WEBVTT - Crush w/ Noel Fisher 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:04.640 Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:07.440 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:09.479 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:10.920 These are our stories. 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:32.240 Done done, Hello, and welcome to That's Mussed Up, an 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:33.520 SVU podcast. 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.480 I'm Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger. 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:41.120 We're here talking s VW, true crime, celebs, fun up top. 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:43.080 We chit chat a little bit, and if you'd like 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:45.640 to know Kara's hair isn't the last samurai type of 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:46.520 vibe at the moment? 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:49.840 Very Tom Curry. Yes, a some hair up, some hair down. 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:54.720 Yes, I'm ready to samurai. And we facetimed yesterday. That 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:58.160 was really fun quick, yes, very brief, very briefly. I 0:00:58.320 --> 0:00:59.600 was chopping up a fruit platter. 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:00.760 What you were doing. 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:04.560 Lisa was living a New York St. Patrick's Day fantasy 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.119 with her friends having fun corn beef. I was also 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:09.759 at a corn beef party with our other friends, preparing 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:11.800 the fruit for my children that won't eat anything. 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:13.160 We're a veg head. 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:17.880 I forgot well because our other friend was also making 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.360 corn beef, and I realized we have so many Irish 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:22.320 corn beef people like, well. 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:23.600 Lane's more just of a chef. 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:27.400 But it is fun that all of us were eating 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:32.120 corn beef throughout the country together and that makes me happy. 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:33.680 So I loved that. 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:38.360 Actually, the thing where I was was fellow RM host 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:44.560 Bananamal kurb Bronneler, and he made these green rice crispy 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:46.600 treats and look the green food coloring. 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:48.000 It didn't turn out that great. 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:51.160 I said, it looks like gravel, but it tasted like heaven. 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:53.680 Like these were the best rice crispery trees. I go, 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:55.120 you got to give me your recipe. He goes, it's 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:56.680 just a rest. I go, No, When I make them, 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:59.280 they're too dry. They get dry. So these were like 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:00.440 so much marshmallow. 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:00.720 He goes. 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:02.320 We were low on rice crispies and I think he 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:03.160 used extra butter. 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.000 And I was like, I want the recipe, like I 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:07.840 need it, Like it was so good. I was eating 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:11.079 so many green gravelly rice crispy treats yesterday. 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:14.440 Well, for me, my great thing was, you know, we 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:16.800 were hanging out all day and then at night was 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.400 when you know, I was drunken high. So then I 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:24.440 made a sandwich with this horse rattish creamy spread that 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:28.280 land made on sour dough rye that I brought, and 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:32.239 then corn beef and oven roasted cabbage and that. 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:33.880 Was my late night dinner. 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.400 And it was amazing and I'm craving it already again, 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:41.519 like I like worse radish and even the smell of 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:42.880 corn beef makes me pumped. 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:45.400 Like I walked into the apartment, I was like. 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:46.040 This is it. 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:47.120 I loved it. 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.800 It's all happening Sheenachet style. But I didn't wear green. 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:52.919 I didn't wear green. I didn't wear green. 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:54.680 We all threw on a little green. The kids were 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:56.679 wearing green, and I like, you know, but it was 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:59.200 really cute. I said, please that video of like all 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.839 these little kids like demanding they they demanded a dance party. 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:04.320 They go, we want to have a dance party. We 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:06.240 brought them into the office. They were like, it has 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.040 to be dark. We shut all the blinds. We put 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.799 on like a little rotating like light that makes, you know, 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.200 shoots light around the room. And then they were demanding 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:15.840 Taylor Swift songs. And so I was like, well, I 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:17.959 have to record this for Lisa. She's gonna love this. 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:21.280 So we sent you know, the kids and like my son. 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:21.799 Was in a dress. 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.680 Huski, my daughter was in a dress, which is weird, 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:28.320 and everybody was pumped. 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:30.880 Oski was in a dress. It was really cute. 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:34.359 Yes, Rosie was demanding sandstorm by dar rude. Then after 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:38.000 a sandstorm we moved into a tailor medley that at 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:42.720 our friend's oldest daughter was obviously like fucking like singing 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:45.120 her heart out like she is tailor's with well. 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:47.840 And that was really shocking because usually she's like, stop 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.560 taping me, get the camera away, I don't want any photos. 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:53.000 And in this one she was singing to the camera 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:57.080 performing at the Grammys. She was so in tune with 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.760 what I wanted. Yeah, I got a Taylor Swift balloon 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:00.040 and give. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.720 It to me by a friend, which you did send 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:04.440 me a picture of and I was like, wow, that 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:05.240 looks so big. 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:07.920 It's such a good bloon. Did you bring it home 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:09.520 on the subway or like in a cab? 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:11.840 I took a car. I took a car. But what 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:14.920 was interesting was she did warm me. 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.400 She goes, I have a surprise for you, And for 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:19.440 some reason I thought she bought me a bath mat 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.000 because I've been talking about like bath mate struggles. 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:22.760 I don't know whatever. 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.120 And when I arrived and it was a Taylor Swift bloon, 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:29.360 and I was a lot happier because I wouldn't even 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:30.920 thought of that, And I can get my own fucking 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:34.160 bath mat right. They just get too dirty engrossed right away. 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:36.240 I don't want to be picking it up and down. 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:38.680 So I have to get like a wood one or 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:41.760 a fast drying like I don't like this rigamarole. 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:43.840 Well, I have a fast drying one. I have a 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:47.279 fasting also black send me a link, so. 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:50.400 It's not picking up every little you know like thing, 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:53.159 and but I washed them when my like every two weeks. 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.160 Basically, I don't want to do that. I don't want 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:55.440 to do that. 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:58.320 And so our friends have this like it's just wood 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:00.880 planks and it doesn't really work and it's kind of 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:02.640 a nightmare. But I think I might do it just 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.760 so I don't have to wash it, wash it or 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.680 deal with this rug. I just don't want. There's just 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:10.520 certain things. It's kind of like when I didn't want 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:12.440 to put the silverware in the containers. 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:14.920 There's just certain things that bother me. 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:16.960 The one I have is not expensive, So what if 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:19.000 you got too and you just like every two weeks, 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:20.560 swapped it out, put it in with your laundry. 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:22.080 But then you have the other putting a rug in 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:24.080 with my laundry. Oh, you don't want to do that. 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:27.600 There's no fucking way. No, okay, okay, okay, No. I mean, 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.720 I'm sure my amazing lady will do a separate wash. 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:31.520 It just sickens me. 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:33.320 I just don't want to do I understand that I 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:35.280 actually put my MAT's in separate I do. 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:39.599 But I did find a nail place. Oooh they look great. Yeah, 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:40.560 so that's really good. 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:41.080 But what is that? 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:43.280 I can't tell? Like a light purple, light pink. It's 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:44.680 a lavender. It's a lavender. 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:48.120 Yeah. I have to do quiet money or luxury or whatever. 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:51.280 I'm filming a short part in a TV show and 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:54.239 I'm an upper class woman, and so I was told 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:56.880 to do quiet luxury nails. 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:00.200 Didn't know that quiet luxury. I love that. Wait, you've 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.320 never heard that. You're not on the internet. You're too busy. 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:03.520 No. 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:06.039 I think I know about quiet luxury. I think we've 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:06.640 mentioned it. 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.960 Yeah, you're Connecticut, of course. Yes, No, I know about 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:12.440 quiet luxury. Oh my god, Kara. So I was in 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:14.760 Philly this weekend. We've been before. I've been before. I 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.279 fell in love with Philly this trip, I truly fell 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:17.680 in love. 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:18.400 Oh, I love it. 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:21.560 I got to do an interview on a trolley and 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:25.279 they took me around. I learned so many cool lessons 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:28.240 I didn't know Philly cheese steaks, Pat, that's a jew. 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.320 The reason it used to be just me and the 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:32.599 reason it's cheese. 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.000 Whiz, It's because it's cheese in a can, so it 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:38.640 didn't fuck with the kosher kitchen. Oh interesting, And that's 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:42.000 how it all started. And I was like, wow, that's exciting. 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:45.360 I went to the Fourth Street Deli. I just there 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:48.160 was something in the air in Philly this weekend where 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:49.680 I fell in love. But I heard about some of 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.760 their killers and they're twisted. I don't know if people 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.000 we have to see if there's an SVU episode based 0:06:55.000 --> 0:07:00.480 on the Cobbler, because this motherfucker sickening killer. But not 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:02.480 only that, he trained his other son to be a 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.040 killer and then together they killed their other son, like 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:06.800 he helped his dad kill his brother. 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:07.919 Oh my god. 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.800 And he was like a shoe cobbler, like fucking sick. Yeah, 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:16.080 he committed later crimes with his twelve year old son. Yeah, 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:19.440 and then there's also a criminal of a cookie monster. 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:24.120 He did have special needs, but he was killing sex workers, 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:25.760 but he carried around a stuffed animal. 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.000 I'm like, Philly, you take everything to. 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:32.160 The next level, Like you guys can't have gritty and 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:36.160 the cookie monster that's too crazy for me, that's too. 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.680 Much, and the hh Holmes and like all of it. 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:39.920 I just wow. 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:43.400 The killers isn't what and the people were just great. 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.480 I just really I felt it. I felt it. 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.120 I like the brick buildings, I felt the history. I 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:50.200 felt it. I love that. 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:52.920 I have to tell you something I did this weekend, 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:57.000 which is I was scrolling my Insta and I see 0:07:57.080 --> 0:08:02.119 this headline for a Vulture article that says Irish Wish 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:06.360 is a crypto fascist AI generated harbinger of doom. If 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.920 you fucking think I did not read that Kara before 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.440 and after watching Irish Wish, then you don't know me. 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:13.680 Oh that's yeah. I have to say, how damn you. 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:15.480 I just want to give a shout out. 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:19.800 The Vulture writer is named Rachel Handler, and I see 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:22.080 this thing and I go, oh my god, Jared, Like, 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:24.120 I'm not going to read the full review, but I 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:25.800 think we should watch Irish Wish. 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.800 So on Saturday night we watched Irish Wish. 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.720 Both of the hosts fell asleep and went to bed, 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:34.360 and I stayed in their house alone to finish Irish Wish. 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:38.640 That is what I did. I was like last night, Yes, amazing. 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:40.600 So I did this on Saturday night. 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:44.520 I literally Jared and I were roasting it so hard 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:47.000 together as it was happening. We were having we were dying, 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:48.640 like I thought I was going to take my inhaler, 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:51.400 Like I was wheezing, Like we were laughing so hard 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:55.240 at how much wacko shit there is in this movie. Like, 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:59.160 and then I went and I read this girl's article afterwards, 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:00.880 and like the combination of the. 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:04.400 Two just really gave me so much joy. 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:06.800 She was such a funny writer, and she was pointing 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:08.560 out most of the stuff that we pointed out. 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:09.760 There were some things she missed. 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.720 Mine is still open in my tabs, like I'm looking 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:15.480 at because that's how much I was so taken by. 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:17.800 It's like, I mean, it's like, you know, we do 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:21.080 both also like to watch Housewives and like read Brian 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.440 moylan recaps, like it is fun to like watch something 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:25.760 that's kind of campy with a funny recap to it, 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:28.480 and this girl's Irish wish recap. She literally just does 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:31.080 a list of like forty to fifty things that are 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:35.199 bunkers about the movie, and it's just so funny. Well, 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:37.559 because this is the thing we are always rooting for 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:41.040 Lindsay Lohan. She has our you know, Princess Diana whatever. 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.240 So I don't think so I just said that, but 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.800 thinking Who's beloved and all the press has been so 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:50.040 good and I've just been so excited, and then it's like, 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:51.160 what is this? 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.040 This is not even what did the premiere feel? 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:55.199 Like? 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.400 Did Steph Curry go to the premiere to support his 0:09:58.559 --> 0:09:59.760 wife and go good job? 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:00.920 Like what? 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.599 I just need to know that what is happening in 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:06.959 everyone's brains as they want, Like it's Lindsay like we 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:07.439 killed it? 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.199 Or is she like is it Ai? What are the sets? 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.520 They're not actually in a car in Times Square? What 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:14.240 is being filmed? What is real? 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.360 No, it's a lot of it is like insane, like 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.679 green screen backdrops like this Times Square, Like some of 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:22.920 the photos that are even lying around the house are 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:25.920 like so photoshopped, Like it's crazy. The script seems like 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:27.679 it was written by Ai, which is what this girl 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:30.160 points out a million times, like it's like not the 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:35.199 way anybody talks. I kind of feel like Lindsay Lohan 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:37.760 was such a talented young actress and she did all 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.400 these like kind of like different varying roles and stuff, 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:43.679 and I think fame broke her a little bit, and 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:48.920 so now we're just giving her gentle easy roles to 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.520 do where it's not really flexing her acting muscles very hard. 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:53.960 But she looks good. 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.480 Now I understand the genre, Like to me, okay, you're 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:00.319 doing a Hallmark Christmas movie, like this is for the 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:01.640 masses for a holiday. 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:03.680 But this isn't even that genre. 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:07.400 It's really more twisted than I could have ever imagined, 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:10.839 how weird and funky it is. That Like, why is 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.439 a tour bus of Ireland dropping people off door to 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:14.000 door at. 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:16.280 Door to do at their house? No, I mean that's 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:16.760 why I go. 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:18.880 The bus is backing up now the bus drove her 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:21.680 down a driveway and is backing out, Like what's happening? 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:24.599 Also, nothing in Ireland looks like that, Like, I'm not 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:26.480 a profet. I've only been to Ireland. Well, I've been 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:28.840 there three times thank you. I do love it there. 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:31.199 I've been to the Cliffs of More where they go, 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:35.439 but it just is so And then I like the 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:39.400 way she described that the Irish winking woman that shows 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:40.880 up out of nowhere wearing a quilt. 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:41.440 Yeah. 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:44.720 Oh, and Jane Seymour also just the four D looks bad, 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:48.719 like it's just too I don't know. 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:51.040 Everyone should watch it though. 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:52.920 And I like how they also make fun of like 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:58.240 expository language, like I understand sometimes you do have to 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:02.839 explain thing so the audience knows, but the dialogue is 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:05.240 so heavy handed, or like they go to Jane Seymour 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.120 and she works out of college and just like over 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:10.720 the football field it says like University of des Moines, 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:12.680 like in giant lights on a field. 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:15.880 The lettering was so insane because it's not like they 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.200 went back and we're like back in Ireland or they 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:20.880 or they wrote this place in Ireland in the same 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:24.640 massive lettering. Like the lettering was so insane. Everything was crazy. 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:27.880 All the choices were wild. I did not understand anything. 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:33.520 But if you want to see a ninety minute enjoyable, roastable, funny, 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:35.359 don't have to think about. 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:38.360 It movie, but also scary this is the future if 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:40.839 we do not invest in art. Yes, like this is 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:43.520 what you get, like if you guys are not terrified 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:47.760 of AI and the like modernization of whatever. I don't 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:49.599 even know what words to use, but this is the 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:52.440 future if we do not take a grass Agreed. Agreed. 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:56.000 And it was interesting to read in the article some 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:58.480 stuff I didn't know, which was like that Lindsay Lohan's 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:01.040 husband is like a co producer of the movie and 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:04.880 that's why, like she's really dressed very modestly the whole time. 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:07.480 She's dressed like she's going to a job interview in 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:10.840 two thousand and seven. There's no kissing, there's no low 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:14.599 cut anything like, no, like everybody is so modest, Like 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:17.640 it's really it's like it feels like it's for like 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:19.160 Maga tradwives. 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:20.320 Like I don't know, it's wild. 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:24.559 But I also laughed my ass off watching it and 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:28.120 reading this article as an accompaniment. So read it, watch it, 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:31.599 enjoy it, but just be careful because this is what 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:33.040 Oscar movies are gonna look like. 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:35.800 Well be cause that is that's what else. 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.120 I was thinking, Oh, we're watching this and we see 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.040 the flaws and like, are there people watching this going. 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:43.559 That was awesome. I got to tell my cousin to 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:43.920 watch it. 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.079 A lot of the comments were just like it's camp, 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:48.439 don't take it so seriously, and I'm like, yeah, it's camp. 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:50.480 And she's writing about how it's camp and funny. I mean, like, 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:53.319 I don't think, but the comments are like, I loved it. 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.920 I just thought it was fun and like light and easy. 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.680 I think some people times when the world is in shambles, 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:04.000 some people need really mindless stuff to lean on. 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:05.320 Because I liked her Winter one. 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:08.040 We watched her like Christmas Christmavie last year, and I 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:12.599 thought that one was truly like Casa Blanca. 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:14.440 Compared to this one, you know what I mean, Like. 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.640 Yeah, because I think also they let Lohand be a 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:20.520 little bit of like the bitch at the beginning, so 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:22.560 she kind of had like a character shift and was 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:24.960 funny in that Christmas one, because the Christmas one was 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.240 basically overboard, where you know, amnesia and then she becomes 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.920 a nice person. But like I I don't know, I 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:34.360 just had a blast. I really had a blast watching 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:35.920 this insane fucking movie. 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:37.160 But I agree, I. 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.480 Don't want to see more of these. I just wanted 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:41.680 to be this one special one for me. So she's 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.360 like a book editor. You know, she edits this guy's book, 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:47.080 but then she keeps carrying the book everywhere. She goes 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.760 like put the book down. And at the party, her. 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:54.520 Best friend Steph Curry's wife Ayosha Curry goes, she goes, 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:56.880 you really killed it on the cover art? Stunning? Are 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:58.320 you seeing it for the first time today at the 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:02.840 book release party? You're the book editor. What's happening? Everything 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:04.040 is so insane. 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:05.640 And then my friend reminded me of this. 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:07.800 I don't know if you remember this, because I think 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.400 I blocked it out, But remember Lindsay Lohan five years 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:13.320 ago did try to kidnap children off the street. 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:14.360 Do you remember. 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:18.320 No, they were like Syrian refugees, like a Syrian family 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:20.920 was hanging out, and Lindsay Lohan tried to take the 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:24.080 kids away from the mom to quote unquote save them. 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:25.920 And then in the article it sad the mom punched 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:30.000 Lindsay to make her drop her children, and Lindsay's like, 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:31.800 I was just trying to help these refugees, and the 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.800 mom's like, we don't need your help. Stop taking my children. 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.680 And she tried to kidnap Syrian children off the street. 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.840 I mean, she has incredible pr I'm sorry the fact 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:43.160 that none of us remembered it. She brought that up 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:44.560 to me and I go, what are you talking about? 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:46.880 She was just dancing in Greece. They go, no, no, 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:49.040 she was trying to kidnap children off the street. And 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.040 I totally forgot that so crazy. 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.000 You don't remember it, do you? I don't. I now 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:56.480 that you're saying it. It's it's ringing a bell. It's 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:58.880 not like totally not ringing a bell. But I forgot. 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:00.800 I mean, she was doing a lot of crazy shit 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:01.200 back then. 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.520 It was the mikon Nos and like the you know, 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:05.360 there was a lot of crazy stuff happening with the 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:08.600 Lindsay Lohan beach club, and owning a beach club is 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.120 different than then capping a family. 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:13.280 I understand that. I understand that. 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.720 It doesn't feel like she got as close to it 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:19.240 as I mean, I don't think they were calling Olivia Benson. 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:22.560 But you know, that is really fucked. That's very fucked. Obviously, 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:24.880 let's start. We got to get into this because okay, 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.520 we have the Guests of the Century. We have a 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:32.120 crazy good episode for you guys today so let's get going. 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I was telling 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:10.240 Lisa this earlier, but this is one of those episodes 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:13.359 like I know I've seen it, but I absolutely suppressed it. 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:15.440 So it was very thrilling for me to rewatch it 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:17.119 because it felt like a brand new episode to. 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:18.840 Me, not for me, not for me. 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:21.119 I know this pretty well. I probably didn't even have 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.919 to watch it again to really I really. 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:24.640 Know it well. 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:26.719 I know it because you know it has we'll get 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:28.480 to it. But it has a guest star who is 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.359 I'm obsessed with. She's just such a bitch. Yeah, and 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:34.280 I know that I've seen her episode, But as I 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:36.639 was watching this, I was like, wait, what happens? Like 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:38.800 I didn't know what happened, so I was really excited 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:40.680 to rewatch it. Of course, now I've rewatched it twice. 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.720 So the first thing we see when we open that 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:45.520 episode is an extreme close up of a girl being 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:48.600 kind of slammed against a locker. But then she's being 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:51.640 made out with Is it against her will? We can't tell. 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:53.920 She doesn't look like she's having fun. She looks a 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:56.800 little distressed. Then the camera pulls out and it's a 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:59.280 high school couple making out against the lockers, and now 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:01.359 she seems a little bit more into it. This is 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:03.879 going to be a theme, you know, throughout the episode. 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:06.440 The bell rings and she's like, okay, horn dog, I 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:07.040 have class. 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:09.760 What's the theme? Lockers or like game? 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:14.360 No, just like loving somebody but also not being comfortable 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:16.400 with things that are going on, and you know, being 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:18.040 something like are you into it or you not in 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:20.720 you know, like that kind of thing. So yeah, the 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:23.280 bell rings and she's like, okay, horn dog, I have class, 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.119 Like get your denim boner off of me. And she's very, 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:30.520 very blonde, and he has a lot of hair, and 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:32.399 this is what when I was in high school, we 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.880 called these guys lettuce heads and it was the classic 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:37.480 soccer player hair, like this is what all the soccer 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:41.080 guys looked like, just like curly, like wiry hair that 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.880 was just kind of like barely brushed. So this little 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.800 lettuce headman looks like he plays soccer. But that's just 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:49.440 my experience and it's like, yeah, he just looks like 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:52.960 he forgot what a haircut is. And this actress playing 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:57.480 the blonde is named Carly Schroeder, and she worked for 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:00.720 a while and was a recurring character on Maguire, but 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:03.840 then she left the business and actually joined the Army 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:08.359 in twenty nineteen, so she's currently in the army. So 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:10.879 thank you for your service, Carly, both on SVU and 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:14.280 you know, in the army. And then the boyfriend is 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:18.160 played by Alexander Nifong who had a moment but quit 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:21.199 acting like ten years ago. So nothing nothing there, uh, 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:24.320 in terms of our IMDb deep dives. So the guy's like, Okay, 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:26.359 call me later, and they say I love you to 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.359 each other, and then right after they part ways, this 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:32.320 random guy goes, we all love you, Kim, And you know, 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:34.840 through the camera work and the music, you can feel 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:37.440 like suddenly all the eyes of every kid in this 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:41.800 bustling hallway are on her, like everyone's giggling, whispering, and 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.440 the one guy goes and we've seen what he loves, 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:47.040 like the line readings are very bad. And then a 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:50.280 girl goes, hey, Kim, wanna borrow my wonderbra Like it's 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:53.000 literally feels like a dream, like where you show up 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:56.479 naked to school or something and everybody's, you know, staring 0:19:56.520 --> 0:20:00.880 at you and giggling. So someone says, when's the next show? 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.800 And who else you putting out for? So we're getting 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:06.639 the idea here that there's some kind of you know, 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:11.960 like high school pictures or something involved. Kim looks confused 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:15.120 and humiliated, and in all of this hubbub, she slips 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:17.920 and falls down the stairs in a full action movie 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:20.320 tumble like it's very movie of the week, like she's 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:23.160 ass over teakettle, just really rolling. 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:23.800 Down those stairs. 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:26.440 So at the hospital, now Benson a sailer there getting 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:27.480 the rundown from a doctor. 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:29.320 The girl's name is Kimberly Garnett. 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:32.920 She's fifteen and she's in a coma from an intracranial bleed. 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:35.719 Elliott and Olivia are like, okay, why are we here? 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:37.920 And the doctor's like well, this girl's been abused. We 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:40.880 found a bruise on her scalp that's unrelated to this fall, 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:43.320 and he guesses she was kicked in the head a 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:45.720 couple of days ago and it wasn't the first time. 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:49.080 She's got calcifications on her brain from an old subdrylhematoma, 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:52.000 maybe eight to ten months old. Full body scan showed 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:55.919 healed ribs, bone chips, a previous evulsion in the shoulder, 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:58.600 and Olivia is like, somebody's beating the hell out of her. 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:00.920 Dun't dunt, dun, duh, duh. 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:04.359 And then we're at the credits and now top of 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:08.200 act one, Kim's mother, Liz is talking to the cops 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:10.560 as she looks like through a window at her daughter 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:13.720 in the hospital bed. And she's played by Kelly Overbee, 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:17.000 who was familiar to me. She also played the mother 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:22.720 in the episode Complicated, which is not Stranger. It's another 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:25.240 episode where a missing girl shows up after years and 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:28.480 it's not really her because in reality, the girl's brother 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:31.359 killed her Jean Benet style, and the dad, who is 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:33.880 from Nurse Jackie, helped cover it up. If that's helping 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:36.520 jog your memory on that episode, So she's the mom 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:38.679 in that episode, who's like so happy that her daughter's 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:41.160 home even though it's not her. And then also recently 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:44.240 she's been in more recent seasons playing a judge. She's 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:49.480 Judge Christine Rayburne in episode Breakwater, which we just covered 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:53.080 about the most powerful lifeguard in New York, and so 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:56.639 that's where we've seen her before. So Benson is chatting 0:21:56.680 --> 0:22:00.480 with her about her daughter's like myriad injuries and one 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:03.320 she thought was a basketball injury. But Benson's like, yeah, 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:05.359 what about the ribs? And the mom's like, wait, what 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:06.760 someone's hurting my baby? 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:07.520 And I didn't even know. 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:11.840 We're bouncing back and forth to obviously a gender divided questioning. 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:14.760 We're stablers talking to the dad and he's like, oh, 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:17.840 why didn't she tell us, and stablers like, you know, shame, 0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:20.760 you know, maybe she's scared of whoever's been hurting her. 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:23.120 And the dad's like, well, her grades had slipped from 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:25.639 a's to b's. We've been honored to drop a sport 0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:27.680 and clean up her act. And I was like, wow, 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:31.000 imagine if my parents were just begging me to drop 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:33.480 a sport to get my grades up. The dad's like, 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:36.280 everything's fine at home. But I've been unemployed for a while, 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:39.320 and this is very of the time. He was a 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:42.679 senior VP at Leman and got fired before the bankruptcy 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:45.880 for warning everybody that they were fucked. So I lived 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:47.520 in the city at this time. I was friends with 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:49.639 people who worked at like Lehman and bear Stearns, and 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:52.560 it was like these banks went like tits up in nine. 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:55.239 If you don't remember that, this is very specifically one 0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:57.040 of those banks that this guy worked for. And I 0:22:57.160 --> 0:23:01.080 loved that they're nodding to the current climate. So back 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:03.280 to the mom and she's like, yeah, the dad's been 0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:05.440 angry because he can't find another job, but him and 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:08.600 Kim are so close Daddy's little girl, And I'm like, 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:11.080 I just want to burn that phrase like forever. 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:12.480 I want it gone. 0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:15.000 I know, but did you see the daddy daughter dance 0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:17.719 that I posted? That was like the most incredible thing ever. 0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:19.560 And I go, this is the only daddy daughter dance 0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:21.840 I can get behind. Was it Russell Wilson and his daughter? 0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:21.920 No? 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:24.320 Who wasn't. No, it was not Russell Wilson. No, it wasn't. 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:27.880 Okay not but it was an amazing performance. 0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:29.440 We'll have to post it it was just like it 0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:31.520 was more of a on a recital, so it was 0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:35.360 a performance, not a virginity based party, you know. Yeah, 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:38.240 but he just like showed out and the girl was 0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:40.240 amazing and they were doing lifts and her form was 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:42.760 so good and it was just like and they skipped 0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:45.240 off together at the end and it was really cute. 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:47.760 They did a lift like dirty dancing style, right. 0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:50.040 There was lifts, there was lists, yeah, yeah, and they 0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:52.720 both just like killed it and it was really cute 0:23:52.920 --> 0:23:55.720 and fun. That's great to find one daddy daughter thing 0:23:55.760 --> 0:23:56.440 that I don't hate. 0:23:56.560 --> 0:23:59.280 Is pretty cool. A daddy daughter performance. Let's do it. 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:01.800 There's a guy on TikTok I really love who does 0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:04.160 like gymnastics with his daughter and like he's always lifting 0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:06.359 her up because he's a gymnast, and like I love that. 0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:08.880 It's like the whole getting dressed up and like going 0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:10.960 on a date with your dad. I know some of 0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:12.440 you have written us and said you've done it and 0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:13.840 it was cute and sweet, and I want you to 0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:14.480 have that memory. 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:16.080 It's just I don't like the vibe for me. 0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:20.639 As long as it is not based on your mind 0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:22.200 until your husband. 0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:26.760 Yeah, you give me your virginity. Yeah, this is about God. 0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:32.000 Like, yeah, I feel like a daddy daughter party is cool, right, 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:33.720 not slow dancing or. 0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:36.840 Like go camping with your dad. Do something that's like useful. 0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:39.119 I don't know, like go survive in the wilderness for 0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:40.040 two days with your dad. 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:42.359 I do not want to camp. I would rather go 0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:43.440 dance than camp. 0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:46.119 Caara, I was thinking about Rosie and Rosie would like 0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:47.840 to go camping with her dad, but Jared would be. 0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:49.960 So bad at it, and it just really got me laughing. 0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:54.359 But also just the phrase daddy's girl. I just don't 0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:57.639 like daddy's little girl, like you're I just don't like it. 0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:00.720 It's like, yeah, I don't know. But at the same time, 0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:02.439 I do always say my son is a mama's boy, 0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:04.440 so maybe I'm being a hypocrite. He is obsessed with me. 0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:07.440 But Rosie's not a daddy's girl. I wouldn't say she 0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:10.640 likes this sequally memore, but you know she likes her dad. 0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:11.560 No, don't worry. 0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:17.600 I've been in the Instagram comments fighting about just men 0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:20.600 feeling forgotten after their wives give birth, and I'm like, 0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:23.440 I'll kill you, I'll die. Oh my god, you won't 0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:25.159 be forgotten. If you did some work, why don't you 0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:26.520 get up and do something no one will forget you. 0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:29.080 Then did you see the British video will You Make 0:25:29.080 --> 0:25:30.920 a Roast? And she just had a baby two days ago. 0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:33.240 I was just hoping it wasn't real. I was just 0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:35.120 I had to hope it wasn't real. But of course 0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:37.520 I watched it. That is my wheelhouse. I really hope 0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:40.240 it's not real because it's so fucking great. And I 0:25:40.400 --> 0:25:42.720 loved like she was so funny, Like I just love 0:25:42.720 --> 0:25:44.480 the way she was standing up for herself. But she 0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:46.760 has to leave, like you have to leave the people, 0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:50.240 Like it's just insane. But I was in it with 0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:53.760 this guy and he's like, ugh, Mother's Day so many gifts. 0:25:53.800 --> 0:25:56.640 Father's Day is the least gifted holiday. And I go, yep, 0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:58.520 men don't spend time with their children or care or 0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:00.959 take care of them. I'm like this generation of men, 0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:03.119 I think is more. You know, the statistics say more 0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:05.480 than ever, Like you know, men change diapers now and 0:26:05.480 --> 0:26:07.560 shut up. But I'm like, yeah, do not take care 0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:09.359 of your kids, be at work all day, not give 0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:12.120 a shit, golf on the weekends, and then expect Father's 0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:13.640 Day to be a popen holiday. 0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:15.800 It's like so insane to me. 0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:18.879 And then to even discuss why Mother's Day is more 0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:21.320 important than Father's Day or like that they feel forgotten 0:26:21.920 --> 0:26:25.919 when women are straight up dying, giving birth, right, getting injured, 0:26:26.000 --> 0:26:28.280 but even postpartum, all of this stuff. 0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:31.320 I keep having a delete Instagram. I just the kids. 0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:34.240 The kids can feel who's carrying the mental load. Let's 0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:35.919 just say that they can feel it, or the. 0:26:36.040 --> 0:26:38.480 Caring or any of it. And of course they're going 0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:40.920 to do it. And if you are jealous of that, 0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:46.440 do more. Like it's just so wild. It's like, yeah, 0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:49.640 you're not the center of it. Yeah, and it's moved over. 0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:53.159 But the internet, the roast thing was that was wild, 0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:55.800 I know, but that's crazier than just I don't know, 0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:58.200 because I saw one video of a woman whatever it 0:26:58.280 --> 0:26:59.320 was about, shoveling snow. 0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:05.119 Narcissus. Don't change whenever read a book. Keep talking. Okay, crush, 0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:07.040 does this make you want an orange soda? Oh? 0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:10.280 I love orange crush and grape crush. Me too, well, 0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:12.960 I have ollipop, orange and grape in the fridge. You're 0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:16.719 a change person, Ollipop. 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And he's pressing the dad and the dad's 0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:49.280 like shut up, and he's not having it, and Stabler's like, 0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:49.800 I get it. 0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:52.160 I hate my daughters too, dating guys. 0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:55.080 I don't like giving me lip talking back, and the 0:27:55.119 --> 0:27:57.480 guy keeps telling him stop it, but Stabler keeps going 0:27:57.560 --> 0:27:59.960 and pushing until the dad ends up pummeling a gennery 0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:03.680 vending machine that says refreshments on it, so it's a 0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:04.760 real outburst, and. 0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:06.840 Then he goes, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, that's not who 0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:10.040 I am. And it's like, sir, like I don't know, no, 0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:11.119 I'm sorry. 0:28:11.280 --> 0:28:15.520 If someone accused you of raping your child and you didn't, 0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:16.800 I bet you'd swing a punch. 0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:19.119 Oh sure, I mean, well he was accusing him of 0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:22.680 meeting her up, not not sexually assaulting her, but also 0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:24.280 wouldn't you swear? 0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:26.320 Yeah, it's just like punching a vending machine. 0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:26.720 Who is that? 0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:27.159 I don't know. 0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:29.119 I don't get I just don't. It's it's just not 0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:31.840 wired in my brain to hurt myself to get my 0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:35.320 anger out. No, I usually scream, yeah, yeah, I scream, 0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:37.119 or I walk away. I run away because I like 0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:42.840 get too mad. So the mom runs in when she 0:28:42.960 --> 0:28:46.560 hears the vending machine assault and like the guys swearing 0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:48.960 up and down, I didn't hurt Kimmy, And they're like, 0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:51.760 is there anyone She confides in, and sure enough, let 0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:54.520 us head boyfriend. His name is Steve Walker, and the 0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:56.560 parents stare pissed at the sound of his name, and 0:28:56.600 --> 0:28:58.640 they're like, well, we just think they spend a little 0:28:58.640 --> 0:28:59.640 too much time together. 0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:02.440 So cuts to the pool. All right, I was wrong 0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:03.600 a swimmer. He's not. 0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:07.240 In my experienced swimmers have more close cropped haircuts because 0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:08.080 of the swim cap. 0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:09.480 No, you're wrong. 0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:13.560 They grow their hair long for resistance and then shave 0:29:13.880 --> 0:29:15.160 shave it right before I meet. 0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:16.560 Yes, got it. 0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:18.800 Sorry to stop you early, but you know, I am 0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:21.480 a pro got it swimming. Yeah, but it just that's 0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:24.000 not what I imagine immediately. I think it's because I 0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:28.240 imagine like Michael Phelps and like not like that crazy curls. Anyway, 0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:31.000 he's getting out of the pool talking to the cops 0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:32.000 like she's gonna be okay. 0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:32.320 Right. 0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:34.360 They've been dating for about a year. They were really 0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:36.280 good friends. She tutored him in math, and then like 0:29:36.480 --> 0:29:39.400 you know, things just happened. And he's like, her parents 0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:41.560 hate our relationship, which sucks because we always have to 0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:43.400 go back to my place to bone. And it's like, 0:29:43.760 --> 0:29:45.600 why does it matter where you bone if you're getting it. 0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:48.520 You're getting sex at the age of fifteen or sixteen, 0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:52.320 like whatever, stop talking about where you're doing it. He's like, 0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:53.880 I wanted to do it over the weekend, but she 0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:55.920 said she couldn't because she had some wedding to go to. 0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:59.120 And he starts to pick up like on what the 0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:01.080 cops are in sin waiting because they're asking all these 0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:01.720 questions that. 0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:03.520 Like you think I hit her. 0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:07.400 It's like yes, sir, and they're like, well somebody did, 0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:09.520 and he's like, no way, not me, and he did 0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:11.720 notice a couple months ago she didn't want to mess 0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:14.160 around because her shoulder was fucked up, and he noticed 0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:16.720 bruises on her ribs and she told him it was 0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:19.080 from her boxing class. But no one's supposed to know 0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:21.680 about that. So now we cut to a one of 0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:24.000 the most classic Law and Order guest star moves. I 0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:26.360 can see is just a boxing instructor who will not 0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:28.800 stop hitting a punching bag for even a second to 0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:31.200 have a conversation with the cops. Like she's just pummeling 0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:34.000 a bag, acting like the cops are just you know, 0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:37.680 like breaking her focus. So she's like, oh, yeah, I've 0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:40.400 got a class of teen girls. Kim is the best one. 0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:43.120 She never misses a class. And they tell her that 0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:45.520 Kim's hurt, and she's like, I got one guess for you. 0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:48.840 A dirt bag named Rick Edwards, And I'm like, did 0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:49.760 he run for president? Know? 0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:50.600 That was John Edwards. 0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:53.480 He hits on Kim a lot, and then he fucks 0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:55.640 with her workouts when she rejects him, like trips her 0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:57.960 up on the jump rope or whatever. And he was 0:30:58.080 --> 0:30:59.920 just bothering her recently when she was at the gym 0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:01.440 and They're like, where can we find him? 0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:03.440 Good news, he's right there at the gym. 0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:05.560 So she calls up to the guy in the boxing 0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:07.960 ring and goes, hey, Edwards, get your ass down here, 0:31:08.000 --> 0:31:11.560 and he goes, what you want, bitch, So he's a prince. 0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:14.560 Stabler flashes his badge on the guy. Edwards does not 0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:17.520 give a shit, so he just keeps boxing. Elliott gets 0:31:17.560 --> 0:31:20.959 in the ring with Elliott has what my dad used 0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:23.479 to call a shit eating grin. It's like my dad 0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:25.239 used always be like, wait, that shit eating grin off 0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:26.960 your face, and I'd be like, why would eating shit 0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:27.680 make me grin? 0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:27.960 Like? 0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:31.080 But it is just like this the cocky elliot grin 0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:33.760 where he's about to, you know, teach this kid a lesson. 0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:37.000 And the guy tries to step to Stabler and stab 0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:40.120 knees him right in the dick and then cuffs him 0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:43.080 for assaulting a police officer, so he cuts the precinct. 0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:46.200 Stabler is like bringing in the prince of men for 0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:47.960 trespassing and assaulting a cop. 0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:50.560 He's like, I never hurt Kim. I was just trying 0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:51.080 to talk to her. 0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:53.040 They go to throw him in a holding cell with 0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:57.240 a very large bald man child rapist named Little Pete 0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:59.160 and suddenly Ricky is singing like a bird. 0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:00.880 He's like, you can't leave me in here with him, 0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:02.600 and so he's not so tough. 0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:05.400 Anymore without his bucks and gloves on, and he says 0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:07.800 he waited outside the gym for her. She wouldn't give 0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:09.880 him the time of day. He wanted to throttle her, 0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:13.320 but he didn't like lock this guy up forever like 0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:15.080 this is. It's only a matter of time, you know, 0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:18.040 before he fucking kills a woman. And also let's keep 0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:19.800 in mind that this is a fifteen year old girl, 0:32:20.040 --> 0:32:22.360 Like Rick Edwards looks like an adult to me, and 0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:25.040 he's like pissed at a fifteen year old girl won't 0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:27.880 chat with him and maybe go out with him. And 0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:30.640 Finn tells Stabler if they really want to torture this 0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:32.880 Rick Edwards kid, make him talk to the talk too 0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:35.680 much tech and we pan around and bing bang bong, 0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:39.560 it's fucking Stucky. Okay, it's Noel Fisher, the guy we 0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:42.880 love to hate Dale Stucky, and he's talking to Daddy Craigan. 0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:46.280 This is like his second episode or something. And Stabler 0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:49.240 goes to try to save the Captain from Stucky, who goes, hey, 0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:52.320 the elster, how's it hanging? Like he's just so bad, 0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:55.240 and Stabler does not have time for the Stucky bullshit, 0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:57.160 and he's like what you got And he's like, well, 0:32:57.560 --> 0:32:59.440 I have some info we pulled from Kim's locker, but 0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:01.440 he must have her phone. But he never says it 0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:04.920 explicitly because he drops a bond that the victim has 0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:08.520 been sexting, and like that's supposed to be a big 0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:11.360 dune done moment, Like that means that everything that's happened 0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:13.440 to her is okay because she's been committing the crime 0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:17.760 of sexting. And Elliott goes sexting and STUCKI explains what 0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:19.720 it is because I guess it's two thousand and nine 0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:21.960 and he doesn't know, and it's that Kim's been sending 0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:23.840 nude pictures of herself from her phone. 0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:27.280 And then he goes into how this underage teen is 0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:30.080 smoking hot. That's what Stucky starts talking. 0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:32.240 About, and like, I know he's an idiot, but like 0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:34.120 you do remember that you went to a high school 0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:36.440 and Jimmy'd open a locker to get the cell phone, right, 0:33:36.600 --> 0:33:39.040 Like you remember that it's a kid pretty much no 0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:41.840 matter what. And so Elliot's like, give me the phone, 0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:44.680 and there's a pick of Kim lying on a bed 0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:47.280 like on her stomach, like, you know, hands head in 0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:50.760 your hands, in a completely covered up pose, like it 0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:53.280 honestly looks like a resort brochure, Like it looks like 0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:55.720 the beds are comfy at this Kimpton, you know. But 0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:58.800 the text underneath says I love you, and Sucky does 0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:01.600 say that there are tons more full frontal close ups. 0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:04.560 Judging by the amount of hate mail she got, he's 0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:08.000 guessing someone viral those to her whole school. I have 0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:10.440 not heard the term viral used as a verb, but 0:34:10.680 --> 0:34:14.560 they're using it in this episode big time. Stabler swipes 0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:17.200 and sees another text with the same resort photo that 0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:18.439 says You're gonna die? 0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:19.800 So who sent that? 0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:24.160 Stucky checks and like the information on the text and 0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:27.760 it says that it came from Kim's own phone, and Kragan's. 0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:30.120 Like, why would she send a death threat to herself? 0:34:30.760 --> 0:34:32.000 Dun dun? Act two. 0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:36.000 Okay, So now we're talking to a CSU tech that 0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:38.879 we actually love and respect O'Halleran, and he's telling them 0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:41.360 I don't think Kim sent this text message and Stucky 0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:43.880 then starts to tell them about spoofing, and it is 0:34:43.920 --> 0:34:45.520 two thousand and nine, so he does have to explain 0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:48.880 that to Stabler, where you know spoofing is like he 0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:51.320 basically kicks o'haleran out of his seat and asks Stabler 0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:54.200 to write down his digits, and Stabler goes, you sex me, 0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:57.640 Stucky your toast, which they're having fun. So they go 0:34:57.760 --> 0:35:01.880 to this website called phone fake fonyfake dot com and 0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:04.640 it's a site that lets you send messages and make 0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:06.719 it look like it came from any number that you want, 0:35:07.000 --> 0:35:09.560 and so bing bang bong, Elliott gets a buzz and 0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:12.160 it looks like he just texted himself. So phone fake 0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:16.240 lets you change your voice, record conversations, send these anonymous texts, 0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:18.560 So how can they figure out who really sent it? 0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:20.439 And it's tough because there's like at least a dozen 0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:23.040 of these phone fake type of sites online and they're 0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:23.799 not gonna be able to get. 0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:24.680 A subpoena for all of them. 0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:28.439 So Ohalarin's like, yes, just Stucky wasting our time again, 0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:30.920 Like this is not leading anywhere, so let's get back 0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:33.120 to work, and he shows them how he's been tracing 0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:36.200 the image to who she originally sent it to. Steve 0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:40.040 Walker is on her phone bill, but she first texted 0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:43.320 them to Ethan Morse. His cell tracks to an address 0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:46.360 in Little Neck and Elliott is rushing off to Queen's 0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:48.400 when Stucky's like, actually, he's in Manhattan. 0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:51.360 It just hit me. That's where all the clams come from. Cute. 0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:55.280 Oh yeah, a Little neckclam. Wow. Local. 0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:59.080 So Elliott he's like, all right, off to Queen's where 0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:01.520 I know the name of every single private school and 0:36:01.600 --> 0:36:02.320 Catholic school. 0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:04.600 And then Stucky's like, wait a minute, he's in Manhattan. 0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:05.520 I just googled him. 0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:08.759 He goes to Grandview Prep, which is the school from 0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:11.080 the episode. They don't really clarify that, but it is 0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:13.920 the school where the other kids have gone. And Ethan 0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:16.719 got great reviews for his performance in Oklahoma last fall. 0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:18.240 He's the star of their theater program. 0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:21.800 Wow, Stucky amazing at Google found all that stuff very quickly. 0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:25.920 So now we're at the Grand View Prep auditorium and 0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:30.200 the young guy in a full gangster outfit Fedora comes 0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:32.480 up that balcony like you guys wanted to see me, 0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:34.880 And then it's like, you guys wanted to see me? 0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:38.839 A like, and he goes, let me guess you're from 0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:40.960 William Morris here to give me my big break, and 0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:43.319 Finn goes, we're not that kind of agent. A little 0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:47.200 Hollywood haha in there for you. And I put this 0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:49.320 in later because I do not realize it now, but 0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:51.400 I realize it later in the episode that this is 0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:52.200 Ezra Miller. 0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:53.600 This is the actor. 0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:56.919 I didn't like put that together until when I saw 0:36:57.320 --> 0:37:01.200 them later in the courtroom that that's who I was watching. 0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:06.680 I know Ezra, which is a fun name from Perks 0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:07.920 of Being a Wallflower. 0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:10.600 Oh that's right. Yeah, I've never seen that and in 0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:12.640 train Wreck, right, yeah, train Wreck. 0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:14.920 But it is pretty wild that they were in this 0:37:15.040 --> 0:37:18.200 episode fifteen years ago and now they have all these allegations, 0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:21.560 you know, of abuse. So we'll leave you guys to 0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:24.160 it to research that we're going to kind of focus 0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:28.080 on the episode. So they start asking about Kim and 0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:30.479 he's like, we're friends. And so then they ask about 0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:32.879 the nudes and he's like, everyone got those. She meant 0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:35.320 to send them to her boyfriend Steve, and he's like, look, fellas, 0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:37.600 Like he's basically has a good cigar in his hand. 0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:41.000 He's dressed fully like an al Capone cartoon, and he's like, fellas, 0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:43.120 I wish Kim wanted me that way, but I'm a 0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:45.960 drama geek and hawk girls don't go for that. And 0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:48.640 then someone calls places and he's like. 0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:49.399 I got a run. 0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:52.359 So he said he last saw her after first bell 0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:56.600 on Monday. So now back at the precinct, Finn's telling 0:37:56.680 --> 0:37:59.120 Stabler that Ethan isn't being totally truthful. 0:37:59.360 --> 0:38:02.200 And by the way, just to go back Monday, I 0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:03.359 believe is the day of the fall. 0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:07.080 So back at the precinct, Finn's telling Stabler that Ethan's 0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:10.000 not being totally truthful. Kim was actually in his part 0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:13.160 of town Friday night. Tarru checked her cell bum bah 0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:15.200 bah bah, so why was what was she out there 0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:15.920 eating clams? 0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:17.120 What was she doing in little Neck? 0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:20.880 So she was hanging out with Ethan while sexting dirty 0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:22.240 pictures to Spido's Steve. 0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:23.600 Plus, Ethan has. 0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:25.839 A record, it turns out, at least at school where 0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:28.759 he's been suspended twice for starting fights and he kicked 0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:31.760 a student in the head, So the plot thickens. 0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:33.600 Finn got all this info. 0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:35.680 From a buddy who happens to be the head of 0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:39.320 security for grand View Prep. I love Finn's connections and 0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:43.840 he's like, yeah, he slipped me Ethan's file on the 0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:47.120 DL and then in walks Samantha Copeland and she goes, well, 0:38:47.239 --> 0:38:50.760 slip them back. And this is an actress named Melinda 0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:53.120 McGraw and she was a regular on the COMMISSH and 0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:56.520 she's working. This woman works, so I don't really know 0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:59.080 other stuff that she's from, but the COMMISSI was, you know, 0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:02.759 something in my conness when I was younger, and she's 0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:04.839 a ballbuster from the jump. She's like, if you got 0:39:04.880 --> 0:39:07.240 those without a subpoena, then for me, they don't exist. 0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:10.600 And she is with Corporation Council. They work on juvenile 0:39:10.640 --> 0:39:13.280 prosecutions in New York. And you may recall our girly 0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:18.040 Pippacox was a Corporation Council attorney and uh, she comes 0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:20.879 in hot, like got any evidence I can actually use? 0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:24.080 She's very much the Paula Patten character, like all these 0:39:24.120 --> 0:39:26.400 people that come in and are just like, hello, idiots, 0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:27.320 where's the case? 0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:27.640 You know? 0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:30.719 And Stabler's like everything points to Ethan. 0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:32.560 Like even if it was any job, like I'm just 0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:35.600 trying to take this prosecutor cop relationship out and that's 0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:36.880 not how you act when you start. 0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:37.600 A job anywhere. 0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:41.480 I know, Like, it's just so wild to just show 0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:44.120 up to a restaurant gig and be like what are 0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:45.000 the specials? 0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:48.560 Like say, hello, who are you? Yeah? Anything here? Any 0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:50.160 I can actually serve to people? 0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:56.520 Any of this food edible? So Stabler says, everything points 0:39:56.560 --> 0:39:57.560 to Ethan, and I'm like. 0:39:57.960 --> 0:40:02.240 How like a text message? Like not everything points to Ethan. 0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:05.480 She was definitely assaulted on Friday, and on Friday she 0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:08.600 was in Little Neck, So they think his motive is 0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:10.800 that he had a crush on her. Drink for the 0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:14.200 name of the episode, and they think that she sent 0:40:14.360 --> 0:40:18.279 him these pictures and then he's pumped and invites her 0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:20.640 over to score, but then she tells him, oops, it 0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:22.560 was a mistake. They were meant for speedo Steve and 0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:24.400 Ethan flips out and beats the shit out of her. 0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:27.680 It's a good theory, I wouldn't say all arrows point 0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:32.000 to it, like it's undeniable. But when Live pipes in 0:40:32.520 --> 0:40:34.040 and it's been a while since we've heard from her, 0:40:34.440 --> 0:40:37.919 she says, what if she was dating Ethan behind Steve's back? 0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:40.600 We have a video of her buying her train ticket, 0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:43.319 and then who buys a ticket for the same train 0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:45.920 to Little Neck three minutes later at a different window, 0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:49.400 Speedo Steve. They've got him on camera, so maybe Steve 0:40:49.560 --> 0:40:52.480 followed her and then beat her up or Ethan could 0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:55.040 have done it. Sam wants them both in there to 0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:58.359 clear things up, like right now. So in interrogation, we've 0:40:58.360 --> 0:41:01.239 got Speedo Steve with his dad and is like, no, no, no, 0:41:01.640 --> 0:41:03.360 she asked me to go with her to protect her. 0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:05.680 She was afraid of what Ethan would do when Kim 0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:07.560 told him that she just wanted to be friends. And 0:41:07.640 --> 0:41:11.080 so now Ethan's an interrogation as well, and he's claiming, 0:41:11.280 --> 0:41:13.319 what are you talking about? Like, I've never hurt Kim, 0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:16.440 like and they're so they're both claiming innocence. So Spido 0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:18.400 Steve's in there with his douchey dad who's like, my 0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:22.200 son wouldn't hurt a fly, but like this Fedora loving 0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:24.879 theater kid, he's a violent asshole and like when he's 0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:27.040 not singing Storry with a fringe on top, I guess. 0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:29.200 So that's like what everybody's trying to make happen. 0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:32.839 And uh, Steve's like Why does it look like you're 0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:36.080 stalking her, like you're not buying tickets together, and he's like, 0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:38.799 it's her idea. It was in case somehow Ethan saw 0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:41.320 us on the train to like be separate. Okay, that 0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:43.319 feels a little bit too Agatha Christie. 0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:44.920 But go off, king uh. 0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:48.000 Stabler shows him the sex and is like, did you 0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:50.880 send this death threat? And Ethan's like, I did not 0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:54.120 send the death threat. I was bummed. I wasn't homicidal 0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:56.360 that she didn't want to hook up with me. They're like, 0:41:56.600 --> 0:41:58.600 you spoof the number, and he goes spoofing? 0:41:58.880 --> 0:41:59.759 What what are you guys? 0:41:59.800 --> 0:42:01.759 Even I'm talking about even this kid does not know 0:42:01.840 --> 0:42:05.680 what fucking spoofing is. And Finn is like, really going 0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:08.080 after this theater kid like he's laying into him, like 0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:10.319 just beating up girls make you feel like a big man. 0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:13.080 And finally Ethan's mother is like enough, no more talking 0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:15.880 without a lawyer. Back to Steve and the dad is 0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:18.160 basically doing the same thing. He's like, I know my rights, 0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:19.719 I know what's up. We're out of here unless you 0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:23.000 charge my son. And then Corporation Council, well, I'm gonna 0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:24.560 call her Sam because that's kind of what they call her. 0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:26.640 The rest of the episode, Sam is like, cut them loose, 0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:31.080 So of course they cut them loose at the exact 0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:34.520 same moment, which leads Ethan to bum rush Steve in 0:42:34.640 --> 0:42:37.680 the precinct, you know, holding area or like the bullpen, 0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:40.799 basically screaming what did you do to Kim? So then 0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:43.000 they break them up and Live shows up with the 0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:46.480 news that done done. Kim is awake, so they have 0:42:46.560 --> 0:42:48.480 scored these two hot heads out of the building and 0:42:48.520 --> 0:42:50.120 then they got a head to Kim to clear this 0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:53.880 all up. So at the hospital, Kim is back on 0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:56.480 her lying game. She's like, I was sprinting in the 0:42:56.520 --> 0:42:58.520 park and I tripped on a rock and hurt my head. 0:42:58.560 --> 0:43:02.080 And it's like, girl, Like, that's just like not consistent. 0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:05.040 Her parents are like, tell the truth, and she's like 0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:08.239 I am. She's very like she's very kind of like 0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:11.359 monotone and detached. She's like, I am telling the truth. 0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:13.480 And Sam is like, I'll protect you. We'll get a 0:43:13.560 --> 0:43:15.800 restraining order and she's like, I don't need one. It 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:18.320 was an accident. They're like, what about your shoulder, what 0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:21.920 about your ribs? She's like, yep, accidents and Olivia's like, 0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:24.400 caught the crap. We know you were in Ethan's neighborhood 0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:27.320 Friday night and you sent both of those boys nude pictures. 0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:29.799 And her parents decide that this would be a great 0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:31.839 time to lecture her about the last part and how 0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:34.800 the internet is forever and don't send nudes. Benson and 0:43:34.960 --> 0:43:37.640 Sam tried to tell Kim like, he's not gonna stop. 0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:40.799 It's not love and one day he's gonna go too far. 0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:43.640 And then she tells the parents, you know you're gonna 0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:45.160 be saying goodbye to your daughter on a slab at 0:43:45.200 --> 0:43:48.800 the City Morgue, and that's what Sam says, and Lives like, okay, 0:43:48.960 --> 0:43:50.600 we have to have our We don't talk to victims 0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:52.879 like that chat with this woman. So she like pulls 0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:54.719 her aside and is like, this is a victim, Like 0:43:54.800 --> 0:43:57.759 we cannot scream at her like that, and Sam is like, well, 0:43:57.920 --> 0:44:00.319 arrest her for kittie porn her words, by by the way, 0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:04.000 we do not use that term on this podcast, child 0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:07.320 sex abuse images essentially, as they're saying she created, and 0:44:07.640 --> 0:44:09.680 she's like a couple days in jail, we'll get her talking, 0:44:10.320 --> 0:44:13.520 and Live is like, what are you kidding? And Sam's like, well, 0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:16.160 she broke the law and you know you better do it. 0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:18.680 So she's not kidding, and she tells liv arrest her 0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:19.879 or I'll find someone who will. 0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:23.120 This is someone who lost their way. It's not about 0:44:23.120 --> 0:44:24.520 the victims, now, you know what I mean? 0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:25.520 Like, what are you doing? 0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:28.960 What are you doing? Yeah? Playing your little legal games 0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:29.239 for what? 0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:29.680 Yeah? 0:44:29.760 --> 0:44:31.080 Yeah, yeah totally. 0:44:31.320 --> 0:44:32.759 So yeah, She's like, you do it, or I'll find 0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:34.560 someone who will, and I'll report your ass to IAB. 0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:39.040 So Damn Live goes in and, against her better judgment, 0:44:39.480 --> 0:44:41.160 cuffs Kim to her hospital bed. 0:44:41.480 --> 0:44:43.160 Kim is crying and is like, what are you doing? 0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:45.160 I thought you wanted to help me, and Live is 0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:47.320 just like reading or her rights like a robot and 0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:51.680 that's you know, that's the fade to commerci. So at 0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:55.160 the top of act three, we meet who is representing Kim, 0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:58.640 and it is defense attorney Miranda Pond and she is 0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:01.360 played by Alex Kingston and who I was really obsessed 0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:03.320 with in my youth because she was on Er. She 0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:06.080 had like a cool long arc on Er that I 0:45:06.200 --> 0:45:08.560 was really into this actress, so I thought she was 0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:12.239 like British and sophisticated, and we first met Miranda in 0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:16.520 the episode Transitions, and she also appears in season eleven 0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:18.760 the episode Want to Be in season twelve episode Trophy, 0:45:18.880 --> 0:45:20.680 so she's in four episodes and I like her. 0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:21.359 Yeah, I love her. 0:45:21.400 --> 0:45:23.360 She's also been in a lot of British stuff, like 0:45:23.640 --> 0:45:26.040 I think she's been in Doctor Who, and she was 0:45:26.200 --> 0:45:30.680 married to Ray Fines sexy and he had a affair 0:45:30.760 --> 0:45:32.560 with a co star and that's what ended their relationship, 0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:34.919 but they were together. Yeah, they were together for ten years. 0:45:35.400 --> 0:45:38.879 So she talked, I guess openly about how she was very, 0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:42.759 very at her lowest point after that happened. Anyway, she 0:45:43.000 --> 0:45:46.160 calls Sam Samantha and tells her that she's really gross 0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:48.560 for coming after Kim like this, and she's like, you're 0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:51.880 blackmailing her to reveal her abuser and Sam is like, yeah, basically, 0:45:52.000 --> 0:45:54.040 I don't want her to end up dead, and Liv 0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:56.920 tries to beg Kim, but she's staring straight ahead, like 0:45:57.160 --> 0:45:59.960 you know, detached, and she won't budge and Sam goes cool, 0:46:00.000 --> 0:46:02.759 we'll see you at trial. So now we are in 0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:07.160 the chambers of Judge Hilda Marsden and this is the 0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:11.719 one and only Swoosie Kurtz. I've always called her Swoozy, 0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:16.120 but I found out through researching for this episode that 0:46:16.640 --> 0:46:20.840 she's named after a B seventeen d flying Fortress bomber 0:46:20.960 --> 0:46:23.840 that her father flew in World War Two that was 0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:27.240 nicknamed the Swouze, which is half swan and half goose. 0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:30.760 So her name rhymes with Lucy, not Woozy. 0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:35.200 But she is a huge person in my family because 0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:38.160 she's on the show's Sisters, which I've talked about many times. 0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:38.920 There's a judge. 0:46:39.280 --> 0:46:42.200 Patricia Callimber plays a judge, and she was on Sisters 0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:46.360 as well. Cela Ward was also on Sisters, and Swusy 0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:49.399 Kurtz played Alex, and I've just loved her since then. 0:46:49.640 --> 0:46:52.960 She's one I think Tony's and Emmy's. I mean, she's 0:46:52.960 --> 0:46:54.640 a very accomplished actor. 0:46:54.600 --> 0:46:58.280 And just her red hair is iconic and this episode, 0:46:58.480 --> 0:47:00.440 yeah she has like iconic red hair. 0:47:00.640 --> 0:47:02.399 Yeah, I mean, we'll get to know her more. 0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:04.920 But I obviously have a full fan fiction of her 0:47:05.040 --> 0:47:09.239 and Judge Oliver Tait and they are together, they're out 0:47:09.239 --> 0:47:12.160 of prison and they're getting their life back while being sparred. 0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:15.759 You know, That's why I'm so shocked that you don't 0:47:15.800 --> 0:47:19.880 have such a like strong picture of this episode in 0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:23.160 your brain, because she, to me is just so like 0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:25.400 good in that I don't know, I'm just obsessed with her. 0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:26.359 I'm obsessed with her. 0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:29.080 Maybe I just wasn't willing to allow her to be 0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:31.839 what she ultimately turns out to be because I love 0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:33.600 her so much from sisters and is like a good 0:47:33.640 --> 0:47:37.560 guy character, you know. Like but in my family, we 0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:40.359 used to like anytime we saw her, we would always 0:47:40.400 --> 0:47:40.960 go swuz. 0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:43.319 Like we just always would say swooze all the time. 0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:45.200 And so like, if I was to call my sister 0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:47.279 right now and be like, who was alex on sister, 0:47:47.360 --> 0:47:49.320 she'd be like, oh, swooz, Like that's like always what 0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:52.319 we called her. So loving her as a guest star 0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:55.720 in this episode, and she's like, well, I can't define 0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:57.759 child pornography, but I know it when I see it, 0:47:57.800 --> 0:48:00.560 and this sure looks like kittie porn, Miss Pond, and 0:48:00.880 --> 0:48:03.440 Pond and Samantha go back and forth about how oh 0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:06.120 Kim distributed porn and then no, the law is to 0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:09.160 protect children and she is part of the protected class. 0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:11.640 Sam argues, like, eventually this will end up in the 0:48:11.680 --> 0:48:14.560 hand of pedophiles. And I love how the blame would 0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:18.520 not be then on the pedophiles for obtaining and disseminating images, 0:48:18.600 --> 0:48:21.000 but just the kid who took them, like a fifteen 0:48:21.080 --> 0:48:22.759 year old who took them, is that fault more than 0:48:22.840 --> 0:48:27.640 like a pedophile who's finding them somewhere dark on the internet. Anyway, 0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:31.640 Swuz interrupts them and she asks Olivia her opinion. She's like, 0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:34.040 do you think this teen distributed and produced, you know, 0:48:34.360 --> 0:48:38.680 childhood sex abuse images? And Olivia is like, by the 0:48:38.760 --> 0:48:41.040 letter of the law, yes, but I don't believe that 0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:44.080 was her intent, and so Pond moves to dismiss, but 0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:49.120 Hilda Marsden has other plans. She is tired of slutty 0:48:49.200 --> 0:48:52.120 teens posting their hot bods all over the Internet with 0:48:52.360 --> 0:48:55.520 no regard for the implications. She says, it's an epidemic 0:48:55.640 --> 0:48:57.480 and we need to send a message. And it's like, 0:48:57.640 --> 0:48:59.960 uh oh, I smell someone wanting to make an example 0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:03.680 out of poor Kim, and Marsden wants to proceed to trial. 0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:07.960 So this is kind of shocking, and outside, Pond is 0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:11.279 chasing down Benson, and Benson's acting very bluse. She's like, 0:49:11.360 --> 0:49:13.120 it's out of my hands, babe, Like what can I do? 0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:15.759 And then Pond is like, you don't agree with this. 0:49:15.920 --> 0:49:16.520 I know you don't. 0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:18.920 And then Benson gets a phone call and uh oh, 0:49:19.040 --> 0:49:21.319 it is not good news, and she's like, Pond, hop 0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:23.200 in my ford tourists, we need to take a ride. 0:49:23.680 --> 0:49:26.320 So in the hospital it's the same doctor as before. 0:49:26.400 --> 0:49:28.919 He's briskly walking and talking with Benson and Pond telling 0:49:28.960 --> 0:49:32.160 them about compound fractures because Kim has been attacked again. 0:49:32.680 --> 0:49:35.680 Pond says that kids dating is supposed to be fun. 0:49:35.719 --> 0:49:38.120 It's supposed to be about prom dress colors, not visits 0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:40.120 to the er. And the doctor's like, I actually see 0:49:40.120 --> 0:49:42.240 it way too often. One in ten teens is physically 0:49:42.280 --> 0:49:44.839 abused by a partner. That was in two thousand and nine. 0:49:45.000 --> 0:49:47.440 I have to feel like the number is higher than that. 0:49:47.520 --> 0:49:47.799 That does. 0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:51.560 That seems like low to me. But Kim is still 0:49:51.680 --> 0:49:54.040 lying about what happened. When they walk in, she immediately 0:49:54.120 --> 0:49:57.040 goes it was an accident, and she has a truly 0:49:57.120 --> 0:50:00.279 horrific black eye, like a real not like a ooh see, 0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:01.120 I bumped into. 0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:04.160 A Heather Gay black eye. Yes, a Heather Gay full 0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:04.680 black eye. 0:50:05.239 --> 0:50:08.160 And the parents are begging her to tell the truth, 0:50:08.560 --> 0:50:11.160 and she's like, I fell off my skateboard and it's 0:50:11.239 --> 0:50:14.399 like this girl's playing sports trying to pull straight a's 0:50:14.440 --> 0:50:16.440 but her glades are slipping, and then she's like taking 0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:17.680 time to board on the side. 0:50:17.800 --> 0:50:18.360 I don't buy it. 0:50:18.880 --> 0:50:22.640 So she doesn't trust Olivia because she arrested her, which 0:50:22.719 --> 0:50:24.719 is fair, and she just wants them all to leave 0:50:24.760 --> 0:50:26.720 her alone. But it's like, Babe, you know Olivia Benson 0:50:26.760 --> 0:50:29.279 can't do that. So Kim screams, get out. I want 0:50:29.360 --> 0:50:31.520 her out of here. Benson hit the bricks and so 0:50:31.680 --> 0:50:35.879 Benson takes off at the precinct. Kragan is on Live 0:50:36.160 --> 0:50:39.759 for sandbagging the prosecutor, like, why did you say in 0:50:40.120 --> 0:50:43.840 Marsden's chambers that you don't think that Kim intended to 0:50:44.560 --> 0:50:49.120 distribute this, you know, these sex abuse images and lives 0:50:49.280 --> 0:50:51.880 like it doesn't matter what I said, Sam got what 0:50:52.000 --> 0:50:53.960 she wanted. And Craigan goes, that doesn't give you license 0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:56.920 to defect to the defense and lives like we're supposed 0:50:56.920 --> 0:50:59.200 to protect the victims here, but Craigan is on his 0:50:59.320 --> 0:51:01.440 black and white bull shit with she broke the law. 0:51:01.480 --> 0:51:03.120 It's like how it's this is how Finn used to 0:51:03.160 --> 0:51:05.560 be at the beginning, like there's a law that's been broken, 0:51:05.640 --> 0:51:07.400 and that is all I care about, and now you 0:51:07.480 --> 0:51:10.440 know they can I think all of them as although 0:51:10.520 --> 0:51:12.359 this is season ten, I don't know why Craigan's being 0:51:12.440 --> 0:51:14.120 like this. I thought he had a little bit more nuance. 0:51:14.440 --> 0:51:15.440 No, they fucking do this. 0:51:15.640 --> 0:51:17.920 Once in a while, they'll just like, for some reason, 0:51:18.520 --> 0:51:21.000 one of the characters will act wildly opposite of anything 0:51:21.040 --> 0:51:22.840 they've ever stood for in their whole life. Yeah, you 0:51:22.920 --> 0:51:25.200 know what I mean, They'll just like out of nowhere, 0:51:25.760 --> 0:51:28.719 flip flop where they're like, there's no evidence, but lock 0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:30.080 them up and you're like yeah. 0:51:30.360 --> 0:51:32.359 Or Benson'll be like I just don't believe this little 0:51:32.400 --> 0:51:36.759 girl no way. Like so, Liv argues, how is a 0:51:36.840 --> 0:51:40.680 team sending pictures to two boys her own age considered 0:51:40.760 --> 0:51:43.640 kitty porn? And Craigan admits the law hasn't caught up 0:51:43.680 --> 0:51:46.640 with the tech and lives like, well, we're criminalizing private behavior. 0:51:46.960 --> 0:51:51.239 Craigan's like, it's not private when it's sexting college admissions officers, 0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:55.600 future employers, their own kids might see these pictures one day. Again, 0:51:55.680 --> 0:51:58.560 I don't really get why that's as to do with 0:51:58.680 --> 0:52:01.200 the law, Like, why is that part of the law, like, yeah, 0:52:01.200 --> 0:52:02.480 so you don't get into the college you want to 0:52:02.520 --> 0:52:04.839 go to because you went viral with the nude pic. 0:52:04.960 --> 0:52:07.600 But like that, I don't know, that's not a law break. 0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:10.799 But you know, he's almost like he's on the judge's side. 0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:12.719 He's like, they need to see the consequences of their 0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:15.480 actions these kids. So it sounds like a bunch of 0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:18.759 like boomers being like, these little sluts need to stop 0:52:18.800 --> 0:52:22.320 putting their pictures online and lives like, Okay, it's a mistake, 0:52:22.520 --> 0:52:26.399 but jail the sex offender Registry and Craigan's like, it's 0:52:26.440 --> 0:52:28.400 not up to you, it's up to the judge, and 0:52:28.719 --> 0:52:31.839 uh oh, we don't like that because judge is not great, 0:52:31.880 --> 0:52:34.560 it seems. Now we're in court and Pond is cross 0:52:34.600 --> 0:52:37.359 examining Kim and feels like, how did it feel knowing 0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:40.080 that your whole school saw you naked? And she was like, 0:52:40.160 --> 0:52:44.000 I felt ashamed. I felt everybody pointing and whispering. And 0:52:44.200 --> 0:52:46.799 she's like, did you text those pictures to anyone other 0:52:46.880 --> 0:52:49.520 than Steve and Ethan? And she says no, and I 0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:51.880 didn't even mean to send them to Ethan. And then 0:52:51.920 --> 0:52:53.560 she says, and you didn't mean for those boys to 0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:56.040 then send them to the whole student body, and it's like, 0:52:56.120 --> 0:52:59.239 why are the boys not on trial? Like they disseminated this, 0:52:59.560 --> 0:53:01.960 like you can easily go into one of their phones 0:53:02.000 --> 0:53:04.160 and find out that they texted the photos to everybody? 0:53:04.600 --> 0:53:06.480 Why are the boys not on trial? Not getting it? 0:53:07.080 --> 0:53:10.120 So, now it's Sam's turn, and she's like, so you 0:53:10.239 --> 0:53:11.840 sent the picks to the boys and then one of 0:53:11.880 --> 0:53:13.759 them viral the picks to get back at you, and 0:53:13.840 --> 0:53:16.960 they are really trying to make Virald happen on this episode, 0:53:17.400 --> 0:53:19.960 and Pond objects it's sustained and they're like, well. 0:53:20.120 --> 0:53:21.359 She goes, well, do you think one of them sent 0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:23.080 you the death threat? And Kim's like, I don't know. 0:53:23.680 --> 0:53:25.480 Sam's like, well maybe it was the same person who 0:53:25.560 --> 0:53:28.239 beat the shit out of you yesterday. And Pond tries 0:53:28.239 --> 0:53:30.800 to object, but Sam lays it all out and she's like, no, 0:53:31.040 --> 0:53:33.520 I think this witness was physically assaulted to intimidate or 0:53:33.560 --> 0:53:37.200 influence her testimony, and Judge Marsden looked shocked. She's like, 0:53:37.360 --> 0:53:40.520 young lady, is this true. Kim's like, I had an 0:53:40.560 --> 0:53:44.120 accident with her, you know. Signature monotone and the judge 0:53:44.120 --> 0:53:46.640 reminds her she's under oath. She asked her again, did 0:53:46.719 --> 0:53:48.719 someone assault you to get you to alter your testimony? 0:53:49.040 --> 0:53:51.399 She says, please, don't make me tell you. And then 0:53:51.600 --> 0:53:54.080 the judge says, one more chance, name your assailant or 0:53:54.120 --> 0:53:56.400 I'm holding you in contempt, and Kim goes, I can't, 0:53:56.840 --> 0:53:59.160 and so you better believe this judge was not bluffing. 0:53:59.320 --> 0:54:00.520 And they send this poor. 0:54:00.400 --> 0:54:04.239 Teen who it has still a gleaming black eye and 0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:07.400 her arm in a sling to court lock up. So 0:54:07.640 --> 0:54:10.480 Sam says, well, at least she'll be safe tonight, and 0:54:10.600 --> 0:54:13.200 then Pond tells liv this might be the only way, 0:54:13.400 --> 0:54:15.879 like she won't listen to anyone, and Benson's like, light 0:54:15.960 --> 0:54:18.279 bulb moment, I have someone that I might think might 0:54:18.320 --> 0:54:20.359 be able to get through to her, so he cut 0:54:20.440 --> 0:54:23.200 to the lock up. Pond and Benson enter with who 0:54:23.320 --> 0:54:27.560 else but friend of the Pod Alison Psycho aka Kathleen Stabler. Okay, So, 0:54:27.760 --> 0:54:30.280 as a reminder, we are in season ten and episode 0:54:30.360 --> 0:54:33.760 three of this season is the episode Swing where Kathleen 0:54:33.880 --> 0:54:36.480 is arrested and her struggles with bipolar come to light. 0:54:36.960 --> 0:54:41.960 And so she's now has been you know, gone through 0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:46.040 some treatment and is, you know, hopefully working on her recovery. 0:54:46.320 --> 0:54:49.400 And she introduces herself as a friend of Olivia and 0:54:49.840 --> 0:54:52.399 admits Olivia also put her in jail and my dad's 0:54:52.440 --> 0:54:54.520 detective Stabler And Kim's like, how could you do that? 0:54:54.600 --> 0:54:56.600 How could you do that to your partner's kid. And 0:54:56.719 --> 0:54:58.880 Kathleen's like, I'm glad she did. It helped me to 0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:01.920 stop hating myself. And Kim's like, why do you think 0:55:01.960 --> 0:55:04.600 I hate myself? And Kathleen's like, I was just like you. 0:55:04.760 --> 0:55:07.000 I let boys use me, have sex with me, hit me. 0:55:07.520 --> 0:55:09.719 I don't think we knew this about Kathleen before she's 0:55:09.760 --> 0:55:12.239 confessing it here. We knew she was kind of on 0:55:12.400 --> 0:55:16.480 a wild streak or whatever of criminal behavior, I guess, 0:55:16.560 --> 0:55:20.200 but we didn't know that she was in these abusive relationships. 0:55:20.280 --> 0:55:23.080 I don't think until this moment she said, I was 0:55:23.160 --> 0:55:25.680 too scared and ashamed to say anything. I went to jail, 0:55:25.800 --> 0:55:27.719 but I let someone help me, and that same person 0:55:27.840 --> 0:55:30.400 is trying to help you. Kim is cracking. She's like, 0:55:30.440 --> 0:55:31.960 I don't know what to do. I love him, I 0:55:32.000 --> 0:55:34.640 can't betray him, and Kathleen says, he's betraying you by 0:55:34.719 --> 0:55:37.000 hitting you every time, he says he's sorry, he'll never 0:55:37.080 --> 0:55:38.680 do it again, but he does. He makes you feel 0:55:38.680 --> 0:55:40.600 like you're nothing and that he's the only one in 0:55:40.600 --> 0:55:42.360 the world who will ever love you. And then he 0:55:42.440 --> 0:55:45.160 hits you and says you deserve it, and so Kim 0:55:45.239 --> 0:55:47.200 starts to open up. She's like, the first time it happened, 0:55:47.239 --> 0:55:48.759 I spilled punch on him at a party and he 0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:51.160 slapped me in the face. Then after school he saw 0:55:51.200 --> 0:55:53.279 me talking to another boy, and then it was just 0:55:53.360 --> 0:55:55.520 for no reason at all. It's really sad to hear 0:55:55.600 --> 0:55:59.080 her tell this story. And someone who really loves you 0:55:59.120 --> 0:56:02.160 wouldn't hurt you. Kathleen tells her they'd treat you with respect, 0:56:02.600 --> 0:56:04.800 and she's like, Ethan's always doing nice things for me. 0:56:04.960 --> 0:56:06.680 We text all the time, but I did send him 0:56:06.680 --> 0:56:09.799 those pictures by mistake, Like she's blaming herself for taking 0:56:09.840 --> 0:56:11.040 the pictures in the first place. 0:56:11.360 --> 0:56:12.720 But then she tells the whole story. 0:56:12.880 --> 0:56:15.399 She's like, Okay, Friday, at school, I noticed my phone 0:56:15.480 --> 0:56:16.879 was missing when I went to go make a call, 0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:19.360 and it was Steve who stole it because he's always 0:56:19.440 --> 0:56:22.040 checking up on me. He found the picks to Ethan 0:56:22.120 --> 0:56:24.239 and he thought I was cheating on him, so he 0:56:24.400 --> 0:56:26.759 sent them to everyone in the school and spoofed my 0:56:26.920 --> 0:56:29.319 number so that no one would know it was him. 0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:32.279 And then he said if he saw her ever talking 0:56:32.280 --> 0:56:35.080 to Ethan again, he'd kill her. And so as she's 0:56:35.120 --> 0:56:37.920 telling the story, we've moved to voiceover and we're watching Speedo. 0:56:37.960 --> 0:56:40.719 Steve get cuffed at school in front of everyone. She 0:56:40.880 --> 0:56:43.160 told Steve that she sent the pictures to Ethan by accident, 0:56:43.200 --> 0:56:44.919 but he didn't believe her, and he just kept hitting 0:56:44.960 --> 0:56:47.200 her more. She took the train to Little Neck that 0:56:47.400 --> 0:56:50.239 night to talk to Ethan and explain what happened, but 0:56:50.320 --> 0:56:53.160 she didn't know Steve was following her. He jumped her. 0:56:53.600 --> 0:56:55.680 She begged him to stop, and he wouldn't. He kicked 0:56:55.680 --> 0:56:58.760 her in the head and she passed out. So Steve 0:56:59.120 --> 0:57:01.200 is a bit too easy of a liar for me, 0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:03.520 Like this kid's a psychopath, because he just was like, 0:57:03.920 --> 0:57:05.920 oh no, like that was Kim's whole plan, like to 0:57:06.000 --> 0:57:07.799 buy our tickets separate. Like he just had a lie 0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:10.840 for every single thing that the police asked him. So 0:57:11.320 --> 0:57:14.120 now we're in court and Kim is explaining that she 0:57:14.360 --> 0:57:18.160 never dated Ethan, but when he got the picks. He 0:57:18.280 --> 0:57:21.760 thought that she was interested, and so they asked, did 0:57:21.840 --> 0:57:24.120 Steve also attack you the day before court? And she 0:57:24.320 --> 0:57:27.200 says yes, so that I wouldn't testify to the abuse. 0:57:27.920 --> 0:57:30.760 Pond rests and moves for a dismissal. Sam has no 0:57:30.840 --> 0:57:33.400 objections because now she's named her abuser. She's done what 0:57:33.520 --> 0:57:36.160 you asked, and we're going to go after this kid, 0:57:36.560 --> 0:57:39.680 and like we can drop this bullshit charge. 0:57:40.440 --> 0:57:44.040 But done done. Judge Marsden denies the motion. 0:57:44.480 --> 0:57:46.520 We had a moment like this in the Tom Scarett 0:57:46.560 --> 0:57:51.360 episode Poison, which is Oliver Tait, the judge that Leasa 0:57:51.440 --> 0:57:55.200 mentioned before, who just sort of, you know, overrules a 0:57:55.280 --> 0:57:58.880 jury or like overrules you know, emotion that is perfectly 0:57:58.880 --> 0:58:02.000 acceptable for everyone else, and everyone looks gagged. They're like what, 0:58:02.360 --> 0:58:05.280 and the judge goes, the respondent will rise for my decision, 0:58:05.440 --> 0:58:08.920 and Pond is like, your decision. We haven't had closing arguments, 0:58:08.960 --> 0:58:10.800 and the judge is like, we're not required to hear 0:58:10.840 --> 0:58:13.600 closing arguments. Stand up, young lady, and she has an 0:58:13.720 --> 0:58:15.600 evil face on, like she's killing it. 0:58:15.720 --> 0:58:16.240 In this role. 0:58:16.680 --> 0:58:20.280 She finds Kim guilty of producing, possessing, and distributing a 0:58:20.360 --> 0:58:24.160 sexual performance by a child. Her sentence is incarceration in 0:58:24.240 --> 0:58:27.720 a juvenile sex offender facility in Ohio for one year. 0:58:28.400 --> 0:58:31.720 This is wild. She's a first time offender. It's a 0:58:31.800 --> 0:58:35.680 nonviolent offense. This is insane. So Kim yells at Olivia 0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:37.360 on the way out, like I listened to you and 0:58:37.480 --> 0:58:40.680 you lied to me. And then the camera stops just 0:58:40.800 --> 0:58:44.560 on Judge Marsden's evil smirk before it fades to black. 0:58:45.200 --> 0:58:48.520 So top of Act four, Sam is walking and talking 0:58:48.680 --> 0:58:49.720 with Pond and Benson. 0:58:49.840 --> 0:58:50.480 She's shocked. 0:58:50.520 --> 0:58:53.440 She's like, I thought she'd get probation at worst, and 0:58:53.520 --> 0:58:55.840 they're like, this prison is five hundred miles away. If 0:58:55.880 --> 0:58:58.040 something happens to her there, it's on you. She's like, 0:58:58.080 --> 0:58:59.640 what do you want me to do? And they're like, 0:58:59.680 --> 0:59:02.800 get the judge to reconsider, and Sam is scared. She's like, 0:59:02.920 --> 0:59:04.920 I have other cases before this judge. She can make 0:59:04.960 --> 0:59:07.360 my life a living hell, and Pond is like, uh, 0:59:07.480 --> 0:59:09.160 I'm gonna make your life a living hell too, bitch. 0:59:09.200 --> 0:59:11.280 I'm filing a four to forty to vacate the conviction 0:59:11.440 --> 0:59:13.560 and the sentencing, and I'm reporting you to the bar. 0:59:14.240 --> 0:59:17.920 And Sam says she's sorry and walks away, Pond and 0:59:18.000 --> 0:59:19.720 Benson like talk about the judge. 0:59:19.760 --> 0:59:21.000 They're like, what the hell is going on? 0:59:21.280 --> 0:59:23.919 Like, New York City has three juvenile facilities, why would 0:59:23.920 --> 0:59:26.160 you send her to this one in Ohio. 0:59:26.080 --> 0:59:28.040 Or like even Connecticut? 0:59:28.200 --> 0:59:31.640 Penncilvan New Jersey like Ohio as far as fuck from 0:59:31.680 --> 0:59:34.040 New York and lives like not gonna let this go. 0:59:34.680 --> 0:59:37.200 So now they're at the clerk offices for Family Court 0:59:37.280 --> 0:59:40.960 and they're asking this little dorky clerk guy for statistics 0:59:41.000 --> 0:59:43.360 on Judge Marsden, and the guy they're talking to is like, 0:59:43.440 --> 0:59:45.680 no problem, let me get that for you. But suddenly 0:59:45.760 --> 0:59:49.280 a guy behind them is like, actually, I'm Ed Mangini. 0:59:49.480 --> 0:59:52.080 I'm the senior clerk and everything has to go through me. 0:59:52.440 --> 0:59:53.880 And he's like, so, if you have a request, just 0:59:53.960 --> 0:59:55.400 put it in writing and I'll get back to you. 0:59:55.480 --> 0:59:57.400 And Pond's like, oh, and let me guess you're super 0:59:57.440 --> 1:00:00.200 busy and it's going to take six weeks and he goes, yeah, yeah, 1:00:00.200 --> 1:00:03.120 and that's if I expedite it. Liv goes, why doesn't 1:00:03.120 --> 1:00:04.880 Marston want us looking at her stats? And then the 1:00:04.960 --> 1:00:07.360 dorky guy goes, well, they're both dorky. 1:00:07.480 --> 1:00:09.840 I was about to say well, there's sweet old dork 1:00:09.960 --> 1:00:13.440 and then there's irs audit kind of guy. 1:00:13.760 --> 1:00:17.560 Yes, yes, now just that's warp totally. 1:00:17.680 --> 1:00:20.720 So sweet old dork goes ask her yourself, Her honor 1:00:20.760 --> 1:00:23.360 wants to see you both pronto. So they show up 1:00:23.480 --> 1:00:26.400 in Judge Martinson's courtroom and she's taking a recess from 1:00:26.440 --> 1:00:30.640 a trial she's currently presiding over, and she asks Pond, oh, 1:00:30.720 --> 1:00:34.280 are you representing Olivia? And she's like, does she need 1:00:34.320 --> 1:00:36.760 a lawyer? And Marsden is like, of course not. This 1:00:36.920 --> 1:00:39.080 is all off the record, a friendly little chat. Come 1:00:39.200 --> 1:00:42.880 join the party. Come on, ladies, let's gab. So why 1:00:42.960 --> 1:00:45.320 the sudden interest in me? She asks them, and Pond 1:00:45.440 --> 1:00:47.320 is like, live, you don't have to answer that, and 1:00:47.480 --> 1:00:50.480 Marsden says why this is just a friendly chat and 1:00:50.640 --> 1:00:52.720 liv goes, well it's funny, it doesn't feel friendly, and 1:00:52.800 --> 1:00:54.920 she goes, don't get cute. Why are you so hot 1:00:54.960 --> 1:00:58.479 for my sentencing stats? She goes, Ohio was the only option. 1:00:58.640 --> 1:01:00.840 There were no beds available in you and she calls 1:01:00.960 --> 1:01:03.560 Kim a sex offender and Olivia's like, she isn't one, 1:01:03.640 --> 1:01:06.360 and you're ruining her life, you evil bitch, and Marsen 1:01:06.480 --> 1:01:08.400 is like I'm sick of these kids waltzing in here 1:01:08.440 --> 1:01:09.880 thinking they can do whatever they want. 1:01:10.240 --> 1:01:11.560 Someone has to take a stand. 1:01:11.680 --> 1:01:13.640 It's like, where was she with these kids that were 1:01:13.880 --> 1:01:16.600 drinking in the episode responsible that we do at our 1:01:16.720 --> 1:01:19.200 live shows. We got we had Jude a light giving 1:01:19.240 --> 1:01:22.040 them chance after chance lives like, oh is that it? 1:01:22.320 --> 1:01:23.960 Or do you get off on the power? And the 1:01:24.040 --> 1:01:26.280 judge tells Olivia you better watch it or I'll hold 1:01:26.280 --> 1:01:27.840 you in contempt and she goes, how I thought this 1:01:27.960 --> 1:01:29.800 was just a friendly chat, and I really like love 1:01:29.840 --> 1:01:32.920 it when Olivia gets like sarcastic and sassy, but uh oh, 1:01:33.120 --> 1:01:35.600 this is the last straw for this psycho judge. And 1:01:35.760 --> 1:01:38.480 Pond's like, you don't have the authority to sanction Benson. 1:01:38.520 --> 1:01:41.240 And the judge goes watch this and calls the court 1:01:41.280 --> 1:01:44.320 officer over to take not only Benson but Pond as 1:01:44.360 --> 1:01:47.160 well to lock up. They're both in contempt of court. 1:01:47.440 --> 1:01:49.560 And then she goes, have a nice day, ladies, And 1:01:49.680 --> 1:01:51.880 it's so fucked. This is like the blood boiling shit 1:01:51.920 --> 1:01:53.920 that you get from just people like abusing their power. 1:01:54.080 --> 1:01:55.920 You know, it's so much worse than even just like 1:01:56.480 --> 1:01:58.320 I don't know, it's just it's the it's the most 1:01:58.880 --> 1:02:01.160 like skin crawling kind of evil. 1:02:01.520 --> 1:02:04.760 Well, yeah, obviously, because it's someone that no regard for 1:02:04.920 --> 1:02:07.840 anyone else's life. You know, like this girl's now on 1:02:07.920 --> 1:02:10.960 a sexual registry list. Yeah, because she took a photo 1:02:11.200 --> 1:02:13.400 and accidentally sent it to an extra friend who then 1:02:13.440 --> 1:02:16.120 spread it. It's like, it's wild to just want to 1:02:16.240 --> 1:02:20.160 ruin someone's life and no no care, no care in 1:02:20.160 --> 1:02:20.480 the world. 1:02:20.680 --> 1:02:20.880 Yeah. 1:02:21.360 --> 1:02:24.440 So in the next scene, the two ladies are in 1:02:24.520 --> 1:02:26.760 a cell when Cragan shows up and Benson's like, what 1:02:26.800 --> 1:02:27.280 are you waiting for? 1:02:27.480 --> 1:02:27.920 Spring us? 1:02:27.960 --> 1:02:30.320 And Craigan's like, I'm just savoring the moment, but like 1:02:30.480 --> 1:02:32.640 it lasts one second and then the door opens and 1:02:32.720 --> 1:02:35.000 Olivia comes out, and I'll tell you something. Her hair 1:02:35.080 --> 1:02:38.280 looks bouncy and shiny and gorgeous even in a musty cell. 1:02:38.760 --> 1:02:40.760 And she's like, we didn't even get our phone call. 1:02:40.840 --> 1:02:43.200 How do you know we were here? And he goes 1:02:43.280 --> 1:02:45.720 Sam called the corporation council. So then they go to 1:02:45.760 --> 1:02:47.640 speak to her and they're like, I thought you were 1:02:47.640 --> 1:02:49.600 scared of crossing this bitch, and she was like, well, 1:02:49.640 --> 1:02:51.800 at least I'll be in good company. And she's like 1:02:51.920 --> 1:02:53.560 I pulled up the stats on the judge and I 1:02:53.640 --> 1:02:57.040 found something juicy. She has sent nineteen kids to that 1:02:57.120 --> 1:02:59.960 facility in Ohio this year, and she sent thirty three 1:03:00.120 --> 1:03:03.400 there last year. They were all teen sex offenders and 1:03:03.800 --> 1:03:08.120 their crimes were urinating in public, public lewdness, loitering. None 1:03:08.160 --> 1:03:10.840 of them are sex offenses, and she took them all 1:03:10.920 --> 1:03:15.080 to trial and turned them into felonies. And Craigan's like, well, 1:03:15.240 --> 1:03:17.800 she's so she's a hanging judge, but it's within her 1:03:18.080 --> 1:03:20.120 jurisdic Like, that's within her purview, she can do that. 1:03:20.680 --> 1:03:22.320 So Olivia is like, well, then why did she lock 1:03:22.440 --> 1:03:24.560 us up just for asking about her records? And why 1:03:24.640 --> 1:03:27.600 did Ed Mangini tip her off? So now we cut 1:03:27.680 --> 1:03:30.280 to outside the courthouse and Ed Mangini is a running 1:03:30.320 --> 1:03:33.000 towards his Mercedes where Stabler is sitting on it reading 1:03:33.040 --> 1:03:35.680 the paper. And I don't blame him because I think 1:03:35.720 --> 1:03:37.960 that Stabler ass could really put a sizeable. 1:03:37.640 --> 1:03:38.320 Dent in a car. 1:03:38.480 --> 1:03:40.920 You know, you don't want that whole booty denting your 1:03:41.080 --> 1:03:43.600 sports car. So Stabler's like, nice wheels? 1:03:43.680 --> 1:03:45.480 Is it a rental? And the guy's like, I own it? 1:03:45.520 --> 1:03:48.360 And he's like pretty pricey for a government hack and 1:03:48.840 --> 1:03:51.120 you know, flashes his badge. And then in the next scene, 1:03:51.280 --> 1:03:54.440 Manginie's an interrogation with both Benson and Stabler asking this 1:03:54.680 --> 1:03:57.840 rat to explain himself, and he's like, I want a lawyer, 1:03:57.840 --> 1:03:59.720 and they're like, great idea, And maybe your lawyer can't 1:03:59.720 --> 1:04:03.560 explain a Mercedes and a seven figure condo in Boca 1:04:03.960 --> 1:04:06.440 on a salary of fifty six K. I'm sorry, a 1:04:06.560 --> 1:04:10.040 one million dollar condo in Boca in two thousand and nine. 1:04:10.480 --> 1:04:12.680 This better be ocean front. Like I don't know the 1:04:12.760 --> 1:04:15.480 market in Boca, but that shit better be on the water. 1:04:15.720 --> 1:04:18.080 But yeah, it's also like you couldn't get an Audi. 1:04:18.240 --> 1:04:20.960 You had to get the Mercedes. I know, like you 1:04:21.000 --> 1:04:23.240 don't think anyone was gonna be suspicious. And if you 1:04:23.320 --> 1:04:24.800 got an old one, you could be like, oh, I 1:04:25.080 --> 1:04:27.920 got it from an inheritance or something, but like yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:04:27.960 --> 1:04:31.240 and new Mercedes as a court ploye, it's like, dude, 1:04:31.400 --> 1:04:33.280 which you could also keep it in a garage or 1:04:33.360 --> 1:04:34.880 keep it at your house in Boca and drive it 1:04:34.920 --> 1:04:35.720 when you go down there. 1:04:36.040 --> 1:04:39.360 You're driving it to the courthouse where you are doing crimes. 1:04:39.560 --> 1:04:41.920 In New York City in New York City where no 1:04:42.000 --> 1:04:45.520 one drives. It's too crazy. And they're like telling him, 1:04:45.520 --> 1:04:47.960 They're like, so listen, right now, you're going down alone. 1:04:48.040 --> 1:04:51.480 We've got you on corruption, tax evasion. You cooperate with us. 1:04:51.680 --> 1:04:54.080 Now you're a witness and you're not a co conspirator. 1:04:54.480 --> 1:04:57.000 And he's like, okay, all right, and he just he 1:04:57.040 --> 1:04:59.200 doesn't even wait for that lawyer anymore. He's like, Judge 1:04:59.240 --> 1:05:00.800 Martin likes a certain kind of case, and I'm the 1:05:00.840 --> 1:05:04.439 one who makes up her docket. So basically, she pays 1:05:04.520 --> 1:05:07.120 this guy to pad her calendar so that she can 1:05:07.240 --> 1:05:11.560 send kids to this Wellsburg place because dun Dunn, her cousin, 1:05:11.840 --> 1:05:15.400 owns the facility in Wellsburg, and she gets kickbacks for 1:05:15.520 --> 1:05:18.880 every bed she fills. Ed Mangenie's like, I'm so sorry. 1:05:19.120 --> 1:05:22.480 I'll never do it again, and Stabler goes, actually you will. 1:05:23.000 --> 1:05:26.880 So in the next scene, Elliott is deep undercover wearing glasses. 1:05:27.120 --> 1:05:29.680 You can barely recognize him. But it's also like we've 1:05:29.720 --> 1:05:33.200 been working in the courts forever. She's never seen Elliott. 1:05:33.400 --> 1:05:36.080 I know, I know, it's like they just kept her 1:05:36.120 --> 1:05:38.840 away from live but like Elliott's fair game, I guess 1:05:38.840 --> 1:05:40.840 because they haven't had a one on one, and so 1:05:41.960 --> 1:05:45.640 he's walking into chambers with Marsden and she calls him 1:05:45.960 --> 1:05:48.680 mister Saroda, so we know he's undercover. And it's like, oh, 1:05:48.720 --> 1:05:51.240 I heard you grew up with Ed Mangini and he's like, 1:05:51.360 --> 1:05:54.320 oh yeah, last kid picked for stickball, and he's like 1:05:54.400 --> 1:05:56.280 kind of putting on a queen's accent a little bit more, 1:05:56.520 --> 1:05:59.000 and then he tells her, listen, here's the deal. My 1:05:59.080 --> 1:06:01.320 thirteen year old daughter been hanging out with this fifteen 1:06:01.360 --> 1:06:03.920 year old low life. The kid is the worst, and 1:06:04.080 --> 1:06:06.280 he stole my car, totaled it, and the cops just 1:06:06.320 --> 1:06:08.160 busted him for joy riding, and I just think a 1:06:08.200 --> 1:06:11.120 little bit more should be done. So then he goes 1:06:11.280 --> 1:06:13.240 and Ed says, you know how to deal with kids 1:06:13.360 --> 1:06:15.760 like this, and she's like, I serve the public good. 1:06:16.240 --> 1:06:18.920 And he goes, well, the kid's name is Polly Catillano 1:06:19.080 --> 1:06:21.760 and he's in your schedule for tomorrow, and she said, well, 1:06:21.760 --> 1:06:23.880 i'll review the case. And he shakes her hand and goes, 1:06:23.960 --> 1:06:26.760 I appreciate it, and she goes, well, you can always 1:06:26.760 --> 1:06:28.880 show your appreciation in the form of a donation to 1:06:29.000 --> 1:06:33.040 my re election campaign, because let's not forget judges get elected, 1:06:33.840 --> 1:06:37.240 so he pulls out. They get appointed. I don't know 1:06:37.280 --> 1:06:39.880 the different they get appointed sometimes by presidents or whatever. 1:06:40.000 --> 1:06:41.640 Maybe it depends on what kind of judge. But then 1:06:41.680 --> 1:06:44.960 they also think federal and then city ones states. 1:06:45.080 --> 1:06:48.040 Yeah, because I do remember voting for Chicago judgeler like 1:06:48.120 --> 1:06:50.280 Cook County and like going Aho website. 1:06:50.560 --> 1:06:53.919 Yeah yeah, who was good and bad? And so many 1:06:54.040 --> 1:06:54.720 bad judges. 1:06:54.840 --> 1:06:57.280 It's like people before voting should look like I mean, 1:06:57.360 --> 1:06:59.640 obviously going to cover this real case, but like, I 1:06:59.720 --> 1:07:02.320 think these judges are causing a lot of problems. 1:07:03.480 --> 1:07:05.760 All over town today that we're actually recording. 1:07:05.840 --> 1:07:10.440 This episode is primaries here in California, and I voted 1:07:10.520 --> 1:07:13.640 for all these judges, but I consult like a progressive 1:07:14.120 --> 1:07:16.480 voter guide so that I'm hopefully voting for judges who 1:07:16.520 --> 1:07:19.760 are not you know, fucking Swoosy Kurtz. 1:07:19.960 --> 1:07:22.760 Like, I just don't know if normal, chill, good people 1:07:23.040 --> 1:07:25.160 want to just be judges. Except for one person I 1:07:25.240 --> 1:07:27.680 know who's on a judge bath. But I believe in her. 1:07:28.480 --> 1:07:32.200 But that's because her father was a judge whatever. So 1:07:32.840 --> 1:07:34.840 it's like a pilot, you know, like even if you're 1:07:34.840 --> 1:07:36.960 doing good work, you do have an ego. 1:07:37.040 --> 1:07:39.800 Surgeons, you know, yeah, yes, yeah, yeah. 1:07:40.680 --> 1:07:46.480 So anyway, Elliott undercover as Saroda pulls out a big 1:07:46.640 --> 1:07:49.840 yellow envelope full of cash, presumably and throws it on 1:07:49.920 --> 1:07:52.840 her desk, and then she shuts her portfolio on top 1:07:52.920 --> 1:07:55.080 of it, so clearly. 1:07:54.800 --> 1:07:57.880 A motion of accepting it. And now we're in court 1:07:57.960 --> 1:07:59.919 and it's a full school play. 1:08:00.240 --> 1:08:03.120 Okay, we've got Elliott in his glasses, Huong playing a 1:08:03.200 --> 1:08:07.920 defense attorney, and Ethan grand views star of Oklahoma has 1:08:08.000 --> 1:08:09.800 landed the role of Polly Catilano. 1:08:12.280 --> 1:08:14.440 I love out of all the detect to everyone that 1:08:14.520 --> 1:08:17.439 could have used undercover, they're like, you know, let's go 1:08:17.560 --> 1:08:18.920 to the back to the high school and. 1:08:18.960 --> 1:08:21.560 Get that theater kid. He's gonna kill it. It's like 1:08:21.680 --> 1:08:22.160 the best. 1:08:22.760 --> 1:08:25.360 This should be a spinoff movie, honestly. And then he 1:08:25.479 --> 1:08:27.920 starts just like going undercover for the cops. 1:08:28.000 --> 1:08:30.680 I mean, yeah, I love this. I mean role of 1:08:30.720 --> 1:08:31.800 a lifetime. I love it. 1:08:32.120 --> 1:08:36.479 So anyway, Judge Marsden is like doing the thing that 1:08:36.560 --> 1:08:39.320 she does, and she's up charging the defendant. She's changing 1:08:39.360 --> 1:08:43.000 all the charges to grand larceny, auto custodial interference, and 1:08:43.200 --> 1:08:44.559 endangering the welfare of a child. 1:08:45.240 --> 1:08:48.880 And it's interesting because this one I don't think is. 1:08:48.880 --> 1:08:50.439 Gonna get her any money, because I don't think that 1:08:50.479 --> 1:08:51.960 this is gonna get sent to Wellsburg. 1:08:52.000 --> 1:08:53.640 But it does show that she just has a pattern of. 1:08:53.680 --> 1:08:56.240 Like taking bribes and she doesn't give a fuck about kids, 1:08:56.920 --> 1:09:01.240 and so she escalates all these charges and then Huang 1:09:01.320 --> 1:09:03.360 objects and Marsden is like, don't tell me how to 1:09:03.439 --> 1:09:06.040 run my court room, and Polly aka Ethan has an 1:09:06.040 --> 1:09:09.400 outburst and Kragan's there playing his dad and is like, 1:09:09.520 --> 1:09:12.960 calm down, Polly. And we just don't get episodes like 1:09:13.040 --> 1:09:16.479 this anymore, like a full sting operation in court where 1:09:16.520 --> 1:09:19.479 everyone is acting and bringing their Thespian game. 1:09:19.560 --> 1:09:20.200 I'm obsessed. 1:09:20.800 --> 1:09:24.760 So she remands the kid to jail until trial, which 1:09:24.800 --> 1:09:27.040 is also a wild thing to do for a non 1:09:27.120 --> 1:09:30.439 violent offense, like to deny bail, Like I learned all 1:09:30.439 --> 1:09:32.840 about that during you know, the odd non saied is 1:09:32.920 --> 1:09:35.240 Like one of the reasons that people think he did 1:09:35.280 --> 1:09:37.240 not get a good defense is because he never once 1:09:37.280 --> 1:09:38.840 they took him, the police took him from his home, 1:09:38.880 --> 1:09:41.040 he never went back to his house again. So he 1:09:41.320 --> 1:09:43.920 like to let not let kids out on bail is 1:09:44.640 --> 1:09:48.720 wild and especially in this circumstance. So then she adjourns 1:09:48.840 --> 1:09:51.200 the court and Stabler stands up and goes, the only 1:09:51.280 --> 1:09:54.599 one going into custody is you, and what the hell 1:09:54.720 --> 1:09:56.920 is this? Marsden asks, and they go the end of 1:09:56.960 --> 1:10:00.439 a nightmare for hundreds of kids. Elliot arrests her for ribery, 1:10:00.479 --> 1:10:04.719 official misconduct, and false imprisonment. Huang adds plus federal charges 1:10:04.760 --> 1:10:07.920 of wire fraud and conspiracy to defraud the US. Marsten 1:10:08.000 --> 1:10:10.240 is yelling, I've done nothing wrong. These kids need to 1:10:10.280 --> 1:10:13.360 be put away. People like me keep this country safe. 1:10:13.400 --> 1:10:15.280 I have the balls to stand up for what's right, 1:10:15.400 --> 1:10:18.280 not like you, lousy bleeding hearts. And she is one 1:10:18.400 --> 1:10:22.400 hound do percent a Republican and she shares one last 1:10:22.560 --> 1:10:25.080 cold look with Sam as the authorities walk her out 1:10:25.120 --> 1:10:28.479 in cuffs and Stabler tells Ethan, you got a shot 1:10:28.479 --> 1:10:31.000 at Broadway, kid, and then he's like, how's Kim doing? 1:10:31.439 --> 1:10:33.599 So then we cut out sides to the courthouse. Kim 1:10:33.840 --> 1:10:35.719 exits with her family, sees Ethan. 1:10:35.880 --> 1:10:37.920 They hug. Maybe they'll start dating. 1:10:38.120 --> 1:10:41.240 Maybe she needs a theater dork to help her heal 1:10:41.400 --> 1:10:44.880 from this horrible relationship. She's getting out of her verdict 1:10:44.960 --> 1:10:47.360 and her sentence have been vacated, there's no record. 1:10:47.520 --> 1:10:48.719 It's like it never happened. 1:10:49.240 --> 1:10:52.320 And Kim says, a lot happened, and you all helped me, 1:10:52.439 --> 1:10:55.679 and Liv goes, no, you helped yourself, and then Kim smiles, 1:10:56.080 --> 1:10:57.360 and that's dick Wolf. 1:10:57.200 --> 1:10:59.559 Baby Very After School Special. 1:11:00.240 --> 1:11:00.400 Very. 1:11:01.280 --> 1:11:01.920 Here's the thing. 1:11:02.520 --> 1:11:06.240 I have a couple holes with this episode, which is like, like, one, 1:11:06.479 --> 1:11:08.439 why are we not trying the boys for disseminating the 1:11:08.520 --> 1:11:10.960 child pornography? Like that's like we could have easily figured 1:11:10.960 --> 1:11:14.120 that out. But also it doesn't really track for me 1:11:14.800 --> 1:11:19.120 that this judge was doing this to a girl who 1:11:19.160 --> 1:11:21.640 can afford a lawyer like Cassie Pond. Like, to me, 1:11:21.760 --> 1:11:23.000 this seems like the kind of thing you're trying to 1:11:23.000 --> 1:11:25.720 sneak past public defenders or people who are so overworked 1:11:25.760 --> 1:11:27.760 that they can't like, you know, they don't have time 1:11:27.840 --> 1:11:28.880 to file a four forty. 1:11:28.920 --> 1:11:31.040 It's like, you think she's gonna let this happen. She 1:11:31.439 --> 1:11:32.560 obviously gonna get you. 1:11:32.880 --> 1:11:33.240 No, I do. 1:11:33.479 --> 1:11:35.880 I think power corrupts your brain and it knows you, 1:11:36.080 --> 1:11:37.840 and I think you think you can get away with everything. 1:11:37.880 --> 1:11:39.760 I think it makes you arrogant, and that's when you 1:11:39.800 --> 1:11:42.519 get slappy and start making mistake. Yeah, you're getting all 1:11:42.560 --> 1:11:44.920 this money, You're controlling everything. 1:11:45.120 --> 1:11:48.120 Yeah, it's sick. I guess she's close with this cousin. 1:11:48.200 --> 1:11:48.800 I mean I don't know. 1:11:49.000 --> 1:11:52.200 Yeah, this cousin. How much could you possibly be getting? 1:11:52.360 --> 1:11:55.160 Oh my god, Well, hold on to your seat belts. Guys. 1:11:55.640 --> 1:11:57.840 I've heard of this crime, but I don't know a lot, 1:11:57.920 --> 1:11:59.800 so I'm excited for you to tell me. 1:12:07.720 --> 1:12:12.040 So this episode is based on the Kids for Cash 1:12:12.360 --> 1:12:15.840 scandal and sets of crimes, not to be confused with 1:12:16.000 --> 1:12:18.400 Cars for Kids, which is what I thought this was 1:12:18.479 --> 1:12:23.240 this whole time before I started researching, was so fully separated. 1:12:23.320 --> 1:12:26.080 Did you think there was a scandal at Cars for Kids? 1:12:26.400 --> 1:12:27.519 One hundred percent correct? 1:12:27.560 --> 1:12:28.800 Yes, wow wow wow wow wow. 1:12:28.920 --> 1:12:31.080 Okay, because it seems shady cars is spelled with a 1:12:31.160 --> 1:12:34.120 K the billboards, like, I didn't believe in that either, 1:12:34.479 --> 1:12:36.120 So I did think that this was going to be 1:12:36.200 --> 1:12:40.240 a car I didn't. Yeah, I didn't realize that this 1:12:40.479 --> 1:12:44.120 was a different thing. So anyways, not good. There's a 1:12:44.160 --> 1:12:46.519 lot of different reporting, and maybe it's throughout the times, 1:12:46.600 --> 1:12:50.640 but between twenty five hundred and five thousand kids were 1:12:50.720 --> 1:12:55.639 affected by this Kid's for Cash scandal one judge aka 1:12:55.840 --> 1:12:57.400 one and a half. I would say two judges, a 1:12:57.439 --> 1:13:01.000 couple other guys. This is this is more dramatic. I 1:13:01.080 --> 1:13:03.240 wanted to start dramatic, but then more and more information 1:13:03.439 --> 1:13:05.400 came out. But this was my beginning start, you know, 1:13:05.479 --> 1:13:09.240 I was gonna be like, yeah, five thousand kids, one judge, 1:13:09.479 --> 1:13:12.800 millions of dollars, but there's actually many more players and 1:13:12.960 --> 1:13:15.960 I apologize, but the episode downplayed it a lot like 1:13:16.200 --> 1:13:19.000 it was thirty three kids last year, nineteen this year. 1:13:19.040 --> 1:13:21.000 I mean, like, not that any kid should be put 1:13:21.000 --> 1:13:23.400 away for nothing, but this is a huge fucking number. 1:13:23.640 --> 1:13:29.120 Well no, I wonder if it would be too unbelievable, 1:13:29.600 --> 1:13:32.880 like if they did it, because this is wild. So 1:13:33.560 --> 1:13:36.879 in two thousand and seven, the Juvenile Laws Center received 1:13:37.160 --> 1:13:40.280 like a call from an alarmed parent, and it made 1:13:40.320 --> 1:13:46.479 them start investigating irregularities in Pennsylvania. Luzerne County Juvenile Court 1:13:47.240 --> 1:13:50.280 luze r Any. I'm sure someone's gonna fuck with us 1:13:50.320 --> 1:13:51.960 and write us Luzernie whatever. 1:13:52.479 --> 1:13:54.920 I think it's Luzerne. Yeah, I would, That's how I 1:13:54.960 --> 1:13:55.439 would say it. 1:13:55.520 --> 1:13:57.960 And if it's not, you're in a dumb town, okay, 1:13:58.600 --> 1:14:02.760 Well yeah, you're known for this okay. So basically what 1:14:02.920 --> 1:14:06.679 the Law Center discovered beyond horrible. And so this county, 1:14:06.760 --> 1:14:10.760 Luzerne County was formerly known for coal and now for 1:14:11.000 --> 1:14:12.599 organized crime and public corruption. 1:14:12.920 --> 1:14:14.519 Is it's number one claim to fame. 1:14:15.120 --> 1:14:17.800 So basically, all of these kids, they all stood in 1:14:17.880 --> 1:14:22.120 front of Judge Mark Sierra Virella. But I might call 1:14:22.200 --> 1:14:24.880 him citronella throughout, because it's an easier word for me 1:14:24.960 --> 1:14:26.880 to say, but it seems like the same, you know 1:14:26.920 --> 1:14:29.840 what I mean. And then he saw these kids without 1:14:29.920 --> 1:14:33.320 counsel most of the time, found them guilty very very 1:14:33.439 --> 1:14:36.760 quickly for minor offenses, and then immediately transferred them out 1:14:36.920 --> 1:14:40.080 of their home immediately, which of course this is not allowed. 1:14:40.120 --> 1:14:42.120 I don't even know how this fucker got away with it, 1:14:42.240 --> 1:14:45.160 because in nineteen sixty seven there was a US Supreme 1:14:45.200 --> 1:14:48.400 Court ruling that children have a constitutional right to counsel. 1:14:49.120 --> 1:14:51.720 So the fact that he was like trying all of 1:14:51.800 --> 1:14:53.559 these kids, I'll get into the numbers in the nitty 1:14:53.600 --> 1:14:56.320 gritty throughout, but like the fact that he was able 1:14:56.400 --> 1:14:59.799 to like try all these kids quickly with no counsel 1:15:00.000 --> 1:15:02.960 when there's laws on the books for as long as 1:15:03.040 --> 1:15:04.360 he did is really shocking. 1:15:04.400 --> 1:15:06.479 And it shows us how bureaucracy is stupid. 1:15:07.120 --> 1:15:10.160 So in his courtroom, these kids were seen without counsel 1:15:10.479 --> 1:15:13.559 like five times more the state average from nineteen ninety 1:15:13.640 --> 1:15:16.320 seven to two thousand and three, and then once all 1:15:16.360 --> 1:15:19.240 of these deals and business things and corruptions started, from 1:15:19.240 --> 1:15:21.280 two thousand and three to two thousand and seven, it 1:15:21.439 --> 1:15:24.040 was ten times the state average that he was seeing 1:15:24.160 --> 1:15:27.760 kids without counsel. And then I wrote, OMG in my notes, Yeah, 1:15:27.760 --> 1:15:31.120 that's how I felt. So not only without counsel, but 1:15:31.240 --> 1:15:35.120 like I said, very brief hearings, the average length was 1:15:35.280 --> 1:15:36.080 four minutes. 1:15:36.439 --> 1:15:37.120 Oh my god. 1:15:37.479 --> 1:15:41.040 Sorry if I popped anyone's ear vault like earbuts by yelling, 1:15:41.240 --> 1:15:42.719 but four minutes. 1:15:42.960 --> 1:15:43.200 Fuck. 1:15:43.560 --> 1:15:46.040 And then not only that, more evidence was the detention 1:15:46.240 --> 1:15:49.160 center workers were told in advance how many juveniles to 1:15:49.280 --> 1:15:51.519 expect at the end of each day. But that was 1:15:51.600 --> 1:15:55.600 before hearings, So like before the hearings to determine if 1:15:55.640 --> 1:15:58.640 these kids were innocent or guilty even happened, they were 1:15:58.680 --> 1:16:02.200 already telling the detention center workers how many and take 1:16:02.280 --> 1:16:05.599 that people were going to come in, and lawyers told 1:16:05.680 --> 1:16:09.120 families even don't even bother hiring us, because he doesn't 1:16:09.160 --> 1:16:13.200 let us speak anyways. So that's the thing, even people 1:16:13.240 --> 1:16:14.920 with lawyers, because you're like, how would this happen in 1:16:15.000 --> 1:16:17.800 real life with these cool lawyers. He just didn't let 1:16:17.840 --> 1:16:20.479 them talk, like he didn't care. And we'll get into 1:16:20.760 --> 1:16:24.040 like more and more examples. This fucker was very unforgiving 1:16:24.160 --> 1:16:26.559 and relentless. So finally, in two thousand and eight, they 1:16:26.600 --> 1:16:30.040 petitioned the Pennsylvania Supreme Court to vacate all of these 1:16:30.160 --> 1:16:31.879 juveniles and expunge the records. 1:16:32.439 --> 1:16:34.559 And there is a documentary on all of this called 1:16:34.600 --> 1:16:35.280 Kids for Cash. 1:16:35.360 --> 1:16:37.680 It came out in twenty fourteen, so if you want 1:16:37.720 --> 1:16:40.439 more information, and it was done by a legit reporter. 1:16:40.720 --> 1:16:41.840 So in two thousand and eight. 1:16:41.960 --> 1:16:45.040 They petitioned the Pennsylvania Supreme Court to vacate all these 1:16:45.120 --> 1:16:47.880 juveniles and expunge the records. But the court denied the 1:16:47.960 --> 1:16:51.920 initial petition. But then the United States Attorney alleged that 1:16:52.040 --> 1:16:55.160 this judge, you know, Citronella and another judge in Luzern 1:16:55.240 --> 1:16:59.360 County named Michael Conahan had accepted two point six million 1:16:59.439 --> 1:17:03.920 dollars in kickbacks from two private for profit juvenile facilities. 1:17:04.560 --> 1:17:07.559 One was the Pennsylvania Childcare and then the Sister location 1:17:07.800 --> 1:17:10.720 was in western Pennsylvania and it was like Western PA childcare, 1:17:11.240 --> 1:17:14.479 and he had like zero tolerance policy, so lots of 1:17:14.560 --> 1:17:17.479 kids were sent zero tolerance. And these two freaks became 1:17:17.560 --> 1:17:20.759 super close because they had similar stern views of justice 1:17:21.240 --> 1:17:23.360 while of course breaking the law for themselves. 1:17:23.479 --> 1:17:24.240 That's what I love. 1:17:25.000 --> 1:17:29.320 I love that these like super like always are the 1:17:29.400 --> 1:17:31.479 ones committing all of these fucking crimes. 1:17:31.560 --> 1:17:31.800 Yeah. 1:17:31.920 --> 1:17:33.960 So they lived right next to each other. They bought 1:17:34.000 --> 1:17:36.519 houses next to each other in this wealthy suburb called 1:17:36.560 --> 1:17:39.760 Wilkes Bar. There's like another co conspirator that lived in 1:17:39.800 --> 1:17:41.320 that neighborhood too, We'll learn about him. 1:17:41.800 --> 1:17:43.519 So, and they were close. 1:17:43.680 --> 1:17:46.160 These judges, they would get RVs as families had to 1:17:46.280 --> 1:17:49.519 penn State games Florida. They were all friends, and they 1:17:49.560 --> 1:17:51.800 also had a lot in common, like sending children as 1:17:51.840 --> 1:17:52.799 young as. 1:17:52.760 --> 1:17:56.760 Eight to detention centers. Oh my god, yeah eight. 1:17:57.240 --> 1:17:59.040 Oh yeah, And if parents were unable to pay the 1:17:59.120 --> 1:18:02.599 costs of detention, their children were held longer. One teen 1:18:02.840 --> 1:18:07.360 social security survivors check from her dead father were garnished 1:18:07.439 --> 1:18:10.680 to pay the costs of being sent away by one 1:18:10.720 --> 1:18:11.439 of these judges. 1:18:11.560 --> 1:18:13.880 Wait a minute, you have to pay for it when 1:18:13.920 --> 1:18:15.879 you get sentenced to a juvenile facility. 1:18:15.960 --> 1:18:17.680 You pay for it, well, I know, for jail, Like 1:18:17.720 --> 1:18:19.160 I got a bill after I got out of jail 1:18:19.840 --> 1:18:22.160 for a few days. You owe money, who you owe 1:18:22.200 --> 1:18:24.280 money for your time? That's why it's crazy. 1:18:24.439 --> 1:18:25.160 I didn't know that. 1:18:25.520 --> 1:18:28.759 Yeah, I mean it's for profit, like oh my god, 1:18:29.200 --> 1:18:30.720 or you owed the city. But yeah, you get bill. 1:18:30.800 --> 1:18:31.559 You get like a bill. 1:18:32.080 --> 1:18:33.720 Anyone can write in and tell me if I'm wrong, 1:18:33.800 --> 1:18:36.400 but yeah, fuck okay. 1:18:36.760 --> 1:18:40.240 Many of these children first time offenders for things like 1:18:40.400 --> 1:18:45.560 petty theft, jaywalking, true and see smoking on school grounds. 1:18:46.200 --> 1:18:49.639 So like one girl, Hillary Transu, did not have an attorney, 1:18:50.080 --> 1:18:51.720 She was not told she had the right to one. 1:18:52.160 --> 1:18:55.200 She appeared in his courtroom Sevrella in two thousand and 1:18:55.240 --> 1:18:57.720 seven for building a MySpace page that made fun of 1:18:57.760 --> 1:19:02.839 her assistant principle. Her mother, Laurene Transue, worked for sixteen 1:19:02.920 --> 1:19:05.880 years in the child services department of another county, and 1:19:06.000 --> 1:19:07.800 so she was certain that Hillary would just get a 1:19:07.840 --> 1:19:10.640 slap on the wrist, but instead she was sentenced to 1:19:10.760 --> 1:19:14.639 three months in a facility for making a joke MySpace page. 1:19:14.960 --> 1:19:16.840 But her mom got a lawyer and she got out 1:19:16.880 --> 1:19:19.000 after a month, but still a month. I hope she's 1:19:19.040 --> 1:19:23.920 still making memes today. Yeah, ahead of her time. Another 1:19:24.080 --> 1:19:26.360 boy was accused of acting as a lookout for his 1:19:26.520 --> 1:19:29.080 friend who was stealing DVDs. He's like, I didn't even 1:19:29.080 --> 1:19:31.200 know my friend was going to steal these DVDs. But 1:19:31.360 --> 1:19:33.639 he did plead guilty and then was sent to wilderness 1:19:33.720 --> 1:19:36.400 camp for four fucking months. He ended up dropping out 1:19:36.439 --> 1:19:37.880 of school and it ruined his whole life. 1:19:38.000 --> 1:19:38.920 Oh my god. 1:19:39.680 --> 1:19:42.000 One parent he threw in jail who could not pay 1:19:42.080 --> 1:19:44.040 the court and posed fees for his daughter who was 1:19:44.120 --> 1:19:47.960 locked up. A thirteen year old was incarcerated for throwing 1:19:48.000 --> 1:19:51.920 a piece of steak at her mother's boyfriend. There was 1:19:51.960 --> 1:19:55.280 a fifteen year old who was sentenced for throwing a 1:19:55.360 --> 1:19:58.160 sandal at her mother. An eleven year old who called 1:19:58.160 --> 1:20:00.760 the police after her his mother locked him out of 1:20:00.800 --> 1:20:03.760 the house. A fourteen year old for writing vote for 1:20:03.840 --> 1:20:07.840 Michael Jackson on some stop signs, and then that girl 1:20:08.000 --> 1:20:10.519 ended up having a seizure in the detention center after 1:20:10.600 --> 1:20:13.240 banging her head so hard she cracked her dental braces. 1:20:13.439 --> 1:20:14.280 Oh my god. 1:20:14.800 --> 1:20:17.320 So this girl wrote something on a stop sign and 1:20:17.439 --> 1:20:22.639 then ended up like full on physical harm. One fourteen 1:20:22.720 --> 1:20:26.200 year old pocketed changed from unlocked cars in the neighborhood 1:20:26.560 --> 1:20:28.599 and a cop caught him, and so this eighth grader 1:20:28.720 --> 1:20:30.839 was taken away and shipped to a school for troubled 1:20:30.880 --> 1:20:31.920 teens for nine months. 1:20:32.400 --> 1:20:34.479 Jesus, this is so bad. 1:20:34.840 --> 1:20:37.920 The judge would find kids delinquent and straight up shackle 1:20:37.960 --> 1:20:39.679 them and take them away without giving them a chance 1:20:39.720 --> 1:20:41.439 to put up a defense or even saying goodbye to 1:20:41.520 --> 1:20:44.439 their families. Many of these kids were traumatized for life, 1:20:44.439 --> 1:20:47.200 as you can imagine being shipped off to jail and 1:20:47.280 --> 1:20:49.600 then having so much struggle when they come back, and 1:20:49.600 --> 1:20:50.960 then they're shunned by their friends. 1:20:51.240 --> 1:20:53.559 It's like, you know that this guy, besides the fact 1:20:53.560 --> 1:20:56.240 that he's getting kickbacks or whatever the fuck, thinks that 1:20:56.479 --> 1:20:59.680 like this is like a scared straight tactic that's like 1:20:59.720 --> 1:21:02.840 good to help these kids like never commit a crime again. 1:21:02.920 --> 1:21:04.200 And it's like, how much do you want to admit 1:21:04.240 --> 1:21:06.160 that this fucked them all up so much that like 1:21:06.479 --> 1:21:08.960 they can't hold jobs, they commit crimes, Like do you 1:21:09.040 --> 1:21:09.519 know what I mean? 1:21:09.760 --> 1:21:11.880 Yeah, but I don't even think he thought he was 1:21:11.960 --> 1:21:13.960 doing good. I really don't see that in him, Like 1:21:14.080 --> 1:21:15.439 I just think he's a piece of shit. 1:21:15.800 --> 1:21:19.840 Yeah, God, no, just to say that, like, traumatizing kids 1:21:19.880 --> 1:21:23.120 doesn't teach them a lesson, you know, he just traumatizes them. 1:21:24.800 --> 1:21:27.720 Yeah, trauma is just trauma. Doesn't make you stronger, better, 1:21:27.960 --> 1:21:28.600 anything like that. 1:21:28.960 --> 1:21:31.320 But it wasn't even just juvenile cases, like this guy 1:21:31.479 --> 1:21:33.280 was just corrupt, you know, you would help his friends out. 1:21:33.320 --> 1:21:34.800 He had a friend from high school who ended up 1:21:34.840 --> 1:21:37.200 standing before him in court. He was going eighty and 1:21:37.240 --> 1:21:39.240 a fifty five and the judge said no, he wasn't, 1:21:39.280 --> 1:21:40.160 he was going sixty. 1:21:40.320 --> 1:21:43.280 Matter closed and it was dismissed and done. Wow that 1:21:43.400 --> 1:21:45.160 was that. And so for me, I'm like, well, how 1:21:45.200 --> 1:21:46.320 did this go on for so long? 1:21:46.479 --> 1:21:50.839 So like people must have seen it, right, prosecutors, public defenders, teachers, 1:21:50.960 --> 1:21:54.280 court employees, everyone saw what was going on. Like Severrella 1:21:54.360 --> 1:21:57.640 even told juvenile probation officers that talk to kids. He's like, 1:21:57.760 --> 1:22:00.080 talk kids out of exercising their right to count. So 1:22:00.800 --> 1:22:03.360 he gave direct orders to employees to convince kids not 1:22:03.439 --> 1:22:06.000 to get lawyers. But later when he was asked why 1:22:06.080 --> 1:22:08.160 he didn't make a habit of doing the opposite, you know, 1:22:08.240 --> 1:22:11.479 like telling juveniles about their rights. So he was quoted saying, 1:22:11.680 --> 1:22:14.639 I just don't believe I have to spoon feed people 1:22:14.800 --> 1:22:18.000 to do things in their life. So that's what he 1:22:18.160 --> 1:22:20.799 believes in telling children that they have a right to counsel, 1:22:21.040 --> 1:22:24.439 that's like spoon feeding information to them that they can have. 1:22:24.680 --> 1:22:26.639 But it also doesn't take away like you're not even 1:22:26.640 --> 1:22:28.879 spoon feeding, you're telling people to do the opposite. 1:22:29.160 --> 1:22:31.280 Yeah, because at the age of eleven, you should know 1:22:31.360 --> 1:22:33.599 how the justice system works and that you're allowed a lawyer. 1:22:33.840 --> 1:22:37.080 Like, what are you talking about? You better start getting 1:22:37.160 --> 1:22:39.400 some tutoring for those kids. You know, Rosie is gonna 1:22:39.400 --> 1:22:42.800 be up to no good. She needs to know this stuff. Yeah, yeah, 1:22:42.880 --> 1:22:44.840 knock on wood. I could see her making a little 1:22:45.040 --> 1:22:45.880 MySpace page. 1:22:46.320 --> 1:22:49.840 Oh absolutely, And yeah, I gotta definitely tell her don't 1:22:49.840 --> 1:22:51.560 say anything to me on the phone from jail, Like 1:22:51.640 --> 1:22:54.960 what that TikTok says. Yeah, Like she's gonna call me 1:22:55.000 --> 1:22:55.880 from jail and I'm gonna go. 1:22:56.120 --> 1:22:58.599 Just But even though I'm like where were the people, 1:22:58.920 --> 1:23:00.960 there were people that were trying to help, and you know, 1:23:01.120 --> 1:23:04.040 some got pushed through and did some tried. You know, 1:23:04.120 --> 1:23:06.439 there were local reporters who broke the story. There was 1:23:06.600 --> 1:23:09.880 another whistle blowing family court judge. Like I mentioned the 1:23:09.960 --> 1:23:13.840 Juvenile Law Center attorneys from Pennsylvania who represented some of 1:23:13.880 --> 1:23:16.559 the detained children, and they were the ones that petitioned 1:23:16.600 --> 1:23:19.560 the Supreme Court. There were parents that like fought for 1:23:19.680 --> 1:23:22.679 their kids, you know, there were people really fighting hard. Yeah, 1:23:22.760 --> 1:23:25.200 which makes it even more shocking that this was able 1:23:25.280 --> 1:23:28.000 to go on for years. You know, this went on 1:23:28.120 --> 1:23:30.320 from three, like I said, until eight and then in 1:23:30.360 --> 1:23:32.719 two thousand and three, though the state's Apartment of Public 1:23:32.800 --> 1:23:35.559 Welfare auditors noticed that the county was billing the state 1:23:35.960 --> 1:23:39.000 for the same amount every month for detention centers, which 1:23:39.120 --> 1:23:42.040 was strange because in most other counties the bills fluctuate 1:23:42.479 --> 1:23:45.400 based on the changing numbers of juvenile offenders each month. 1:23:45.800 --> 1:23:49.320 So that was put on blast almost immediately, right. So 1:23:49.560 --> 1:23:52.559 there was just so many red flags. And Ted Dallas, 1:23:52.600 --> 1:23:55.160 he was the executive deputy Secretary for the Department of 1:23:55.200 --> 1:23:58.439 Public Welfare, He's like, yeah, the red flags were everywhere, 1:23:58.800 --> 1:24:00.679 and he tried to work with the CA to lower 1:24:00.720 --> 1:24:03.559 its use of detention centers because the state pays partial 1:24:03.640 --> 1:24:06.360 reimbursement for all those costs, but he couldn't do much 1:24:06.439 --> 1:24:10.000 because the centers were privately owned. State auditors had limited 1:24:10.000 --> 1:24:12.919 authority and the judges were on the side of the centers, 1:24:13.000 --> 1:24:15.120 so there was little to do. So in the end 1:24:15.240 --> 1:24:17.320 Dallas was like, yeah, it all came down to the 1:24:17.400 --> 1:24:20.160 judge who decided, and the judge was getting. 1:24:20.000 --> 1:24:22.439 Kickbacks and in charge of all of this. Oh my god, 1:24:22.680 --> 1:24:23.719 and he was the head of stuff. 1:24:23.760 --> 1:24:25.760 So it was just like even the people that were 1:24:25.800 --> 1:24:28.679 trying to do stuff really couldn't do much, no authority, 1:24:28.800 --> 1:24:31.720 and you know, the voices are coming from inside the house. 1:24:31.920 --> 1:24:34.599 There was also another judge who tried to do something 1:24:34.760 --> 1:24:37.920 named Chester B. Morosky, and he sent a letter to 1:24:38.000 --> 1:24:41.720 the county commissioners raising concerns about the detention costs, and 1:24:41.880 --> 1:24:44.160 he was transferred to a different court a few days 1:24:44.200 --> 1:24:46.880 later by Judge Michael Conahan, who was like one of 1:24:46.960 --> 1:24:47.479 the duos. 1:24:47.880 --> 1:24:48.160 Wow. 1:24:48.880 --> 1:24:49.120 Yeah. 1:24:49.320 --> 1:24:52.240 And then there was Steve lud the county controller, and 1:24:52.439 --> 1:24:54.519 he leaked a state audit about the Center and how 1:24:54.600 --> 1:24:57.400 bad the deal was. But with that audit, the Center 1:24:57.640 --> 1:25:01.360 ended up filing a trade secrets lawsuit against Flood, and 1:25:01.479 --> 1:25:06.080 then Conahan sealed the suit to limit other documents from 1:25:06.120 --> 1:25:08.759 getting out. It was later overturned and we got the information. 1:25:08.920 --> 1:25:11.519 But like everybody's just fucking covering for each other. 1:25:11.760 --> 1:25:15.720 Right, Like, how fucking crazy? And so for years though 1:25:15.840 --> 1:25:16.360 before this. 1:25:16.520 --> 1:25:20.639 Youth advocacy groups complained that this prick was ridiculously harsh 1:25:20.760 --> 1:25:23.479 and trampled on these kids' rights. He was sending a 1:25:23.600 --> 1:25:26.799 quarter of his defendants to detention centers while the statewide 1:25:26.840 --> 1:25:29.920 average was one to ten. And you know, most likely 1:25:30.040 --> 1:25:33.280 these young kids were dealing with emotional or mental health issues, 1:25:33.760 --> 1:25:35.599 and then he ended up ripping them from their home 1:25:35.640 --> 1:25:38.479 while they're already like struggling in some sort of ways 1:25:38.880 --> 1:25:42.080 in the most critical years of their childhood and development. 1:25:42.800 --> 1:25:45.360 So Marsha Levick, she's was the legal director of the 1:25:45.439 --> 1:25:49.360 Juvenile Law Center, said the law was irrelevant in that courtroom. 1:25:49.600 --> 1:25:51.400 But how did this all start? You know, like how 1:25:51.439 --> 1:25:53.959 did they get the power? How did they get involved 1:25:54.000 --> 1:25:56.880 in these things? Was it someone's cousin like in the episode, No, 1:25:57.080 --> 1:26:00.640 it wasn't, okay, So these were just friends out So 1:26:01.000 --> 1:26:04.720 it started in June two thousand, like simple business proposition. 1:26:05.200 --> 1:26:07.800 And this is from the New York Times and this 1:26:08.000 --> 1:26:11.600 is all based on information from the indictment and forty interviews. 1:26:12.360 --> 1:26:13.640 So Robert J. 1:26:13.840 --> 1:26:17.720 Powell was a wealthy personal injury lawyer and a longtime 1:26:17.800 --> 1:26:21.120 friend with Judge Michael Conahan and he wanted to know 1:26:21.200 --> 1:26:23.400 if he could get a contract to build a private 1:26:23.640 --> 1:26:27.479 detention center. Yes, my Google docs changed it to dental center. 1:26:29.280 --> 1:26:33.080 So then Judge Siverrella thought that he could help with 1:26:33.280 --> 1:26:37.120 this plan. So the two judges met and they put 1:26:37.200 --> 1:26:40.599 this all together. So first Sivirella put Powell in touch 1:26:40.680 --> 1:26:43.120 with a developer who was also an old friend of 1:26:43.200 --> 1:26:47.120 his named Robert Miracle to start working on finding a site. 1:26:48.040 --> 1:26:51.439 So then January two thousand and two, Conaham then becomes 1:26:51.520 --> 1:26:55.519 the president judge, which gives him control of the courthouse budget, 1:26:56.160 --> 1:26:59.479 and so he signs a secret deal with Powell, agreeing 1:26:59.560 --> 1:27:02.479 that the would pay one point three million dollars an 1:27:02.560 --> 1:27:05.680 annual rent on top of the tens of millions the 1:27:05.760 --> 1:27:09.200 county and the state would pay to house the delinquent juveniles, 1:27:09.720 --> 1:27:12.479 and then got rid of the competition by closing down 1:27:12.560 --> 1:27:13.840 the county detention center. 1:27:14.040 --> 1:27:17.360 Wow, dia Ballacle long. 1:27:17.240 --> 1:27:18.880 I mean it took him years to get the plan 1:27:19.000 --> 1:27:22.080 in place, and like run for office and get these positions, get. 1:27:22.000 --> 1:27:24.479 Like they are Diabolla call. 1:27:24.800 --> 1:27:27.040 So they were paid to shut down, you know, the 1:27:27.120 --> 1:27:30.400 county center, and so the profits ones were the only 1:27:30.520 --> 1:27:33.200 options starting in two thousand and two. So then Judge 1:27:33.240 --> 1:27:35.799 Michael Conahan was the head of the county's court system 1:27:36.080 --> 1:27:38.200 also from two thousand and two to two thousand and six, 1:27:38.720 --> 1:27:40.840 so he had the power to close it all down. 1:27:41.000 --> 1:27:43.920 And in a separate review from state auditors, they found 1:27:43.960 --> 1:27:46.479 out that like, by the way they were able to 1:27:46.520 --> 1:27:49.200 shut down the old one was by overbilling the county 1:27:50.000 --> 1:27:52.439 and so then that county center fell behind on their 1:27:52.479 --> 1:27:56.000 bills and then they began getting like utilities shut off 1:27:56.080 --> 1:27:58.920 and stuff like that because they couldn't afford it because 1:27:59.400 --> 1:28:02.000 the government taking money from them to close them down. 1:28:03.240 --> 1:28:05.519 And then of course they also got money from the 1:28:05.560 --> 1:28:08.200 builder of the for profit centers as well as the 1:28:08.240 --> 1:28:11.160 co owner of the profit lockups as well. So the 1:28:11.280 --> 1:28:13.880 contractor was Robert Miracle, like I mentioned, and then the 1:28:13.960 --> 1:28:18.320 co owner and he's an attorney, was Robert Powell. And yeah, 1:28:18.920 --> 1:28:23.240 it's really it's really, it's really wild. So the judges 1:28:23.280 --> 1:28:25.360 were making so much cash that they had a hard 1:28:25.400 --> 1:28:27.880 time hiding it all. So in two thousand and four, 1:28:28.160 --> 1:28:30.639 Ding Ding Ding, like the episode, but they did it together. 1:28:31.080 --> 1:28:33.599 They bought a condo in Florida that cost seven hundred 1:28:33.600 --> 1:28:35.760 and eighty five thousand dollars, and that was to help 1:28:35.800 --> 1:28:40.280 conceal the payments, and they began disguising transactions as rent 1:28:40.400 --> 1:28:44.000 and other fees. The superintendent of the condo building set 1:28:44.040 --> 1:28:46.360 according to the New York Times and this was this 1:28:46.560 --> 1:28:46.960 is shade. 1:28:47.000 --> 1:28:47.640 I like love it. 1:28:48.479 --> 1:28:51.880 They were pretty average guys, average people with lots of money. 1:28:52.000 --> 1:28:54.439 And it's like, yeah, you average pieces of shit. Like 1:28:54.560 --> 1:28:57.479 even the superintendent can be like they're trash. They're not 1:28:57.560 --> 1:28:59.920 people that have money like this, something's weird. 1:29:00.280 --> 1:29:00.479 Yeah. 1:29:00.640 --> 1:29:02.040 And in front of the condo there was a fifty 1:29:02.080 --> 1:29:05.439 six foot yacht and that belongs to Powell and he 1:29:05.600 --> 1:29:07.519 was spending a lot of time outside the condo of 1:29:07.560 --> 1:29:09.360 the judges, which is like what are you doing? 1:29:09.760 --> 1:29:13.080 And get this. The boat was named Real Justice. R 1:29:13.240 --> 1:29:17.639 ee l. I'm about to fucking throw something across the room. Yeah, 1:29:17.920 --> 1:29:21.760 with your pun boat yacht name, you stupid piece of shit. Well, 1:29:21.800 --> 1:29:24.560 putting eight year olds in jail Real Justice ha ha. 1:29:25.400 --> 1:29:28.000 It's like Sandoval and Schwartz, just like in front of 1:29:28.040 --> 1:29:29.479 everyone's face. Oh my god. 1:29:30.439 --> 1:29:30.719 Wow. 1:29:31.680 --> 1:29:32.160 With the boat. 1:29:32.200 --> 1:29:34.080 Though, they had to renew the slip lease and he 1:29:34.200 --> 1:29:36.760 refused and there was a fight. So then like this 1:29:36.880 --> 1:29:39.320 is how petty and crazy these people are. So he 1:29:39.439 --> 1:29:41.720 set up a motion about the slip fight. But in 1:29:41.840 --> 1:29:44.280 Luzern County in Pennsylvania, I don't even know how you're 1:29:44.280 --> 1:29:46.400 allowed to do that, not in Florida. So then the 1:29:46.439 --> 1:29:49.640 marina's lawyer couldn't get to Pennsylvania in time with one 1:29:49.720 --> 1:29:53.280 day notice, and so then they lost the case of 1:29:53.439 --> 1:29:56.519 like the slip lease. You know, this is like how 1:29:56.560 --> 1:29:58.559 my mom says, you do one thing, you do everything 1:29:58.720 --> 1:30:01.120 like yeah, you they did to the children as the 1:30:01.160 --> 1:30:04.040 most egregious of it all, but also you know, pulling 1:30:04.600 --> 1:30:09.320 shit everywhere. So finally the Pennsylvania Supreme Court granted the 1:30:09.439 --> 1:30:13.599 requests from the Juvenile Law Center in Pennsylvania for extraordinary relief, 1:30:13.680 --> 1:30:17.200 and the US Attorney filed federal charges against both judges. 1:30:18.200 --> 1:30:20.280 So from two thousand and three to two thousand and eight, 1:30:20.400 --> 1:30:22.679 these guys altered the lives of all of these children. 1:30:23.320 --> 1:30:25.840 Over fifty percent of the children who appeared before this 1:30:26.000 --> 1:30:31.639 guy lacked legal representation, sixty percent were removed from their homes. 1:30:32.439 --> 1:30:36.080 Conahan and Severarella ended up reaching a plea agreement soon 1:30:36.280 --> 1:30:39.360 after arrest to serve more than seven years each, and 1:30:39.439 --> 1:30:42.640 the judge went, no, bitch, I'm rejecting this deal. Go 1:30:42.840 --> 1:30:47.200 fuck yourselves. So then they obviously they took away their 1:30:47.320 --> 1:30:50.400 guilty please. So in January two thousand and nine they 1:30:50.439 --> 1:30:53.160 were charged and then the pleas were rejected, and so 1:30:53.280 --> 1:30:56.080 then they walked back they're guilty, you know, please for 1:30:56.200 --> 1:30:58.720 the deal. And so September two thousand and nine they 1:30:58.720 --> 1:31:02.559 were hit with a forty eight count indictment. Conahan pled 1:31:02.600 --> 1:31:05.000 guilty and Civerrella went to court in a trial that 1:31:05.160 --> 1:31:08.559 ended in twenty eleven. He kept denying that him getting 1:31:08.640 --> 1:31:11.880 money had any effect on the rulings, but numbers don't lie. 1:31:12.400 --> 1:31:15.519 So the number of junoviniles that were sent off doubled 1:31:15.640 --> 1:31:18.240 right around when the plans and these things were built 1:31:18.280 --> 1:31:22.479 and everything happened. Miracle and Powell they pled guilty in 1:31:22.520 --> 1:31:25.599 their cases for failing to report a felony. I feel 1:31:25.640 --> 1:31:28.120 like they did more worse things, and I don't understand 1:31:28.120 --> 1:31:31.400 why this is it. Powell got an eighteen month sentence 1:31:31.479 --> 1:31:34.559 and Miracle got a one year sentence, and I'm pissed 1:31:35.240 --> 1:31:38.000 they didn't just fail to report. They gave money to judge, 1:31:38.040 --> 1:31:41.920 like they were doing illegal things not reporting to the judges, 1:31:41.960 --> 1:31:44.120 but they were getting kicked backs and close it like 1:31:44.200 --> 1:31:46.439 what in two thousand and nine, and all the youth 1:31:46.520 --> 1:31:48.240 that stood in front of him, they had all of 1:31:48.320 --> 1:31:51.680 their cases like dismissed and records expunged. 1:31:52.680 --> 1:31:54.000 So that is good news. 1:31:54.880 --> 1:31:57.920 The Juvenile Legal Center then partnered with some pro bono 1:31:58.080 --> 1:32:01.880 council and filed a federal class action lawsuit on behalf 1:32:01.920 --> 1:32:05.080 of the children and parents. So that was going after 1:32:05.160 --> 1:32:08.799 the judges, the private facilities, the co owners, developers, everyone, 1:32:09.439 --> 1:32:12.160 and those judges were ordered to pay more than two 1:32:12.280 --> 1:32:15.679 hundred million dollars. So it's one hundred and six million 1:32:15.720 --> 1:32:20.200 in compensatory damages and one hundred million in punitive damages 1:32:20.320 --> 1:32:22.320 to nearly three hundred people. Because it was only the 1:32:22.360 --> 1:32:24.760 people that got involved in the case. It wasn't just 1:32:24.960 --> 1:32:29.360 like all of the children unfortunately. But that settlement didn't 1:32:29.360 --> 1:32:30.960 happen till twenty twenty two. 1:32:31.280 --> 1:32:31.479 Wow. 1:32:32.000 --> 1:32:36.120 Yeah, Like the initial case was set forth like two 1:32:36.160 --> 1:32:37.760 thousand and nine when it could, but it did not 1:32:37.880 --> 1:32:39.160 settle till twenty twenty two. 1:32:39.400 --> 1:32:41.840 At that point, those kids are like in their mid 1:32:41.960 --> 1:32:43.759 twenties probably adults. 1:32:43.880 --> 1:32:46.320 Yeah, yeah, like they're going to see a small fraction 1:32:46.439 --> 1:32:46.920 of that money. 1:32:47.000 --> 1:32:51.680 But basically, the judge the calculations were every plaintif was 1:32:51.720 --> 1:32:53.719 going to get a base rate of one thousand dollars 1:32:53.800 --> 1:32:57.200 for each day of wrongful detention, and then an adjusted 1:32:57.240 --> 1:33:01.519 amount after that, like per case. Looking into it years prior, 1:33:01.680 --> 1:33:04.720 though sorry I'm bouncing a little bit, the builder and 1:33:04.840 --> 1:33:08.000 the owner of the private lockups already settled their cases 1:33:08.120 --> 1:33:12.559 and they did payouts totally about twenty five million. But sadly, 1:33:12.680 --> 1:33:15.160 as you can imagine, with all of this trauma, like 1:33:15.320 --> 1:33:19.320 a lot of those playtans sadly died since the lawsuit 1:33:19.400 --> 1:33:22.040 in Ow nine from overdoses and taking their own lives 1:33:22.120 --> 1:33:25.799 and like yeah, you know, being kidnapped, Like it's awful. 1:33:26.160 --> 1:33:27.320 They should be charged for murder. 1:33:27.960 --> 1:33:31.040 US District Judge Christopher Connor ruled on all of this 1:33:31.280 --> 1:33:34.599 after hearing from two hundred and eighty two people who 1:33:34.640 --> 1:33:36.600 were children that were fucked up by these guys, and 1:33:36.680 --> 1:33:40.759 then thirty two parents. Connor said to the AP in quotes, 1:33:40.880 --> 1:33:44.800 they recounted his harsh and arbitrary nature, his disdain for 1:33:44.960 --> 1:33:50.160 due process, his extraordinary abruptness, and his cavalier and boorish behavior. 1:33:50.240 --> 1:33:53.719 In the courtroom end quote, and I wrote cocky fuck. 1:33:54.280 --> 1:33:57.120 But like a lot of the lawyers and everyone involved 1:33:57.160 --> 1:33:58.800 in the case are like, yeah, the money, But it's 1:33:58.840 --> 1:34:03.000 also just like vindication too, you know, of all of this, 1:34:03.240 --> 1:34:06.280 and like the recognition something wrong happened is a victory. Also, 1:34:06.960 --> 1:34:09.519 Siverrella did write a letter to his former colleagues. I 1:34:09.560 --> 1:34:12.720 don't buy, I don't care, but this is according to 1:34:12.840 --> 1:34:15.360 NBC News, and in it he wrote, I have disgraced 1:34:15.400 --> 1:34:19.440 my judgeship. My actions have destroyed everything I worked to accomplish, 1:34:19.520 --> 1:34:21.720 and I have only myself to blame. And it's like, well, 1:34:21.760 --> 1:34:24.439 what did you work to accomplish? Actually, yeah, because it 1:34:24.479 --> 1:34:27.240 seems like to jail children. So I'm a little confused, 1:34:28.120 --> 1:34:30.280 And yeah, you have no heart and I hope you die. 1:34:30.439 --> 1:34:34.080 So Citronella is old and he's serving a twenty eight 1:34:34.160 --> 1:34:37.680 year prison sentence in Kentucky with a projected release of 1:34:37.760 --> 1:34:40.599 twenty thirty five. And I feel like there's no better 1:34:40.680 --> 1:34:43.439 punishment than a twenty eight year sentence for this man. Yeah, 1:34:44.400 --> 1:34:47.600 sit in jail, you fuck. I've never been so satisfied 1:34:47.640 --> 1:34:50.559 with a ruling, like, you know, Yeah, there's so many 1:34:50.680 --> 1:34:53.040 complicated beliefs but this guy who sent all of these 1:34:53.120 --> 1:34:57.160 young children to like rod Away, like, yes, sit in jail. 1:34:58.000 --> 1:34:58.520 Conahan. 1:34:58.920 --> 1:35:01.719 He's old and he got more than seventeen years in prison, 1:35:02.280 --> 1:35:04.960 but in twenty twenty he was released to home confinement 1:35:05.120 --> 1:35:07.639 with six years left on his sentence because of COVID. 1:35:08.479 --> 1:35:11.679 He was high risk. I don't care about him, but yeah, 1:35:11.800 --> 1:35:17.040 he had some issues. He had hard issues and Ghoul 1:35:17.120 --> 1:35:20.639 and Bear do you know this, Jullian Bear, Julian Bear. 1:35:20.800 --> 1:35:22.519 I feel like I've heard this. It's when your immune 1:35:22.560 --> 1:35:26.160 system attacks your nerves or something like that. But he 1:35:26.200 --> 1:35:27.720 had high blood pressure, he had a lot of like 1:35:27.800 --> 1:35:29.960 the things. But I also don't trust him, and I knew, 1:35:30.280 --> 1:35:31.680 I bet he knew how to play the courts. But 1:35:32.200 --> 1:35:35.240 he is still in home lock up. He's due for 1:35:35.320 --> 1:35:39.000 full release in twenty twenty six. But I wrote, why 1:35:39.040 --> 1:35:42.479 give him consideration like being high risk and giving him care? 1:35:42.920 --> 1:35:45.360 We should give him the same care and attention that 1:35:45.439 --> 1:35:46.839 he gave the children he sentenced. 1:35:47.120 --> 1:35:48.400 Yeah, you know what I mean. 1:35:48.520 --> 1:35:50.840 It's the ever after punishment. I don't know if you 1:35:50.880 --> 1:35:53.639 remember the Drew Barrymore Angelica Houston moment. 1:35:53.840 --> 1:35:56.679 And no I don't, but I've never seen that you've 1:35:56.720 --> 1:36:01.120 never seen ever after. No, it's so good care. 1:36:01.680 --> 1:36:04.360 And that's wild because I'm a huge I'm a huge 1:36:04.400 --> 1:36:05.639 Angelica Houston fan. 1:36:06.240 --> 1:36:09.680 She's so evil and good and that the costumes are insane. 1:36:10.040 --> 1:36:13.360 Leonardo da Vinci is a character wildly like just the 1:36:13.479 --> 1:36:18.040 guy Drew Barrymore's friends with, but also are Queen Melanie Lynsky, 1:36:18.520 --> 1:36:19.160 Oh my god. 1:36:19.240 --> 1:36:20.880 But it's you know, it's a play on Cinderella. I'm 1:36:20.920 --> 1:36:21.320 sure you know that. 1:36:21.479 --> 1:36:24.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, So basically like at the end, you 1:36:24.120 --> 1:36:27.519 know Cinderella, Drew Berymore gets the Prince, everything's great, but 1:36:27.600 --> 1:36:29.880 then they bring the mom and the sisters. Well not 1:36:30.120 --> 1:36:32.559 Melanie Lynsky's the good sister, she gets to like hang 1:36:32.600 --> 1:36:36.879 out with Drew Barrymore but the evil one and Angelica 1:36:36.960 --> 1:36:39.200 Houston there in front of the King and Queen at 1:36:39.240 --> 1:36:41.800 the end, and the King and Queen are like, you 1:36:41.920 --> 1:36:44.439 are gonna be sent off to the Americas, which I 1:36:44.479 --> 1:36:47.120 guess was a huge punishment in this time, like you're 1:36:47.160 --> 1:36:50.800 gonna be sent forth to whatever across the ocean, and 1:36:50.920 --> 1:36:55.120 Drew Barrymore interjects and goes, no, they can stay here, 1:36:55.320 --> 1:36:57.679 and I'm gonna give my mom and sister the same 1:36:57.920 --> 1:37:00.960 care and treatment that they gave me, and then you 1:37:01.040 --> 1:37:04.160 see the full panic on their faces and then it 1:37:04.240 --> 1:37:06.600 cuts to them like doing laundry and falling in the 1:37:06.680 --> 1:37:08.639 water and the nuns being like you dumb. 1:37:08.520 --> 1:37:09.360 Bitches, you know. 1:37:11.800 --> 1:37:13.920 Yeah, and it's just like cool because Drew Bermer still 1:37:13.960 --> 1:37:16.800 gets to be like, yeah, just treat you in the loving, 1:37:16.960 --> 1:37:21.920 amazing way that you treated me, and yeah, so fuck 1:37:22.000 --> 1:37:24.240 this guy when she died of COVID in the jail, okay, 1:37:25.320 --> 1:37:27.720 and the New York Time piece like that. I read 1:37:27.840 --> 1:37:29.600 one of the pieces I read, and this is like 1:37:30.040 --> 1:37:33.400 we are a country addicted to incarceration. That is what 1:37:33.520 --> 1:37:36.280 the New York Times kind of concluded with, even like 1:37:36.439 --> 1:37:39.639 celebrating these types of jet like ah, he's a strip, Yeah, 1:37:39.680 --> 1:37:43.240 get him out of here, Like that's not yeah, we're 1:37:43.360 --> 1:37:46.439 obsessed with incarceration, but that's probably Like I do want 1:37:46.479 --> 1:37:49.320 to know if we were obsessed with incarceration prior to 1:37:49.600 --> 1:37:53.920 like private prisons and capitalisms. But also like modern day 1:37:53.960 --> 1:37:57.160 policing started as like slave catching yea, so maybe it 1:37:57.280 --> 1:38:00.720 was always about like keeping of people in there and 1:38:00.800 --> 1:38:02.880 getting free labor because of one of the amendments, you 1:38:02.960 --> 1:38:06.440 know whatever, there's like a documentary about it on Netflix. 1:38:06.640 --> 1:38:09.360 But I wonder when that switch happened or like what 1:38:09.600 --> 1:38:12.800 if it was always this way or what? I don't know, 1:38:12.960 --> 1:38:15.960 and when the private citization happened of prisons. 1:38:16.479 --> 1:38:17.040 There's just like. 1:38:17.200 --> 1:38:21.679 Needs to be oversight as well for these like judges, 1:38:21.920 --> 1:38:24.600 for people that are in power, Like nobody should have 1:38:24.760 --> 1:38:27.320 any carte blanche. Like no one's gonna let a surgeon 1:38:27.439 --> 1:38:29.439 just keep killing people, you know what I mean, Like 1:38:29.520 --> 1:38:31.960 there's going to be a review board that's like, what's up, dude, 1:38:32.040 --> 1:38:34.479 You've been killing a lot of people, you know. I 1:38:34.520 --> 1:38:37.160 mean that's kind of what happened in one season of 1:38:37.200 --> 1:38:40.439 Doctor Death. But like, you know, these I don't know. 1:38:40.600 --> 1:38:42.160 It's like the way that they went in in the 1:38:42.200 --> 1:38:44.200 episode to look at the stats, it's like, let's keep 1:38:44.200 --> 1:38:46.280 an eye on the fucking stats to make sure that 1:38:46.439 --> 1:38:50.560 judges aren't taking kickbacks and fully corrupt assholes. Yeah, that 1:38:50.640 --> 1:38:53.280 doesn't seem like that hard of a job. Just it's 1:38:53.280 --> 1:38:57.920 all computerized people's stats. But fuck, I'm glad this guy's 1:38:58.000 --> 1:39:00.040 rotting in jail still, I know, I kind of I 1:39:00.160 --> 1:39:01.439 want to go visit him. Do you want to go 1:39:01.439 --> 1:39:02.000 to Kentucky? 1:39:02.320 --> 1:39:02.559 Yeah? 1:39:02.960 --> 1:39:05.360 Road Track I wonder if they could take random visitors, 1:39:05.400 --> 1:39:08.120 because I'm sure they're lonely, Like I'm sure they would 1:39:08.120 --> 1:39:10.160 want to meet us if we showed up, like even 1:39:10.200 --> 1:39:11.840 if we were mean and we just said fuck you, 1:39:12.040 --> 1:39:14.799 we hate you and left, and they're like put. 1:39:14.720 --> 1:39:18.200 Five dollars in my commissary at least, like before we leave. 1:39:18.360 --> 1:39:20.320 I mean to like take a girl, lock her up 1:39:20.320 --> 1:39:22.280 for something she probably didn't do anything bad for it, 1:39:22.360 --> 1:39:25.000 and then taking her dead dad's social Security checks to 1:39:25.120 --> 1:39:28.800 guard Like what the fuck are you doing? It's not 1:39:28.960 --> 1:39:31.120 even real, and like we have a because I remember 1:39:31.160 --> 1:39:32.280 I was at the stage and I was talking about 1:39:32.280 --> 1:39:34.240 how like I probably talked about it on this podcast. 1:39:34.320 --> 1:39:37.960 But in Finland, the nice hotel we stayed at was 1:39:38.360 --> 1:39:41.719 uh an old jail, and it had a jail theme 1:39:42.720 --> 1:39:44.920 and people are like eugh, and it's like yeah, but 1:39:44.960 --> 1:39:48.599 I don't think all countries have the same relationship with jail. Ah, 1:39:49.160 --> 1:39:51.320 Like if you look at a jail in one of 1:39:51.320 --> 1:39:53.760 the Nordic countries, it's like, looks nice. 1:39:53.760 --> 1:39:56.960 They don't look like the ones here. No, no, So 1:39:57.360 --> 1:39:59.560 I don't know. We are addicted to incarceration. 1:40:00.200 --> 1:40:04.720 So many people are imprisoned, and I wish people got 1:40:04.760 --> 1:40:07.639 to go to school more. And I just don't understand 1:40:07.720 --> 1:40:10.080 how the neighborhood you live in, those taxes go to 1:40:10.120 --> 1:40:12.040 your school, so if you're poor, you get a bad school. 1:40:12.080 --> 1:40:14.800 Sorry, that's the way it is, Like I don't get that. Yeah, 1:40:15.600 --> 1:40:16.639 like how did that start? 1:40:16.840 --> 1:40:19.320 Like how like that must have been a race thing, 1:40:19.520 --> 1:40:21.080 because that's the end of the day, that's the whole 1:40:21.080 --> 1:40:23.560 thing with our country. It's like we would rather have 1:40:23.920 --> 1:40:27.200 like make black people get nothing then improve white people's lives. 1:40:27.320 --> 1:40:30.120 It's like, you know, like education used to be affordable 1:40:30.600 --> 1:40:32.880 and then so many black people were going to college 1:40:32.960 --> 1:40:36.120 that Reagan then made it expensive to keep black people 1:40:36.240 --> 1:40:36.920 out of college. 1:40:37.000 --> 1:40:38.840 But it's like, okay, well now everyone care. 1:40:38.960 --> 1:40:41.200 Like that's what I mean, Like as like right wing 1:40:41.360 --> 1:40:44.519 white people are they would rather keep their lives terrible 1:40:44.600 --> 1:40:48.479 than have a black person has Like okay, yeah, yeah, 1:40:48.800 --> 1:40:52.960 I'm sure it sounded crazy, but like I keep reading 1:40:53.080 --> 1:40:55.800 more and more stuff about that, but it's like they 1:40:55.840 --> 1:40:58.800 would rather punish black people than improve their lives in 1:40:58.840 --> 1:41:02.400 any way. Yes, yes, I hear that, And that's how 1:41:02.479 --> 1:41:05.400 I feel in terms of schools, Like how did that 1:41:05.520 --> 1:41:08.519 even start? The amount of taxes you pay, and that 1:41:08.840 --> 1:41:10.880 means your kids can't have books. Like It's like, what 1:41:12.040 --> 1:41:14.519 like that must have been. I wonder because I'm thinking 1:41:14.520 --> 1:41:16.360 about redlining and all of that, and I'm just like, 1:41:16.479 --> 1:41:18.639 I wonder how it started that, like poor people can't 1:41:18.880 --> 1:41:20.280 and they want poor people dumb. 1:41:20.240 --> 1:41:23.799 Like to pay taxes based on your income. So obviously 1:41:23.960 --> 1:41:27.120 Richard towns have better schools. And yeah, I don't know 1:41:27.479 --> 1:41:31.440 when that all started. We're about to improve our listeners' 1:41:31.479 --> 1:41:35.200 lives with an amazing guest that I think is really 1:41:35.400 --> 1:41:36.719 really make you guys happy. 1:41:36.920 --> 1:41:38.559 So don't go anywhere. 1:41:38.720 --> 1:41:41.080 This is an all time legendary episode, I would say 1:41:41.240 --> 1:41:41.679 all time. 1:41:49.200 --> 1:41:52.400 Oh my gosh, today's guest. We are so excited. This 1:41:52.479 --> 1:41:55.160 has been a long time in the making. You might 1:41:55.320 --> 1:41:59.080 know him as Mickey Milkovich on Showtime Shameless, or maybe 1:41:59.120 --> 1:42:02.080 even as Michael Lane in the film Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, 1:42:02.560 --> 1:42:05.920 but we know him as the CSU tech that you 1:42:06.160 --> 1:42:10.360 love to hate, Dale Stucky. Please enjoy our chat with 1:42:10.479 --> 1:42:12.200 the one and only nol Fisher. 1:42:13.160 --> 1:42:16.960 Oh my god, Stucky, Oh my gosh, so great to 1:42:17.160 --> 1:42:19.840 meet you. I can't believe we finally are talking to you. 1:42:20.000 --> 1:42:20.880 This is so great. 1:42:21.120 --> 1:42:22.559 We did it too. 1:42:22.720 --> 1:42:23.920 So I'm Kara. 1:42:24.120 --> 1:42:27.120 I'm friends with Clint and Tony who you know sing 1:42:27.160 --> 1:42:31.160 your praises, And my husband and my son were just 1:42:31.240 --> 1:42:35.439 at little Cash's birthday party last weekend and apparently it 1:42:35.520 --> 1:42:37.040 was a real rager out of my gym. 1:42:37.800 --> 1:42:40.760 We have no mutuals. But I'm a shameless girl. So 1:42:41.600 --> 1:42:48.120 I've been following you enough. Yeah, I mean, what's so wild? No, Like, 1:42:48.280 --> 1:42:51.280 are you familiar with the fury and attention your character 1:42:51.800 --> 1:42:53.280 has in the SVU fandom? 1:42:53.680 --> 1:42:55.760 Not a lot, A little bit. I know that he was. 1:42:55.920 --> 1:42:58.160 While I was doing it, I was like, this dude's annoying. 1:42:58.320 --> 1:43:01.600 This guy's very annoying. So, you know, I feel like 1:43:01.720 --> 1:43:04.280 I feel like if people were annoyed, maybe I did 1:43:04.320 --> 1:43:04.680 my job. 1:43:05.400 --> 1:43:08.680 Yeah, yeah, I know you you didn't nail it. Were 1:43:08.720 --> 1:43:10.360 you a killer the whole time? Or did you have 1:43:10.439 --> 1:43:11.160 a mental break? 1:43:11.479 --> 1:43:13.040 I don't know, it's hard to say, you know, Like 1:43:13.160 --> 1:43:15.360 it's that joker thing, right, it takes one bad day 1:43:15.479 --> 1:43:17.360 or something like that. I think he seemed like a 1:43:17.400 --> 1:43:20.519 guy who was pretty unstable to begin with, you know 1:43:20.560 --> 1:43:22.280 what I mean. Likes there's a lot of a lot 1:43:22.320 --> 1:43:25.320 of the early scenes where he's the way he speaks 1:43:25.439 --> 1:43:28.320 so casually about dead bodies and murdered people and stuff. 1:43:28.439 --> 1:43:30.040 Is it's just sort of like it's a red flag, 1:43:30.160 --> 1:43:30.320 you know. 1:43:30.320 --> 1:43:32.920 What I mean, it's just a concerning Yeah, there's some 1:43:33.040 --> 1:43:35.680 parts where he's smart, but he just has like no 1:43:35.880 --> 1:43:38.840 emotional intelligence at all. It feels I don't even know 1:43:38.920 --> 1:43:40.600 how this worked out because I don't know where you 1:43:40.680 --> 1:43:43.080 were in your career when you got this part. But like, 1:43:43.520 --> 1:43:45.280 did they tell you this is going to be like 1:43:45.360 --> 1:43:47.560 a for a recurring or was it like one and 1:43:47.640 --> 1:43:49.360 then they just liked you and kept bringing it back? 1:43:49.439 --> 1:43:50.240 Like how did this work? 1:43:50.360 --> 1:43:52.680 Like go, it was a recurring from the start, I 1:43:52.720 --> 1:43:54.759 didn't know where the recurring was going to end, Okay, 1:43:54.920 --> 1:43:57.080 So I entered it just being like, okay, well I 1:43:57.120 --> 1:43:58.960 don't I don't know quite where he's where he's going 1:43:59.040 --> 1:44:01.360 to land. But yeah, they said it was an interesting arc. 1:44:01.640 --> 1:44:02.320 And it was. 1:44:02.720 --> 1:44:05.280 It was I think nine I want to say, oh yeah, yeah, 1:44:05.360 --> 1:44:07.760 nine something around there. I mean, I grew up was 1:44:07.800 --> 1:44:09.560 born in eighty four, so I'm like right in that 1:44:09.760 --> 1:44:12.559 in the heart of like the original Law and Order, 1:44:12.720 --> 1:44:15.400 like you know, when it was like just huge. I 1:44:15.479 --> 1:44:17.200 grew up watching it. I was a big fan of it, 1:44:17.320 --> 1:44:20.120 and uh, and then it was you know, not early 1:44:20.240 --> 1:44:21.760 on in my career, but it was definitely one of 1:44:21.800 --> 1:44:23.240 those things like, oh, I get to go and like 1:44:23.800 --> 1:44:26.320 I'm gonna go doing a law and order you know thing. 1:44:26.520 --> 1:44:28.640 And from there just kind of went more and more 1:44:28.680 --> 1:44:30.280 into kind of crazy feld because I got to like 1:44:30.640 --> 1:44:32.439 murder people and you know, all that fun stuff. 1:44:32.680 --> 1:44:34.599 I mean, to be a fan of law and Order 1:44:34.640 --> 1:44:37.439 and get that kind of an arc is wild. 1:44:37.640 --> 1:44:38.080 It was a lot. 1:44:38.320 --> 1:44:40.160 You get to be on the law enforcement, you get 1:44:40.200 --> 1:44:42.400 to be with the detectives, and then you get to 1:44:43.880 --> 1:44:47.800 really go wild and make and make out with Benson. 1:44:49.280 --> 1:44:54.040 That that said kisses are weird. I like that scene 1:44:54.240 --> 1:44:56.680 was so big. It's such a big scene, right, Like 1:44:56.760 --> 1:44:59.400 there's so much and we probably spent four hours or 1:44:59.479 --> 1:45:01.600 more like just recording all the different pieces of it. 1:45:02.360 --> 1:45:05.559 And you know, I'm in the my characters stuck. He's 1:45:05.640 --> 1:45:08.200 in the middle of a breakdown. Is he is off 1:45:08.240 --> 1:45:10.760 the plot? Right, He's lost the plots. He's all the 1:45:10.800 --> 1:45:13.759 way out in wherever he is, and I'm keeping myself 1:45:14.000 --> 1:45:18.360 amped up and like, you know, the scenes, he's screaming, 1:45:18.600 --> 1:45:20.760 he's like kind of slightly crying, He's like doing all 1:45:20.800 --> 1:45:22.679 this stuff, and so when it came time for that point, 1:45:22.760 --> 1:45:25.439 I was just like, man, i am just so freaking 1:45:25.560 --> 1:45:29.160 wet right now. I'm way too moist, Like I'm sweaty 1:45:29.320 --> 1:45:33.360 and like my tears falling down my cheeks. I'm just like, 1:45:33.479 --> 1:45:36.280 this is I feel bad for Mariska here because this 1:45:36.400 --> 1:45:37.880 is just not this is not going to be good. 1:45:37.880 --> 1:45:38.800 I gotta be less moist. 1:45:39.400 --> 1:45:41.640 I think she's only kissed like five people in the 1:45:41.760 --> 1:45:44.240 history of the show. Like, she does not kiss people. 1:45:44.600 --> 1:45:47.000 Even there's like people that she has relationships with where 1:45:47.000 --> 1:45:50.640 there's like forehead kisses and like hugs and like she 1:45:50.680 --> 1:45:52.040 doesn't do a ton of making out. 1:45:52.200 --> 1:45:55.200 So she really you really got you know, saved it 1:45:55.280 --> 1:45:56.760 up for the psychopath, you know what I mean, Like 1:45:56.880 --> 1:45:58.519 that's who you want to that's who you want to 1:45:58.680 --> 1:45:59.599 be making. 1:45:59.479 --> 1:46:01.879 Out of it and to beat the shit out of Stabler. 1:46:02.040 --> 1:46:05.680 I mean, so we have a running thing between us. 1:46:06.080 --> 1:46:08.920 How Benson realizes because you go, oh, me and Stabler 1:46:08.920 --> 1:46:11.640 are having sushi, and she knows that would never be 1:46:11.800 --> 1:46:12.200 the case. 1:46:12.680 --> 1:46:14.080 What is your sushi? 1:46:15.000 --> 1:46:19.000 Like if someone says, like if someone was like, hey, 1:46:19.200 --> 1:46:21.759 I'm with Noel doing this they were like, oh, he's kidnapped, 1:46:21.760 --> 1:46:22.840 we have to call nine one one. 1:46:22.960 --> 1:46:26.559 Oh, like you'd never be doing it. There's no way 1:46:26.640 --> 1:46:29.400 this is him. He is kidnapped. He would never say this. 1:46:30.160 --> 1:46:31.920 Like for me, it's like, I don't drink coffee. 1:46:32.280 --> 1:46:34.400 So if somebody called Lisa was like, oh, Kara's just 1:46:34.479 --> 1:46:36.360 out grabbing a coffee, she'd be like she's dead. 1:46:36.400 --> 1:46:38.000 I would know. You know something's happening. 1:46:38.439 --> 1:46:40.880 How do you how do you operate? I don't have 1:46:41.000 --> 1:46:43.080 that at all. I don't understand that at all. My 1:46:43.400 --> 1:46:44.519 whole life is wrong. Caffee. 1:46:44.680 --> 1:46:46.519 She likes full fat coke, that's her thing. 1:46:46.680 --> 1:46:49.200 Yeah, if I need a burst, if I need it, 1:46:49.760 --> 1:46:52.000 if I'm really dragging, I'll do a full fat coke. 1:46:52.080 --> 1:46:54.599 You want that, You want that sugar, that sugar hit nice. 1:46:55.200 --> 1:46:55.920 She is lying. 1:46:56.520 --> 1:46:59.640 It's not only when it's dire. She does want it. 1:46:59.800 --> 1:47:01.800 You don't have to force it. Oh yeah, but I'm trying. 1:47:01.880 --> 1:47:03.400 I'm actually trying to quit it this year. 1:47:04.040 --> 1:47:06.400 Really do twenty twenty four. No more coke? 1:47:06.560 --> 1:47:08.960 Yeah, no more cokes for me. Look, it's too much. 1:47:09.000 --> 1:47:10.720 I'm just having them whatever I want now. It used 1:47:10.760 --> 1:47:11.679 to just be for a jolt. 1:47:11.880 --> 1:47:13.839 Yeah, I had to put a stop to it anyway, 1:47:14.000 --> 1:47:15.719 So what is yours? What is yours? 1:47:15.840 --> 1:47:18.720 Like someone your wife calls and they go, Noel's doing this, 1:47:19.000 --> 1:47:21.120 and she's like, this isn't right, you know. 1:47:21.360 --> 1:47:23.599 Like you know, the first thing that comes to mind 1:47:23.720 --> 1:47:29.639 is probably like watching any sporting event. Oh yeah, someone 1:47:29.800 --> 1:47:33.400 was like, Noel's I'm with Noel. We're watching the Super Bowls. 1:47:33.479 --> 1:47:36.680 Be like is he tied up? Like what's what's going on? 1:47:36.960 --> 1:47:39.400 What's happening. Not that I don't like sports. I like sports, 1:47:39.439 --> 1:47:41.080 I just don't like watching them very much. I don't. 1:47:41.120 --> 1:47:42.360 I don't. I don't really understand it. 1:47:43.320 --> 1:47:43.760 I'm with you. 1:47:43.960 --> 1:47:45.960 I that would actually probably be one of mine too, 1:47:46.080 --> 1:47:48.759 Like Kara's just watching a hockey game, like I'm dead. 1:47:48.800 --> 1:47:53.760 Yeah, playing them playing football hockey great, but watching Yeah, but. 1:47:53.840 --> 1:47:54.760 You like a good time. 1:47:54.800 --> 1:47:56.559 I feel like if there was a gathering and someone 1:47:56.680 --> 1:47:59.439 was like, she's at the hockey party, I'd be like, okay, yeah, 1:47:59.439 --> 1:48:00.080 if there's a part. 1:48:00.840 --> 1:48:03.080 Yes, yes, if there is. Yeah. It would more just 1:48:03.160 --> 1:48:05.320 be like if if me and a lone friend, you know, 1:48:05.400 --> 1:48:08.200 if someone called my lone friend and you know, you 1:48:08.280 --> 1:48:10.400 were trying to suss out if I was kidnapped, they. 1:48:10.360 --> 1:48:14.000 Probably get yeah, yeah, it would be. I have a 1:48:14.120 --> 1:48:18.320 question and it is was bing bang Bong in the 1:48:18.400 --> 1:48:20.160 script or did you improvise that? 1:48:20.680 --> 1:48:23.280 No, that was in the script. That was in the script. 1:48:23.640 --> 1:48:26.719 That's yeah. That was the first flag, like, oh he's irritating. Okay, 1:48:26.760 --> 1:48:27.880 he's going to be this guy all right? 1:48:27.960 --> 1:48:28.559 Cool? Cool. 1:48:29.640 --> 1:48:32.560 If we ever post about you or anything or like 1:48:32.720 --> 1:48:35.120 do any like or talk about you, people always write. 1:48:34.920 --> 1:48:36.720 Bing bang bong in the comments. It's like a very 1:48:36.800 --> 1:48:38.479 big it's a very big couchphrase for you. 1:48:39.080 --> 1:48:41.680 Well, and then you are very beloved because we did 1:48:41.920 --> 1:48:45.000 make when we first started a fun meme with Stucky 1:48:45.680 --> 1:48:48.920 and then people are like Stucky and then people go, 1:48:49.360 --> 1:48:52.400 he is so talented, Nola is an incredible actor. How 1:48:53.880 --> 1:48:57.400 people really come into and we're like, yeah, we know 1:48:57.680 --> 1:48:59.960 they can separate you from the Stucky. 1:49:00.400 --> 1:49:03.280 Yes, yeah, yeah yeah, well again, if my goal is 1:49:03.320 --> 1:49:06.120 to irritate done, yeah yeah, I know. 1:49:06.360 --> 1:49:10.040 It all high energy, like no sympathy or empathy for 1:49:10.120 --> 1:49:13.599 the people. Yeah, it's a real wild and shady. 1:49:13.920 --> 1:49:15.519 I was just gonna say, anybody you know in real 1:49:15.560 --> 1:49:17.559 life that you kind of drew from to do your 1:49:17.800 --> 1:49:20.400 like little Stucky annoyances and mannerisms you got like a 1:49:20.520 --> 1:49:22.599 cousin that's got a stucky vibe or anything. 1:49:22.760 --> 1:49:25.320 No, not really, No, it was more just like the 1:49:25.400 --> 1:49:27.560 writing of the character was really he's very much on 1:49:27.680 --> 1:49:29.960 the page, like he's very kind of when you're reading, 1:49:30.040 --> 1:49:31.560 you're kind of like, oh, okay, this is just like 1:49:32.080 --> 1:49:35.240 overly enthusiastic, kind of like new guy. But then when 1:49:35.240 --> 1:49:37.520 you put that into the context like not even necessarily 1:49:37.760 --> 1:49:39.600 super creepy, but you put it in the context of 1:49:40.320 --> 1:49:42.800 detective work in New York or you know what I mean, 1:49:42.960 --> 1:49:45.280 it just becomes way more kind of like you shouldn't 1:49:45.320 --> 1:49:47.640 be this casual about that, Like you know what I mean, 1:49:47.800 --> 1:49:49.160 Like it's sort of like, yeah, I get that you're 1:49:49.200 --> 1:49:51.040 eager and that kind of thing, but like it's it's 1:49:51.160 --> 1:49:54.000 just not there's a there's a there's a concerning lack 1:49:54.040 --> 1:49:55.120 of social awareness there. 1:49:55.320 --> 1:49:58.360 You're going to like this episode Crush, he's looking at 1:49:58.360 --> 1:50:00.120 a picture of like a fifteen year old. 1:50:00.160 --> 1:50:03.519 A girl and he's like she's smoking hot, Like I don't. 1:50:03.320 --> 1:50:06.080 Even really, I didn't even remember that. Oh yeah, man, 1:50:06.240 --> 1:50:08.360 red flags all over for this guy. 1:50:08.640 --> 1:50:12.080 Well, because Kragan's usually chill. Dan Floriic and he even 1:50:12.160 --> 1:50:13.960 got in your face. I feel like he shoves you 1:50:14.080 --> 1:50:15.880 in Zebra's or something where he's like get. 1:50:15.760 --> 1:50:16.240 Out of here. 1:50:16.640 --> 1:50:19.519 Yeah, yeah, he or I was welcome pretty quickly, you know. 1:50:20.360 --> 1:50:23.559 But also your episodes are so iconic, like such cool 1:50:23.640 --> 1:50:27.679 guest stars Hillary Duff, you got Carol Burnett, Judith Lee, 1:50:27.760 --> 1:50:29.919 like so many cool actors. 1:50:30.280 --> 1:50:34.280 Yeah. I actually I was listening to the I don't 1:50:34.320 --> 1:50:36.000 know if you've released it yet or not, but the 1:50:36.040 --> 1:50:39.320 Matthew Lillard interview did oh we had Oh yeah, that 1:50:39.439 --> 1:50:41.519 was so funny because I was, again eighty four. I 1:50:41.640 --> 1:50:44.559 was again like my teen years were right when Scream 1:50:44.680 --> 1:50:46.240 kind of came out and all that. That was like 1:50:46.320 --> 1:50:48.040 a big kind of I was part of that. Oh man, 1:50:48.080 --> 1:50:50.599 this movie is so cool and he was so good 1:50:50.640 --> 1:50:52.880 at it. And I remember going to One of my 1:50:52.960 --> 1:50:56.200 first memories of doing the SVU episodes was going to 1:50:56.479 --> 1:50:59.439 I think I met the director, the writer, or maybe 1:50:59.479 --> 1:51:01.280 the actors. They took me to one of the sets 1:51:01.680 --> 1:51:04.120 and it was like this nice apartment somewhere in Manhattan, 1:51:04.240 --> 1:51:07.600 and I remember walking in and you know, it's a 1:51:08.080 --> 1:51:10.000 they're on a break or whatever, and I just remember, like, 1:51:10.040 --> 1:51:12.000 Matthew Lillard is like sitting on the floor in the 1:51:12.120 --> 1:51:14.479 kitchen like in between scenes, and like you know, it 1:51:14.600 --> 1:51:16.599 was just like a weird, surreal kind of like oh 1:51:16.720 --> 1:51:20.120 that's oh man, there's Matthew Lillard. That's really cool. He 1:51:20.280 --> 1:51:21.559 was very friendly and it was great. 1:51:22.200 --> 1:51:24.559 That's awesome. And Hillary Duff. 1:51:24.680 --> 1:51:26.519 I think that was your first episode, right, is that 1:51:26.640 --> 1:51:28.880 the first Valerie selfish? 1:51:29.080 --> 1:51:31.160 Oh? Vallerin is the first one where we meet Stucky. 1:51:31.360 --> 1:51:33.240 I think it's because he goes in he's like, this happened, 1:51:33.240 --> 1:51:35.479 this happened, this happened, and this happened. And then they're like, 1:51:35.720 --> 1:51:38.280 well actually or maybe now. 1:51:38.760 --> 1:51:42.880 The window the windows? Is that the window scene? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:51:43.160 --> 1:51:45.320 I don't actually know that I met Hillary Duff. 1:51:45.439 --> 1:51:46.120 Oh too bad. 1:51:46.320 --> 1:51:47.560 No, I must have. I must have. 1:51:48.200 --> 1:51:50.080 The Hillary Duff one is when like you're digging for 1:51:50.160 --> 1:51:52.360 a baby and then you're just like you just are 1:51:52.439 --> 1:51:56.280 like I think I got something lacking. This is more 1:51:56.360 --> 1:51:57.519 archaeological stuck. 1:51:58.479 --> 1:52:01.599 Yeah yeah, yeah, he's come away from the tr X bones. 1:52:01.640 --> 1:52:01.760 Man. 1:52:01.800 --> 1:52:04.280 That guy just no chill. 1:52:05.280 --> 1:52:08.200 So Matthew Lillard was nice. You guys had some moments. 1:52:08.360 --> 1:52:09.680 He was great. I mean it was really it was 1:52:09.680 --> 1:52:11.840 a quick, little interaction. But I just remember he was 1:52:11.960 --> 1:52:14.200 very very kind and very kind of like, you know, 1:52:15.200 --> 1:52:18.760 his sort of enthusiastic self, you know, from from what 1:52:18.840 --> 1:52:20.720 I could tell, Scream is so good. 1:52:21.240 --> 1:52:23.200 That was that was exciting. 1:52:23.560 --> 1:52:25.800 Now you're in a lot of fandoms like s View 1:52:25.880 --> 1:52:30.280 is Shameless such a strong group? Twilight Final Destination? What 1:52:30.400 --> 1:52:34.360 are people coming? Can you tell what people are when 1:52:34.400 --> 1:52:36.519 they come up to you? Are you getting recognized? Has 1:52:36.600 --> 1:52:38.760 anyone that yelled at you for being stucky on the 1:52:38.800 --> 1:52:40.799 street or is it mostly shameless? 1:52:40.880 --> 1:52:44.200 Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, it's because I've done I've 1:52:44.240 --> 1:52:46.360 done some other stuff in New York. I did both 1:52:46.439 --> 1:52:48.560 of the the not the most recent Turtle movie, but 1:52:48.680 --> 1:52:51.439 the motion Capture and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle movies. I 1:52:51.520 --> 1:52:53.200 was one of the Turtles, and so I like got 1:52:53.240 --> 1:52:55.519 to spend a lot of time in New York over 1:52:55.600 --> 1:52:58.160 two different summers, which was awesome. But yeah, I got 1:52:58.240 --> 1:52:59.840 a lot of like going into Cobye shops, I'd get 1:52:59.840 --> 1:53:04.880 a like hey, bing bang bom, like like oh yeah, 1:53:04.920 --> 1:53:07.360 yeah cool. But for the most part, for the most 1:53:07.360 --> 1:53:09.439 part of Shameless, for the most part, very much Shameless 1:53:09.439 --> 1:53:12.000 seems to a thing that like, you know, people are 1:53:12.160 --> 1:53:14.960 usually either recognizing me outright or giving me the side 1:53:15.000 --> 1:53:16.720 I from, like, I know you from somewhere, who are you? 1:53:16.920 --> 1:53:17.320 What is that? 1:53:17.439 --> 1:53:19.080 I know your face kind of thing, and then it. 1:53:19.240 --> 1:53:21.759 Comes out that it's that, I mean, a groundbreaking character. 1:53:22.120 --> 1:53:23.960 Yeah, it was really fun that the right I always say, 1:53:24.080 --> 1:53:27.120 the writers on Seamless really gave him a really beautiful 1:53:27.200 --> 1:53:29.000 arc and it was such a cool thing to be 1:53:29.040 --> 1:53:30.599 a part of it. Yeah, I was very very happy 1:53:30.640 --> 1:53:31.320 how that turned out. 1:53:31.520 --> 1:53:34.280 Are you friends with me? Are you guys all connected? 1:53:35.320 --> 1:53:37.120 Like yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean because your. 1:53:37.000 --> 1:53:39.160 Girl Shanola is killing it and watching her on Found 1:53:39.520 --> 1:53:43.200 I can't get enough. And then obviously Jeremy Allen White 1:53:43.360 --> 1:53:46.040 is like, dude, the bear is so good, Calvin Klein, 1:53:46.120 --> 1:53:48.800 Emmy of it all, it's just so fun. You're all 1:53:49.200 --> 1:53:52.360 doing great. But yeah, I love Found Founds great. 1:53:52.479 --> 1:53:56.000 Chanola's one of the loveliest people. She's just like wonderful. 1:53:56.280 --> 1:53:57.720 I don't know. There are certain people that kind of 1:53:57.800 --> 1:54:00.519 have like endless energy and are just like extra greamely 1:54:01.240 --> 1:54:04.040 caretaking and like loving with everyone they interact with, and 1:54:04.120 --> 1:54:06.519 she's one of those people. She kind of is, Yeah, 1:54:06.760 --> 1:54:09.839 pretty cool. And then Jeremy obviously is. I mean, Jeremy's 1:54:09.880 --> 1:54:12.280 so talented, He's always been super talented, and he's like 1:54:13.320 --> 1:54:15.840 just a just a really good dude, just a very 1:54:15.880 --> 1:54:19.360 good dude and a joy to work with. And it 1:54:19.520 --> 1:54:21.920 is not surprising, let's put it that way. 1:54:23.320 --> 1:54:25.599 It was such a good show. Well, he's been an 1:54:25.720 --> 1:54:29.040 s VU I forgot. Carl has been an s v O. 1:54:30.240 --> 1:54:35.120 Ginger Cameron has been on one, and the Tall One, 1:54:36.120 --> 1:54:41.880 the Kevin. Yes, have you seen any of their episodes? 1:54:43.040 --> 1:54:47.360 No, I haven't. I have seen stills of of Ethan's. 1:54:47.800 --> 1:54:50.080 He's he's a little he looks like a low murder. Yeah, 1:54:50.120 --> 1:54:51.640 I don't know. I don't know what his episode was about, 1:54:51.680 --> 1:54:52.680 but he looks like a little killer. 1:54:53.240 --> 1:54:55.600 Oh no, it's born psychopath and then what is it death? 1:54:55.880 --> 1:54:58.880 Like he's brought back like he's a psychopath, but then 1:54:58.880 --> 1:55:01.000 they release him when he turns twenty one because of 1:55:01.120 --> 1:55:04.400 juvenile laws and then he kills his family and like 1:55:04.520 --> 1:55:05.080 goes nuts. 1:55:05.280 --> 1:55:07.400 Bad call, bad call, and released there. 1:55:09.280 --> 1:55:11.040 But it was cool because they had the actor when 1:55:11.080 --> 1:55:12.600 he was so young and then they brought him back 1:55:12.640 --> 1:55:15.760 like ten years later and like felling. You know, shows 1:55:15.800 --> 1:55:17.960 don't always have the ability to do that, so I 1:55:18.000 --> 1:55:19.640 thought it was that was a cool art for him. 1:55:19.800 --> 1:55:25.640 But you should watch Howie's too, because what intent. 1:55:26.120 --> 1:55:28.640 It's like a double catfish where he thinks he's meeting 1:55:28.720 --> 1:55:31.560 up with he's an famous MMA fighter. He thinks he's 1:55:31.600 --> 1:55:33.720 meeting up with someone who has a rape fantasy because 1:55:33.720 --> 1:55:37.200 someone catfished them, and then he does assault the person, 1:55:37.880 --> 1:55:39.960 but he has the text to prove and it's like 1:55:40.080 --> 1:55:42.040 kind of a wild case, but he ends up being 1:55:42.080 --> 1:55:43.000 a really good guy. 1:55:43.720 --> 1:55:46.640 I don'tkay, you know, try to help someone with a 1:55:46.680 --> 1:55:48.480 fantasy went very, very wrong. 1:55:48.880 --> 1:55:51.400 I'm surprised the USA Network has it done like a 1:55:51.560 --> 1:55:54.920 shameless marathon for so many of you, you know, because 1:55:54.920 --> 1:55:57.040 they'll do like Orange is the New Black marathons, where 1:55:57.120 --> 1:55:58.760 like it's all the people from Orange who have done 1:55:58.760 --> 1:56:01.040 the show, and there's a lot of you shameless guys 1:56:01.040 --> 1:56:01.480 in there too. 1:56:01.640 --> 1:56:01.840 Yeah. 1:56:02.160 --> 1:56:06.320 Well, we had someone on I forgot his name, the 1:56:06.400 --> 1:56:09.240 flute player who's the floutest Zach McGowan. 1:56:09.800 --> 1:56:13.480 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, another really good dude. That 1:56:13.520 --> 1:56:16.600 show was really cool. Yeah. McGowan's great man that he's 1:56:16.640 --> 1:56:19.839 got the craziest voice I've ever heard. His voice is awesome. 1:56:19.880 --> 1:56:22.560 It's just like if his voice was like it's down 1:56:22.600 --> 1:56:23.600 on the floor, it's so low. 1:56:23.640 --> 1:56:26.760 You're like, oh man, Yeah, he seemed manly and he's like, yeah, 1:56:26.800 --> 1:56:29.080 I just like eat steaks and do pull ups and 1:56:29.160 --> 1:56:30.480 have beer and we're like nice. 1:56:31.240 --> 1:56:34.000 But he yeah, I remember he was when we were 1:56:34.120 --> 1:56:37.000 doing Shame a shameless episode in Chicago. We would go 1:56:37.040 --> 1:56:40.400 to Chicago like to block shoot out that exteriors on 1:56:40.480 --> 1:56:42.600 the show, and and uh and I remember it was 1:56:42.640 --> 1:56:45.600 like I think it was maybe fall time we were there, 1:56:45.720 --> 1:56:48.480 and he was he was really into like barefoot running 1:56:48.480 --> 1:56:49.880 at the time, and he would just go out there 1:56:49.880 --> 1:56:51.920 and like run maybe he had I think it was 1:56:52.000 --> 1:56:55.040 barefoot and it was just I was like, oh, oh man, 1:56:55.160 --> 1:56:57.880 you go for it. That's Chicago. That's Chicago. That's cold Chicago. 1:56:57.960 --> 1:56:59.400 I don't know about that, but you you do you? 1:57:00.360 --> 1:57:06.240 Yeah. He plays a famous floutist who gets drugged and 1:57:06.280 --> 1:57:06.920 commits a crime. 1:57:07.200 --> 1:57:09.000 All right, like a famous floutest. 1:57:09.080 --> 1:57:09.480 I like that. 1:57:10.080 --> 1:57:11.160 That's what we joke about. 1:57:11.320 --> 1:57:15.040 Yeah, Joe Cusack did say no, but one day, one day, 1:57:15.240 --> 1:57:19.000 we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna collect. 1:57:18.760 --> 1:57:20.880 All the shameless people, like we have the Oranges the 1:57:20.920 --> 1:57:21.560 New Black People. 1:57:21.840 --> 1:57:23.680 Oh nice, there you go. So many people have been 1:57:23.720 --> 1:57:25.560 on lawn Order like you. I mean that that that 1:57:25.680 --> 1:57:27.080 must just be like an endless list. 1:57:27.240 --> 1:57:30.080 No, for sure, it is. This is so thrilling. 1:57:30.240 --> 1:57:32.600 We get to talk to really cool people where we're 1:57:32.720 --> 1:57:34.640 like very happy that we get to do this. 1:57:35.800 --> 1:57:37.560 How was it being a Ninja Turtle? You did mention? 1:57:37.840 --> 1:57:39.320 It was fun? It was super fun. I mean again, 1:57:39.360 --> 1:57:40.800 I grew up a kid of the eighties, so I 1:57:41.320 --> 1:57:44.720 grew up I was Hinja Turtles as a as a kid, 1:57:44.800 --> 1:57:46.560 and then getting to do that was Yeah, that was 1:57:46.560 --> 1:57:47.680 pretty that was pretty special. 1:57:47.720 --> 1:57:48.160 It was fun. 1:57:48.640 --> 1:57:49.040 Hell yeah. 1:57:49.080 --> 1:57:51.400 We had another guy on our podcast, Josh Pie, and 1:57:51.480 --> 1:57:53.720 he was in the one that like we watched as kids, 1:57:53.800 --> 1:57:55.960 the one with like Corey Feldman, and then oh yeah, 1:57:56.000 --> 1:57:58.920 he was actually in the outfit suit some of them 1:57:58.960 --> 1:58:00.560 it was just the voice and some of them did 1:58:00.600 --> 1:58:02.360 the voice and they were in the suit. And he 1:58:02.400 --> 1:58:03.760 said he was in the suit and they would like 1:58:03.880 --> 1:58:05.840 glue on the head every day and then they would 1:58:05.840 --> 1:58:07.840 all get so hot and they'd have to like, I mean, 1:58:07.880 --> 1:58:09.280 it's like we've come a long way. 1:58:09.400 --> 1:58:10.240 I think in terms of. 1:58:10.320 --> 1:58:12.600 Fathom breaks must have just been a nightmare that must 1:58:12.640 --> 1:58:13.000 have been. 1:58:13.000 --> 1:58:16.960 So bad, like the costuming and cgi and all that 1:58:17.000 --> 1:58:20.160 has come a long way. I was obviously poking around 1:58:20.200 --> 1:58:22.440 on your Instagram. I saw you a beautiful wife who's 1:58:22.480 --> 1:58:25.480 also an actor as well. Yeah she is, Ye did 1:58:25.520 --> 1:58:27.320 a little who did a part on Shameless as well, 1:58:27.360 --> 1:58:29.280 I think like for a couple of episodes. 1:58:29.680 --> 1:58:29.880 Yep. 1:58:30.280 --> 1:58:31.320 So we always ask. 1:58:31.240 --> 1:58:33.920 People when we interview them, like when they're married to 1:58:34.040 --> 1:58:36.840 somebody who's also in the business, like do you guys 1:58:37.320 --> 1:58:39.000 like to work together? Do you help each other with 1:58:39.080 --> 1:58:41.400 auditions and stuff, or do you kind of try to 1:58:41.480 --> 1:58:42.080 keep it okay? 1:58:42.480 --> 1:58:45.040 Yes, Leila is the only reason I actually have I 1:58:45.200 --> 1:58:48.160 booked Shameless funny enough, like she were really we're yeah, 1:58:48.240 --> 1:58:50.920 we're each other, She's we were each other's coaches, and 1:58:51.360 --> 1:58:53.040 you know, so every every time you see me or 1:58:53.200 --> 1:58:56.040 her on anything where you know the other person's pretty 1:58:56.080 --> 1:58:59.840 intricately involved. I had an audition for Shameless, and I 1:59:00.120 --> 1:59:04.000 was working on a guest star on Light to Me, 1:59:04.120 --> 1:59:06.160 and I was doing an episode on that and I 1:59:06.280 --> 1:59:09.400 couldn't make the I had a test with John Wells. 1:59:09.400 --> 1:59:10.760 They wanted to bring me in for a test and 1:59:10.920 --> 1:59:12.560 for the character, and I couldn't make it because I 1:59:12.600 --> 1:59:16.080 was working, and so Layla basically was like, well, we 1:59:16.200 --> 1:59:18.040 need to do a tape. This was a long long 1:59:18.080 --> 1:59:19.680 time ago, this was before tapes were sort of like 1:59:19.720 --> 1:59:21.400 a norm, And I had to get out like my 1:59:21.480 --> 1:59:24.160 little like a little flip camera kind of thing and 1:59:24.240 --> 1:59:27.560 set it up. And we did the test sides, but 1:59:27.680 --> 1:59:30.000 we did them in three different ways to kind of 1:59:30.080 --> 1:59:32.480 like show that I was directable. Like it was a 1:59:32.520 --> 1:59:35.440 scale like crazy like light Lightnikey to like all the 1:59:35.480 --> 1:59:38.440 way crazy monkey, and we just did like multiples and 1:59:38.960 --> 1:59:41.280 she she got me to do that and as a result, 1:59:41.520 --> 1:59:43.800 I ended up booking the booking the job. So yeah, 1:59:43.880 --> 1:59:45.680 she's definitely I like working with. 1:59:47.320 --> 1:59:49.520 Wow. Yeah that's so cool. 1:59:50.160 --> 1:59:53.600 While you were talking about Crazy, the actress who played 1:59:53.600 --> 1:59:57.440 your sister's also been on Shameless and she is actually 1:59:57.520 --> 2:00:01.560 the birth mother of Mursco Hargate say like Benson's adopted 2:00:01.680 --> 2:00:02.560 son in the series. 2:00:03.280 --> 2:00:06.480 Really she has a very tragic she's Ellie Porter Caro. Oh. Yeah, 2:00:06.520 --> 2:00:08.640 I'm like, who are we talking about. She's your sister 2:00:08.760 --> 2:00:10.360 on the show on Shame list at right? 2:00:12.640 --> 2:00:12.960 Gotcha? 2:00:13.080 --> 2:00:13.240 Yeah? 2:00:13.280 --> 2:00:16.000 Yeah, yeah, they just keep popping up. I'm so sorry. 2:00:17.040 --> 2:00:19.800 No, it's all good. I get confused myself because I 2:00:19.920 --> 2:00:23.040 did I did Law and Order, but I also did 2:00:23.520 --> 2:00:25.920 a guest spot on Criminal Intent as well, So yeah, 2:00:26.520 --> 2:00:29.040 it's a little you know, there's there's lots of these shows. 2:00:29.520 --> 2:00:30.360 There's so many of them. 2:00:30.440 --> 2:00:31.760 What did you do in Criminal Intent? 2:00:31.920 --> 2:00:36.960 Who are you the son of a a rock star? Basically? 2:00:37.040 --> 2:00:38.880 And the episode is me finding out that I'm the 2:00:38.920 --> 2:00:41.560 son of this rock star. The actor was Michael Massey, 2:00:41.640 --> 2:00:45.240 I think, and lovely guy, and he kind of plays 2:00:45.280 --> 2:00:47.240 like a you know, like an Aerosmith typer, like a 2:00:47.320 --> 2:00:48.800 Mick Jagger type kind of character. 2:00:48.960 --> 2:00:50.720 And I was just gonna say it sounds like liv 2:00:50.800 --> 2:00:53.800 Tyler finding out later in life that she was Stephen 2:00:53.840 --> 2:00:54.840 Tyler's yes daughter. 2:00:55.120 --> 2:00:55.320 It was. 2:00:55.440 --> 2:00:57.320 It's that kind of a thing. But yeah, that was 2:00:57.360 --> 2:00:59.880 that was I think that was my first I think 2:00:59.920 --> 2:01:00.760 I did that before. 2:01:01.600 --> 2:01:03.960 Yeah, yeah, I think according to your IMDb that was 2:01:04.000 --> 2:01:04.680 a little bit before. 2:01:04.800 --> 2:01:05.000 Yeah. 2:01:05.200 --> 2:01:07.280 Did casting just know you and bring you in for 2:01:07.720 --> 2:01:09.360 Stucky or did you audition for Stucky? 2:01:09.560 --> 2:01:11.880 I did not audition for Stucky. That was an would 2:01:11.960 --> 2:01:15.240 offer only stuck you offer, Yeah, which was really cool. 2:01:15.560 --> 2:01:17.480 I think that was like my first offer as I 2:01:17.560 --> 2:01:19.720 have this is not that I'm down. 2:01:19.800 --> 2:01:21.560 I like this, this makes me have Yeah, it's like, 2:01:21.680 --> 2:01:23.880 in retrospect, we should have known something was going to 2:01:23.960 --> 2:01:26.720 go down with you because no csu text. I mean, 2:01:26.760 --> 2:01:29.280 we've they've got they do a little joke here and there, 2:01:29.320 --> 2:01:31.360 but we don't really they don't have much of a personality. 2:01:31.400 --> 2:01:33.680 They're kind of just there to feed information into the scene. 2:01:33.720 --> 2:01:36.200 And then in comes this guy who's got like this 2:01:36.600 --> 2:01:40.480 wild character and it was like, it's just Zebras. I 2:01:40.520 --> 2:01:42.640 would say is one of the top ten most insane 2:01:42.680 --> 2:01:45.120 episodes of the five hundred plus episodes of that show. 2:01:45.280 --> 2:01:46.880 Yeah, I mean like, do you remember when you got 2:01:46.960 --> 2:01:48.520 the script for that, were you like what? 2:01:49.080 --> 2:01:52.400 Yeah, yeah, I kind of knew. I mean like again, 2:01:52.560 --> 2:01:54.400 you know, any anytime you have a character saying, hey, 2:01:54.480 --> 2:01:56.560 check out this hilarious dead baby I found is you 2:01:56.600 --> 2:01:58.680 know you're sort of like, well, maybe you know something 2:01:59.440 --> 2:02:02.120 something's off with this dude. But yeah, when I saw 2:02:02.200 --> 2:02:04.440 that the depth that he goes to, he's at them 2:02:04.520 --> 2:02:07.720 murdering judges or trying to murder judges, and like he's yeah, 2:02:07.840 --> 2:02:11.160 he goes full on dexter on everybody. And that definitely 2:02:11.320 --> 2:02:12.960 was like I was like this is I don't think 2:02:12.960 --> 2:02:15.160 I've seen anything even remotely close to this as an 2:02:15.240 --> 2:02:17.440 arc on S on any Law and Order, which is 2:02:17.720 --> 2:02:18.480 which is kind of cool. 2:02:18.560 --> 2:02:20.720 And you try to murder Judith Light, who's like an 2:02:20.920 --> 2:02:23.800 iconic judge and you know, is a big like a 2:02:23.920 --> 2:02:27.919 recurring person on SVU and uh, kind of a ballbuster. 2:02:28.000 --> 2:02:29.880 I mean she because she humiliates you. 2:02:30.040 --> 2:02:31.600 He's trying to take apart the universe. 2:02:31.840 --> 2:02:33.960 I was getting humiliated by Judith Light. Was that fun? 2:02:34.080 --> 2:02:37.720 Well, getting basically his whole his whole arc is just 2:02:37.720 --> 2:02:41.360 getting humiliated over and over again by basically everybody interacts with, right, 2:02:41.480 --> 2:02:43.720 So it's kind of like, all right, this is just 2:02:43.760 --> 2:02:46.120 another person. Fine, I guess I'll start killing people, you. 2:02:46.160 --> 2:02:51.120 Know, perfect. Hopefully this isn't a weird question. 2:02:51.440 --> 2:02:54.720 We stalk the IMDb, we do the research, and some 2:02:54.880 --> 2:02:57.760 of your early credits from Freddy Got Fingered and a 2:02:57.840 --> 2:03:01.000 guy thing you were pimply manager and Acne face team. 2:03:01.800 --> 2:03:02.400 What the hell? 2:03:02.960 --> 2:03:06.360 Yeah, well, I mean I was going through I was 2:03:06.440 --> 2:03:08.480 going through a part of my life. 2:03:08.360 --> 2:03:08.520 You know. 2:03:09.120 --> 2:03:11.960 No, that's the worst is that they couldn't give you 2:03:12.000 --> 2:03:12.400 a name. 2:03:12.560 --> 2:03:16.320 Geez No, that was from my Vancouver days and so 2:03:16.480 --> 2:03:19.400 you know, it's a lot of the a lot frequently, 2:03:19.520 --> 2:03:22.560 not always, but frequently, you know, American show comes, and 2:03:22.680 --> 2:03:24.600 a lot more of the kind of the co stars 2:03:24.640 --> 2:03:27.560 and like the supporting characters are are are going to 2:03:27.560 --> 2:03:29.680 be Vancouver based and so yeah, those were some of 2:03:29.760 --> 2:03:32.240 my some of my earlier credits. I think in one 2:03:32.320 --> 2:03:35.360 of them, I think a guy thing. I think they 2:03:35.480 --> 2:03:38.360 put fake pimples on me. I think at that point, 2:03:38.560 --> 2:03:40.080 which was also I was in the middle of my 2:03:40.200 --> 2:03:41.920 teen years and just kind of like trying to get 2:03:41.920 --> 2:03:44.200 away from the pimple things like no, no, no, no, 2:03:44.360 --> 2:03:46.240 no no, we're gonna lean in, We're gonna we're gonna 2:03:46.240 --> 2:03:49.680 have make up professionally put more pimples on you. Like 2:03:49.880 --> 2:03:52.480 that's the glamor, the glamor I was looking for. 2:03:52.680 --> 2:03:56.720 You don't really think about the the tribulations of being 2:03:56.760 --> 2:03:57.440 a teen actor. 2:03:58.400 --> 2:04:02.800 Yeah, you think about the skin. Well, your skin looks incredible, So. 2:04:04.280 --> 2:04:07.320 It's improved somewhat since Freddy got fingered and being acne 2:04:07.480 --> 2:04:08.240 manager or whatever. 2:04:08.360 --> 2:04:10.840 Guy you're on the other side of it. 2:04:11.120 --> 2:04:12.160 Yeah, yeah, I made it. 2:04:12.600 --> 2:04:14.760 What was the moment where you knew you had to 2:04:14.840 --> 2:04:17.800 move to La or the States? How long were you 2:04:17.880 --> 2:04:18.800 acting in Canada. 2:04:20.240 --> 2:04:22.640 I had my first I had my fourteenth birthday on 2:04:22.720 --> 2:04:24.520 my first job. So I've been doing it since I was, 2:04:25.400 --> 2:04:29.160 you know, slightly before fourteen. And my mom is American, 2:04:29.280 --> 2:04:34.040 She's from Ohio, and so basically I sort of figured 2:04:34.040 --> 2:04:35.920 I didn't. It wasn't like a conscious decision I like 2:04:36.000 --> 2:04:38.960 I have to go now. It was more just sort 2:04:39.000 --> 2:04:41.960 of like, okay, well, there's there's a fairly specific This 2:04:42.080 --> 2:04:44.680 isn't always the case, but sometimes there's a ceiling in 2:04:45.840 --> 2:04:49.080 Canada that is hard to kind of get through. And 2:04:49.480 --> 2:04:51.560 I kind of made the decision that because I didn't 2:04:51.560 --> 2:04:53.320 have any paperwork problems, I would at least come down 2:04:53.320 --> 2:04:56.200 to la and like see what happened. And I knew 2:04:56.320 --> 2:04:58.480 a lot of very talented Canadian actors that were coming 2:04:58.560 --> 2:05:00.560 down as well. So I moved down here with a 2:05:00.680 --> 2:05:03.600 handful of people that I knew from Vancouver, and yeah, 2:05:03.720 --> 2:05:05.720 just sort of I ended up, you know, I had 2:05:05.800 --> 2:05:07.240 I ran out of money and I had to go 2:05:07.360 --> 2:05:09.360 back to Vancouver to kind of make more money and 2:05:09.400 --> 2:05:10.680 then I would come back here. And I did that. 2:05:10.840 --> 2:05:13.160 I did that that kind of that back and forth 2:05:13.240 --> 2:05:17.280 probably three times before something was stuck here and then yeah, 2:05:17.400 --> 2:05:19.320 then then it was just kind of I think the 2:05:19.440 --> 2:05:22.240 first thing was The Riches, the FX Show with Eddie 2:05:22.320 --> 2:05:25.000 iSER Driver, and yeah, that that was the first time 2:05:25.080 --> 2:05:26.720 I was like, oh, I get to I get to stay, 2:05:26.800 --> 2:05:28.600 I can I can be here for a little bit, 2:05:28.720 --> 2:05:31.040 and you know, it sort of went from there. Knock 2:05:31.080 --> 2:05:33.080 what it's been. It's been. It's been a good run. 2:05:34.000 --> 2:05:36.160 Yeah, The Riches was great. I watched that back in 2:05:36.240 --> 2:05:37.600 the back when it was on. I loved that. 2:05:37.720 --> 2:05:39.960 It was fun and you probably get to breathe, like, fuck, 2:05:40.000 --> 2:05:41.040 I'm a series regular. 2:05:41.200 --> 2:05:44.720 I can like chill for a moment in time. 2:05:44.960 --> 2:05:46.880 Yeah, a little bit. I have somewhat of a for 2:05:47.160 --> 2:05:50.560 an incredibly unstructured, you know, career path that sort of 2:05:50.600 --> 2:05:52.160 allows a little bit of kind of like oh no, 2:05:52.240 --> 2:05:53.640 you have like a ninety five minute like that. You 2:05:53.720 --> 2:05:55.720 have like a good job, I know. 2:05:56.200 --> 2:05:59.360 Yeah, it's so nice. You didn't have to do the paperwork. 2:05:59.440 --> 2:06:03.160 So many Canadian performers, I know, it's really like so 2:06:03.360 --> 2:06:06.360 much paperwork, so much cash, so many years. 2:06:06.520 --> 2:06:07.880 So that's fucking awesome. 2:06:08.120 --> 2:06:10.840 Yeah. Yeah, it's a big bureaucratic, you know process to 2:06:10.880 --> 2:06:12.840 get Thursday. Yeah, I'm a greatful I didn't have to 2:06:12.880 --> 2:06:13.240 do that one. 2:06:13.320 --> 2:06:15.440 And have you gone back to Vancouver on like a 2:06:15.520 --> 2:06:17.960 job you book in the US ever to like film. 2:06:17.880 --> 2:06:20.720 Yeah, only twice. I have only booked two jobs. They 2:06:20.800 --> 2:06:23.320 did a month of the Twilight movies. 2:06:23.440 --> 2:06:25.160 Yeah, those were all up there, right, yeah. 2:06:25.000 --> 2:06:28.920 Well, the bulk of it was actually Baton Rouge, Louisiana. 2:06:29.360 --> 2:06:30.680 Oh yeah, yeah it was. 2:06:30.960 --> 2:06:35.200 It takes place in like Seattle or Washington State, right, yeah. 2:06:35.160 --> 2:06:38.160 Yes, I think I think we were in bat Us 2:06:38.160 --> 2:06:40.240 because it was especially the movie, the one that I 2:06:40.400 --> 2:06:42.720 was on. The final too. They shot as one movie 2:06:42.800 --> 2:06:46.880 and it was mostly soundstage. There was just like it 2:06:47.040 --> 2:06:49.760 was like even even that whole I don't know if 2:06:49.800 --> 2:06:51.880 you either you're familiar with the movies, but there's a 2:06:52.040 --> 2:06:55.280 huge snow battle sequence at the end of the whole 2:06:55.400 --> 2:06:58.680 of the whole series, and that whole field was in 2:06:58.800 --> 2:07:01.480 a sound stage with Fate snow for a month. 2:07:01.320 --> 2:07:05.760 In Lousu Woa in Louisiana. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, last 2:07:05.800 --> 2:07:07.280 place I would expect interesting. 2:07:07.400 --> 2:07:10.040 But then but then I went back to Vancouver for 2:07:10.160 --> 2:07:12.040 like a few I think I had like three days 2:07:12.080 --> 2:07:13.400 and I got to hang out there for a few weeks, 2:07:13.440 --> 2:07:14.600 which was which is always fun. 2:07:15.000 --> 2:07:16.680 Well, Yeah. What's that hotel we stayed in it. 2:07:16.760 --> 2:07:18.880 What's the like famous hotel where all the actors stay, 2:07:19.680 --> 2:07:20.520 the Sutton Place. 2:07:20.840 --> 2:07:24.320 Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, I have been there as well. 2:07:24.520 --> 2:07:27.160 It's so cool anytime I'm there that I feel like there, 2:07:27.400 --> 2:07:30.800 I'm always looking for actors, like I want to see something. 2:07:30.880 --> 2:07:32.440 You go out to the bar, you go down to 2:07:32.520 --> 2:07:33.800 the bar, You're going to rend it somebody. 2:07:33.920 --> 2:07:36.400 Yeah, it's nice there. 2:07:36.600 --> 2:07:38.880 Yeah, it's a good little I like my city. Vancouver's fun. 2:07:38.920 --> 2:07:40.880 Vancouver's a good little, good little, good little town. 2:07:41.040 --> 2:07:44.000 I had a great brunch there. Yeah, it's so beautiful. 2:07:44.040 --> 2:07:45.680 We wanted to say. I wanted to stay there longer. 2:07:46.400 --> 2:07:50.520 Anything you are working on now that you are excited about, Yeah, 2:07:50.560 --> 2:07:51.280 that's what I want to know. 2:07:51.480 --> 2:07:52.720 What's the current project. 2:07:53.320 --> 2:07:57.040 I just got done doing my first little comedy horror 2:07:57.120 --> 2:07:59.880 movie called Cognitive, which is really fun. It's going to 2:07:59.920 --> 2:08:02.200 be a totally insane movie, but it's gonna be a 2:08:02.200 --> 2:08:03.760 lot It's gonna be very a lot of laughs, a 2:08:03.800 --> 2:08:05.800 lot of kind of craziness, which is blood of Blood. 2:08:05.840 --> 2:08:11.120 Oh cool. Yeah, that's fun. Keep an eye out for that. 2:08:11.320 --> 2:08:14.720 I love comedy horror so much and I'm so glad 2:08:15.160 --> 2:08:15.960 people are making it. 2:08:16.080 --> 2:08:17.040 It's having a real moment. 2:08:17.160 --> 2:08:19.520 Yeah, it's good. It's a good comble of a murder 2:08:19.600 --> 2:08:22.720 and laughter. You know, again back to stuff. It's very stucky. 2:08:22.760 --> 2:08:27.080 Yes, yes, very stucky, very stuffy. Did you meet Neil 2:08:27.120 --> 2:08:30.520 Bear on set, like I mean the showrunner? No, no, no, no, 2:08:30.640 --> 2:08:32.880 I did not, because we miss him. 2:08:32.800 --> 2:08:35.200 In the humor that he put in those earlier seasons. 2:08:36.520 --> 2:08:36.680 Yeah. 2:08:36.840 --> 2:08:39.280 Yeah, it's like today there would not be a Stucky 2:08:39.360 --> 2:08:41.400 on the show. Like the current seasons, they would never 2:08:41.480 --> 2:08:43.560 have a Stucky, you know, like they allowed for a 2:08:43.680 --> 2:08:44.720 smidge of campiness. 2:08:44.840 --> 2:08:47.720 I feel in the earlier seasons they've. 2:08:47.600 --> 2:08:49.720 Gone a little they've gone a little more more dark. 2:08:49.760 --> 2:08:51.360 I think everything's gone a little more dark. 2:08:51.440 --> 2:08:51.560 Though. 2:08:51.880 --> 2:08:54.200 It feels like the tone of most stuff is a 2:08:54.240 --> 2:08:56.560 little more, a little more hardcore. 2:08:57.560 --> 2:08:57.760 Yeah. 2:08:58.720 --> 2:09:01.600 Do you have any other like little memories of shooting 2:09:01.680 --> 2:09:05.040 these episodes, any any interactions with iced tea, anything, any 2:09:05.080 --> 2:09:07.040 tea you want to spill like tell us. 2:09:07.080 --> 2:09:07.480 Yeah, I have. 2:09:07.760 --> 2:09:09.560 I have a couple of a couple of good memories. 2:09:10.200 --> 2:09:12.920 Uh so the big scene, that big final scene, I 2:09:13.040 --> 2:09:15.120 got to you know, I'm very excited to be part 2:09:15.160 --> 2:09:17.360 of this thing. I'm all all amped up to do 2:09:17.480 --> 2:09:19.320 my big kind of you know, crazy scene, and I 2:09:19.440 --> 2:09:21.920 get there in the morning and I get pulled into 2:09:22.280 --> 2:09:25.880 with with Marushka and Maloney. We all get taken into 2:09:25.920 --> 2:09:27.960 this room with the writer of the director and they 2:09:28.040 --> 2:09:31.200 want to like go over some rewrites and they end 2:09:31.320 --> 2:09:33.920 up doing you know, pretty some pretty significant rewrites on 2:09:34.080 --> 2:09:36.520 the morning, which had not happened before, and I think 2:09:36.560 --> 2:09:38.440 they just wanted to make sure because it's such a 2:09:38.520 --> 2:09:40.200 kind of climactic scene that it really kind of hit 2:09:40.240 --> 2:09:42.880 the way they wanted it to. I just remember needing 2:09:42.920 --> 2:09:44.879 to like go back to my room and like relearn 2:09:45.040 --> 2:09:47.080 like maybe a third of it like before I went 2:09:47.160 --> 2:09:49.879 out and did it, which was definitely a little anxiety inducing. 2:09:50.200 --> 2:09:52.080 But No, the main thing that I remember from that 2:09:52.280 --> 2:09:56.240 scene is that when I have Stabler like tied up right, 2:09:56.320 --> 2:09:59.040 he's got stable tied. Maloney's in the chair and I 2:09:59.080 --> 2:10:00.640 have to I have to like at them. There's a 2:10:00.680 --> 2:10:03.800 part where I have to stab him. And yeah, I 2:10:03.960 --> 2:10:06.160 remember like they were going over it with me how 2:10:06.160 --> 2:10:08.360 they were going to do it and how they had 2:10:08.400 --> 2:10:09.520 figured out they were going to do it. Is they 2:10:09.560 --> 2:10:11.840 were gonna put like a like a wood plant like 2:10:11.920 --> 2:10:14.840 a wood plank under his shirt and they were going 2:10:14.920 --> 2:10:17.040 to put a blood patch, like a blood pack on 2:10:17.280 --> 2:10:20.640 the wood, and I would just stab it and you know, 2:10:21.040 --> 2:10:23.040 do a little twisty, get some get some blood coming 2:10:23.080 --> 2:10:25.760 out through the shirt. And I was like, Okay, great, 2:10:25.800 --> 2:10:28.080 this sounds great. And when I when they actually rank 2:10:28.160 --> 2:10:29.760 it all up and they get they get it all ready, 2:10:30.160 --> 2:10:32.520 it's you know, it's a whole plank of wood under 2:10:32.520 --> 2:10:33.800 his shirt that you can't see, but they put the 2:10:33.840 --> 2:10:38.320 blood pack like right at the corner, like right on 2:10:38.440 --> 2:10:42.040 the corner of this of this plank, and there's probably like, 2:10:42.400 --> 2:10:45.720 you know, half an inch on on either side of 2:10:45.760 --> 2:10:47.880 this thing. So now I'm given like a real knife 2:10:48.240 --> 2:10:49.920 and I'm in the middle of this heated moment and 2:10:49.960 --> 2:10:53.480 I'm just sitting there going like, oh man, please don't 2:10:53.520 --> 2:10:56.600 let me actually stab plea. Don't let me actually stab 2:10:57.520 --> 2:11:00.760 this actor. Please please. And you know I had to 2:11:00.840 --> 2:11:03.720 aim at you know, a little an inch ether direction 2:11:03.800 --> 2:11:06.080 it would have gone into his shoulder. But but yeah, 2:11:06.120 --> 2:11:09.160 it worked out. You know, it all went all well. 2:11:09.240 --> 2:11:13.520 But that was that was definitely like an anxiety inducing moment. 2:11:13.960 --> 2:11:17.320 That seems such a weird choice for them, Like why 2:11:17.400 --> 2:11:18.360 put it on the corner. 2:11:19.200 --> 2:11:21.400 Why I think it was above his kind of heart. 2:11:21.360 --> 2:11:23.280 Because you have to pop the thing, so it has 2:11:23.360 --> 2:11:24.000 to be a knife. 2:11:24.160 --> 2:11:25.360 Oh my, yeah it was. 2:11:25.480 --> 2:11:27.240 It was. And it wasn't like it wasn't like they 2:11:27.280 --> 2:11:30.160 had they had like a dull down one. But it's 2:11:30.160 --> 2:11:31.640 still knife, you know what I mean. 2:11:31.920 --> 2:11:32.680 Yeah it was. 2:11:33.000 --> 2:11:34.960 It was still it was pointy. It was pointy enough 2:11:35.000 --> 2:11:36.160 to go in, you know what I mean. 2:11:36.320 --> 2:11:38.440 So it was and he's like the number one on 2:11:38.480 --> 2:11:40.320 the call sheet. You don't want to stab the star? 2:11:40.560 --> 2:11:42.520 Yeah exactly, this is real. Yeah, this is you know, 2:11:42.680 --> 2:11:44.840 this is however many fifteen years ago or whatever, and 2:11:44.880 --> 2:11:47.240 I'm like, oh man, I don't want to stab Christopher Maloney. 2:11:47.320 --> 2:11:49.840 I really don't want to stab Christopher Maloney. I feel 2:11:49.880 --> 2:11:51.280 like that would not go well at all. 2:11:51.920 --> 2:11:52.680 Oh my gosh. 2:11:52.840 --> 2:11:54.800 Like in the same shoot, you have to like kiss 2:11:55.040 --> 2:11:57.160 one star of the show stab the other star of 2:11:57.200 --> 2:11:57.480 the show. 2:11:57.680 --> 2:11:59.200 That must have been a stressful work week. 2:11:59.280 --> 2:12:01.040 It was. It was a day. It was a big day. 2:12:01.120 --> 2:12:04.400 But you know that's what I signed up for or day. Yeah, 2:12:04.400 --> 2:12:05.600 they probably happened on the same day. 2:12:05.680 --> 2:12:08.560 Yeah, this is just like a like a me being 2:12:08.600 --> 2:12:11.280 an idiot story. But but Marishki is really lovely. Right, 2:12:11.320 --> 2:12:13.600 She's a very very warm person. I'm sure everyone else 2:12:13.680 --> 2:12:15.800 that you've interviewed has kind of said the same thing. 2:12:16.080 --> 2:12:21.120 Very professional, very inclusive. And so she runs a charity 2:12:23.200 --> 2:12:25.839 for it might be sex workers. 2:12:26.280 --> 2:12:27.800 It's a Joyful Heart Foundation. 2:12:28.440 --> 2:12:30.400 Yes, yes, yes, and she does everything. 2:12:31.320 --> 2:12:33.000 They do a lot of stuff they do like testing 2:12:33.080 --> 2:12:36.520 of rape kits, they do victim services, I think, and 2:12:37.600 --> 2:12:39.800 what's that when you tell people about stuff advocacy? 2:12:40.000 --> 2:12:42.760 Yes, so you know, she invited me like this then 2:12:42.800 --> 2:12:45.440 all the recurring you know, actor guy, she invited me 2:12:45.560 --> 2:12:47.920 to they were having one of their big charity events. 2:12:48.480 --> 2:12:50.880 And as I said, this was I think my second 2:12:50.920 --> 2:12:53.240 time ever in New York, and I just wasn't This 2:12:53.440 --> 2:12:56.160 was before kind of like Google Maps was really much 2:12:56.200 --> 2:12:58.080 of a thing, and and I just sort of like 2:12:58.240 --> 2:12:59.760 she invited me, and I was like, Okay, should I 2:12:59.760 --> 2:13:01.680 should go? This is lovely? What a nice thing I want? 2:13:01.720 --> 2:13:03.240 It sounds like a cool charity, Like let me go 2:13:03.400 --> 2:13:05.880 check this out. And I did that thing where I 2:13:05.960 --> 2:13:07.720 was like, oh, well, you know, like I looked at 2:13:07.720 --> 2:13:09.240 the address and kind of figured out where I was, 2:13:09.480 --> 2:13:11.280 and I had that thought like that's not that far. 2:13:11.440 --> 2:13:13.360 I'll just walk. I'm gonna walk. And so I have 2:13:13.520 --> 2:13:15.040 like this night, and I put on my suit and 2:13:15.080 --> 2:13:18.000 I like go out. You know, I'm walking, and about 2:13:18.600 --> 2:13:22.720 two thirds of the way there, much longer than I anticipate. 2:13:22.800 --> 2:13:26.520 I'm in this area of Manhattan where there's just no cars. 2:13:26.560 --> 2:13:28.480 There's no like, there's no traffic, there's no there's like 2:13:28.560 --> 2:13:30.960 those pockets of just emptiness at night, especially on like 2:13:31.000 --> 2:13:34.000 a weekday, and I'm walking through one of those, and 2:13:34.200 --> 2:13:38.040 it just starts too poor. It just starts too pooring, 2:13:38.360 --> 2:13:40.640 oh no, and I can't. I can't find a taxi 2:13:40.840 --> 2:13:43.240 and I can't, so I just start like I just 2:13:43.360 --> 2:13:45.040 keep walking because I'm almost there. I'm like, well, you know, 2:13:45.120 --> 2:13:47.440 maybe it's not too bad. And I get there and 2:13:47.840 --> 2:13:49.600 I am just like I look like I stepped out 2:13:49.640 --> 2:13:52.040 of a shower in my suit, like my shirt see through, 2:13:52.240 --> 2:13:54.920 like I'm a mess. And I remember going up to 2:13:55.520 --> 2:13:57.600 the security guard, just kind of walking kind of up 2:13:57.600 --> 2:13:59.600 to the security guard, and the security guard just like 2:13:59.680 --> 2:14:01.800 look at me just once, just like give me a 2:14:01.840 --> 2:14:07.800 once up and down and just being like no, man, no, no, 2:14:08.080 --> 2:14:09.240 you don't want to come in here. And I was 2:14:09.280 --> 2:14:11.000 looking at myself and like, yeah, no, you're right, I 2:14:11.040 --> 2:14:13.400 don't know, so I just turned around and got a 2:14:13.480 --> 2:14:18.240 cab home. It's not a great end of the story, 2:14:18.280 --> 2:14:19.920 but it was pretty funny, kind of like, all right, 2:14:20.040 --> 2:14:22.680 this is this was a poorly planned moment by Noel 2:14:23.840 --> 2:14:24.680 oh Man. 2:14:25.080 --> 2:14:27.640 Yeah, that's how Stuck. You would have shown up. Stucky 2:14:27.640 --> 2:14:29.520 would have walked in and been like, sorry, liv got 2:14:29.560 --> 2:14:32.440 caught in a rainstorm and like high fived everyone. 2:14:32.840 --> 2:14:34.880 Shake himself off like a dog, and like, you know, 2:14:35.000 --> 2:14:35.880 get water everywhere. 2:14:36.040 --> 2:14:40.160 Yeah, yeah, that's so funny. Oh my gosh, this has 2:14:40.200 --> 2:14:42.600 been amazing. Thank you so much for talking to us 2:14:42.680 --> 2:14:43.080 a dream. 2:14:43.480 --> 2:14:45.760 Thank you, yeah, of course, yeah, thank you for actually 2:14:45.760 --> 2:14:47.520 making this happen. I'm sorry it took so long. When 2:14:47.520 --> 2:14:49.080 I'm glad we finally got it. 2:14:49.480 --> 2:14:53.440 We were determined you're a busy guy. We totally get it. Yeah, yes, 2:14:58.800 --> 2:15:01.920 that was my god. I love conversation. Oh my gosh, 2:15:02.560 --> 2:15:03.240 he was sweet. 2:15:03.400 --> 2:15:05.600 We waited and waited and we finally got him. And 2:15:05.800 --> 2:15:07.600 I'm so glad we finally talked to Stucky. 2:15:07.960 --> 2:15:10.600 Like what a thrill? What a thrill? 2:15:10.760 --> 2:15:12.720 And I do love that people do say bing bang 2:15:12.760 --> 2:15:14.480 bong to his face every day of his life and 2:15:14.560 --> 2:15:15.840 he needs I like that. 2:15:15.920 --> 2:15:17.480 Don't be scared to do it if you see him, 2:15:17.520 --> 2:15:19.240 I mean, don't don't go up to him when he's 2:15:19.320 --> 2:15:21.240 like in a serious conversation with someone. But if you 2:15:21.320 --> 2:15:23.880 have the opportunity presents itself, please do bing bang bong him. 2:15:25.320 --> 2:15:27.720 Let's get into I don't know, let's get into our 2:15:27.800 --> 2:15:30.680 post mortem. I don't know how we uh talk in 2:15:31.480 --> 2:15:34.160 these kind of cases really boil our blood the most. 2:15:34.200 --> 2:15:36.160 Where people in positions that are supposed to be like 2:15:36.320 --> 2:15:39.760 upholding the rules, you know, fighting for justice, doing the 2:15:39.840 --> 2:15:42.920 right thing, are just fucking corrupt assholes that want money 2:15:43.080 --> 2:15:45.840 and power and yes, sociopaths. 2:15:46.320 --> 2:15:51.360 It's really wild that these people like ruined thousands of 2:15:51.480 --> 2:15:53.720 children's lives without a care in the world. 2:15:54.400 --> 2:15:54.640 Yeah. 2:15:54.960 --> 2:15:58.600 No, nothing, like I've never been so happy with the 2:15:58.680 --> 2:15:59.960 jail sentence in my life. 2:16:00.440 --> 2:16:00.680 Yeah. 2:16:01.200 --> 2:16:03.560 Because the thing is is like, sure, there's judges taking 2:16:03.680 --> 2:16:07.680 kickbacks for like real estate development version shit like that. Okay, 2:16:07.880 --> 2:16:10.560 Like I guess, I mean fuck those guys too. I'm 2:16:10.600 --> 2:16:13.200 sure ultimately that trickles down and hurts people. But this 2:16:13.360 --> 2:16:16.160 is like you're actively just looking children in the eye 2:16:16.280 --> 2:16:18.960 and being like I'm going to ruin your life. It 2:16:19.080 --> 2:16:22.600 is sociopathic. It's really really sad and fucked up. 2:16:22.880 --> 2:16:25.040 I mean, I would love to have this type of money, 2:16:25.200 --> 2:16:27.360 so I'm not saying it like that, but that's it's 2:16:27.400 --> 2:16:30.240 not even that much money. Yeah, two point eight million 2:16:30.320 --> 2:16:32.600 dollars for thousands of kids, you know what I mean? 2:16:32.720 --> 2:16:36.720 Like, yeah, you can buy maybe a two bedroom in LA, 2:16:36.879 --> 2:16:39.480 you know what I mean. Like it is a lot 2:16:39.560 --> 2:16:39.959 of money. 2:16:40.080 --> 2:16:42.200 I think all of our lives would change with two 2:16:42.240 --> 2:16:44.320 point eight million dollars. But it's not a deal with 2:16:44.400 --> 2:16:46.600 the devil kind of money that you're doing. You know, 2:16:46.720 --> 2:16:49.240 I understand ruining a few kids' lives for a hundred mil, 2:16:49.400 --> 2:16:52.959 But like, what are we talking about here? 2:16:53.480 --> 2:16:55.160 Shutting down facilities? 2:16:55.400 --> 2:16:59.160 I mean and the people that knew and we should 2:16:59.200 --> 2:17:01.560 just not give judge that much power, is what I'm learning. 2:17:01.640 --> 2:17:04.199 I'm just I think I'm against lifetime appointments and judges 2:17:04.440 --> 2:17:05.720 and any of that. 2:17:06.080 --> 2:17:08.280 Yeah, it is like crazy, I just did vote for 2:17:08.360 --> 2:17:10.480 our judges here in LA. And I mean I go 2:17:10.600 --> 2:17:13.119 off of these progressive groups. I think most people probably 2:17:13.240 --> 2:17:15.280 a skip that part. Like I don't think a lot 2:17:15.320 --> 2:17:18.280 of people are heavily invested into judge races and we 2:17:18.360 --> 2:17:21.520 probably should be. Yeah, I mean, because they are elected 2:17:21.840 --> 2:17:24.680 in a lot of cases, unless it's you know, Donald 2:17:24.720 --> 2:17:26.640 Trump just putting in whoever the fuck he wants. 2:17:26.720 --> 2:17:29.480 Well, yeah, I'm threatening bloodshed. I mean, I just don't 2:17:29.520 --> 2:17:31.600 know how people are not more terrified. But maybe they're 2:17:31.640 --> 2:17:33.119 disassociating like a lot of us. 2:17:33.160 --> 2:17:33.600 Like, I don't know. 2:17:33.760 --> 2:17:36.280 Well, I also keep reading in my newsletter that Biden 2:17:36.320 --> 2:17:38.760 has a ton ton of money for this campaign, and 2:17:39.320 --> 2:17:41.000 Trump's like kind of being a little bit more tight 2:17:41.000 --> 2:17:42.800 lipped about how much money he's making. So I'm wondering 2:17:42.840 --> 2:17:44.760 if he's like not, I have to think some of 2:17:44.800 --> 2:17:47.480 these MAGA people are like, I'm not paying for your 2:17:47.560 --> 2:17:50.000 lawyer bills, Like, even though I would vote for you 2:17:50.160 --> 2:17:54.080 or whatever, I'm not paying for your fucking Stormy Daniels one, 2:17:54.280 --> 2:17:57.120 your January sixth one, your Egen Carol one, I'm not 2:17:57.160 --> 2:17:58.160 paying for your lawyer bills. 2:17:58.360 --> 2:17:59.720 I don't know, I don't trust. 2:17:59.840 --> 2:18:04.199 I just I feel if you're still thinking about Trump, 2:18:04.720 --> 2:18:07.400 you're not smart enough to understand where what your money 2:18:07.480 --> 2:18:07.920 is going to. 2:18:08.160 --> 2:18:10.840 I know, like, what if you're still on his side? 2:18:10.920 --> 2:18:13.760 I don't know of giving money for the Stormy Daniels case, 2:18:13.920 --> 2:18:16.840 is the straw that breaks the camel's back, Like I 2:18:17.080 --> 2:18:18.360 just I don't know. 2:18:18.760 --> 2:18:22.640 Yeah, yeah, who knows. I think he's lost people. I 2:18:22.680 --> 2:18:24.800 do think he's lost people, but who knows. Of course, 2:18:24.840 --> 2:18:27.480 there's also a bunch of kids who have become eighteen 2:18:27.640 --> 2:18:31.040 since the last election and probably like him because of 2:18:31.160 --> 2:18:34.560 their parents or whatever their values. Yes, but I heard 2:18:34.800 --> 2:18:38.600 a lot of gen Z like are actually the other way, 2:18:38.720 --> 2:18:40.760 Like they've lost hope. They don't want to go anywhere, 2:18:40.800 --> 2:18:42.280 they don't do anything, they don't want to vote, they 2:18:42.320 --> 2:18:45.280 don't trust anyone, and that's that. Like, I think gen 2:18:45.400 --> 2:18:48.160 Z is quite splintered because I think of the children 2:18:48.240 --> 2:18:50.680 that are like fighting for gun control and out there 2:18:50.840 --> 2:18:53.520 and like, yeah, care about the environment, Like I that 2:18:53.760 --> 2:18:55.960 is what my idea of gen Z is, But I 2:18:56.040 --> 2:18:57.640 guess it's not. 2:18:58.280 --> 2:19:01.039 Yeah, who knows. I hope they vote. 2:19:01.040 --> 2:19:03.440 We gotta get we gotta We're gonna be postcarding for 2:19:03.560 --> 2:19:06.039 gen Z. We're gonna be like sending gen Z postcards 2:19:06.080 --> 2:19:08.080 out being like please get out of bed, put down 2:19:08.160 --> 2:19:11.959 TikTok and go vote, please please please please. I mean 2:19:12.080 --> 2:19:15.720 TikTok might be fully banned me. I mean, let's talk 2:19:15.720 --> 2:19:20.920 about that next week. For now, let's get into our 2:19:21.040 --> 2:19:23.360 What would Sister Peg Do? 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