gonna be able

1068
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 1: to get kids if you can recruit or whatever. Coaches

1069
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: are moving all over the place, They're all massive, uh

1070
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: job hopping social climbers. Everybody's trying to get there's but

1071
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: you have to keep up this ruse. If you're an

1072
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: athletic director, if you're a head coach, if you're an

1073
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: assistant coach that if you don't take care of me

1074
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: long term, I'm gonna walk and then you just turn

1075
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: around and walk anyway. It's it's everybody is making sure

1076
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: to do their part to uphold this ruse that helps

1077
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: line their pockets. And I'm not mad at him for it.

1078
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: It is one of the world's greatest cons. But that's

1079
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: all it is, is a giant con. You don't need

1080
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: to lock up Todd Graham five years down the road

1081
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 1: when you don't even get along with him and you're

1082
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: just planning on hiring your friend and former client. Anyway,

1083
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: The money that Todd, that that Ray Anderson gave to

1084
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 1: Todd Graham when he tack on an extension year every

1085
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: single year of his tenure, was money that he had

1086
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 1: to go and seek from donors who are already tapped

1087
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: out from given three D four hundred million to help

1088
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: upgrade a stadium uh In in Tempe. They used to

1089
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 1: go out and seek twelve and a half million dollars

1090
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: to pay Tod Graham to sit at home and do nothing,

1091
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: giving him these extensions when he knew he was probably

1092
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: gonna fire him anyway, firing him after what was I

1093
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: think a seven or eight win season, only to turn

1094
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: around and have a couple more seven or eight win season.

1095
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:17,919
Speaker 1: So it's just and I know that I'm talking about

1096
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: a very specific example that I was around to cover,

1097
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 1: but it's it's very very obvious the extension that university

1098
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: that Washington State University gave Mike Leach right before he

1099
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: bounced fro Mississippi State. None of these figures mean anything.

1100
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: That that that extra year that Washington State gave Mike

1101
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: Leach to help convince recruits to come out to Pullman,

1102
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 1: that meant nothing to anyone, didn't mean anything that Leech

1103
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 1: didn't mean anything to recruit any of that. Yeah, yeah,

1104
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: coaches contract only matters if actually that his contract doesn't matter.

1105
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 1: It only has to do with the confidence that recruits

1106
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: have that he will be there the next year. That's it.

1107
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: That's the only thing that they care about. And that

1108
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 1: yeah and so, and that's one of the things that

1109
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: you lose use for leverage to get that guaranteed money

1110
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 1: is you don't take care of my guy, he's gonna

1111
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: walk and then your guy walks anyway, yep, And that

1112
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: means you shouldn't have gave him an extension because because

1113
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: that means you gave him an early extension. So if

1114
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: he leaves anyway, then you're gonna end up footing the

1115
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 1: bill for this dude anyway. I mean like, if if

1116
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: he doesn't live up to expectations, then you're gonna end

1117
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: up paying a buyout anyway. And you you let people

1118
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: know the amount of money you have, so any candidate

1119
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: that you're interviewing, it's not like you can then turn

1120
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:48,919
Speaker 1: around and try to hire somebody commisserate with their level

1121
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: of experience. If you gave Mike Leach five million dollars

1122
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: five years from now, then somebody that you hire is

1123
01:07:56,400 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 1: gonna come in wanting uh million dollars right out of

1124
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: the gate. The whole thingulous. And it's part of the

1125
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: reason that these schools are in financial trouble when they're

1126
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: not able to bring in cash right away. That's just

1127
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: like u c l A. Because I am not mad

1128
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: at all at the University of Oregon for not giving

1129
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 1: Mario Cristo Ball an extension yet, granted they were working

1130
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: on it before all this COVID COVID stuff happened, and

1131
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 1: he's gonna be handsomely paid. But I was happy that

1132
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 1: he didn't have one yet, that that they didn't do

1133
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: it like you know, after right after the rolls rolls

1134
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: boat no put in another recruiting class, and now he's

1135
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: put in multiple really good recruiting classes. The team looks stable,

1136
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 1: he's got his guys in. Like I'm giving him a

1137
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 1: I'm giving him an extension probably about halfway through this

1138
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: next season, provided that the economics are right, because everything's

1139
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: gonna be all screwed up. But yeah, that's when I

1140
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,919
Speaker 1: giving him an extension. After I see some proven success,

1141
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: and then I'll pay you what I will pay you, handsomely,

1142
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 1: very handsomely. After that, after you showed me improved to me.

1143
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:14,599
Speaker 1: And I'm only giving you like a five year deal

1144
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 1: and then you know, in three years, then then we

1145
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: can talk. But we're not talking after two years. I

1146
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: don't care if you win the national championship, we're not talking.

1147
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,679
Speaker 1: We're not talking before then you might as well forget

1148
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: about it. You would treat him like Brad Pitt treated

1149
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: Philip Stemore Hoffman in Moneyball when uh, when he says,

1150
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,560
Speaker 1: I don't think I can coach this team with just

1151
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: one year left from my deal, and and Brad Pitt says,

1152
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 1: sure you can, Yeah, exactly, sure, sure you can the

1153
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: the same way that you did it first. Should not

1154
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: be a problem. Um. The other thing is, Um, you

1155
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: brought up to me something that that pushed down in

1156
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:06,679
Speaker 1: the news. Um, Washington State they lost a player named

1157
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 1: Bryce Bryce Beakman. I remembered hearing about it, but then

1158
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 1: between everything with the coronavirus all of that stuff, it

1159
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 1: just missed a lot of the headlines in the news cycle.

1160
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 1: And I knew we wanted to talk about that and

1161
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 1: acknowledge that. What did you find out about it or

1162
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 1: read about it or anything like that, Ralph, Well, Bryce

1163
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,520
Speaker 1: Peakman was a name that was familiar to me because

1164
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: he played junior college football out here in the state

1165
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 1: of Arizona. Now he he was in the southwestern corner

1166
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,640
Speaker 1: of the state. He's out in Yuma at one of

1167
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 1: those national programs that that competes on the level of

1168
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: some of the you know UM teams that you see

1169
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:50,600
Speaker 1: in Last Chance. You and everything, and um, you know,

1170
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 1: so I was familiar with with him being a national

1171
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 1: recruit out here in the state of Arizona. He went

1172
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: to Washington State and he played a lot last year,

1173
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 1: had thirty seven solo tackles, two and a half for

1174
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: a loss, and he was expected to be a big

1175
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: part of that roster this year. Um, and I guess

1176
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 1: what ended up happening is you know, he he was

1177
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 1: he was in Pullman in his apartment. Somebody called the

1178
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 1: police and said that he was having breathing problems. That's

1179
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: that's all that was released. And when they showed up,

1180
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 1: he he had passed. And this is the this is

1181
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 1: the second time in two years that this Washington State

1182
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,600
Speaker 1: team has to deal with the death of a major contributor.

1183
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: But this time it happens in the era of COVID nineteen,

1184
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 1: when you know, everybody's got their own worries and it

1185
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 1: just kind of it's slip between the cracks. It was

1186
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: reported on Seattle Times wrote up a nice little profile

1187
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 1: of them. But we still don't have a cause of death. Um,

1188
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 1: you know, we we we don't know what happened here. Um.

1189
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 1: And you know, if you want to help this family out,

1190
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 1: they gotta go fund me um and and maybe we

1191
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: can put a link to that or something like that

1192
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 1: in UM in the in the show notes. But it's

1193
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 1: just it's crazy that, you know, twenty two years old

1194
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 1: just doesn't wake up, and uh, you know, And I

1195
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 1: don't want to speculate. I have no idea what what

1196
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 1: happened or why. I just know that, you know, somebody

1197
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: who is supposed to be here right now isn't And

1198
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 1: that's horrible. There's absolutely nothing worse than that, you know.

1199
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 1: And again on the heels of Tyler Helinsky, who was

1200
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 1: who was end route to being the starting quarterback for

1201
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:40,640
Speaker 1: Washington State tragically and end in his own life, you know,

1202
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 1: And and you never really know what's going on in

1203
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: somebody's uh in in in somebody's world, and and in

1204
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 1: a time like this, you know, this would probably be

1205
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 1: a lot more in the forefront and reported on a

1206
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 1: lot more heavily, but people are just kind of concerned

1207
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 1: with their own situations right now. I don't wanted to

1208
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:02,520
Speaker 1: make sure that we we at least had an opportunity

1209
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 1: to talk about it, because I know that you know,

1210
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 1: we were We've been aware of it, um And I

1211
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 1: was aware of it last week, but it just kind

1212
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 1: of it slipped through the cracks for us as well.

1213
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:14,560
Speaker 1: And you know, that's just another tough loss for this

1214
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 1: Washington State team that has gone through a whole lot

1215
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,599
Speaker 1: in the last couple of years. Yeah, I can't even

1216
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 1: imagine what being a part of this team if you

1217
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 1: are a freshman where you are a sophomore and you

1218
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 1: would have seen this twice in two years, like that

1219
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 1: is just I mean, it's just unfathomable really, because like

1220
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: it's already hard enough for older people, more seasoned people

1221
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 1: to deal with loss and death and all these things,

1222
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 1: but for a team to deal with it. Not not

1223
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 1: only do you lose a quote unquote contributor on your team,

1224
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: a person who adds value to win wins and losses,

1225
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 1: but you lost a person which is more important. And

1226
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:07,640
Speaker 1: I can't imagine just somebody just walking out of the

1227
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 1: locker room and the next day you're like you're just

1228
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: like oh wait, hold up, nope, nope, and not being

1229
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: able to grieve with your team or anything like that

1230
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 1: because you guys can't connect. You guys can't talk. Yeah,

1231
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 1: I mean in terms of in in person, like yeah,

1232
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 1: you guys can face time text all this stuff, but

1233
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 1: that has to be tough, and the community and pullman,

1234
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 1: they just really have to rally around each other and

1235
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 1: the and the teammates, because that's something that I don't

1236
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 1: think that you forget or that you quite get over.

1237
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 1: You have to process it, right. That's one thing that

1238
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:52,560
Speaker 1: spans all cultures, all religions, all races, everybody in on

1239
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 1: every corner of the earth, is that we gather to grieve.

1240
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 1: They can't do that. They're having uh, they're having like

1241
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:03,759
Speaker 1: a visitation in Baton Rouge. They had one this last weekend,

1242
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 1: and they're having another one for another side of his

1243
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 1: family um in Milwaukee, this upcoming Sunday. But in this

1244
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 1: note that his mother put out Julie, she says to

1245
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 1: ensure the health and safety and all the family will

1246
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 1: not be able to visit at either event and are

1247
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: discouraging travel at this time. So they have to wait

1248
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 1: until all this clears to get together and do the

1249
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 1: one thing that we're supposed to do as a society,

1250
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 1: which is kick the wheels in motion on the grieving process,

1251
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,640
Speaker 1: uh and say goodbye. And they can't. They can't. They

1252
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 1: can't give this kid a proper goodbye. They can't do

1253
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 1: it in Pullman, they can't do it in Milwaukee, they

1254
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 1: can't do it in Human, Arizona, they can't do it

1255
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 1: in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, where he's from. And that is horrifying.

1256
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: It's not just horrifying for him. You have to realize

1257
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people are living in this time where

1258
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of people all over the

1259
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 1: country who are afflicted with this disease. We're vulnerable health

1260
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 1: wise anyway, or in are in a position where they're

1261
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 1: dying alone, right and they're not able to have a

1262
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 1: funeral forum after or anything like that. And I think

1263
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 1: that that's probably the biggest scars of the era that

1264
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,679
Speaker 1: we're living in right now, are that we're not able

1265
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 1: to console each other, and that is at least not

1266
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 1: in the traditional sense, you know, and that that that's

1267
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 1: a lot to swallow. And it's just, you know, two

1268
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 1: bitter pills in in a short amount of time for

1269
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: those kids in Pullman. And I feel really bad for

1270
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:38,759
Speaker 1: those kids, Oh for sure. That's that's hard. It's tough,

1271
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 1: and we will be praying for them as well. Um

1272
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: the um. On a different note, though, the last thing

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Speaker 1: we have up today for you guys is UM. Well,

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Speaker 1: actually the next the last thing because Ralphson Waxy. We'll

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01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 1: get to that on the on the next pop podcast. Well,

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Speaker 1: well we'll do an all basketball podcast because there's some

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01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 1: stuff going down impact we need like an hour and

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01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 1: a half to talk about this. Yep. Um. The last

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Speaker 1: thing that we have up today then is UM. I

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01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 1: didn't interview the other day with Spencer pay singer. I

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01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:20,640
Speaker 1: got a chance to enter to interview him. And if

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Speaker 1: you don't know who he is, he is a former

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01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 1: Oregon Duck who played at for the New York Giants.

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01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 1: He was undrafted free agent played seven years in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Um played for the Giants, the Jets, and the Dolphins.

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Speaker 1: And he is basically who the uh. The show on

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Speaker 1: CW called All American or on Netflix if you you've

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01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: seen it, it's about uh the high school basketball, high

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Speaker 1: school football player at Beverly Hills High School named Spencer

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Speaker 1: Spencer James, and it's about loosely about his his life

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Speaker 1: and he is the kind of the impetus of creating it.

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Speaker 1: He's one of the writers, he's a producer on the

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01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 1: show and interviewing him and he talked so much about um,

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01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, about his family, all these things. So let's

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Speaker 1: get to the interview Spencer pay Singer. What man? A

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01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 1: lot of people are looking at you. They watch your

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Speaker 1: show all American, and they're like, yo, is this Spencer James?

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Speaker 1: And and I'm saying, well, first of all, he doesn't

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Speaker 1: look quite like Spencer, but this is your life though, Like,

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01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 1: how does it feel to have your life or some

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Speaker 1: version of your life played out on screen? It's interesting? Um,

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01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 1: and like the best way possible. I remember, and just

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01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 1: I grew up watching you know, any TV show I could.

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01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 1: I lived in the movie theater, so I would always say, like,

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01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 1: I want to like, would anybody want to watch a

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01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,560
Speaker 1: story of my life? You know? I it's not that

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01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 1: I feel like everybody answered, like asked themselves that question,

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01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 1: but just sitting in those theaters and and finding any

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01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 1: TV show, every TV show to consume. I just always

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01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 1: had that question. And not to say that that was

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01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 1: any driving force to create the show, but when the

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01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: show started going, I was like, oh shoot, I get

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01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 1: to answer this question. When when did you know that

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Speaker 1: your life was was was interesting enough to be translated

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Speaker 1: on screen? Um? I would say when I got. I

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01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 1: got a phone call from the head of Warner Brothers

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01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 1: UM going into towards the end of my sixth year playing,

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01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 1: and it was right after I sent over just a

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01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 1: one page document because one of my one of my

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01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 1: friends slash, I mean, he's my producing part of now.

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Speaker 1: His name is Dane Mark. He kind of kicked the

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Speaker 1: wheels on what a story like this can look like

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Speaker 1: and asked me to just write up a one page

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Speaker 1: document or just something to paint, you know, my upbringing.

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01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 1: Going to Beverly Els with that all in tails to

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Speaker 1: see if you know any fishwood, any fishwood pipe. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm in the middle of a football

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01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 1: season right now. We're literally studying my playbook. When I

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01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 1: get the phone call from him, I put my playbook aside.

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Speaker 1: I've spent maybe two or three hours writing this one

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Speaker 1: page document and I sent it off from back to

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Speaker 1: playing and whatnot. Let's say about two weeks later, I

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01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 1: get a call from UM, a one of Brothers head.

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01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 1: I'm talking like, there's not I assume there's nobody above

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01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 1: him UM, and he he was just like, hey, I

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01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 1: got this sheet. I read it. The words popped off

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Speaker 1: the page. There could be something here. If you don't mind,

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01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 1: why don't you come and just have a meeting with

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01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 1: us when you get back from the season. Uh. And

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01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 1: at that point I knew we weren't making the playoffs statistically,

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01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 1: we had literally been knocked out. Um, And I said,

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Speaker 1: I'm I scheduled the meeting right then and there. I said,

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01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:55,639
Speaker 1: I will be back in town the second week of January.

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Speaker 1: I'll come that next day. And that's when I realized.

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Speaker 1: Once I hung up the phone, I was like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: this this could be something that's interesting, Like what you know,

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01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 1: what happens if it is? You know, the world was

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Speaker 1: so big to me back then when it came to

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Speaker 1: when it came to the industry. Okay, So and that

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Speaker 1: and was that when you were with the Jets or

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01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 1: when you were with the Dolphins. That was what I

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01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 1: was with the Dolphins. Okay. Now now fast forward, so

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Speaker 1: you so, so you go have the meeting and then

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01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 1: you're with the Jets, because this is what I've read

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01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:31,959
Speaker 1: about and is that you were getting ready for practice

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01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 1: and you were supposed to be having a a pitch

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01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:38,719
Speaker 1: meeting with with Warner brothers and and some other people,

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01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 1: and and you and you missed the start of practice

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01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 1: for the meeting. Take take us, Okay, I didn't miss

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Speaker 1: I didn't miss it. I came drastically close to missing it.

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Speaker 1: It was it was like it was theatrical how everything

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01:21:55,800 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 1: played out. So, you know, for the without listening, when

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Speaker 1: you're pitching the show, there's a season to pitch, and

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Speaker 1: that's usually between like late July and pretty much all

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Speaker 1: of August. That's when they that's when a studio says, hey,

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Speaker 1: we like this project, we want to develop it out.

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Speaker 1: You guys have until you know, late December early January

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Speaker 1: to submit your pilot. So for months we have been

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Speaker 1: working on on what the idea of the show would be,

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Speaker 1: the characters, you know, the twist and turns and whatnot,

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Speaker 1: to be able to present in August. So you know,

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Speaker 1: the day came that we were presenting, Um it was

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Speaker 1: Greg Blante day more April Blair. I believe it was

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Speaker 1: one other person that I can't I can't remember the

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Speaker 1: name right now, but they asked me to say, they say, hey,

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01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 1: can you make up you know, maybe a two or

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01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 1: three minute video just to just to let the people

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Speaker 1: in the room know that this is a real person.

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Speaker 1: That Spencer Pacinger is real. This story is a guy

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Speaker 1: that's actually playing in the league right now. I said, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have I have an hour before practice, like this

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01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 1: would be this would be nothing. So I talked to

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01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 1: one of our trainers at the with the Jets and said, hey,

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01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 1: can use your office for like, man like ten minutes

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01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 1: times he said yeah. I took out my iPad started

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Speaker 1: recording and it just wasn't perfect. I kept, you know,

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Speaker 1: redoing it, changing up my words, writing down a little

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01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 1: like little passages for me to memorize and whatnot. I

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01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 1: look up and I have maybe seven minutes to go

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01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 1: from shorts and a T shirt to full paths and

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01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 1: run out like an eighty yard sprint to two warm ups.

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Speaker 1: So I finally get a video that I'm proud of.

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01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 1: I send it off. I dought out the locker room.

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01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 1: You know, I'm literally hopping on the grass with like

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01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 1: one cleat in a dead sprint. Um and make it

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Speaker 1: what I think, like I want to say, like seven

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Speaker 1: seconds left before I would have got fine like like

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Speaker 1: five or six thousand dollars for me and late to practice.

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Speaker 1: So that yeah, that's where that's where that story comes from,

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01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 1: of just just like this all out dead sprint to

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01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 1: my spot and practice so I don't get fined. So

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01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 1: had you had you been five thousand dollars for this,

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01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it would have been worth it at this point,

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01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 1: at the point in time, Oh absolutely. I mean I

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01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 1: was totally ready to walk away from football once I

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01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 1: heard the show got sold That day. Um it was

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Speaker 1: I want to say, it was our last practice before

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01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 1: we had like a day off, and I was in

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01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 1: my hotel room when when my friend Daymore kit me

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01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 1: up and say, hey, we actually just sold it in

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01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 1: the room, and I didn't know what that was. I

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01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 1: was like, what do you mean you sold it in

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01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 1: the room. They're like, yeah, this never happens, but like

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01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 1: we sold it in the room. And I called my

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01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 1: wife and I was like, hey, I don't like playing

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01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 1: for the Jets. I've been a Giant for four years.

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Speaker 1: I want to super Bowl with the Giants, Like I

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01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 1: do not want to be here anymore. And she actually

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01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 1: had to talk me off of the land because I

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01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 1: was hell being on going to Todd Bow's office and saying,

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01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:57,920
Speaker 1: you guys can just cut me loose right now. Oh

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01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 1: you would getting ready to pull of of uh Avante Davis. Yeah,

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01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:09,560
Speaker 1: it was. It was because mind you, um, and I

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01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:11,680
Speaker 1: can say now I've said it before, like I did

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01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:13,680
Speaker 1: not like playing for the Jets. That's not to say

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Speaker 1: I didn't like playing with the men there, Like I

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01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: still have friends to this day that I met within

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01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 1: that organization for that you know, month and a half

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01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 1: that I was with them, But I just didn't like

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01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 1: how they ran their organization, how they ran practice, you know,

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01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 1: even from top down, from top bowls down, Like it

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01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 1: was just some of the coaches were really cool. I

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01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 1: love and respect a lot of them. But when you're

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01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 1: when you played for the New York Giants and succeeded

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01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 1: with the New York Giants and you come back to

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01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 1: be a too, to be a New York Jet, it's

1437
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 1: just different. It's it's just absolutely different. So and I

1438
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 1: actually already knew that whatever happens that last season, I

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01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 1: was actually going to retire no matter what, no matter

1440
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Speaker 1: if I stayed with the Jets, no matter if I

1441
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 1: got onto another team, which I end up doing, but

1442
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,600
Speaker 1: that was absolutely going to be my last season. So

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01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 1: it was just funny that, you know, the reason for

1444
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 1: me retiring actually kicked up a few more months, and

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01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 1: I thought it would to the point where I was like, well,

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01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 1: I mean I was playing on retiring and like, you know,

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01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 1: December January, let's cut this ship short and I'm out

1448
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 1: in August. But my wife was like, no, like play

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01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 1: your seventh years. Yeah, dude, It's crazy to me because, um,

1450
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:27,600
Speaker 1: I played in Jacksonville and then I went up to

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01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 1: the Giants the year before you got there, and being

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01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:34,720
Speaker 1: up there was totally different. I was like, this is

1453
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 1: the way football is supposed to be, buddy. Yeah. Man,

1454
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 1: it's just a good environment, Like that team is run

1455
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:46,600
Speaker 1: well like and well or I mean they're having some

1456
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:49,640
Speaker 1: personnel struggles and stuff now, but in terms of the

1457
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 1: way the people in the treat the city, treat you,

1458
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 1: the way that they treat their their their players, it

1459
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 1: was it was phenomenal for for me, at least for

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01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 1: the little short time I was there. Yeah, I mean,

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01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 1: I was absolutely blessed to play for the Giants my

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01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 1: first four years to see how professionals go about doing

1463
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:10,840
Speaker 1: their business. Um, even from from top down. You know,

1464
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 1: as soon as we got in there. You know, I

1465
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 1: was an undrafted guy during the lockout, but you know,

1466
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 1: my locker was right next to os mayor Um and

1467
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 1: you know, guys like Justin Tuck, you know, put their

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01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 1: arms around me and they didn't treat me like a

1469
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 1: rookie or whatnot. But and we have we had some

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01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 1: some moments of of levity in there, but for the

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01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 1: most part, they were like, hey, you know, we're trying

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01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 1: to win games here. You know, there's a there's a

1473
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 1: hierarchy within the locker room. If you know your place

1474
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 1: within the locker room, you can succeed on this team.

1475
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 1: And there's always room to to succeed up that ladder.

1476
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 1: You know. Again the os majors that you're like Mannings

1477
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 1: and you know, that was the year that Victor Cruz

1478
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 1: became Victor Cruz, and it was just it was just

1479
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 1: a great environment to learn how to be a professional

1480
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 1: for the NFL. Oh oh oh for sure. And I

1481
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 1: thought this straight hand did a lot of really good

1482
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:59,680
Speaker 1: job of teaching Tuck and human Ura and a lot

1483
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 1: of those other guys as well. You talked about wanting

1484
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 1: to retire, and people I don't think can understand that,

1485
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 1: like professional sports can strip your love of the game.

1486
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 1: And but what was that like for you wanting to

1487
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 1: retire and saying listen, I don't want to do this

1488
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 1: anymore because people physically, like people who watch sports, can't

1489
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:28,640
Speaker 1: understand somebody not wanting to do it anymore. Yeah, I

1490
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 1: would say, um, I kind of. I came into the

1491
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 1: league with that idea that um you know, and I

1492
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 1: learned this actually at Oregon through James Harris and a

1493
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:42,599
Speaker 1: few other influences there. But James Harris was the first

1494
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 1: guy that really put his arms around me and said,

1495
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 1: you know, there's something different about you, and let's see

1496
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:50,560
Speaker 1: where this can take you. So, you know, here's a

1497
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 1: book that I want you to read. You know, let's

1498
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 1: talk about it once you have some off time, you know,

1499
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 1: come by my office, Like there's an article I think

1500
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 1: that we can you know, discuss. Hey, I want you

1501
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 1: to have a coffee with this this guy over here,

1502
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 1: because he runs a company, he might be interested in

1503
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 1: just you know, picking people's brains and just getting that

1504
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 1: experience of of what Eugene was as a business, not

1505
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,720
Speaker 1: necessarily as a town or as a football player. Um

1506
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,560
Speaker 1: So I carried that into the league, just doing internships

1507
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 1: and you know, coffees, job shottering experiences, uh, you know,

1508
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:23,559
Speaker 1: logging business cards whenever I got whenever I got him,

1509
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:25,599
Speaker 1: and sending those emails or whatnot. And it was from

1510
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:28,679
Speaker 1: the understanding that I always assumed, or I always believe,

1511
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 1: football was a job, not a career. You know, you

1512
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:34,080
Speaker 1: can do it for you know, the height of your

1513
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:37,000
Speaker 1: twenties and you know, going into your thirties, but you

1514
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 1: can have a ten fifteen year career get out and

1515
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 1: you only thirty four years old. You've only lived the

1516
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 1: first possibly third of your life if you're lucky, you know.

1517
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:48,880
Speaker 1: So just bringing that idea into it and and saying, hey,

1518
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 1: I want to commit while I'm able to. I want

1519
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 1: to commit my twenties to playing football. But once I

1520
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 1: get to my thirties, that's when I want to turn

1521
01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:58,680
Speaker 1: and be the businessman, be the family man, be the

1522
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 1: the entrepreneurs, creator, whatnot. So that last season I was

1523
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:09,639
Speaker 1: um turning twenty, I was twenty nine, about to turn thirty.

1524
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 1: And when I finally said I'm good, I'm done. Uh

1525
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:18,599
Speaker 1: was December December seventeen, six months before my thirtieth birthday.

1526
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 1: So by all accounts, I succeeded in it. See, your

1527
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:27,000
Speaker 1: your mentality is something that Okay. So I got to

1528
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 1: Eugene and nine and I wish that I had understood

1529
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:35,759
Speaker 1: the more than an athlete, the understanding the business side

1530
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 1: of it um, the business side of the city and

1531
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:41,640
Speaker 1: college sports and network and all that stuff at that

1532
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 1: point in time. And even when I first got into

1533
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 1: the league, I was a guy who understood it after

1534
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 1: and and so I try to teach a lot of

1535
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:52,560
Speaker 1: the young guys now that So who was it? I

1536
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 1: guess who influenced you there? And because I want people

1537
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:59,559
Speaker 1: to listen to it to realize whether it's athletes, whether whatever,

1538
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:03,799
Speaker 1: industy year in that your networking while you're in college

1539
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:07,840
Speaker 1: and all this stuff is like crucial. Yeah. So those

1540
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:11,640
Speaker 1: two people, Um, the first, the first ever example of

1541
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:15,760
Speaker 1: it UM as a you know, as an athlete looking

1542
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 1: to different colleges and seeing where I want to go

1543
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 1: and whatnot was actually my older brother, my older brother,

1544
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 1: Justin pay Singer. He was offensive lineman for San Jose

1545
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 1: State between I believe about two thousand three two about

1546
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:32,600
Speaker 1: two thousand seven, two thousand eight, Um, he ended up.

1547
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 1: You know, at one point he was one of the

1548
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 1: best linemen in the country coming out of high school.

1549
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:39,320
Speaker 1: You know, Pete Carroll told him, if you were an

1550
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:42,800
Speaker 1: inch taller, you'd have you'd had a full ride to

1551
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 1: USC and this is when you know they had like

1552
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 1: guys like Fred Matua and stuff. So you know, he

1553
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 1: was he was still to this day the strongest man

1554
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:53,639
Speaker 1: I've ever met. Um. But he actually had to medically

1555
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:57,599
Speaker 1: retire because he had, you know, lineman going out each

1556
01:31:57,600 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 1: other in the middle of in the middle of a

1557
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:02,560
Speaker 1: play Whistle Blue, and his back got worked in a

1558
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:04,600
Speaker 1: weird way, which had you know, he had two or

1559
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:10,120
Speaker 1: the responding court surgeries afterwards. But in that happening, the

1560
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 1: school said, you know, you've done so much, so much

1561
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 1: good for our school on and off the field, that

1562
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 1: we want to pay for your masters and whatever you

1563
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:21,680
Speaker 1: plan on plan on going towards. So you know, this

1564
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 1: guy was my brother, was the president of the Whack Conference.

1565
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:28,960
Speaker 1: He was in numerous organizations around school. I mean, I

1566
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 1: believe to this day they still play his like Welcome

1567
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 1: to Save video in front of every football UM. So

1568
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 1: seeing that as a junior senior in high school, I'm like, man,

1569
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's not just you know, putting on

1570
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 1: the pads and going to practice. And once he's not

1571
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:45,720
Speaker 1: in practice, you know, he's running around Jason girls are

1572
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:48,320
Speaker 1: drinking or whatnot. You know, he's flying to you know,

1573
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 1: different schools having conferences. He's creating initiatives and stuff to

1574
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:54,600
Speaker 1: make the Whack conference better than what he than what

1575
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 1: he came in on it. So you know, he was

1576
01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:59,120
Speaker 1: my very first experience of like, oh I can do

1577
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:03,360
Speaker 1: more in college than just party, play football and chase

1578
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:06,600
Speaker 1: after girls. Uh. And then the second influence was, like

1579
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 1: I said before, was James Harris, who you know my

1580
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 1: I think it was my second year in the league,

1581
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 1: I mean in college. He came over, I believe the

1582
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 1: same year as Chip Kelly um as nutritionists, ended up

1583
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 1: leaving like one of the top names in the organization

1584
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:22,200
Speaker 1: because of what he did for the student athletes there

1585
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:24,719
Speaker 1: at the programs he created. And he was just somebody

1586
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:27,200
Speaker 1: that said, hey, you know, you're an ECON major and

1587
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:29,680
Speaker 1: it's rare that you meet a football player that's also

1588
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:33,920
Speaker 1: an ECON major. Let's just so was I there we go.

1589
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:38,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, he he saw that, and I guess he

1590
01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:39,960
Speaker 1: just saw how I carry myself and I was, you know,

1591
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:43,360
Speaker 1: I was always asking questions and wanting to know things.

1592
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:45,760
Speaker 1: So he said, okay, you know I want you to

1593
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:48,519
Speaker 1: ask the same questions to this guy that owns a

1594
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:51,320
Speaker 1: handful of restaurants around town, or you know, meet with

1595
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:54,839
Speaker 1: this woman that you know she runs tickets for the stadium.

1596
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:58,800
Speaker 1: Like he was just always plugged me into different experiences

1597
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 1: and say, hey, I want you to come maybe rather

1598
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 1: report about it, or or let's just have a conversation

1599
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:05,960
Speaker 1: of what you want to do in life. So those

1600
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:08,120
Speaker 1: are the first two I would say influences. I said,

1601
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:10,800
Speaker 1: I can actually use football to my advantage instead of

1602
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:14,800
Speaker 1: banging my head against people. Yeah, and that's what your

1603
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 1: your life, I would say, in your perspective, is what

1604
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:21,840
Speaker 1: I try to instill in to my kids, which is

1605
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:25,640
Speaker 1: which is yes, you are good at sports. Yes you

1606
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 1: may get a scholarship, yes all of all of these things.

1607
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:34,840
Speaker 1: However that that's nothing more than a head start in

1608
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 1: life like that that that me I was done at

1609
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:42,679
Speaker 1: thirty So you have to even like as you said,

1610
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 1: you were done at thirty two, you have to do

1611
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:47,280
Speaker 1: something else with the rest of your life. Even if

1612
01:34:47,320 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 1: you're a guy who makes a hundred million dollars, you

1613
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 1: can't just sit around because everybody else is working. So

1614
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 1: the only people that you're gonna hang out with or

1615
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:58,000
Speaker 1: people who aren't working and aren't doing anything productive. Yeah,

1616
01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 1: I would say, I mean even going a step further

1617
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 1: than that, Like, I know, guys that I've played with

1618
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:08,040
Speaker 1: that have made you know, tens of twenty or fifty

1619
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:11,080
Speaker 1: million dollars. You know, a lot of them subscribe to

1620
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:14,760
Speaker 1: the idea that the NFL was my peak, that was

1621
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:17,800
Speaker 1: my plateau. So now that I'm retired and maybe have

1622
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:21,519
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl ring or I'm beloved within you know,

1623
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 1: the organization that I played in, you know, you talk

1624
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:27,240
Speaker 1: to some of those guys candidly, and they don't They're

1625
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:30,519
Speaker 1: not happy. They're they're not fulfilled in their life anymore,

1626
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:33,719
Speaker 1: and they keep going back to talking about the glory

1627
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:37,160
Speaker 1: days and football and you know, sending out the tweets

1628
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:39,639
Speaker 1: and the messages of you know, trying to garner those

1629
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:43,040
Speaker 1: you know, a hundred or two hundred retweets or whatnot,

1630
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:46,280
Speaker 1: because they have nothing else to look forward to besides

1631
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:49,800
Speaker 1: the past. So that was something that I saw in

1632
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 1: the league, and I'm seeing now with some colleagues that

1633
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:54,760
Speaker 1: are out the league, and and and again not to talk,

1634
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:58,040
Speaker 1: not to you know, dochete or talk shame about any

1635
01:35:58,040 --> 01:35:59,799
Speaker 1: of those guys because you know, those are my brothers.

1636
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:02,800
Speaker 1: But you know, they were the same guys that said

1637
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:05,120
Speaker 1: that laughed at some of the things that I was

1638
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:06,960
Speaker 1: doing in the league, whether it was you know, having

1639
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:09,920
Speaker 1: that meeting or you know, I remember writing short stories

1640
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:13,760
Speaker 1: after away games, um, because that that was how I

1641
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:16,400
Speaker 1: kind of that was how my brain essentially healed and

1642
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:19,880
Speaker 1: recovered from playing and the you know, the adrenaline and

1643
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 1: whatnot is I would just go into another world of

1644
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:25,439
Speaker 1: screenwriting and watching movies or whatnot. But it was all

1645
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:28,160
Speaker 1: under the idea to just find something that isn't tied

1646
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:30,680
Speaker 1: to football that you can lean into because then it

1647
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 1: could potentially lead you to a career afterwards. Yeah, I

1648
01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:36,080
Speaker 1: think that that's important not only for people in college,

1649
01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:39,680
Speaker 1: but people what but what kids in high school? Like

1650
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:44,320
Speaker 1: that you have to find something aside from whatever that

1651
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 1: you think your plan a is that that needs to

1652
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:49,519
Speaker 1: actually be the sports needs to be your plan plan

1653
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:52,560
Speaker 1: beat Gerald Alexander. He said that on the podcast a

1654
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 1: couple of weeks weeks ago that sports needs to be

1655
01:36:55,040 --> 01:37:00,280
Speaker 1: your plan beat and and like and I always wonder

1656
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 1: because like, as as a young man, your life now, Yes,

1657
01:37:05,080 --> 01:37:06,920
Speaker 1: we were able to go to the league, which probably

1658
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 1: seemed like a possibility to you when you were young,

1659
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:13,040
Speaker 1: but like your career after, did that seemed like a

1660
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:16,000
Speaker 1: possibility for you, a kid that was in South central

1661
01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 1: UM to play in the NFL? Yeah, or after both? Honestly,

1662
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:25,000
Speaker 1: I never thought in a million years I would play

1663
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:28,439
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Um growing up, and I'm talking from

1664
01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:34,120
Speaker 1: the first time I could touch a ball was basketball.

1665
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:38,559
Speaker 1: It was from from birth to maybe fourteen years old.

1666
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:40,640
Speaker 1: I want to say I was a basketball player. I

1667
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:44,519
Speaker 1: wanted to play basketball. I only played football because my

1668
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:47,439
Speaker 1: family is a football family. You know, I know the sport.

1669
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:49,120
Speaker 1: I love the sport. I was a ball boy since

1670
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:51,839
Speaker 1: I was like three years old. But I was always

1671
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 1: somewhat the somewhat the left turn in the family when

1672
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 1: it came to like what sport would you fall into,

1673
01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:00,679
Speaker 1: because everybody played football. That was the talk of the family.

1674
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:04,200
Speaker 1: So when I got to high school, I looked around

1675
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:07,040
Speaker 1: and I would always say this, how you know, teenagers,

1676
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:10,360
Speaker 1: especially in a city youth, we have to make decisions

1677
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:13,479
Speaker 1: about the outcome of our life at a very young

1678
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:18,120
Speaker 1: age when we may not be equipped two make those decisions.

1679
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:22,200
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm fourteen years old and I'm looking at

1680
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:24,240
Speaker 1: the basketball team that I really want to play with,

1681
01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:28,360
Speaker 1: but they haven't sent a guy D one in four

1682
01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:31,680
Speaker 1: or five years. But the football team is sending two

1683
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:35,720
Speaker 1: or three guys D one every single season, every single year.

1684
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:38,479
Speaker 1: So I made that decision right then, and they're like, Okay,

1685
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:41,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna following my brother's following his footsteps. He's big

1686
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:43,840
Speaker 1: man on campus. They had a really good football team.

1687
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play football. I'm gonna lean more into football

1688
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:50,040
Speaker 1: than I was before. And I actually stopped playing basketball

1689
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:52,799
Speaker 1: in my lo was my sophomore year just to focus

1690
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:56,599
Speaker 1: on football and track. But growing up, no, I never

1691
01:38:57,040 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 1: I never really thought about playing football. I just always

1692
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:02,360
Speaker 1: thought I was going to be a point guard for

1693
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:06,200
Speaker 1: UNC and be wrapped by Jordan's uh they played for

1694
01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:10,519
Speaker 1: the Lakers. But yeah, that's that's that's where it came from,

1695
01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:14,680
Speaker 1: was just being fourteen years old and just looking at

1696
01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:18,120
Speaker 1: the statistics of both teams and being like, I'm gonna

1697
01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:21,800
Speaker 1: go here because I wouldn't play football, because I think

1698
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:25,240
Speaker 1: I can get to college playing football instead of playing basketball.

1699
01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:28,000
Speaker 1: And that's how it happened. Dude. You had actually a

1700
01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:30,360
Speaker 1: lot of perspective as a kid. I had none of that.

1701
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 1: I just I was a kid. I was twelve years old.

1702
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:38,040
Speaker 1: I was chubby, and my teacher asked me what I

1703
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:39,439
Speaker 1: want to be when I grew up. I said, a

1704
01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:41,560
Speaker 1: professional athlete and a businessman, and I want to be

1705
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:45,200
Speaker 1: an entertainment and she and she was like, listen, what

1706
01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:47,640
Speaker 1: are your chance of being a professional atlete? Then one

1707
01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:49,320
Speaker 1: in one in a million. She was like, don't you

1708
01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:51,960
Speaker 1: need to try to choose something else. I was like, nope, nope,

1709
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:57,040
Speaker 1: but that's kind of that's kind of always been been me.

1710
01:39:57,280 --> 01:40:02,960
Speaker 1: But I'd like, I I love the difference in how

1711
01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:05,720
Speaker 1: you thought about things and looked at things, and I

1712
01:40:05,800 --> 01:40:10,120
Speaker 1: think it stresses the important of having mentors. Like before

1713
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:14,160
Speaker 1: I went to college, aside from you know, like seeing

1714
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:16,040
Speaker 1: a couple of guys here and there that made that

1715
01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:20,719
Speaker 1: I heard about, I knew nobody, not one single person

1716
01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 1: that had gone to college to go play sports, not one.

1717
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:27,040
Speaker 1: So I didn't have anybody to ask about it, anybody

1718
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:29,960
Speaker 1: to talk to. My my dad helped me get there,

1719
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:33,439
Speaker 1: and it was just so I was learning on on

1720
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:40,360
Speaker 1: the fly. So so yeah, that's crazy. So my to

1721
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:43,160
Speaker 1: to speak on that from my perspective and this, I

1722
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:45,760
Speaker 1: mean It's not like I was some you know, survived,

1723
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:48,879
Speaker 1: you know, floating through the high school hallways like answering

1724
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 1: questions for for the scatter few. But I, like you said,

1725
01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:56,160
Speaker 1: like I had a mentor of myself when it came to, uh,

1726
01:40:56,520 --> 01:40:58,080
Speaker 1: just what to do with how to go about this

1727
01:40:58,200 --> 01:41:00,519
Speaker 1: new world. I mean, for the majority in my life,

1728
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:02,960
Speaker 1: I was in South central you know, which to school

1729
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:06,120
Speaker 1: in Inglewood, and then was uprooted to essentially go to

1730
01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:09,240
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. Now I had been at Beverly Hills before,

1731
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:11,280
Speaker 1: just as a ball boy because again my my dad

1732
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:13,280
Speaker 1: and two of my uncles with the football coaches there,

1733
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:17,240
Speaker 1: but going to school there was just such a culturally

1734
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:20,680
Speaker 1: different experience to where the only time, the only way

1735
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:23,200
Speaker 1: I could actually get to school every morning was to

1736
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:25,519
Speaker 1: wake up at four thirty in the morning, to get

1737
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:29,759
Speaker 1: to my uncle's house by five, to get to school

1738
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:32,760
Speaker 1: by seven before period zero would start. So it was

1739
01:41:32,840 --> 01:41:35,400
Speaker 1: in those it was in those conversations to and from

1740
01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:38,280
Speaker 1: school that he would essentially school me on you know,

1741
01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:40,320
Speaker 1: what to do, how to do it, how to talk,

1742
01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:43,719
Speaker 1: you know, you know, talking about like cold switching and stuff.

1743
01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:46,200
Speaker 1: You know, my uncle he talks like a black man.

1744
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:48,760
Speaker 1: He talks like at the time, you know, year old

1745
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:50,680
Speaker 1: black man. But then when you put him on the

1746
01:41:50,720 --> 01:41:53,719
Speaker 1: phone and he has to be official and convey his point,

1747
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:56,600
Speaker 1: he turns into you know, coach Carter pacing room. You know.

1748
01:41:57,160 --> 01:41:58,840
Speaker 1: So it was kind of absorbing a lot of that

1749
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:03,080
Speaker 1: and even seeing you know, for years I saw schools

1750
01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 1: and their representatives come down and the scouts come down

1751
01:42:06,479 --> 01:42:08,720
Speaker 1: to recruit guys that were on the football team that

1752
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:10,519
Speaker 1: I looked up to. You know. I saw guys going

1753
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 1: to Washington, a couple of guys going up to Oregon,

1754
01:42:13,160 --> 01:42:14,960
Speaker 1: you know, and and just you know, around the game

1755
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:17,600
Speaker 1: at Stanford or whatnot. So I always wanted to be

1756
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,120
Speaker 1: I always wanted those same guys one day to come

1757
01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:22,360
Speaker 1: back and recruit me, to which they did. I was with.

1758
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:28,599
Speaker 1: I mean I saw Don Pelham for maybe five or yeah.

1759
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:30,559
Speaker 1: He was always just like, oh, it's that time of year,

1760
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:32,439
Speaker 1: you know, the guy that the pimp in the suits

1761
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:35,559
Speaker 1: coming down to grab somebody. And when he finally came

1762
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:37,360
Speaker 1: down to me, I was like, yes, it's time, Like

1763
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:39,600
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be here, this is supposed to this

1764
01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:42,599
Speaker 1: is supposed to happen, you know. But it all went

1765
01:42:42,640 --> 01:42:44,640
Speaker 1: back to my uncle Carter because this was again, this

1766
01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:47,759
Speaker 1: was at the time when my father wasn't wasn't around

1767
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:52,400
Speaker 1: as much physically. Um, and my uncle's my uncle saw me.

1768
01:42:52,479 --> 01:42:54,400
Speaker 1: You know, he I was going through puberty at the time.

1769
01:42:54,479 --> 01:42:57,040
Speaker 1: You know, your thirteen year thirteen year old kid in

1770
01:42:57,120 --> 01:43:00,400
Speaker 1: an entirely new school with you know, nobody from his

1771
01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:03,479
Speaker 1: elementary school that transferred with him. You know, not to

1772
01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:05,560
Speaker 1: say I was lost, but like he saw that I

1773
01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:08,519
Speaker 1: needed guidance. So him and my other two uncles kind

1774
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:10,479
Speaker 1: of you know, circled the wagons around me and said, hey,

1775
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:13,400
Speaker 1: you're seeing your older brother. You know, he did it right.

1776
01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:15,760
Speaker 1: He you know, got a full scholarship. Now he's playing

1777
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:18,479
Speaker 1: foot by Sound State. Like you can do that too,

1778
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:21,519
Speaker 1: Like the family doesn't need to just have one football

1779
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:23,320
Speaker 1: player on the family, Like you can actually do this.

1780
01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:27,439
Speaker 1: So it was it was really on them, uh kind

1781
01:43:27,439 --> 01:43:28,720
Speaker 1: of how I got to where I got to it

1782
01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:31,920
Speaker 1: in terms of Oregon, I've just just opening my eyes

1783
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:33,960
Speaker 1: to what could be out there. Well, you talked about

1784
01:43:34,040 --> 01:43:37,880
Speaker 1: something that that really sticks out for me, which is

1785
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:40,160
Speaker 1: where you talked about being able to switch it up,

1786
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:42,600
Speaker 1: that you have to be able to be professional in

1787
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:46,599
Speaker 1: certain settings, and I think that that causes like issues,

1788
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:49,840
Speaker 1: especially in the black community because I was a kid,

1789
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:52,600
Speaker 1: I went to private school for the majority of my

1790
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:57,439
Speaker 1: mind life really and people but I didn't live in

1791
01:43:57,520 --> 01:44:00,439
Speaker 1: that neighborhood, was not influent anything like we had a

1792
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:03,680
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties vaulboll In n when when I was at

1793
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:09,880
Speaker 1: Buckley and they were like, um and and it was

1794
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:12,799
Speaker 1: just a weird world. Because when I went to Sylmar,

1795
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:15,720
Speaker 1: people would would say to me, oh, man, you talk white,

1796
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:17,720
Speaker 1: you talk like a white boy, this and that, and

1797
01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:20,160
Speaker 1: for me used to make me so angry because I

1798
01:44:20,240 --> 01:44:22,840
Speaker 1: was like, why does being a black man have to

1799
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:26,519
Speaker 1: be associated with with all the negative things with Oh? So,

1800
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:29,759
Speaker 1: so I use big words addressed a certain way. I'm Carlton,

1801
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm not black, Like, how did you deal with with that?

1802
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:36,200
Speaker 1: Because that that still like drives me up the wall

1803
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:40,080
Speaker 1: to this day. Yeah, I mean that started with me

1804
01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:42,519
Speaker 1: when I was, you know, in seventh grade or so

1805
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:46,280
Speaker 1: once at that age when you're starting to understand, you

1806
01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:48,640
Speaker 1: know where the cars are gonna fall in terms of

1807
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:51,120
Speaker 1: your elementary school friends, and you know, these are guys

1808
01:44:51,240 --> 01:44:55,719
Speaker 1: that shoot, these are guys that friends that I played.

1809
01:44:55,800 --> 01:44:58,400
Speaker 1: I mean I I went to school with from literally

1810
01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:02,080
Speaker 1: kindergarten to eighth grade. And now they're telling me, oh,

1811
01:45:02,640 --> 01:45:04,960
Speaker 1: we're all planning on going to Inglewood or we're planning

1812
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:07,760
Speaker 1: on going to Culver City. And I'm looking back at

1813
01:45:07,800 --> 01:45:11,599
Speaker 1: them like, hey, does anybody want to go to Beverly Hills? Uh?

1814
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:14,360
Speaker 1: And there you know, I got laughed at, essentially. But

1815
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:16,479
Speaker 1: you know, although they knew that I was going, it

1816
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:19,400
Speaker 1: was still that Oh, you think you're gonna be better

1817
01:45:19,439 --> 01:45:22,240
Speaker 1: than us. You know, you're gonna turn into Oreo, or

1818
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:24,719
Speaker 1: you're gonna start talking wide, or you're gonna start listening

1819
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:27,519
Speaker 1: to rock music and whatnot, which I did. Rock music

1820
01:45:27,640 --> 01:45:29,559
Speaker 1: is just as good as any other form of music.

1821
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:34,679
Speaker 1: But uh, it was it was interesting because that wasn't

1822
01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:38,000
Speaker 1: that was in an era where you know, you kind

1823
01:45:38,040 --> 01:45:40,120
Speaker 1: of dished it as much as you took it. Um

1824
01:45:40,439 --> 01:45:42,200
Speaker 1: So when they when they were talking about me, I

1825
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:44,680
Speaker 1: just come back back at them with something about them.

1826
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:48,720
Speaker 1: So it wasn't it wasn't too too hard. But there

1827
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:52,439
Speaker 1: were friendships that just died because of that distance. You know,

1828
01:45:52,520 --> 01:45:56,000
Speaker 1: we didn't have social media like it is today. Um So,

1829
01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 1: I mean there are times where I'm lining up against

1830
01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:01,760
Speaker 1: you know a guy that I've known since we were

1831
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:05,479
Speaker 1: in diapers at Cobra City, and he's their number one

1832
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:09,360
Speaker 1: dB and I'm Beverly Hills number one receiver and now

1833
01:46:09,479 --> 01:46:11,599
Speaker 1: we have to hate each other for the next three hours,

1834
01:46:12,040 --> 01:46:14,400
Speaker 1: you know. So it's just it was just things like

1835
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:18,000
Speaker 1: that of just just being interested, just being just an

1836
01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:21,439
Speaker 1: interesting perspective on it. Okay, so you have had, you know,

1837
01:46:21,680 --> 01:46:25,000
Speaker 1: major success so so so far with All American You

1838
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:29,439
Speaker 1: guys just finished taping the third season. You know you're

1839
01:46:29,479 --> 01:46:33,320
Speaker 1: working on a second season. Okay, yeah, yeah, so well

1840
01:46:33,439 --> 01:46:36,120
Speaker 1: the second season just finished airing. I thought, did you

1841
01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:40,360
Speaker 1: finished the third season already? We know? We're actually writing

1842
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:43,599
Speaker 1: the third season now and we're set to begin filming

1843
01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:47,559
Speaker 1: the third season in July. Oh man, Look, listen, there

1844
01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:52,880
Speaker 1: is nothing that I'm hating about this coronavirus situation more

1845
01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:55,560
Speaker 1: than the fact that all the shows that I like

1846
01:46:55,840 --> 01:46:58,120
Speaker 1: are getting that that I feel like they're all getting

1847
01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:02,360
Speaker 1: pushed pushed back. I mean, we're that's how That's just

1848
01:47:02,439 --> 01:47:05,360
Speaker 1: how our schedule is. We actually, I'm not saying that

1849
01:47:05,479 --> 01:47:08,600
Speaker 1: we haven't been affected by Corona, but that's how it

1850
01:47:08,640 --> 01:47:11,600
Speaker 1: always happens. It's it's actually kind of eerie, how you know,

1851
01:47:11,960 --> 01:47:14,920
Speaker 1: retiring from football again into production. My schedule is somewhat

1852
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:19,320
Speaker 1: stuck to uh NFL schedule to where you know, we

1853
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:21,800
Speaker 1: you know, we start back up in the writer's room.

1854
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:25,519
Speaker 1: Uh usually it's in you know, mid May or so,

1855
01:47:26,160 --> 01:47:28,920
Speaker 1: which one could say that's like the start of springball.

1856
01:47:29,439 --> 01:47:31,439
Speaker 1: You know, we go for about two or three months,

1857
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:35,080
Speaker 1: and then we start filming in July and that's essentially

1858
01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:39,560
Speaker 1: fall camp. So from we filmed from July to mid January,

1859
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:42,160
Speaker 1: that's our technically our season, which is kind of like

1860
01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:45,880
Speaker 1: the NFL between August and January February, and then we're

1861
01:47:45,960 --> 01:47:51,240
Speaker 1: off on hiatus between that January to the beginning of

1862
01:47:51,320 --> 01:47:52,960
Speaker 1: mayor i mean the middle of May again to start

1863
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:56,000
Speaker 1: back up. So a lot of those dates of you know,

1864
01:47:56,120 --> 01:47:58,439
Speaker 1: reporting to camp and reporting to the writer's room and

1865
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:01,160
Speaker 1: whatnot actually a line up for the past two years,

1866
01:48:01,640 --> 01:48:08,800
Speaker 1: okay and what Okay, So so you're so you're having

1867
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:12,400
Speaker 1: success people like you know, Kobe won an Oscar for

1868
01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:16,120
Speaker 1: his short film with two years ago, Matthew Cherry just

1869
01:48:16,360 --> 01:48:18,880
Speaker 1: one for hair Love, who was a former NFL player.

1870
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:21,880
Speaker 1: He actually had a couple of coffee in Jacksonville with

1871
01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:26,719
Speaker 1: with me. So it was just it's actually really cool

1872
01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:30,960
Speaker 1: to to see, like, are are you looking for an Oscar,

1873
01:48:31,120 --> 01:48:34,240
Speaker 1: a Golden Globe? You know, an Emmy something? What is

1874
01:48:34,320 --> 01:48:37,960
Speaker 1: on the vision board for spencer phrasing here? I'm not sure.

1875
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it has been accomplished yet. But

1876
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:45,240
Speaker 1: I would love to be the first guy and get again,

1877
01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:47,280
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong out there anybody else listening,

1878
01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 1: But I would love to be the first person to

1879
01:48:49,439 --> 01:48:51,200
Speaker 1: whin it e got. But I had an S at

1880
01:48:51,240 --> 01:48:56,400
Speaker 1: the end, meaning a super Bowl, So technically okay, And

1881
01:48:57,120 --> 01:49:00,880
Speaker 1: and if people don't don't know, well the E got

1882
01:49:01,080 --> 01:49:06,000
Speaker 1: is it's what John John legend. He just accomplishment, accomplishment.

1883
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:10,040
Speaker 1: So you get an Emmy, a Grammy, an Oscar, a

1884
01:49:10,200 --> 01:49:14,559
Speaker 1: Tony Award yep, and then you get a Super Bowl ring. Yes,

1885
01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:17,960
Speaker 1: so you you are. I would go on a limb

1886
01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:20,920
Speaker 1: and say, yes, you are the first person to do

1887
01:49:21,080 --> 01:49:23,439
Speaker 1: that because the because the E GOT list is super short.

1888
01:49:24,200 --> 01:49:26,559
Speaker 1: It's it's short. And that's something that even when Kobe

1889
01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:30,240
Speaker 1: won his UH won his Oscar two years ago, I

1890
01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:34,000
Speaker 1: remember watching him win and his acceptance speech and just

1891
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:37,120
Speaker 1: you know, him being a guy that I've idolized since

1892
01:49:37,320 --> 01:49:41,960
Speaker 1: birth since like I mean nineties six was. I remember

1893
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:44,880
Speaker 1: watching him at the Forum and just watching this kid

1894
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:48,439
Speaker 1: grow into a man and you know, on up to

1895
01:49:48,479 --> 01:49:50,479
Speaker 1: his responsibilities on things, you know, on ap to a

1896
01:49:50,600 --> 01:49:53,639
Speaker 1: shortcomings and then and then thrive when it became time

1897
01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:57,240
Speaker 1: to thrive. To see somebody like that, you know, walk

1898
01:49:57,320 --> 01:49:59,719
Speaker 1: away from the one thing that you thought he couldn't

1899
01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:03,679
Speaker 1: live without, and then he saw him doing it, living

1900
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:07,320
Speaker 1: without basketball and diving put putting those same traits that

1901
01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:10,519
Speaker 1: he learned in folk, I mean in basketball into his

1902
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:14,360
Speaker 1: life after it was amazing. Um. And even when he

1903
01:50:14,479 --> 01:50:17,559
Speaker 1: wanted I remember, I tweeted him and I'll find the tweet. Uh.

1904
01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:20,479
Speaker 1: I told him, like, I'm I'll be up there with

1905
01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:22,680
Speaker 1: you one day, like I will win the Oscar too,

1906
01:50:22,720 --> 01:50:26,080
Speaker 1: and I'm fully expecting to im. I'm planning for and

1907
01:50:26,120 --> 01:50:29,320
Speaker 1: I'm working towards it. Um. It's something that I want.

1908
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:31,000
Speaker 1: I want to be in and of this industry and

1909
01:50:31,120 --> 01:50:33,000
Speaker 1: not just be you know, the guy that had a

1910
01:50:33,040 --> 01:50:35,280
Speaker 1: cool story on TV for a few years. To see

1911
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:39,960
Speaker 1: I noticed this. I noticed the change in your in

1912
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:44,040
Speaker 1: your thinking, your mindset, and your mentality when you were

1913
01:50:44,160 --> 01:50:46,920
Speaker 1: young you couldn't see yourself doing all these great things,

1914
01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:49,280
Speaker 1: or being a professional athlete or all the things that

1915
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:54,120
Speaker 1: have happened. Now you're talking about egots, So what what happened?

1916
01:50:54,160 --> 01:50:57,080
Speaker 1: Where is that transition from being able where you couldn't

1917
01:50:57,120 --> 01:51:00,200
Speaker 1: see yourself achieving all these wonderful and high achieve even

1918
01:51:00,280 --> 01:51:04,240
Speaker 1: great things to to now you're you're like, no, this

1919
01:51:04,479 --> 01:51:09,560
Speaker 1: is what I'm doing well I attributed to. It's not

1920
01:51:09,640 --> 01:51:11,720
Speaker 1: that I'm not gonna say I exactly know where it

1921
01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:15,680
Speaker 1: came from, but I know there there are moments that

1922
01:51:15,800 --> 01:51:20,040
Speaker 1: have happened in my football career that I knew once

1923
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:22,040
Speaker 1: I got into a new industry that I wasn't going

1924
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:25,320
Speaker 1: to let happen again. Whether that was being you know,

1925
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:30,960
Speaker 1: um ah, not being like all packed all packed ten

1926
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:35,120
Speaker 1: at the time, or going undrafted, or you know, getting

1927
01:51:35,200 --> 01:51:38,760
Speaker 1: tendered my third year with the Giants, after my fourth

1928
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:41,679
Speaker 1: year with the Giants, after starting you know, thirteen games

1929
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:44,000
Speaker 1: with them and playing pretty well and then telling me

1930
01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:47,160
Speaker 1: how you played really well, but we want to give

1931
01:51:47,200 --> 01:51:50,640
Speaker 1: the guy that we drafted an opportunity over you. Um So,

1932
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:52,880
Speaker 1: just a lot of a lot of those moments of

1933
01:51:53,439 --> 01:51:56,360
Speaker 1: not you know, being passed over or you know, not

1934
01:51:56,560 --> 01:51:58,560
Speaker 1: being somewhat value to how I thought I should be.

1935
01:51:58,720 --> 01:52:00,400
Speaker 1: And by all it means like sometimes times it was

1936
01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:02,880
Speaker 1: they were absolutely right. You know, some things that happened

1937
01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:04,800
Speaker 1: to me happened because they were supposed to happen. And

1938
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:07,439
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this out of a I'm not wanting

1939
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:09,880
Speaker 1: to succeed out of any type of like vendetta that

1940
01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:13,479
Speaker 1: I have against any organization or or idea against me.

1941
01:52:13,960 --> 01:52:16,639
Speaker 1: But I just knew once I got into another industry

1942
01:52:17,280 --> 01:52:20,080
Speaker 1: that I was going to capitalize as much as I

1943
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:22,240
Speaker 1: could on it. So it's not so much being that

1944
01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:26,000
Speaker 1: the passive you know, special teamer um you know that

1945
01:52:26,120 --> 01:52:28,479
Speaker 1: can play all three positions and you know he does

1946
01:52:28,600 --> 01:52:31,720
Speaker 1: his job. You know, I want to be the guy

1947
01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:35,120
Speaker 1: in this industry and akin to Ah, you know, like

1948
01:52:35,160 --> 01:52:37,720
Speaker 1: Ava Duvena, how she is putting on for you know,

1949
01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:40,519
Speaker 1: female directors, female writers. I would love to be that

1950
01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:43,400
Speaker 1: person for athletes, you know, to be that to be

1951
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:46,679
Speaker 1: that Jet Apatow or that Ava duven A or Adam

1952
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:49,040
Speaker 1: McKay or whatnot. I would love to to kind of

1953
01:52:49,120 --> 01:52:51,519
Speaker 1: bridge that gap just a little bit better when it

1954
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:55,639
Speaker 1: came to educating and working with professional athletes in the industry.

1955
01:52:56,560 --> 01:52:59,800
Speaker 1: What do you say to young too, young boys who

1956
01:53:00,200 --> 01:53:05,360
Speaker 1: are at Crenshaw, who are living in Inglewood, Watts Compton, where, Paquama,

1957
01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:11,560
Speaker 1: where wherever these kind of like socio economically disadvantages, disadvantaged

1958
01:53:11,640 --> 01:53:16,000
Speaker 1: situations sometimes are, or where the arts aren't cultivator, or

1959
01:53:16,160 --> 01:53:21,040
Speaker 1: anywhere where you see people where they only see you know, rapper,

1960
01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:27,240
Speaker 1: athlete or actor as possibilities for having a successful career

1961
01:53:27,400 --> 01:53:29,880
Speaker 1: life and a career path. Where now you're not I

1962
01:53:29,920 --> 01:53:32,040
Speaker 1: mean like you're barely on the show, Like you're not

1963
01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:35,600
Speaker 1: like a character on the show. I mean, but you

1964
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:40,080
Speaker 1: are significant in the process. Yeah, I mean, I think

1965
01:53:40,120 --> 01:53:42,840
Speaker 1: a lot of when it comes to just sports in general. Uh,

1966
01:53:43,080 --> 01:53:46,439
Speaker 1: sports is on such a high pedestal within the community

1967
01:53:46,560 --> 01:53:49,200
Speaker 1: that it makes no sense when you really think about it.

1968
01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:51,519
Speaker 1: Where you know, if they're saying less than one percent

1969
01:53:51,600 --> 01:53:54,519
Speaker 1: of of you know, people that played high school and

1970
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:57,599
Speaker 1: college sports can make it in the in a professional league.

1971
01:53:58,280 --> 01:54:00,519
Speaker 1: You know, if you're saying less than one percent, that

1972
01:54:00,640 --> 01:54:03,120
Speaker 1: should tell you, hey, maybe you should focus on something else,

1973
01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:06,000
Speaker 1: Maybe you should do something else. But we as a community,

1974
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:08,880
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not saying we like this, we like

1975
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:11,320
Speaker 1: that struggle. We like the idea of proving people wrong.

1976
01:54:11,800 --> 01:54:13,639
Speaker 1: Not to say that, not to say that that's wrong.

1977
01:54:14,320 --> 01:54:16,880
Speaker 1: But when kids hit me up and they say, how

1978
01:54:16,920 --> 01:54:18,680
Speaker 1: can I be better at football? How can I do this?

1979
01:54:18,840 --> 01:54:22,080
Speaker 1: You know, my dems are flooded with those responses right now,

1980
01:54:22,080 --> 01:54:23,720
Speaker 1: and I we do them as much as I can.

1981
01:54:24,520 --> 01:54:27,880
Speaker 1: But as I try to get past the how can

1982
01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:30,439
Speaker 1: I be a better football player or basketball player or

1983
01:54:30,520 --> 01:54:32,880
Speaker 1: just athlete in general, I get past that conversation as

1984
01:54:32,920 --> 01:54:35,520
Speaker 1: fast as I can and ask them, you know, what

1985
01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:37,480
Speaker 1: are your hobbies? What do you like to do in

1986
01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:39,720
Speaker 1: your spare time? Do you like to write? Do you

1987
01:54:39,800 --> 01:54:42,360
Speaker 1: like to read? Do you oh you like science? Or this?

1988
01:54:42,600 --> 01:54:45,240
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And you know, sometimes I've

1989
01:54:45,240 --> 01:54:49,360
Speaker 1: even looked up on on on Yelp or Google things

1990
01:54:49,400 --> 01:54:51,720
Speaker 1: that they're interested in in their neighborhoods and say, hey,

1991
01:54:51,760 --> 01:54:53,840
Speaker 1: did you know that there's a if somebody's interested in science,

1992
01:54:53,880 --> 01:54:56,560
Speaker 1: Hey did you know that there's a museum that's offering

1993
01:54:56,640 --> 01:54:59,800
Speaker 1: science classes, that's offering internships that that's literally three miles

1994
01:55:00,120 --> 01:55:03,840
Speaker 1: from you. It's all about for me taking sports off

1995
01:55:03,880 --> 01:55:07,160
Speaker 1: of the pedestal in my community, and you know, propping

1996
01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:09,720
Speaker 1: up some of these other professions. You know, I've I've

1997
01:55:09,760 --> 01:55:12,880
Speaker 1: done a handful of career days with KIP public schools

1998
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:15,920
Speaker 1: out in South Central And when I talk to the kids,

1999
01:55:16,720 --> 01:55:19,040
Speaker 1: especially when I get when I get introduced, I tell them,

2000
01:55:19,080 --> 01:55:21,320
Speaker 1: don't introduce me as a football player. Don't introduce me

2001
01:55:21,440 --> 01:55:24,200
Speaker 1: as a as a Super Bowl champion, introduced me as

2002
01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:27,480
Speaker 1: a TV producer, Because if I tell you, or if

2003
01:55:27,520 --> 01:55:30,560
Speaker 1: I introduced myself as a football player, you only want

2004
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:32,520
Speaker 1: to talk about one thing from now on. And I

2005
01:55:32,600 --> 01:55:34,840
Speaker 1: can say, I can say five or ten other things

2006
01:55:34,880 --> 01:55:37,120
Speaker 1: that I've done, but you're going to go back to, hey,

2007
01:55:37,240 --> 01:55:39,520
Speaker 1: have you ever tackled Marshawn Lynch? Have you ever done

2008
01:55:39,560 --> 01:55:41,240
Speaker 1: this or that? And now we're not getting into an

2009
01:55:41,280 --> 01:55:44,920
Speaker 1: actual conversation that I think the kids could benefit from.

2010
01:55:45,400 --> 01:55:47,320
Speaker 1: So that's my game plan. And you know when these

2011
01:55:47,400 --> 01:55:50,120
Speaker 1: kids hit me up is to say, yeah, sports, sports,

2012
01:55:50,160 --> 01:55:52,160
Speaker 1: that's great. You know whatever, what do you like to

2013
01:55:52,240 --> 01:55:54,880
Speaker 1: do outside of what? Who are you outside of the game?

2014
01:55:55,240 --> 01:55:57,600
Speaker 1: And actually, I've had a lot of good conversations, um,

2015
01:55:58,680 --> 01:56:01,880
Speaker 1: a lot of honest conversations. Well, I think that that

2016
01:56:01,960 --> 01:56:04,880
Speaker 1: speaks to something that you said earlier about that your

2017
01:56:04,960 --> 01:56:08,080
Speaker 1: best days should be that as an athlete, you should

2018
01:56:08,120 --> 01:56:10,600
Speaker 1: always feel like your best days are ahead of you

2019
01:56:10,960 --> 01:56:13,680
Speaker 1: after you finished playing. And a lot of times people

2020
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:16,960
Speaker 1: think that because you're famous or making good money at

2021
01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:19,640
Speaker 1: that point in time, that that is the pinnacle of

2022
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:23,400
Speaker 1: your of your life. And I remember somebody saying it,

2023
01:56:23,480 --> 01:56:25,120
Speaker 1: saying to me that I had a little bit of

2024
01:56:25,200 --> 01:56:30,760
Speaker 1: a civil dispute with oh, well, your your best days

2025
01:56:30,760 --> 01:56:33,840
Speaker 1: are behind you anyway, and that run in my head.

2026
01:56:33,880 --> 01:56:36,200
Speaker 1: I was like, Hell, no, they're not like and and

2027
01:56:36,320 --> 01:56:39,800
Speaker 1: my wife is just a good echo chamber for that

2028
01:56:40,120 --> 01:56:42,960
Speaker 1: in in my life where I'm like where she's like

2029
01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:45,280
Speaker 1: when we first met, she was like, George, your best

2030
01:56:45,360 --> 01:56:48,160
Speaker 1: days are not behind you. Your best days are in

2031
01:56:48,240 --> 01:56:50,400
Speaker 1: front of you. And I was just like, just that

2032
01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:54,720
Speaker 1: change in perspective that I didn't even realize was was

2033
01:56:54,840 --> 01:56:59,720
Speaker 1: there was huge for me. Yeah, I had remember like

2034
01:57:00,040 --> 01:57:05,320
Speaker 1: was yesterday it was And I won't disclose the the athlete,

2035
01:57:05,520 --> 01:57:09,960
Speaker 1: but I'm standing there with with Kenny Stills and We're

2036
01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:12,800
Speaker 1: in the middle of practice. It's it's a dog day practice,

2037
01:57:13,640 --> 01:57:16,440
Speaker 1: and you know, the guys are joking around because you know,

2038
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:19,360
Speaker 1: just to cut attention in the in the Miami heat.

2039
01:57:19,960 --> 01:57:22,800
Speaker 1: But we fell into a conversation with a player and

2040
01:57:23,720 --> 01:57:25,480
Speaker 1: they were kind of making a joke that you know,

2041
01:57:25,640 --> 01:57:28,200
Speaker 1: this was these are the best days we ever have,

2042
01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:32,080
Speaker 1: and you know, let's let's keep pushing forward because none

2043
01:57:32,120 --> 01:57:34,520
Speaker 1: of y'all are going to make more money out of

2044
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:37,640
Speaker 1: the league and in the league and X y Z

2045
01:57:38,440 --> 01:57:40,880
Speaker 1: that's why. Yeah, it was like he was like, that's

2046
01:57:40,920 --> 01:57:42,880
Speaker 1: why we need to push because you're all gonna be

2047
01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:46,600
Speaker 1: broke afterwards, and blah blah blah, and me and Kenny

2048
01:57:46,680 --> 01:57:48,880
Speaker 1: Stills are standing there and we look at each other.

2049
01:57:48,920 --> 01:57:50,680
Speaker 1: It's almost like me and Kenny had the same thought

2050
01:57:50,720 --> 01:57:53,320
Speaker 1: at our head. We started laughing and me and we

2051
01:57:53,480 --> 01:57:55,480
Speaker 1: both looked at him and we're like, wait, what did

2052
01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:57,600
Speaker 1: you just say. He's like, yeah, y'all heard me. You're

2053
01:57:57,640 --> 01:57:59,240
Speaker 1: not gonna you're not gonna make You're not gonna be

2054
01:57:59,280 --> 01:58:02,000
Speaker 1: a successful enough money out of the league then you

2055
01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:04,000
Speaker 1: do in the leagues, Like this is why we gotta practice.

2056
01:58:04,840 --> 01:58:08,520
Speaker 1: And we're like, no, we we practice because we want

2057
01:58:08,560 --> 01:58:13,640
Speaker 1: to be great. But don't make no mistake. Football is

2058
01:58:13,800 --> 01:58:17,000
Speaker 1: just the beginning. Like I'll make ten, fifteen, a hundred

2059
01:58:17,000 --> 01:58:19,160
Speaker 1: times for money out of the league, and i will

2060
01:58:19,240 --> 01:58:22,360
Speaker 1: in the league. And he could not understand. He thought,

2061
01:58:22,400 --> 01:58:26,120
Speaker 1: I like cursed his family because you know, he was

2062
01:58:26,280 --> 01:58:29,680
Speaker 1: laughing and bringing other people into the conversation, and I

2063
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:31,440
Speaker 1: was like, man, look at these like these guys think

2064
01:58:31,480 --> 01:58:34,320
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And again me and Kenny are looking

2065
01:58:34,360 --> 01:58:36,960
Speaker 1: at each other like wow, like this is how some

2066
01:58:37,080 --> 01:58:40,320
Speaker 1: of these guys thinking the league, Like they truly think

2067
01:58:40,440 --> 01:58:43,120
Speaker 1: that that's their plateau. And that's like once they're done

2068
01:58:43,160 --> 01:58:45,440
Speaker 1: with that, they're going to ride off into the sunset.

2069
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:48,640
Speaker 1: But again, you know, you're thirty three years old, thirty

2070
01:58:48,680 --> 01:58:51,080
Speaker 1: four years old and you just have time on your hands.

2071
01:58:51,680 --> 01:58:54,760
Speaker 1: That's not good for anybody. No idle idle hands is

2072
01:58:54,840 --> 01:58:59,280
Speaker 1: the devil's playground. But I wanted to get to the

2073
01:58:59,400 --> 01:59:05,240
Speaker 1: show a little bit, and um and so and so so.

2074
01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:09,640
Speaker 1: Spencer James has obviously had you know, a a run

2075
01:59:09,760 --> 01:59:13,240
Speaker 1: at it where you know, he left his father wasn't

2076
01:59:13,680 --> 01:59:15,800
Speaker 1: wasn't there. And I want to know, like how much

2077
01:59:16,040 --> 01:59:21,400
Speaker 1: of his father's situation situation where you said that your

2078
01:59:21,440 --> 01:59:23,400
Speaker 1: father was away coaching and all that stuff, how much

2079
01:59:23,440 --> 01:59:25,840
Speaker 1: of that kind of not I'll just use the word

2080
01:59:25,920 --> 01:59:30,560
Speaker 1: like daddy issue. Things like factor into Spencer James on

2081
01:59:30,600 --> 01:59:35,440
Speaker 1: the show, I think greatly. I think he's absolutely you know,

2082
01:59:35,480 --> 01:59:39,560
Speaker 1: Spencer James has driven to to succeed, not in spite

2083
01:59:39,640 --> 01:59:43,400
Speaker 1: of anybody, but just to kind of see if everything

2084
01:59:43,480 --> 01:59:46,880
Speaker 1: that he's gone through, everything that he's put himself through

2085
01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:49,360
Speaker 1: and his friends have put him through, you know, has

2086
01:59:49,400 --> 01:59:50,880
Speaker 1: a payoff at the end of the road. You know,

2087
01:59:51,280 --> 01:59:55,720
Speaker 1: especially in within season one. Um, you know he was

2088
01:59:55,880 --> 01:59:58,760
Speaker 1: he was driven because he wanted to prove his dad wrong.

2089
01:59:58,920 --> 02:00:01,360
Speaker 1: He wanted to say, you know, you were wrong in

2090
02:00:01,480 --> 02:00:04,800
Speaker 1: leaving and growing up, I had the same I had

2091
02:00:04,840 --> 02:00:06,880
Speaker 1: those same ideas. I had the same moments. I mean,

2092
02:00:07,440 --> 02:00:11,280
Speaker 1: being thirteen years old and your family going from you know,

2093
02:00:12,160 --> 02:00:14,360
Speaker 1: a house of five to a house of three in

2094
02:00:14,520 --> 02:00:18,160
Speaker 1: one summer. And now not only are you, you know,

2095
02:00:18,320 --> 02:00:21,960
Speaker 1: just entering puberty and understanding who you are and what

2096
02:00:22,120 --> 02:00:24,440
Speaker 1: your footing could potentially be as a man in this world,

2097
02:00:25,000 --> 02:00:29,120
Speaker 1: but the two biggest influences on essentially what a man

2098
02:00:29,440 --> 02:00:32,520
Speaker 1: is in your life are out the door, you know.

2099
02:00:32,760 --> 02:00:36,200
Speaker 1: So that was something for me growing up that you know,

2100
02:00:36,240 --> 02:00:38,080
Speaker 1: I had a hard time with a little bit um.

2101
02:00:38,720 --> 02:00:41,360
Speaker 1: But again I go back to my uncle. My uncle

2102
02:00:41,480 --> 02:00:43,520
Speaker 1: is at that kind of circling the wagons around me

2103
02:00:43,600 --> 02:00:46,040
Speaker 1: because they saw it in me, and they saw that, Hey,

2104
02:00:46,080 --> 02:00:49,000
Speaker 1: if you if you want to be good like you

2105
02:00:49,040 --> 02:00:51,520
Speaker 1: don't have to lead with hate. Um. And I think

2106
02:00:51,560 --> 02:00:53,880
Speaker 1: we're getting to a place with Spencer James and the

2107
02:00:53,960 --> 02:00:57,839
Speaker 1: show to where you know, everything is not a fight anymore.

2108
02:00:57,960 --> 02:01:00,360
Speaker 1: You know, he's moving out of out of love for

2109
02:01:00,520 --> 02:01:03,160
Speaker 1: the game and love for his father, then out of

2110
02:01:03,240 --> 02:01:06,640
Speaker 1: hate to prove them wrong. So I've been wondering this

2111
02:01:06,840 --> 02:01:09,000
Speaker 1: question since the beginning of the show. I know that

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Speaker 1: you married your your you personally, Spencer pay singers, you

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02:01:13,280 --> 02:01:18,360
Speaker 1: married your high school sweetheart Blair. In the show, Uh,

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02:01:18,400 --> 02:01:22,960
Speaker 1: Spencer James is with Layla. Layla has had her you know,

2115
02:01:23,200 --> 02:01:25,280
Speaker 1: ups and downs. But at first I thought it was

2116
02:01:25,320 --> 02:01:28,960
Speaker 1: gonna be Olivia, Olivia Baker who liked you at first,

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02:01:29,080 --> 02:01:31,400
Speaker 1: but then that kind of went down a different path.

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Speaker 1: So so is so he's your wife portrayed in the show.

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Speaker 1: I'm keeping that close to my chest. Um. I will say,

2120
02:01:44,040 --> 02:01:47,160
Speaker 1: this is the common misconception and and you can you

2121
02:01:47,240 --> 02:01:49,560
Speaker 1: can cut this, make it how you want. If if

2122
02:01:49,600 --> 02:01:52,080
Speaker 1: this is the piece that goes out to the internet,

2123
02:01:53,520 --> 02:01:57,080
Speaker 1: my wife was not my high school sweetheart. My wife

2124
02:01:57,200 --> 02:02:01,040
Speaker 1: was actually just one of my friends and a group

2125
02:02:01,120 --> 02:02:04,520
Speaker 1: of friends that I came up with in high school. Like,

2126
02:02:04,640 --> 02:02:07,680
Speaker 1: we never in high school. I'm talking the first ten

2127
02:02:07,800 --> 02:02:11,320
Speaker 1: years I know I've known her. We never even thought

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02:02:11,360 --> 02:02:14,080
Speaker 1: about getting together. There were never any of those moments

2129
02:02:14,160 --> 02:02:17,480
Speaker 1: there were there were, there was never anything that could

2130
02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:20,720
Speaker 1: have lended itself to be hey, I can see those

2131
02:02:20,720 --> 02:02:24,720
Speaker 1: two getting together. It wasn't until my last year playing

2132
02:02:24,760 --> 02:02:28,480
Speaker 1: in college and her junior year in college. She went

2133
02:02:28,560 --> 02:02:32,200
Speaker 1: to school in UH in San Francisco. That's when it

2134
02:02:32,360 --> 02:02:35,520
Speaker 1: kind of became something of like, hey, do you want

2135
02:02:35,560 --> 02:02:38,840
Speaker 1: to hang out. I'll be back in town from you know,

2136
02:02:39,280 --> 02:02:42,520
Speaker 1: Christmas break or for Spring break. Let's go out to eat,

2137
02:02:42,600 --> 02:02:44,480
Speaker 1: or let's just hang out with friends, and from their

2138
02:02:44,640 --> 02:02:47,680
Speaker 1: kind of steam road into the relationship that it is today.

2139
02:02:48,280 --> 02:02:51,240
Speaker 1: But that's the difference. A lot of people think, oh,

2140
02:02:51,320 --> 02:02:54,120
Speaker 1: high school sweetheart. I'm like, no, we just knew each

2141
02:02:54,120 --> 02:02:56,000
Speaker 1: other in high school. We went to parties together. We

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02:02:56,520 --> 02:02:58,960
Speaker 1: I used to give her advice on her boyfriends, and

2143
02:02:59,000 --> 02:03:00,960
Speaker 1: she used to give me advice and my girlfriends like

2144
02:03:01,520 --> 02:03:04,280
Speaker 1: like that was she was the homie back then. And

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02:03:04,560 --> 02:03:07,800
Speaker 1: again it wasn't until my tenth year put in my

2146
02:03:07,880 --> 02:03:11,960
Speaker 1: tenth year knowing her. Um that it was like, oh, well,

2147
02:03:12,200 --> 02:03:14,440
Speaker 1: let's I mean, this could be something that he was

2148
02:03:14,520 --> 02:03:17,480
Speaker 1: playing a long game. Man, that's that sounds like that.

2149
02:03:17,680 --> 02:03:21,040
Speaker 1: She wouldn't. He wasn't on the Spencer train. And then

2150
02:03:21,520 --> 02:03:23,680
Speaker 1: then she finally came around and seeing it throw away

2151
02:03:24,320 --> 02:03:27,560
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely not there. There was no long game. There

2152
02:03:27,720 --> 02:03:30,760
Speaker 1: was no there was The long game came when we

2153
02:03:30,920 --> 02:03:34,920
Speaker 1: finally agreed that this was something back in two thousand,

2154
02:03:35,800 --> 02:03:39,040
Speaker 1: ten eleven. But from two thousand it was I met

2155
02:03:39,080 --> 02:03:43,320
Speaker 1: her summer of two thousand three. From then till two

2156
02:03:43,360 --> 02:03:46,120
Speaker 1: thousand and ten eleven, there was no long game. There

2157
02:03:46,240 --> 02:03:50,400
Speaker 1: was no we She was literally just a friend. Okay,

2158
02:03:50,920 --> 02:03:53,240
Speaker 1: so we'll we'll. We'll end with a couple of questions

2159
02:03:53,440 --> 02:03:58,760
Speaker 1: from from people on social media. Um, where did you

2160
02:03:59,000 --> 02:04:04,800
Speaker 1: get the nickname spityp oh Man? I was from one

2161
02:04:04,880 --> 02:04:07,760
Speaker 1: of my closest friends high school friend. Uh, this is

2162
02:04:07,800 --> 02:04:11,800
Speaker 1: when I was starting Twitter and I didn't want to

2163
02:04:11,840 --> 02:04:13,520
Speaker 1: get Twitter. I didn't know what it was at the time.

2164
02:04:13,520 --> 02:04:16,360
Speaker 1: It's my senior year in high stool in college and

2165
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:19,520
Speaker 1: I was I hit up my friends like Hey, I'm

2166
02:04:19,520 --> 02:04:21,440
Speaker 1: gonna get a Twitter. It's my last year at Oregon.

2167
02:04:21,520 --> 02:04:25,200
Speaker 1: Why not, you know, let's chronicle this. And since high

2168
02:04:25,240 --> 02:04:27,640
Speaker 1: school my friends called me spitty P and I was

2169
02:04:27,760 --> 02:04:32,600
Speaker 1: just there's no real rhyme or reason for it. Damon Franklin. Uh,

2170
02:04:33,160 --> 02:04:35,200
Speaker 1: he's the one that just kept calling me spitty P,

2171
02:04:35,360 --> 02:04:38,440
Speaker 1: one of my closest friends. And when when I signed

2172
02:04:38,480 --> 02:04:42,520
Speaker 1: on to Twitter, I just heard his voice and it

2173
02:04:42,720 --> 02:04:47,600
Speaker 1: just that's set of stuck. Okay, that's a good one. Um. Oh,

2174
02:04:48,240 --> 02:04:53,320
Speaker 1: when are you going to have the show show some

2175
02:04:53,560 --> 02:04:57,760
Speaker 1: duck love instead of U c l A. Ah man, Uh,

2176
02:04:58,080 --> 02:04:59,760
Speaker 1: it's it's funny. I got I got hit up a

2177
02:04:59,800 --> 02:05:02,280
Speaker 1: lot when people saw Chip Kelly and and the U

2178
02:05:02,360 --> 02:05:06,800
Speaker 1: c l A polo. Um. But we we've actually had

2179
02:05:06,920 --> 02:05:10,000
Speaker 1: a few conversations in the riding's room about the different

2180
02:05:10,040 --> 02:05:13,920
Speaker 1: influences we can have which with college programs and literally

2181
02:05:14,080 --> 02:05:16,240
Speaker 1: the day this is why I think I think Organ

2182
02:05:16,280 --> 02:05:19,280
Speaker 1: actually has my phone tap because the day that we

2183
02:05:19,360 --> 02:05:22,080
Speaker 1: got approved by Chip an E c l A that

2184
02:05:22,200 --> 02:05:25,400
Speaker 1: we could shoot at U c l A and use him, Um,

2185
02:05:26,280 --> 02:05:31,000
Speaker 1: Justin Fisher with you know yeah, I know, yeah, he

2186
02:05:31,160 --> 02:05:32,640
Speaker 1: hit me and I talked to Justin shout out to

2187
02:05:33,040 --> 02:05:36,240
Speaker 1: like we we talked all the time. Um, but he

2188
02:05:36,400 --> 02:05:38,760
Speaker 1: hits me up. Same day, we gotta we gotta prove

2189
02:05:38,840 --> 02:05:40,360
Speaker 1: to use U c l A. It was like, hey, man,

2190
02:05:40,400 --> 02:05:42,120
Speaker 1: how can we get a how can we get an

2191
02:05:42,160 --> 02:05:45,160
Speaker 1: Oregan influence on on all American? You know it would

2192
02:05:45,160 --> 02:05:46,880
Speaker 1: be it would be really cool, especially since you went

2193
02:05:46,920 --> 02:05:49,040
Speaker 1: there blah blah blah like and I was like, man,

2194
02:05:49,080 --> 02:05:52,120
Speaker 1: this is a crazy coincidence that and and literally the

2195
02:05:52,200 --> 02:05:54,640
Speaker 1: same day U l A and Oregon. What are you talking?

2196
02:05:54,680 --> 02:05:57,720
Speaker 1: That's not a coincidence, man, Is that people that work

2197
02:05:57,800 --> 02:06:00,880
Speaker 1: the same building in another building a phone call happened

2198
02:06:00,920 --> 02:06:03,400
Speaker 1: and they're like, you ain't gonna leave us out. Um?

2199
02:06:04,040 --> 02:06:08,800
Speaker 1: What was your favorite Oregon memory? Uniform combo or something

2200
02:06:08,840 --> 02:06:15,880
Speaker 1: like that? Um? Favorite Oregon memory? Um? Man, I would

2201
02:06:15,960 --> 02:06:19,440
Speaker 1: say there's two. There was when I believe it was

2202
02:06:19,520 --> 02:06:21,840
Speaker 1: in I want to say either it had to be No.

2203
02:06:22,000 --> 02:06:25,600
Speaker 1: Eight because I was oh no, actually oh seven. So

2204
02:06:25,680 --> 02:06:28,360
Speaker 1: Dennis Dixon's senior year when he was on a tear

2205
02:06:28,480 --> 02:06:33,600
Speaker 1: and we beat USC at home. Um, that was that

2206
02:06:33,800 --> 02:06:38,880
Speaker 1: was like my first experience of like this is fucking insane.

2207
02:06:39,600 --> 02:06:43,120
Speaker 1: Just the game, the the tension leading up to the game,

2208
02:06:43,360 --> 02:06:46,280
Speaker 1: during the game, after the game, the parties, the night.

2209
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Speaker 1: It was just such a wild experience. I remember being

2210
02:06:49,200 --> 02:06:51,640
Speaker 1: in there like this is this is college, this is

2211
02:06:51,720 --> 02:06:54,200
Speaker 1: college on the top program, which I which I loved

2212
02:06:54,200 --> 02:06:57,200
Speaker 1: and I still think about to this day. My second experience,

2213
02:06:57,240 --> 02:07:05,000
Speaker 1: my second favorite moment, was walking walking into Corvallis when

2214
02:07:05,160 --> 02:07:09,000
Speaker 1: we're essentially a lot for the National Championship against Auburn,

2215
02:07:09,680 --> 02:07:14,080
Speaker 1: knowing that midway through the season, guys that guys on Oregon,

2216
02:07:14,720 --> 02:07:17,160
Speaker 1: we're looking at the SEC and we're looking at cam

2217
02:07:17,280 --> 02:07:21,000
Speaker 1: Newton and we're going it's only going to play out

2218
02:07:21,040 --> 02:07:23,960
Speaker 1: to us playing Auburn. There's no other like, that's just

2219
02:07:24,080 --> 02:07:26,280
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. We have to get through cor

2220
02:07:26,400 --> 02:07:31,840
Speaker 1: Alice and walking into that stadium and knowing that there's

2221
02:07:31,960 --> 02:07:35,880
Speaker 1: no way the Beavers could potentially side relics like that.

2222
02:07:36,160 --> 02:07:42,200
Speaker 1: It just wasn't in their cars. Statistically, metaphorically, philosophically, there's

2223
02:07:42,200 --> 02:07:44,120
Speaker 1: there's no way that they could have took us away

2224
02:07:44,160 --> 02:07:46,760
Speaker 1: from our goal of reaching the national championship. And it

2225
02:07:46,880 --> 02:07:48,520
Speaker 1: goes back to even the first player of the game,

2226
02:07:48,600 --> 02:07:50,960
Speaker 1: where you know, we're seeing Casey on a blitz on

2227
02:07:51,000 --> 02:07:55,480
Speaker 1: the left side and he absolutely destroys Ryan Katz almost

2228
02:07:55,960 --> 02:07:58,040
Speaker 1: you know, five ft away from picking off that first

2229
02:07:58,120 --> 02:08:02,360
Speaker 1: pass on the tip ball from from Casey Hittingham. But

2230
02:08:02,880 --> 02:08:04,800
Speaker 1: that was sort of the first plan. I was like,

2231
02:08:06,120 --> 02:08:07,400
Speaker 1: this is what the game is going to be like

2232
02:08:07,640 --> 02:08:09,680
Speaker 1: for the entire three hours that you guys are out

2233
02:08:09,760 --> 02:08:13,800
Speaker 1: here and there's nowhere you guys can go because we're

2234
02:08:13,840 --> 02:08:15,920
Speaker 1: on a mission right now to get sen national championship.

2235
02:08:16,440 --> 02:08:19,120
Speaker 1: And once we did it, once we did it, and

2236
02:08:19,280 --> 02:08:22,040
Speaker 1: was in the locker room celebrating and to celebrate it.

2237
02:08:23,000 --> 02:08:29,120
Speaker 1: To celebrate it there in their locker room are heated rivals.

2238
02:08:29,600 --> 02:08:32,160
Speaker 1: To know that we're essentially going to national championship on

2239
02:08:32,320 --> 02:08:35,360
Speaker 1: their backs essentially, that just made it that much better.

2240
02:08:35,760 --> 02:08:39,680
Speaker 1: Ralph Spencer aheaded a lot of things, Like I just

2241
02:08:39,760 --> 02:08:42,760
Speaker 1: thought it was crazy the fact that he did not

2242
02:08:43,120 --> 02:08:46,920
Speaker 1: believe that despite having a brother play at San Jose

2243
02:08:47,160 --> 02:08:50,280
Speaker 1: State and all of that, he didn't believe that he

2244
02:08:50,480 --> 02:08:55,880
Speaker 1: could be an NFL player. But now after like coming

2245
02:08:56,000 --> 02:08:59,440
Speaker 1: from where he came from, but now he's looking at

2246
02:08:59,480 --> 02:09:01,360
Speaker 1: things and he is like that that he wants to

2247
02:09:01,440 --> 02:09:04,120
Speaker 1: be the first player to be the first person to

2248
02:09:04,200 --> 02:09:07,440
Speaker 1: be an Ecotts, to win an Emmy, a Grammy and

2249
02:09:07,640 --> 02:09:11,880
Speaker 1: Oscar a Tony and have a Super Bowl ring I

2250
02:09:12,040 --> 02:09:15,480
Speaker 1: just thought that that was crazy, how your perspective can

2251
02:09:15,680 --> 02:09:19,880
Speaker 1: change on and you're limiting beliefs about yourself and your

2252
02:09:20,360 --> 02:09:26,560
Speaker 1: potential for your future just being in different environments. Yeah,

2253
02:09:26,840 --> 02:09:29,320
Speaker 1: I mean I I was. I was talking to my

2254
02:09:29,400 --> 02:09:32,480
Speaker 1: wife UM a couple of a couple of days ago,

2255
02:09:33,480 --> 02:09:36,440
Speaker 1: and and I was telling her, you know, I feel

2256
02:09:36,520 --> 02:09:39,640
Speaker 1: like I feel like I'm hanging in there in in

2257
02:09:39,760 --> 02:09:42,480
Speaker 1: the crazy time that we're in because you know, I

2258
02:09:42,560 --> 02:09:46,120
Speaker 1: didn't have the easiest start two things. So every day

2259
02:09:46,280 --> 02:09:48,480
Speaker 1: I wake up and I'm like, oh my god, this

2260
02:09:48,760 --> 02:09:51,880
Speaker 1: life that I have, I could do anything. If I

2261
02:09:51,920 --> 02:09:54,920
Speaker 1: could do this, I could do absolutely anything. And I

2262
02:09:55,040 --> 02:09:58,200
Speaker 1: think that what once you once you are able to

2263
02:09:59,240 --> 02:10:02,080
Speaker 1: succeed in something, once you put in the work and

2264
02:10:02,200 --> 02:10:06,080
Speaker 1: you're able to master it and you develop just those

2265
02:10:06,200 --> 02:10:11,280
Speaker 1: skills of mastering and art, those things translate because you

2266
02:10:11,440 --> 02:10:16,240
Speaker 1: realize it's a showing up, be working hard and see

2267
02:10:16,840 --> 02:10:20,120
Speaker 1: making sure that you tend to bridges and into the

2268
02:10:20,200 --> 02:10:24,160
Speaker 1: metaphorical metaphorical infrastructure that can help get you from one

2269
02:10:24,160 --> 02:10:27,000
Speaker 1: place to another and not not burning bridges. Right, So,

2270
02:10:27,200 --> 02:10:31,120
Speaker 1: once you realize that those are the tools, you can

2271
02:10:31,160 --> 02:10:33,040
Speaker 1: turn around and you can do something else. It's like

2272
02:10:33,080 --> 02:10:35,920
Speaker 1: if somebody you know decides to d I y a

2273
02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:39,760
Speaker 1: home project and you know they're able to build a fence.

2274
02:10:40,160 --> 02:10:41,920
Speaker 1: Then they turn around, I'm like, well, I didn't think

2275
02:10:41,920 --> 02:10:43,640
Speaker 1: I could build anything. I built this fence. I wonder

2276
02:10:43,720 --> 02:10:45,800
Speaker 1: what else I can build. And then they turn around

2277
02:10:45,800 --> 02:10:49,280
Speaker 1: they're they're they're remodeling their bathroom, and then they're just

2278
02:10:49,400 --> 02:10:52,600
Speaker 1: they got handyman status. And so I mean, I'm I'm

2279
02:10:52,840 --> 02:10:55,000
Speaker 1: rooting for him. The Tony is the tough one, right

2280
02:10:55,120 --> 02:10:59,160
Speaker 1: like that woof everybody always thinks like, oh, an Oscar

2281
02:10:59,320 --> 02:11:01,960
Speaker 1: and an Emmy and and I mean a super Bowl

2282
02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:04,640
Speaker 1: ring that's the one that's pretty limiting. Um, But a

2283
02:11:04,800 --> 02:11:08,160
Speaker 1: Tony like, you either got to write a play or

2284
02:11:08,240 --> 02:11:10,440
Speaker 1: you gotta be able to sing and act and dance

2285
02:11:10,440 --> 02:11:13,080
Speaker 1: at the same time. Well, well he he would be

2286
02:11:13,120 --> 02:11:16,480
Speaker 1: on the writing side of the things. He's not. Yeah,

2287
02:11:17,360 --> 02:11:20,240
Speaker 1: he's not really the on camera guy. They don't have

2288
02:11:20,320 --> 02:11:24,960
Speaker 1: a they wouldn't do the the Broadway version of this

2289
02:11:25,120 --> 02:11:27,440
Speaker 1: TV show, which, by the way, that's that's up next

2290
02:11:27,520 --> 02:11:31,360
Speaker 1: to my Q. I gotta finish. I just I restarted

2291
02:11:31,400 --> 02:11:35,360
Speaker 1: Ozark and then that one is next up, and I

2292
02:11:35,440 --> 02:11:37,720
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a welcome vacation from how dark

2293
02:11:37,760 --> 02:11:40,839
Speaker 1: Ozark is. So I'm looking for sure. I love Ozark.

2294
02:11:41,080 --> 02:11:48,160
Speaker 1: I love Ozark, but um the another Probably I thought

2295
02:11:48,240 --> 02:11:51,720
Speaker 1: the most important thing that that Spencer said though, was

2296
02:11:52,560 --> 02:11:56,960
Speaker 1: about mentors, about how important they are, and that when

2297
02:11:57,040 --> 02:12:02,360
Speaker 1: he got to Oregon that he um had people that

2298
02:12:02,800 --> 02:12:07,040
Speaker 1: introduced him to people and and he started to to

2299
02:12:07,320 --> 02:12:10,800
Speaker 1: network there. And I was like, I wish I had

2300
02:12:10,960 --> 02:12:15,000
Speaker 1: known that when I was in college, because yes, granted

2301
02:12:15,120 --> 02:12:18,000
Speaker 1: he went to school, you know, like ten years after

2302
02:12:18,200 --> 02:12:21,960
Speaker 1: after I did, but and yes, some things changed in

2303
02:12:22,320 --> 02:12:24,800
Speaker 1: the infrastructure. But I just thought it was really good

2304
02:12:25,400 --> 02:12:29,120
Speaker 1: that kids are learning to network be more than an athlete,

2305
02:12:29,600 --> 02:12:33,200
Speaker 1: and that they're playing ball is their plan B Because

2306
02:12:33,240 --> 02:12:36,880
Speaker 1: he he said he never intended to play pro ball

2307
02:12:37,080 --> 02:12:40,840
Speaker 1: past thirty and that's when he was done. And I

2308
02:12:40,960 --> 02:12:43,880
Speaker 1: just found that just like amazing. I was like, Wow,

2309
02:12:44,040 --> 02:12:50,160
Speaker 1: he went in with a plan two use sports as

2310
02:12:50,200 --> 02:12:53,760
Speaker 1: a stepping stone in in his life, and if he

2311
02:12:53,800 --> 02:12:57,000
Speaker 1: wanted to continue playing that that's always an option, but

2312
02:12:57,160 --> 02:13:00,320
Speaker 1: to use it as a stepping stone instead of and

2313
02:13:00,440 --> 02:13:04,000
Speaker 1: that your best days aren't behind you when you finish

2314
02:13:04,680 --> 02:13:07,080
Speaker 1: playing ball, that your best days are still in front

2315
02:13:07,080 --> 02:13:11,360
Speaker 1: of you. Yeah, I mean that that being more than

2316
02:13:11,400 --> 02:13:13,960
Speaker 1: an athlete. You know, that's tough for a lot of

2317
02:13:14,040 --> 02:13:17,280
Speaker 1: people because that's your identity going in and you don't

2318
02:13:17,320 --> 02:13:21,680
Speaker 1: really if you don't have a plan beyond success that

2319
02:13:21,800 --> 02:13:24,520
Speaker 1: can drive you to success. But it all it ends

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Speaker 1: for everybody at some point, I guess except for Tom Brady,

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Speaker 1: but you know you for for most people, it's gonna end,

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Speaker 1: and to have to figure out who you are when

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Speaker 1: all that's over is tough, you know. And so for

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Speaker 1: anybody that goes into and it realizes that it's a

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Speaker 1: means to a new end instead of just a means

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Speaker 1: to the only end that you're involved in. Um, that

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Speaker 1: that could be really really big. And the other side

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Speaker 1: of that, of of being able to connect with mentors,

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Speaker 1: I mean nobody ever thinks about it from the mentor

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Speaker 1: side of like, there's not really what what's in it

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Speaker 1: for the mentor? Right? We we always uh, there's always

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Speaker 1: that example out there of Aaron Rodgers and Brett Farve

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Speaker 1: on the same team and people would always ask Brett

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Speaker 1: Farv like, Hey, what are you doing to get this

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers kid ready? And he's like, that's not my job.

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Speaker 1: You know, and that's the truth. That's the truth. If

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Speaker 1: you are somebody who is in a position where you

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Speaker 1: could be mentoring somebody else, you have to make an

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Speaker 1: active decision because it's not you don't have to do it.

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Speaker 1: It can be an enormous headache, but it can also

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Speaker 1: be really really rewarding. But the what reward is really

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Speaker 1: is really there. It's not monetary. The most valuable thing

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Speaker 1: when you get to a certain age is your time,

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Speaker 1: and you're choosing to turn around and invest that in

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Speaker 1: somebody else. And so, you know, it's really cool that

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Speaker 1: he knew to seek out mentors, but it's even cooler

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Speaker 1: to me that there were those people in place who

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Speaker 1: were willing to serve in those roles because that's that

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Speaker 1: that is truly a choice, respect to everybody out there

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Speaker 1: who is in a mentor mentee relationship and or in

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Speaker 1: that mental role, because you know what, what's the what's

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Speaker 1: the upside satisfaction? That's all you get satisfaction for helping

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Speaker 1: somebody else. Yeah, and I mean there's just not a

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Speaker 1: lot of people who are who are driven in that way.

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Speaker 1: They got to have something concrete, you know, Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like what's in it? For me, like what like Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I do think that obviously mentors are very important

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Speaker 1: and crucial and hopefully that I can add value to

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Speaker 1: somebody's life like that at some pointant point in time

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Speaker 1: as well. Um, but thank you guys so much for

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Speaker 1: listening to the Pack twelve Apostles podcast. He's Ralph Amerson,

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