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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. Josh, Chuck, Jerry

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Speaker 1: sitting in for Dave. This is short stuff, Chuck. And

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Speaker 1: this is a slightly different kind of short stuff, I

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Speaker 1: would say, for Halloween.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: Halloween and maybe beyond, everyone, because we had an idea

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Speaker 3: a while ago about perhaps adding a episode here and

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Speaker 3: when you guys recommend books and movies and recipes and stuff,

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Speaker 3: we really like that kind of thing. And this is

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Speaker 3: ask you to let us know what you think about this.

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Speaker 3: If maybe once a month in place of the regular Shorty,

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Speaker 3: we recommend things that we're watching and reading and eating

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Speaker 2: Maybe not that.

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 1: It could be.

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Speaker 3: Uh, so maybe we'll just, uh, like one of us

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Speaker 3: will take their recommendation and then after the break, the

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Speaker 3: other one we'll do theirs.

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Speaker 2: How does that sound?

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Speaker 1: Uh, sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We're like, we should say everybody, we're literally figuring this

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Speaker 1: out as we go along in stuff you should know fashion.

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Speaker 2: Why don't you, why don't you take it away? Let's

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Speaker 2: hear what you're recommending.

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Speaker 1: Oh, geez. Well, um, you know, I love me some

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Speaker 1: good horror movies, so I thought maybe I would just

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Speaker 1: recommend a few good horror movies for Halloween. All right.

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Speaker 2: Let's, let's chat. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen Trick or Treat? Trick-R-Treat?

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. Is it the movie from the 80s?

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Speaker 1: No, it's from the aughts, I think, the mid-aughts.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm seeing it's from 2007.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, bizarrely stars Anna Paquin, the Oscar winner, the youngest

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Speaker 1: And it's just this little sleeper movie that flew below

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm seeing that it's an anthology film.

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Speaker 3: So it's several stories all by the same person. It's

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Speaker 1: don't remember who directed it. I think it was a

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Speaker 1: And there's all sorts of really interesting reasons why. And

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Speaker 1: Huh? I'd never considered that, but that's really good point. Great. Okay, good. Well,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It's kind of fun because you're like,

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Speaker 3: Well, this is spooky season for movies for me, you know,

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Speaker 2: So I'll add these to the list, and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: We are back.

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Speaker 3: And I am going to recommend a couple of spooky books, everyone,

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Speaker 3: Keith Rawson. a very great writer from Portland who Stephen King,

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Speaker 3: What I love about Keith's books is that they are,

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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah? That's tough to do, man.

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Speaker 1: Well, sure. If you're on somebody's bandwagon, they're probably a

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And we're both adoption dads. So we have that

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Speaker 1: Oh, very cool. Very cool.

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Speaker 2: And then the next one, you know, I think I

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Speaker 3: Then his stick figures evolve into increasingly sophisticated sketches depicting

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Speaker 1: Nice. Who wrote that?

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Speaker 3: His name is Jason Reculac, I guess is how you

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Speaker 3: So he's drawing these pictures, and it's the first sort

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Speaker 3: I'm sure this is going to be optioned. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: You know, I think that a horror story is one

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of new to the whole thing, but we

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Speaker 3: And I'll read every book that Keith puts out like

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Speaker 1: Keith spoiled you.

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Speaker 3: I need to read a Stephen King. I know it's

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Speaker 1: So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You've never read

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Speaker 3: And so I've had people recommend various ones. I would

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Speaker 1: So it is nothing like the movie, you know, right?

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Speaker 2: I've heard a lot of that. Yeah. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Um. I think Stephen King's actually a great example of

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Speaker 1: The payoff's up there. His short story collections are out

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Speaker 2: Maybe I should do that.

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Speaker 3: Do you have a particular short story or anthology of

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Creepy stuff. But he had some really good, like

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Speaker 3: Well, he has a quote on here, too, from Joe Hill.

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Speaker 3: One of the best and most inventive ghost stories I

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Speaker 1: And I think that was a great move. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: All right, well, I'll check those out. This was kind

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Speaker 1: I liked it.

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Speaker 2: I hope everyone else did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I liked it too, Chuck. I hope I didn't

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Speaker 1: hog too many recommendations.

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Speaker 3: No, this is great. I thought it was well-balanced and

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Speaker 3: went down smooth, like a fine scotch.

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Speaker 1: Well, let us know if you took this like a

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Speaker 1: fine scotch or if you're just like, guys, don't ever

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Speaker 1: do this again. We want to hear all of it.

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Speaker 1: And I think short stuff is out. Happy Halloween.

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