1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: And you're here. Thanks for choosing the I Heart Radio 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast A and Paranormal podcast network. Your 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: quest for podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: ends here. We invite you to enjoy all our shows 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: we have on this network, and right now, let's start 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 1: with The after Life with Sandra Sanpla. Welcome to our podcast. 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: Please be aware of the thoughts and opinions expressed by 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: the host are their thoughts and opinions only and do 9 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: not reflect those of I Heart Media, I Heart Radio, 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM, employees of premier networks, or their 11 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: sponsors and associates. We would like to encourage you to 12 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: do your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi, 13 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 15 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: On each episode, will discuss the reasons we now know 16 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: that our loved ones have survived physical death and so 17 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Today on 18 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: our show, I want you to learn about Dr Parisetti 19 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: coming to us from Scotland. He is a medical doctor 20 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: and he has several books on a topic that you 21 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: and I are both interested in. His latest book is 22 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: called Step into the Light. Transform Your Fear of Death 23 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: by Learning about Life Afterlife, and I've asked him to 24 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: share a little bit about himself. Okay, very good. So 25 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: I am your run off the mill western educated medical doctor. 26 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: And then what happened is that I got interested in 27 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: international humanitarian assistance and I wanted to work for that 28 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: at Crossed, So I got a master's degree in public 29 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: health and for a number of years I did in 30 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: did work internationally with the International Red Cross for many years, 31 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: and then shortly for the United Nations. And then I 32 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: went on from from the field to the classroom and 33 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: for seventeen years I taught management of human Italian operations, 34 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: that's public health in emergencies, but brother than that, the 35 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: overall management of human Italian operations to graduate and doctoral 36 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: students to three major universities in Europe. And that's what 37 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: I've been doing. My wife one day, we were living 38 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: in Geneva and Switzerland at the time. One day we 39 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: were having tea and she told me an anecdote, a 40 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: ghostly story that happened to her. She's from Glasgow self 41 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: and I started by saying that I'm a Western educated 42 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: medical doctor, and with that I implied that at the 43 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,399 Speaker 1: time this was happening in two thousand and eight, at 44 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: the time, I was in a frame of mind that 45 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: every think that can possibly exist is matter, and if 46 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: you cannot touch it or measure it, simply does not exist. 47 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: And therefore mind felt, what's mind? Mind is simply the 48 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: product of the electrochemical activity of the brain, isn't it. 49 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: And by elogical consequence, when that activity stops, well that's 50 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: the end of it. That's the end of us. That's 51 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: the end of mind, and that's the end of life. 52 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: And that little anecdote set in motion a process which lasted, 53 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: I mean a long time, many years, and that set 54 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: me on a path of discovering, of discovery, sorry, and 55 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: and a path of suffering as well, because I was 56 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: discussing this with somebody else recently, and I say that 57 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: it is indeed and argues a difficult path because moving 58 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: from that and critical acceptance of materialism to the position 59 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: where I am now, it's not align your process. It 60 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: is not that you read a book or you you 61 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: understand something and you're done. No changing worldview. Is that 62 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: going and coming back process. One moment you're convinced, and 63 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: the next moment you say that, bloody hell, but that's 64 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: not possible. I mean, I reckon to this day. I 65 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: read about a thirty tho pages of literature on the 66 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: broader subject of psychical research. And I'm a member of 67 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: several professional scientific organizations dedicated to the study of the subject. 68 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: And I went to conferences, study days, even trained personally 69 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: with Raymond Moody, who I think many of your listeners 70 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: will remember, is that you know, twenty five million copies 71 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: seller of Life After Life, if the first one we've 72 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: really come out and spoken about a near death experiences 73 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: in the seventies eventually did convince that we don't die. 74 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: The evidence is there, the facts are there. Anybody who 75 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: has considered the whole lot of the evidence can only 76 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: draw one conclusion. In a way, we do not understand 77 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: human personality survives the death of the physical body, even 78 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: amongst scientists, so to speak, for people of a scientific disposition, 79 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: if you ask them off the record, they will say 80 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: that they do entertain this possibility. But then when they 81 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: do they have to make a pronouncement officially, they retract 82 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: and they have to protect their career, the status and everything, 83 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: they have to take the skeptical attitude, which is sadly 84 00:05:54,839 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: still fashionable. Now what today, I am convinced that a 85 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: mind cannot is related to but more than the electrochemical 86 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: activity of the plane. Anybody has looked at the parapsychology 87 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:18,799 Speaker 1: research and afterlife studies can only draw that conclusion. Yes, 88 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: there is a correlation, but it's more than It's not 89 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: dependent on mind, is not dependent on mind, can exist 90 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: independently from a function in physical brain. Facts say that 91 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: is not wishful thinking. Facts say that. And secondly, as 92 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: we just said it, and perhaps this is an extension 93 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: of the first truth, is that we do survive physical death. 94 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: When I say do, I mean our mind, our personality, 95 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: our memories. As we just said, our affections do survive 96 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: the demise of the physical body. And people often ask me, 97 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: where's the proof of that? And if we had a 98 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: superficial conversation, I could point you to a number of 99 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: elements of pieces of evidence which in themselves are so strong, 100 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: so undeniable, that they we would constitute proof in themselves. 101 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: But if we're having a truly serious conversation, if I 102 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: were to defend this in a court of justice, for instance, 103 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: I would present I would make the argument that survival 104 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: is supported. Let's say, a rational belief in life afterlife 105 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: is supported by the collective weight of the evidence. There are, 106 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: as I said, individual pieces which are very very strong, 107 00:07:55,480 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: but still when you consider the collective way of the evidence, 108 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: about a dozen field of investigation after life, communication, reincarnation studies, 109 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: near their studies, death bed visions. There's about a dozen, 110 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: and they are coherent and consistent. They all point to 111 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:24,239 Speaker 1: the same truth, the unbelievable truth that we don't die, 112 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: as Sandra says. So I'm not convinced by one thing. 113 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: Have not been convinced, as I said before, and one 114 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: flash of insight or understanding. It's for me, it's the 115 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: accumulation of of information. I like to say that rational 116 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: belief life after life is supported by the knowledge and 117 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: critical evaluation of facts. People have to know and engage 118 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: their own reason in said as I do in twenty 119 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: one Days, as I do in both that the work 120 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: book that you have Love Knows No Death and the 121 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: new book Step into the Light. I engage the reader's 122 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: reason because that's the only way to really make that 123 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: step that transforms the pain of a loss and transforms 124 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: the fear of death. So let me take another moment 125 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: of of your time and your listeners time to explain 126 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: a little bit where I come from in my applied 127 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: psychical research or yes, I applied after life studies stands. 128 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: I have studied cognitive behavior therapy, which is an evidence 129 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: the evidence based form of psychotherapy which is now the 130 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: standard treatment, particularly for depression and also for anxiety disorders. 131 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: And the premise of cognitive therapy is very simple. It's 132 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: evidence space. So again, it's not a theory, a fancy 133 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 1: theory like psychoanalysis, is again facts, an evidence based The 134 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: facts and evidence say is that the way we feel 135 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: depends entirely on the way we think. If we have 136 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: a stimulus, the stimulus does not lead directly to an emotion. 137 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: Before the emotion is felt, you have to pass through 138 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: an interpretation of the stimulus. I give yourself very simple example. 139 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: You're asleep at night and you're walking up by a 140 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: noise in the adjacent room. That's the stimulus. It's the 141 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: same as a noise there's something crashing there. Your first 142 00:10:55,320 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: thought is a burgler has entered the apartment. What's your 143 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: emotion fear? Thank you? Your first thought is the cat 144 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: has knocked over the flower base. What's your reaction? What's 145 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: your emotion? Could be upset, but I go back to sleep. 146 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: There you go. So the stimulus is the same, the 147 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: interpretation of the stimulus is different. The emotion that we 148 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: feel so strongly is completely different. So thoughts are fundamentally 149 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: important in determining our emotions and how our well being. 150 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: In the case of bereavement, in the case of a 151 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: pain of a loss, I am fond again I use 152 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: this expression. I am fond of saying that there's a 153 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: part of the pain which is quite simply unavoidable. Center 154 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: that is who we are as human beings, and there's 155 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: no pill, there's no theory, there's no nothing that will 156 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: take that away. We are humans, were bound to have this, 157 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: which is the possibly the most commonly shared experience. We 158 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: lose somebody we love, We're in pain. There's nothing to do. 159 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: That part is incompressible, it cannot be compressed. But there's 160 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: another part of the pain which is avoidable and unnecessary. 161 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: Dr Parisetti, I think this is a good time for 162 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: the break, because I know you have a lot more 163 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: to say on this my friends who want to check 164 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 1: out his website. You can find out more about Dr 165 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: Piero Calvi Parisetti at d R parisset dot com d 166 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: R P A R I S E T t I 167 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: dot com. So let's go to the break and then 168 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: we'll be back. You're listening to Aids of the Afterlife 169 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a 170 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: m paranormal podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. 171 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain and we are with Dr Piero Parisetti, 172 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: who had a great example about our thoughts control our emotions. 173 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: And Dr Parisetti, you were just talking about grief. The 174 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: pain is unavoidable, but that there is a part that 175 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: is avoidable. Could you pick up where you left off. 176 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: There's another part of the pain which is avoidable and unnecessary, 177 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: and that part of the pain comes from a thought. 178 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: And the thought is my loved one has vanished. My 179 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: loved one has disappeared into a black nothingness. It existed 180 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: and now it doesn't exist anymore. As a very painful thought, 181 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: it generates unspeakable really, I mean pain and suffering. And 182 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: it is simply not true. So like in cognitive therapy. 183 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: Cognitive therapy teaches you to recognize this automatic negative thoughts 184 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: that supports the depression, and not to go all the 185 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: way to positive thinking. Yeah and the best, because that's fake. 186 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: That's equally fake. It's simply re balances and reformulate the 187 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: thought in a more realistic way. The same thing can 188 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: be done with thoughts about death. Right, So this is 189 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: very helpful for people who have lost a loved one. 190 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: And here I come to the latest book. I am surprised, 191 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised that myself, I must say, because I've researched 192 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: and written a whole book during lockdown. You say, ha ha, 193 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: easy enough, you've got nothing else to do. True, I 194 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: make no mystery. I had a relatively major depressive episodes, 195 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: very strongly linked with the limitations and the fact of being, 196 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: you know, the lockdown and all all these things. And 197 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: you know, we've all suffered in our own ways. And 198 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: my way of suffering was through a depression, out of 199 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: which I'm very glad to say I'm out. But I 200 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: suffered quite a bit despite that. Since I'm a good soldier, 201 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: I managed to research right and write a whole book. 202 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: Is a very serious book, and it's directed specifically at 203 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: those in fear of death, their own death or the 204 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: death of a loved one. And here again I want 205 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: you and our frends, our listeners to to to put 206 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: ourselves in a situation is possibly one of the worst 207 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: situations we can think. We don't really want to think 208 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: of that possibility. Let's say that will never happen to us. 209 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: But if you were to happen, if we were to 210 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: find ourselves with the terminal disease, or at least the 211 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: diagnosis of a terminal disease, that is bad enough a situation, 212 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: isn't it. There is like for the believed person. That's 213 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: a part of the suffering of that situation, which unfortunately 214 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: is not me is not nothing will take that away. 215 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: It's the discomfort in certain cases, and fortunately is the 216 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: actual pain. It really is a difficult situation made worse, 217 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: unnecessarily worse by the fear, by the terror of annie highlation, 218 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:22,959 Speaker 1: the fear of ceasing to exist. I exist now, and 219 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: I will not exist anymore. I have experiences now, This 220 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: is what really what we treasure. I have experiences now, 221 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: and then it will be a black curtain and I 222 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: will not experience anything anymore. Well, that thought is false, 223 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: that thought is not supported to evidence, and this is 224 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: a beautiful truth. So unfortunately I cannot do anything for 225 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: the pain and the suffering of going through you know 226 00:17:55,640 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: that the series a fatal degenerative thease or or a 227 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: cancer or whatever it is. But I can't do a 228 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: lot to take away that unnecessary pain. And what I 229 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: do is that I explain, can I go on with 230 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: a moment? Because I mean, I really are much time 231 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: as you like, You're so kind, I mean my elements 232 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: because I'm passionate about these things. These things are not 233 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: only intellectually interesting, and that's what attracts me. They have 234 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: such a transformative potential for people, and that's why I'm 235 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: so enthusiastic. So what I'm doing in step into the 236 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: light is that instead people okay, people are scared of dying, 237 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: are scared of not a fear of not existing anymore, 238 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 1: which is, you know, a primordial fear we all have. 239 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: People are also curious to know what dying is like 240 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: in and if indeed there is an afterlife that in 241 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: itself is a great has a great reason for hope 242 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: and optimists. But what is that afterlife like. So in 243 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: order to answer those questions, one could have reviewed I 244 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: don't know the religious and beliefs around the world and 245 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: what they say about the afterlife, or or some philosophical 246 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: stances on on what an afterlife might be. Well, I 247 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: thought of taking a much more pragmatic approach. Let's ask 248 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: those who have been there, and my sources of information 249 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: are essentially three, one specific to the process of dying, 250 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: and those are deathbed visions and end of life phenomena. 251 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: Then on what the afterlife may or actually does look like. 252 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: We have two other major sources of information, which are 253 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: near death experienceers and those who have actually died and 254 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: communicate to us from the other side, the spirit communicators. 255 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: So the first part of the book is devoted to 256 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: establishing the credibility of these sources. Is it reasonable to 257 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: trust the testimony from DBVs that bad visions and these 258 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: near death experiences and spirit communication? And I engage the 259 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: reader in what I describe as a bit of a 260 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: detective work, like you know, forensic like CSI business, because 261 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: we look at what death made visions and other end 262 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: of life phenomena are, we look at all the alternative 263 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: explanations for these beautiful, beautiful experiences that many people have. 264 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: Let me open a parenthesis here, because many people don't know, 265 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 1: mind you. If you ask nurses or people working in hospices, 266 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: they said, of course, we see this all the time. 267 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: But then let me share this snippets of evidence. We 268 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: know that about ten of people are conscious at the 269 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: moment of their passing. Okay, of those two thirds, I 270 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: mean a massive two birds have death bed visions. They 271 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: are seen, they were semi comats, and they lost all 272 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: the faculties. Um, they were just laying in bed, and 273 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:59,239 Speaker 1: twelve twenty four, thirty six hours before actually passing, they 274 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: seem to a cap. Their demeanor changes completely, and they 275 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: talk to people nobody else sees, not always somebody some 276 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 1: sometimes they are also seen. And those are the shared 277 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 1: death experiences. But let's let's stay with DBVs. And they say, oh, 278 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: here's here's my mom, here's my brother his I mean 279 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: deceased relatives who have who are constantly said to have 280 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: come to take them over to facilitate the passing, and 281 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: and and there's this is much more complex than that. 282 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: And just you know, big paint brushes, right, So death 283 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: bed visions and other end of life phenomena painted very 284 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: rosy picture of the moment of passing. Can we believe that? 285 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: Or are we fooling ourselves. I don't want to be 286 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: taken for a right. I mean as mad as I'm 287 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: happy to have this rational belief. And really, I mean 288 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: for me, is a terror to be you know, to 289 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: believe something that's false. Well, let's look at it. Let's 290 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: look at the phenomenon. Let's look at what explanations have 291 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: been attempted or tentatively proposed, and we see that none 292 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: of the normal explanations can actually account for the clinical facts. 293 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: So we established the credibility of the bbs. Then we 294 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 1: do the same for near leath experiences. To quite some extent. 295 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: Step into the light is not daytime television. I'm sorry 296 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: to say. I know that I'm cutting off a part 297 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: of the potential readership. Here is not an academic text, 298 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: but it requires some commitment. You have to engage with 299 00:23:54,560 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: the evidence if you want to arrive at the beautiful belief, 300 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: if that can take away your fear of death, you 301 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: have to engage with the evidence. So you have to 302 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: understand that death bed visions are credible, near death experiences 303 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: are credible, and it is reasonable to trust what spirit 304 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 1: communicators tell us. It is reasonable to believe that they 305 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: are who or what they claim to be. And I 306 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: mean it takes quite a few pages to get to 307 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: the understanding. Once we've or I have let were together, 308 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: Once we've established me and the reader that those sources 309 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: of information are credible, then the second part of the 310 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: book looks at what they actually say and what it was. Again, 311 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: so interesting from from the personal, the human point of view, 312 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: and from the intellectual point of view is to see 313 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: that people from totally different traditions, backgrounds, cultures, previous religious 314 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: beliefs or non beliefs, they essentially say the same things. 315 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: Dr Parisetti, let's go to a quick break and then 316 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,479 Speaker 1: you can pick up where you left off. You're listening 317 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio 318 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast A and Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome 319 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and 320 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: we are here with Dr Piero Parisetti, author of Step 321 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: into the Light. Transform your fear of death by learning 322 00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: about life afterlife. Let's continue the people pull from totally 323 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: different traditions backgrounds, cultures, previous religious beliefs or non beliefs. 324 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: They essentially say the same things. We know that from 325 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: near death experiences, but it's amazing to see the same 326 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: thing coming from death bed visions and from spirit communication. 327 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: And even more intriguing, many of the things they say 328 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 1: concerning the afterlife and what happens to us are in 329 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: direct contrasts to what is said by established religions, and that, 330 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 1: for me is a further element that indicates that they're 331 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: they're real sources because they're relating not what you would 332 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 1: expect their beliefs to be, they are relating an actual experience. 333 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: So that's what Step into the Light is is all about, 334 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 1: and in the big picture, after reading it and not 335 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: just reading it, but I think everyone has to go 336 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: on this journey for themselves. And it's great to believe 337 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: what other people say, but we need to experience it 338 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: for ourselves to really get it, to really embrace the truth. 339 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: But what do you see possible? I mean it's not 340 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 1: only just not having a fear of death, that's possible. 341 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: What's possible with how people live life? Study what's possible 342 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: to say how can people live life differently with having 343 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: this information living if live in a met off the ground, 344 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: if you see, if you, if you get study this 345 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: came out of somewhere. But really, when you realize that 346 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 1: this all important life that we think is the only way, 347 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: people say our life is too short and it's the 348 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: only one we have, etcetera. Well, actually, not, actually not, 349 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: life is much grander than we can possibly think. And 350 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: I mean, if really you spoke about the greater scheme 351 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 1: of things here, I'm really thinking of the greatest, greatest, 352 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: greatest scheme of things. And I mean and and we 353 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: we do draw that conclusion. And finally enough at the 354 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: beginning and at the end of the book. Life exists 355 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: at various different levels Earth or whatever material world we 356 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: happen to be living, and at certain stages is one 357 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: of those levels. There are other levels which we visit, 358 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: apparently reportedly in a cyclical fashion. It seems, it appears 359 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: we can conclude all these expressions. We can conclude that 360 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: life is formed, or consists of, rather a series of cycles, 361 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: including an earthly or otherwise material incarnation, followed by sojourns 362 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: in various levels of the spiritual realms. There's not one afterlife. 363 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: There are many and there are often even in traditional 364 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: spiritual traditions that you know they speak about the seven 365 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: heavens and and and everything. There are concentric spheres if 366 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: you want, or or or or different levels, the material 367 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: level being the what I said lowest it is. It 368 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: is low, but it's not judgmental. It happens to be 369 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: the more solid, the more material, and then you move 370 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: when when you shed the physical body, you move into 371 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: or through progressively more refined, more spiritual, less material planes 372 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: of existence. But it is always existence. It's the same 373 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: existence we are experiencing now. We exist in a non 374 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: material world, and then we do reincarnate. That's the only 375 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: conclusion we can draw from testimony and from evidence. And 376 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: this happens how many times. I don't know how many 377 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: angels can dance on the on on a pinhead, I 378 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,719 Speaker 1: don't know, but players, I would say, many times. And 379 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: we go through the cycle of earthly incarnation and life 380 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: in the different spheres, so to speak, of the of 381 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: the spirit world. But this is not a line. We're 382 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: not on the same level all. This is not a 383 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: flat process. This is an upward process. I see it 384 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: as a spiral going up because the meaning, the final 385 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: the quintessential. The fundamental meaning of existence is making experiences, 386 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: is experiencing the very fact of experiences, and these experiences accumulate, 387 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: they contribute to wisdom, to the age of our personality, 388 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: of our soul, to the point that at some stage, 389 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: when we've accumulated enough experiences through many of these cycles, 390 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: then when it's time to go back and dncarnate, well 391 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: not anymore. Then we do finally merge into this unity 392 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: fundamental until consciousness. Call it God if you want to 393 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: be religious, if you want to call it that with 394 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: a religious a term, I'd rather call it cosmic consciousness 395 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: or the ultimate nature of reality. And here I speak personally. 396 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: I'm not speaking about evidence of our act anymore. That's 397 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: my personal convictions. After studying these things for many years, 398 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: after yeah, reflecting and thinking, I became convinced that the 399 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: ultimate nature of reality is not matter, his consciousness. Consciousness 400 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: creates matter and not all the way around. I know this, 401 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: it's difficult, but that's what I believe you and there 402 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: are and there are very very very strong arguments that 403 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: can be made for that, okay, And if that is true, 404 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: that is perfectly consistent with what we are told by 405 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: our sources of information, and therefore, at the end of 406 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: these many cycles and processes and everything, we go back 407 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: into being what we've always been, consciousness. We were consciousness 408 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: to begin with. We manifested in earthly incarnations and unearthly 409 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: incarnations the same. We manifest on earth as material beings 410 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: and in the spirit world as non material beings, but 411 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: we still manifest as beings. And then at the end 412 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: of the process, like a wave that has formed from 413 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: the ocean and goes back in the ocean, but it 414 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: was ocean all the time, and we've been consciousness awareness 415 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: all the time. That all that's all that exists. It's 416 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,719 Speaker 1: very well said. And there's an author named Mike Dooley 417 00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: who always says thought's become things, so to the good ones. 418 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: So I want to just remind everyone who's listening right 419 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: now about what you said about when things happen and 420 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: they go through the mind. Someone had said the mind 421 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: can make a heaven out of hell or hell out 422 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: of heaven. And so with concepts like say reincarnation or 423 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: merging into greater consciousness, there can be fear that comes 424 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: up about well, what's going to happen, And there's arguments 425 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: on both sides for reincarnation and different things. And I 426 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: always tell people go with what feels right, you know, 427 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: don't believe in perfect We're all on our own journeys. 428 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: But be careful of what the mind says. Because even 429 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 1: when I was a five year old child, I wasn't 430 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,919 Speaker 1: thinking so far into the future as to what's life 431 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: going to be like now, And the same thing happens 432 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: to be afraid right now for what could happen in 433 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: a thousand years merging into the consciousness. We have to 434 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: trust that we have made it this far in life. 435 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,760 Speaker 1: We've made it through grief, We've made it through obstacles 436 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: and struggles and even the terrible things people have made 437 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: it through. But the bottom line is we made it through. 438 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: So we will still be us in the afterlife and 439 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: we will continue, but we won't have this negative self talk. 440 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: This is addressed again. Sorry for coming back to the book, 441 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: you know, because these are crucial questions that needs addressing, 442 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: and these are addressed specifically with very specific quotes that 443 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 1: again in a way which we do not begin to 444 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: understand that merging and in a thousand or ability whatever 445 00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: you know, time apparently is a very earthly concept that 446 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:06,720 Speaker 1: doesn't apply to other parts of our existence. But let's say, 447 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: in this distant future, when we will apparently reportedly merge 448 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: back into consciousness, we will not lose our individuality. And 449 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: this is mysterious and marvelous. So even if now we've 450 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: taken care of your death fear of death tomorrow or 451 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,720 Speaker 1: you know, in in in to the thirty forty fifty 452 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: years now, don't have the fear. Don't replace that with 453 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: the fear of merging back into consciousness, because that's not 454 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:45,240 Speaker 1: that's not really granted you. You we do somehow retain 455 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:51,319 Speaker 1: our individuality even as part of this cosmic hall. Let 456 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:56,240 Speaker 1: me take a last stab if I may, on why 457 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:02,720 Speaker 1: it's important to know what happens when we die and afterwards, 458 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: let me interrupt just for a second, because I think 459 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: this would be a good time to go to the 460 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: break and then you can come back with your last stab. 461 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I 462 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:19,320 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. 463 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sander Champlain. 464 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: We are with Dr Piero Parasetti, author of Step into 465 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: the Light, transform your fear of death by learning about 466 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 1: life afterlife and dr you are just about to say 467 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: why it's so important that we believe in life after death. 468 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,320 Speaker 1: We have been repeatedly told and you know. The second 469 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: part of the book is essentially made up of quotes. 470 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: They are organized quotes and and systematized and understands introduction 471 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: and commentary to the quotes. But these are quotes from 472 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,359 Speaker 1: the sources. We established the credibility of the sources, now 473 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 1: we want to use them. Okay, on this particular subject, 474 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: there is really an insistent on the part of our 475 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: diseased friends on the other side, that being prepared, knowing 476 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,439 Speaker 1: what's going to happen to you once you share your 477 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: physical body is essential to avoid a period of confusion 478 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:55,240 Speaker 1: and bewilderment, which can actually be unpleasant. And some people 479 00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: experience when either they suffer a sudden death they were 480 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: not prepared off for, or they have not thought about this, 481 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,879 Speaker 1: they don't know what to expect, expect, or maybe they 482 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 1: expect not to exist anymore. That makes the initial period 483 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: of the afterlife possibly unpleasant experience. Remember the medieval Christian 484 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: prayer quoted by the late professor David Fontana blesses Soul, 485 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 1: one of my really intellectual heroes, and he reminded of 486 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: this prayer that says, God save me from a sudden death. 487 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: Why it's the sudden element that's important, because the sudden 488 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: death is a death for which were not prepared and 489 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 1: may lead, as I say, to this moment of yeah, disorientation, bewilderment, 490 00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: and possibly negative experiences, which is temporary because at the 491 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,800 Speaker 1: end of the day, we all naturally, like a bubble, 492 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: like a bubble of air from the bottom of the ocean, 493 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 1: we naturally sore up our discarnet selves, naturally sore towards 494 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: higher dimensions. So that moment of disorientation and negativity is temporary. 495 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,320 Speaker 1: But if you can avoid it, so much the better. 496 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,359 Speaker 1: How to avoid it, be prepared, as the Scouts would say, 497 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: be prepared by knowing what life afterlife is like, and 498 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,280 Speaker 1: our loved ones will be there to greed as I 499 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 1: have full faith in that, indeed, absolutely, absolutely, Amongst the 500 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: many fears about death is the fact that people are 501 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:53,400 Speaker 1: scared of dying alone. We never die alone. We always 502 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: die even at the moment of death, were surrounded by 503 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 1: loved ones. H And if we don't have I don't 504 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: know anybody who doesn't have any This is loved one 505 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: that if we happen not to have we have spiritual 506 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: beings and spirit guides who come and greet you and 507 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:18,480 Speaker 1: help you transition in over so we do not die alone. 508 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: And that's the first beautiful truth about death, apart from 509 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 1: the fact that we don't die. Oh it's wonderful. And 510 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: I think even probably for you and for me, there 511 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 1: are times that we question everything that we've done and learned. 512 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,439 Speaker 1: It's like, is this really happening? I mean, I think 513 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 1: for our human being nous, we're not meant to remember 514 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day the bigger picture, because I 515 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: don't know if there would be the value in life. 516 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:53,360 Speaker 1: We still need some struggles to have successes, and there's 517 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: so many things. But I and probably you live a 518 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: different kind of life because we can't be caught up 519 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,839 Speaker 1: in our humanity too long, because all it takes is 520 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 1: sharing or even are some of our listeners might watch 521 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,839 Speaker 1: a video on YouTube and you think, oh, yeah, that's right. 522 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 1: It is a much bigger picture. So I don't think 523 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 1: we tend to buy into negativity as long. I think 524 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: we can be more powerful in life as opposed to 525 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 1: being a victim, we might say, Okay, maybe this is 526 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: in my life and I've got something to learn from 527 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:34,279 Speaker 1: my soul. Also, I'm with you entirely, and I think 528 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 1: that we owe it to ourselves to try to improve 529 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,880 Speaker 1: ourselves and and you know, to avoid suffering if possible, 530 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,479 Speaker 1: and to create in our material lives the conditions as 531 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:52,840 Speaker 1: possible to be happy. But remember what I said a 532 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 1: moment ago. We come to this Earth or two other 533 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 1: material worlds as well as as we exist here, and 534 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 1: we exist in the spiritual realm for one reason to 535 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,800 Speaker 1: have experiences. And there are certain experiences we are clearly 536 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 1: told which are only possible in the material plane. Not 537 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: all these experiences are positive. Unfortunately, we were not made 538 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 1: or born to be happy all the time. We have 539 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:37,360 Speaker 1: to serenely admit that when we're having unpleasant experiences, we 540 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,800 Speaker 1: don't like it. I really was not well, uh sixth 541 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,839 Speaker 1: Rater ten months ago, and I hated it, and I 542 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,160 Speaker 1: was trying to squirm out of it. And like anybody 543 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 1: would if you have a short tooth, you don't like it, 544 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 1: and you do anything you can to try to come 545 00:43:55,239 --> 00:44:00,200 Speaker 1: out of that. However, from the greater that the far 546 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 1: away perspective. We've taken a moment to go. That is 547 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 1: an experience. That is part of what we came to 548 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 1: this earth for having experiences. And I think, like many 549 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,680 Speaker 1: of us know whether it's a tooth or whether it's 550 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:23,239 Speaker 1: a loved one who dies. Once we've had that experience, 551 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 1: we can make a difference with someone else, whether it's 552 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: you can make it through this, you learn how strong 553 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 1: you are. Absolutely. I had a friend of mine who 554 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,680 Speaker 1: ended up making a lot of money, so much money 555 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,400 Speaker 1: that he bought all the best things, traveled around the world, 556 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 1: shared freely with his friends, and he was miserable because 557 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 1: being happy all the time, you aren't happy all the time. 558 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,920 Speaker 1: You can't. So he gave it up and he's living. 559 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 1: I mean, he still has money, but he's working. He's 560 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,640 Speaker 1: tributing to society, and that's where the true riches are. 561 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,440 Speaker 1: It's a he is a better human being that I say. 562 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to be judgmental, but you know, I mean, yeah, 563 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,799 Speaker 1: I agree. Well, anything else you'd like to share, we're 564 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,319 Speaker 1: coming up to the top. But we've we've discussed a 565 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 1: lot of things, and I enjoyed a lot that was 566 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,320 Speaker 1: It's always an outlet for my enthusiasm, and I really 567 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,719 Speaker 1: thank you for for providing that, and I thank the 568 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:36,839 Speaker 1: listeners who have endured by the blender. As we say 569 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:42,440 Speaker 1: in Glasgow, you may listeners will be baffled because they 570 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:48,000 Speaker 1: hear Italian undertones and Scottish undertones in my speaking. Yes, 571 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 1: I'm Aali, I'm a Glass Region Italian. You're beautiful, You're 572 00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:00,759 Speaker 1: so thank you, Dr Parisetti, and to our sers, don't 573 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,040 Speaker 1: forget to check out his book Step into the Light, 574 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:10,960 Speaker 1: Transform your fear of Death by learning about life after Life. Also, 575 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:15,680 Speaker 1: you can find out more on his website. Dr Parasetti 576 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,719 Speaker 1: dot com, d R P A r I s E 577 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 1: T t I dot com. This has been an incredible 578 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:30,560 Speaker 1: conversation and I'm just reminded by a show my mom 579 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:36,160 Speaker 1: and I watched earlier today. The actor Chris Hemsworth, who 580 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,320 Speaker 1: plays Thor in the Disney movies. He's got a six 581 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:47,520 Speaker 1: part series called Limitless where he learns all about the 582 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:54,320 Speaker 1: human body, the mind, how to live a life with longevity. 583 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,399 Speaker 1: It's an amazing show and he does all kinds of 584 00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:03,440 Speaker 1: crazy things like swimming in ice cold water and dangling 585 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,920 Speaker 1: a hundred feet from a cable car. And having to 586 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,200 Speaker 1: rope climb all the way up to the top, and 587 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,640 Speaker 1: so many things really pushing his limits, but also, like 588 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:19,040 Speaker 1: I said, to learn about longevity. The very last episode 589 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:24,200 Speaker 1: is about aging in the end of life. So they 590 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,920 Speaker 1: put him in a suit that was designed by M 591 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:34,080 Speaker 1: I T. Massachusetts Institute of Technology. That he is this 592 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:39,040 Speaker 1: completely fit man, but this suit makes him feel like 593 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,239 Speaker 1: he's in his mid eighties, so it really restricts his movements. 594 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,840 Speaker 1: He's got to wear glasses that make his vision blurry. 595 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:53,600 Speaker 1: They block out of his hearing. He's wobbly, he just 596 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,160 Speaker 1: is in a body that feels like what many people 597 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,640 Speaker 1: do when they're older. And as a result, they put 598 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:07,480 Speaker 1: him in a retirement community. And the lesson is to 599 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,000 Speaker 1: learn to accept that we're all going to age and 600 00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,359 Speaker 1: death is on the horizon for all of us, and 601 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:20,800 Speaker 1: how we can really live life when we accept aging 602 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,400 Speaker 1: and we accept death. There is a woman at the 603 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,440 Speaker 1: end who does a meditation with him. She is a 604 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:32,840 Speaker 1: deaf dula or a deaf midwife. But there is something 605 00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,960 Speaker 1: that just didn't sit right with me with her words, 606 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,279 Speaker 1: because she was talking about it being the end, being 607 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,040 Speaker 1: the end of him, and I thought, great show, but 608 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:52,080 Speaker 1: what if these death du las talk people through like 609 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,520 Speaker 1: on the exhale, you will open your eyes and you'll 610 00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,479 Speaker 1: be surrounded by your loved one and you may see 611 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,560 Speaker 1: a bright light and things like that. So it just 612 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,960 Speaker 1: left me thinking maybe there's something to record there so 613 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,600 Speaker 1: that we can lose that fear of dying and then 614 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,319 Speaker 1: have that powerful life. I want to thank you for 615 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:21,040 Speaker 1: listening today. As always our home basis we Don't Die 616 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,759 Speaker 1: dot com. Come join our Facebook group, Come join one 617 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,959 Speaker 1: of our medium classes. Get to know your soul as 618 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:34,239 Speaker 1: the mighty one that it is. I'm Sandra Schamplain and 619 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,840 Speaker 1: you've been listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the 620 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:43,000 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. 621 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast 622 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,799 Speaker 1: to Coast Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. 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