WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Spooky Recommendations

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. Josh, Chuck, Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>sitting in for Dave. This is short stuff, Chuck. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is a slightly different kind of short stuff, I

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<v Speaker 1>would say, for Halloween.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>Halloween and maybe beyond, everyone, because we had an idea

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<v Speaker 3>a while ago about perhaps adding a episode here and

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<v Speaker 3>there where we do recommendations, because people are always saying, Like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>when you guys recommend books and movies and recipes and stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>we really like that kind of thing. And this is

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<v Speaker 3>maybe a chance to formalize it. So we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>ask you to let us know what you think about this.

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<v Speaker 3>If maybe once a month in place of the regular Shorty,

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<v Speaker 3>we recommend things that we're watching and reading and eating

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<v Speaker 3>and drinking or whatever. It could be like a new

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<v Speaker 3>sleeping regimen.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe not that.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, so maybe we'll just, uh, like one of us

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<v Speaker 3>will take their recommendation and then after the break, the

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<v Speaker 3>other one we'll do theirs.

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<v Speaker 2>How does that sound?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>We're like, we should say everybody, we're literally figuring this

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<v Speaker 1>out as we go along in stuff you should know fashion.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't you, why don't you take it away? Let's

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<v Speaker 2>hear what you're recommending.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, geez. Well, um, you know, I love me some

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<v Speaker 1>good horror movies, so I thought maybe I would just

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<v Speaker 1>recommend a few good horror movies for Halloween. All right.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's, let's chat. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever seen Trick or Treat? Trick-R-Treat?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. Is it the movie from the 80s?

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's from the aughts, I think, the mid-aughts.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I'm seeing it's from 2007.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, bizarrely stars Anna Paquin, the Oscar winner, the youngest

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<v Speaker 1>Oscar winner of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just this little sleeper movie that flew below

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's radar and But it's actually one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>interesting Halloween anthologies ever. It's really woven together. There's some

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<v Speaker 1>like legitimately scary stuff to it. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>creepy stuff. There's a lot of funny stuff, which to

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<v Speaker 1>me is like if you're able to pull off comedy

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<v Speaker 1>with horror, that's a that's a real trick to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think they did that because it wasn't all comedy.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like, you know, kind of here or there.

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<v Speaker 1>There was some funny stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I'm seeing that it's an anthology film.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's several stories all by the same person. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not one of those sort of co-directed things?

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no. It's all the same person. And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember who directed it. I think it was a

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<v Speaker 1>writer-director kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Michael Dougherty. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So he did it all. And the way that it's

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<v Speaker 1>an anthology is, you know, like with a normal anthology,

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<v Speaker 1>there's like somebody telling somebody, a story and then yeah

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<v Speaker 1>in between them you come back to that that present

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<v Speaker 1>you know reality.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah like the crypt keeper or something yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly with this everything is all woven together and it

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<v Speaker 1>says like earlier that night or something like that so

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of jumps around a little bit but it's

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<v Speaker 1>not like it's really well done as far as horror

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<v Speaker 1>anthologies go Awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it says here in my little lookup device that

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<v Speaker 3>it has gained cult status, even though it was not

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<v Speaker 3>very much seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I totally buy that. Yeah. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>make it sound like it's a high art or cinema.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not supposed to be. So it's just a fun

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<v Speaker 1>little it's very bloody. So don't don't make any mistake

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<v Speaker 1>about that. Basically, if I ever recommend a movie, it's

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<v Speaker 1>either disturbing or bloody or both.

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<v Speaker 2>OK.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You got another scary movie?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, sure. I got a million of them. Let's see

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<v Speaker 1>which one. I will say, I'll tell you one that

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen a couple times now. There's a movie called Moloch. Moloch? Moloch?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you spell it?

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<v Speaker 1>M-O-L-O-C-H. It's the name of a demon. I think like

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<v Speaker 1>a real deal demon. It's not made up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Although I don't think this is based on a true story.

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<v Speaker 2>This looks scary.

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<v Speaker 1>It is scary. It's not supposed to be funny. And

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<v Speaker 1>it is kind of an attempt at cinema. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's Dutch. Yeah. Dutch folk horror. And it's about this.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to give too much away, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>about this family that's basically being targeted by Moloch the demon.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's all sorts of really interesting reasons why. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's like subtitles and everything. Do subtitles bother most people?

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<v Speaker 1>I know they don't bother you, but do you know

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who are like, I can't watch movies because of subtitles?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, back when we were doing Movie Crush, I

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<v Speaker 3>do remember hearing from people that some people like it

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<v Speaker 3>didn't bother them. Some people loved foreign cinema and some

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<v Speaker 3>people like had like really. like solid reasons for not

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<v Speaker 3>liking it. Like either they maybe had dyslexia or, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>it was distracting for them or like in an ADHD

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<v Speaker 3>sort of way. So there's all sorts of reasons someone

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<v Speaker 3>might like them other than like, well, I don't like

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<v Speaker 3>to read.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh? I'd never considered that, but that's really good point. Great. Okay, good. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't like subtitled movies, I don't think there's

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<v Speaker 1>an English dub to, I think it is all subtitles, unfortunately, but, um,

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<v Speaker 1>There's a movie that I told you about before that

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<v Speaker 1>I loved. It's called Lamb, the A24 movie with the

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<v Speaker 1>girl with the dragon tattoo. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>The original one. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is completely bizarre and off the wall, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's also one of the most heart-rending movies I've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so, it's just so, there's parts of it that

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<v Speaker 1>you just want to like hug everybody, but it's considered

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<v Speaker 1>a horror movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, really? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It is in Icelandic, I think. And there's subtitles. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's so well done that I watched it once without subtitles.

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<v Speaker 1>I think maybe even the first time. And I knew

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<v Speaker 1>I basically got everything that was going on except for

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<v Speaker 1>like a couple conversations that really didn't matter that much.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's cool. I like that. I think I've had

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<v Speaker 2>that experience before.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is. It's kind of fun because you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm part of the universal humanity. I don't even need words. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even need to understand what's coming out of

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<v Speaker 1>your mouth.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this is spooky season for movies for me, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and I watch a lot during October. And I just

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<v Speaker 3>last night was looking up, like, what are the best

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<v Speaker 3>horror movies of the last, you know, of the 2020s

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<v Speaker 3>and have a short list going.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'll add these to the list, and I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Well, let's take a break and then come

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<v Speaker 1>back and we'll hear about your stuff. All right. All right.

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<v Speaker 2>We are back.

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<v Speaker 3>And I am going to recommend a couple of spooky books, everyone,

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<v Speaker 3>because I have talked before kind of briefly on the

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<v Speaker 3>show about having never really gotten into horror or fiction.

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<v Speaker 3>But jumped back on the bandwagon when I randomly picked

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<v Speaker 3>up a book that just looked cool from the author

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<v Speaker 3>Keith Rawson. a very great writer from Portland who Stephen King,

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<v Speaker 3>no less than Stephen King, has championed. And I had

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<v Speaker 3>started reading, you know, I read his duology, Devil by

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<v Speaker 3>Name and Fever House, which was a zombie thing, and

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<v Speaker 3>both of those are great. And then I read his

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<v Speaker 3>follow-up to that, which was Coffin Moon, which was about

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<v Speaker 3>a vampire story, which was great. I think all of

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<v Speaker 3>these have been optioned, by the way, so hopefully they'll

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<v Speaker 3>come to a movie or TV screen near you.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I got an advanced copy.

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<v Speaker 3>I know I shouted it out briefly, but I want

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<v Speaker 3>to talk to everyone about his newest book, Crone. As

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<v Speaker 3>we know, a crone is a witch. And this is

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<v Speaker 3>a witchy story. And again, I don't want to give

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<v Speaker 3>too much away, but it is a really great witchy

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<v Speaker 3>story that goes in all sorts of kind of cool directions.

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<v Speaker 3>What I love about Keith's books is that they are,

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<v Speaker 3>first of all, they are expertly written. He's just a really,

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<v Speaker 3>really great writer. And after having written read some lesser

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<v Speaker 3>horror novels since then. I picked up another couple by

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<v Speaker 3>other people. I now really appreciate like how great Keith

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<v Speaker 3>is just with the, with the pen or the thingies

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<v Speaker 3>on the keyboard. Yeah. So he's a great writer and,

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<v Speaker 3>and all of his books had this humanity and this

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<v Speaker 3>heart and they always involve some sort of family story

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<v Speaker 3>going on that. So a lot of it is heartbreaking stories.

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<v Speaker 3>at the same time as being, like, super scary. And

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<v Speaker 3>he has such a way with describing things in such

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<v Speaker 3>a gross, gross way.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, yeah? That's tough to do, man.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, he uses.

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<v Speaker 3>Words, like, that people don't use anymore, like torpor and

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<v Speaker 3>stuff like that, where, like, I got to look it

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<v Speaker 3>up even to see what that is. And so he's

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<v Speaker 3>just a very great descriptor, which are my favorite kinds

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<v Speaker 3>of writers. So check out Krohn. And all of his books.

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<v Speaker 3>But Krohn is the most recent one. And I'm in

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<v Speaker 3>touch with him via Instagram. And he seems like a

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<v Speaker 3>really good dude as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, sure. If you're on somebody's bandwagon, they're probably a

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<v Speaker 1>good dude.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And we're both adoption dads. So we have that

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<v Speaker 2>in common.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, very cool. Very cool.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the next one, you know, I think I

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<v Speaker 2>told you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to shout it out because I told

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<v Speaker 3>you on the plane on the way home from the cruise.

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<v Speaker 3>The one I was reading about the theme park wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>very good. But I did read another pretty good one

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<v Speaker 3>called Hidden Pictures. It is a horror fiction novel by...

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<v Speaker 3>Jason Reculac. And it was a New York Times bestseller.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'll just read the description on the back because

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<v Speaker 3>it doesn't give too much away. Mallory Quinn is fresh

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<v Speaker 3>out of rehab when she takes a job babysitting Ted

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<v Speaker 3>and Caroline Maxwell's five-year-old son, Teddy. She immediately bonds with

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<v Speaker 3>a sweet boy who is never without his sketchbook. His

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<v Speaker 3>drawings are the usual fare, trees, rabbits, balloons, but one

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<v Speaker 3>day he draws something different, a man dragging a lifeless body.

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<v Speaker 1>Yikes.

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<v Speaker 3>Then his stick figures evolve into increasingly sophisticated sketches depicting

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<v Speaker 3>one disturbing scene after another. Is Teddy troubled, or is

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<v Speaker 3>he channeling forces he cannot possibly understand? Knowing just how

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<v Speaker 3>crazy it all sounds, Mallory must decipher the images and

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<v Speaker 3>save Teddy before it's too late.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice. Who wrote that?

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<v Speaker 3>His name is Jason Reculac, I guess is how you

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<v Speaker 3>pronounce it. And Stephen King also has a cover quote saying,

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<v Speaker 3>a one-of-a-kind thriller.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved it. And it's good. And kind of one

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<v Speaker 2>of the fun things.

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<v Speaker 3>Here is the author draws these pictures along the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, yeah, that is cool.

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<v Speaker 2>As well.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's drawing these pictures, and it's the first sort

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<v Speaker 3>of creepy one. There's just a a nice impact you

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<v Speaker 3>have when you're seeing these kind of just kid drawings

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<v Speaker 3>and all of a sudden you see the creepy one.

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<v Speaker 3>And the story takes a lot of twists and turns.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure this is going to be optioned. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>it already has and it's in that pipeline because it

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<v Speaker 3>would make, I think it would make a pretty fun movie.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think that a horror story is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the hardest types to carry through an entire novel

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<v Speaker 1>because you have to pay everything out just so or

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<v Speaker 1>you have to go all in and then top every

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<v Speaker 1>scene essentially, or else it's just like, what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>I think short stories are the ideal or is the

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<v Speaker 1>ideal format for horror. So if you can pull off

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<v Speaker 1>a horror novel, you're doing something pretty spectacular in my opinion. Not,

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<v Speaker 1>not many people can do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I'm with you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm kind of new to the whole thing, but we

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<v Speaker 3>have read a bunch of short horror for, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>our Halloween episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think I'm with you on that.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's, uh, I'm not sure how much more I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to go down the horror lane because I'm kind

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<v Speaker 3>of one for two with the non Keith Rawson's when

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<v Speaker 3>he was I was four for four with him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'll read every book that Keith puts out like

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<v Speaker 3>as soon as it comes out. I'm like that big

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<v Speaker 3>of a fan at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Keith spoiled you.

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<v Speaker 2>He has spoiled me. Can't go back.

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<v Speaker 3>I need to read a Stephen King. I know it's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of silly that I haven't.

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<v Speaker 1>So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You've never read

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<v Speaker 1>a Stephen King novel of any like none of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what you're saying? Is that what I'm picking up?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I've never read any horror or any Stephen King.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I've had people recommend various ones. I would

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<v Speaker 3>like to read a really scary and maybe maybe I

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<v Speaker 3>should read The Shining. That might be a good one

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<v Speaker 3>to start out with.

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<v Speaker 1>So it is nothing like the movie, you know, right?

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<v Speaker 1>You are. You know that from being.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard a lot of that. Yeah. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Um. I think Stephen King's actually a great example of

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm talking about. My beef with his novels is

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<v Speaker 1>that very rarely by the ending are you just like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a great ending. It's like a great build up.

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<v Speaker 1>The payoff's up there. His short story collections are out

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<v Speaker 1>of this world, though.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, maybe consider that.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I should do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. But let me know what you think of

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<v Speaker 1>whatever Stephen King book you read.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you have a particular short story or anthology of

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<v Speaker 3>his that you can recommend?

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<v Speaker 1>I like the earlier ones like Skeleton Crew or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>the other one is. I can't remember. It had like

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<v Speaker 1>a bandaged hand with an eye in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the palm.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Creepy stuff. But he had some really good, like

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<v Speaker 1>genuinely scary short stories. And then his son, Owen, whose

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<v Speaker 1>pen name is Joe Hill. He has a great story collection,

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<v Speaker 1>short story collection called 20th Century Ghosts that I think

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<v Speaker 1>blows his dad out of the water.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, OK.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he has a quote on here, too, from Joe Hill.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the best and most inventive ghost stories I

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<v Speaker 3>read in years. The beautiful dark rush of a novel.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't realize that was his son. I guess he

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<v Speaker 3>he did that to keep from appearing as a nepo baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that was a great move. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>even if his dad's calling publishers to get his stuff published,

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<v Speaker 1>he deserves it. He's that good.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well, I'll check those out. This was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I liked it.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope everyone else did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I liked it too, Chuck. I hope I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>hog too many recommendations.

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<v Speaker 3>No, this is great. I thought it was well-balanced and

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<v Speaker 3>went down smooth, like a fine scotch.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let us know if you took this like a

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<v Speaker 1>fine scotch or if you're just like, guys, don't ever

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<v Speaker 1>do this again. We want to hear all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think short stuff is out. Happy Halloween.

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